All Of Christianity Hinges On This One Doctrine…

[@Esch-a-ton3]

This is for all the commenters who were wondering if this was blasphemous or where scripture supports this! Edit: 5:27 is supposed to read “anthrotheopany” 1. 2 Peter 1:4: “Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.” 2. John 10:34-35: Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside.” 3. Psalm 82:6: “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’” 4. 1 John 3:2: “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.” 5. Romans 8:29-30: “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” 6. 2 Corinthians 3:18: “And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.” 7. Ephesians 4:13: “Until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.”

[@HaleStorm49]

IN the LDS faith this is the doctrine of exaltation. The greatest promise made to man is that he literally the offspring of God...created in the image of God and that our purpose for being here is to see if we will pursue the course that allows Him to exalt us (God will not do so against our will) The primary difference is that terms like essence, nature, created vs uncreated etc were added later to prevent this doctrine from being taken to its logical conclusion - which is that we will literally become like God - as you've demonstrated above in the scriptures. The ambiguous language came in the later centuries and the entire doctrine is essentially rejected by modern christianity.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

It’s different in a few ways however, Catholics do not believe we will become Gods by essence, nor do they believe we will become Gods of our own planets. We will become gods emphasis on the little g because we will be joined up in Gods eternal action.

[@HaleStorm49]

@@Esch-a-ton3 Interesting. This brings up a couple more questions: 1) do you acknowledge that the scriptures you cited don't make any distinctions related to essence or Big/little g? 2) Were they the result of too much faith and knowledge or too little? 3) If you weren't Catholic would you still accept them?

[@Esch-a-ton3]

@@HaleStorm49 I’m gonna be honest this is extremely hard to keep up a conversation ( which I legitimately want to have) please dm me on my instagram whatistruth777

[@HaleStorm49]

@@Esch-a-ton3 appreciate the offer but KZbin is the only social app I have an account on. I'm planning on making a video soon on Orthodox members/apologists discussing Theosis...I'll tag you in it and hopefully get your feedback.

[@rmglabog]

You may not agree with everything said, but this is what Christians should be talking about. Not prosperity gospel, not tele evangelists asking tithes, not about popes and other institutions claiming "authority" over others. Whereas, we are to become god-like or Christ ourselves.

[@WhiteWolf22303]

Great video. So it sounds like to sum everything up is that Theosis is the process of godliness, where one imitates Christ, not in essence, but in will & piety, where God grants divine grace through faith (which is defined as living a faithful sacramental life, where one continually denies himself & natural desires, generally done by fasting & penance, and participants in the sacraments, generally baptism & Holy Communion).

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Correct! By changing our will to be unified with God with get caught up in his eternal action. What God is by essence, we become through grace!

[@WhiteWolf22303]

@@Esch-a-ton3 I would also imagine this is where we get the terms godly & godliness

[@whitebeans7292]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@TwisterTornado Jesus indicated we were to fast *after* his Ascension into heaven. Fasting is an integral part of the Christian life, it is just something that Jesus did more privately: “ *When* you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites. They neglect their appearance, so that they may appear to others to be fasting. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward. But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, so that you may not appear to others to be fasting, except to your Father who is hidden. And your Father who sees what is hidden will repay you.” (Matthew 6:16-18) AND Jesus answered them, “Can the wedding guests mourn as long as the bridegroom is with them? The days will come when the bridegroom is taken away from them, and then they will fast.” (Matthew 9:15) The Christian life is about suffering, which centers around the Cross. The Cross is non-negotiable to be a Christian: Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me will find it.” (Matthew 16:24)

[@whitebeans7292]

⁠​⁠@@TwisterTornado Additionally, if you do not do works, you will not be saved. “I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. *The dead were judged according to what they had done* as recorded in the books.” (Rev 20:15) Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who *does the will of my Father* who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21)

[@whitebeans7292]

@@TwisterTornado You get censored if you say certain words, I get censored too. A lot of times I have to rewrite my comments so they don’t get censored. Swear words, stuff about particular ethnic groups (like the ones who Jesus was part of), and stuff about evil angels will be censored.

[@realliftafromthesva]

Finally someone who is not afraid of theosis.

[@marcokite]

I hope one day you come to Holy Orthodoxy, you'd love it, you're certainly inspired by it! ☦

[@Esch-a-ton3]

I pray I won’t have to and the church will be reunited in the fullness of its beauty. Much ❤️

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Edits: @ 5:37 it is supposed to read, “anthro-theophany”

[@TheosisPeriod]

To be clear, we Christians do not believe that we can truly become God. God is perfect and uncreated. We can only become "lowercase g" gods. This is using the word "god" in an archaic sense of a powerful spiritual being. We may become gods only by trying to be like God through theosis.

[@hap1678]

I am proud to be Catholic! 🇻🇦✝️ I absolutely love talking about Theosis and the Beatific vision!!

[@Esch-a-ton3]

You and me both!

[@ochem123]

The Catholic Church teaches that pride is a sin. Be humble and confident; never proud. ❤

[@hap1678]

@ochem123 Gal 6:14: But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

[@ryanesau8147]

The Catholic Church makes Mary deity…practices pagan cannibalism and gives no assurance of salvation by keeping people bound in sin… ie people are out of Gods favour until they go to confession and the priest declares you clean.

