If Apple's Private Relay IS NOT a VPN...then what is it?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Forgive me...my tendency is to always say "privacy relay" instead of "private relay". Whatever. Hopefully the video was still useful in helping you understand the difference between this and a VPN / TOR. Please like and subscribe! kzbin.info

[@AllThingsSecured]

Yea, I know. Won’t happen again 🤣😩

[@PreDestinedMusicians]

This is extremely helpful. Thank you so much. I had no idea what this new feature was, abs now I know exactly what it is.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Great! Thanks so much, Steven.

[@TheRealWhatsUpJua]

Great information! I have been looking for way to get more secure online and offline with financials and the information I'm consenting to give out. I recently started a career as a tech support agent and I'm going to school for Cloud Virtualization and Security. I'll have to check out some of the links you posted and share it with my family. Thank you for taking the time to make this video and share your knowledge with us.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Thank you, Juanita. All the best in your new pursuits!

[@michaeleichner9797]

As usual, another informative video. I was wondering if privacy relay: 1. Slows down browsing speed? 2. Do other IOS apps besides Safari use privacy relay, and if they do, how can I tell which ones? Thanks

[@AllThingsSecured]

1. There hasn't been any noticeable slowing down of speed, although I haven't tested that. 2. Unfortunately, it only works through Safari at the moment.

[@mouseman-k4t]

Super awesome explaination. Very clear and helpful. Thank you!

[@foxxrider250r]

Nice video Josh. Are you using cloudflare as your DNS in this situation? Is by your choice or is that what Private Relay selects by default as apples decision?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Private Relay doesn’t give me a choice. It may be Cloudflare or it may be another third part provider.

[@arthurmarek8418]

Great channel, just started testing privacy relay, looks interesting.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Hope you enjoy it, Arthur!

[@sg2664]

Appreciate your videos. Does private relay protect my login and password on public Wi-Fi, if I use safari? Also, if private relay is not on, but there is a LOCK shown on the address bar, is my login and password safe to enter? Lastly, what about using banking apps vs the web, is one safer than the other? Thanks so much!

[@kurtgruber1743]

Great Question. I've been searching for an answer as to exactly what all gets encrypted and hidden from your ISP, and no one seems to know. Well, on one except Apple, and they aren't being very clear about it.

[@tavitlertritsumpun7160]

Swasdee krab. Didn't realise you were in Thailand! Like the contents on your channel. It's very informative and enlightening.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Thank you!

[@Jordan-H-Green]

Hi Josh -- love your videos -- always great info. Just wondering if you've tested this new Private Relay feature while using a VPN? Can you use Private Relay while using a VPN, or will Private Relay not work? Does using Private Relay slow down browsing (have you run a Speedtest while using it and while not using it?) If you can use Private Relay while using a VPN, does Internet speed slow down even more? I use a VPN at all times (NordVPN, using their Lynx protocol) and the Safari browser, and I do pay for extra iCloud storage -- so I'd be very interested in your thoughts. Thank You

[@AllThingsSecured]

Hey Jordan! Thanks for the kind words. Yes, I have been able to use a VPN and also turn on Private Relay. I haven’t done many speed tests, but anecdotally the speeds have been slightly slower. Honestly, I don’t see why you would want to use both unless you feel like that extra layer of encryption is required for some reason.

[@Jordan-H-Green]

@@AllThingsSecured Thanks for the info Josh -- always great info.

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

This was exactly what I was wondering also thanks for asking it! Haha

[@GurdeepSingh-ts8nc]

What if you use google search in safari? Would google be able to profile you? Secondly, does this feature help when we use Facebook or insta app in IPhone or should we login through safari?

[@dianevlazny8171]

I have iPhone 13, I’m billed for iCloud. Why do I have privacy relay?

[@jukke96]

6:13 Firefox on iOS is using the same apple webkit, so practically it's just a different skin on a safari browser! I'm not 100% sure, but private relay should work on it too! Otherwise, thanks for the informative video!

