All the Bots Got Banned

[@shounic]

edit: hi hi, just wanna say be cautious about the 16k number. the whole thing is super noisy. we can't really know the wave size unless bot hosters want to tell us exactly how much they went up or down by. the 16k is mixed in with normal players coming in and out from steam maintenance, it could be idle bots being affected (they didn't come back, or got banned too lol), the timing steam polled player numbers, etc. regardless though it did look different to the previous tuesday downtime on the charts, there was two system messages* sent out about server downtime, where the last time they did that was (apparently) once on Oct 1, 2022, and you can hop in game and see the very clear lack of bots. i'm not aware of any exhaustive up to date list of bots globally so it'd be hard to make any estimations of the wave size. sorry if i caused any confusion here :> * tf2 system messages: x.com/TFSysMessages topic 2: i can't personally verify it but community bans are seemingly a big tent that encapsulates lots of varying kinds of bans underneath it. i've gotten reports that community bans do block access to VAC servers, and this reply (to this comment) that's seemingly a good summary of the lay of things: @polistirex Hi shounic, wanted to say, community bans will in some occasions but not always prevent you from joining a VAC secured server. I have several accounts which are marked as community banned that cannot join any valve server and in one case access the steam library at all. There are different ban reasons. If your ban is for any kind of account fraud OR game abuse like most bot accounts, it will be completely restricted. The same goes if you are caught buying an account off G2A for example. here's 30 mins of me running around looking for bots kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYOVgoWffZuWfrM kzbin.info/www/bejne/apPVhJ9oZpWNbpo kzbin.info/www/bejne/eouTmHqIn7-Dq6c

[@borisjekyll]

As far as I know, there are also ZERO bots in Serbia servers, very rare occasion

[@PoollShietz]

Just let the game die man. We need more r6s player

[@adamssmasher]

@@PoollShietz r6s is boring

[@spawnpoint111]

@@PoollShietzi hope you die within the next year

[@manender1020]

​@@PoollShietzno sentinent being will ever support untersoft

[@absoultethings4213]

Wave defeated, but there are more to come. Get to an upgrade station before they return.

[@lev7509]

This

[@fatyoshi1456]

engie do you have dispenser range

[@duckfilms3662]

*cool electro riff*

[@mattquellobello]

Can I use the Gas Passer?

[@blueblaze7312]

Just be wary of those damn high tours

[@davymachinegun5130]

WAVE COMPLETE GET TO AN UPGRADE STATION

[@MinusTheAveragePerson]

No way 💀

[@Tf2usamaggot2012]

Shit 48 more waves

[@protocat21]

Time for wave 2 as they say

[@Goofy_Ah_Being_15]

now we all need to download cheat clients for the upgrades

[@caigemalinowski5247]

Bullet and Crit resistance is important for this wave

[@wigmanmania259]

Classic Valve >do nothing >then do something and say nothing

[@Golygt42]

tbh I like the idea of them doing something and not saying anything. Yeah it keeps real players in the dark but it also keeps the hosters on their toes even more

[@theminerooms]

Then go straight back into doing notting

[@stevefan8283]

typical introvert behavior

[@zt02ks0x]

kinda gigachad move

[@samholdsworth420]

​@@stevefan8283typical incel comment

[@_sukuratchi]

No way are valve on the treadmill finally

[@MadContendery]

they finally losing weight

[@_sukuratchi]

@@MadContenderythe weight lost are the bots getting banned

[@biasneeze]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[@youtubeuniversity3638]

​@@_sukuratchi They dropped the fists of steel!

[@rudolph2937]

They are not. This is merely *one* banwave. As of now there's no reason to believe Valve will keep maintaining the game and prevent further bot problems. Do not stop protesting

[@AcidTehObjectThingyIsBack]

Literally TF2 cycle: Its over > ITS NOT OVER > Its over > ITS NOT OVER

[@Myranos]

Tf2 is like Desinc, im fine, IM NOT FINE, im fine

[@P1CKL3_RICK]

It’s over We’re so back It’s over We’re so back

[@EmberTheFlareon3579]

This reminds me of everytime Sora ends his combo saying, "It's over!" Even though the boss still has like 10 bars of HP to go through.

[@leithaziz2716]

IT'S NOT OVER YET, SNAKE!

[@mrxy201]

it's over WE'RE BACK IT'S SO OVER *WE'RE SO BACK*

[@JUUDOLF]

I saw a post about Valve putting bans on bot accounts but giving the connected main account(s) a warning. In other words, if Valve has detected that you have an account linked to the banned bots (how, I do not know, IP/MAC matches maybe), the host can still keep their main account. And if they continue hosting bots, then all of their accounts are affected. In other words, Valve is now trying just to scare off the bot hosters. No real fix to TF2 has been made, not even a tweak to the Source Engine. Personally I'd love to see some proper legal action against the bot hosters to put some actual pressure on them but beggars can't choosers. And I expect the bots to be back within a week.

