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[@Zach984racer]

Annette: Professor, I’m okay with fighting whoever, but I really don’t want to fight my father. Me: ok, no one but Annette gets to fight Gilbert for all future battles.

[@nintendosega100]

I do it for my catharsis. She’s perfectly equipped to kill him too.

[@boshwa20]

Gotta get that unique dialogue!!!1!

[@BlackfangDragon]

What Catharsis? By the end of it all killing her father doesn't make her happy.

[@LordDrystan]

@@BlackfangDragon Yeah, she just wanted her father to come home, not dead.

[@oddiseyaatrox2813]

@@LordDrystan I know, but I still want to get that dialogue between both

[@moltz4866]

Constance in the Holy Tomb: I will never join you Edelgard! No matter your reasons for attacking this place! *Byleth joins Edelgard* Constance after the Holy Tomb: Ok so Edelgard actually explained to me why she's doing this and I kind of agree with her so...oops?

[@popkhorne5372]

Well she did get the chance to talk to El in detail hohoho

[@zolphdiggler9653]

That's most students reaction tbh. I mean look at how either unflinching loyal or vehemently opposed to her Petra or Ferdinand are dependent on if they actually hear her reasoning or not.

[@floricel_112]

that's ironically in character. She's extremely....how should I put it...indecisive, and whenever a new perspective is presented to her, she's quick to agree with it

[@popkhorne5372]

@@floricel_112 improvise, adapt, overcome.

[@BlackfangDragon]

Hey don't discount Constance. She actually forced Edelgard to spill her past too. The power of OHOHOHOHOHO in Japanese and exuding pride.

[@TheCommonJoo]

Students are like: For Edelgard: Oh my god, everything she said is true. Against Edelgard: Shes crazy. She needs to go down. Both: we'll join you cuz we love you professor.

[@joegreen3802]

Yeah. While some may have personal reasons to want to see Edelgard's goal come to life, all but Hubert seems to be doing this more for Byleth than Edelgard

[@bessieburnet9816]

@@joegreen3802 Yeah, I mean, just look at the Black Eagles. If Byleth does Silver Snow, they're like "Yeah, she's crazy and deserves to go down" but if Byleth does Crimson Flower they're all "Yeah, I guess she's cool."

[@joegreen3802]

Bessie Burnet well in fairness, Edelgard dose mellow out a bit if Byleth is by her side.

[@bessieburnet9816]

@@joegreen3802 Yeah, I know.

[@ishidamatsui8261]

To be fair, is as well in the other routes, "we love Byleth".

[@starseeker3002]

The virgin Dimitri: kill every last one of them The chadelgard: recruit every last one of them

[@FelixFalora]

Except Hilda. Kill her because... she deserves it, I guess.

[@oddiseyaatrox2813]

@@FelixFalora not neccesarily. Hilda isnt obligatory in Deirdru

[@FelixFalora]

@@oddiseyaatrox2813 Yeah, I didn't realize you could let her live. Though it IS very difficult.

[@oddiseyaatrox2813]

@@FelixFalora use Wyvern Knight Edelgard. She just flies over all terrain. Make sure to kill Nader for his Shield though

[@jona_toro5282]

The irony in this is that in AM, if you recruit everyone, there are only 3 major deaths (Edelgard, Hubert and Jeritza), the less compared to the other 3 routes, but well, CF has optional major deaths like Seteth, Flayn and Claude so it's ok

[@AndrewA60]

I think its pretty clear which houses most suit each individual wolf. Constance and Hapi in the Black Eagles, Balthus in Golden Deer. Yuri is wildcard. Constance because of her connections with the empire and her goal to revive her house, Hapi because of her hatred of the church, and Balthus because of his relationship with Hilda and her brother. Yuri would go to whatever side Byleth is in because he would choose to fight for the winning side

[@strawbones5795]

Yes. But when Yuri was originally at the Academy, before abyss, he was a blue lion. He said so himself

[@WilliamBeasley]

@@strawbones5795 yeah but he doesn't have any loyalty to the Kingdom

[@acedaybreaker2545]

I made Hapi a Blue Lion for revenge against Cornelia

[@AndrewA60]

@@acedaybreaker2545 if I remember correctly, you also kill Cornelia in the Black Eagle route

[@SMt155]

Hapi has supports with Dimitri, so I always considered her a blue lion.

