Tony Brown on the differences between South Africa and New Zealand | The Breakdown, October 20, 2024

[@AllBlacks]

How many games do you think the All Blacks will win on the Northern Tour? They play Japan, England, Ireland, France and Italy.

[@Steve-w8m4w]

Ireland will win England is 50/50 France if on form will win so 3/5

[@Asymmetric.edge.]

Two

[@fohunter12345]

All Blacks to win all 5

[@viliamikama1072]

They will win the whole lot

[@brentsergent1579]

4/5

[@johnmaclachlan6477]

Tony Brown is one of the best things that could have happened to the Springboks. Between him and Rassie they are forming a VERY VERY good team for the future.

[@mpilodigitalmarketing]

All Blacks must just chill. You guys are amazing, love the moari boys. Very humble. Love watching AB rugby. Bok fan here.

[@babs12-cx6du]

Kristie has become a quality presenter. Keep it up! From 🇿🇦

[@casscassy9174]

It’s not Tony Brown. It’s all about Rassie and HOW he is prepared to experiment and go where No coaches have gone before. Rassie has a wing throwing a ball into a line out, he has a line out jumper playing at 7, he changes the complete dynamic of the reserve bench. What country will ever do that? From an AB supporter here, I think Rassie is just Pure Genius and other countries will continue to struggle against the Boks until these struggling countries start thinking outside the box.

[@louisnel1922]

100%

[@paulveenings6861]

When I played schoolboy rugby the wing always threw the ball into the line out . But you’re right, thinking outside the box is required.

[@nepiahemopo1702]

Rubbish. Rassie is average and is ahead by only a smidgen. Steve Hansen would school him! He beat our worst AB coach in history by a point. Wtf you talking about? 😮

[@casscassy9174]

@@nepiahemopo1702 😂😂😂

[@glen1482]

@@nepiahemopo1702 ABs haven’t declined and the current team isn’t the worst. Other teams have just caught up. Hansen would not school Erasmus. His team got schooled by England in the 2019 WC. Rassie showed Hansen how to beat them. WTF you talking about 😂

[@Pierre-v6t]

🇿🇦 This was so much fun to watch, thank you 😊❤ I'll be telling my grandkids about this springbok era. Enjoying every moment before it's over

[@bunnychowmuncher]

Muils is very right - South Africa is delivering the game to their larger population and its paying off and can be seen at High School and University level.

[@sinenhlanhlamlondo8013]

Honestly our University level is not as good and advanced as High school level

[@Bennusan1]

I agree, but we can do even better. It is way too expensive for the average Saffa to watch URC rugby. If we can fix that I think the game will expand massively.

[@grantrau3066]

What NZ pundits fail to understand which Hansen himself pointed out was that SA for many years had to deal with political interference when selecting teams ( this transformation was necessary to bring about change) Rassie was one of the first coaches to embrace this, current team is a diverse side that is chosen on merit, plenty of untapped talent makes for exciting times

[@FrancoisSauer-ys3qc]

Brown very much in backround,can see difference in bok playing style,happy to have him for a while.

[@duncangravy6060]

Mils said it and thats why I love that guy....he doesn't let emotion get to him or his judgement.........

[@KernowekTim]

Kirwan is very rude, I reckon. His over-bearing need to control the narrative by attempting to prevent others from completing their respective sentiments is full-on narcissistic.

[@alexandregarcia9726]

Yeah saying that NZ will win all their games is not letting emotion get to him... I cannot see any scenarios where this will happen. NZ will lose at best one game, more probably two and worst case scenario, three.

[@duncangravy6060]

@@KernowekTim Goldie is far worse........All hail Gregan for that tackle.

[@duncangravy6060]

@@alexandregarcia9726 I dont think thats far off the pace gent...honestly NZ have a craking side and its stronger now thank in the ruby champs. I believe that if you guys pick the right team........you will beat Ireland. AB's by 5-7. Starting Ethan De Groot (26 / Highlanders / Southland / 28) Codie Taylor (33 / Crusaders / Canterbury / 93) Tyrel Lomax (28 / Hurricanes / Tasman / 40) Scott Barrett (30 / Crusaders / Taranaki / 76) (Captain) Tupou Vaa’i (24 / Chiefs / Taranaki / 34) Dalton Papali’i (26 / Blues / Counties Manukau / 36) Wallace Sititi (22 / Chiefs / North Harbour / 5) Ardie Savea (30 / Moana Pasifika / Wellington / 90) (Vice Captain) Sam Roigard (23 / Hurricanes / Counties Manukau / 5) Beauden Barrett (33 / Blues / Taranaki / 131) Jordie Barrett (27 / Hurricanes / Taranaki / 65) (Vice Captain) David Havili (29 / Crusaders / Tasman / 28) Caleb Clarke (25 / Blues / Auckland / 25) Sevu Reece (27 / Crusaders / Southland / 30) Will Jordan (26 / Crusaders / Tasman / 37) Bench George Bell (22 / Crusaders / Canterbury / 1) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 20mins) Ofa Tu’ungafasi (32 / Blues / Northland / 63) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 30mins) Tamaiti Williams (24 / Crusaders / Canterbury / 14) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 30mins) Patrick Tuipulotu (31 / Blues / Auckland / 46) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 30mins) Ethan Blackadder (29 / Crusaders / Tasman / 15) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 30mins) Sam Cane (32 / Chiefs / Bay of Plenty / 100) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 30mins) TJ Perenara (32 / Hurricanes / Wellington / 87) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 20mins) Damian McKenzie (29 / Chiefs / Waikato / 56) (backline cover wing fullback flyhalf) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 20mins)

