New Foodfight Discoveries are Insane

[@AllThingsLost]

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[@Sharp22CatFish]

Lesbian sex

[@jadedheartsz]

honestly I actually kinda like this film.

[@jadedheartsz]

there's FAR worse animated movies out there like just about everything made by Dingo Pictures.

[@Treeeee2008]

I agree that there are some movies that are way worse, but to say it's good is a bit hyperbolic

[@jadedheartsz]

@@Treeeee2008 I said I liked it I didn't say it was good.

[@capitalofTX]

From how the gameplay looks, Foodfight! would’ve worked WAY better as a game than a full-length feature film.

[@takodacorliss5838]

Agreed. Holy shit the gameplay ideas with the brands would've been perfect!

[@tapinewoods3937]

Yeah, agree with that.

[@Tirgo69]

Imagine the timeline where the game released in 2006 and was a mostly forgotten decent little game, then five plus years later the movie finally drops. We were weirdly close to this reality, instead of the one where we didn't even know the game existed for fifteen years

[@mightyfilm]

The game looks mid and barely a step up from shovelware. So yeah, WAAAAAY better than the movie.

[@anthonybonetti9979]

​@@Tirgo69 people would have wondered why the hell they made a movie off such a niche game. It would be like a Ty the Tasmanian Tiger movie being made in 2015

[@erikaisadiah]

This is the first time I've heard someone officially come out and say that the movie stealing was a hoax! I've always thought it was convenient that everything was stolen without proof like that...

[@j_c_93]

I can't remember the name of it, but there's a Foodfight documentary on KZbin with crew interviews, and they all say the story was complete bullshit and didn't even make sense. However, even before that, myself and many others were already skeptical. The most unbelievable part of the story is that the Secret Service were involved which is just complete and utter nonsense

[@sugarrusheb]

My siblings and I were completely skeptical of the supposed "theft", especially because at one point the rumor became that the "original" was destroyed in a fire.

[@Moony1568]

@@j_c_93 it’s called Rotten: Behind the Foodfight

[@mavrickindigo]

I've heard of employees implying it was a lie

[@jessicap7889]

Rotten. The documentary is called Rotten.

[@_KnuXles]

damn he rule 34'd his own movie before it was even finished

[@samp.8099]

That's not very surprising

[@kayden2119]

Most creators do this lol

[@billybarnett9518]

Since this movie seems inspired by Who Framed Roger Rabbit, I think they were trying to make Lady X the next Jessica, but as a villain.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

Brand X? How about BRAND GOON? XD

[@Mick_92]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid Brand XXX

[@flaregamer64]

The phrase "what were they cooking" has never been more applicable.

[@diegcon0]

Except when my parents used to make dinner.

[@danielnorton9803]

That phrase wasn’t even a thing when this movie came out

[@DarthBane123]

that plus crap

[@tonymata8070]

​@@DarthBane123 YES!! 😂 Thank you for quoting Goldmember, lol

[@cartoongodelitedevy4051]

Meth, seemingly.

[@fullmetalanarchist6521]

the fact that foodfight was intended to be a large scale cinematic property is so surreal to me, even if this had come out at the time the unabashed confidence in a bunch of food mascots is insane.

[@Nope_handlesaretrash]

Just how would a movie heavily featuring Joe Camel age lol

[@billybarnett9518]

I think it would've done well had they been able to keep the M&M characters, Chester Cheetah, and the Coca Cola polar bears who were apparently also supposed to be in it.

[@heyspellicup]

7:21 of course cheesle the weasle would be involved in child endangerment to some degree

[@KirbyLinkACW]

I just like how they covered their own hides saying that they lost the footage (either in a fire or theft), forcing them to rework the film from scratch, and we all believed them (to be fair, Toy Story 2 had similar problems in development), and it went unchallenged for nearly 2 DECADES.

[@KasumiKenshirou]

I never believed it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. It just never made any sense as to why anyone would want to steal this. The only POSSIBLE explanation would be a disgruntled employee that wanted to get back at his employer, but I can't see anyone risking jail time rather than just quitting and getting a new job.

