Victorian Christmas Traditions - Sarah Beeny's Rise Hall Christmas - Christmas Documentary

[@louiselill1528]

Thank you for sharing your beautiful home with us. I really enjoyed this

[@susanfarley1332]

My grandmothers parents did not put up a christmas tree until the children went to sleep on christmas eve. Christmas day their father got up early and started fires in the downstairs fireplaces , then lit the candles on the christmas tree and called down the children. The candles did not stay lit long due to the danger of fire. I imagine the magic of seeing the lit christmas tree on christmas morning was an awesome thing to wake up to. Many many years later when we were very poor and struggling i was not expecting much of a christmas when i was 7 years old. On christmas morning i woke up and went into the living room. Amazingly there was a decorated tree with the lights on and i had never seem such a lovely tree. The colored lights shone through the angel hair artfully arranged so carefully. They looked like they were in a fog. I never seen a tree decorated like that since then. Gorgeous! ( The angel hair is made from fine glass fibers. I imagine it was like handling itchy fiberglass). We were rather poor at the time and i believe my mother sold her wedding rings to pay for it since i never saw them after that christmas. It is one of two christmas i remember very fondly since there were so special .

[@Canuckmom128]

Amazing story. Reminds me of O. Henry’s “The Gift of the Maji”. I think a lot, if not most people go through a time when money is particularly tight. I know we did - two youngish boys, and double lay-offs when the IT boom began to wane. I never had to sell my rings, but it came close to going to a food bank. We still managed to squeeze out a happy Christmas. That’s when you really know it’s about the love and not the gifts. I wish you well this Christmas. ✌️🎄🎅🏻

[@susanfarley1332]

@@Canuckmom128 thank you for your comment. I know my mom loved us dearly. Even animals knew she was a very loving person. I had her for three more years after that and I wish it had been more.

[@lindaharvey2649]

@@Canuckmom128,

[@farmboy_bry]

Bless your parents, wherever they're now, for doing their best in the most difficult of times.

[@ngahuiroimatanutira-langda4153]

Incredible story on how we managed. I one year sold my vacuum cleaner to get some presents and food

[@susanfarley1332]

When i was 9 my mom was sick in the hospital and it was going to be a sad christmas without her. Her friend went and got a a sad scrawny christmas tree and helped me and my brother to decorate it. It was so sparse of needles but we made it look lovely with many icicles. This was when they were made of lead instead of plastic tinsel. It draped beautifully and filled in the starseness of the mostly bare branches and when we added the ornaments it was complete. I was surprised the next morning when me and my brother found gifts under it. A couple of metal tonka trucks for my brother and a coat made of fake leather made to look like a spotted black and white cow. When i tried it on and turned up the collar around my neck i realized it would make a great spy trenchcoat. When my mom came home and i was sent to get her prescriptions from the pharmacy and it was raining lightly. I imagined i was a spy on a secret mission. My ugly little coat had become an important prop for my imagination. Better than any toy ever! It was a very small christmas that year but it one of two christmases i remember with happiness.

[@deaconfrost4100]

No matter what happened before or after the magic shined through and those memories are the best part ❤

[@susanegley4149]

What precious memories! ❤

[@darkrose1983]

I went to school in Rise Hall. I was one of the terrors from the convent based there. I now live in Australia and find programs like this fascinating. ❤️🎄🎁🇦🇺

[@moniquemannaert3468]

What a memory! Why did you decide to be a terror, have you moved to get away from it all and has it influenced your work today in any way? Wishing you a sense of home comfort and peace with four leggeds. Stay blessed. 🍂🎄🦌🦌

[@elizabethmayrose8521]

Bravo, Sarah and family! Your hard work saved a beautiful home from the wrecking ball. I’m so glad that you’ve made it into a wedding venue. What a gift to marrying couples! Loved that you and the family completely immersed yourselves in period costume and customs. Your children are on board with it all. They were actually grateful for whatever they received as Christmas presents. You’ve taught them well!

[@Howiesgirl]

It's nice hearing that so many Christmas cards are still being sent in the UK today. Unfortunately, I don't think it's such a big thing in the US anymore. I still send them, but rarely receive any. Apparently just a quick Facebook post wishing everyone a Merry Christmas is now good enough. It's a shame. Sometimes a physical card is the only "gift" a lonely person may get. I'm a widow, with no children. I'd love to find cards in my mailbox.