[@fu8713]

KernowekTim Don’t watch it pisss off lol

[@MarcelAspenite]

Irishman in America here. Think we’ll lose because it’s our first game of the year unfortunately. Flying back for the game. If it was at the end of the 6N’s season, different story 🇮🇪

[@KernowekTim]

Old-school Cornishman from Eire Mamm. Aye🏴‍☠☘

[@folio8474]

First gane of the year. Are you forgetting the two tests in SA?

[@gillmore1830]

Leinster is Ireland they are playing together ,similar style as well do you not think so maybe ?

[@JRits399]

Kirifi's speech at the end was awesome.💯

[@CraighJonas]

For the New Zealand public it must sting a little to hear Tony say "we." 🇿🇦

[@Formakiwi]

We're used to it. Our guys have been coaching their guys for decades. How 'bout you, bru?

[@dehanvermaakt7629]

@@Formakiwi Decades?? LOL

[@dimitromoses]

Slowly taking scrums out of the game with the shot clock that's going to implemented. The team with the better scrum cannot asert their dominance on the opposition. Scrums are beautiful man! Just love it. It's poetry in motion. The beautiful art of rugby. Yeah, Saffa here! Our props loving their cakes & brandy...😂❤ 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🥇🥇🥇🥇🏆🏆🏆🏆

[@Sikasays]

Youre right about scrums being beautiful!! Slowly setting up and deliberately time wasting however needs to be cut out of the game.

[@johanvanzyl8479]

Plus scrums give opportunity to atheletes who will never play soccer etc. It makes rugby the only sport where you can take 15 boys at random and all will find a position to play!

[@hellovanite]

I agree completely but the refs need to improve on their understanding. Far too many looseheads boring in on the tight head side forcing the opposition hooker to pop up in the scrum. Yet the ref keeps penalising the opposition. Simple if you turn in you get penalised. Scrum straight always

[@dimitromoses]

@Sikasays there's the 7's for that..

[@salomiodendaal4473]

Yes, scrums are important. But what is your point that they're going to be eliminated? Because your SA doesn't get five minutes to decide what they're going to do??

[@phoenixrising427]

From a bok supporter - AB , always,always brings out the best. Thank you. You set the standards,we tend to raise the bar.

[@hemrap5866]

if tony brown can get the boks into an attacking style of play this would be a great day for rugby fingers crossed

[@sunlightliquid8420]

Acting like the Boks didn't play fast paced attacking rugby the entire year so far

[@closelaugh185]

Huh? The Boks have been playing great attacking rugby all year... Noticeable difference from their game plan last year. TB is creating magic in the squad

[@kreef78]

Guys, what the Springboks do start at schoolboy level. The school competitions are huge! What NZ also needs to consider is to pick overseas based players. You have to change your approach to this matter in the modern era. Springboks play all over the world, with those clubs paying their salaries. That gives opportunities to the young guys, broadening the base to pick from.

[@Formakiwi]

Nope. Not comparable. SA has the largest registered rugby player base on earth. NZs is similar to Ireland. Allowing our top players to play offshore would destroy domestic rugby and crash the standards overall, since most of our guys that move abroad now choose Japan, where the competition is soft, the money sweet and the training light. It would be a disaster and the prospect of having to negotiate with overseas clubs even for access to players should give every NZ rugby fan a cold shower.

[@fohunter12345]

South African here to watch JK 😢. Mils is a lej. Great show as always.

[@ColinAnderson-hy2oj]

Why is it that Mils is the only one who speaks sense🇿🇦

[@broderickfall]

🥱

[@closelaugh185]

Because Jeff Wilson likes being pegged

[@runforrestrun1965]

Interesting how Tony brown is trying to change the Saffa mindset away from their usual basic scrum focussed grunt stuff and defensive rugby play to expansive type rugby. Be far more dangerous if they adapt to more open rugby, it’s always been NZ’s strength to counter them.

[@kalaharikreef7371]

Expansive play only works when one gets domination up front.