[@griffingeiger9788]

I think it just looked atrocious enough for people to just sort of... believe it.

[@Patchur229]

​@@KasumiKenshirouagreed why would anyone want this garbage. Just Larry being a liar and hack.

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

The reason why there are so many Casablanca references is because...Food Fight IS Casablanca. Brand X are the Nazis and the song they sing in the released version is a butchered version of the French Naational Anthem which was what was being sung in defiance from Casablanca. And the Naked Lady X reminds me of the model shoots they did for the main character in the first Final Fantasy movie. They actually made her a 'cover girl' for a magazine with specifically rendered 'shots' that presented her as a real person. Anyone 'member that?

[@MyScorpion42]

I remember Lightning posing wirh a handbag

[@SpaceManRD]

That's been done with other characters, like Lara Croft and Marge Simpson. Foodfight only _wished_ it had the cultural clout to pull it off, though.

[@TVgoodies]

12:41 These are not animations, they're lowpoly layout shots

[@otaking3582]

They weren't singing a generic song in the movie, they were singing the French national anthem (because the Casa Blanca reference needed to be more obvious, I guess)

[@ulises4241]

the more merch its found the more it makes me realize how much they were planning/hoping this was going to be a huge franchise

[@KasumiKenshirou]

It sounds a lot like the Action 52 / Cheetamen story.

[@SoramimiKeiki]

@@KasumiKenshirou Don't remind me of this ...

[@billybarnett9518]

The plan was to make more movies similar to it: *Mascots - A animated film about sports mascot characters. *Sunday Comics Capers - A animated film about comic strip characters. *Arcade - A animated film about video game characters, which would've predated Wreck It Ralph.

[@ZiggyCashmere]

I appreciate the coverage on me and my colleagues' research! If it ever happens again though, don't be shy and feel free to send an email! I would've loved to help out or at least say hi. I did want to correct a few things: Cat Daddy does have the game, just not a build. The source code isn't compilable in its current state because the tools needed to do so have been scattered around over time. It's possible, they just didn't want to take the time to compile a new build for me. They also weren't comfortable providing the code on its own due to its usage of Cat Daddy's proprietary engines. I think I covered this in my blog post about it, but maybe I forgot. Also, Mars Chocolate did not back out specifically because of the peanut envy joke. They backed out because Threshold had forgotten the green M&M is a woman. A little surprised you never mentioned the documentary I made on this movie, I assume you saw it? The "Dare the Day" chapter book does still exist with its author, along with an adult novelization of the film. Unfortunately the author was not comfortable sending me either of these. Cest la vie. I did send you an email a few months ago about The Works, but I'm not sure if you ever saw it. Regardless, would love to chat if you're open to it.

[@nicholaskelley9392]

That nude Lady X photo really says a lot about Kassanoff and his terrible management

[@RadikAlice]

In hindsight, one has to wonder how much involvement he really had in the first Mortal Kombat movie, or who we should thank for keeping him in check

[@MiqelDotCom]

OMG boobs! Call the police, lol

[@icecreamget]

after seeing the photo, it's very strange that her perky bits have more detail than any other part of the model.

[@Mike14264]

​@@RadikAlice that's actually a very good point... I didn't even know he was involved with it.

[@RadikAlice]

@@Mike14264 I tend to forget myself, and side note. That Tetris movie he's connected to _must_ be in development hell

[@lvbboi9]

3:23 2012!?!?! Good lord, even since the JonTron video, I always assumed this was from like 2005 😭

[@TODAYWEARETALKINGABOUT]

We seriously need a foodfight reanimated project

[@manuelvasconcelos8982]

Yeah i do too, in fact i think at this point a foodfight reanimated project is required

[@diosnelfrica590]

This movie looks like a 3D hentai parody of something

[@samp.8099]

A parody of itself

[@Deeko21]

So basically if 3DGSpot animated Foodfight.

[@davidhileman8567]

I also saw "Rotten: Behind the Foodfight" when it premiered just this year (2024), and I was wonderfully enlightened! I wonder what other movies could this mess of an animated movie's behind-the-scenes be the most similar to? Perhaps either the legendary "Thief and the Cobbler", or maybe another movie, like "Heaven's Gate" (the infamous 1980 film that put "The Deer Hunter" director Michael Cimino's career dead in the water, ended the "New Hollywood" age, and got its distributor, United Artists, sold to MGM the year after its release)?