[@marcokite]

I am proud to be Orthodox! I absolutely love talking about Theosis and the Beatific vision!! very Orthodox!!

[@sengan2475]

Fantastic video

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Glad you enjoyed!

[@StClare_]

In the context of Christian mysticism, absolutely theosis (or divinization in the Western churches) is of paramount importance. Many Christians definitely don't see it that way, however. Then again, mysticism has always been part of the inner dimension of Christianity (and religion in general), and that's something the vast majority of Christians frankly are ignorant of or simply don't concern themselves with. Which is fine, I feel-I see no reason to insist upon a person viewing their relationship to God in a specific way. You don't have to be a mystic to find meaning in your faith.

[@allycatnaranjo8960]

The word mysticism has been ruined by other religions.

[@StClare_]

@allycatnaranjo8960 I don't necessarily agree with that. While the English word itself was probably originally applied to Christian practices, and perhaps Jewish and Gnostic ones, the fundamental basis of Christian mysticism in a direct experience of and spiritual transformation by the Absolute Reality is essentially something shared by a number of religious traditions in their own unique expressions of consciousness-transforming spirituality.

[@allycatnaranjo8960]

@@StClare_ I see and agree. What I’m trying to say is a lot of people call themselves “mystics” and stuff and Protestants would look at Orthodoxy and think of it as “evil”

[@StClare_]

@allycatnaranjo8960 Ah, I see. I agree with that. There's definitely a kind misappropriation of the word and a misunderstanding of what it indicates and, even when it is applied correctly, there are plenty of people who would call mysticism heretical. Which is unfortunate, IMO.

[@allycatnaranjo8960]

@@StClare_ Truly.

[@VladTepesh409]

2Ch 7:14 - Then if *my people* who are called by *my name* will *humble themselves* and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their land. Mat 23:12 - But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who *humble themselves* will be exalted. Psa 8:1-9 - [[To the chief Musician upon Gittith, A Psalm of David.]] O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings hast thou ordained strength because of thine enemies, that thou mightest still the enemy and the avenger. When I consider thy heavens, the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars, which thou hast ordained; *What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?* *For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.* *Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:* *All sheep and oxen, yea, and the beasts of the field;* *The fowl of the air, and the fish of the sea, and whatsoever passeth through the paths of the seas.* O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! Gen 1:1-31 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day. And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good. And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the third day. And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day. And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven. And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth. And the evening and the morning were the fifth day. And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so. And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good. And *God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.* *So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;* male and female created he them. And *God blessed them,* and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and *have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.* And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so. And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. Gen 24:11 And he made his camels to *kneel down* without the city by a well of water at the time of the evening, even the time that women go out to draw water. "Blessed, to kneel down"- barak www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/h1288/kjv/wlc/0-1/ 2Ch 33:12 - And when he was in affliction, he besought the LORD his God, and *humbled himself* greatly before the God of his fathers, Phl 2:2 - Fulfil ye *my joy,* that ye *be likeminded,* having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind. Phl 2:5 - Let *this mind* be in you, *which was also in Christ Jesus:* Phl 2:6 - Who, being in the *form of God,* thought it *not robbery to be equal with God:* Phl 2:8 - And being found in fashion as a man, he *humbled himself,* and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Bless you, brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@frontgamet.v1892]

Christ is the truth and the way! He healed me many times and saved my grandpa! I was a big believer in the "Universe" but he showed me.. Now I know. This 'man' Jesus was an ethical genius at a time we're nobody was teaching such pure words. He became such a relevant person that even we today are speaking about him because he is in fact God in human form. No human could have done such an impact around the globe and even making the crucifixion cross from the Romans, which was a symbol of fear and death into a symbol of hope and his word. No human could have forgiven those people who killed him even though he lived a perfect life.. The feeling of anger and vengeance would overcome anybody, especially at that time. But he said: "Forgive them father" Did you know that within our DNA we have a certain structure that repeats.. That holds the DNA together.. This structure only appears after 10 nucleic acids have been laid down.. Then every 5, then every 6 and then every 5 again. So the repeating numbers are 10,5,6,5 and they never ever change in anybody. The name for God YHWH has the same numerical value. Yud - 10 Hei - 5 Vav - 6 Hei - 5 Every artist signs his creation. You take the Hebrew name of God and place it on its side you get an image of a human being. God is beyond amazing!

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Extremely interesting stuff! Beautiful!

[@allycatnaranjo8960]

We won’t be God in the sense that you all think, we won’t be equal to God in power and in knowledge but I think we will be with Jesus and can pray for our brothers and sisters there. We will be “married” to God in a way. That’s why Jesus calls us His bride.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

I totally agree with the part on being the bride of Christ! However, there a couple Scripture verses that come to mind. 1 Corinthians 13:12, where Paul writes: “For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.” This seems like he's saying that we will know God completely and to know God completely is to know everything completely because God is the source of everything. And also, 1 John 3:2, which states: “Beloved, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, because we shall see him as he is.” But to be married to God is to be completely United to Him, and to be completely United to Him is to want exactly what he wants. That being said, if we are like him, we will have his power but with his power we will do exactly what he does because there's no separation between what He wants and what we want. So, we will have his power, not on our own but as a gift and we will do with it exactly what he does because we unified with Him.

[@allycatnaranjo8960]

@@Esch-a-ton3 I see. Is this talking about after judgement or?