[@LanceODoherty5905]

I’ve been saying this, Karifi deserves to be selected for the all blacks it’s long overdue. He’s been one of the best back row performers over the last 12 months

[@NewMavericks]

Love Milsy's read and sense of where the team is at!

[@gerardbenson1844]

Were there any fans at the gsme?

[@pjneethling26]

I'm wondering where Du Plessis got his name form.

[@benfromgermany]

What I get from this is that NZ rugby will be re-energized after years of dominating world rugby to get back to the top.

[@SpencerCourtis]

Don't know what this fellow Tony Brown was brought into South African rugby for - we have had all the natural flair and fast flowing rugby players for decades - it was the head stumping brute force only mentality of our previous coaches who stifled our expansive rugby! The French were the first to play attacking and expansive running rugby in 1992 and they are still beautiful to watch at it. The All Blacks were quick to learn from the French way back then already. It took South Africa 32 years to do so!!!

[@AlanOReilly-g7o]

Catching Ireland off guard!! Good luck, Leinster are smashing the opposition in the URC 😊

[@lubabalopita5049]

LoL yes because they have a Bok RG Snyman now

[@hypermotard617]

Big difference between Leinster and all the other clubs is that Leinster is pretty much the ireland national team.

[@dpansegrouw]

I agree, the Irish lads are match sharp from the URC. Ireland will be better in Nov than they were in July.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

I don't believe that Ireland will get caught with their pants down, but your logic is seriously flawed. One the one hand you have a provincial side comprising most of the Ireland players, with a South African two times RWC gold medalist tearing it up, and playing against provincial sides with far fewer international representatives; on the other hand you have the same Leinster side, minus RG and plus a small handful of good players, playing against the All Blacks. There simply is no comparison between the two.

[@duncangravy6060]

I believe that if you guys pick the right team........you will beat Ireland. AB's by 5-7. Starting Ethan De Groot (26 / Highlanders / Southland / 28) Codie Taylor (33 / Crusaders / Canterbury / 93) Tyrel Lomax (28 / Hurricanes / Tasman / 40) Scott Barrett (30 / Crusaders / Taranaki / 76) (Captain) Tupou Vaa’i (24 / Chiefs / Taranaki / 34) Dalton Papali’i (26 / Blues / Counties Manukau / 36) Wallace Sititi (22 / Chiefs / North Harbour / 5) Ardie Savea (30 / Moana Pasifika / Wellington / 90) (Vice Captain) Sam Roigard (23 / Hurricanes / Counties Manukau / 5) Beauden Barrett (33 / Blues / Taranaki / 131) Jordie Barrett (27 / Hurricanes / Taranaki / 65) (Vice Captain) David Havili (29 / Crusaders / Tasman / 28) Caleb Clarke (25 / Blues / Auckland / 25) Sevu Reece (27 / Crusaders / Southland / 30) Will Jordan (26 / Crusaders / Tasman / 37) Bench George Bell (22 / Crusaders / Canterbury / 1) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 20mins) Ofa Tu’ungafasi (32 / Blues / Northland / 63) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 30mins) Tamaiti Williams (24 / Crusaders / Canterbury / 14) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 30mins) Patrick Tuipulotu (31 / Blues / Auckland / 46) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 30mins) Ethan Blackadder (29 / Crusaders / Tasman / 15) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 30mins) Sam Cane (32 / Chiefs / Bay of Plenty / 100) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 30mins) TJ Perenara (32 / Hurricanes / Wellington / 87) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 20mins) Damian McKenzie (29 / Chiefs / Waikato / 56) (backline cover wing fullback flyhalf) (IMPACT OFF BENCH 20mins)

[@gazinlimbo]

interesting now the game has been played to see this post. 8 of those started.

[@duncangravy6060]

@@gazinlimbo not a bad shout but i guess the ABs are looking stronger now than they were in Rugby Champs. If the injured players had played I suspect it wouldve been bigger.

[@vkeen_observer]

I remember when my school first toured NZ in 1993. They were blown away by how advanced the school system was in NZ. What happened?

[@SeanLarkan]

Mils & the young lady absolutely make these discussions. Find it hilarious that the ABs & other countries think the reason RSA have done so well is due to structural things like ‘they can call on their o/s based players’ and so on; this is simplistic to the extreme. For decades NZ & Australia (& others, to a lesser extent) have benefitted hugely from being able to pick & choose from the cream of all the incredible Islander Nations eg Fiji, Samoa, Tonga etc, whereas SA only rely on home-grown talent. But, it’s a highly motiavated home talent who play not for themselves but for bigger ideals. Rassie has long known it is what’s going on in players heads & hearts that counts, not just hours in the gym or on the practice field.

[@granitesoldier7704]

Abit weird to be calling it "simplistic to the extreme" before proceeding to suggest that all Pacific Island players in the All Blacks are not "home-grown" talent. Might pay do to do some reading on Pacific migration to NZ first.

