All New Endings - Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance

Both new Law and Chaos endings in the Canon of Vengeance route in Shin Megami Tensei V: Vengeance
00:00:00 Fallen Abdiel & Dazai Boss Fight
00:13:35 Going to the throne
Law Route
00:20:12 Law Tiamat Boss Fight
00:43:19 Law Tehom Boss Fight
01:03:02 Law Lucifer Boss Fight
01:16:24 Law Credits
01:23:24 Law After Credits scene
Chaos Route
01:24:37 Chaos Tiamat Boss Fight
01:43:42 Chaos Mastema Boss Fight
01:59:45 Chaos Lucifer Boss Fight
02:14:00 Chaos Credits
02:19:58 Chaos After Credits scene
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[@ddangho914]

Tehom gets a super epic intro cutscene with atmospheric music fighting the incarnation of the abyss while Mastema is basically just "DAMN YOU MEDDLING KIDS!"

[@zaqareemalcolm]

one of his attacks is him seething

[@hiroshi7025]

@@zaqareemalcolm Mansemen SEETHING LIKE FRFR

[@dzigayu4944]

Classic Mastema, I'd have no other way.

[@benaressu]

Probably the reason theres no new neutral ending is cuz the og had 2 neutral endings vs 1 for other two, so they made 1 new ending for them in re-release, so that all 3 routes had equal amount of endings i guess

[@therealjaystone2344]

The true ending was the better ending for the chaos ending but with a future

[@heptra6737]

Nah its because Atlus will re-re-release this game and add the new neutral waifu

[@technicallythecenteroftheu1349]

Tbh I'm glad. Golden endings are the bane of SMT. They're an easy out the devs give so the player doesn't have to make any hard choices.

[@azure4622]

​@@technicallythecenteroftheu1349 i also don't like golden endings but these two are just meh, i still prefer regular neutral narratively. And honestly i thought I'd get a chance to destroy the throne myself

[@Zerorenren4761]

"Somehow Mastema controls Tiamat".

[@Doctor7175]

Yeah it was such bullshit. Yoko had one job and Mastema did it better then her while doing cool poses lmao

[@BlackfangDragon]

They actually explain what Mastemas deal is if you do the Satan superboss! He works for Mandala itself, and even grabs a fragment of True Neutral Lucifer to summon Satan(along with a copy of himself and a fragment of Samael as sacrifices).

[@anonymousgamer5771]

It's kind of disappointing you don't get to fight the opposite goddess of the path you're on (Yoko for Law; Tao for Chaos)

[@squirtyharry]

They probably considered tao instead of mastema but then realized it was probably against her nature to fight you

[@glooben6960]

I totally agree! Lucifer felt super out of place in the new route and I would've loved something like the Isabeau fight in SMT 4 where you fight the opposite goddess.

[@LowtusMob]

Law ending is just the SMT5V gang having a wholesome end-of-highschool moment with eachother as old Tao watches, while the Chaos ending is just Nahobino handholding Yuko 💀

[@leos8813]

Handholding after they basically killed everyone ☠. As much as the writers try to put a negative connotation on the Law ending, the Chaos ending is far worse.

[@thestarfromyugioh]

@@LowtusMob "h*ndh*lding" I know this is a 17+ game, but that was taking "sexual themes" too far

[@Flametric]

Watched this video after beating the True Chaos Ending. It's very interesting that we have two companions, Tao and Yoko, as a way to show different perspectives with how they want to shape the world. Despite their different beliefs, they at least share very common goals that are for the best of humanity: 1. They both want to end suffering in any shape or form, especially any issues that they see may be the cause of them 2. They also wanted to promote any gestures of true freedom and great paradise, especially including to any future worlds that may come after. The only real difference here is that Tao wanted to use the Mandala system to see the goodness to her friends while Yoko straight up destroyed it. No matter the difference, what they wanted to achieve was essentially the same. Both endings go beyond than the concept of Law and Chaos that they are mushed into what is essentially two different Neutral endings. The game doesn't force the flaws of both Law and Chaos into our mouth, nor does it say that the neutral route is the correct ending like in the Canon of Creation. Instead, it brings us to think about what side we feel is the right course of action. In the end, there is no objectively correct action to shape the world.

