All Pagans Will Tell You This, But IGNORE IT!

[@HokeTheDog]

Apartments with bathtubs are becoming progressively less accessible to low income people in my area. Not being able to do a "bath ritual" doesn't make one less of a witch. The mountain grannies and backwoods witch ladies used baths for healing but they wouldn't have wasted precious water and herbs for a personal ritual.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

I'd not heard of bathtubs being inaccessible on a financial basis! You are absolutely correct about backwoods grannies not wasting resources like that!

[@HelennaRose]

@@GrumpyOldCroneyep, it’s true. Apartments barely come with a private bath anymore.❤ I’m glad you mentioned a cheesecloth shower, I love it.

[@jinxcrafter]

My initial thought as an alternative to a ritual bath was the old-fashioned "washcloth bath". Might be my option of choice in the winter when I don't want to risk getting my hair wet (I have terrible luck with shower caps😅)

[@saulemaroussault6343]

Also baths were rarely full body baths. More often you’d sit or stand in a large bassin, with maybe 20cm of water in it. There were larger baths, but those were public, shared. And perhaps you wouldn’t have do rituals there. Another option however was natural water, ponds, rain pools, streams. But it’s less accessible and it takes more will I guess. (I love cold streams but not everyone does). But then again it might make the result more powerful, because you had to put a lot of energy in it.

[@JuriAmari]

I borrowed something from my childhood which is using a basin filled with the herbs I would’ve used for a full bath. You can get the same benefits and you’re using less resources so you’ll have many more cleanses for the future. It’s also perfect if you have a small shower. A win win!

[@AylaCastopolous]

Herbalist here! I specialize in tea making (despite hating tea myself as a coffee chugging American). But, herbal teas when prepared correctly with good quality herbs have complex flavors. When in school I learned that herbal teas should be steeped longer than store bought teas. 20mins is the standard for herbal teas, especially if you want their medicinal value.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

I grow the vast majority of my own herbs, I'm going to try steeping it longer - thanks for the tip!

[@Jodie-McDowell]

Cover the tea while steeping also. Holds in the flavor and medicinal properties. I hated chamomile tea until I properly made a cup.

[@BLUE-fp3bn]

Also... Don't burn the herbs... Water temperature as with green tea. After steeping the infusion can be heated carefully.... It's technically an infusion btw if it doesn't actually contain tea (camelia sinensis leaves).

[@middleofnowhere1313]

Good info, thanks!

[@susanfalco4252]

Agreed, the reason mint calms your tummy or white willow bark helps your headache don’t need any magic:, it’s medicine.

[@feywerfolevado6286]

I love Margot Adler’s take on the threefold law. When she encountered a group of witches that said, “ WE believe in the threefold law, and EVERYTHING you do will come back to you THREE times…” and Margot went, “Why not two and a half?” 😂☠️ There is dogma everywhere, lol.

[@coldhaven1233]

My take on dogma and orthodoxy is essentially religious gatekeeping. Its horrible and disgusting to see, especially in a community that's supposed to be open minded. I used to be a Wiccan Rede enthusiast until I followed it to its logical conclusion: doing absolutely nothing. 🤣

[@arbyswitch5580]

Im into "do what THOU wilt, that is the whole of it" as in. quit trying to tell me what I willst be doin' and mind ya business pls

[@peridot1706]

Dogmatism, one of the major "tells" as to whether the speaker knows what Wicca actually is & states, regardless of what they identify as.

[@elizabethp2395]

Margot was hilarious!!

[@MiZtressofSoulzs]

I feel the saying is a guilt trip ,if this is true then someone who did you wrong should think about their actions will it come back to the person who wronged you? your defending yourself from attacks

[@InAHollowTree]

You're right in that some people get obsessed with cinnamon, but as for the “keep the food in the kitchen,“ sentiment you also expressed in a short, I have to disagree. Here in the US, we have long running traditions of hoodoo practice and one of the many “tools” in that toolbox are sprinkling powders. There are traditional mixes, and mixes that a practitioner can create on their own, and while I’ve never heard of any specific thing about blowing cinnamon around, it fits in well with some of what folks do. Also, food items like honey, eggshells, crabshells, and cornmeal are used in other workings. Remember, not everyone who practices witchcraft is coming from an English perspective. Side note: rosemary, sage and lavender are food too. 😄 Love your channel, keep up the grump!

[@homeiswonderland]

Also, and I'm sure there are much more effective ant-deterrants, a line of cinnamon will put off ants. Witchcraft is so often combined with practical practices...

[@Zaphaa]

I have to agree with everything you say. The Scots path is very much using everything everywhere.

[@johngross5224]

Yeah my Christian parents have asked me. "If you don't believe in God, what keeps you from becoming a murderer?". I think it's telling of their morals that they need someone looking over their shoulder and the threat of hell to be decent people. I kinda think the same if the rule of three. Like, really you need threat of retribution to be decent? I think there's a place for baneful magic. Specially because magic had historically been for the downtrodden and disenfranchised. But also it's not my first move to curse someone that their left sock is always wet. So yeah, I think you're correct it's going to be different for different people. Thank you for the video

[@naomistarlight6178]

enslaved people used to do spells on their captors, I see absolutely nothing wrong with that...

[@Tillie-x8t]

To be fair, the idea that some disagreeable people might be walking around with soggy left socks made me smile (it was a guilty pleasure smile, but nevertheless very broad) 😁

[@suzz1776]

It's the whole shopping cart test thing. Some people will only put the cart back when someone is looking (to keep them honest), other people don't need anyone/anything keeping them honest and will put the cart back just cuz it is the right thing to do. Some people need God/a god to keep them from doing bad stuff, other people don't need that and will just be a good person cuz it's the right thing to do. We r all diff and I guess as long as the end point is a person who is good and not being a nuisance on society than who cares if they worship the Christian God or the one of the many pagan gods or a yellow #2 pencil. Lol. Idk where I am going with this cuz I am a bit drunk, lol, but I thought I'd give my 2 cents. Sry if this is a ramble lol

[@teslagoth9401]

Morels are mushrooms ;)

[@johngross5224]

@@teslagoth9401 that's correct. Autocorrect and dyslexia are doing wonders for me 😀

[@AlisonQ1]

'Bath bomb bath' has the same joyful energy as 'yule balls'

[@HokeTheDog]

@@AlisonQ1 Instant gratification and having something already done for you just doesn't have the same energy. You are right about bath bombs being in the same league as Yule balls. Where do you stand on pre-made "spell jars"?

