ALLEN M. SUMNER CLASS DESTROYER BRIEF - NO. 64

[@AlanTalbott-be7gt]

I was stationed on the USS Franklin D Rosevelt from 1972 to 1976. During that time, we made two Med cruses. The Allen M Sumner DD692 was one of our escort ships. I remember refueling with her alongside the Pawcatuck (AO 108) fleet oiler at the same time. I remember as we refueled how steady the Rosevelt traveled through the water while the Sumner bounced up and down while riding the waves. That big 692 hull number sticks in my mind as if it were yesterday. I also got to ride the Pawcatuck for 2 days in the Med while being transported back to the Rosevelt. Lots of good memories.

[@masterskrain2630]

Sumner and Gearing class Destroyers had 4 Boilers, not 8, as stated in the narration.

[@NeilAnderson-nr7zc]

My Dad served aboard one of the Sumner class ships mentioned in this video, DD 755 (USS John A. Bole) from 1951 to ‘53. The Bole supported Task Force 77 off the Korean Peninsula and the China Sea during the Korean War. Thanks for the video, well done. God bless the Tin Can Sailors!

[@martinswiney2192]

My uncle was lost with most of his crew mates on the Drexler off the coast of Okinawa May 28, 1945. Two kamikaze hits cut it in half when the second hit detonated the aft 5” magazine. Rest easy Uncle Burton.

[@jamesreed1554]

Would like to see one done on the USS brush, I appreciate your commentary and the information, God bless all those who have served in all of our armed forces and this particular video done on the Navy.

[@WildBillCox13]

I was a Knox class crewman. Habitability and sensor fit were vastly improved over the Sumner class, while armament, speed, and range, were considerably reduced. With one screw, one rudder, and a 30kt (straining every rivet) top speed, the Knoxes were specialized ASW escorts, opposed to the Sumner class' more general purpose fit. Oddly enough, the Knox class was close to TWICE the Sumner's displacement. A bit strange that, in an era where potential enemy subs were able to make 25kts+ submerged, the Knox class emphasized ASW weapon range over class maneuverability and high dash speed. We were fitted for a Helo, but I never saw one land on the helo deck or be stored in our hangar. ASW warfare on the Knox class was the province of SoNAR and ASROC (and to a lesser extent small ASW torpedoes). The age of the "roll 'em off the fantail!" Depth Charge was over by 1972. Our AA defenses were lousy, with a Mk l Eyeball directed PDMS (an 8 cell Sea Sparrow box launcher with a guidance turntable above the fantail) and the 5"/38cal forward. I was a snipe, but that gun was more precious to me than our engines. In my view, what's needed in ASW warfare is an effective anti-TORPEDO weapon. It's most likely our boys will detect an enemy sub only when it fires a a weapon at us. By then it's too late for the surface ship to do anything but prepare for the afterlife. Why? Because we need an effective anti-Torpedo weapon or device. Decoys are cute, but a dumb torpedo will still go right through them as if they don't exist.

[@VintageCarHistory]

Which Knox class? I was an FC on USS Barbey FF1088.

[@patrickmccrann991]

Knox class had a 5 inch 54 cal gun not 5/38. Garcia class (FF-1040 to 1051) were the last class to have 5 inch 38 cal guns.

[@devobronc]

Well, sounds like it was the best-possible ASW Destroyer. This version was more Pacific, and ready for GunFights and Air Attacks.

[@randymyers2544]

My first ship was a Sumner class John W Thomason DD-760 and my last was putting the John Knox DE-1052 into commission at Bremerton, Wa. The class was later changed from DE to FF

[@WildBillCox13]

@@randymyers2544 Cool! The Sumner/Gearings were the ultimate WW2 design.

[@pasqualecavallaro6671]

My father was an NCO on the USS Haynsworth, in the late 50's to through the 60's. He was part of the Bay Of Pig's invasion and was fired upon in Vietnam.

[@jollyjohnthepirate3168]

Gearing class destroyers were Sumner's with a longer hull. There wasn't enough room on the Sumners for crew and added greater fuel bunkerage.

[@robertmcmillan1494]

In your listing of the ships in the class, my ship was incorrectly listed as the Ingram. Her correct name was the USS Ingraham DD-694. She took a kamikaze in 1945 but was repaired and received the FRAM 2 alteration. She was sold to the Greek navy in 1971.

[@sparrowhawk3894]

I was a crewman on Ingraham DD-694 in 1967-68 then when she was in the Boston shipyard I transferred to Comcrudesflot two in Newport RI. I Made the Med cruse in 68 on Ingrahsm and another med cruse with CCDF2 in 69-70 Flagship USS Columbus CG-12.

[@tomcoleman4207]

My Dad was on the Alfed Cunningham after serving on the New Jersey 1953, he will be 90 in July 2024! Go Navy…

[@denniscorcoran6391]

I was a Radioman/teletype repairman aboard the DD 752 Alfred a Cunningham in 65 and 66...Prior to reporting to her in Pearl Harbor I spent a year in Adak, Alaska working in the Navcomsta control center...I worked the receiver and transmitter sites to change frequencies that carried 16 channel single side band trunks to Japan, Honolulu and Kodiak...