[@safruddinaly5822]

Agreed what people's failed to see is as the creator said the game is about one universe in multiverse, many people's just connect everything to nocturne or p5 and saying all about good and bad

[@CereDulce37]

​@@safruddinaly5822 Exactly

[@purboyoananda]

Especially if you do side quests while Yoko and Tao are still in the party. Every time you finish a specific SQ with a choice in it usually Tao and Yoko will start a conversation where they both debate about the choice Nahobino made, one of them will disagree but Tao and Yoko understand each other's view as far I can see during my playthrough I never see like Yoko told Tao "oh no that delusional there no way your way could do that" or vice versa. In a way both endings are neutral route we just need to know which one not gonna bite us In the ass if it already happens. so basically Tao believe that you still can fix something that is already broken while Yoko prefer to redo all of it with a much more better update

[@purboyoananda]

Ah yes Chaos: simping for yoko Law: simping for tao True neutral: is nahobino simping nahobino bro really went to another multiverse just to meet himself truly a femboy move

[@quinx9975]

its really weird to me that tao still leaves you here. even yoko stays in your party lmao

[@Condor2481]

I think this is because the Panagia /Goddess of Creation's function is to "control the energy" of the Nahobino and the Throne, ensuring it recreates the universe instead of destroying it. Tao wants to re-birth the world, so she fulfills that function. Yoko wants the world destroyed, so she doesn't fulfill that part of her duty.

[@squirtyharry]

I still haven't finished the gamebwith tao in my party cause I got neutral in the og and primordial chaos in this

[@megabeynic2659]

I love how in the thumbnail Kei looks scared of seeing a version of him with shining yellow eyes 😂

[@orrthehunter]

Chaos ending is just the "I am not maidenless" ending

[@xerontokyo]

For context here are the scenario writers of this game you have the two original writers of original SMT V, Yoh Haduki and Tatsuya Watanabe, there are 3 new ones but younger staff at Atlus, Yuki Ueno he did previously as Game System Planner in Apocalypse, Map Planner in original SMT V and now this next is Haruna Sato a woman graduated from the Department of International Politics and Economics, Faculty of Political Science and Economics, joined at Atlus in 2020 and she did scenario writer and Safehouse Planner in Soul Hackers 2 and lastly is Kazuya Yotsuzuka, Graudated from the Faculty of Letters, Department of Psychology and Sociology, joined at Atlus in 2018 and he did Event Planner in TMS FE Encore and Request & NPC Planner and Demon Talk Planner in Soul Hackers 2.

[@arktis_XII]

Let's hope they do not return for VI

[@xerontokyo]

​@@arktis_XIIEh I doubt given they are part of the Creative 1st Production Department/Team Maniax and most likely stay working on game planning for SMT, Etrian Odyssey, Megami Tensei spinoffs and other IPs

[@arktis_XII]

@@xerontokyo Unfortunate.

[@xerontokyo]

@@arktis_XII I mean it is what it is scenario planners join Atlus and depends on what between the 3 studios they wanna join it.

[@pengudiegu]

damn they ain’t work on any good games that’s crazy😭

[@asuratakehaya6884]

The ending icons look like a bull horns and a snake's eye

[@user-jb1ex2rn6t]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus

[@chobaka]

So looking back and forth between the two endings this is definitely post nocturne..but the same themes of it still somewhat exist in 5.

[@codysvlogdays]

What do you mean post nocturne, I thought the games weren't connected?

[@chobaka]

@@codysvlogdays no its connected they mentioned stuff like magutsuhi and the some of the stuff that happened 18 years ago there is also the fiends themselves to consider...and the conception..

[@codysvlogdays]

@@chobaka that's confusing though because of the games having multiple endings. Is it like a multibranch timeline?

[@chobaka]

@@codysvlogdays basically it is smt has a massive timeline and within 18 years ago tokyo died you also must consider the shekinah glory....basically if that fades welll...

[@sorenduscai]

The Amala network basically functions like marvel multiverse. Every ending of every game has lead to another in the franchise in some form or fashion. Even persona has its connections. This game is the most direct in recent years in implication though as the True Demon Ending of Nocturne is what caused the false Tokyo and challenges of this world.

[@nameless8216]

Not gonna lie, I was hoping for a more cooler neutral ending and a better Lucifer.