[@Pamlo_]

It would be great, and actually a pretty good solution to this

[@NerfPlayeR135]

Legal action isn't an option if the bot hosters live in Russia, sadly.

[@TheR00ndar]

​@@NerfPlayeR135they could invest in General Dynamics lmao

[@jimwormmaster]

@@TheR00ndar You'd have to get in the Habit of Crossing Lines to go that far, probably, lol

[@ipaqmaster]

This is great news. The worst part of this has been the lack of consequences. Using limited evidence to tie to main accounts and warn them is such a good thing.

[@aname.whatdidyouexpect1877]

Could this be possibly the rare and unheard of "treadmill work"?

[@_Shadows__]

whats that

[@Manu0jedi]

@@_Shadows__ work

[@kayagorzan]

@@_Shadows__It’s when you do work while walking on a treadmill

[@WhatIsTheHeat]

​@@_Shadows__It's where you run faster because you are stressed

[@Thegentechgamer]

​@@_Shadows__ it's when valve manually bans 10k bots but then immediately see 10k new bot accounts made, so all the work they did got them nowhere, like running on a treadmill gets you nowhere

[@drgabi18]

-0:18-- Now that the bots are gone, we can observe the natural TF2 player talking in chat- EDIT: It seems shou has censored the chat, respectfully so, since it was a bad taste shock comment about sexually assaulting Mr Beast because the natural TF2 player loves male pregnancy. Yeah... To not make this comment contempt, at 0:33 we can observe the natural TF2 player's sexual orientation

[@punishedostrich8729]

bruh

[@GewelReal]

dear god

[@mefrfr26]

ignorance was bliss

[@ZuraTheCat]

I can't believe people just share so openly about that shit... welcome to team fortress 2 after 9 years in development, hopefully it was worth the wait

[@MetaIIicaX]

I wonder if he kept that clip in intentionally lol

[@henrym5908]

In CS2 Valve is doing a thing where farming accounts are being silently banned; they seem to be VAC banned but there is nothing publicly visible on the account to indicate that it was banned, they just can't join official servers. farming bots used to be everywhere for months but I haven't seen any in a while now.

[@anironfarm6056]

The tf2 cycle > Casual is infected with bots > #SaveTf2 #FixTf2 > Ban wave > Casual no longer infested with bots > Complaints stop > Valve moves on > Bots slowly trickle in over two years > Casual is infested with bots again > Repeat indefinitely

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

Sisyphus

[@Conventil]

sisyphean

[@cuchibambo.p]

Theadmill work

[@Mate_Antal_Zoltan]

"Um actually it's not treadmill work because I said so"

[@JoNarDLoLz]

Treadmill

[@hawkin_gaming]

I get a feeling that the "treadmill" problem of infinitely banning bot accounts would become a staple of TF2 from now on, i just hope that bot hosters would eventually get bored of it and move on

[@papahemmy8587]

It’s been like 5 years since bots really became a problem, I think it’s safe to say they’re in it for the long haul.

[@unquestionableexistance8704]

Bored is not an option when TF2 and csgo are money making machines

[@bizboy6036]

​@@papahemmy8587doeshotter and magic sparkle are both gone. Some of them do get bored with it eventually

[@Gencrossbones]

​@@unquestionableexistance8704not like they can take enjoyment since the TF2 community the moment a bot joined either kick it immediately or absolutely clobber their bots. I even have a dedicated direct hit battalions backup soldier loadout just for clobbering bots and man its fun seeing those snipers turn into a bloody gib even when theres 5 of them

[@Splarkszter]

Just make them lose enough money. They can only talk if they spend a minimum of 1 dollar. So one bot per dollar can add up. Unless the requirement of activated steam account should be made. Then is a bit more money lost per account.

[@Dr_Weirdoo]

The man who sacrified his Pwnage Saxxy to the Chaos Gods: *they called me a madman*

[@Ronesby]

I was online for that alert and had to do a double take

[@VEE0034]

What are you talking about

[@pututunik8748]

​@@VEE0034you know the saxxy statue melee right? the one that is so few and so rare that you can't get it anymore? well, a day before the ban someone melt it into scraps in a casual which shocked everyone

[@glennjoshuamangabat2750]

@@VEE0034 those saxxys are only given to tf2 animation team winners back then. So they are very rare.

[@BulletSponge71436]

@@pututunik8748 Holy cow... Just like that? I wonder what was that person's reason to do that...