[@Bubletraveler]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@jhonny_loves_you]

2:45 You grumpy old crone! 😹 I love how in one breath you’re “forage for tea? Who does that!” & in the next breath, you’re “go i to your garden, pull something up, then steep it!” Hah! I love it

[@WildGems4]

We have a similar story. Married 25 years and he cheated too. Blindsided me and it was a lot of pain to process. He married her too. It lead me to my current husband of almost 7 years and I truly didn’t know married life could be so fulfilling. Makes me sad I didn’t know how bad it truly was in first marriage. Life is … interesting …yeah let’s go with that lol. I’m sorry you went through the same pain but thankful you also found a happier life too. Thanks for sharing. It still does my heart good to hear others survived that betrayal too. ((hugs)) ETA: I didn’t hex my ex or his mistress either. Ultimately I decided they weren’t worth the energy. That energy was best served in helping my children and myself heal and move on. It was damn tempting though. 😂

[@Kimberly_NV]

I think I'm glad I didn't practice 30 years ago. I would so have "hexed my ex". Good for us just moving on 🤗

[@Marias.spacy.midnight]

Annie: “if im being honest….” Us: “ yes yes , go on that’s whats we here for” 😂

[@izzy6455]

We would ask for a refund if there were to be any 'holding back'.

[@Volundur9567]

Yes'm. Tell it to us straight!

[@lilalexei01]

When I first saw the title, I excitedly said "Oohh... she's gonna go after the Threefold Law!" Your opinion aligns very strongly with mine. It's part of a specific religion and members of that religion need to stop trying to force apply it across all witchcraft. It's no different than the Carpenter's fan club trying to force their religious views on everyone else. Also, on Brandon Sanderson... he's local to me and I've gotten to meet him a few times. He's a pretty cool dude.

[@naomistarlight6178]

I met him at a convention once, can confirm he is a cool dude

[@brigantiablackbird]

Plant a seed--and the seed will grow. Whether that seed is a literal seed, or the seed of magickal intention. That is what the threefold law means. Now, why is that so hard to understand--and why are witches so hell bent on pretending that they can act without consequence--when the very nature of our work is consequences. I'm rather ashamed of the mindset I see in many of the comments--this attempt to evade responsibility and encouraging people to share in the delusion.

[@poppyseeds1844]

Let's say religion and the craft are 2 different things.

[@AlIguana]

in traditions that call to remove spirit nasties, one of their golden/best methods is running water. stand under the shower to remove the nasties. no herbs or anything needed. just have a shower, done. soap optional, depending on how grotty you feel lol

[@eledatowle8767]

There's something to that... I recently learned that falling or crashing water (waterfalls, waves at the beach, showers) can tear electrons from atoms in the air and ionize the air in a way that makes people feel better.

[@AlIguana]

@@eledatowle8767 ooo interesting. ty

[@linpollitt8950]

I shower every morning not only to get clean but to cleanse my aura for the day ahead. My friend, who bathes once a week, says that it diminishes her aura and it takes her a couple of hours to replenish it. I guess each to their own!

[@sixthsenseamelia4695]

Standing in summer rain, petrichor emanating from the rapidly drying ground......magical.

[@nickyleng6917]

I was taught "If you can't hex, you can't heal either." It's a deep truth on many levels.

[@GilTheDragon]

What I have found, in 30 years of witchcraft, is that that sentiment is bass awkward. That is to say, one can be incapable (either because of ethical or ritual abeyances, or temperament, or an outside imposition) of doing intentional violence; but one can still be quite capable of healing. It is, for example, quite easy to help rehydrate someone, or provide them quiet & rest; & it is relatively effortful to turn those towards harm. Not impossible but hard enough that the maxim ought be "if you can heal you can harm" which has a twofold benefit. For one it does away with the exhorting to do harm onto others (regardless of one's position on the ethics of violence, demanding violence be universally practiced is bad) & for second it reminds one that one's actions -no matter how well intentioned- can have unintended & even negative consequences.

[@stinawatson6327]

I don't agree. I used to, but just because I CAN, doesn't always mean I want to. And because I don't want to, that means I can't heal? Nah, I just have higher standards for myself, and there's nothing wrong with that.

[@immortalalia]

Nah all magic comes with a price and often hex's come with the highest price. This can be dangerous for baby witches.

[@GilTheDragon]

@@immortalalia hard disagree. for one being so dire about maleficia just glamorizes cursework with the sheen of the forbidden and edgy. it ends up being little different from completely minimizing cursework. Maleficia are just another form of violence, and just like using a slur or throwing a punch, there are consequences to the doing, and there are contexts where one can justify baneful deeds. on top of that it is... not universally agreed as to what is cursing and what isnt. Curse isn't a true natural typology, it is a rough group based on our biases and contexts

[@immortalalia]

@@GilTheDragon this is so out of touch and dangerous. Hope you stay safe.

[@operationgoldfish8331]

The thing to remember about the rhyming Parts of Wiccan lore is that it was Made up by a Middle-class class Middle aged woman fueled by copious amounts of red wine. Namely, Doreen Valiente. It isn't Holy Writ (not that Holy Writ is either). She was probably just trying to trump the Golden Rule. Thinking of infusion, we went through a fad for home made spirit liqueurs. Most relevant were, lavender - which created a sort of inability to motivate - an extreme chill pill. Spice with a lot of *nutmeg* - hallucinogenic. Filter coffee and brandy - dubbed by the local ladies patched motorcycle club as 'rocket fuel' because it makes you very drunk and very awake at the same time. We stopped after the lavender because we were worried someone might end up catatonic.

[@Helen-ge5ng]

I don't see why being middle class is relevant to someone's Witchery, and what is wrong about being a middle aged woman? They have experience and usually some wisdom. This is oddly dismissive about a woman who knew and wrote so much about witchcraft, Wicca and other traditions, some quite beautiful poetry - and prose, ritual and otherwise, whether fuelled by red wine or not. It's almost like hearing someone say the Beatles were overrated. I'd rather my initiates read Valiente than some of the other choices. (Often written by 20 year olds in black lace, who read a book last week)

[@finncullen]

@@Helen-ge5ng Typical inverse snobbery I'm afraid. People love to put other people in easy-to-dismiss boxes rather than actually accept that people other than their own type can have value.

[@peridot1706]

Valente wrote poetry. That's not the same as establishing a religion and its practices. Regardless, what does her age, gender or financial bracket have to do with anything?

[@Helen-ge5ng]

@@operationgoldfish8331 Have you read Philip Heselton's book, “Doreen Valiente Witch”? Perhaps it would help to enlarge the limited view some people seem to have of her.

[@Mother_Goth]

@@peridot1706 to claim that race, gender, age and economic fortune do not have an impact on the history of the craft in it's various forms is to disregard a large part of that very history. There are plenty of "new age" nonsenses out there that were specifically targeted towards the Pinterest obsessed, middle-aged white woman and her teenage counterparts. This aesthetic and superficial craft is meant as a cash grab for those who can afford such ventures. The long and storied tradition of the disenfranchised witch is the antithesis of this "new age" model. The abused, the women of color, the impoverished, those lacking in social power are the backbone of the history of the craft throughout the ages and the reason it has survived and continues to draw in new generations of witches.