[@sainttan]

Maybe there is a Neutral Ending, and nobody has unlocked it yet. Must be some hard prerequisites.

[@nameless8216]

@@sainttan really hope so.

[@Yunie259]

@@sainttanBad news for you, there is no secret Neutral ending at all…

[@centurionzo1228]

​@@sainttanThere's probably none, There's no trophy for it, like these 2 endings

[@centurionzo1228]

I was hoping for a better Lucifer, Lucifer in the new route is just kinda there But I'm okay with no neutral, for so long Neutral kinda became the "good" and more complete ending, making Chaos and especially Law, inferior endings Though I don't know how to feel about the new endings

[@greenflame2425]

I understand why they didn't make a new neutral ending, but it'd be really cool if they did in the style of SMT 4 and made it hard to get, or locked it behind beating Satan so no matter what the first play through you must get one of these ones, as they both give a pretty good ending narratively, It just kinda feels off without any neutral ending

[@centurionzo1228]

I don't think so, in fact I kinda dislike how Neutral is always the special one

[@TehLightraven]

Atlus has been jerking off neutral since SMT 4. I'm glad Law and Chaos are getting the spotlight finally.

[@technicallythecenteroftheu1349]

Nah fuck that. The neutral ending ruined smt4 and it would have ruined Vengeance. There is no obviously better golden ending which invalidates the entire debate the story has spent building up. There is no true ending. Choose.

[@ephemeralbro]

I'm tired of the generic good ending neutral. IV and Apocalypse made it way too good in comparison to law and chaos. Say what you will about SJR and vanilla V but going neutral wasn't just the easy no brainier choice, they had consequences. Considering V already had 2 neutral endings, I'm fine with CoV only having law and chaos

[@ariatheworld9430]

so how do i get the ending where i recreate the world to one where tao and yoko aren't doomed yuri and can kiss and nahobino says "this truly was our vengeance" at the end

[@TheKageichi]

So there's no third ending like in the original huh? I was expecting that

[@KaiboStudios]

I was sorta hoping there'd be an ending where you'd see Demons, Angels, and Humans living with each other peacefully. Especially since you could bond with your demons.

[@athrunmoza8996]

We play SMT game , my friend. We dont need friends. If you would like. Play SMT IV Apocalypse Peace ending. That s what you wish for😂

[@thomashoward5450]

Didn't they say they made three endings for Vengeance?

[@jokermorningstar5816]

technically there sould be a variation of both new endings after you defeated satan

[@joshgauve9044]

Never the case, Devs never said there was a secret ending. kzbin.infoP4pcUK6_-dg?si=H7xHKZBwwR_nrOg- (10:13) They always confirmed from the start that there are only two new endings.

[@jokermorningstar5816]

isnt the new chaos ending basically achieving what lucifer tried to do in true neutral ending?

[@user-ok4ki3jv9z]

オリジナルよりはマシになったが、それでもあまり良くなっていないように思う 自分が求めるメガテンは4やSJのようなシナリオ重視のメガテンだと気づいた

[@azure4622]

Agreed

[@chaosuniverse8005]

So bad we don't get Warth Marakumo Tempest.

[@Yggdrasill299792]

Okay I don't want to step on anybodies toes but...chaos route kinda sucks like boss wise. I don't understand why we don't fight Goko or like an order based incarnation, like Mastema is maybe a good secret boss but really "pre-final boss" not much. He also keeps slapping himself with his light attacks. Meanwhile, Tehom is a legit way more interesting fight and being. It also is just unclear, goes picking the chaos route literally also destroy universes which removed themselves from the mandala system? Or does it literally destroy all? Which kinda ignores the idea of being stuck in a loop and that gameplay wise you can loop anyway. But I mean just super attacks and animation wise...it feels more rewarding to play law route here. Unlike the original law route.

[@bearerofbadnews1375]

Only chaos and law no neutral ending that’s a bold choice.

[@SDCrusader]

No harem neutral route? Sad

[@AL-np1im]

We're not asking the real questions why are we letting high schoolers decide the fate of the entire universe. They may be deities but they have mindset of effing children

[@BlackfangDragon]

Because that’s what the Mandala System decided.