[@jamesmills5940]

My Uncle was on the Moale DD 693 during WW 2 .He was drafted and was sent to boot camp he spent 2 weeks in boot camp I mean 2 weeks He was sent to the Moale and would finish training onboard they had several of the NEW Alan M. Sumner DD692 class and needed crews fast. They went to the Panama Canal , Took part in Leyte battles .Later got in a typhoon and got her bow damaged ,

[@pitsnipe5559]

Follow up to the Sumner’s were the Gearing class. These were then followed by the Forrest Sherman class. The Knox class were originally follow ups to WWII destroyer escorts and were originally classified as DE’s. Sumner/Gearing class had four, not eight, boilers. 600 psig B&W with controlled superheat. Leary DD879 Charles P. Cecil DD835 Glennon DD840

[@sparrowhawk3894]

I served on a Sumner class; USS Ingraham DD-694 in 1967-1968. Following the 68 Med Cruse she went into the Boston shipyard and I was transferred to Comcrudesflot 2 in Newport R.I.. made another med cruse in 1969 with CCDF2 // CTG 60.2 Flagship USS Columbus CG-12 .

[@burnedbread4242]

Did not expect for a video to come out at this time

[@johnc1957]

Would really love to hear and see more of the Allen M. Summer 692. My father was on this ship.

[@rpm1796]

Nice work Cmdr. Just joined ship...Possible to give the RCN a shout?....say, the St.Laurent Classes? Slain te'🍻

[@timengineman2nd714]

USS Joesph Kennedy was an Allen M. Sumner that was converted into a DDG. She is in the Massachusetts Naval Anchorage....

[@nichtvorhanden5928]

Thanks for the Video.

[@joshuajwars4271]

Hold it Shipyard Colet & Borie which are from USA plus Phoenix were sold not to scrap but Navy of Argentina the Phoenix became October 17 but it was named General Manny Manuel Belgrano which got sunk in Falklands War the 2 mentioned ships were named Piedra Buena and Hipolito Hippolyte Bouchard plus Port Rosales tanker joined in when HMS Conqueror tracking below spotted Phoenix now General Manny Manuel Belgrano opened fire 3 torpedoes 1 went for Bouchard leaving impact mark but 2 sent Belgrano into the freezing depths which meant at the same time these ships in South America 1 got scrapped while Michiel the Rider now Admiral Miguel Cervantes Grau became a museum ship with all it's cannons on board also USS Hank was sold to Navy of Argentina calling itself ARA Yoder Segui.

[@TimGivens-cx7cf]

I was on the uss Samuel n Moore dd 747 64 /66

[@mtbodyfarm5174]

Please do one on the "CLEVELAND CLASS CRUISERS". USS BIRMINGHAM in particular.

[@paulkersey2179]

My father was on the USS Meredith DD 726, it was hit and sunk by German aircraft off Omaha Beach only 7 months after commissioning.

[@masterskrain2630]

I served on U.S.S. Meredith DD-890, the last of the Gearing Class in the early 70s.

[@paulkersey2179]

@@masterskrain2630 I was on the USS Grand Canyon and worked on the 890 many times

[@jackddg22]

@@masterskrain2630 Me too, helped dscomm her. Good ship, great crew!!

[@williamhoward8319]

the torpido tubes were on the main deck midships

[@deranged_engineering1847]

Bravo friend

[@guardian-kh9sx]

NOICE

[@thomasirelan9999]

Can you also include feer

[@williamhoward8319]

did not hear uss epperson dde 719

[@careycustomrifle]

Lyman K Swenson DD729

[@baozuci3594]

First time I've ever heard of pentuple being used in place of quintuple. Is that even a word?

[@j.d.schultzsr.9215]

"Pentuple" (derived from Greek for five) is indeed a word. Although using it in combination with a Latin word (e.g., quintuple) renders it much less common, it nevertheless DOES have the same meaning. Having a HS diploma, two Associates, a BA, prolific reading and ocassional composition, I thought I understood the differences between "penta" and "quint." My investigational sojourn into this question casted it in an entirely new light.

[@baozuci3594]

Regardless, having read a lot about how they describe the torpedo armament of a ship, nobody uses the word pentuple in any of it.

[@j.d.schultzsr.9215]

@@baozuci3594 , Your first comment pointed out that the use of rhe word was unusual and questioned its mere existance. Because the use of a word is inconsistent does not make it wrong.

[@baozuci3594]

I'm not saying it's wrong, but tuple and quint is from Latin and penta is from Greek. Why try to mash the two together? People who do that is just showing off for those stupid enough to not even find out.

[@j.d.schultzsr.9215]

@@baozuci3594, Does showing off someone's verbal facility threaten your role as grammar police officer?

[@markkelly7654]

How u doing shipmate?

[@ChevelleSS-yr3gb]

American ships are built in feet and inches.

[@TheShipYard2]

the age old war of Imperial against metric, what to use. For consistency, i try to do everything in metric as a larger % of the world uses Metric, and i understand it better

[@ChevelleSS-yr3gb]

Pirates stole the metric system when the US tried to get it from France

[@devobronc]

Sumner was a SOLID Class...and made to fulfill all US Destroyer Missions.

[@stephenmccandless5113]

USS Blue VN..