[@HIERARCHYOFMEMES]

Hapi actually having a nickname for Edelgard kinda surprised me. Like, it’s always weird for me to see characters refer to characters that they don’t have supports with. Speaking of which, with their mutual hatred of the church, she and Edelgard should absolutely have supports.

[@BlackfangDragon]

One support per Lord. Otherwise Yuri would have gotten one with Claude because they're shown to get along great in Cindered Shadows. Not to mention Edelgard doesn't care about her mom. Hapi and Dimitri do.

[@EmiRaptor]

HIERARCHY yeah I know right? I’m pretty sure she calls Hubert the Bert haha

[@bessieburnet9816]

@@BlackfangDragon I guess, but I just feel that because Hapi knew her mum that they should support. It would be interesting.

[@lucaspiano76]

She has nicknames for almost everybody she has one for Claude and Judith in golden dear although I forgot them and she probably has one for seteh in silver snow or something

[@lukerosales5879]

Both Hapi and Edelgard were experimented on by the Agarthans. It would've made an interesting support line, but I'm happy that Hapi validated to Dimitri that Patricia really did love him like her own son right up until she was duped by Cornelia.

[@rinnychan8]

Every time I see Felix in any route that isn’t BL it feels like I kicked a puppy bc that man is perpetually sad if you take time away from the Blue Lions

[@jokelethkurueisner9229]

Most heroic stories involve rebellion against an empire. This story (or this version of the story) takes a reversal: an empire rebelling against a dominant (perhaps manipulative) religion.

[@shadowsquid1351]

This ain't heroic at all, it's the villain's route, just because ypu can play their side doesn't make it right, just like FE: Conquest before. Killing innocent ppl defending themselves from the empire's tyranny is evil, conquering long standing peaceful countries because we want to centralize power into a supreme ruler is more evil. It would be heroic if Edie worked in her own empire, fixed it & never invaded the other poor people. TWSitD are the evil ones, Rhea ain't that, church has way more good than bad, not to mention Rhea/church aren't in the empire to begin with.

[@yoshikiawano7764]

While starting a war rarely is "morally good", mantaing the status quo of Fodlan is equaly so. Yes, the Church of Seiros does benevolent acts like cultivate talent and defend the populace with the Knights of Seiros, it also invest in mantain the current status which enshines nobility based on Crest and the Seiros faith over all else. While Rhea is not "evil", we cannot use arguments that say she did nothing wrong.

[@shadowsquid1351]

@@yoshikiawano7764 If Edie's war was in her own country I wouldn't be so against it, since her territory is the most screwed & it wouldn't include invasion/conquest of the other 2 peaceful countries that have their own rulers, regimes, reforms, people & ethics of their own. It's like if the US invaded Canada & Mexico by military force in hope for complete conquest because they wanted to run their countries in the US's own vision! Here's the thing where the story makes no sense, crests aren't to blame & u see how in every other route they're not even brought up, how they are mended without war (Hanneman). They're a personal problem to Edie herself, but to kill all these ppl in other countries because she doesn't like crests or because few nobles suffered at the hands of TWSitD is delusional. Rhea doesn't "control" Fodlan, since every country has a ruler, she has an influence yes but no control. What's worse is the empire didn't have Rhea or the southern church since they were kicked out from the empire 120 years ago. The nobility "problem" in Edie's case was not really a problem but more of a corrupt regime that can happen in any government, she was more angry about them taking power from her father, her father wanted to centralize all the power into himself & disregard the nobility who helped establish & govern the empire, that is why the insurrection of the 7 happened, due to the greedy emperor's actions & his aspiration to become a supreme ruler. I can't blame the 7 houses for reacting that way tbh at least in this instance, the experiments by TWSitD is a different issue ofc. But yeah the story in CF specially made no sense whatsoever, except at a very surface level, u need to disregard your brain & just blaze through it.