[@andytan2960]

Well, all the other adults are: 1. dead 2. not ready to take on world responsibilities such as ruling the world

[@squirtyharry]

I don't think the gods have been level headed in any pantheon ever 😭

[@thestarfromyugioh]

@@andytan2960 3. demons with their own agenda 4. demons who just follow their highschool partners

[@thestarfromyugioh]

@@AL-np1im (OP) Always remember, many teenagers are more capable than they appear!

[@knock090]

They didn't even bother with trying to buff lucifer, he ends up being easier than Zeus, the two bosses before him, and Dagda how in the hell do you make a boss so weak this is inexcusable 😮‍💨

[@JRPGLOVER]

I don't get it. Yoko shows up at the throne, claiming to be "guiding" Tiamat. Chaos-aligned Nahobino chooses Yoko,which makes, for whatever reason, Mastema steal control of Tiamat and use it against Nahobino and Yoko? Also, after the Tiamat fight, Tsukuyomi uses his power to "heal" Tao/Yoko, but if he had this power all along, why didn't he chose to heal the Yuzuru, whom he so cherished?

[@FazPersona]

For the last part, it’s probably because Tao/Yoko were near death. Atsuta was most likely already gone by the time they decided to fuse

[@BlackfangDragon]

Yeah Faz is right. By the time he woke up Yuzuru had been dead, while the Goddesses were still alive despite the injuries much like what we saw with Yakumo earlier in the story(who stabbed Nuwa to heal himself).

[@dancros9387]

these endings remind if Strange journey redux New Law and New Chaos Endings

[@kingkobra4910]

The post Tiamat chaos fight feels phoned in vs law. glad I got law on my blind play through

[@squirtyharry]

Yeah after seeing what law got vs the mastema fight there's a stark difference. But mastema is a fan favorite demon so it's kind of fanservice

[@neight008]

What demons with each ending unlock?

[@nightcorewb4949]

So, no new ending with Nuwa and Yakumo?

[@rezkyterence1696]

Spoiler alert! . . . . . No, Nuwa died protecting Yakumo during Tiamat awakening. With Nuwa gone, he lost the right to claim the throne as a nahobino. So he decided to treasure his life by living in the surface.

[@azure4622]

​@@rezkyterence1696 he dies in base game too but we still get to choose their ideals, just feels kinda lame to me that the nahobino doesn't make his own choices at the end. (I know it's influenced through out the game by you but still)

[@leos8813]

Fighting these guys with an under-leveled crew was challenging.

[@kohakusora7474]

what do all you think is the better ending? Like is truly the right thing to do?

[@athrunmoza8996]

What ? Thats it? No neutral ending?😢

[@user-wz4lq5oc4y]

What is the exclusive demon in each route 😂 gotta play 6 times for 100% compendium??

[@zylorixx810]

IKR its pretty BS you can get like 80 or 90% of the compendium in one Playthrough but have to play 3 more times for the last 10% Theres Innana and Belial exclusive to chaos Maria and Michael exclusive to law And Danu for Neutral Fortunately you get Mastema and Lucfier automatically after beating vengence route

[@_Eli_-xl7fg]

Is there an ending where we fight all the bosses

[@saltlessguy8707]

I must ask, which is harder. Tehom or Mastema

[@YellowJacketNinja375]

It took me like, 3 or 4 tries to beat Tiamat and then I beat Mastema first try so it's probably not him

[@nr2676]

Mastema is depends on RNG, when he is under 30% HP he can start spam Freikugel or God's Lament and wipe your whole team by 5x Allmighty Attacks, like Mot in SMT III Nocturne with Beast Eye. Tehom is puzzle boss fight, not hard but if you spam attacks without using a brain he probably kill you by his special move. Tiamat is probably harder than Mastema and Tehom, because she heals himself and use verietry of magic attacks, so you can't block everything.

[@manuelramos9904]

Are you going to try to beat it in Godborn mode next?

[@psychotenshi8084]

Seeing as how he has Lucifer i think he already did

[@digitaIdevil]

Does anyone had a choice when you enter realm of Lucifer? It asks something about mighty enemy or very mighty enemy. I played on hard and game given me this choice, but in this video there is not. Is that because of difficulty or what?