[@CFinch360]

We personally don't send or receive physical cards any more, but "a quick FaceBook post wishing everyone a Merry Christmas" is not the norm amongst my friends nor anyone I know-we send and receive individual texts, many pictures, and all the news. It's much more personal and interesting than a card or one of those printed 'yearly letters' people used to send out. And it's much more spontaneous and immediate-no waiting days or weeks to get a card. Plus you can be sure that your electronic message is actually delivered/read! FYI I'm above 65 years old, and if I feel lonely, I volunteer to help others, it instantly erases any sadness or loneliness.

[@Howiesgirl]

@@CFinch360 I guess each person is different in what they like. I've never done emails because I never could afford a computer, & didn't get a smart phone until I was able to get one for very low cost from a govt program. My phone data is the only internet I have. And I love going to get my mail & finding something other than bills during the month of December. And I like to hang the cards up for decoration. It's wonderful that you're able to volunteer. Unfortunately, my health keeps me at home or at the cancer center most of the time. Although, even if I weren't so ill, my lack of transportation limits where I can go. (Small town, no public transport.) Thankfully my medical care comes with it's own transportation, or I'd be in a jam. Hope 2024 has started out well for you- I wish you the best.

[@JohnPotts-kq7kk]

One reason Christmas Cards have lost popularity in the U.S. is because our postage rates keep going up as well as price of cards. I now only send to those who have no family or live far away usually less than 10 cards which will cost me over $20 to buy nice cards & pay the postage!

[@adamellis3093]

My wife and i would be honoured to send you a xmas card 🎉

[@moniquemannaert3468]

​@@JohnPotts-kq7kk€202would get you 4 to 5 nice cards in Europe, no specisl stamp adder, which are dold by the sheet of 20. Your pruces are so low, you don't realize, as travel outside of the bubble doesn't happen enough.. Stay blessed and a beautiful season to you and yours. 🍂🎄🦌🦌

[@IanCropper]

I love the reaction of your children to the makeshift Xmas gifts of wartime Britain. Sheer magic! May we all be so thankful and captivated this Xmas! 😅

[@mrs.anonymous6291]

To susaan farley in the comment below: your comment actually made me cry when you said that your mother might have had to sell her wedding rings for you children to have lighted Christmas tree in the morning. Now that is true love. My Father's parents (my grans) also would set up the tree on Christmas Eve for the morning unveiling the thought was that SAint Nic brought tree. Meanwhile it was his older brothers and sisters who had the task of putting all up!!!

[@emma-victoria933]

This is what my mum did as a girl. And I when I was a girl

[@moniquemannaert3468]

Excellent fun! Thank you for your beautiful story. 🍂🎄🦌🦌

[@alankolling5760]

I love every program with Sarah Beeny!!

[@wackthegood8884]

Christmas traditions through the ages... This was as entertaining as it was informative. Great fun to watch! Merry Christmas everyone.

[@JohnPotts-kq7kk]

Unfortunately, did not find this fantastic wonderful Victorian Christmas video until now, so enjoyed watching it on this hot summer day in August here in Missouri U.S.A.

[@terri348]

I don't know if it was a standard tradition or just my grandmother's. But, she made a Christmas cake with a charm in it. Whoever got the charm would have good luck in the new year. My mom and her sisters each had charm bracelets with the charms they got from the cake. Sadly those bracelets were lost through time. But it was a way to keep the spirit of Christmas alive through the whole year.

[@tiffytattoo2450]

It's more of a french tradition on January 6th, Kings-Day. They bake a little ceramic figurine with the cake and who gets it is said to have luck and wears a paper crown for the day.

[@moniquemannaert3468]

Both delightful! 🍂🎄🦌🦌

[@aruvielevenstar3944]

In our country, the Netherlands, Father Christmas is Sint Nicolaas, or Sinterklaas as everyone calls him. He brings presents through the chimney in our shoes who stand before the fireplace. We celebrate it 5 December

[@susanegley4149]

How interesting! Why on the 5th?