[@jokelethkurueisner9229]

@Diddy Kong You’re right. Edie is pretty evil. I mean at the end of her route, she goes so far as to burn Fhirdiad with civilians still inside... ... oh wait... was that Edelgard’s doing?

[@jokelethkurueisner9229]

@Yoshiki Awano basically, yeah. None of the sides of the story are morally good. Each has their flaws, and Edelgard’s flaws shine in three routes. In Edelgard’s own route, it is Rhea’s flaws that shine brighter as her inner rage is revealed.

[@bigred3825]

Byleth and Edelgard turn the entire fucking school against Seiros, 1180 PIF colourized

[@lukerosales5879]

Was anyone expecting Hapi to now openly trash the Church? 😂

[@inky_the_inkling3908]

Luke Rosales kinda she hates the church

[@lukerosales5879]

@@inky_the_inkling3908 she hates them with a passion, I was expecting her to say so much nasty shit about it 😂

[@maxrichards3881]

@@lukerosales5879 Yeah, I want to let 'em have it, but Eddy said this is a T-Rated game. Guess she and the Bert can break the fourth wall too.

[@wanderlustwarrior]

Everyone sides against Edelgard: " -Azula- Edelgard is crazy and needs to go down." (self-fulfilling prophecy, and makes the war longer and worse) Everyone sides with Edelgard: "She actually raised a *lot* of really valid reforms, held back the bad people since we helped her instead, listened to reason, stepped down once she'd installed a meritocracy, and was a good person when you get to know her. Sucks that Dimitri and Rhea had to die, but they basically became murder obsessed rage beasts, so it was kind of unavoidable." Felix: "My life sucks either way." Claude and Seteth: "I strongly disapprove of your methods. But if we had reasons to trust each other back at the Academy, we could've come to an agreement. Such a cruel world we live in. Good luck. I'm going home." Catherine and the Knights: Set fire to a city, can still be avoided in direct combat.

[@bob1986]

But that's the tragedy isn't it. Yes Edelgard actually does alot of good if you help her and had valid reasons for her actions, but it requires an insane amount of good faith in her to join up in the first place since she is, as far as one can tell actively working with the people that have been harassing Byleth and the monstary all game, almost killed Flayn and Manuela, actually DID kill Jeralt nearly got Byleth lost in another dimension forever and Sothis needed to (as far as Byleth could tell at the time anyway) sacrifice herself to save them and so on. And Edelgard never explains or tries to justify herself until after you join up with her, and as an enemy NEVER does. And in comparison the only counter viewpoints is that Jeralt was kind of suspicious of Rhea something that he even admits he might have been wrong about shortly before he dies. As a result, while Byleth joining Edelgard might make things turn out ok on that end it's just as logical from their point of view to believe Edelgard is just this crazy dangerous person that needs to be put down and there's no reason to ever believe a word she says.

[@DimT670]

@@bob1986 how incredible and fake her plan sounds at first glance and the fact it requires good will to be explained is literally why she doesn't explain it tho. Like ofc she only explains it to those that are with her how would she be supposed to explain it to ppl actively trying to kill her who aren't even poised to trust and believe her. There's a reason she explains only after you go to her coronation, it shows you are willing to listen. Most others don't do that Also you do have counter view points. The church doing a sectarian war with you as a puppet, rheas plans for you, the church killing ppll etc. You are supposed to wonder hey maybe the ppl I'm with who carry executions of captives they don't like with no trials aren't the good guys here?

[@LeoWhat707]

Remember they had seen the Archbishop turn into a dragon before joining Edelgard’s side

[@Erowax]

That’s exactly how I would justify the reason why most of our students would join the Revolution. Sure, some of them have their own reasons, but wouldn’t accept violence as a mean to bring down the crest system, especially Lysithea, who directly witnessed the Archbishop going mad and talking about experiments (which would probably be the last straw for her). As for Ingrid (whom I didn’t recruit), one of her supports (with Felix more specifically) is about choosing either blind loyalty and fighting for their beliefs (hence their dialogue in chapter 16). She can’t just return to the Kingdom army which is still loyal to the Church when she witnessed the events of the Holy Church. That reality check takes priority over her affiliation with the Kingdom, which takes priority over her personal/familial crest issues (considering that she was this devoted to her homeland).

