Allied White Star - Evolution of a Symbol

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War Stories with Mark Felton

War Stories with Mark Felton

Жыл бұрын

They were everywhere but we don't necessarily ever think about the stars painted on Allied WW2 vehicles. Why did they vary in colour and design, and how did they evolve through different campaigns? Find out here...
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Main Source: 'SHOP TALK - I See Stars' by Tom Czekowski, National World War II Museum
Credits: US National Archives; Library of Congress; Imperial War Museum; Raymond Douglas Veydt; Fat Yankee; BrokenSphere.

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@jamessnee7171
@jamessnee7171 Жыл бұрын
The Japanese Hinamaru symbol was referred to by the Americans as a "meatball".
@InCountry6970
@InCountry6970 Жыл бұрын
No obscure detail escapes Dr. Felton's in depth research. Great job.
@als4817
@als4817 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant work as always, thanks for posting ! One would think after all the reading I've done on WW II, that the question of these stars would arise. Nope. Always leave these segments, a wiser and more informed person. Thanks Dr F !!
@glennmassengill7400
@glennmassengill7400 Жыл бұрын
When I was in the Army during the early to mid 1970’s our vehicles had a black stare instead of white.
@beepboop204
@beepboop204 Жыл бұрын
🙂
@sniper60605
@sniper60605 Жыл бұрын
@@glennmassengill7400 That’s racist. 😂
@sjustice5254
@sjustice5254 Жыл бұрын
It’s a pentagram. Satanic to its core. Shows you who and what is really running this corporation known as the good ole USA 🇺🇸
@davidcarr7436
@davidcarr7436 Жыл бұрын
While taking a training course to upgrade some skills in regards to my job back in the 90's, one of my instructors was a WW2 Canadian veteran. According to him, the Canadians weren't very happy having to mark their vehicles with "Yankee" stars and would sometimes rearrange the orientation of the points - just to be different. He also postulated that the main reason for painting them on was because the "Americans shot the crap out of ANYTHING not marked with one".
@wombatwilly1002
@wombatwilly1002 Жыл бұрын
LOL
@tyree9055
@tyree9055 Жыл бұрын
I believe that. Considering that most Americans were ignorant of anything outside of our own country back then (isolationism has both its benefits and drawbacks 😅), most wouldn't know the difference between a Pz IV, a Pz VI, a Churchill, a Cromwell, or a Crusader. It took me a while to recognize their differing silhouettes (and I wasn't pressed into immediate military service either)! 😂 Even today, I bet you'd be hard-pressed to find the average soldier who could rightfully determine any country's vehicle(s) other than their own on a battlefield...
@joejohnson4183
@joejohnson4183 Жыл бұрын
Just like when the US introduced camouflage in the European theater as they had in the Pacific theater , they had to remove them because of friendly fire incidents . Apparently the soldiers seeing camouflage uniforms thought they had to be German because the SS wore camouflage smocks , even though they were not even close to looking the same .
@tyree9055
@tyree9055 Жыл бұрын
Just look at how an American soldier described a German tank during WWII (and this is from memory, so it's not accurate): "...the German tanks were huge, with guns the size of telephone poles." I believe it's from the Battle of the Bulge time period, but those people were doing the best they could with what they had, which wasn't much. I'm not knocking on them. It was just a more ignorant time period in-general, where the only identification systems were experience and a handful of silhouette cards that I'd bet 99% of troops did not see at all until after the war!