[@moniquemannaert3468]

​@@susanegley4149his birthday is on the 6th and as a bishop he believed more in giving than taking, so he gave the children presents the evening prior and celebrated a full heart on his birthday. The similarities don't fully overlap and there are quite a few stories around Saint Nicolaas, so it's fun to look into if you like. We celebrate both the Sinterklaas feast in children's and adult's versions and the winter solstice originally, that later was claimed by the church as the birth of Christ. Either way, many blessings to all..! 🍂🎄🦌🦌

[@susanegley4149]

@@moniquemannaert3468 Thank you! I will look into it! 💙

[@aruvielevenstar3944]

@@susanegley4149 it is his birthday

[@aruvielevenstar3944]

@@moniquemannaert3468 in belgium they celebrate it the 6th, I have no idea why 😅

[@Dragonfly20233]

How interesting that the old fashioned original Christmas card said "Merry Christmas" rather than "Happy Christmas." Loved this doc!

[@ajrwilde14]

It's not interesting that's just what we say in Britain, "Happy Christmas" is American.

[@breastokan1738]

​@ajrwilde14 I have lived in America (USA) my whole life, and we say Merry Christmas, we all thought you guys say Happy Christmas! Haha maybe, Merry Christmas was an original saying, and it's an adaptation to say "Happy Christmas" either way we understand 😄 ❤ so however you say it I hope you had a wonderful Christmas 🎄

[@heidimiller5475]

Thank you for sharing this with us. I had no idea that Holly, the plant, was a sign of eternal life. We have loads of this plant on our property. We are Christians, so the symbolism is so very important to us.

[@corneliabayley723]

As an American, I really enjoyed this historical fun show. Very interesting, very well done and comprehensive.

[@frankquevedo6001]

My lovely wife is against any early, though she is British, Christmas before Thanksgiving celebrations, is taboo. I, being 100% American sneak in Christmas; ANYTIME! And I am very happy I have! This VICTORIAN CHRISTMAS Video is spot on,!!! so on Black Friday I’m watching this Loverly program with her again!

[@moniquemannaert3468]

Good on yah! Happy sneakin'..!

[@toniajeen]

Wow! Restoring that place is incredible. I'm proud and happy that you guys did , instead of tearing it down.😅

[@danielgatchell871]

so special seeing the happier times of this family amidst Sarah's courageous cancer battle and her strained marriage with her husband. I had no idea what happened to the family after this documentary was done so I looked it up and was shocked.

[@Neddoest]

Well now I’m curious what happened.

[@lorihogue5015]

Lovely video! Rise Hall belonged to my family (Neville & Plantagenet) from 1372 to 1471. So interesting to see what's been done in later generations. Bless you for rescuing this beautiful historic home. Happy Christmas 💖

[@heidimiller5475]

When I drank wine, I drank Hogue wine. Nice to meet you.

[@lorihogue5015]

@@heidimiller5475 I often drink Hogue Riesling myself. We think the Hogue winery in Washington must be a relation. My husbands family name used to be spelled Haig. They were the oldest distillers of whisky in Scotland - starting in 1620. They got in trouble once for distilling on the Sabbath, according to family legend. Their brand was Haig & Haig (called Dimple or Pinch) for the distinctive bottle. The family sold the distillery long ago.

[@linpollitt8950]

​​@@lorihogue5015 I can remember the old TV ad from the 60s "Don't be vague, ask for Haig" Isn't it funny how these things stay in your memory?

[@linpollitt8950]

Also, it's fascinating that your ancestors were the Nevilles and Plantagenets. The royal family and one of the most powerful families of the 15th century. They were joined by tne marriage of Ann Neville and Richard of York, later Richard III. Wow!

[@lorihogue5015]

@@linpollitt8950 Richard III was my first cousin. My tree reads like a 'Who's Who' of British and European royalty and nobility. All that inbreeding you know.

[@chrisnorman9980]

This lady has such an engaging, wry yet warm personality - it made learning about a fascinating subject even better.

[@lindathomas5500]

Brawn is actually really nice, I remember my father making it when we were kids in the seventies! You could actually order pigs heads and trotters for brawn from the butchers back then!

[@inishireland]

Thank you so much for this wonderful program. When I was a child, my father really made Christmas extra special after he died it was never the same.