[@Fulgore2005]

Increasing support with the students makes recruiting them easier too. So the way I see it, the students thought it better to side with a very capable individual who they get on with than side with an unhinged archbishop.

[@BlazinVoid59]

Honestly I had gotten the impression from the times I played that all they knew was that one sec Rhea was there, and the next moment a giant dragon is flying amisdt all the chaos

[@bessieburnet9816]

I'm definitely gonna try to recruit every student that would have a grudge against Crests and the Church onto my Crimson Flower playthroughs. They would definitely accept Edelgard's cause in theory.

[@maxrichards3881]

Bessie Burnet I’ll need a full list, because there are 16 recruitable characters in Crimson Flower. The 6 Blue Lions, the 6 Golden Deer, Alois, Shamir, and the professors. Here’s my picks for definite Empire suppporters: Lysithea - Her friendship with Edelgard is too good to pass up. Felix - “I’m not coming back! I won’t serve the boar!” Sylvain - He hates what the crest system did to his brother. Ingrid - I can see her being disgusted by Dimitri’s misguided revenge quest. Ashe & Lorenz - They flat out abandon their houses for the empire in the pro-church routes. Raphael - “I may have lived on Alliance land, but that doesn’t mean I served their lords.” Mercedes - I cant pass up her reuniting with and fighting alongside Jeritza. Also, she said she wants to help people, even without the church. Marianne - She looks up to Edelgard for her Radiant Strength, willing to make an Enemy of half the continent to realize her ideals. Alois & Leonie - Their loyalty is to Jeralt, and he told Byleth not to let his guard down against Rhea. Shamir - She sympathizes with Byleth, as she’s a mercenary who was brought into the knights, but she never really felt like she belonged there. Hanneman; (Edit: I saw his support conversations with Edelgard) He despises the crest-centric nobility, and is taking the Syndrome approach. (Everyone can have crests, so they won't be special anymore.) Manuela; After hearing that Rhea ordered Byleth to murder his own student, she’ll be quick to ditch Rhea. Ignatz & Annette - They don’t really have much reason to join the empire, and their deaths can be entirely avoided, so I say, don’t bother recruiting them, just make sure not to kill them.

[@neptune-waltzesinvoid]

Max Richards I killed every student and faculty in my path. To make matters worse, I killed Annette with Mercedes.

[@AndrewA60]

@@maxrichards3881 tbf Ignatz is hard to avoid since he's right smack in the middle of the map

[@maxrichards3881]

@@AndrewA60 That's funny, I didn't even engage the guy, or Leonie, or Annette, on my first playthrough. I only ever killed Ashe, because the path he was on was the easiest to traverse, aside from Catherine, but I was WAY too scared of Thunderbrand after what she did with it in chapter 12 and the Brigid Paralogue. I never even heard "Paths that will never cross" until I fought Lysithea with Sylvain and Jeritza at Derdriu. (I only recruited Alois, the professors, and Dimitri's friend trinity.)

[@wanderlustwarrior]

@@maxrichards3881 I think Manuela joins Edelgard if not recruited, plus their support is informative. Ignatz also strongly believes in her by the end, right? Annette has reason to oppose the church. Raphael should be paired with Bernadetta. I say the only character who shouldn't be recruited is Felix, since it makes him a worse, unhappy person. But for shipping purposes, recruit him anyway, and pair him with Leonie. They become so good at being mercenaries, they put themselves out of business (and become clowns).

[@exgn5698]

2:23 so if you didn't recruit Yuri, will he say something different? 🤔

[@tagukami]

That line about Yuri is omitted if you don’t have Yuri. The rest of the convo is the same.