@alanaldpal950
@alanaldpal950 Жыл бұрын
@@tyree9055 ‘Considering that most Americans were ignorant of anything outside of our own country back then” ? I guess the internet did not work well back then. 🤔 What is sad is how many are ignorant now while having so many tools to not be
@natejones902
@natejones902 Жыл бұрын
The M3 Lee tank in the photo with the yellow star. That M3 is at the Americans in Wartime Museum in Virginia. It's also known as a "Tank Farm" by the locals. I've been going there since the 90s and have had a chance to check out many of the tanks there. The Lee tank in the photo is worth a Dr Felton video. It was built in 1942, sent from the US to India, transferred to the British, and fought in Burma. It is a combat veteran. After the war, she went to Australia and became a tractor. In the 80s, a British collector bought her and took her to the UK. She was restored as you saw her in the photo. In the 90s, she came to the US. In the early 2000s, they found the commanders turret for the 1919. I have had a chance to ride inside the Lee tank and crew it for the open houses in a full US tanker kit. If anyone reads this and has a chance to visit the museum, come out during an open house!
@bastarddoggy
@bastarddoggy Жыл бұрын
Are you referring to the tank museum north of Danville? Awesome place!
@natejones902
@natejones902 Жыл бұрын
@bastarddoggy no not that one, there are 2 tank museums in Virginia, this one is next to Quantico
@jimgraham6722
@jimgraham6722 Жыл бұрын
My father bought an ex US Army Chev utility from war disposals in 1946. It had been roughly painted over but the star was still quite visible when he traded it for a sedan in the mid fifties.
@susanlister753
@susanlister753 Жыл бұрын
My fad jad an ex-RCAF Canadian pattern Chevrolet 15 cwt during the 1950's which still carried its RCAF roundels including a yellow ring around the outside of the red/white/blue roundel.
@user-nb9xl1cf4m
@user-nb9xl1cf4m Жыл бұрын
Personally, I think those white stars with olive drab vehicles looks cool. ❤
@mardiffv.8775
@mardiffv.8775 Жыл бұрын
The Germans also thought the white star was cool, because it was a great aiming point for their anti-tank guns. Unfortunately.
@genek8630
@genek8630 Жыл бұрын
​@mardiffv.8775 So very true to the point that many allied tankers would use almost anything to cover them. I saw a photo of a Sherman that had the stars covered with green tape.
@THEBIGGAME683
@THEBIGGAME683 Жыл бұрын
Iron cross or white star, what's better?
@warpartyattheoutpost4987
@warpartyattheoutpost4987 Жыл бұрын
It's classic and reminds me of the 1982/83 G.I. JOES and their vehicles I had as a kid.
@nickbutler7935
@nickbutler7935 Жыл бұрын
As a military modeler I had often wondered about this, but have been too lazy to research it further. So thank you for saving me the effort by sharing this informative video.
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Жыл бұрын
If anything it's the most interesting part of being a modeler. Doing the research. And learning that even until recently there is a large variation in unit marking between individual US divisions.
@tyree9055
@tyree9055 Жыл бұрын
The irony (in my personal experience, which is modern though) is that every single platoon can have it's own markings as well. One just has to know what it is that they're looking at. Of course, this is all post 9/11 doctrine (at the unit level, not nationally) and has nothing to do with the older systems found in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam.
@beepboop204
@beepboop204 Жыл бұрын
😉
@erikkunkle9574
@erikkunkle9574 Жыл бұрын
After D-Day, just the white star was on Lend Lease Vehicles. The invasion star represented American units with "American" equipment.
@arcanondrum6543
@arcanondrum6543 Жыл бұрын
I don't know which of these is more "heartwarming" 1. Reading Comments all over the internet from people too lazy for research or 2. Seeing the number of Likes that that sentiment gets and/or comments in support of yet more ignorance. Probably, it is 3. Asking questions in the Comments section and expecting the truth with again; no intention of Researching what they've read.
@jdunwoody100
@jdunwoody100 Жыл бұрын
We still use the star today in the army. My tank had a roughly 3” black star on the front slope.
@albdamned577
@albdamned577 Жыл бұрын
I was an army brat and I know for a fact that the white star was on some vehicles in the early 90s. I remember seeing them, mostly on jeeps buses and older vehicles. The ones that come most prominently to mind were officer vehicles.
@gobblox38
@gobblox38 Жыл бұрын
The star is still painted on Hummvees, but it is black and only about 3cm tall.