[@norvillerogers4047]

"Is this valve treadmill work?" My brothers in christ, they merely hopped on it for a second. We need to see if they will keep walking.

[@fantastikboom1094]

My brain melted trying to analize this comment. Edit: to those who think I'm talking about his statement: I do not. I'm saying debunking a sarcastic joke is unnecessary. That's why I wrote that initially, there's no reason to say this as an answer *to a joke* that didn't even imply what he debunks.

[@scottmemelord6130]

@@fantastikboom1094 It's not that hard to understand? He's saying that we don't know if Valve is going to bother to continue doing this or is this just a temporary thing and all the bots will just come back immediately and basically amount to nothing. Because there's no way the bot hosters will give up that easily, the question is will Valve give up first or not?

[@fantastikboom1094]

@@scottmemelord6130 I'm not talking about his obvious statement. I'm talking about why he's even pointing this out. He quotes something that's completely unrelated to what he wrote.

[@jimmybean420]

@@fantastikboom1094 bitch if you can't spell Analyze it's no wonder your shit melted

[@fiqirr]

​@@fantastikboom1094it is, in fact. Completely related to what he wrote.

[@DeathBringer097]

Damn Valve actually did something

[@Jackfromshack]

Probably just typed "enable_cheats 0" which they forgot to, years ago

[@geko2867]

@@Jackfromshack if (is_bot(player)) { ban(player); }

[@clementp7860]

i am as impress as you are fellow toaster

[@dermond]

How much is going to last

[@Matthew597]

​@@clementp7860 Reply section becoming a furry convention, 3... 2... 1...

[@squadbroken962]

They haven't gotten on the treadmill just yet, but they're putting on the sweatpants

[@clownimpregnator]

Clickbait? OH LOL NOT

[@guscox9651]

Lol i had to check the date

[@Splarkszter]

I expected a catch but there weren't any. I'm proud of shounic.

[@SwashBucket1987]

Same exact reaction here.

[@ThePowerofCutleries]

Shounic doesn't really do clickbait. Generally, his videos are as titled.

[@snackermantm105]

Are you calling him a traitor? Dont be rude.

[@purplehaze2358]

This is, completely unironically, with no hyperbole or exaggeration, the single best piece of news I've seen in fucking years.

[@kewlman5417]

the bots are completely all back 💀

[@clonezy7800]

Absolutely brother

[@purplehaze2358]

@@kewlman5417 Pain.

[@NuclearFissionDotCore]

"You've pushed them back.. For now. Get to an upgrade station for the next wave."

[@DaSomebody_2007]

"Oh, a background Casual game to watch while listening to the situation" "*checks chat at 0:19*" *"...oh"*

[@lancesmith8298]

“What could it possibly be?” “Just an average Thursday on AO3, it seems”

[@da703]

Even with the bots reduced, the people are still horrible

[@mrfantasy9583]

Well, it is your average tf2 game after all

[@thecrimsondragon588]

That chat message is an original sentence

[@rocketpg_9532]

the horrors

[@m.i.g.2023]

0:20 that Red chatter 💀

[@mutantfreak48]

and there furries

[@Vetaul]

Average mental health of a chronically online loser in tf2.

[@Baratako0]

Still better than the average TF2 bot

[@green929392]

Holy based the man knows what he likes

[@chekkibrekkiv1.245]

He likes Mr beast alot

[@mmccluer5704]

It took us 5 fucking years for us to finally beat that first wave.

[@pizza-for-mountains]

so here's what's *probably* happening over at valve: they know about fixtf2/savetf2, but fixing the problem would mean getting rid of all bots and most cheaters forever or at least a very long time, which would take a whole company's efforts to do in a timely fashion, and even then, it would take quite a while instead of being completely radio silent, they want the tf2 community to know they're working on the problem (even *if* it's just a dozen people) and went through with a ban wave for a very temporary solution for casual but like we know, they have so much more data than engineers to work with the data, so even if another ban wave happens, it won't be for at least a few months since a very small portion of hours will be set aside to do that

[@Del-dee]

nice oneshot pfp

[@Reese-wg7jb]

People are going to see this ban wave and think the problem is solved and then be annoyed when the malicious bot hosters are back again in a year.

[@spookyscarylamppost3431]

​​@@Reese-wg7jb Gentleman, fire up the doxxing machine. (My lawyer advised me to say that this is a joke)

[@iamthekingof1omillionsunsets]

engineers? like in tf2?

[@ST4RDUST]

There's a larger overarching problem with Steam which is how fast people can create bot accounts and use them to farm for drops in games like Banana or even their other games, and god knows about the cost of having potentially hundreds of thousands of new accounts being added to their databases in a day.