[@lucaspiano76]

What happens if you don’t recruit the ashen wolves? Do they come back post time skip or what

[@tagukami]

Lucas Hunter pretty sure they just don’t show up

[@keybladeguardian7]

All the more reason I must have the ashen wolves to be in the crimson flower

[@bessieburnet9816]

I think they would definitely join Edelgard.

[@lucaspiano76]

Bessie Burnet I think balthus would side with Claude, Yuri would not choose a side, Constance would join the empire, and hapi probably Dimitri or maybe the empire idk

[@colorbenja6163]

@@lucaspiano76 I think Hapi might go with the empire because if Edelgard's cruzade involves getting rid of the church I can see her comming aboard, Yuri would probably side with whoever can assure the well-being of the abyss, I agree with Balthus and CoCo

[@mikeperez8476]

-Students that would join the empire- Felix. Sylvain. Lorenz. Leonie. Lysithea. - - - Felix probably will join because he hates chivalry and knighthood witch technically is the same as the nobility system. Both Sylvain and Lysithea’s families were victims of crest related incident’s. Leonie knew about Jeralt’s suspensions about rhea and promised to protect Byleth. And House glouster was forced to serve the empire (according to my knowledge.)

[@style_1023]

felix joins pre time skip and then regrets it post

[@ashen_roses]

Ashe also seems likely- at least, not likely to side with the church at all

[@maxrichards3881]

I have some additions to make: Mercedes, because Jeritza is there. Marianne, because she looks up to Edelgard.

[@BlazinVoid59]

House Gloucester wasn't forced to serve the empire. Lorenz's father sided with them as they directly bordered the empire and would most likely fall if they were to stay allied to the Leicester Alliance. Even Lorenz said if it wasn't for his loyalty to the Leicester Alliance it would have made sense for him to also help the Adrestian Empire.

[@FireEmblemElitist]

I always liked how you could make an argument for any Blue Lions character going with either side (with the obvious exceptions of Dedue and Dimitri). They all have enough baggage and bad experiences with the crest and nobility systems where it would make sense for them to ally themselves with the empire while they also have enough national pride and ties to the kingdom that it could also make sense for them to stand with the kingdom.

[@ninjaxmaster.]

Oke, the most of the best characters are there but... Is there Gatekeeper?

[@WilliamBeasley]

Actually that isn't him it's his twin brother

[@zaneheaston8254]

Can't we just get a new gatekeeper?

[@Shieldwolf_64]

Is it just me or does Ingrid not fit in this route

[@shleephyseep1671]

Ingrid had said it herself, to secure her family's future. Her non-BL ending suggests she ruled the seized House Galatea instead of being a knight

[@yoshikiawano7764]

Honestly, it offer a really interesting alternate outcome that her character didn't had on AM.

[@jas8288]

its rlly out of character

[@tuvarkz9324]

Ingrid has seen the uglyness of the crest system and there is a justice to Edelgard's goals despite her methods and allies.

[@floricel_112]

@@tuvarkz9324 well, yeah, but first and foremost she is a knight through and through, devoted to king and country and all that sweet jazz

[@DarkLore1992]

So does nobody even know that Alois, Shamir, Manuela, and Hanneman can be recruited before the timeskip and have conversations here? Yes I know they aren't students, but seems wasted.

[@starkillahx]

They dont appear until your back at the academy

[@DarkLore1992]

@@starkillahx On my run they did appear in this area.

[@Bleeperblopper497]

@@DarkLore1992 what did they say?

[@DarkLore1992]

@@Bleeperblopper497 I only really recall Alois questioning the church or something. It's been a long time.

[@heinkelboy0551]

Quick question. Think you can do similar videos for the other routes? Is that possible or no? Just asking because I figured it could be interesting to see.

[@samuelocker2594]

Just at a curiosity, can you recruit either one of the four students, or do you have to recruit all four of them?

[@ShirakoZXTV]

its the same as any other character you recruit. Nothing changes

[@samuelocker2594]

@@ShirakoZXTV So either one, good to know because I'm trying to complete every support conversation in the list, right now I'm still on Crimson Flower, with just one spot left.