[@Esch-a-ton3]

@@allycatnaranjo8960 ya, id assume after the judgment, because John is saying God has not been revealed in this way yet.

[@allycatnaranjo8960]

@@Esch-a-ton3 I see. During the 1000 year reign?

[@brucebarber4104]

@@allycatnaranjo8960 , the 1,000-year reign is the time between the Ascension and the return of Christ. We are in it now. Also, we will share in the Divine nature, but we will not be omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient.

[@Orthodocks]

This is the Way that Christ talks about. The world is collapsing into a pre-hellish state because of man’s pursuit to become God through human fallen means, building a technological Tower of Babel that spires higher and higher into the soaring sky. The apple of God’s eye, that is us, in Christ, are able to become gods by grace. Rather than taking painkillers, God’s grace strengthens us to tolerate any pain and suffering that He sends our way, instead of creating a virtual reality through technology and screens, we grow closer and closer to reality, truth beyond the 2/3/ or 4D. We try to become gods with a small g through limited concepts that we perceive to be supreme, but in actuality these things are lacking what we truly need, that’s Christ, through the sacraments, through the One, Holy, Apostolic Church of Eastern Orthodoxy. God bless our triumphant, glorified Orthodox Christians, and us, the Church Militant, still warring on earth! Lord have mercy on us all!

[@1980riley]

Amazing video, can you do a video on the differences and similarities of Catholicism and Orthodoxy?

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Thank you! Yes, actually planning something along those lines!

[@marcokite]

@@Esch-a-ton3 - come home to Holy Orthodoxy brother!

[@omen4186]

This comment section proves that society has gotten through to people about truth being subjective.

[@TheScholarlyBaptist]

Great video I’m definitely subscribing

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Very glad you enjoyed!

[@fabiobighetti4594]

"Divinity became man, so that men may become divine"* I don't get why most people mess up this quote from Athanasius. That considered, great video bro.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Which translation is that from? I've never come across is. I don't understand at first glance how it's any different from “God became man…” And glad you enjoyed it!

[@fabiobighetti4594]

@@Esch-a-ton3 The word "θεοποιηθωμεν" means "that we be deified", so it's better to translate to "become divine" instead of "become God" or "become gods". The word in greek has a tone of something taking participation in divinity, not to fully become something like "man may become God" sounds (even though I know it doesn't mean it like that).

[@stevenupham839]

What loving Father would not want his children to grow up to become like himself? Many of us settle with the idea that Christ saved us and don’t consider what exactly that allows us to become. The atonement was so much more than freeing us from hell, it was about giving us the ability to literally become like Christ and our Heavenly Father

[@realliftafromthesva]

I can imagine the Kingdom of heaven, I’ll be tending to pure beer, drinking with my pawpaw and papa and seeing the perfection of Christ. Standing with them sharing in the perfect state of the wholesomeness of Gods plan the the second person of the trinity.

[@bongothom]

.as a born again evangelical, i thought our job was to go to heaven and sing eternal praises in order to boost the self esteem of God. Or, burning in hell if you don't. Maybe there's something to this Orthodoxy stuff.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

If God is complete and total love the greatest gift he can give would be the gift of himself!

[@redmoonfilms]

Correct. What is gravely overlooked, is that 'Son of Man', is not exclusively Jesus Christ, but the model in which humanity can reconciled to divinity. God became incarnate as Jesus Christ to give revelation of what that model is.

[@Arbognire]

This rings awfully similar sounding to the central heretical teaching of Gnosticism, though, wherein the Christ was rendered to be a mere model or example which we simply imitate rather than as a distinct external being which we must encounter & open up to in order that this separate Spirit come into our inner-being from the outside; indwelling us as the vessels we were created to be 🪔

[@redmoonfilms]

@@Arbognire He is both a model to imitate, and an impossible standard to match as a unique being. Nothing 'mere' about Him.

[@GulliverWalts]

Deification is truly the main topic teached by the mystics since Saint Paul the Apostle. I recommend reading the works of Dionysius (or Pseudo-Dionysius), Meister Eckhart and Saint John of the Cross. The sentence "God became man so man can become God" is real and really, really important. It must not be miscomprehended in a way that God (The One absolute principle of all things) is put in second term, rather that man truly, with all his soul and heart, recognises this One Absolute Principle above all things and let himself be "oblitereted" by the love of God. The original sin (both of Lucifer and the First Man) was trying to reach Life and Truth by the knowledge of the things of the world. The Redemption that Christ, truly God, gave us, was the possibility of perfect knowledge and love throught the Word to the Father.

[@thelonelysponge5029]

Yo, love the Kirby music 👍

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Glad you like it😂

[@Enzo_213]

Be perfect as the Father in Heaven is perfect

[@sandmancesar]

That was really good! Are you inspired in part by Jonathan’s Pageau symbolic work perspective by any chance? Reminds me a lot of what he talks about.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

I love Pageau!

[@rise4rumtheeashes987]

Thank you. Wow

[@Razamaniac]

Theosis means, to become Gods by grace through union with God. Exactly like Saint Efrai of Arizona said, exactly like steel and fire that they are not the same but inside the forge they become one and you cannot separate where is the fire and where is the steel, as if they became one, this is exactly what will happen to the Furure Kingdom, mankind and God will unite in perfect union and will become one. The only ones who are in this state of being is The Lord Himself by Nature and Hi8s Mother by Grace, we only gain a small part of this experience with the Holy Communion.