[@teruienages962]

I find it utterly hilarious how you refer to the literal French National Anthem as "a generic song".

[@PsycheTrance65]

cut him some slack, he's american /hj he said "france" while showing spain on a map on another video of his

[@hawktalon7890]

​@@PsycheTrance65 it's pretty embarrassing to not know geography when you make public content.

[@BryanTheDingus]

More food fight lost media! 😁

[@slurpee4203]

food fight more like freak fight😭

[@wilhelmorangenbaum]

The fact that Kassanoff "didn't like the way storyboards looked and thought investors wouldn't understand them" tells me everything about why this movie end up being like this.

[@WilfredCthulu]

Kind of a random question but I'm curious to what your opinion is on it: What do you think is the greatest lost media find in the past few years AS A WHOLE? The first thing that comes to my mind is the wicked witch episode of Sesame Street.

[@KasumiKenshirou]

I agree with your pick. The Wicked Witch Sesame Street episode is probably the one that the most people would care about. Most Americans and citizens of many other countries grew up with Sesame Street, but most people don't even know Food Fight ever existed.

[@Ars-Nova258]

“Everyone knows it!”

[@chase1913]

Only real ones will remember the og thumbnail

[@VTH223]

"Mmm lady x" -larring casinof

[@Figure2006.]

i need to know something about that cheesel action figure that was shown in the unrealeased merch image

[@mightyfilm]

Looks like Playmates was going to be involved in the merchandising. I can barely make out their logo, but that is indeed them.

[@SFtheWolf]

I've got to say I don't understand people wishing we got the "better" version of this. this was not a diamond in the rough, it was a terrible premise executed terribly enough to become interesting. if we got the competently produced version it'd be an intelligence insulting piece of sterile corporate propaganda telling the audience not to buy generic store brands if they want to be a good person.

[@MonsterTaming420]

I was at a thrift shop with my friend a few months ago and found a 16 inch Charlie the Tuna with the 2008 Foodfight tag, it was when I found out they had merch, the quality is for sure from a claw machine. The amount they wanted to do with Foodfight is insane, I guess it makes sense because of the amount of advertising for other brands. I like to think of an alternative universe where there was this giant ad movie with merch just selling more ads all over in every media.

[@caucasoidape8838]

This video unlocked a memory of me seeing that pilot squirrel in a claw machine, and thinking why I did not recognize a character, that looked too specific of a design to be a one off.

[@btrntsqsh]

I had a Cheasle the Weasel plush when I was a child! My dad got it for me from a local pizza joint's claw machine. I've never seen FoodFight before in my life but I will always recognize that weasel

[@RonMotta1972]

“The biggest unsolved Hollywood mystery…: ::The Black Dahlia has entered the chat:: 😂 I tease…another great video. And dear lord, just when you think this is well-tread territory…

[@KasumiKenshirou]

Or who killed George Reeves, TV's first Superman actor.

[@SJReid82]

@@KasumiKenshirou Or how Marisa Tomei won an Academy Award for My Cousin Vinny....

[@reverseshin]

Well since the internet has the models and assets now. The internet can reconstruct/remake the original version. Now it’s time for believe in Santa’s Assets and original Storyboards to be found.

[@Kal_g]

0:01 Oooookaaaayyy...wasn't expecting that...

[@TheDankGiraffe]

* Turns into a potato and rolls away *

[@shesholdingcorn]

Ngl. Im part of the food fight fandom now

[@LegendaryNuggets]

The food fight game actually looks like it would've been fun

[@billybarnett9518]

Back in the 2000's, even bad movies got kick ass video games.

[@ffffffffROTHY]

The more info that comes out about the behind the scenes of this movie, the more I question how someone as incompetent as Larry Kasanoff could have -directed- produced something as amazing as the original Mortal Kombat movie.