[@Cappuccino_Rabbit]

Can't wait for a decade or two for suddenly a bunch of video essays titled "The great bot crisis of TF2"

[@exwum]

This video literally bought so many players back to tf2. I watched in real-time as people joined and asked "are the bots gone?"

[@prismo5930]

Welp, within the hour a new wave of bots are all online and named some variant of “you can’t ban me”. They are right about this being treadmill work, you’d have to keep up with these manual bans all day

[@oinkytheink1228]

Then hardware ban would be needed but vpns are probably happening

[@TheRealGeorgeDroyd]

This is exactly what happened back in 2017~, Valve bans around 200k bots from TF2 and in the span of a week they all come back. I suspect with this ban wave they targeted cheater bots but even then they'll most likely be back up within the week. The people behind these bot nets are wayyy too dedicated on keeping their cheater bots online and ruining people's fun in a 17 year old game.

[@jesusnetero9226]

Tf2 is hitting 90k players as of right now, all bots are completely back. Pointless video.

[@xora7490]

the game needs to be $40 again

[@walesbkb]

@@oinkytheink1228 hardware bans are a dreadful idea and would almost certainly lead to some sort of severe retribution.

[@radtap]

"Guys if we just make one dev actually ban some bots they'll shutup" I give it a week

[@just-a-fnf-fan]

it’s been a month

[@lennyface5314]

0:22 don't let the good news blind you from this beautiful chat message

[@sosotik]

mr breast

[@endarkenedgd]

was about to mention that

[@Porkey_Minch]

I love the unfiltered nature of TF2. Sucks when it gets abused, but it's worth it

[@bepo8958]

lol wtf

[@cool_waffle8492]

The most sane TF2 player:

[@blacklight683]

quick! play before they are remade

[@ruzgar1372]

3 days, yes we all have 3 days to live!

[@leanmaxine1555]

Three days later: [Next round of MVM cue plays]

[@JohnJohn-r4l]

We can’t stop protesting, if they come back? We keep protesting. If we stop, we ourselves are refusing to do the very “treadmill work” that has held tf2 in its state for this long. Valves done something finally, and I believe the finish line to be near. Do not give up hope, because as a wise, lead poisened man once said: “IF FIGHTING IS SURE TO RESULT IN VICTORY, THEN YOU MUST FIGHT!”

[@Thomas-vn6cr]

​@@JohnJohn-r4l thats a beautiful sentiment. The protest is indeed a treadmill job.

[@TheAsh56]

@@JohnJohn-r4l dear god

[@cloke3076]

Press F for those TF2 fans who hadn’t make it to this day seeing this glorious victory.

[@I-Stole-Your-Toast700]

okay one or two or all of 3 things happened 1: valve did something and actually, forever, fixed the bots-ish 2: bots giving us false hope 3: bot hosters got busted/bored 4:sex 2 was released

[@leanmaxine1555]

Valve likely did something, as it appears that, although bots are man-managed, they can be uploaded and left alone with a simple algorithm. Recently the creators tied them in with the #FixTF2 movement, so this will significantly hinder progress to snuff out who is what by those merits. But beyond that, we can only hope this is a proper fix, just keep tabs from three days to a week. A month at best if you really wanna be patient.

[@nacun4740]

since they are still SOME bots that means either they did a manual botting wave which means those bots have the same cheats or they did something that detects those cheats and those other bots are using different type of it

[@HamsiKral53]

None of them. Valve just banned bots for them to turn back like in 5 days Edit: I am not telling that it is %100 useless. Just telling this is a weak step. That doesnt means be pessimistic.

[@callumari5762]

@@HamsiKral53 Yeah I was gonna say, I don't think any of these things happened

[@ketchup901]

@@HamsiKral53 Community: "Valve, please ban the bots" Valve: bans the bots Community: Wow what a weak step ??? Seriously what the hell do you people want?

[@standard-carrier-wo-chan]

Banning bots is an endeavour akin to Sisyphus pushing a boulder up a mountain, but it's not about the unreachable goal of having 0 people exploiting the game, it's about the steps taken to get there. Hope that Valve is finally doing something, but don't let up the pressure just yet. We need to watch over them and make sure they do everything in their power to actually address TF2's problems.

[@ziphy_6471]

"Treadmill work"

[@_setbes]

I have reported 4 bots and all of them got a matchmaking ban

[@HaartieeTRUE]

For everyone saying 'finally' or variants of it: lol no. Wait to celebrate in about 6 months or so, when and if the problem is clear it is not coming back. Until then, assume nothing is going to change, else we'll just repeat savetf2's premature celebration after the simple banwave, slight rework and valve response.

[@ziphy_6471]

What's wrong with being a little happy when Valve starts to do something and not stopping yet?