[@AdeebaZamaan]

There's a story about a farmer whose son broke his leg right before harvest. "What a disaster!" everyone said. "He won't be able to help you get the crops in!" But the next day the emperor's soldiers came through the village, conscripting every able-bodied young man they found. "How lucky for you," the neighbors told the farmer, "that your son can't be drafted and marched away to fight and probably be killed!" But the very next week... You can see where this story is going. I meditate on it every time I believe something is Good or Bad. Right & wrong, in contrast, is something we ourselves understand about our own actions, and our right to judge each other's choices, and others' right to judge ours, is limited.

[@thenerdycrone]

It's not a hex, it's a 'judicial working' ;).

[@brigantiablackbird]

and you get to be judge, jury and executor. but no worries--I'm sure there's noooooooooo responsibility for that.

[@thenerdycrone]

@brigantiablackbird Asking for Justice is not the same as asking for vengeance. You only ask for what that person deserves, nothing more.

[@ChelleLlewes]

I'm simply accelerating someone's Karma!

[@HollyAnneThePaganChaosWitch]

​@@thenerdycrone this. Big fan of the "you reap what you sow" type of curse. It's just turning someone's own maliciousness against them and forcing them to endure what they've put others through.

[@thenerdycrone]

@@HollyAnneThePaganChaosWitch Exactly 😃

[@Zullala]

Sometimes I am the "karma" and I'm not sorry and I would do it again!

[@HPBlakeney]

I've always found the Threefold Law to be daft and innane. When I first started exploring witchcraft, I figured that the idea that energy returns in kind makes more sense. That is, if you put positive energy out, you'll eventually get a roughly equal amount of positive energy back, but not necessarily in the same form. Nowadays, as I philosophise about it more and more, I'm increasingly feeling like simple cause and effect makes the most sense.

[@brigantiablackbird]

Plant a seed and the seed grows--whether mundanely or magickally. If your studies have not caused you to glean that much, then I suggest you go back to the beginning.

[@bryanpritchett]

​​@@brigantiablackbirdMany seeds never sprout even when planted. Examine why that is.

[@ButchPleaseImFabulous]

@@brigantiablackbirdto follow your analogy, planting a seed is rarely enough. Many seeds do just grow when planted, but then gardening wouldn’t take so much work. Most seeds need to be planted in the right soil, watered in a specific way, and monitored in case they need any other care. Sometimes in life you do something that has instant effect. Sometimes in life you must not only do one thing, but continue and persist until the effect is seen.

[@Hashakgig]

"Have you ever licked a bathbomb?" made me subscribe. 🤣

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

... but have you???? Enquiring minds need to know....

[@Hashakgig]

@@GrumpyOldCrone No, but I have tried Play-Doh before which was not as tasty as it smelled either. Pure salt.

[@lulumoon3636]

​@@GrumpyOldCronenot a bath bomb, but I have liked a lush fresh faemask when they had the one that smelled just like chocolate! Was sad when they stopped selling that one (for using on my face, not licking) it just tasted like soap

[@Mica.Mystical]

The perspectives you were speaking on reminded me of an old Chinese fable on "good luck" & "bad luck" and the old farmer responds "maybe". It's a great teacher for learning how to expand one's mind and expanding one's thoughts. It's so nice to come across someone else who seems to use their own brain instead of just following the rest of the herd straight off the cliff.

[@rebeccamcnutt5142]

Didn't they use that story in a Bluey episode? 😄

[@Mica.Mystical]

@rebeccamcnutt5142 Omg did they!? I'm not sure ~ I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Bluey is such a great show 👏

[@batmansmith7422]

Counterpoint: teabags for the bath. Teabags. For the bath. I’m an agnostic herbalist whose hair will curl wildly no matter what she does, though, and my added salt helps more than harms. Bath bombs are a plague, though. As far as the rule of three goes - I dabble in pagan tradition and was kind of raised in it, but even as a more or less outsider, I feel like Wicca’s sort of swallowed all the other sects. It’s like the basic protestantism of paganism, and it’s to everyone’s detriment. That included Wiccans. Like, I doubt old school Dianic Wiccans much appreciate some pimply teenager telling them how to run their coven because she read a bit of Cunningham, you know?

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

I may have to do a poll on this because I'm fascinated by a lot of similar comments coming up... are you US based?

[@valkyrie1066]

Grumpy Old Crone. I love it. I informed my therapist I was "becoming the crone" and she thought I was afraid of aging. I meant moving in life from mother to crone; as I moved from maiden to mother. Explained to her it was'nt a sign of depression. It is contemplative on life purpose. Got my chickens and garden, and I am READY! LOL. I have retired to a cabin in the woods and it's peaceful and delightful. Yorkshire Gold? And I thought Tips were fancy. I love my "ritual baths." I do it to please myself, and make ME feel good on all levels. Don't forget candles, and meditative music. (Epsom salts yes, but I buy bags of lavender) LUSH smells wonderful but TRASHES the bathtub. I don't want to do a lot of cleaning, fair enough. The "shower teabag" doesn't sound bad either! Rule of three. I'm not sure what I did to deserve everything the pandemic lockdown left me with. It's a good general rule of thumb to do good. it doesn't MEAN you get an easy path. also, unfortunately means sometimes people go on doing bad, and more bad, and more bad, and one can only hope a karmic lightning bolt hits them. Still waiting.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

Agreed all over - the toxic nature of thinking that we have somehow deserved bad luck when it lands is just awful....

[@apocalypso3427]

Decades ago when I actually did spells and not energy work, I would take a ritual bath after each spell as my spell wrap up/release. I used herbs wrapped in a cheesecloth and nothing else. Then I would rinse in a shower afterwards (which also rinsed the tub lol). If I did use ritual tea, I'd use the same herbs as I would be bathing in later and would drink it prior to the spellwork. But I agree...not a fan of drinking green lol. I've never heard of the cinnamon thing. But I HAVE used cinnamon around windows and floorboards (but that was as a natural deterrent for ants, not any kind of ritual thing lol). Also, I'm not a fan of "rules" lol. The rule of 3/7/10 is ridiculous. That's not how any of this works. And honestly, it is fairly toxic when you think about it. If you suddenly have a streak of bad luck, it leaves you wondering what you've done wrong, etc. I've even seen others blame "bad karma" (which don't get me started on how karma is completely misrepresented) and such for really nasty things happening to people and that's awful. It's not a universal law. The universe runs on balance. Chaos exists to prevent balance from growing stagnant. But good and bad are just matters of perspective...something bad happening to YOU might be something good happening to someone else. It's all a cycle. Trying to live and work in a place of balance is the key. Golden rules are great for morals and ethics but have nothing to do with universal laws. Really enjoying your perspective. It's lovely to have a fellow grump out there sharing real wisdom.