@tomsteadman9520
@tomsteadman9520 Жыл бұрын
Small stars are still on all wheeled and tracked vehicles. They are very small, and will be either white or tan if on a green/brown paint job, or black if it's on a tan paint job. They are on the front of the vehicle.
@americanpatriotism1776
@americanpatriotism1776 Жыл бұрын
Same here dude my father served in the US Army from 74' to 2008. 82nd Airborne and transitioned into the Army National Guard. Back in the early 80's they were still using jeeps and hueys that seen action in Vietnam
@HomerEscobar1
@HomerEscobar1 Жыл бұрын
Well see the red star was already in use by our communist allies
@davidbarr9343
@davidbarr9343 Жыл бұрын
I always wondered about the evolution of the star as an allied identification symbol. Now I know! Thank you Dr. Felton.👏😊
@wildbikerbill6530
@wildbikerbill6530 Жыл бұрын
I imagine much was driven by ease of execution and identification in the field - the real driver behind eliminating all the colors in favor of a simple white 5-point star with an optional white ring. All you needed was a brush, some white paint, preferably a stencil, and you were good to go with an easily recognized symbol. It's not hard to find photographs of repurposed German vehicles with crude Allied star(s) slapped on the side(s).
@AMD7027
@AMD7027 Жыл бұрын
Post white star a subdued "black star" was also used in the 70s and beyond for quite awhile and is still seen on tanks as part of gate guardians.
@jamesb.9155
@jamesb.9155 Жыл бұрын
My favourite patterns of the White star is on military aircraft of the 50s and 60s with the white star with red & blue banner on either side. The Captain America symbol.
@cleversoncarneiro5790
@cleversoncarneiro5790 Жыл бұрын
Brazilian troops, in Italy campain, used the white star in white circle as well.
@seattlesix9953
@seattlesix9953 Жыл бұрын
This Army retiree with over 30 years service appreciates this. The uniform patch is now a star within a star. A symbol of heaven in heraldry, no?
@GdamRight
@GdamRight Жыл бұрын
Dr. Mark Felton is to history what Sir David Attenborough is to nature....a match made in heaven!
@warpartyattheoutpost4987
@warpartyattheoutpost4987 Жыл бұрын
Mark's a rockstar.
@MrRugbylane
@MrRugbylane Жыл бұрын
David Attenborough is a malthusian.
@jonhall2274
@jonhall2274 Жыл бұрын
Ill be damned if that isn't a spot on analogy & comparison!🙃😊
@garywagner2466
@garywagner2466 Жыл бұрын
Um, no. Felton (as far as I am aware) has never lied to his viewers like Attenborough routinely does now that he is a leader in the climate cult.
@GdamRight
@GdamRight Жыл бұрын
@@garywagner2466Good observation. I stand corrected then :)
@tedb.5707
@tedb.5707 Жыл бұрын
The current chevron on US vehicles is the lambda used on Greek Spartan shields. "With this or on this."
@TerenceKaplan
@TerenceKaplan Жыл бұрын
Somewhere we have a photo of my Grandfather (a Canadian) standing beside his CMP truck, painted with the white star. Seeing it was when I learned that all the allies used the white star, not just the Americans.
@1pcfred
@1pcfred Жыл бұрын
If you didn't want to get killed by Americans then a marking Americans respected was prudent.
@MikaelKKarlsson
@MikaelKKarlsson Жыл бұрын
Hadn't realized the sheer number of variations and had mostly associated the star with American vehicles. The white star with a circle with openings near the points looks quite fashionable even today.
@noelwhittle7922
@noelwhittle7922 Жыл бұрын
and am I the only one who has noticed that at the bottom right of our full-screen video screens we have the Balkenkreuz ...?
@raymondblumenthal7950
@raymondblumenthal7950 Жыл бұрын
I was in the YS Army 1968 to 1970. I drove a Jeep and a 2 and a half ton truck with the white star on them. When I go to the VA hospital near me they have a Jeep at the gate with the white star. Good to know the history of it.