[@KasumiKenshirou]

He wasn't the director of MK; he was a producer. The director was Paul W. S. Anderson. But thanks for the info, as I had no idea the Foodfight guy was involved with the Mortal Kombat movie. Looking at his IMDb, he directed "Mortal Kombat: The Live Tour" and wrote the story for Mortal Combat: Annihilation, and produced the crappy CGI and crappy 2D Mortal Kombat cartoons. He was an executive producer on True Lies and co-founded Lightstorm Entertainment with James Cameron. (The role of an executive producer frequently has no creative input into the movies.)

[@btr9969]

They really had high expectations for this film. Also, WTF indeed with that thumbnail, lol.

[@AmericanMarky]

I hate sponsors in videos usually, but that sponsor made me laugh by how ironic it is since it’s on a video like this.

[@caucasoidape8838]

Showing the real product was a mistake. That chicken florentine did not look good. lol

[@cumbrap]

I always thought of Foodfight as this obscure internet curiosity. I didn't even realize that there was so much of it all around me, and so recently too... Kinda scary isn't it

[@LovelyTekki]

it being "full of recognizable brands" was part of the problem - the movie was trying to be a gigantic advertisement.

[@jojomations2596]

cant believe Im seeing this posted 10 seconds later

[@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario]

I saw it being posted 6 minutes ago

[@deadeye_john]

The fact that this content was cut tarnishes the movie even more. It sounds like the sizzle real was probably deleted

[@hiddenflare6169]

When Foodfight has more to discover...... So you have to watch it more: "AM I DEAD YET?..."

[@BoboMcBooboy]

Oh hi right back!

[@technounionrepresentative4274]

Not going to lie, the game sounded kind of fun

[@eerieeric834]

How many other characters in this movie we’re supposed to get naked besides the main filming because I’m kind of curious now that you say

[@KasumiKenshirou]

It doesn't sound like the naked render was ever meant to be in the movie, but instead was for the creator's own...um...personal use.

[@noir-214]

7:25 "Is that a Poop Rat"

[@gregorsamsa79420]

Wasn't Lawrence Kassanoff exposed as a creep or something like that?

[@stanley13579]

The funniest thing about Food Fight is that I saw clips from the original version of the film... ...it still sucked. It legit was still an ugly, amateurish piece of crap. The fact that the director/producer (I don't care who it was) said this movie's failure was a result of "espionage" is so irrelevant. Even the intended version of this movie was junk.

[@JamesLawner]

I actually remember accessing a website based off of this movie and that's how I learned about this movie's existence. The only thing I remembered from that website was the film's title/logo and a cityscape-like design on the main page, but I can't really recall if there was any features or interactivity.

[@SmokeTheHorsehog]

This movie is not only arguably the worst animated movie of all time... It's also the biggest sham of an animated film ever made.

[@rebeccaaustin6667]

Holy shit, the naked Lady X thing is real. Kassanoff is on an entirely different level of fuckery.

[@gizmonovack]

So this is basically sausage party before sausage party

[@billybarnett9518]

Ironically, it took 8 years for Sausage Party to get made, that was because studios were worried about the content

[@belosneshkaaaa]

lmao u chaged the thumbnail

[@Deeko21]

I can't help myself what it would be like if Larry Kassenoff and Jeff Spankenburg became an unholy duo of investor frauds. Only mix the infamous Lady X pic and Jeff and his company forgetting about checking IDs when making The Guy Game and you have one big disaster created. And I also pray for the Foodfight game to be one day dumped.

[@juanmacias5922]

Sounds like Sausage Party was inspired by this premise lol

[@KasumiKenshirou]

If the story about the theft of an original "good version" of the movie were actually true, I would suspect the Sausage Party guys of committing the crime. If I had a nickel...two movies about food coming to life in a grocery store with sex jokes..., etc.

[@billybarnett9518]

It took 8 years for Sausage Party to get made because of it's content, it seems like just one hell of a coincidence.

[@BeyondBaito]

They don't sing a "generic song" in the movie...they sing the French national anthem.