[@azure4622]

It lets you chose the 1 phase lucifer or the 3 phase lucifer and it's not tied to difficulty, i got the choice to but i switched to casual because i was fucking tired after reaching their on hard and just wanted to end the game, especially because i ended up law allinged when i would have preferred chaos.

[@davidebuiese8035]

In Law I don't understand why they wear different school uniforms with the only common element being those horrible floral designs, Yoko is the only one who has nothing to do with school.. In Chaos it seems like a biblical reference, the tree of knowledge, the serpent (of Lillith), Adam and Eve if the two boys had both been naked while walking from their backs or covered by the light

[@safruddinaly5822]

Yes it represents both the trees of universe and the tress in biblical

[@devlyell3705]

Is there no neutral ending to this?

[@centurionzo1228]

No, only Law and Chaos

[@jonathangoodwin5609]

So either go evil and destroy the world, or become nothing more than humanity's pet wish granted with no life, future or freedom of your own. Unless he can just go about his life as a normal human and just passively grant their wishes in the background?

[@quinx9975]

are you still only able to register the panagias in the compendium and not summon them?

[@FazPersona]

yes! I got the option to when starting a new cycle

[@quinx9975]

@@FazPersona oh nice, they aren't story locked anymore lmao. are you only able to summon their base version, or whatever you registered to the compendium like with other demons?

[@FazPersona]

nah they're guest characters, so those won't be summonable just their panagia version

[@quinx9975]

@@FazPersona oh when i said base version i meant like, the original version of them you can view in the compendium (i.e. panagia tao starting at lv60). or can you summon them at a higher level if that's what you registered in the compendium, like with other demons?

[@FazPersona]

aha, my bad. Yes you can summon both the original version and the one you registred with new moves/higher lv

[@tomefilho3902]

Neutral when ??

[@ItsYourXLNC]

I chose all the top options throughout the game yet MC still took yoko's hand. What did I do wrong???

[@quanwashington]

Did you say "That's right" or "Yes." when Yoko is surprised at you being alive?

[@ItsYourXLNC]

@@quanwashington at the empyrean? I think it was the top option. Thats right

[@ggez3109]

So Atlus made the new law and chaos endings more appealing so no one said anything about the neutral ending.........

[@therealjaystone2344]

Which both aren’t good at all

[@ggez3109]

@@therealjaystone2344 they are better than the originals from the vanilla version.......nah its just that they are more enticing to get, more like a happy ending for mc in law o chaos style, but they lack the ugly aspects that usually come with choosing a monistic extreme as the philosophy behind the recreation of the world. I really wanted a new neutral ending to see what they could come up with.

[@therealjaystone2344]

@@ggez3109 the new law ending was more for Dr Maruki's vision to finally come to reality, not exactly how you want to find a good ending

[@ggez3109]

@@therealjaystone2344 yeah........but also it lacks more violence, the thing about law is opression and tiranny, in IV the law ending saw everyone in mikado ended up living "good" lives in their clasistic kingdom at the expense of the genocide of tokio in the underground, none of that is seen in these new endings

[@missingname5779]

There was a longer narration in the datamine. It's not like Maruki's world at all because it's meant to be a world that accepts everyone, which means that eventually people will start fighting because they want different things, but that you hope they eventually will learn to get along.

[@seitanicbeef]