[@redzgaming6880]

@@ziphy_6471 He's not saying you shouldn't be happy, he's just saying not to celebrate yet. The bots could be back anywhere between three days from no to a year, just because Valve seemingly listened to us doesn't mean that thier solution was permanent.

[@korjezilla]

​@@ziphy_6471 They did ONE day of bans Or maybe one week That doesn't matter. The more we celebrate the more early they'll stop doing this. Bans shouldn't be the only thing SUE THE HOSTERS

[@ziphy_6471]

@@korjezilla Most of the comments here are still hoping the protest will continue after this and Valve will continue to do this

[@Weston-s4k]

​@@ziphy_6471 I think that's what they are telling us. Keep in mind only a arund a dozen people at Valve work on TF2 anymore, this is probably their way of telling us that they have been working on the problem, and gave us a temporary solution to hold us off for a bit while they keep working on a more permanant fix.

[@TeufortHeavy]

that's a start.

[@GewelReal]

Heavy Weapons Guy, what is your wisdom

[@TeufortHeavy]

@@GewelReal sandvich.

[@MoonLmao]

holy crap tf2 heavy real

[@Dushess]

@@TeufortHeavy is nice

[@pseudonomenclature8054]

I feel like this just means the Summer Update is just around the corner.

[@capofantasma97]

*summer cosmetics crate and a couple community made maps. They're called updates but they're essentially automated with no work done in them.

[@pseudonomenclature8054]

@@capofantasma97 Well, they are updates. Just not major ones.

[@blamedrop]

Great! As a side note, I've just checked and from 33 accounts I've reported >2 months ago (but I have no idea if anyone read that email at all, lol!), 14 are VAC banned ("1 VAC ban on record", "33 day(s) since last ban") and 19 are deleted. Cheers!

[@Golygt42]

Makes me wonder if some of the bots I’ve blocked, just to keep record of, are banned. I mean I assume so since I haven’t seen that variant of the bot in game forever now

[@mrrooter601]

is there a way to check accounts you reported after the fact through steam or are you like writing them down and checking manually?

[@MaverickHunterDaniel]

Wow, I'm impressed to see SOMETHING being done about this issue. The janitor, potted plant and intern deserve a raise for sure.

[@FearlessGnome]

I can’t believe it’s been a month since the ban I’ve seen no bots in the summer update good job W valve

[@danyloboy1477]

Valve is finally doing something good

[@alphikoffc]

Not for long

[@realdragon]

In 2 weeks when bots are back you will complain again that "VALVE isn't doing anything"

[@redwarrior118]

​@@realdragon well yeah if they can just make more bots it's pointless. I hope they did something to prevent bots from populating servers

[@realdragon]

@@redwarrior118 It is pointless but try explaining it to TF2 community which doesn't want to wait for actual solution but they want this. Bots will come back, players will boycott game again. The treadmill problem aren't bots but trying to shut people who think banning bots forever takes 2 lines of code

[@Sleepy_Cabbage]

fingers crossed

[@hanro50]

They will likely keep doing it in waves. How long before the next ban wave is hard to say. You want to annoy cheat devs, so banning bot accounts as soon as they join is a bad move. Instead, flag them and then ban them after some arbitrary timespan. That way, the cheat devs don't know what got them flagged, and it is harder to figure out how to avoid detection. Beyond this, Valve could also be starting to crack down on botted steam account generation. Which will make ban waves a lot more meaningful.

[@Haze_of_dream]

> Instead, flag them and then ban them after some arbitrary timespan. That way, the cheat devs don't know what got them flagged VAC already does this, While this works for closet cheaters that are actual humans or cheatmakers that advertise undetectable cheats, This doesn't apply to bot hosters that have blantant spinbots that only want to disrupt the game as much as possible

[@kampfer91]

The real way is to find the real bot hoster irl and cancel the fk out of him...., sue them even , confiscate his server and if he is Russian , force him to enlist....

[@imaforceanature7297]

We’re heading into a generation of ai, everytime they ban a bot account it should also go into a database to train an AI to detect them. Even if bot creators avoid the thing that flagged them, many common points will continually show their face over time.

[@kampfer91]

The only way is to find the real bot hoster and cancel him out....if he wants attention we give him the real attention ...( I think a youtube bot have been assigned to me to delete any comment i made ) .

[@mishagaming1075]

@@kampfer91omegatronic? yeah he gets enough.

[@torinohalloran1937]

"human grit always beats robot magic" - Jane doe

[@DEWILL]

Hope they get ON the treadmill correctly this time.

[@leanmaxine1555]

Chances are if we hear glass shattering and screaming, they're probably running it backwards.