[@bigbonk3841]

Commenting before finishing video, but I think it's important to specify theosis it to draw closer to divinity through communion with God. The reason is I had a lot of friend take the gonstic bait and self edification.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Great point, not sure where you're at when you commdntedbut about half way through it gets into what your saying. I was trying very hard for people not to get the wrong idea.

[@Hedgehogz856]

I really like the editing in this video

[@donaldkeith139]

Very well done on this video, God bless 🙏

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@bobthebuildest6828]

Salvation must be understood in terms of union with Christ, it is abundantly clear through all of St. Paul. And as St Thomas draws on sonship is divinization. See what love the Father has given us, that we should be called sons of God!

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Couldn't agree more!

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

Paul openly admits to being the Man of Lawlessness in every possible way imaginable: "all things are lawful" 1 Corinthians 10:23 "Righteousness is apart from the law" Romans 3:21 "The Law is the Ministry of Death" 2 Corinthians 3:7 "The Law was nailed to the cross" Colossians 2:14 "Where there is no law there is no violation" Romans 4:15 "Sin is not imputed where there is no Law" Romans 5:13 "We are released from the Law" Romans 7:6 "The Law is a yoke of slavery" Galatians 5:1 "The Law is a curse and those who rely on it are cursed" Galatians 3:10 "I myself am not under the Law" 1 Corinthians 9:21 "Each man should be fully convinced in his own mind" Romans 14:5 "The Law has been abolished" Ephesians 2:15 "Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh." 1 Corinthians 5:5 "Crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!" -2 Corinthians 12:16 Paul is the Man of Lawlessness and he preaches the Anti-Christ. Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, has never blinded anyone. He does the literal exact polar opposite!! When "anti" means opposite, Paul literally preaches the Anti-Christ.

[@garyfrancis6193]

The beginning premise is incorrect.

[@sal-un9nv]

awesome new channel! awesome content !

[@toybokz]

“Christians” disagreeing is such a tell to how far our faith has fallen.

[@exploremore2438]

When have Christians ever agreed. Even when it was in its cult like state, they didn't agree with one another. They had different interpretations of this divine message, killed themselves over it, killed alleged heretics over it. There has never been an agreement and never will be

[@toybokz]

@@exploremore2438 true but they shouldn’t kill each other at least

[@gerardlabeouf6075]

yes interesting and insightful

[@DDFergy1]

God became a man to reveal God to men. To allow Himself to be sinned against by men to reveal the nature of men. To forgive those who recognize their sins against God and who desire to be changed to love God and others, asking to be in the Kingdom of God where this is the manner citizens relate to others. Once confessing their need and desire Christ gives these believing confessors the right to be citizens in His Kingdom.

[@rocketmanshawn]

More/any scripture would've been nice 😉 Just a mention of which passages the fathers had in mind would help a lot.

[@JoelBrown-h1j]

People pull stuff by the straps of their boots all the time i dont believe everything can be solved by one solution in my life being a Christian requires tons of scafices i dont see as important to me and therefore idnever maje this choice

[@Esch-a-ton3]

And that's definitely within your free will. But how do you know these sacrifices wouldn't be worth it?

[@dw5523]

Why would the second person of the God-head need to be glorified? Isn't he already the glory of God - spoke on as the "kavod", the physical manifestation of God's glory - in the Hebrew Bible?

[@MatthewFloor]

When man elevates himself higher than God.

[@JoshSketchShow]

I love Catholic theology set to Kirby music. Subbed lol.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

😎

[@elenalugos4477]

This is orthodox theology not Catholic

[@Esch-a-ton3]

@@elenalugos4477 actually it’s both. As Catholic is the universal Church and 90% of doctrinal writing on theosis was written before the schism meaning it belongs to both churchs. Not to mention every father mentioned in this video is a Latin Father.

[@elenalugos4477]

@@Esch-a-ton3 actually in XIII century Roman Catholic declared St.Gregory Palama heretic until this days regarding on this issue is much more on this topic

[@darius9329]

ok but what is the first song

[@jakefocht5715]

John 1:4 God's Word is the Inner Child. John 14:10 Not about Jesus. About God. John 14:26 Learn from God yourself. Col. 3:9-11 God's Kingdom. John 6:45 God's Goal

[@fourteenRUST]

God didn’t become man so man could become God. God became man so man could BE with God

[@who41683]

yea that phrasing is quite blasphemous

[@johnbreitmeier3268]

The whole concept is blasphemous.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

1. 2 Peter 1:4: “Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires.” 2. John 10:34-35: Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside.” 3. Psalm 82:6: “I said, ‘You are “gods”; you are all sons of the Most High.’” 4. 1 John 3:2: “Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.” 5. Romans 8:29-30: “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” 6. 2 Corinthians 3:18: “And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.” 7. Ephesians 4:13: “Until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.”

[@Razamaniac]

Wrong, theosis is enhanced by prophecies of the saints, who saw people who abandoned everything for Christ shinning in the Future Kingdom EXACTLY LIKE GOD HIMSELF !!!

[@johnbreitmeier3268]

@@Razamaniac Rubbish and heresy.