[@runitstraight2637]

You realise majority of the Pacific Islanders are born and raised or move over to NZ. Small nations and people migrate for greater opportunity. Not much similar to Zimbabweans or Namibians etc moving to South Africa

[@lanceholloway8184]

Tony Brown and Carlos Spencer have always understood S.A. The A.B's and Bok fans feel the same about their teams, Mils got it spot on, S.A. always had racial and political issues to deal with, now the Boks are multiracial and we suddenly have a Huge pool of talent to choose from. Good show guys, watched this one with T.B twice already.

[@stevenleigh9873]

No one in Wellington turns up to games, also banning the cowbell last week what a joke

[@danielels5645]

JK has hit the nail on the head…I watch Supersport Rugby show and they televise under 12 rugby competitions, under 15, Craven week, varsity rugby competition which shows all the talent that can be nutured and honed to top quality level. If you watch Sky sport television there’s NPC, grassroots and some high school rugby games with high school games having the biggest crowd support

[@dehanvermaakt7629]

I dont think JK should be allowed to watch SB rugby

[@dairet1945]

25:00 No one thinks conditioning favours the ABs, thats something you only hear in NZ. You really think the Ireland squad is less fit that the AB squad?

[@lincolnsimms2780]

I love this show. I respect all those on the panel. It is well run and engaging. Sometimes I disagree, sometimes I agree and sometimes I go 'Huh never thought of it that way'. Looking forward to the Nothern Tour. So many exciting games. I hope people realise that the level of skill across the international teams are all so similar which makes the games more nerve racking and exciting. Go the All Blacks.

[@Bennusan1]

I think you need to watch more rugby shows....

[@johnmurray2995]

I remember seeing JK on crutches watching an All Black training session in Belfast, I think that may be the tour he was talking about. I was lucky enough to see them play both Ulster and Ireland on that tour (it was the one where Willie Anderson marched the Irish team into the haka), but recall being disappointed that JK could not play in either game.

[@thefobbie0034]

1989 end of year Wales/Ireland tour - JK had did his archilles!

[@KewKew-do3kq]

You never won a quarter final 😮

[@johnmurray2995]

@@KewKew-do3kq yeah, but I'm old enough to remember rugby before there ever was a world cup, so seeing Ireland beat New Zealand in a test series in New Zealand still carries a lot of satisfaction for me.

[@pixelpotato4874]

Japan is first up- play Wallace Sititi at No 8...and give Billy Proctor another run

[@deebrowne1136]

Tony Brown is now got the BOKKE in his blood ♥️♥️🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@hlangaful]

How about building depth and giving players a chance? Seeing how they fair on the international stage... just a suggestion

[@brettg4784]

The Varsity Cup is the equivalent of "Monday night football"

[@202bluebellrd]

When we talk about “untapped“ talent, we probably have over 5 million boys and men that we could draw on to play top level rugby. The number of boys wanting to play rugby is ever increasing. We also have competitions that prepare them for different levels of international rugby. If you look back at the history of Springboks playing the All Blacks you will see that we’ve scored many tries against the AB. With all of this new talent there is much potential for the Springboks to improve.

[@sevmassyn5660]

Some important points...SA schools rugby is the best in the world......we went North because we have many other players in Europe and not in NZ/Ozz....its an important point....another very important point is that the European teams are very technical and we added that to our physical strengths

[@cornedenecker1636]

NZ definitely needs to get your comps sorted out. Be better for your schools and universities. Make it a big deal, make it exciting for players to want to win the competition. We want the All Blacks to be better and challenge us every single game.

[@alecltheunissen9088]

Love the show… good comments and don’t be to critical on the AB, our arch rivals but we both need to do a job against the Pommies. From a 🇿🇦Living in the 🇬🇧. Come on Southern Hemisphere teams except the 🇦🇺. They will lose at least 3/4 games with 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 the 50/50 call

You New Zealanders should never forget yes we compete yes we both play hard but we in sa dont respect anyone else like we do the all blacks i reckon if sa can assist in anyway to get us both up there i reckon we would. we brothers in arms for the past 100 years mate. even the wallabies

[@1luvboomer]

What you on about .. south african rugby have tony brown as there attacking coach .. 😂😂 we've given use our sprinkle of magic use have caught up to us due to is spreading our love

[@1luvboomer]

Assist you reckon .. go do your research on what new zealand rugby coaches .. ex players etc .. who we have sprinkled our nz rugby magic on pal

[@fu8713]

1luvboomer Settle down goose settle down lol this guy is saying nothing wrong what you getting all excited about lol get off the glass pipe pal

[@Acdc101able]

Eisch nevermind what a tot

[@warrenvanaswegen8565]

NZ need to remember we won’t 2 WC tournaments without TB

[@arnodk2852]

*Stormers and Sharks legend Tony Brown.