[@jamiegallier2106]

Adore your dedication to calling out the consumerism and woo aspects in the pagan community. They are both best avoided entirely.

[@arwenwestrop5404]

That same cheese cloth bag with herbs will also help in the tub, if you really want a bath! Just leave out the dreaded essential oils, because they are the pits to clean out...

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

Other people have said this. It's the perfect idea. You are all so much more clued up than I am!

[@bellyjewel]

I came here to say the same thing. I also have a thing a friend gave me that is like a giant tea-infusing ball. Perfect for steeping as many herbs as I want in the bath.

[@vyvienn]

I recommend plain ole vinegar to clean up oily substances. Works like a charm and the smell disappears rather quickly

[@sarahmoore8138]

Oh also as I'm listening.... ritual bath. I usually do a shower for that because I believe if you needing to be cleaned and prepped for ritual ypu need running water..just me. But I will take a therapeutic healing bath but I prepare my herbs like a tea. I steep them in boiling water then strain and then pour into my bath the strained tea. Same effect and less mess. So basically I steep myself in a tub of tea water.

[@EasyNaturalLiving]

You are right about the running water, it can erase much more loaded electrons than a bath and therefore, clean your energy better

[@Shetooktothewoods]

The steeping method is far more effective for extracting the various compounds than herbs in bath temp water, too.

[@silver_crone]

a big human teacup. Ooh, or soup! Sorry, that made me giggle this morning :)

[@coolm3th]

The way you go abt baths is so mind-blowing to me bc it's so smart but so simple i could of thought of it but somehow didn't 😅 i just hate that if you use loose leaf tea in a bath it looks like bugs and the cleanup afterwards is not fun

[@37mugwump]

Pure facts. I cannot think of anyone who did me (or WORSE--my kids) dirty who got any comeuppance.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

I'm sorry. I wish the universe was fair.

[@ajwinberg]

As someone who likes herbal tea, I just get it from the store. I don't know enough about herbs to go out and get my own herbs. 😅

[@lugenkresse5825]

I've started growing plants specifically for tea in my garden this year, so the tea doesn't just taste "green". Most common household spices also make fantastic tea

[@basilbaby7678]

Some folks just don’t enjoy herbal tea, and fair enough…but I suspect they haven’t had it made from pure, organic plants, without heat drying, and being laced with formaldehyde…

[@Mother_Goth]

I needed this meat and potato today. Last year, I found out my (then) husband is a nonse. He's under investigation by police, I'm a newly single mother of six on food stamps, a job that barely pays the bills (after 20 years as a SAHM) and a gofundme to try to afford my attorney fees. I know he will get what is his, that the universe is biding it's time for sure, but this discussion on the "Rule of 3" and pursuing your conscience is so important. I honestly don't think I would feel guilt over workings against him. I also want better for myself and my kids. I'm so tired of being the bigger person sometimes. I want my heart to be at peace with what is happening and the waiting game is no place of peace for me. I want action. I appreciate your perspective on this. Thank you.

[@middleofnowhere1313]

I don't think you should feel any guilt over such workings either. You have every right to defend yourself and your children.

[@liddybird3608]

The most wonderful tub I have ever used was a seven foot long clawfoot tub. It had very tall sides. The overflow drain was also at a higher level. When I reclined I couldn't see over the edge and could fill it to the point I had to tilt my head back to breathe. I loved that tub. Bathtubs are one of those things that imo the Victorians did better than anyone has managed to accomplish since then.

[@MadwifeCinda]

I've never licked a bath-bomb but oh my goodness I've wanted to eat their soap bars that smell of chocolate... I prefer foot baths for this sort of thing. I agree I can't be arsed to scrub out the bath just for this. Thank you for being one of the most sensible people on the internet! Also: Definitely sign me up for the Church of Anti-Cinnamon...

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

It all just smells too good...

[@Jay-s8g9q]

I once went into Lush and asked for Fairy Snow, and got blank looks. My granddaughter had asked for Snow Fairy for Christmas. You would think the staff would have had the nous to realise what the poor old dear wanted, but they didn't. I was thinking about the soap powder which is now just called Fairy.

[@shannonneuenfeldt7064]

Yes ma'am to the note of cursing well my ex spent 13 years in jail and he ruined his own damn life I had nothing to do with it I do admit though I enjoyed every moment😊

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

The German word for this is "schadenfreude" - taking joy in a justified downfall. I'm a huge fan of schadenfreude!

[@candiceb8925]

Yorkshire tea girl here too ❤ I visualise gold and white light rain in the shower just to get rid off the negatively and crap from the day always helps me! I have very sensitive skin so herbs and oils are no! Brilliant advice Annie. X

[@xrystiana3507]

My understanding is that wiccan beliefs only apply to wiccan practitioners using wiccan rituals casting wiccan spells. Within the framework of wicca and the context of everything else that is part of that package, it makes sense for those following that path, but it only applies to those following that path, and on top of that, only the things they use magic to acomplish. Anything outside of that, it doesn't apply.

[@peridot1706]

You're right. But as you can see by the majority of comments regarding it, misinformation is far more widespread than fact. Perfect example of the internet in general.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

This. It gets trundled out to everyone who starts looking at *any* kind of paganism. Drives me bonkers. You can probably tell....

[@lulumoon3636]

​@GrumpyOldCrone absolutely! I started dabbling when I was about 12 when I started voicing (to my very religious Christian mother that I didn't agree/believe) and I'm 33 now and some time ago started ignoring the rule of 3, I'm not Wiccan, but eclectic & it took me many years to reach that conclusion. I believe in the concept of karma & have seen many people be their own undoing without my involvement. But agree on the ritual shower too

[@boniw698]

Your just such a breath of fresh air. Crone at 75 here. Thank you. 😉💕🌟

[@kikidevine694]

I love using 'may life bring you what you truly deserve'. It's not, technically, a curse.

[@alicev1141]

As soon as I saw this title I KNEW it was going to be the rule of 3 - SO with you on this!! Wicca is a religion created by a person, and the rule of 3 is one of the tenets of that religion - it always frustrates me when Wiccans push it on others with different Pagan/magical practices! Also drinking a lovely merlot as I watch - cheers 🍷

[@genera1013]

Every religion is created by a person. Not sure why you felt the need to say that. I do agree that wiccans shouldn't try to push it on others though.

[@RaysofLight98]

When you asked “Who does that?” I instinctively went, “Hey, I do!” (I have two lavender plants) … “Hey, now!” XD

[@oathboundsecrets]

I propose a reinterpretation of the threefold law: when you do magic, your intention is increased three times in power.