[@samp.8099]

Which is the same song they sing in Casablanca

[@jesssinclair3366]

The random Casablanca references just make this project even stranger 😭 but I love that someone involved was clearly a classic film fan

[@Morrigan101]

It was Larry. He said Foodfight would be his own personal Casablanca

[@shreddarcheese9809]

FOUR YEARS?! THE MERCH RELEASED *FOUR YEARS* BEFORE THE MOVIE?!?!

[@MeryoQuestion]

Yo wtf, this thumbnail no way this was going to be in the movie, bruh the nostalgia critic joke of this movie being a fetish film now this joke makes more sense now unironically

[@XD_lilchicken]

DANG IT IT WAS A LIE????

[@KasumiKenshirou]

5:54 Those are Q-Tips (cotton swabs) in this image, not matches.

[@BLKKING05]

New? Foodfight? Content? Found? I fully believed the movie was stolen, think we all did. I think they fully expected this to be the next Toy Story, even bigger. Well, It Is Infact known, infamously atleast

[@mightyfilm]

I just keep thinking this movie was meant to be some massive level scam of some kind, but anything would be up to speculation. You know, sort of like how Rapcity Kids wound up being. The self sabotage feels like he was trying to back out entirely, but had some contractual obligation to finish the thing. Something about that workprint makes me feel like they didn't really get the approval for all the mascots initially used, and they were hoping to get the go ahead once the film was financed. I dunno. It's like this film was destined to be awful, even if the animation was major studio quality. Also, not saying the brand names in the novel reminds me of family cook books that use very specific candies in cake/cookie recipes, but have to call them by odd generic descriptions ( M&M's being "candy coated chocolate pieces" for example).

[@GhostBusters-wb4un]

The food fight books probably never got finished. Any evidence of them will likely I think just be early development material like a plot idea.

[@KingNice-92]

Ok, the Foodfight game Sounded pretty fun

[@gingy30]

I'm physically incapable of ignoring a video that contains new Foodfight! information.

[@Dorelaxen]

If I worked on this movie, I'd just tell everyone that I worked on Rapsitte Street Kids instead.

[@TheDigitalApple]

This film is nothing short of a disaster, however I’m eagerly awaiting on what will be found next of Foodfight.

[@aortaplatinum]

What kind of parents do you have to have to make you want to climb up into a claw catcher machine to steal a Goddamn poop rat

[@Justinjaro]

Yo heads up, we totally use 3D in animatics in the industry

[@caucasoidape8838]

Do they look like the ones they used?

[@tb3411]

Ok no offense but how can _you_ tell there was white text on a white background.

[@Mick_92]

It's white text on a VERY slightly different off-white background. You may need to squint or tilt your screen a bit to be able to read it.

[@Firestar-TV]

,,YOU must be Leonard! The Managerrr"🙃

[@latviandragon2718]

i feel bad for this movie (nevermind , guess larry lied)

[@kingofravens215]

I’d kinda like to see a complete fan remake obviously without the actual brands as what a proper movie could look like if it was handled better.

[@caucasoidape8838]

That's a lot of work, but would be hilarious if it was an improvement over the original.

[@kingofravens215]

@@caucasoidape8838 Exactly!

[@Raccooji]

Lostwave iceberg please!

[@TheMightyPika]

My favorite lost media genre is when an IP is either failed or unfinished, then finding all the merch created because the creatives were SO CONFIDENT that they had the next Big Thing on their hands. Learning about the development and work thrown into an failure is such a trip.

[@jasonblalock4429]

5:50 I don't think this would have ever gotten made, because they'd need to get the brands onboard. Can you imagine going to Pringles and ask if they're cool with their chips being used as a gun? Or about depicting Blow Pops as incendiary devices? I love the concept art (especially the war-hardened Keebler Elves), but it would have never survived the licensing process.