[@peterwomersley]

6 2 bench split All on at same time Now where have i seen that before?

[@davidpeters3857]

Clearly doing something right 👀 has to be the understatement of the year

[@wayneshilcock3027]

The problem New Zealand has and will always have, is a smaller pool of talent, small funding base, keeping up with development has not been progressing to where it should be compared to the rest of the world and more preferred sports are starting to emerge, challenging the player base for rugby. We will face a huge crisis if we don't figure out a pathway to the top for alot of promising talent. Currently our biggest hurdle would be funding to the base of our game and development of the talent that comes from there.

[@salomiodendaal4473]

Absolutely right. When you compare the player base, there's no reason the ABs should be so good. It's a game of numbers. Population and money.

[@masterq2.033]

S Africa never had a huge player base. As a percentage of population NZ have a way bigger support base than S Africans. It would be interesting to see the actual numbers. Both in number of actual players , actual amount of money per player.

[@wayneshilcock3027]

@@masterq2.033 Population base of South Africa is 62M+ (400,000+ registered players) Million, New Zealand 5M+(200,000+ registered players). South Africa has way more money spent on the game than New Zealand will ever have.

[@troyocarroll]

​@@masterq2.033please at least do some research before you start quoting numbers. You really don't know what your talking about. Just on population alone, they have somewhere near 12x our pop.

[@dairet1945]

23:56 Sorry JK but its true the 20 minute red is really there just for the ABs because if there is one side that hasnt managed to adjust tackle height it is the ABs.

[@ad2040]

Captain High Tackle Cain reporting for duty, sir!

[@taraishot100]

Jeff France have stated they’re not fielding their best team against the all blacks Ireland will be our toughest game

[@mauroger86]

@@taraishot100 France will not field their best next year in the July internationals mate. This year they will

[@jaredwilson28]

When they tour NZ

[@JDaicos280]

French won't be available until 12 years time. '87 went missing until '99 went missing again '99-'11 ....and 2023 ? They'll take 12 years absent

[@KernowekTim]

Mate, France have said that they'll not be sending some of the star elite players to New Zealand for the Test series there this year.

[@pgdsfcv5552]

July 2025

[@thefobbie0034]

I am a kiwi and I do NOT agree with the 20-min red card system! These are professional players who should know enough and if not drilled enough to know what the rules are!!!! If you commit red-card foul then you should be removed from the game for good - not replaced after 20 mins! BTW JK the new red card 20-min rule DOES favour us because we are the most carded and ill-disciplined team since 2016! From the Twickenham vs Boks game to the 2024 World Cup final the All Blacks were red carded 3 times in 9 games and that does NOT include the amount of yellow cards! TO simply argue that it ruined a World Cup final was NOT an issue considering the scoreline 12-11!!!! The problem here is how does this help the ABs discipline - its a joke!

[@robertombetta]

The new red card rule is a subtle way to compensate teams for referee and TMO blunders. They will never red card their own.

[@icefarrow7959]

Literally every team in the world is getting pinged for minimal head on head contact, caused by themselves or dipping players. Doesn't matter how much people train, mistakes will always happen. Quit whining and being melodramatic.

[@icefarrow7959]

Also, we weren't even the most penalised team in TRC, so clearly not the most ill disciplined in the world.

[@whytheface777]

Agreed. Them blaming the cards is like a criminal blaming handcuffs for him losing his freedom

[@theroogie]

As a springbok fan, I agree. A red card is a red card. The whole point is to punish the player and the team for dangerous or foul play. Giving a team an out after 20mins is absolute rubbish

[@francoismatolla6113]

JK looks worried about Untapped: come down to SA and explore the Untapped that Tony is speaking of.

[@tonylittle3508]

Why are they saying the npc is not fit for purpose? It shows who the players are that are ready for the next level. How is it not getting guys ready for Super rugby, when we keep winning Super rugby? The problem is Super rugby, and the problem with that is the lack of strength and depth of Australian rugby. We know a NZ team is going to win. I am not sure that Super rugby is getting guys ready for International rugby, since SA left.

[@kylelouer4323]

The absolute last thing the AB’s need right now is to drop a game to Japan. The score gap has been closing each game, and throwing guys from the AB’s 15 squad is not the move. Play the men that made the 33, cement a solid team and grow their confidence thru winning. Enough said. Stop talking about losing games, and focus on the 33 that can win games.

[@rayred74]

The difference is 2. 4 RWC - 2 RWC = 2 (the 1987 World Cup doesn’t count because it wasn’t a “World Cup” as SA wasn’t in it)

[@zackengelbrecht3208]

Let Kirifi be a no.7. Allow him to continue to specialize and grow where he's comfortable. McCaw hardly played anywhere else. He probably played no.8 on very few occasions. But give Kirifi his chance somewhere. Please!

