Allen Klein - Part One

[@pastywhite6669]

Twenty-six minutes in. This is incredible. Fascinating. Thank you, gentlemen.

[@merickbrother2122]

Lovely listen! I've been a Beatles fan my whole life and I stumbled on your podcast searching for more info of the Klein era. Starting episode two now!

[@christianstough6337]

I'm getting ready to listen to this.. 1) I hope at some point you guys list your sources 2) ...and if the story doesn't take into account the deals sabotaged by John Eastman, I'm going to scream.

[@christianstough6337]

I'm going back over this as I reread things about Klein. I think the biggest thing everyone misses about Klein is this: His job was to make his clients money. He should be primarily judged on that. Also, this is the best take on Klein I have listened to on the Internet. Period. The best sources I have found on Klein are: Goodman; "Allen Klein: The man who bailed out the Beatles, made the Stones ..."; Dogget: "You Never Give Me Your Money; " ; Southall and Perry: "Northern Songs....". Now, onto my final take on your take. Klein's job is to make his clients money. He is a financial manger, not a personal manager and the distinction is important. The Beatles are also looking to secure more of their publishing and copyrights and contracts as they can. Klein's forte as manger , prior to the Beatles was in gaining more money for his clients and in creating more revenue streams for them and himself. The positive take on his career prior to the Beatles was that Klein definitely was making more money for his clients. He was also creating new revenue streams of them to make money with. The biggest criticism of Klein was that he not sharing many of those new revenue streams with his clients and that some of those revenue stream she created for himself would not have existed without his relationship with his clients. This is why the distinction between personal manager and business manager is important. For a business manger, using your clients to make yourself more money is beside the point. If you have made your clients money, your job with them is done, what you do with your own money is your own business. Even if that includes using the capital of your clients that is lying idle . That is what a bank does and there is nothing wrong with it. If one is a personal manager, then using that money should be done to enhance your clients and your own financial position. I think the Marine Faithful quote is nonsense. Either it didn't happen or if it did, it had no impact on Lennon's decision to meet with Klein on January 27th. Lennon and Ono's meeting with Klein is where Lennon makes the decision to go with him full stop. Going forward, I'm not sure if Jagger had all his ducks in a row for him to make the shift from Klein to himself/Lowenstein as the Stones business managers in January of 1969. Jagger is already working with Lowenstien in 1968 (according to Goodman) , so I think Jagger is already thinking of dumping Klein at that point in 1968. In fall of 1969, Klein is not helping the Stones with their American tour, as he did in the past, so the split between Jagger/Klein is already happening at that point. Of course, by early February 1969, Klein isn't paying the Stones much attention anyhow.

[@mohammedrashid2906]

Thanks

[@kengk1234]

thanks for all the uploads. Will take time to get through all of them. Great work.

[@chriscampanozzi6516]

Thank you for the great information. Allen Klein has always been a bit of an engma. Your comments shed a real light on Klein's way of thinking and his business model.

[@andrewarthurmatthews6685]

Your vids are just so entertaining and a mine of information. Well done

[@michaelroberts7959]

Great series lads... very enjoyable. Small note - I think Witness has a cover of Sam Cooke's song? I remember being unimpressed when I saw the film in theatres, and wondered why they didn't use the original. Maybe they did, Klein arced up and they commissioned a soundalike to sideline Klein as far as the recording if not the publishing? Either way it's not Sam's version and I'm sure Klein had his fingerprints on something! 🙂

[@gammakeraulophon]

Hi.. wonder if you can tell us what the music is in the background at the start of your video. Would have been nice had it been credited in the description. Much thanks..!

[@stevencockcroft2080]

Jason composed it and put it together on Garagreband.

[@gammakeraulophon]

​@@stevencockcroft2080 Is it available anywhere? (Download or whatever?) Cheers

[@arikcarlo]

As this series appears to be dedicated to trashing characters in the entertainment industry, any chance we might find out about the trashing of hotel rooms by British rock bands on alcohol and drugs? I would like that.

[@mattkaustickomments]

45:20 The Who absolutely dominated the Rock ‘n’ Roll Circus. THAT is the reason the Stones shelved the film. They and every other act were completely upstaged. The Who’s performance of “A Quick One” mini-opera was PERFECT. Not one flubbed note. Hi energy. Perfect harmony. It’s almost hard to believe it’s recorded live. It’s not like I’m a complete Who maniac either, although they are in my top 6 favorite bands/artists (Beatles, Kinks, Bowie,Who,Stones, Zep). Their performance just flat out “won” in that movie.

[@jmad627]

Indeed The Who were a fantastic live act on stage. I saw them once.

[@humanbeing5300]

@@jmad627Supposedly they just ended a long tour a few days prior so they were on fire compared to the Stones. Amazing energy that literally transfers thru film

[@christianstough6337]

OK. overall, It's not looking good (good mention of the Goodman book, and I'm, assuming you guys have also read the Rupert and Dogett books). Just once I would like an objective look at what this guy did without the surrounding hype. To be sure, hype (or reputation) played a huge role in Klein's method, and in the end, it really bites him in the a$$, but what is the context of what he has to work with (what were his cards) and what does he actually do for them or do that hurts them (does he do a good job of playing those cards). As he enters the scene, the choice being pushed is the Eastmans, or more correctly John Eastman, or Klien- that's the choice on offer. What were their resumes at that time the choice was being offered. How do they compare and what was the most reasonable choice in that moment and then, in hindsight. After that, what role did the John Eastman (or Paul) play in the situation going forward. (Since Paul obviously continued to use Eastman as his proxy). I say this because John Eastman has a huge role in blowing up the NEMS deal and the Northern Songs deal; not the only role, but a pretty big one.

[@transferdatathreewally24]

A level kleinology

[@Canyon2023]

You don't even go into Klein's major deception and colossal rip off of Sam Cooke.

[@watchtheskys]

He was after control of the Beatles and their music. He went after John because John was the weakest member, ex. He had a huge blind spot where Yoko was concerned. Klein exploited that like elhe exploited Sam Cooke's desire for fair treatment by hus label, RCA

[@justiceforjamespaulmccartney]

James Paul McCartney died in car crash on September 11 1966 and was replaced by William (Billy). This is the truth no matter what!

[@user-onpointe]

Swift sucks

[@seltaeb9691]

Who is doing all this yabbing & naval gazing?

[@andrewarthurmatthews6685]

This is not for your but rather for music lovers

[@willdobson7351]

It is an audio documentary about Allen Klein for whom there is very little information readily available. Most Beatles fans would see some merit in this, but it is rather a deep dive!