[@savsmaster4183]

As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, Deification/Theosis is something I’ve been taught since I was very young, though we call it Exaltation. In John chapter 10 verse 34 Christ in response to Pharisees accusing him of blasphemy he states “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Deification is such a beautiful doctrine and helps strengthen my faith in Jesus Christ and his atonement.

[@chaotickreg7024]

Mormons are Christians until they try to look like it.

[@HaleStorm49]

The advocates of Theosis don't take this doctrine to it's logical extreme, but also cannot define when/how the doctrine arrives at it's fruition. In a way it's like listening to a racial activist talking about "how far we still have to go". They can describe everything except the finish line

[@quesostuff1009]

The intro quote “God became man, so that man might become God” Is particularly not a Christian teaching. Some would even call it heresy

[@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566]

Its in on the incarnation of Athanasius of Alexandria. It's not blasphemous if you look it into context

[@quesostuff1009]

@@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566 could you please add light to this perhaps poorly worded quote

[@user-jb3th9fr4v]

So how do you guys believe humanity is saved cause I ve heard some say it is through theosis or communion with God. But wouldn't that be a denial of what christ did for us on the cross by taking away the sins of the world. We are told that faith in the son is what saves by paul, jesus and every one of Jesus's followers. The father's will is written to be for us to believe in the son and exercise faith in him witch wit ll produce good works, but as said in isaiah "our works are but filthy rags".

[@HenryLeslieGraham]

amen. also amen because you said man rather than 'humans' or 'people'.

[@n1a316]

why is the likes to views ratio so off...

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Because people don’t like it! Lol to most, this is a very unfamiliar doctrine

[@elilane8627]

Did God not know before he even created us that we would “fall into sin”? Did he not have an option to make us better?

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Well, no matter good he made us we would still have free will, and no amount of perfecting good influence the “freeness” of the will as a perfect free will would mean it's perfectly free

[@elilane8627]

@@Esch-a-ton3 does god have free will?

[@elilane8627]

@@Esch-a-ton3 does god have free will?

[@elilane8627]

Doe God have free will?

[@elilane8627]

Why are my comments disappearing immediately?

[@BaggerFood101]

If I never had the Bible or knew our fathers words I think I would still very well come across him. I learned how to astral project and lucid dream at a very young age as is anyone ability to do so people just can’t out of sheer laziness or ignorance. Being in the astral world once or twice is cool but eventually you’ll bring something back and that room you used to sleep in will no longer be usable. You cannot begin to unravel the confines of this world without peering into our fathers hand. For those of you speaking about doctrine this doctrine that you are not a Christian nor do you understand what Christianity is. This is a relationship a link to a religion with set codes and celebrations. The codes and celebrations are indeed there for reference and history sake but a man in the wilderness will be just fine if he were to call upon Yah for aid. I know vengeance isn’t mine to be had but sometimes I wish I was able to dish it out to you fools.

[@kamtaylor6307]

I found this video when you had 777 followers 🤯

[@Esch-a-ton3]

😶

[@terrywaltman2520]

You miss the whole point...Eve knew that in order to bring about the family of man...she must eat the forbidden fruit 🙏🌹🎶🎵... it's all a part of the plan of salvation, amen ⁉️ and who has suffered more then women 💖

[@Esch-a-ton3]

So even knew something God didn't?

[@ryanharvey4555]

Is grace created or uncreated

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Both! Depending on what you mean by created or uncreated… Stay tuned. Essence energies distinction is in the works.

[@ryanharvey4555]

@@Esch-a-ton3 are you eastern catholic?

[@Esch-a-ton3]

@@ryanharvey4555 no, I'm Latin with a LOVE of Eastern theology.

[@ryanharvey4555]

@@Esch-a-ton3 im eastern orthodox I just wanted to pick your brain. Nice video though. One last question, is the grace that we participate in the Eucharist created or uncreated? Im trying to be as specific as possible

[@Esch-a-ton3]

@@ryanharvey4555 uncreated its the very eternal activity of God. Otherwise theosis would be impossible. And thanks brother.

[@SuperFree06]

Theosis as a doctrine does not now, and never has meant "Divinisation" of man. Man becoming "Divine" is not Christian doctrine, it is called APOTHEOSIS and not THEOSIS. Theosis according to the Eastern Orthodox Church means becoming closer to and resembling/reflecting God, without becoming God.

[@renardbennett75]

Lol This literally sounds like the plot of Mega Man X with God as Dr. Light and us as X. Peeped the Kirby music btw

[@Esch-a-ton3]

😅

[@barrybobert9294]

He punished all the kids of Adam and Eve for their mistakes or is it some sort of metaphor that all people are responsible for? If I punished all decentance of nazi's would I be considered good? Why is god taking on mankinds sin such a good thing if there are no stakes for him? Unless he is currently suffering in hell for all eternity. If I could stop all humanity from being tortured forever by only getting tortured in 1 life and then going to heaven I would do it too. So whats the big deal, I don't understand.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

He doesn’t punish them, they lost an inheritance. If you had billionaire parents that go involved in shady stuff and were caught, by the merit of their own actions they would lose there wealth. In turn they wouldn’t have it to give you as an inheritance. This wouldn’t be your fault or your own punishment but a consequence of your parents actions.