[@flightofthefatman]

Why don't they ask the players if they're feeling fatigued instead of babying them. I bet none of them are feeling fatigued and are chomping at the bit willing to play every game.. Lack of consistency of team selection is the greatest flaw by the ABs and always has been.

[@BlazeEigs]

Please can this Panel put an ABs side together for 2027 with average age of under 31 years old. (As per the Keo and Zels show for the Boks).

[@Tehui1974]

Does Mils ever not pick the ABs to win the next game(s)?! Jeff Wilson is the best analyst on this show.

[@JohnSmith-vz4jz]

Kiwi rugby always been top, since days of old Greats,, 😅

[@multipletanksyndrome]

Does the NPC have revenue sharing?

[@stevenbissett]

Why are you interviewing Kiwis that are helping our opponents?

[@TheJaytee194]

New Zealand should invite Japanese and Pacific nations teams to form a club competition - talent draft like the NFL or IPL, a trade system, and salary caps to promote even competition.

[@vvwalker7261]

I always said JJ and TB should have been the AB coaches

[@multipletanksyndrome]

If they want more game time with ball in play, stop the clock more. Stop the game clock when the ball is in touch, after a try, when waiting for a penalty kick or restart, and while setting up for a scrum.

[@Karma-qt4ji]

Asking for the ball to be in play more is asking to change the game or rugby entirely. Historically, there have always been scrums, lineouts, injuries and the game has always been stop start. We're asking to turn the 15 man game into 7's rugby while keeping it 15 man. Can't do that without removing place kicks, scrums, and pretty much everything that makes the 15 man game what it is.

[@jeffsteyn7174]

They must penalise them at the tackle and ruck as they should instead of the manage the game bs. Which litterally means the ref will ignore certain transgressions. Which creates these "grey" areas. When they experimented in super 12 the first few games were a sht show. With penalties at most rucks. But once the players realised the ref aint screwing around. The penalties reduced and the game sped up dramatically! Unfortunately, the northern teams voted against it. So it was never made part of the game.

[@ad2040]

If they want more game time they should stop over reffing the game, which is what is taking up all the time. They keep banging on about speeding up the game when its things like this endless TMO'ing to decide whether a player is carded, instead of a simple penalty and carry on, that is slowing the game down. Its becoming nannyball, not rugby.

[@multipletanksyndrome]

@@Karma-qt4ji I understand, and appreciate that the game is stop start. I'm not suggesting to change that. I'm simply saying stop and start the game clock along with the play of the ball. If a player feigns an injury, why allow the game clock to continue to run? Part of the reason there's a shot clock is to prevent players from running off five minutes, while taking a kick. So just stop the game clock entirely.

[@multipletanksyndrome]

@@ad2040 I disagree. If it were left up to the players, we'd get 15 minutes of ball in hand, for an 80 minute game, instead of the 35 minutes we get now.

[@travisschroeder1935]

I’m only at the beginning but JK is wrong about Andy Farrell, he is only leaving to focus on the Lions AFTER the november tests

[@thefobbie0034]

IF South Africa do take the expansive game route - opposition teams will come at them with the rush umbrella defense! Lets see what Tony Brown comes up with!

[@kaalvoet]

What is there to spy on us every coach know our game and said it to but it is how to stop us😂😂😂😂

[@NickSmit1987]

Why does NZ think they know what makes the game go forward? I respect the innovation and dominance this team has displayed over the last 100 years but let's be honest, the Silverlake interjection in NZ rugby is pushing some ridiculous narrative about rugby - it needs to be 'faster' or have more 'ball in play'. I don't know about everyone else but ball in play is not the only thing I look for in rugby. Also, the NFL outperforms the NBA in viewing numbers and rugby outperforms football / soccer in Ireland in viewing numbers. Both of those of sports have less ball in play and perform far better than their counterparts (NBA, soccer). Could it be that some VC has got everyone convinced the game can be broken down to a single metric? Also, the local league in NZ sucks. No one watches it. The viewership numbers have gotten worse during the 'ball in play' advocacy era of NZ rugby. Idk who they think they are to tell the rest of the world that this is what entertaining rugby looks like when their game is in the drain. Exactly how is NZ best suited to a game that requires fitness, it's not 2010 anymore. NZ is one of the worst performing teams during the tail end of the game. FItness has something to do with it. Could the ABs still outperform the Boks at a beep test, probably. Certainly, their forwards could. Could they outperform them at a grappling kind of endurance. I'd argue no, the Boks tend to dominate the grappling like conditions toward the end of the game. Yes, I know it's the bomb squad but it's also not exclusively that. They train against a very good forward pack during practice for a specific kind of endurance and even when the props play a long outing, they do well at the end when their endurance is overwhelming. I would love for NZ to be less cult like in their pursuit of a certain kind of rugby. I always thought rugby was great because its a game for all shapes and sizes. Unfortunately making it all running rugby would change that. I like seeing Cheslin vs Tamati Williams. This is the rugby I love and I can't stand every episode or press conference being about 'we want the game to be like so' (because Siilverlake ran some algorithm on youtube rugby media and realized 'oh the highlight reel is all tries. We need more tries'). Stop listening to some North American VC when it comes to rugby. They don't know anything. P.S Love Tony, big fan of the Boks including some NZ rugby IP in their national team. I think he's a great guy and clearly obsessed with the game in a romantic kind of way but manages to channel that romance with sound, logical, and analytical application.