@andrewsema359
@andrewsema359 Жыл бұрын
What a great explanation. I use to paint that star on all my US armory without knowing why until today.😂😂 Thx Dr. Felton
@kevinwykes5501
@kevinwykes5501 Жыл бұрын
I had wondered about the accuracy of the white star on non American Allied vehicles, this has certainly helped. Thank you.
@drewcanton235
@drewcanton235 Жыл бұрын
I always learn something new!!! I had always thought the White Star with/without the Circle was 100% American vehicles... Thanks again Mark Felton!!!
@wilsonj4705
@wilsonj4705 Жыл бұрын
Think of it as being the ground counterpart to the Invasion stripes, sometimes referred to as D-Day stripes, painted on planes. Having a standardized ID symbol was definitely a good thing and probably helped prevent at least some "friendly" fire incidences. Friendly is in quotes because friendly fire isn't, shall we say, friendly.
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Жыл бұрын
Although I reckon more soldiers lost their lives to 'friendly' air attacks then pilots who got shot down by their own side. Even recently the British lost more soldiers to the USAF then to the Iraqis in two Gulf Wars and the US Army prefers to use its own Apache helicopters for close air support then the USAF.
@timf2279
@timf2279 Жыл бұрын
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Completely false.
@PantherBlitz
@PantherBlitz Жыл бұрын
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 citations please.
@warpartyattheoutpost4987
@warpartyattheoutpost4987 Жыл бұрын
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623, when I was in we had a lot of USAF A-10s providing us CAS...
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Жыл бұрын
@@warpartyattheoutpost4987 It was USAF A-10's that attacked British Warrior IFV's during Desert Storm killing 9 soldiers. A good CAS aircraft, but deadly in friendly fire.
@bjs301
@bjs301 Жыл бұрын
The things you learn on this channel. My father fought in WW2, and I grew up learning about the war. And in all these years I never knew the other allied powers also used the white star. I wonder how many times I muttered because an article about a British operation had the "wrong" pictures.
@silentotto5099
@silentotto5099 Жыл бұрын
Lol... I went through that phase also before I finally figured out the reality of the matter. What has piqued my interest since then is the Soviet adoption of the red star to mark their equipment. It's difficult to dismiss the nagging feeling that there must have been some sort of convention agreed to amongst the allies that a star shape should be used to mark allied equipment. But, as nearly as I can tell it was just a coincidence.
@CB-vt3mx
@CB-vt3mx Жыл бұрын
fun fact. US vehicles may still have a small black star on them. this is usually found near center of gravity. The ones I saw were about 2 inches by 2 inches or smaller. Unit and vehicle markers for identification are still used today, but not a big white star.
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623
@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 Жыл бұрын
Low visibility markings to comply with regulations that military vehicles should be marked with signs denoting nationality? Just look at the air force. Very large roundels with often bright unit markings, that gave way in the 80's to small low viz grey roundels that might as well not be there at all. And some countries, like South Africa and Rhodesia, removed all national markings during war. They do tend to break up the camouflage that is supposed to make aircraft and tanks less visible. .
@mardiffv.8775
@mardiffv.8775 Жыл бұрын
@@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 You are right. Also NATO vehicles dropped large visible national marking and adopted the universal camouflage pattern of green, black and brown. So the enemies did not know from what national army the vehicle belonged. Small national flags (4x2 inch/ 10x5 cm) and convoy blackboard markings with the national abbreviation were retained. Suchs as NL for the Netherlands.
@heretoforeunknown
@heretoforeunknown Жыл бұрын
The Soviets had a red star, and Putin has a Z.
@raypurchase801
@raypurchase801 Жыл бұрын
The roundels on Royal Navy aircraft fighting the Japanese had a "bar" added and the red dot deleted. This made the roundel resemble the US Navy marking, not the Japanese sun. The Americans gained a reputation for being trigger-happy, and keen to shoot anything and everything. The extra bar probably saved lots of British and Commonwealth lives.