[@PamelaLewis-u1k]

Thank you so much for sharing your home & decking the halls with this American God bless and a wonderful New Year

[@walbiramurray5762]

I really enjoyed this video, thank you.

[@beckyrivers1011]

Thank you for saving this grand country house!

[@suefoulkes2755]

You and your family did a wonderful job creating this video!! I loved it and will share! Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year!!!🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲🌲

[@terri348]

Tree was up before Christmas. Mom and dad decorated Christmas Eve after we were in bed. Magic on very early Christmas day!!!

[@ritaking8827]

The children made this video! I loved it! I haven’t gotten a wrapped Christmas gift in 30 years lol my own children are not sentimental at all! So I buy my own gifts. My husband has not ever given me a Christmas gift our whole marriage! And every year I dream of the perfect Christmas! I always buy and make gifts and give them away… I’m still waiting on my big Christmas… maybe this year…

[@jacqueline8559]

I'm so sad to read this. Maybe you should have made your Christmas dreams known, years ago. You give gifts to everyone. Your husband and Adult children are selfish and uncaring of your needs. My brother in law is the same. He's a millionaire, yet never even buys a card for my sister. She gives him a huge sack of gifts!! I loathe that man

[@joanware6473]

Wow, so enjoyed this video and loved seeing the boys when they were so young, aahhh, wishing you all a very happy Christmas.

[@maureenhartley1093]

What a beautiful family you have, you and your lovely husband a truly blessed. A Happy New Year to you all.☃️🔔❣️

[@barbaradzitko1826]

Enjoyed this video. Thank you for sharing your house and family.

[@lorraineastrop9581]

Thank you for all the history, entertainment. I enjoyed this so very much!

[@delialee6320]

Love it ! Appreciate very much the beautiful story, history of certain Christmas traditions & its origins cleverly narrated and acted out in full detail interspersed with witty anecdotes here & there. Thank you ❤

[@memories970]

I love this and look forward to watching more. Thank you for sharing your home and traditions. Merry Christmas from the USA.

[@SF-ru3lp]

Lovely programme. Thank you all. G Ire

[@apippin774]

fantastic documentary about Christmas!

[@BessieMann]

I remember people would sale mistletoe when I was a child. My Mother made her own Christmas wreath an a delicious meal. Snow came early also in November now you lucky to see snow on Christmas. Brawn is really good

[@fayecox9401]

So enjoyed this ❤

[@clarkjeppesen]

This was wonderful thank you. I especially enjoyed learning where tinsel came from

[@djtrokdog]

Awesome!!!

[@pearl2910]

This was a lovely Video Thanks 🎄

[@kathleenmckeithen118]

This was wonderful and thank you so much!!😊

[@rustymackemingrancanaria6360]

I love Sarah Beeny shows ❤

[@lanemaund5097]

This was brilliant 👍

[@marlopez1927]

Precioso documental!🌲🪵🇪🇸

[@gemini62167]

The servant problem as it was known was not just because of the wars, but due to the poor finally having more choices due to the industrial revolution. The new factories, offices, and all the businesses that came to be as a result of the industrial revolution provided opportunities for poor that they never had before. No more were they limited to either farming or serving in the big houses, being exploited and subjugated by the wealthy. They would work long horrible hours day after day and receive very little pay, were often treated no better than dogs, and were often reminded that their station in life was to serve the wealthy. That all began to end during the late 19th century and early 20th when the poor could become factory workers, office workers, retail sales people, etc. That this was somehow quietly not mentioned while using the Great Wars as the primary reason leaves me suspect on some of the other information offered. As a side note; I picked up quite early in the presentation a tone of glamorizing the wealthy aristocracy at the expense of the lower class--the poor. It seems as if this has a rather classism aspect to it that intentionally ignores the ugliness of the masses who were not part of the merchant or middle class or the landed gentry and above. But rather makes it seem as if there were no issues or strife suffered by the servants at all. When in fact their lives were terrible and centered entirely upon insuring their masters lives were perfect no matter what it took. And it took quite a lot, meaning it could mean the difference between life and death for a servant who fails in those duties. Actually, for those who were really captivated by the Downton Abbey series, this issue was very much talked about and ran throughout the series. Also, this issue was written about often within the many many house management books put out during the Victorian and Edwardian period. Of which many being in the public domain are freely available to read or download at the Internet Archive.