[@Mary_Studios]

@@samuelocker2594 Wait do you have limited spots of recruitment or are you just talking about who you can send to battle?

[@ssjgotenks2009]

way slvin hair oregne in my copy if the game has is red

[@arcaneaegis4614]

It’s funny heading Ferdinand talking about Greedy and ARROGANT, even though the HES the Arrogant One 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

[@worthywill9294]

REACHING

[@11tw48]

Most of the students don't fit here at all. Mercedes especially has absolutely no reason to think that the Goddess would be against the church as it is. Honestly Crimson Flower would make more sense if certain students refused to follow you, staying behind like Flayn. The game giving you a free pass for supporting a fascistic imperial regime launching a unilateral war of aggression is... interesting. This is before you remember that Flayn's kidnapping was absolutely done on Edelgard's orders (those were Flame Emperor soldiers) - Edelgard is absolutely responsible for most of the bad stuff that happens during part 1, and her having a super secret (and convoluted) plan for defeating TWSITD doesn't cut it. Her plan to beat them involves giving them absolutely everything they want, which is a bad start. Yeah so Remire, Flayn's near death, Manuela's near death, Jeralt's death (committed by a murderous spy that Edelgard and Hubert protected from detection) - all on Edelgard. So guess who shouldn't be here? Most of the cast. Leonie, Mercedes, Lysithea, Ingrid... you get the idea. Oh and the game avoids having to confront this by removing Sothis just before all this plays out. She isn't allowed to voice her opinion. She's removed from the narrative, so you get to go on your genocidal spree against the Nabateans without having her inside your head pricking your conscience. But Edelgard is a cute GF or whatever, so great XD

[@demijaymes]

I agree with you on a lot of points but there are reasons Mercedes would join. Remember that Byleth literally fused with the Goddess. Therefore, Mercie's logic is that Byleth- an extension of the Goddess- is trying to fight corruption in the church to restore it. She also pretty much knows at this point that her brother is Jeritza/The Death Knight and knows by joining Edelgard (his superior), she's guaranteed to reunite with him. And if you read their supports, she makes it very clear that she would allow him to kill her as the DK because she feels immense guilt over abandoning him and blames herself for his other personality. She would literally do anything to see her brother again. Leonie makes sense here for the same reasons as Alois. She promised Jeralt (her hero) that she would look after Byleth if anything ever happened to him. So if Byleth had already recruited her, she stays with them to honor that promise. She also comes to respect Byleth as much as she respects Jeralt. And unlike Alois, she knew Jeralt didn't trust Rhea. Lysithea despises the crest system and has been through the same thing as Edelgard. Because of how manipulative and persuasive Edel is, she convinces Lysithea the only way to destroy the system is her way. So I'd say on this route, the only characters who have good reasons to join are Mercedes, Leonie, Alois, Shamir, Ashe, Marianne, Lysithea, Lorenz, Manuela, Hanneman, the Ashen Wolves (except maybe Balthus), and MAYBE Sylvain. I do agree that Mercedes and Leonie do have as many reasons to oppose as join though. Lysithea will surrender and ask to join after being defeated as an enemy, partially out of self-preservation and partially because she wants the crest system and nobility abolished. Edit: This coming from a very anti-Edelgard person who disagrees with her ideals and actions. CF is also my least favorite route.

[@asentertainment1850]

@Leif literally steps down and abolishes nobilty. "Omg fascist!" Op didn't play the game.

[@worthywill9294]

Leonie: how could side with empire knowing they were connected to jeralt's death..... answer me. Answer me you traitor...... You understand that as far as leonie is concerned empire is responsible... she wouldn't be wrong either it's literally edelgard's fault that kronya got to move around like she did in the monastery

[@Yeetbc]

@@worthywill9294 and then kronya, and eventually the rest of those who slither in the dark, get killed by Edelgard in CF. Although mostly offscreen, they do pay for their crimes

[@trash1170]

Chill fella, not everyone’s moral compasses is the same

[@Rutawind]

This route just feels evil lol