[@endarkenedgd]

@@leanmaxine1555 don't forget the stock cat screaming sound effect

[@Trianull]

Yeah I've got the feeling they just walked over the treadmill this time...

[@ziphy_6471]

They ate too many cheetoes

[@Average_Deku]

i played a few games in a row yesterday all without bots and it genuinely felt like something was missing 😭

[@self-proclaimedanimator]

Stockholm syndrome 😔

[@theeternalunderstudy6574]

@@self-proclaimedanimator fr

[@CoolJosh3k]

0:31 found a bot 1:00 “impossible to find a bot”

[@sorelightt]

Valve: "Banning bots was a treadmil work"

[@tacostuff9600]

Feeding his son was treadmill work, so gabe stopped.

[@HappyGingerWolf]

Treadmill work is such a joke term, the word they're looking for is "basic maintenance"

[@Splarkszter]

​@@HappyGingerWolf "Banning 10k bots manually and see 10k new bot accounts the next day loosing all progress just like walking on the treadmill get's you nowhere."

[@Grandmaster-Kush]

They found out breathing air was treadmill work, after that every Volvo employee was found dead on site

[@kyperactive]

This joke is so overdone...

[@thogtwo]

you can thank me, guys. It was actually me who banned all the bots.

[@leanmaxine1555]

...Who are you again?

[@tomfreeman3816]

Thanks :3

[@SirCapyTheSecond]

thank you good sir

[@Diddlyy]

@@leanmaxine1555 he's the guy who banned all the bots, duh! Can't you read?

[@ratcrusher3251]

@@leanmaxine1555 thats the guy who banned all the bots

[@Ethylus]

valve really pulled the nine bot waves pulverized cows pootis bird and declaration between the meta and useless VAC technique: BAN WAVE

[@ruzgar1372]

As if they wont be back in 3 days.

[@why8569]

I mean to be fair I haven’t seen any bots in like a week or two.

[@phyog4662]

most thankful and optimistic tf2 fan

[@2ktwothousand]

oh my god stop being such a little pessimistic bitch

[@ruzgar1372]

@@phyog4662 Does my tone of speech change the fact?

[@Ekardio]

way 2 express any form of gratitude lol

[@TKsh1]

Thank you Janitor for your continuous work on TF2! At least he's listening!

[@thruthecosmos]

looks like that one guy finally gave out his 100 secret saxons

[@matteolenz]

"don't give me hope"

[@zeta0590]

Fr

[@droopy_eyes]

Developers doing visible work. Community: "fuck off!". Developer: 🥲

[@matteolenz]

@@droopy_eyes i said it as a meme, of course i hope they actually do something after all these years, just don't get me hyped and then disappear again

[@Xandoshi]

remember, just because they vac/deleted the bots, does not mean the protest is over. it's not over until they actually fix the game.

[@lebollsong]

Yep

[@MokoES]

yeah this is just the beginning not the end. We got a reaction. Lets keep this thing going so valve doesnt leave again leading to the return of bots...

[@Thomas-vn6cr]

The protest itself is treadmill work. If we can do it, so can they.

[@Optim121]

There is no fixing the game

[@david5310]

and how exactly should they "fix" the game?

[@Timic83tc]

They are back on Oceanic server this morning.

[@buggerofallhell1153]

We need to continue the pressure the hosters are gonna make more bots dont stop the demands ever

[@TheGreenTaco999]

Who would ever want to do anything for a guy like you when this is how you respond to getting your way

[@demomantf2476]

​@@TheGreenTaco999what.

[@showmesomethingrandom4163]

@@TheGreenTaco999 okay... remember what happened last time? with savetf2? your response makes no sense and has no actual meaning to this movement at least bugger is saying something useful

[@demomantf2476]

@@TheGreenTaco999 So you suggest just stopping here and now? Mf what about the "cheese pizza" bots? What about megascatter's house being raided by SWAT because of false claims by bot hosters? This isnt just about a silly game anymore, they officially hit a new low that should be punishable by law.

[@jrperry1611]

When were we pressuring the hosters in the first place? The way you’ve worded this makes you sound like a valve employee.

[@El-Burrito]

This is a good start, but let's see if they can keep it up

[@al_fa610]

I played it two days ago after a long time and the situation was surreal, there were so many bots in the lobbies they kept kicking each other out. They would start vote kicking bots by randomly selecting players in the lobby, and all the other bots voted yes. Glad to see they fixed it, at least for the time being.

[@tomdolben]

0:28 no bots but it still tf2 (chat)

[@Minainguh]

oh absolutely

[@Cbp846]

Why did you do this

[@randomguywholikesstuff6536]

Thanks Now I regret everything

[@goldenhospitality8521]

tf2 chat is absolutely deranged

[@csongorkovacs4696]

Oh no my feelings got hurt now!!