[@TheKillaBunny77]

As an old, self taught witch I can honestly say today I have learnt something and changed my mind. I still like to believe in karma and was always wary of putting something negative out there in the universe and having it come back at me. I’d always counsel the young to be mindful of what they say or do for that very reason. I didn’t want it to backfire. But listening to you, you’re so right, and you’ve put my mind at ease. Sometimes, you just have to hex. Thank you. 🙏🏼

[@Rozewolf]

I do enjoy your videos. I too am a Yorkshire tea witch! I work with lots of herbs, but unless there is a specifically a reason for a 'tea', ie medicinal, I'll go for a packaged herbal every time. I've been doing ritual showers for over 30 years. Much easier. The Rede... It's a lovely tool for people who don't understand cause and effect. One can hope they learn balance. You're right, most religions have some form of 'Golden Rule'. As for anyone who's got a sensible attitude we learn to balance our lives. Sometimes you need to know both sides of the equation, curse/heal or good/bad. The real lesson is learning from life's experiences. If you're suffering, why, and how can you fix it? If life is joyful, be happy, and spread it to others. A better rule for me has always been to be true to myself.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

Be true to oneself. The finest rule, I think. And certainly the centre of my being and practice.

[@gadgetgirl02]

Thanks for the points on the Law of Three too. I've been told that sometimes the Law doesn't come into effect until the NEXT lifetime, which... you know. The flipside is also that doing good things does not always lead to a threefold return either. You should do good things because they are good things, but with the understanding that they may not be rewarded -- they might even get you taken advantage of if you don't watch it (or are just unlucky).

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

It's taken me a while to appreciate that there are two ways of looking at everything. Nothing in this world is black and white. Except mint humbugs, possibly.

[@kylaallen822]

Oh dear gawsh, I can't breath, I'm laughing so hard! Between the ritual bath outcome and the fancy tea, no greater truths have been told!

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

Thankyou!

[@silver_crone]

Your comments on happy vs content are so spot-on! Happy is more akin to a mood, and contentment is more akin to a state of being. My therapist drove this home years ago and the relief of 'oh, it's not supposed to hang about as a state of being' was enormous! Fantastic video as always, and just the chuckle I needed on a Monday.

[@stuartchapman5171]

Teas and baths? Make a pot of strong herb tea, dont drink it, strain it into your bath, job done.

[@TheMagnoliaWitch]

"Who does that?" Me, honestly, though I'm personally of the opinion that herbal infusions don't count as tea unless there's actual leaves from the tea plant in it. 😂 On the other hand, the (heh) ritual of gathering the herbs together and slowly steeping them before adding honey and stirring to combine acts as much as a slowing down prelude to the relaxing boosted by then drinking the infusion. Those self care books don't go into that bit of it much, though, focusing more on the "potion" portion than the "use the brewing of this to kickstart making yourself slow down to relax".

[@kissekott]

As a non-brittish person I must say I very much enjoy walking out in nature to pick my own herbs and brew a tea on them, but I understand that it may not be everybody's ... *badum-dish* .. cup of tea! Ha-ha. 😅 I'm sorry, but I couldn't resist. 🙈 I'm totally with you on the three fold law-thing, and I just loved the pebbles in the lake-metafor. I believe it's just like you describe it, nothing is black and white, good or bad. It's just different perspectives depending on how you choose to see it.

[@grovewitch]

I doubt I will use curse or hex magic very often; but, I am not worried about backlash. People do awful things, truly brutal, all the time and get by with it. You are right..no balance sheet. What is everyone doing for Imbolc? This will be my first, but it will be at home. Cheers Annie for another fun video! ❤

[@4namolly]

Bath bomb bath solution... If you have taken a plain Epsom salt bath the sticky icky hair is worse. Crazy thing is, if you spritz your hair with vinegar, it becomes soft and kind of like hair conditioner. You can then wash your hair as usual. I learned that from using sensory deprivation tanks, full of salt water. They had a spray bottle with watered down ACV for hair care and it worked 🤷‍♀️🤯

[@4namolly]

Salt and vinegar though, you will smell like a salad 🥗

[@AlIguana]

@@4namolly lol nothing like smelling like a bag of chips to make you all spiritually cleansed and relaxed

[@psukebariah3435]

Interesting...my hair loves an epsom salt bath. Very soft and easy to comb. Bodies are weird.

[@lynetteclark]

As someone who sadly has no bath in my rented cottage, I just want to thank you for the genius idea of the herbal shower. Im just annoyed at myself for not having the initiative to think of this myself 😂

[@Shetooktothewoods]

I have no bath in my off-grid home, so I bought a collapsible one that fits in the shower stall. It’s delightfully deep and relaxing, if you’re longing for a bath experience.

[@lynetteclark]

@Shetooktothewoods I did buy an inflatable bath once for my last pregnancy. It was great having it set up in the lounge, with the open fire and TV, but it was too much of a pain to fill and then drain. I just have the occasional bath at my adult daughter's house every once in a while. ❤️

[@peridot1706]

I've never seen the sense in dumping various floaty bits into a bath. I do for a bath what you suggested for the shower, wrap herbs in cheese cloth, let it steep while the tub fills. Washing with handmade soaps made with the appropriate scents & herbs solves the issue of dumping oil in the bath. If you want a bubble bath, it's easy enough to turn some of that handmade bar into liquid soap. Add a bit of glycerin for added moisturizing.

[@saulemaroussault6343]

I guess they watched (and trusted) too much media. Ritual baths are often shown with the ingredients floating in the water, because it’s more dramatic than a giant tea bag.

[@seekingvision]

Lol i am that person who grows heaps of medicinal herbs & plants on my allotment to use in herbal teas, tinctures, salves, bath ‘teas’ (I use giant muslin tea bag thingies so no mess & I don’t add oils). The teas mostly do taste ‘green’ 😂 but they very much help reduce the nasty symptoms of the autoimmune illnesses I unfortunately live with. I do have a witchcraft garden too, mostly not to used in such things ☠️ 👻 As for an enjoyable cuppa ☕️ it’s Earl Grey black tea for me ♥️🖤

[@sweathie]

I just wanted to pop in and say that you are quickly becoming one of my favorite creators on this platform. Your videos are so delightful to listen to and I really appreciate what you’re putting out into the world!

[@once.upon.a.time.]

In 2022 my boss got me the first mistborn for Christmas, i spent the rest of 2023 making my way through the series (and onto the stormlight archive). I had your exact notions about Mr. Sanderson before I read them, and each of the first three books left me weeping, actual snot-dripping *weeping!* 😅 I felt so human after them haha

[@tionoasin]

The rule of 3 defies the laws of physics. If it applied to each of then the exponential demand would quickly get out of hand.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

Right????

[@SpiritAscending]

Hear, hear, dear, beautiful British Grumpy Old Crone sisters. I’ve learned through time exactly everything that you’ve been talking about. I subscribed. I live in Atlanta, Georgia, USA (🙄) and I’ve never seen the Universe just balance things out. There’s an old saying that “God/dess helps those who help themselves”. Want to balance out the karma with a curse on truly evil people, DIY!