(Spoilers ahead) I want to thank you for uploading these because it's a lot of hard work. I also have to thank you for solidifying my decision for not spending $60 again on this re-release. I really wanted to like the game however there is a few aspects that outweigh the positives for me. First some positives, I really like how Tao's character was way way better than it was in Vanilla. Atsuta dying was also a nice touch too after I was rooting for him but in classic SMT fashion, he got unlucky. This is one of the few good Law routes too, which is great since this is SMT. Now the negatives: I was really hoping we had more plot points with Sahori considering it's about Vengence but they killed her off anyways Miyazu is still not too relevant except as a plot device then she disappears Dazai's heel turn is worse here because it's more out of nowhere and extreme than in Vanilla Nuwa was killed off for shock, then it was copped out then she died off screen anyways. Speaking of which, too many important moments such as Nuwa's death and Yoko's transformation is off screen, now I would overlook this had this been a route specific thing, but no, Yoko's transformation happens offscreen in the Chaos ending too and there is no neutral ending that shows Nuwa dying. It seemed to me that Law was supposed to be the Canon route but they went "Oh, right, we forgot about Yoko" then added a Chaos route. Somehow Mastema took control of Tiamat? It wasn't even shown how he did it, we just had to trust he always had the power to do that. If so then, why not control them in the first place when they were the Qadishtu? Nothing made sense. It was appealing to fanservice more than plot imo. And this is for both in terms of design and story. The Qadishtu's designs were imo is a bit too gratuitous and Mastema didn't have as much of an impact as he did in Strange Journey. Lilith is one of my fave demons. From SMT I she was the anti-heroine and in SMT II, Kaneko based Hiroko off of Lilith. In this one she was not... well written... and somehow we went to a Mesopotamian God? I don't even know where to start with that. Like yeah, the Qadishtu were Babylonian but the members were Abrahamic. I get Persona awakenings can cross mythos, but this isn't Persona. It feels to me they just added fan favorite demons to please the older SMT fans and tbh, I'm not really happy that I'm being pandered to like this. Aogami comes back. It really killed the impact of his death scene. In my opinion, this is one of the worst Chaos endings I've seen in SMT ever too, how did they mess up Chaos in SMT? I really wanted to like this game since it's a mainline SMT game and they even collabed with one of my fave bands that I loved since childhood. Had they collabed with any other SMT game I would've lost my mind. This hurts to say but, in my opinion, I don't think it's worth it to re-buy the game. I still have my collector's edition of Vanilla on the shelf and I don't think it's a good investment for me to buy the Atlus Remake 2.0 version again. Thank you for these videos. I really appreciate it a lot. Keep up the great work!

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

I didn’t mind liliths girl boss posse being too provocative they are called sacred prostitutes after all

[@therealjaystone2344]

SMTVV sorta redeemed itself but not really at the same time. The story is still nothing special but better than the vanilla. Character development is still absent and the two new routes aren’t good at all.

[@AzureMoebius22]

It's sounding to me like Vengeance traded the base game's jars of piss for another set of jars of piss. Maybe Atlus will rehash and patch Vengeance to better fit SMT's usual fair.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

The game is more about Tao and Yoko then anything else which is odd cause it feels like they should have advertised them more then the quadistu

[@solo8324]

To only answer the question regarding the Qadistu: The come from Old Hebrew folk tradition, but serve Babylonian interests as ATLUS believes they all originated from the Babylonian Captivity. Lilith, for instance, is an Akkadian loanword - "Lilitu" - and the Babylonian Lilitu does the same things Lilith does in Old Hebrew folklore. Most of these figures and folklores were adopted during that period of intermingling. Vengeance wanted to set up a tale told by the perspective of the losers of the Chaoskampf, but they seem have decided, at some point mid-development, to abandon that plotline altogether. They bring in the Horned God, apparently a name for Marduk (it isn't, and it definitely isn't the God of Law, but then there's no real "target" to take revenge on...), but then reference how Susano-o is a descendant of Marduk (as both are storm gods who kill giant snakes, ATLUS sees reason enough to say that Susano-o is from the Middle East). ATLUS likes to blend mythologies pretty often, but this is by far the most literal version of it. At least the different versions of Satan can be chalked up to late Protestant inventions and folklores, and Japan understands most of Christianity through a modern, Protestant/Shinto blended lens.

[@ballzero5456]

Netural...!!!?

[@TheBioshock596]

A little disappointing that there is no route to a neutral ending in Vengeance canon.

[@SageBladeG]

my Nahobino is a straight male and giga chad

[@user-fh2yg5mz9c]

Pls show tehom lore

[@nr2676]

It's from jewish mythology (Zohar). Tehom means in Hebrew ,,VOID''.

[@BassDrummer96]

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I'm really glad they decided not to include a new neutral ending. And I like how they have carried out the concepts of "Law" and "Chaos" in this game. I hated the original's neutral endings, felt like pointless genocide. Plus, I also like that, in general, it ends with the fact that the neutral ending has to be the "True" one in the saga, leaving the others as "bad endings" or authentic abominations like in SMTIV.

[@jaffinator2166]

What decides the ending?

[@FazPersona]

The dialogue choices you picked Basically, always pick the top dialogue option for Law Bottom dialogue options for Chaos

[@SuperDanMan11100]

@@FazPersona So, it isn't even a matter of deciding which ending you want in vanilla. It gets determined based on what dialogue options you choose throughout the game.