[@teresaharris-travelbybooks5564]

In a time when large family gatherings are nearly extinct, I'd pay to experience something like this.

[@Annathejourney]

Thank you for a fantastic insight into the history of Xmas.

[@christinehodge3608]

Very interesting video,

[@sheilaackers3854]

Great program thank you.

[@melaniedelacruz3206]

WOW Christmas must be most grateful in a snowy land🎄🤩🎉💯🙌🏼🫰🏼🌟🔥💞✌🏼☕🥐🛐💛

[@Angela-g1q4q]

Very cool

[@Justmeher]

Thank you for sharing this video I found it so interesting. I'd love to take my boys to something like this. They'd hate it lol but I think they'd also come away appreciating what they have more. Thanks again loved it

[@TheSweetsherrypie]

I love this video ❤🎄🎅

[@Blackbird47634]

I watched it give me some past Christmas ideas

[@barbaralowe3729]

It all looks wonderful

[@RavenGent]

This is grand, like imagined a Victorian Christmas. But I'm trying to figure a Victorian Christmas in America especially on the frontier.

[@susanegley4149]

I would also love to see a video about this! I think it would be incredibly low key due to not having much. Perhaps a special meal by their standards, church, and a small toy. ❤

[@kimphilpin1062]

I grew up eating brawn my mother cooked it in our wonderful old Tudor house. I wonder how many cooks had cook it there before my mother.

[@SmilerORocker]

12:32 it still has beef suet in it these days if its the right stuff 👍🇮🇪

[@anthonylewischurchill-theg233]

Excellent

[@piligarcia4771]

Pigs ears are delish.. Here in Celtic Galicia it, s a common food, and the headband the tail, the stomach, and just about everything in a pig is eaten. Morcilla made from pigs blood, raisins and dried fruits are eaten all year round.

[@pim1234]

Sarah Beeny is charming ...

[@MelanieE.3331]

Interesting... Fun fact = Decorating your house with poinsettias actually comes from the Aztecs, poinsettias are native to Mexico city, every winter the Aztecs decorated their houses with these flowers and decorated the streets of tenochtitlan too, they ate berries and sugar cane during the winter season (they ate many things but the most important thing is the seasonal fruits and vegetables they ate following the aztec calendar). Eating pumpkins during the fall comes from the aztecs as well although the aztecs ate different pumpkins, the pumpkin that nowdays is used for Halloween was mainly eaten by native americans in the far north of usa and Canada. How do we know this? Is quite simple the world known Aztec calendar actually tells you what to farm per month plus we have other monoliths that talk about these festivities and cuisine of the era (the Aztecs had about 20 stone calendars, many were hidden and buried during the aztec spanish war, it was actually to protect the calendar and not let it fall into foreign hands, the known Aztec calendar was accidentally found in downtown mexico City in the 19th century when a colonial building was being remodeled, it was around 5-6 feet deep under ground.

[@ajrwilde14]

No there was no sugar cane in the Americas until European colonisation, the Aztecs would not have had it.

[@erica3896]

Turkeys are native to North America and we're used to having them at Thanksgiving, but I wonder which traveler thought it would be great to haul some of them back to the old world and turn them into a Christmas bird??

[@ajrwilde14]

Henry VIII started it.

[@skye3730]

I enjoyed so much this video, the only positive criticism for next time is to be more respectful of the food prepared (pig head) perhaps in a more professional way without any display of personal preference or disgust. Overall a beautiful educational video with a lot of care and love made. Thank you kindly ❤

[@clarkjeppesen]

I don’t understand people criticizing for the sake of criticizing

[@davidcarr7436]

It's 2024, and this Christmas, there are still some to whom December 25th will just be another day that they will try to survive. Some will be hoping not to freeze to death because they're homeless. Some will have to make a decision to buy groceries or pay the heating bill. Some will be separated from loved ones from whatever cause. Some will be strangers, and some will not. So, in our time of cheer, if you can celebrate the season, in even the most humble fashion, remember those who can't. Merry Christmas Peace and Love

[@Rosiedelaroux]

Coughing blood up in the work house. Xmas was ok for the rich and privileged

[@CFinch360]

If you have never eaten pig's head-it can be delicious. I've eaten it many times in many different recipes. Don't knock it if you haven't tried it!