[@mazzycollins9856]

Just found your channel today and my visit has been lovely. For me, that state of contentment often comes as "flow state" - being in the flow of creativity, for me that's art or writing usually, and man is it powerful!

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

Wonderful!

[@allisondrummond951]

Hexes and curses are part of my craft.

[@chezLynn]

Thank you! So, many videos I've seen conflate 'paganism' with Wiccanism, and push 'Valiente'-tine practices or froo-froo BS, that I, generally, avoid the entire genre. Seeing you call this stuff out, and present a more practical approach to witchcraft, like this, is refreshing! Especially, appreciate your insight on spell casting, and the law of 3. I've, often, struggled with the 'right', 'wrong', and repercussions of choices, ... and the question of 'why' I've learned certain skills, only to avoid using them...and your thoughts on this are more than likely going to be helpful in that area. Really, appreciate your sharing yourself with us, this way. Thank you!

[@habituallearner7680]

I've always called the wiccan rede the cosmic hall monitor model implying that there's some sort of cosmic Hall monitor who will check you for a pass to make sure you're not going to the bathroom out of turn. I generally try to treat people in the way that I would like to be treated but I have never seen anything that operates like a hard and fast rule ensuring that everyone gets back three times what they send out. If so some of the people holding public office around the world would be under the jail not in the halls of power. I tend to think that the way you treat others affects how they treat you. Even then, as I've said, I've seen nasty old people live to a riotous old age swindling everyone they know and dying happy.

[@elizabethp2395]

Phyllis (Curott) called out the problems witht the Rule of 3 back in the 90's and she caught a ton of flak for it. Spot on.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

I haven't read much by her - going to do some digging now! Thankyou

[@elizabethp2395]

@ I believe it was in her book WitchCrafting (2001…. my bad; her first book was in 1996). She was one of the first teachers that I ever connected with. This was back in New York City where is in the early 20s around the time the first book came out.

[@eledatowle8767]

I find that when we put out intent for certain aspects of life, like a certain lifestyle that will bring us contentment, and the universe starts to set that path up for us.... If we resist by holding tightly to something that no longer serves us (job, relationship, etc), the universe keeps upping the nudges to get us to move. If we continue to refuse, those become slaps. Once we move, even if it's painful and fearful in the beginning, looking back from the wisdom of the future, we see that the change was pivotal to allowing the universe to help us along the path we desired, resulting in us getting to a much better place. To be clear, this is NOT saying that "all bad things are good." This doesn't apply to deaths or illnesses, simply to us clinging to outdated parts of our life when making a change is required for us to progress. I'm so glad you and Mr Grumpy Old Crone were given the opportunity to build a life together that brings happiness to you both.

[@oralearamsey7377]

When I was in nursing school one of the classes instructors was a hateful lunatic (with tenure). She nearly destroyed all my hard work and goals I had for nearly 40 years. I just kept my head in a forward space, surrounded myself with supportive friends and family, and refrained from cursing that person. Within a few weeks bad and distressing things began happening to them. Their influence as an instructor weakened. Before long I returned, much to this person's dismay Long story short(to late), I succeeded in my schooling and had a very successful career and now happily retired . Would it have been the same had I cursed them? Probably. And that incident is merely an antidote and a learning experience in and of itself. I don't even remember that instructors name because they are now meaningless to me. Thank you Annie for putting everything into perspective.

[@OwlPowerCreations]

Hello. Thank you for sharing your insight, much appreciated. The unfortunate aspect of believing in "you get what you give" in whatever form it is touted is that then when a person experiences hardship or injustice it can be dismissed as if they had done something to bring it on themselves, while conversely equating success and well being with being a worthy, deserving person. I hear this type of rhetoric in conservative religious, self congratulatory voices. I agree with you in that this really doesn't hold up to scrutiny, it's more like a blame and shame game disguised as morality.... Just a thought .... 🦉

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

Yeah, that's a whole mad viewpoint right there. I hate the concept of people living with disabilities have somehow brought it on themselves. Makes me pretty angry, actually.

[@runaaufbrennen7593]

Love your take on the three fold law there. I hadn't thought of it from the two sides of the same situation so who gets what karma angle before and that's just another reason why it's all BS. For me, it also screams "let go and let god", which defeats the purpose of being a witch in the first place. We take power into our own hands and can decide for ourselves how it needs using. Also, ritual showers, woo! I absolutely hate cleaning my tub (witch with chronic pain here) and while all the herbs and such bring the aesthetic feel and all, you are spot on with the awkward feeling of having to clean your friggin tub right after before proceeding on with the next thing. 😂

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

I always think that Christianity is about begging God to make changes in your life, whilst Paganism is about asking the Divine for the strength to make those changes yourself.

[@RowanRiven]

For ritual baths, I either make a tea from the herbs I'm using to pour over myself before soaking, or I use cheesecloth to wrap the herbs and toss that into the tub. It never makes a mess. As for curses, yes, I've done them. Only two led to very dramatic consequences, one in a similar circumstance to what you mentioned that resulted in a lost business, home, and arrest, the other in a child abuse case that led to arrest and loss of custody. I've never regretted that, and I don't feel like I suffered any sort of backlash or bad luck afterward. I helped people who needed it get justice they were otherwise denied. I can think of few better uses for magic.

[@tabularasa]

I'm not familiar with the threefold law, but my gut tells me that cursing cheaters is just fine. I had been married to my ex for 12 years when I finally learned that he had been sleeping with random people the entire time. He was exceptionally good at hiding it from me. From that moment on, my trust was shattered, my world was ruined. I divorced him. My first reaction was to bury all that pain and attempt to start a new life elsewhere. But it was not sustainable. Not until years later, when I finally started vocalizing all of the wrath that I felt, and channelling it with intention, did I begin to feel better. It gave me a sense of control over my feelings, which up to that point were scattered and scary and difficult to comprehend. Channeling them started to give me back the peace that he had destroyed. Have bad things happened to him since? Yes, because he is a bad person. He deserves all of it and more. I hope it continues. My actions are definitely in accordance with my conscience. I have no choice but to be anchored to him. He stole 12 years of my life. I'll never get those years back, but cursing him brings a satisfaction that is difficult to explain. Is karma or cosmic justice real? I don't think it matters. If one steps out of line enough, things happen, inevitably. Funny that you mention Musk. I sense that his life isn't actually charmed at all. It seems quite empty. All of his personal relationships falter. His grown children can't stand him. And with all the (justified) bad will towards him these days, I wouldn't be surprised if he's the next United Healthcare CEO something something something. In this nouveau gilded age, I get the feeling that we are headed for some very interesting times ahead. When people have nothing left to lose, the pitchforks really come out. Just as an aside: Your former spouse wasn't "forced to hide devotion in secrecy." He could have been a grownup, and talked about it. He could have been open about his feelings, he could have gone to counseling with you, he could have left your relationship if it was irreconcilable. Instead, he kept you hanging on for years, like the liar he was. I'm surprised that you give him as much grace as you do. And "happily ever after" is never how things work. Once a cheater, always a cheater. That's generally how it goes. Appreciate the video though! It got me thinking about things...