[@metalclawsteelheart]

Imagine how funny it would be if the omega r34 is what convinced valve to do something. Just like "NOPE. WE'RE NOT HAVING THAT."

[@thedarter]

The what now

[@Rupture_Farms_1997]

@@thedarteryou don’t wanna know

[@thedarter]

@@Rupture_Farms_1997 on second thought you're absolutely right

[@ziphy_6471]

Valve when bot hosters spread cp : I sleep Valve when OMEGATRONIC gay porn : real shit

[@fantastikboom1094]

@@Rupture_Farms_1997 I wanna know

[@discountdisco2273]

Valve found their admin password again. Turns our is was in the janitor's room in a cardboardbox, under 6 porn mags from 1998.

[@SomeDestinyPlayer]

Gaben put a sapper on the 'little' bot nest the hoster's created:D

[@Lethal_Spoon]

1:00 soldier in pink is a cheater, he’s racked up quite a few bans

[@denizatik6534]

He was the bhopping trolldier right

[@Lethal_Spoon]

@@denizatik6534it’s the one with the butterfly text art name and pink crone’s dome, his name is “Brain” now

[@Saxxy_Mann]

“Monsueir, does this mean…team fortress is back?” “No”

[@nortonm5077]

You're Doin' Good Lad!

[@InfernalBanana]

Remember: this isn’t a win yet. It’s a start, but without a more permanent fix, the FixTF2 movement needs to continue.

[@reworld5030]

Now valve needs to give f2p chat back

[@_starrybun]

shounic be fr with me oh my god

[@strawcoalbean]

Thank you valve pot plant and janitor, very cool

[@Vince_mik]

How lucky am I to start playing tf2 again as soon as the bots got deleted 💀

[@Lucasberrin]

0:14 Chile, Peru and Brazil servers aren't as bot infested as the rest of the world (may I say these are the safest servers rn). They're overlooked in comparison with Virginia, where it's most likely you get a botted server. In conclusion, give it some time before the bots are fully back.

[@cartooner65]

0 bots found since the june ban wave. Before that, every server i found had at least 1 or 2 bots.

[@DarkonFullPower]

You had to say something. They're back again, but numbers are small, for now.

[@CrasherX2000]

“They’ll soon be back” “And in greater numbers”

[@ehzu]

1:00 that spy knifing the pyro is me lol

[@Aysentaro]

oh no not the dreaded treadmill work

[@parasocks1613]

I wonder if Valve saying absolutely nothing is a tactical move they use while locking onto all the bots they can find so nobody expects the banwave

[@edfreak9001]

i know the bots will be back or at least attempt to come back, but in this short period I just wanna imagine: there are bot hosters someone who are currently scurrying trying to get their bots back online ASAP to make the game unplayable on official servers and I just have to think: why the only potential person with real incentive might be someone making money off of software that automizes the process for, whatever reason. And while I hate it, I understand why someone would want to fix that to keep making money. But if it's not that situation, I really don't get why anyone would bother putting the bots back up.

[@dannyondeeznuts]

if it’s not about money, then it’s surely for attention

[@sniperluigi9856VA]

because some people are just complete dickheads with nothing better to do

[@flixsyc256]

The only reason is to hurt others fun. Unfortunately, there is a portion of people who get pleasure out of upsetting people for no reason, and they want to keep doing that. I also think it might be a power trip thing because of their determination to work around Valve's updates.

[@distorted_heavy]

They do it because some people take casual being unplayable as a personal insult against everything they hold close. Those people tend to freak out in very funny ways, which they then review through chat logs, forum posts, KZbin videos, etc. They're trolls, plain and simple

[@gerutzu575]

personally i always thought the bot hosters are secretly working for competing shooter games, trying to take out their competition. it's just a theory but i refuse to believe they are doing this much work and not getting paid for it

[@CleaverCrusader1987]

Finally, inner peace

[@drakath5727]

It's not time to stop yet, not until we see some actual proof they're going to keep the treadmill work going.

[@adamssmasher]

remember that this doesn't mean we should completely abandon #fixtf2 and change our reviews to positive. this is just the beginning

[@endarkenedgd]

no way the fucking omegatronic porn worked

[@ZVAARI]

a lot to unpack in this comment. ill just leave it packed

[@nightowl6055]

What is the context for this?