@mardiffv.8775
@mardiffv.8775 Жыл бұрын
Yes, and the Dutch Air Force in the Dutch East Indies/ Indonesia nowadays did not use the orange triangle, but the old pie chart red-white-blue roundel used in the Netherlands. Because the orange triangle could be mistaken for the rising sun. The Dutch Air Force in the Netherlands changed from the pie chart to the orange triangle, because a Dutch bomber was shot down by the Germans over the North sea. Mistaken the pie chart for RAF roundel.
@jeffkeith637
@jeffkeith637 Жыл бұрын
@VIPICCB8 Burma? And when did the Soviets actually enter the PTO?
@raypurchase801
@raypurchase801 Жыл бұрын
@VIPICCB8 Your comment contains many errors. You are clearly a troll and you don't deserve a detailed reply.
@raypurchase801
@raypurchase801 Жыл бұрын
@@SgtShnackendale Agreed. VIP is spewing nasty nonsense. He's clearly never heard of the Royal Navy's participation at Okinawa, where the armoured decks on the British carriers saved them from the kamikaze attacks. Or Kohima and the Burma Road. Don't bother feeding the trolls, it'll waste your time and only make them hungrier.
@tramlink8544
@tramlink8544 Жыл бұрын
red was also removed from the Blue white red stripes on the tail of RAF aircraft in the pacific
@Doctor_Eightball
@Doctor_Eightball Жыл бұрын
3:50 Excellent tip!!!! Thank you!
@ianmurray4081
@ianmurray4081 Жыл бұрын
Awesome video per usual. Apparently there’s a reason why the Royal Canadian Navy have a green maple 🍁 leaf on their funnels. During the Korean War, supposedly an American aircraft had a ship lined up in its sights and at the last minute the pilot realized it was a red maple leaf and not a red star. Cheers 🍻,take care and stay frosty ⚓️🇨🇦🫡🇬🇧⚓️
@JasperFromMS
@JasperFromMS Жыл бұрын
Oh, military vehicle collectors think about it a lot. I own a 1984 M1009 truck and it actually has the star, but it's black decal 2 inches high on the front and rear. It's location is shown in the -10 and -20 maintenance manuals and the TB-43-0209 Painting and Marking manual. I also think that the yellow paint in WW2 may have been a chemical agent detection paint that would change colors if you were gassed. The early lots were yellow but they were supposed to be white.
@donalddodson7365
@donalddodson7365 Жыл бұрын
Well done, thank you. I imagine myself as a Motor Pool Sergeant being told 2 days before an Inspector General (IG) visit they changed the "star," again. SNAFU!
@dlmsarge8329
@dlmsarge8329 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mark Felton Productions!!
@cokergx3
@cokergx3 Жыл бұрын
Waking up to a fresh war stories with Mark Felton vid. Good start to the day!
@Seawizz203
@Seawizz203 Жыл бұрын
Another Mark Felton gem. Your videos are always very well done and interesting!
@brucekaraus7330
@brucekaraus7330 Жыл бұрын
I've never been so early.
@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55
@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55 Жыл бұрын
I've never seen a less original comment
@KodakYarr
@KodakYarr Жыл бұрын
@@TheSoonToBePurgedJackMeHoff55 One to receive a heart as well 🤦🏼‍♂️
@DrThunder88
@DrThunder88 11 ай бұрын
I never would have guessed there was this much detail to the star or that it was not an entirely American symbol. Fascinating stuff as always!
@yankee1376
@yankee1376 Жыл бұрын
There was, at least briefly, a black star on camouflaged US Armor in Germany in the mid 1970's. M60A1's , Sheridans , M109's and M113's all had it. That was at Bamberg in West Germany . There was a sand, red and green pattern used at the time.
@qingyunwang3802
@qingyunwang3802 Жыл бұрын
Always wondering which US Army document finalized the removal of white stars. Must be before the introduction of Abrams.