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

My point was that my ex's view on the situation was wildly different to mine, and if he took a lie detector test whilst saying it, I'm positive he'd pass. I'm not gonna lie - I had a hard time back in 2017-2019, and if I believed in the Rule of Three, I would have thought that I'd done some utterly appalling somewhere and blocked it out. But I treated people honestly, even when maybe they didn't deserve it, and I know I am content with how I conducted myself, and at the end of the day, that's all you can do. As another commenter said, "To thine own self be true." Also: I'll never EVER judge another person grieving in the middle of the kind of situation you've gone through. Hex away, my friend, if the situation calls for it!

[@tabularasa]

@@GrumpyOldCrone lol thank you, I needed a little validation today, much appreciated 🙏 And I do understand about the ex, that his viewpoint was wildly different, but there still is an objective truth there, that his silence and secrecy and lying-by-omission was decidedly *_not_* an ethical or honorable path to take. Regardless of his viewpoint, his choice of *_action_* showed him to be cowardly and wrong. There are a lot of issues that come up in relationships that can be thorny and complicated, and placing blame or judging fairness can end up in a lot of grey area for everyone involved. But when it comes to deliberate lack of communication, especially when the intent is to hide one's true feelings or actions, I feel that this silence is objectively wrong, in all cases. I'm glad that you are content with things, and doing much better now. I enjoy your channel!

[@Zoopop13]

defined, happiness is a long term contentment. sound of mind, body, spirit, emotion, etc. im taking a wellness class for my psych and substance use degrees. its basically the famous Harvard happiness class that you have to get put on a wait list and hope you get picked your senior year. but what we think is happiness often is the hedonistic things. we equate pleasure with happiness and theyre not the same!!! happiness is longevity, pleasure or what we think is happy is these short dopamine hits: a concert, a book, seeing a friend, a fave food. all pleasure, not true happiness.

[@1095tokoyo]

Rules and paradigms based on numbers and numerology are innately cultural &/or personal. Not all are in threes, or will happen as such. Luck is not quantifiable-it is as the Universe decides, and what happens is what's deemed fair. A wise witch once told me: "If you cannot sue or press charges, move on. Use your magic to bring what you want to see in the world; use it for good and not spite." That being said, a well-timed hex can just as much be a blessing for many as much as it is a curse for one.

[@obann8810]

I've always followed the concept of "Do what you will but harm none unless in defense." Works well fo me.

[@highfive7689]

I have to tell you that your no nonsense approach is refreshing. I don't believe in the rule three, but I see things this way. I practice for the connection to world it gives me, and moments of joy that I get when nice things happen to me and the world around me that I can affirm that I cause. And no nothing very big - lol. I've also had caused to do the same as you. Very very rarely, since I am mindful when I have done so of consequences to my life. My experience has been that your curse can be cast too wide in it's area of affect. Whether it be a neighborhood family or a full department at the workplace, for example. That's when the ripples hit many and act like a large rock in the pool. You see the ripples return stronger back to you. Overwhelming you like a miasma, or a shadow. In any case that's my thoughts. Loved your talk. This is the second one I've been able catch. I am looking forward to binge watching your earlier vlogs. Cheers and a great New Year to you!

[@justinscott4245]

I really loved this message! Of course it lines up with overall tarot readings for this month. I’ve been a little lacking on my spiritual upkeep but finally did a full moon ritual bath and then I found myself reading again after a 2 week break and did a little spell after feeling disconnected from my magick 😅. Give yourself grace and rest during the winter and the grim state of the world loves!

[@Bubletraveler]

Another fabulous video, thank you 🙏. I love the idea of a shower with a bouquet garnie in some cheese I used to have a book that was gifted to me called “the little book of crap” and two of my favourite pieces of advice are If you have a problem in life then write it on the back of a stamp. Stick it to an envelope. There you are the problem is gone. And the other was , if you are are at a funeral and feeling sad then start to dance others may join in. Blessings to you xx ❤

[@KJ-wh8fu]

Delightful and wise!😊❤

[@lista2308]

I always considered "the law of three" more of a warning. To be prepared to face consequences when doing harm to others and to accept thanks when doing good

[@summerfoley2481]

My hair is down to my butt and I have totally experienced the dry and sticky hair thing. It's... and experience...

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

It's like a miracle. The WORST miracle. The only thing that comes close is the time I helped my ex-father-in-law knock down a wall in my old Victorian house that was coated in lime plaster. I was taking the debris outside, and it was raining. So my hair got wet. And then I walked through lime plaster dust. Repeat over and over. My hair looked like I was an ancient Celt getting ready for battle. Do not recommend.

[@naturalwitchery]

All I have to do is look at Donald Trump to know that the rule of three is not how the world works!🤮

[@lessarey]

New subscriber! Stateside here. I don’t have a bathtub. I don’t miss it either lol. My husband needed an ADA shower, so we had 1/4 of our bathroom turned into one. Now I’m spoiled 😊

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

I occasionally have to dust our tub. We almost ALWAYS have showers. I'm also in the lucky UK minority in that I have excellent water pressure, so get a good amount of hot water in my shower (not the burning hot dribble that most people seem to experience over here!)

[@GoddessJLP]

This is my favourite KZbin channel to watch right now! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.

[@Jodie-McDowell]

The 3 fold law feels very… Christian. Ick! Fear mongering, too. I’m studying herbalism and have heaps of plants for potion and medicine making. A good cup of herbal tea properly made is delightful!! I stopped using bath bombs and turned to making bath salts and milk baths so the essential oils are incorporated. I use reusable bags so I don’t have any clean up.

[@annamaybe5791]

Yeah no. Properly made tea made from scratch (and not from a tea bag) is beyond lovely and I drink it regularly. And you are hilarious. Can’t wait to be offended by what you dis on next! 😂😂😂

[@linkkitten]

Just found your channel and oh my goddess am I glad. You make so much sense, you provided good, insightful perspectives and I like how you are true to yourself unapologetically. You have a new subscriber!

[@curlyt8899]

Yes, yes, yes and yes again! Also the not hexing the ex: Well done and Congratulations on that ( likened to drinking from a poisoned well in order to cure yourself) Cheers looking forward to your next broadcast x

[@mackenziedrake]

Bath bombs are nice, but I learned when starting out from writers who had to heat and prepare their own bathwater, so brewing an infusion as a pour-over or sponge bath, followed by fresh water and/or some kind of shower seemed the most obvious way to take a cleansing bath. They're also the easiest thing to clean up without breaking the mood before ritual, IMO. Happiness and contentment are excellent goals to maintain at home, and where you can, really. Enough health and enough wealth that you can take some time to pause and read something you enjoy with a favorite beverage is something i wish for us all.