[@Felasonic12]

​@@nightowl6055from what I got, a bot hoster that went by omegatronic had a sona, and they decided to make adult content of it. It's not affiliated with fixtf2 cuz it's the internet being the internet, BUT DAMN NOW WAY MAKING R34 WORKED

[@yoak]

​@@nightowl6055ppl drew r34 of omegatronic so theyd stop being stupid and hosting bots

[@DelusionalDetective]

@@nightowl6055 someone on the tf2 reddit proposed that people start drawing gay porn of omegatronic and spam it on the omegatronic Twitter and other places so that omegatronic gets associated with the porn People actually started doing that and there are even a couple subreddits dedicated to it lol

[@linkly9272]

I was playing on the trenches server when this update happened, and I remember joking about how awesome it would be if there were a manual ban wave. I’m shocked they actually did something

[@douwantabanana]

No way valve did something

[@17thFable]

Shounic is the unsung pillar for this movement. Grounded Informative Straightforward

[@tappajaav]

GIS

[@zelda_smile]

Groinfstr

[@darrenchen964]

Weird how some people see him as defending valve when he’s just giving his insight on valve’s internal structure

[@tappajaav]

@@darrenchen964 Many lack reading comprehension and objective evaluation skills, which is even more apparent in text-based internet conversations

[@distorted_heavy]

​@@tappajaavthey're literally children most of the time, which explains the lack of reading comprehension and critical thinking

[@buzzlightyearpfp7641]

gabe scoffs and uses 0.0001 of his power to do this with the snap of his fingers

[@myleswelnetz6700]

The only problem with that is that we can’t enjoy MvM properly anymore.

[@katilpatates290]

Oh, no

[@Tor-Erik]

That was an ridiculous long wave. I bet they will come back again in the future.

[@apurpledragon]

My guy...it's been 2 months and bots are still getting banned which also includes actual cheaters.

[@101Volts]

@@apurpledragon October 9 2024 and I saw one in Embargo, but that was the only one.

[@m0dze1532]

It’s been 4 months and the only things I saw is a medic bot and a cheater sniper spinning

[@ItsEvanHere]

WAVE COMPLETED [ Get to an upgrade station ]

[@internetfreak8137]

Valve when they use literally 1% of their power:

[@DrablyOlive]

I had to check the date if it is April 1st

[@someidiotwithafryingpan3752]

Right? I genuinely wondered for a sec if this was an April Fools’ video I was being recommended three months late.

[@rq5283]

All Valve had to do was play the waiting game and click a button. Certified Valve classic.

[@shaynehughes6645]

The fact that they've been able to issue sweeping ban waves under pressure twice really shows that they could have done this at any time and chose not to, for anyone that was still somehow doubtful that this was by choice.

[@Lethal_Spoon]

gaben lost some weight the treadmill work is here

[@Enivoke]

This aged like milk. the bots are BACK in full force, more than before.

[@Bewegungskrieg]

Me when I lie on the internet

[@zane3579]

Yes all the Bots are gone but, the only thing left is the closet cheaters for now.

[@briandiehl9257]

They need to do something where if a player is vote kicked enough times out of a server they get a temporary ban, which increases the more it happens. This would result in the bots that join and get vote kicked out constantly consistently getting removed, automatically banning the bots.

[@OmegaRC59]

The problem is that this also happens regularly to players unfortunate enough to get stuck in servers chock full of bots

[@NiiRubra]

Don't forget that the bots team up to vote kick real players as well, so any solution based on the voting system alone can be weaponized by them.

[@briandiehl9257]

@@OmegaRC59 Yeah, but I think you could set the bar high enough to where it would never reasonably happen to a real player. Some of these bots get kicked 20 times an hour during peak hours. Then as time goes on a real player will not have this problem

[@TheOmniGameDev]

@@OmegaRC59 This is why they need to implement it now while there aren't servers full of bots, so we can remove the bots before thta even becomes a possibility. Otherwise you just set the required number of vote kicks so high that only bots reach and slowly lower it as this becomes less of a problem

[@travisdickens4304]

So what they then start doing is just cycling through bots more often and force abusing that system to ban as many real users as possible

[@SpecsCloud]

We knew a silent move was coming since they'd never acknowledge that they were ignoring us but i didnt expect the first move to be such a big one. I bet that hurt the hell out of the bot hosters wallets too

[@ArtificialRuby]

probably an update to VAC, a lot of players were banned in CS from what I saw in another video.

[@ricedanan]

inb4 The entire community celebrates and stops caring about #fixtf2 just like they did with #savetf2 and Valve's tweet and later down the line the bots start flooding the game again

[@papaflorian2277]

We've won the battle, but not the war. Get back to upgrade station !

[@rudolph2937]

DO NOT STOP PROTESTING The bots will provably have new accounts and be back in the game in less than a week, and nothing will have changed. Do not stop protesting until we see permanent long term solutions from Valve, one (1) banwave isn't enough

[@grasseater123]

@@rudolph2937 3 weeks later