[@xandervampire195]

Honestly, Foodfight was always destined to fail. Let's take the hypothetical, best case scenario as an example. In this hypothetical version of events, the movie would look just like the trailer and get/retain all of the product licenses they wanted. First of all, it was going to rely heavily on mascots from real world products. However, the vast majority of the mascots planned for the movie were from brands which only exist in America. The rest of the world would have zero familiarity or interest in them and a lot of the dialogue or jokes relating to them would go right over everyone's heads. Given that the main selling point was "Oh, I know that character!", it was never going to succeed outside of the USA. So, what about America? Surely it would do well there? Nope. It would have just been an extremely long ad break. I know it's a common joke to call Americans stupid and see them as mindless consumers but that's just a stereotype. We have to at least give them some credit. There's no way that any audience, American or not, would see this as anything more than what it was: a lazy attempt to make them pay to watch a bunch of ads, held together with a very flimsy, poorly written plot. I mean, come on! The villainous brand which tries to take over is literally called "Brand X". That name has been synonymous with generic/cheaper products for decades, long before Foodfight was even planned. The message of the movie was essentially "Don't buy stuff from smaller companies or try to get a bargain, elsewhere. Those brands are evil. Just buy our overpriced crap, instead". Who on Earth would be naive enough to fall for that? I'd say pretty much nobody.

[@kaiser9321]

Yeah I think you’re right about Foodfight being like a hydra, just where do the discoveries stop?

[@DrawtoonzStudio]

I suggested this over a year ago, but it would be interesting to look into the history of _Bunyan & Babe,_ a movie that was announced all the way back in 2004, intended to be a live-action/CG hybrid before finally being produced as a (very unimpressive looking) fully animated film that was dumped unceremoniously (and for free) on Google Play.

[@ashitomarisu]

12:57 "HOLD for pg 20 of script INT COPA Dex fails his attempt to catch a raisin in his mouth" (Not sure if anyone else was able to see that?)

[@refl9630]

The most fascinating oddity in the history of branded entertainment keeps on giving. It's amazing how much was invested,( and subsequently lost) on this awful IP!

[@MortonGoldthwait]

Foodfight feels like a project that Tim from On Cinema would come up with, except it was actually finished and released to the public.

[@Otis_.]

Now I’m gonna be honest and say this movie is a so bad it’s good classic for me. Like Samurai Cop, knowing its troubled production adds to the film. The lost media only proves it, I wish we got special features like Lost Media provides.

[@rikkuwolf4166]

Ya know, ever since I saw reviews for food fight I genuinely wonder if someone behind sausage party was the thief. The plots are very similar and removing the more vulgar parts of sausage party I can see where the two would fit together and fill in some holes in food fight

[@brandonnetwork]

My actual response when I saw the thumbnail was “OH MY FUCK!”

[@Eta_Hoyimi]

I started this video, thought it looked insane and then you said larry's name and suddenly this seems exactly like what he would do.

[@ColdFuse96]

2:40 This "room inside a room inside a room" must have been a desk drawer inside of an office room, and he considered the building to be a room itself 😂😂😂

[@89tilinfinity29]

I believe that this movie was definitely a way for them to launder money. No way this movie should have been this expensive and literally almost no one had ever even heard about it.

[@TheSuperCasual2914]

15:15 Verbalase then looked at Larry Casanoff and said, “Hold my rapping mic.”

[@silverfire1248]

The absolute shock I felt hearing that there was no theft was insane. I don’t keep up with Foodfight lost media so I genuinely thought the theft was real.

[@duplexidemic]

All these answered questions and yet I still can't figure out what an Exobite is.

[@Zombie_Trooper]

I can't bash those sound books. They all equally sounded that terrible.

[@sarahhenry3607]

people see this and seriously dont get how it was a front for the actual money going somewhere else?

[@Daniel-kx4sy]

Nah bro. Who killed Natalie Wood is the biggest Hollywood mystery

[@VeeZee777]

No one can make me hate Food Fight! The Franchise that never was. we need a Remake or something haha

[@PoutingTrevor]

Come on, the peanut envy line was probably the funniest line in the movie.

[@matrixguardian4539]

Which movie is worse: The Emoji Movie or this one? What do you think? Both are equally abysmal but I think Shitfight is way worse than the Emoji piece of shit, at least that movie had better animation and it was nowhere near creepy looking. Just dull looking models. Don’t get me started on the turds.

[@BudIsUncool]

foodfight is worse.

[@micahwilliams1449]

Nude render?!

[@Zer0Passenger]

I really hope that the game demo is found someday

[@moonbunny24]

There was Food Fight merchandise???