[@jameshickling2641]

I dont understand why there aren't different red cards, like a blatant and obvious red card - like punching in the face or jumping on someones hand, something that no one is questioning - these should be full game, vs a tackle thats borderline or a mistake, those are ones that should be 20mins

[@daveburnham9111]

blatant offending is still at straight red ...no replacement.

[@skellator4848]

Varsity Cup is the bridge between school boy and professional player. It's gives the guys an education and opportunity to impress provincial coaches. It's similar to Friday Night Lights. The girls love them too, so that's a motivation 😂

[@HainiS-g8i]

Well. Whose. The. Winner. At. Rugby. World. Cup. 2023. NZ. Or. South. Africa

[@DavidShort-q1d]

Personally i feel the panel is being very optimistic about the number of victories this Autumn All the matches will be hard and competitive Japan and Italy won't be pushovers and as for the big three matches i don't see the ABs having any real advantages or playing better than Ireland ,England or France The age of New Zealand dominance is well and truly over and the northern players are just as good as the southern players these days

[@andreweggeltonpresenting]

That’s what ppl said going into the a World Cup last year - then we had 3 out of 4 teams in the semis were Southern Hemisphere When will you learn 🤷‍♂️

[@Wezwp]

It's different this time . South Africa is part of the northern hemisphere .

[@ianjacobs2998]

All Blacks win all the tests!! (THE "OTHER" SIDES ARE ARE JUST PRETENDERS TO THE THRONE !!!(🇿🇦🇿🇦FROM A SPRINGBOK SUPPORTER 😊😊😊

[@Sebastjens]

I concur. England, Ireland and France will smash the All Blacks and all hell will break lose.

[@williamnel4946]

I believe the AB's are moving forward, going to be contenders again very soon. Please beat Ireland and France AB's. 👍

[@lungabiyela9081]

Wait... Hold up... Was that Chris Brown? 40:27... Thought we wouldn't notice. You do know he beats women up, right?

[@garrae6981]

It’s taken South Africa 10 years to develop this. New Zealand had this previously now need to develop the game to a new level. However if NZ behave like South Africa responded in the early 90s it’s going to be long road .

[@JDaicos280]

Sad to see this Springboks teams is nearing ends of Springboks success. The old boys retiring will leave a huge hole in this team. Departures of Eben, Marx, Pollard, De Allende, Le Roux, Kolby that will be the 3rd times South Africa Springboks being absent. 1996-2006, 2008-2018 look like 2026-2036 they'll go missing for the 3rd times

[@Karma-qt4ji]

@@JDaicos280 did you even realise the worth of Ruan Nortje (26), Sacha Feinberg-Mngomezulu (22), Canaaan Moodie (21), Elrigh Louw (25), Aphelele Fassi / Damian Willemse (26), Gerhard Steenekamp (27)... just to name some of the youngsters coming through the ranks who were all involved in recent wins over the All Blacks? FYI, stop spouting the same bs and think for a bit... your 1996-2006 Springbok "slump" included a run of 17 wins in a row, a couple of which were against the All Blacks. That alone makes you look like a bit of a troll.

[@Spencer-z6k]

Which is why we should allow our top players to be available all year round whether they be in NZ, France, Japan, or wherever, you can see where Razor is coming from, how can he pick his best side when the best aren't available because of senseless red tape.....

[@demokkore895]

Damn john kirwan is annoying!

[@cbeats1715]

I think Ireland will be so motivated by their QF loss combined with ABs recent lack of ability to play rugby in the last 20-30 mins, France being simply a better team and England showing they are capable of pushing ABs in NZ that there is a risk of losing 3 matches and having to beat Italy comfortably to justify sticking with Razor. I don’t see this improvement they are all talking about, I feel like NZ rugby has been going in the wrong direction for years and as an example there are no 10s playing in NPC that make the future look any better

[@Marius_vanderLubbe]

24:25: Not wrapped right up top.

[@marlenakovacs9473]

hi.this is the first time that i have heard a all black team should lose a game ?