[@barrybobert9294]

@@Esch-a-ton3 Ok, that makes sense. But God created the being that led my parents to make such an action, and I see losing the garden as way worse than losing billions but IDK I never been there or had a billion dollars. I'm also curious about the other question I asked.

[@Pandacous]

I dont wanta be God i want to be with God

[@Esch-a-ton3]

They are one in the same!

[@nestquick9204]

it is not correct to say that the incarnation is his glorification imo. Although it might be part of it. The resurrection seems to be more reasonable. Now the Son of Man is glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once. John 13:31 now i am not an expert so take this with a grain of salt

[@Esch-a-ton3]

I think the incarnation is the showcasing of the extent of Gods love and “all things were made for the son through the son” so technically all creation and him taking center place would be the father glorifying the son. But I know what you're getting at.

[@josh-ni7li]

technically the incarnation was Jesus making Himself lesser than, it was Him humbling Himself for our sake

[@happybeejv]

Actually the original sin is free will; God created us as being unique from himself in order to truly be alive but this means we have the power to go against the will of the universe because will us a radical that is radical But god deams it worth it even though it causes us to cause destruction and be punished for it because at the end of the day all things come from god ergo its his own fault and should die in our place for our sins

[@happybeejv]

We are all born into this world hedonists that can't take care of ourselves, then when we reach maturity we are kicked out of paradise and we live in the real world where we suffer and strive Through strife Then we are molded into stoic adults who can create their own family as life struggles its way through the universe to self perpetuate itself

[@attackofthewindmills]

we are probably a little of both

[@Englishkin]

Christianity is not about Man becoming God. It is about Man repenting from trying to be God and, instead, giving all glory to the true God Himself. God became Man as Jesus by His Blessed Virgin Mother Mary in order for Him to save us from our own self-deification. He died our death so He could raise us again to eternal life in Him.

[@quesostuff1009]

I feel you that intro line felt maybe Mormon adjacent , since they see God as an exhalted man

[@03whitefang]

This tells me you didn’t watch the video. They make great pains to define and distinguish what they mean by man becoming God. It’s not in the New Age sense or man attaining some actual equality with God. It’s about being transformed through faith and obedience to Christ in reflecting the image of God as newly created humans, which is the essence of the gospel.

[@frekigeri4317]

Let us make man in our image - genesis

[@PhilosophyOfNoa]

Your first sentence contradicts your last sentence. What does it mean to be raised to eternal life “in Christ”? Paul says we are members of one body in Christ. We become members of Christ, who is eternal God. We become God.

[@marcokite]

No, Christianity IS not about Man becoming God! of course there must be repentance and the Cross

[@elganzandere]

Seek Orthodoxy.

[@UnlistedLogos]

Your name looks like a play on “ask a ton,” so I’m here to ask you if that’s the case.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

🤣

[@crazyboutfishin83]

Jesus was created? Explain this logic to me because that seems antithetical to Biblical Christianity

[@Esch-a-ton3]

The human person of Jesus was created, but the divine nature and personhood of Jesus was uncreated. I'd read the council of Chalcedon 451AD

[@gray96]

@@Esch-a-ton3 There is no human person of Jesus, only the divine person taking on created human nature.

[@AdamRTNewman]

@@Esch-a-ton3 Did you mean to say "human person"? Or perhaps "human nature"? Do you hold the position that the *person* of Jesus is both uncreated (as touching divinity) and created (as touching humanity)? Or do you hold that the *person* is simply uncreated, even while having a nature from the created order?

[@Esch-a-ton3]

@@AdamRTNewman human person, created. Divine person, uncreated. Hypostatic Union- human nature assumed into divine

[@AdamRTNewman]

@@Esch-a-ton3 This response is rather confusing as it naturally implies two persons, which I'd assume is not what you're advocating. Do you hold that it is the same person who is both divine and human, and that by way of being a divine person, He is uncreated, and by way of being a human person, He is created?

[@MichaelJones-xk3rb]

Ancient myths have little in common with reality.

[@Hedgehogz856]

Well luckily this isn’t a myth 😊

[@exploremore2438]

​@@Hedgehogz856It is, but with theology, just like every other myth that had theology so the church had to have their books burned 👍🏻

[@Hedgehogz856]

@@exploremore2438 yeah book burning, like how there are hundreds of (very old) heretical manuscripts and fake bible books which aren’t burned

[@tknciliba4743]

I am in shock, this is the first Catholic associated video that dealt with Jesus & Only Jesus in the framework of Salvation. Clearly not all Catholics venerate Mary. Thank you

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Well, thanks 😅 Catholics believe Christ is the source of all salvation and no one comes to the Father except through him. Yet, at the same time we don't see a problem with generating( showing extreme respect) to his mother who was the first Christian.

[@tknciliba4743]

@@Esch-a-ton3 Thank you for that. I don't want to spoil it with Arguments. Praise be to Jehovah Jesus 👌🙏.

[@navigatorofthevalley]

Actually all Catholics do honour Mary, just not how you might think.

[@Hedgehogz856]

@@tknciliba4743you know Gods name isn’t Jehovah but Yahweh (YHWH) right?

[@Misa_Susaki]

Big win for the Mormons.

[@thomasbrodrecht6137]

But is Jesus one and equal with God the Father in Mormonism?

[@Misa_Susaki]

@@thomasbrodrecht6137 Yes, though our understanding of God is different. That doesn't make it less valid, though! My religion is just as valid as yours, and it deserves to be respected.