[@therealjaystone2344]

@@SuperDanMan11100it doesn’t change things at all once you start to pick who to be on your side at the end of the game

[@JRPGLOVER]

@@SuperDanMan11100 it's kinda the norm in the series. Vanilla 5 was out of the norm by giving you option to choose law ending even if you was chaos-alignment, which didn't make any sense (funny enough, the game kinda punishes you for it too, since you can't get the law ending miracle if you're chaos-alignment).

[@TheGameDomeGuy]

Awww man... The new endings still suck ass just like the vanilla ones

[@aisadal2521]

I hope the new endings were worth all that extra money and time lol, otherwise I'm gonna be disappointed lmao (and I guess relieved, since I didn't buy it)

[@therealjaystone2344]

Not even another neutral ending either. The only rumor saying the super boss being locked out of you play CoV first and not CoC for the true ending

[@Zerorenren4761]

The story as a whole is way better but it's nothing impressive, it's just a "good" story but nothing that is very interesting or that i think people will think about in long time, and with these endings that boil down to Law= Good and Chaos being stupid considering how good Law is there also won't be any discourse around the endings either. Honestly SMT Vengeance is pretty much what the OG story should've been from the start, but considering that you have to buy the game for 60$ to get a story that while it's better than the OG it's just average it ends up being kinda dissapointing, i think that it's more worth it waiting for a sale to play it if you have played the original. Mainline SMT was never very strong story wise, i think that the only outlier will be SMT IV for a long time.

[@Andy-sj4ip]

@@Zerorenren4761 I honestly don’t think that IV had a great story or anything to write home about either, things really started to fall apart for me the moment you enter the alternate Tokyos and all the endings are some of the worst in the entire series, I haven’t really seen all of what VV does with its plot or really watched this video I want to play it myself to judge it compared to previous entries, I really don’t see IV as a gold standard for mainline writing tbh. Tho I do Agree mainline almost never come close to its story telling potential in execution.

[@pengudiegu]

@@Andy-sj4ippeople just call IV the best smt game because it’s most people’s first smt game. Personally i’m more of a Nocturne and Strange Journey guy

[@ephemeralbro]

​@@pengudieguyeah the IV glazing is insane. SJ beats it pretty hard if we're going by mainline, and Devil Survivor and Digital Devil Saga are leagues better if you wanna include spinoffs. It's weird too cuz reading old threads, reception for IV was nowhere near as good as it is nowadays

[@rasdan1192]

Only two endings? lame.

[@PKFriender]

Thanks Faz for the uploads! I'm honestly kinda shocked at how poor the writing is. So much time and we get only 2 routes and no unique ending like the True Demon in Nocturne or the True Neutral in 4. Hell even Dagda's reasons in 4A were a refreshing twist on freeing demons, gods and humanity (more pagan belief). It legit feels like every character was cannibalised by Tao and Yoko, everything else sacrificed for fanservice. I'm never buying this but at least the new music slaps

[@JohnDoe-pg9oq]

The True Neutral Ending is the canon ending so these endings are pretty pointless anyway (Vengeance route isn’t even supposed to happen as confirmed by beginning dialogue when you choose your paths). V was a unique situation in that it had a lot of ties to Nocturne - True Demon Ending. VI will go in an entirely different direction based on V’s True Neutral Ending.

[@justinorper6298]

If you check the satan superboss for the game its explained that true neutral is a canonically a parallel timeline that happened prior to the events of the vengeance route so both routes creation and vengeance happen canonically in two separate universes both affecting the other one through their super bosses.

[@JohnDoe-pg9oq]

@@justinorper6298 I didn’t know that, thanks!

[@xerontokyo]

Another thing like Persona mainline SMT doesn't connect each other SMT VI would be another unique scenario what apocalypse well we will see that in 5-6 years

[@PrayingSeraph]

There's no such thing as canon in SMT. Its a multiverse, and that has been confirmed in numerous SMT games. For example, in the lore DLC for IVA, its confirmed that all endings of IV happened in their own universe. Its the same here. There is a universe where Nahobino sided with Dazai and Abdiel for example in the Canon of Creation.