[@AllThingsSecured]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@macexpert7247]

Curious to try it out while using my private WireGuard VPN to my router at home.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Hmm…that will be interesting.

[@clintonvandyk7813]

Apparently it is also Country dependent. Do you know if there is any way around that? Would be nice to have the extra layer of privacy.

[@AllThingsSecured]

I don’t see any other way besides using a VPN outside of Private Relay, which kind of defeats the point. I’m here in Thailand and now that iOS 15 is out of beta, Private Relay no longer works here.

[@clintonvandyk7813]

Cool. Thanks for the feedback.

[@nishikashenal7908]

Have u come across any cons like webpages taking more time to load when using private relay?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Personally, I haven’t noticed any lag in speed, but I’m not doing any speed tests or anything.

[@Mbro-dq2do]

Absolutely I use the relay on all 15 of my macs and iphones.

[@solomani-42]

Does it cover mail traffic?

[@mickeygarcia2331_]

Do you have to pay for it or does it come on for free?

[@nbkredspy3726]

My comment was removed as well. I was mentioning that there is an IP leak bug currently. Maybe it didn't like the blog link to the issue.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Not sure why comments are being removed. I know that I'm not doing it.

[@willmurr8907]

Dope! I need to play with my phone more to learn all this cool Stuff

[@BarrettBooth]

How do all of these technologies compare to a dvpn?

[@viralwizard777]

Does private relay work with 3rd party navigator like google chrome ect?

[@AllThingsSecured]

No, it only works in Safari.

[@caulder323]

can i stream movies from those websites with private relay and not get caught by my isp

[@alyssakay4862]

For some reason google on safari still show your current location but when I looked up the IP address on google it says Russia…weird bc if I log in to twitter on the google browser it still shows my devices location

[@ibrahimnabil13]

Well explained

[@Astragenix]

Apple just disabled this feature in my country probably bc of the hub thing…

[@AllThingsSecured]

It's a shame that it's happening in a lot of countries.

[@woodburn2597]

Does this work with all the apps or only Safari?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Only Safari.

[@ryaniglesias6381]

awesome video

[@AllThingsSecured]

Thanks, as always, for your support Ryan!

[@davemacasu1445]

For you sir , what is the best browser ???

[@AllThingsSecured]

I use Firefox, but Brave is good as well.

[@davemacasu1445]

@@AllThingsSecured Thanks 👍

[@rhoharane]

just fyi, there's a typo in the title. The audio is also a bit quiet. I'm already at maximum volume on KZbin and Windows and I still have trouble hearing the words. Otherwise great video!

[@AllThingsSecured]

Thanks for the corrections!

[@prayingforhealing4039]

I’m not sure I totally get it. It seems kind of useless as it doesn’t work for other apps or browsers? Would a regular vpn work with different apps, I know it will for browsers, but never thought of apps.

[@adamdaunton2063]

Is there any reason to use this if I’m also using a VPN?

[@AllThingsSecured]

I don’t think so.

[@jaylayss]

what if you are also using a vpn at the same time?

[@pemirsa]

Great info. Thanks

[@AllThingsSecured]

My pleasure.

[@lowwastehighmelanin]

I already use Safari for everything I can this is pretty cool

[@sparkyt8929]

Does this block your internet provider from seeing your searches too?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Yes, it should.

[@Rewataraj]

Apple’s private relay is no longer available in Thailand. There’s people on twitter said then use warp+ instead. Is warp the same service as private relay? Or it’s another different thing.

[@AllThingsSecured]

I KNOW! It's crazy. I didn't think Thailand would reject this kind of feature. It's a shame. I haven't used Warp, so I don't know.