[@gow588]

this isn’t very accurate

[@lucianmaximus4741]

Gematria444:360=1.23*MONAD

[@goatboy150]

Talmudic nonsense.

[@DavidDrew-n6z]

If the Trinitarian position is wrong then it is wrong because of scriptural misinterpretation. And therefore those who revere and imitate Christ but interpret the scriptures as lacking sufficient evidence for the trinitarian position are more accurately claiming to be Christian. And all these Philosophers are merely the philosophers which Paul warned about. And probably influenced by Gnosticism or ancient paganism.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

“He is the imprint of the divine nature” I have a video proving Jesus’ divinity coming out in about 3 weeks if you want to check that out. Just because something can be proved by reason, doesn’t mean it goes against Christianity. lol You’re using philosophy to assert the opposite so I could just say the same thing to you because there were equally many philosophers in the early truth trying to disprove the trinity- like Arius.

[@DavidDrew-n6z]

@@Esch-a-ton3 Take note of the word ‘If’ . But really the Trinity/ non Trinity debate is unimportant ‘If’ the individual is steadfast in imitating Jesus in how he interacts with ‘my father and your father’. In other words , we reserve actual prayer and worship and more importantly obedience as an act of devotion directed toward God Almighty as this is exactly what Jesus himself has done . In other words , do what Jesus does , give credit to Jesus for how you know what to do, and it will all work out.

[@gergelymagyarosi9285]

It requires some serious mental gymnastics to interpret the garden of Eden story this way. Especially when God gives his reasons for expelling the humans. OT God doesn't seem like the guy who wants humans to attain divinity. This is further supported by the Tower of Babel story.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

The tower of Babel was an attempt to attain divinity APART from God. It's not really a mental gymnastics when countless church fathers have the same interpretation.

[@gergelymagyarosi9285]

@@Esch-a-ton3 OK. Can you think of something that many people believed in the old days, yet it's logically incoherent?

[@MelecioRogerJr]

Christianity cannot be contained. You shall not lie.

[@Hedgehogz856]

He didn’t lie

[@alecmisra4964]

This idea was commonplace in pre monotheistic culture. Look at Empedocles for example, Antiochus Epiphanes, the Roman emperors etc. To say nothing of the East. Christianity was a step backward in this respect. No permission is needed to be what one naturally is.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

For your examples, where does this divinity come from?

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

Peter would have mentioned this concept if it were the case. “Fellow Israelites, listen to this: Jesus of Nazareth was a man accredited by God to you by miracles, wonders and signs, which God did among you through him, as you yourselves know. 23 This man was handed over to you by God’s deliberate plan and foreknowledge; and you, with the help of wicked men, put him to death by nailing him to the cross. 24 But God raised him from the dead, freeing him from the agony of death, because it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him." Acts 2 God working through Jesus wouldn't make Jesus God.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours: 2 Grace and peace be yours in abundance through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord. Confirming One’s Calling and Election 3 His divine power has given us everything we need for a godly life through our knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and goodness. 4 Through these he has given us his very great and precious promises, so that through them you may participate in the divine nature, having escaped the corruption in the world caused by evil desires Check back in about a week! I have an entire video on Jesus’ divinity

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

@@Esch-a-ton3 through the knowledge of God AND of Jesus. "Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their testimony of Jesus." Revelation 14:12 At no point were they teaching that Jesus is God.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

@@ChristinaFromKZbin 1 Corinthians 1:24 - “But to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.” Is Gods wisdom power created? Colossians 1:15 (Knox Translation): “Christ is the image of the unseen God, born first before all the creation.” How can he be the image of God and not the image of Gods divinity? John 17:5 (Knox Translation): “And now, Father, do thou bring me in thy presence, and grant me the glory which I enjoyed in thy presence before the world began.” How does he experience anything before creation of he's created?

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

@@Esch-a-ton3 Paul is the Man of Lawlessness. Paul openly admits to being the Man of Lawlessness in every possible way imaginable: "all things are lawful" 1 Corinthians 10:23 "Righteousness is apart from the law" Romans 3:21 "The Law is the Ministry of Death" 2 Corinthians 3:7 "The Law was nailed to the cross" Colossians 2:14 "Where there is no law there is no violation" Romans 4:15 "Sin is not imputed where there is no Law" Romans 5:13 "We are released from the Law" Romans 7:6 "The Law is a yoke of slavery" Galatians 5:1 "The Law is a curse and those who rely on it are cursed" Galatians 3:10 "I myself am not under the Law" 1 Corinthians 9:21 "Each man should be fully convinced in his own mind" Romans 14:5 "The Law has been abolished" Ephesians 2:15 "Hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh." 1 Corinthians 5:5 "Crafty fellow that I am, I caught you by trickery!" -2 Corinthians 12:16 Paul is the Man of Lawlessness and he preaches the Anti-Christ. Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, has never blinded anyone. He does the literal exact polar opposite!! When "anti" means opposite, Paul literally preaches the Anti-Christ.

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

@@Esch-a-ton3 He also told them this parable: “Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into a pit? 40 The student is not above the teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like their teacher. Luke 6 Paul is the last person I would let teach me anything. A blind, Pharisee, serial killer that says he is evil and can not stop doing evil- "We know that the law is spiritual; but I am unspiritual, sold as a slave to sin. 15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do-this I keep on doing." Romans 7 If I were you I wouldn't try to explain having Paul as your Teacher on Judgment Day.