@phil4208
@phil4208 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for that bit of history, I can imagine friendly fire casualties were a huge problem
@markadams7597
@markadams7597 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting, Ty. I was always told, by veterans, that the white star was first ordered by Pershing in WW1. It was actually a white 5-pointed star (taken from his Gerneral's flag) inside a blue circle and a red circle inside the star (to represent the national colors). Great vid.
@radiationman5271
@radiationman5271 Жыл бұрын
The Star isn’t completely gone. You can see a subdued black star on the front of many vehicles such as LMTVs and Humvees
@piotrplayz
@piotrplayz Жыл бұрын
Does anyone else get the Mark Felton theme stuck in their heads whenever the mind drifts to anything vaguely military-related? Piotr can’t be the only one.
@mike-xn1qj
@mike-xn1qj Жыл бұрын
You're not alone
@josephwarra5043
@josephwarra5043 Жыл бұрын
Durning the 1970s, 1980s, and perhaps later, the US Army also painted small(approx 7 or 8 inch dia) black stars on it's vehicles. These are still seen on some older vehicles to this day.(I understand that the USAF also experimented with black star insignia on it's aircraft in the 70s and 80s)
@detroitredneckdetroitredne6674
@detroitredneckdetroitredne6674 Жыл бұрын
Hello from Detroit Michigan USA Great video Brother thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise and for taking us on your adventure through time
@rferguson3719
@rferguson3719 Жыл бұрын
As a Canadian, I had no idea that we used the white star during the late stages of the war!
@1pcfred
@1pcfred Жыл бұрын
That's because earlier in the war Americans and Canadians were known to shoot at one and another.
@genek8630
@genek8630 Жыл бұрын
Many of the "stars" were painted over with olive drab, black, or any green paint available, sometimes just looking like a dark star painted on vehicles, I've even seen photos of tape, or mud placed over stars. The white star was a perfect aiming point. This can not be overstated. There are photos of American tanks with numerous "holes" at or near the white star.
@skaldlouiscyphre2453
@skaldlouiscyphre2453 Жыл бұрын
That's a problem with insignia in general, there's plenty of similar pictures of German vehicles where the cross was used for aim.
@TheBooban
@TheBooban Жыл бұрын
Everyone shoots at the center of mass, where the symbol is, so this is not strange.
@kirchoffkyle
@kirchoffkyle Жыл бұрын
Same thing with the Japanese flag pained on their carrier decks, many dive bombers used it as a target
@zlcoolboy
@zlcoolboy Жыл бұрын
Just make sure to put the symbol in the best place for the enemy to hit for the tank crew being hit.
@fuyu5979
@fuyu5979 Жыл бұрын
Mark u have the skill for finding/reporting on the average n it's so interesting/informative. Kudos for upload. Hopefully more to come.
@ultrametric9317
@ultrametric9317 Жыл бұрын
At 3:30 into the video, on the French Sherman, we see below the star a variation of the Free French flag - a white diamond with alternating red and blue corners. Sometimes this had a Croix de Lorraine in the white diamond.
@rumi2367
@rumi2367 Жыл бұрын
I really appreciated that last line - thank you Dr. Felton
@michaeldean1289
@michaeldean1289 Жыл бұрын
Another interesting story, on an often overlooked subject😊
@drmarkintexas-400
@drmarkintexas-400 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for sharing 🎖️🙏🏆🇺🇲🤗
@AdmiralBonetoPick
@AdmiralBonetoPick Жыл бұрын
"...using any symbol similar to your enemy's was a definite no-no..." US 45th Infantry division: looks shiftily to the side.
@fortunatejeremy
@fortunatejeremy Жыл бұрын
I had always assumed the white star was there because it was painted on during the manufacturing process and the vehicle had been built in the US, they distributed to all the allied forces.
@thomaswinkler7809
@thomaswinkler7809 Жыл бұрын
Very insightful. Old infantry guy and I had no idea of the evolution of the white star. Thanks
@TankerBricks
@TankerBricks Жыл бұрын
Mark. Thanks for providing my Monday night entertainment!