[@Baz-h9h]

Springboks aren't lucky to have Tony Brown, quite unlucky in fact

[@JDaicos280]

Desperate for a New Zealanders to be successful team. such school boys comments Hahahaha

[@kaalvoet]

​@@JDaicos280 you do realize he arrived after we won 2 rwc 😂😂😂😂

[@Baz-h9h]

@@kaalvoet NZRU sent him to try and disrupt the Springboks

[@michaelharris1322]

The abs forwards have to learn,if they were the playmaker, instead of 1st five to 2nd, forwards could start the move before them two,, making the attacking more faster and harder to stop especially with All Black calibra 😂😂

[@SavenacaSeru-p7w]

Steamers in final of the NPC just awesome

[@Hatunrumioc]

I can't believe the South Africans haven't realized Tony Brown is a well placed spy. We got the idea from Grimer Wormtongue in LOTRs.

[@AndrewAW-w2l]

South Africa doesn’t care - it’s always going to be - “what are you going to do about it” think about it the other way around- obtaining NZ IP

[@bunnychowmuncher]

People coach all over the world now and are Professionals and care about their jobs and integrity. Jacques Nienaber is a senior coach at Leinster but he and Erasmus won't be swapping information although they may join each other for social engagements and some beer or fine wine. If you watch the episode of The Breakdown right after the Rugby World Cup final in 2019 Tony Brown even said then that SA has emerging talent and he even hinted then he would love to coach in SA and quoted how much he enjoyed his stints with The Sharks and Stormers. Felix Jones and now Jerry Flannery may be Irish but they were and are 100% plugged into the Bok setup much like Mike Catt and Andy Farrell have done incredibly well at Ireland but would never give the English any info on their Irish team. You would kill your credibility and any future job if you did that so Tony likely also held back in this interview too and only gave out information that everyone knows already. These people are also all good friends off the field and work as a team. Tony and Jerry are not seeing this with patriotic goggles - its just their team against an opponent - no different from say Leon McDonald coaching the Blues but he played at The Crusaders and won't give Christchurch any information.

[@MorneMoses]

I dont trust Tony brown😮

[@bunnychowmuncher]

@MorneMoses Well if he is spying which I highly doubt and we are still winning heaven help them.

[@dehanvermaakt7629]

My man wearing underwater welding Goggles

[@jacquesrousseau5472]

Jeff u had the same feeling against South-africa as well

[@KernowekTim]

Mils, you'd "make the cage, maw". Old-skool Cornish hard-rock miner's terminology of deep respect for a man: "maw/boy" term of endearment. Straight as a die.

[@tevita6411]

Did someone ever asking him why he has never wanted to coach with the AB's?

[@ljawgtn1393]

......... in my opinion, not allowing some of our best players who are "of course" making the most of "by-normal-career-standards" their very small window of opportunity to actually make far-reaching significant financial improvements for their families and their children and their children and so on, by playing for the huge money abroad....... to not then allow those players to play for our country - ie their own flippin country, could almost be considered cruel! I personally think it's cruel. I fully understand that a Rugby board's decisions should be made by: what is best for New Zealand Rugby. that is not in question. but - IS what you are doing best for New Zealand Rugby?? Thats the Question.

[@peteredwards62]

My god, best of luck AB’s because I think you will need it , what a load of waffle 😮

[@MK-jj1kf]

Andy Farrell is there in November jk

[@honahwikeepa2115]

AB's are soft in the contact area. You get no respect here. However they are becoming more aggressive here which is crucial. You don't build a rugby legacy by being soft. Bokkie is big, but he's soft. The AB legacy doesn't lie.

[@ashinch0r]

Losing by 1 point and kickers missing 3 opportunities with one of the kickers playing with a concussion for pretty much the whole game... that's not close? Seriously? Give me a break.

[@andrewmakin8151]

apart form mills, the 2 men here seem to have moved off the ground and up into the clouds.

[@silavaasione4563]

South Africa is number one in the World they are King of rugby

[@JDaicos280]

Nahh, they'll be missing for 10 years 😂 1996-2006 😂 2008-2018 went missing 😂 welcome back 😂😂

[@chasey2327]

get real john. they got lucky in the world cup - 3 x one point wins and a very jammy result against france where the best team on the paddock lost.

[@JDaicos280]

Get a grips on your own history you can't changed it. It's a facts wake up! Not everything about Springboks thinks you guys are special lol

[@JDaicos280]

King of Steroids and cheating "get real now" 😂

[@wot4922]

​@@chasey2327We didn't get lucky. Do you think it was easy for our boys to go out every weekend and get beaten up by the top teams. Yet they pulled of the wins. Would you have been able to do that ? Please go mock someone else. I won't call our boys " Kings of Rugby" but I have mad respect for them putting their bodies on the line✌💚💛🇿🇦

[@Badmansband]

My expectation: win 5. Reality: win 2.

[@Randallllll-o2f]

24:20 PLS MAKE JK PRESIDENT OF WORLD RUGBY🙏🙏

[@fu8713]

All blacks win 5/5 of course ✊✊