[@merrymartin3335]

It’s the basic filling for tamales

[@ngahuiroimatanutira-langda4153]

My grandparents cooked pig head by roasting it.. My Mother in her time turned it into brawn... I still make brawn

[@clarkjeppesen]

My parents would make pate(not sure it’s correct spelling) Using the pigs head

[@piligarcia4771]

We have pigs head and a tipe of haggis and black pudding in the north of Celtic Galicia, and it, s all delicious.

[@piligarcia4771]

Morcilla, I love it and I was born in Surrey, but I loved it from the first time I tried it... We, re having pig on Christmas day, with mince pies and chocolate log... Presents.... And then again more presents on the 6th...january....

[@heidimiller5475]

Video Minute 10:51, regarding the transportation of the food from the kitchen to the dinning table; Have you read the house records? Probably they had some solution for this. Old Mansions had buffet tables, or they were called side-boards. They would have had ways of transporting the food and storing it on the sideboards to keep it the right temperature. I encourage you to do some more research on the subject because I think you are wrong about this.

[@susanmarie314]

Oh goodness, dinner was punishment. 😝

[@marquonuk]

This must have been filmed a fair few years ago. Sarah's kids look considerably older now.

[@christineemmerson4180]

Blind man's bluff in a room full of candles.... 😮

[@deaconfrost4100]

Adds to the romance...really hot🤣😈

[@purrdiggle1470]

The Celts did not have a written language. Our only written documentation for how they used mistletoe comes from the Romans, who were a hostile source. According to historian Ruth Goodman the earliest association of mistletoe with Christmas comes in the Tudor Period, so the people to first use it at Christmas likely did not see any association of the plant with the Celts or paganism.

[@rodolfocampa95]

44:14 Great video, but after all this history of tradition, the only thing I didn't like was the cheap red plastic Chinese Christmas ball.

[@susanegley4149]

Blind man's bluff in a room with lit candles seems risky !

[@ByTheLightOfABurningDonkey]

Wasn't Queen Victoria of German heritage herself? I can never remember.

[@ajrwilde14]

Yes 3/4 German

[@ByTheLightOfABurningDonkey]

@ajrwilde14 thank you! I could have googled but I kept some faith that someone the answer to that lol

[@heidimiller5475]

She calls him Florist Simon Leisit at video minute 4:25. Simon then claims that he is not allowed to use Mistletoe because it is a parasite.

[@Fedderchini]

That’s because it is!!! Grows on branches of trees and shrubs

[@clairesuzanne1276]

I wish when people made documentaries they properly researched the subject! Mistletoe was originally a Christian trend for showing friendship and for showing love to all who came through the door.....it got abused by the Edwardians, therefore the church gave up trying to keep it a moral and pure tradition as in like most things the rich exploit and spoil things for others! Secondly....The Glass Baubles were made from a bet that saw 5 glass blowers in Germany see who could blow the largest one... the winning bauble was so large that it became a symbol for warding off evil spirits as it was believed the spirits would see their own reflection and run away.... the balls were very popular but because so many people wanted them, the blowers reduced the size and then they sold more....that's why they were glass and now they have evolved into the baubles of today.....so many things should be explained properly if you are going to attempt to educate others!

[@lindachandler2293]

Look up a recipe for souse 😊

[@HaloFlemz86]

The royals would be having swan, elk, and Henry the 8th would have peacock in gravy.

[@yorkshirehousewife784]

Mince pies are still made with beef. Beef suet (fat).

[@fayecox9401]

Shame they have sold rise hall after all that hard work fix it up

[@purrdiggle1470]

How did the Christmas tree survive for 2 world wars with the Hun? I could see it surviving in the U.S. since roughly half of our population has German ancestry and our tradition goes back hundreds of years. But, neither is the case in the UK outside of Buck House.

[@fionabryant7923]

What beautiful boys they have

[@barbaralowe3729]

Nut job🤣🤣

[@loriparsley1914]

I think Graham must be quite posh. His accent sounds very similar to King Charles.