[@canopusstar5157]

The only and last ‘ritual bath’ I had was at my initiation back in ‘87 or so. I had been a solitary before that and after it ended in 2000 I returned to that for the most part. I don’t like baths and now I am semi-crippled by the broken leg/ankle which, altho healed, will never be like before. Therefore getting in and out of a bath is life threatening. Even showers are daunting. BTW, Malbec, known as ‘the black wine of the Quercy’ was drunk at the wedding of Henry II and Eleanore of Aquataine! Cheers!

[@jenb7756]

My big problem with things like karma or the three-fold law is that it an so easily turn into victim blaming. Lots of people go through sucky things who don't deserve them

[@rvanderjagt5944]

I occasionally do a ritual purification shower by putting the requisite ingredients in a bowl of warm water, saying an incantation over it, and then just pouring that over myself. Because I'm not a huge bath person, and the Lush bath bomb bath story reminds me why.

[@erikarois]

Thank you. You video came up in my feed several times today. I needed to heat that my negative thoughts are not breaking all the things in my house. Ok so my therapist told me that too. I needed the souls rest a good fantasy novel can bring. And I think I need to work on my little stories. Thank you.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

Oh, I'm so pleased! I hope you feel in control and have a great day tomorrow! (I have insomnia so am writing this at 4:30am GMT!)

[@ceciliajones7816]

You can put the herbs in a reusable cloth teabag so you don’t have the herbal detritus left in the tub or clogging your drain.

[@helensmith945]

I do the same thing with herbs in a bit of cheesecloth hanging from the tap when I run a ritual bath. No mess, no clean up 🎉

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

I'm totally going to try this next time I have a bath. I don't know why I didn't think of it before.

[@petoperceptum]

I've found the trick to magic has been to read much and ignore most. You know the good stuff when you see it and they arent always in books of magic. Karma vs the threefold law is such for me. Evil begets evil, but don't confuse that cause and effect for justice. If you find yourself in a position to be karma's agent, consider that all karma wants is to bind us to its pattern of evil for evil. It is a net, not a set of scales.

[@linpollitt8950]

Hello Annie! I found your channel a few days ago and I've been catching up with your videos. You are a breath of fresh air and I feel inspired to revitalise my practices. I've been in touch with my spirituality ever since childhood but only felt drawn to witchcraft 3 years ago through one of my best friends, who has been practising for quite some time. Neither of us is a "joiner". I've met a few self proclaimed priestesses and, frankly, have been unimpressed! I don't care for rules or hierarchy. So my friend and I celebrate and work together or individually. I have a lot to learn and, in you, I may have found a good teacher. Like you I'm drawn to Gaia, our Earth Mother. I could open up massively to you but I don't want to ramble on. So there are 2 things I want to say and then I'll bugger off! The first is to ask if you're an Aries? I am and it takes one to know one ♈🐏 The second is to say that Mr Grumpy is a mighty fine man and I wouldn't mind one like him 😂 Thank you and Blessed Be xxx

[@peridot1706]

Few things in modern paganism are more misunderstood than the Wiccan Rede and Rule of Three. Briefly... tldr 1: Context matters. While the word "wicca" gets applied to all sorts of things, traditional Wiccan concepts are exclusively for and about... *Wiccan initiates*. Not solitaries, not eclectics, not any other type of witch or pagan. tldr 2: Neither the Rede or 3Fold is emphasized in traditional Wicca, they're not taught to be universal laws (gasp!). That attribution (or accusation) they are was made by everyone else. tldr 3: *The Threefold does not imply what people think it does.* It is not about the universe heaping rewards or punishment in X-amount on anyone (gasp!). In context, it pertains to the actions of the initiate. tldr 4: Subsequently, non-initiates either try to abide by or hate on what's really distorted info. And give the Rede & 3Fold far, FAR more attention than is found within the practice they come from.

[@lauriehall7841]

The salt from the bath bomb will also make a metal tub start to rust.

[@johnfrancis6940]

Everything in this video are topics that I’ve discussed with my girlfriend for the past week. And weirdly, she worked for lush, and has already mentioned that when she moves in with me because I have an oversized tub we’re going to take a lush bath bomb bath. Also, I spend a considerable amount of time, keeping her from tasting things like candles and wax melts. I mean a little nibble isn’t bad I guess.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

I'm a nibbler. I feel so guilty. You are a good partner for stopping her!

[@Kaimad3it]

i LOVE what you have to say about the 3 fold law. thank you for sharing your story too, bravo

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

You are so welcome!

[@DeAnnaG_KissingFrogsMedia]

Agree with you, thank you for putting voice to it re pretty much everything. PS. bathbombs with bits of herbage get put in a mesh bag, herbal baths get the same thing as an herbal shower with the teabag approach. I'm not a fan of cleaning the tub after a good soak so I generally stick with some epsom salts, and a few scented candles and a cuppa tea or cocoa or adult beverage to sip while I soak. If I use oils, I will grab the dawn dish soap spray the tub down, get dried off and then rinse the tub with some very hot water through the handheld shower head. The dish soap removes the oils no scrubbing necessary.

[@GrumpyOldCrone]

I have not tried washing up liquid/dish soap. I may have to do that....

[@francinem4944]

like many others watching you, i connect to what you speak about at a deep level, perhaps as a woman of a similar age, drawn to nature and the conundrums of life, (20ish year relationship with 2 kids/friends who shape us). i think we are caught up in the beliefs of 'good' and 'bad', but they're equal forces of energy (+ and -), and i've learned, from the global plan, to appreciate 'evil', they're doing the work that makes us break free of the paradigm. and agree about avoiding sanderson on account of his immense popularity, altho his story-telling abilities are the stuff of many how-to-write-great-fiction vids (altho with some grammar issues? but those don't matter if the story is great!) as is your ability, Mistress Grumpy! love from canada, and appreciate the recommendation of york gold!!!

[@malithion5046]

This is why I loathe the "Threefold Law." It is a moralizing construct that favors the privileged. If the system works for them, if they aren't deprived or wronged or oppressed, they have no need for malefice. If society favors them, if they don't suffer or struggle often, if their lives are easy and gilded, and if they feel the need to hold moral superiority to rationalize their preeminence, then they will denounce hexes and curses, because these have no use to them. But by signaling their virtue, they can paint themselves as noble, and that perception can be useful to those trying to increase acceptance of a new religious movement. But I am interested in knowledge, and power, and the power in knowing. And I know enough to know the world is not innately just, and that it is up to all of us to make it so.

[@ellacowin9974]

If you *need* an over simplification of how things work: Do as You Will shall be the whole of the Law. Love is the Law. Love under Will.

[@jadelee6363]

I really loved your cosmic justice explanation. Never thought about situations like that, and I am really grateful for your insight! Very eye opening!