@thunderbird1921
@thunderbird1921 Жыл бұрын
It's very interesting to see Korean War pictures, as much of the UN Coalition there including the British also put white stars on their vehicles to identify them better (and IIRC also because they were technically fighting under mostly US top generals).
@dat2ra
@dat2ra Жыл бұрын
Thank you, Dr. Felton.
@jb6027
@jb6027 Жыл бұрын
A most interesting video. I've long followed the evolution of national markings on US military aircraft, but this study of vehicle markings is new to me and much welcomed.
@ds2271
@ds2271 Жыл бұрын
Great video Dr Felton learnt a lot . It would be great if you could do a video on the Maltese cross. It seems it is on every country medals. From Germany, United States to Great Britain
@OCMOOO
@OCMOOO Жыл бұрын
You're a hero for providing free educational material, Sir Felton.
@irishrover4658
@irishrover4658 10 ай бұрын
This answered some questions I have had for a long time. Thanks as always!!
@christyhart8254
@christyhart8254 Жыл бұрын
Love this!!! No stone left unturned! Thanks for another informative video, Dr. Felton!
@parrot849
@parrot849 Жыл бұрын
Outstanding video. The star vehicle marking; Such a simple concept, but great details in it’s history. Thanks for sharing your research doctor.
@thEannoyingE
@thEannoyingE Жыл бұрын
This is so fascinating, thanks for this great history lesson.
@Dave-gg8gm
@Dave-gg8gm Жыл бұрын
Being a US Army veteran of the late 80s, though the mid-90s, I can tell you we still used the star as a marker back then... It became black and quiet, a bit smaller, and it was centered on the front bumper..Some of the older tucks, like the 2 1\2 and 5 ton trucks had a small white stare off centered on the tailgate. Our older track vehicle where hit and miss. I remember a small black star on the front of the M 88s and some of the M 113s. I must say that one would have to be right on top of the vehicle to see it.
@marvwatkins7029
@marvwatkins7029 Жыл бұрын
Dr. Mark Felton: the Master if Minutiae.
@RebMordechaiReviews
@RebMordechaiReviews Жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation. Thanks. I often wondered about why Britain adopted the white star.
@GoogleKilledMyWife
@GoogleKilledMyWife Жыл бұрын
Dr. Felton, Can we assume more Evolution of a Symbol stories? This was fascinating !
@saltyreesescup3104
@saltyreesescup3104 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Doc, I Always Wondered About The Difference Between Them All.
@atldon
@atldon Жыл бұрын
In the 1980s the US Army painted small black stars on the rear of most of its vehicles. I don’t remember seeing them on US Army vehicles after the 1991 Gulf War when most US Army vehicles were painted in the sand/buff color
@timf2279
@timf2279 Жыл бұрын
I have never seen on the rear just the front. They still paint the front with a black star.
@irish3335
@irish3335 Жыл бұрын
Another great video, love the attention to detail - now I can identify specific campaigns based on the star on the vehicle! Thanks Dr Felton!
@kingravenink
@kingravenink Жыл бұрын
I'm in the Army and I've been wondering about the "pentagrams" painted everywhere. I'm not complaining, I think it's great... makes me feel like I'm in Doom.
@johnrudy9404
@johnrudy9404 Жыл бұрын
Thank you Dr F.
@jordanthomas4379
@jordanthomas4379 Жыл бұрын
Never knew I wanted to know the answer to this obscure question so badly, but now I do.
@stefanmolnapor910
@stefanmolnapor910 Жыл бұрын
Fascinating!!! And outstanding work, Thank you Dr. Mark Felton!