[@God_gave_His_Son_for_you]

Roman Catholics are misunderstanding Matthew 16:18. The confession that "Jesus is the Christ the Son of God" is the only foundational truth that Christ builds His church on.

[@Hedgehogz856]

“And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.” Peter means rock, so what God is saying is “And I tell you that you are ROCK, and on this ROCK I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.”

[@God_gave_His_Son_for_you]

@@Hedgehogz856 Peter's confession is the rock. See Agustin of Hippo confirming by paraphrasing Christ: "Therefore, he says, You are Peter; and upon this Rock which you have confessed, upon this Rock which you have acknowledged, saying, You are the Christ, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church; that is upon Myself, the Son of the living God, will I build My Church. I will build you upon Myself, not Myself upon you." - Augustine of Hippo Sermons on Selected Lessons of the New Testament SERMON XXVI. AGAIN ON MATT. XIV. 25: OF THE LORD WALKING ON THE WAVES OF THE SEA, AND OF PETER TOTTERING.

[@Hedgehogz856]

@@God_gave_His_Son_for_you the guy named rock is the rock

[@glenmcdonald375]

I couldn't care less about my morality... Im gonna eventually die... its called being mortal... im perfectly fine with that... Religion has nothing to do with that

[@mikeoniones667]

Sounds mormon.

[@Orthodoxi]

😅

[@Orthodoxi]

I meant....👀 Gods Hand? 😏

[@Arlondev]

the doctrine of putting your fingers in your ears and going LALALLALAALLALALALAA when somebody provides evidence that might come into conflict with dogma? That's the doctrine I see put into practice most often anyway

[@tudormardare66]

Only in the Orthodox Church, the True Original Church of Christ from 2000 years ago, can Theosis be found. I remind you that the term Theosis was conceived by the Holy Fathers of the Orthodox Church, and explained by them, as they are the ones who inherited the Apostles' Holy Spirit and teachings. Salvation outside the Orthodox Church is impossible.

[@sendmechecks]

That sounds like Gnosticism, not a belief in Jesus and by His grace alone.

[@Hedgehogz856]

Nuh uh, there is no salvation outside of the CATHOLIC church

[@tudormardare66]

@Hedgehogz856 Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, that is the Eastern Orthodox Church. Papists are not the real Catholics. Let us remember that Catholicism came with doctrines not present in the first 1000 years of Church history, including: - Papal Infallibility - Papal Supremacy - Absolute Divine Simplicity - Purgatory - Filipque and its present catechism suggesting a form of Arianism against the Holy Spirit, reducing the Holy Spirit to "a divine will" - Doctrine of created grace, on top of the Uncreated Grace - Immaculate Conception (this is blasphemy against the Mother of God!!) where you make the Theotokos' birth as free from the original sin, because you misunderstand the Concept of the Original Sin itself; the Theotokos was without sin, wholly innocent and Eternal Virgin, this still remains true, don't misunderstand - The wrong Concept of the Original Sin: people do not partake in the blame of the sin of Adam and Eve, but on its consequence, that is Death; the Theotokos was freed from this natural curse of humanity not at the time of her birth, but at the time she became pregnant with God the Word; at that time her womb became more glorified than the Heavens - your pseudo-church changed its doctrine of salvation outside the Catholic "Church" at the Second Vatican Council, and you came up with different levels of communion with the other churches; if you follow Church history, you should know an Ecumenical Council is supposed to be free from error.., so you not believing the teachings of your Council makes you a heretic not only for the Orthodox Church, but for your "Catholic Church" as well

[@tudormardare66]

@@Hedgehogz856 Somebody is deleting my comments, notably my reply to you

[@Hedgehogz856]

@@tudormardare66 that sucks bro

[@zephyrmasterstormforger8687]

Theosis sounds awful to be honest.

[@Esch-a-ton3]

Why do you say that?

[@Rosiedelaroux]

Man made fantasy

[@terrywaltman2520]

There are a dozen things said in this video that are WRONG...the Kingdom of Heaven is not a Church.

[@RockerfellerRothchild1776]

We all die.... Get over it

[@Esch-a-ton3]

We have gotten over it! And waiting in anticipation! May the Holy Spirit enlighten be merciful towards us and fill us with the knowledge of all truth!

[@Tevi_Kan]

Yeshua was black

[@Hedgehogz856]

No, he a was Jewish Semite, who aren’t black at all. Closer to what modern Arabs or Syrians, or other Semitic peoples from around the Levant

[@Huskerguy316]

Rank heresy. You are going to hell

[@Esch-a-ton3]

By what standard? I’m gonna take a guess you're an evangelical protestant with no way of actually classifying heresy other than your own opinion, which presents a bigger problem than heresy. Could be wrong tho. Anyways, thanks for watching.

[@asurrealistworld4412]

Do you think the Trinity is heresy too? Because the beginning quote originates from one of the biggest defenders of the Trinity way back when Arianism, a heresy denying that Christ shared the same divine essence with God the Father was running rampant.

[@Hedgehogz856]

@@Esch-a-ton3why did you heart his comment 😭, bro legit said you’re going to hell