[@TamChau1999]

Việt Nam hello

[@ΣΩΤΗΡΙΑΔΙΟΝΥΣΙΑΔΟΥ]

Saint Nickolas werent a turkish bishop, he was greek! There werent Turks at the 3rd century in this area, where saint Nickolas was born.

[@felixw8004]

full of marodious logic

[@pim1234]

You have an estate, why not get a christmas tree from your own woods ?

[@purrdiggle1470]

I would think that Southampton would have been the 2nd most bombed place after London.

[@gemini62167]

Then the Calvinists came along, and we they had managed enough political power from time to time, thy would have Christmas banned... Eventually when they pushed so far as to try and have their way in making England a theocracy, they were told no. If a theocracy was what they wanted they could go to the New World and have at it. Which of course is what they did. So they weren't thrown out of England, they left on their own accord. Like children who couldn't get their way and having had their hands slapped for trying to overstep their boundaries, it was explained to them that England was not to be a theocracy just because they wanted it so. Unfortunately the story that is often taught here in the States is that they came here in tears due to religious persecution when in fact they had been trying for decades if not over a century to push English society into following their ideas of how life should be. And in many ways they succeeded which was also why some of the more strict manners and ideas were eventually adopted. Just as here in America where many of our own social mores originate from the Puritans, most are not aware of it. For instance, the idea of working being its own reward because idle hands are the Devils tools is one of those puritanical concepts. It is also from the Calvinists where the workhouses came from. Workhouses were horrid terrible places whose purpose was not to provide aid and solace to the poor, on the contrary. They were purposely vile, miserable places where the poor wouldn't go to unless they had absolutely no choice and even then some would rather die starving on the streets. The idea with the workhouses was to make life even more horrible for the poor who ended up there. By treating them terribly, making them work long hours, under feeding them, and even limiting sleep, the intention was to force conversion to Calvinism upon the poor. This was done by manipulating the poor into believing that the reason their lives were so miserable, so poor, and so destitute was solely because they were not saved or right with God. However, being saved in just any christian sense was not the point. They had to be saved in the Calvin puritanical fundamentalist tradition. Because of course, the Calvins, like many sects within Christianity believed that their version of Christianity was the one and only true version. So, the idea that the puritans came here due to religious persecution has been nothing but a historical rewrite to make them appear as the victims when they had in fact been victimizing, manipulating, and trying to press their religion and all the horrors that fundamentalism can create upon not just the poor, but on English society on the whole. Now... back to my friggin tea.

[@ajrwilde14]

Yes! I have been trying to educate people about this for years.

[@jean-paul7251]

What an unpleasant florist

[@gemini62167]

I think that if you want a better idea of why certain aspects of life were the way they were it would best to find the videos involving Ruth Goodman. She not only explains about the rationing done during the war era, she explains why it was that way which the presenter of this video seems to side step. Rather this presenter overemphasizes how the "government" instituted these requirements of rationing over and over without delving into this as if to suggest it was some draconian system meant to unnecessarily create a hindrance and inconvenience on the upper classes. It also seems to give the wrong idea that this government control was either an unnecessary burden, or somehow unfair to those who if they had the money, could still not buy the extras if they wanted more. The fact was that their was severe issues with food accessibility in England during that time. England's food was largely imported prior to the first war, and as a result the nation's people would have starved as that importation was cut off. Thus the government had no choice but to devise and institute many programs, some of which was to expand immensely on the converting of long unused land for the purpose of growing food and so on and so forth. Food rationing was only one of these programs which was intended to provide enough available food to the masses in a fair way so as those who had didn't take more than they needed at the expense of those who lacked the resources would go without. And also it is extremely important to remember there was an army to feed as well. So this overemphasis on "the government's rationing of food" seems a bit much.

[@pamelacoffos6288]

There is no way I could have tasted any of that meat. My gag reflex is way to active.

[@heidimiller5475]

12:45, Probably not; the most likely story is, the Jews that had been in slavery in Egypt had been eating their father Jacob Israel's sheep. So all the meat in the mincemeat, and all the other meat based recipes, would be from that side of the family's recipe books.

[@YolandaMorton-q2s]

No thanks. I wouldn't want anything from that table.