@keithfowler2013
@keithfowler2013 Жыл бұрын
Never gave it a thought. Thank you for that.👍
@scottwatrous
@scottwatrous Жыл бұрын
It's funny I spent a few days last year researching this topic trying to figure out which type of star to paint on a trailer that would be 'appropriate' for a 1941 timeframe. It's interesting how the USAAC is fairly well known for at least early on flying with the traditional 3-color roundel while the army land vehicles never really had any of that memory stick. (Of course the USAAF and USN aircraft went through the same series of revisions to try and make it more distinctive as well.) Came away from that research learning quite a bit, but mostly that a basic white star was the easiest and least controversial option. Such a niche topic but an impactful one.
@jeebusk
@jeebusk Жыл бұрын
I've specifically looked into this, but never really found an appropriate explanation. appreciate the research and explanation.
@AlanR8756
@AlanR8756 Жыл бұрын
excellent video covering a little known aspect of us military markings
@sandervdbrink84
@sandervdbrink84 Жыл бұрын
The stars with gaps in the circles were used in the UK before D-Day. Then during D-Day whilst on board of the ships and landing crafts, these gaps were filled. This was done so because the Germans in Normandy had copied the symbol with the gaps as traps and for ambushes. In this way the allies knew any vehicle in Normandy with the gaps were enemies.
@obsidianjane4413
@obsidianjane4413 Жыл бұрын
It was never completely phased out because if you look carefully at a newish US military vehicle that has full markings there will be a small (2 or 3 inch) black star on the front slope or bumper. There is probably a regulation or treaty on the books that says military vehicles have to have some kind of recognition marking and this vestigially checks that box.
@johnwhitworth679
@johnwhitworth679 Жыл бұрын
Love you ❤️ Dr Felton 👍
@tieroneactual2228
@tieroneactual2228 Жыл бұрын
Years ago a Veteran from the early 1950’s mentioned to us that the white paint that was used also had another purpose, it would change color is there was poisonous gas in the area where the vehicle was at. He didn’t mention what era this was started, or when this practice may have been discontinued, but he seemed like he was a knowledgeable source of info from back then. He did serve with the 7th I.D. out of Fort Ord back then.
@thePrussian
@thePrussian Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. I will make note of this for my next model build
@marcellocolona4980
@marcellocolona4980 Жыл бұрын
Felton is a genius!
@lesames3743
@lesames3743 Жыл бұрын
Another great story. Interesting and engaging as ever. Love this channel
@MyTv-
@MyTv- Жыл бұрын
Interesting design development. I’ve actually wondered about it.
@carlmontney7916
@carlmontney7916 Жыл бұрын
Excellent information as usual Mr Felton. Something I've never thought about but I will from now on!
@svgproductions72
@svgproductions72 Жыл бұрын
Extremely interesting, thank you Mark!
@royalcanadianbearforce9841
@royalcanadianbearforce9841 Жыл бұрын
Amazing to see this documented! I never knew the difference!
@christopherfoote1284
@christopherfoote1284 Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! I never knew that about the star!
@Nyllsor
@Nyllsor Жыл бұрын
This was really great and intresting! I diden't know the diffrent star symbols had so much thought behind them.
@morgan97475
@morgan97475 Жыл бұрын
Once again, I learned something new.
@warpartyattheoutpost4987
@warpartyattheoutpost4987 Жыл бұрын
Mark Felton's a rockstar.
@juliusseizure3039
@juliusseizure3039 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Mr. FELTON.
@tedhubertcrusio372
@tedhubertcrusio372 Жыл бұрын
We still have a white star for military vehicles. The one with the circle is maritime forces (Navy, Coast Guard and Marines) and the star only is used by the Army, Police and Air Force.
@Jamerton1
@Jamerton1 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic and informative as always. Well done
@zetectic7968
@zetectic7968 Жыл бұрын
Very interesting. Not aware of the coloured origins. Had to re-subscribe as didn't get a notification for this.
@rogerkay8603
@rogerkay8603 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Dr Felton, very interesting, loving your work.
@RT-ol4hh
@RT-ol4hh Жыл бұрын
Learning facts I didn’t even realize I wanted to know! Dr. Felton hit it again.
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