[@Rewataraj]

@@AllThingsSecured I used warp+ for couple days and kinda get confused with the service though. When I get speed test it shows the ISP name “iCloud private relay” and my IP address spoof everywhere on several websites. Sometimes it shows US, Singapore and Indonesia. There is some that literally shows my actual IP address. I’m so confused. Anyway using warp can bypass the restrict website in Thailand. Hope my English is good enough for you to understand 5555

[@Gary-jh3wd]

Is using Tor safe? meaning actually downloading it and using it...or do think it is a red flag?

[@AllThingsSecured]

That’s up to your threat assessment. Using Tor does paint a big bullseye on your back, but for the most part it is very private.

[@dp26385]

Thanks Josh.

[@AllThingsSecured]

My pleasure, DP.

[@ArthArmani]

Apple is the best at privacy, and i love safari!

[@AllThingsSecured]

Glad you like it.

[@jefazo]

If I download something, my isp or someone else, would be able to know what am I downloading?

[@AllThingsSecured]

You’re going to download things on your mobile phone? Using something like this would probably be way too slow for torrenting.

[@jefazo]

@@AllThingsSecured i don't mean torrents, just anything like a pdf, rar, mp3 etc..

[@htetaungkyaw6612]

Can use Facebook?

[@johnholme783]

I’ve heard that websites know it’s not a genuine IP address and some will block access! Is this true?

[@legomeisterlp4375]

Private Relay encrypts my traffic *to* the website, so that no one in between - not even apple - knows everything. But the Website I‘m visiting has my IP address, or does it get the anonymous IP address from Cloudflare? What does the Website get in terms of information about me? P.S. I love your channel!

[@AllThingsSecured]

No, the website - and Cloudflare - shouldn't know your original IP address (that gets stripped away by Apple). They can only see the current metadata such as which browser you're using and some basic specs of your computer (screen resolution, device, etc.).

[@ashleynicoleey]

Couldn’t find it on my 12 mini

[@macexpert7247]

Did you upgrade to iOS 15 and are a paying Apple iCloud client?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Exactly: you need to have iOS 15 installed and have an active iCloud account for it to be an option.

[@1drummer172]

What advantages are you getting using Fire Fox vs Safari?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Just the fact that I'm used to Firefox and it syncs across my devices. I also like to divide up my software so that I'm not using ALL Apple software or ALL Google services.

[@1drummer172]

@@AllThingsSecured Thank you!

[@foxjules125]

i hope as it comes out of beta it'll work with other browsers and apps

[@AllThingsSecured]

I do too, but I doubt it.

[@ok-alarm]

cant see that in my settings, maybe its not available in my country?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Only available if you’ve upgraded to iOS 15 and have subscribed to iCloud+.

[@gangland515]

Does it hide our info from the isp?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Yes, it would hide you from your ISP.

[@aidankreltszheim3599]

So should I leave this on all the time?

[@AllThingsSecured]

You can if you want. The way I've used it, I keep it on and then whenever I want to use it, I open my Safari browser. All other times I use Firefox.

[@run2EU]

Unfortunately, this feature is not available in China

[@carnavalesenpanama]

Just wondering, did you delete my previous comment about Brave? I received a reply notification from you but I can't find the comment here.

[@AllThingsSecured]

I don’t delete comments.

[@carnavalesenpanama]

@@AllThingsSecured I figured, but I can't find my previous comment, that's kind weird. That's why I asked you. Thank you for take time to reply my comment. Keep doing what you do best. Cheers from Panama

[@anselmpeter]

I like using safari so it’s good for me.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Glad to hear it.

[@uncleben1976]

I don’t give a shit about security but this guy is great. Just came to watch an apple vid and will probably return

[@AllThingsSecured]

Thanks, Ben.

[@helix5542]

I wonder why Snowden warned us about the usage of express VPN

[@BajanBert]

Hi would you do a review of the Opera browser specifically around its VPN feature much like you did in this video? That’s something I would love to see, thank you!!

[@AllThingsSecured]

Thanks for the suggestion! I’ve taken note.

[@33zyy]

Mine shows (beta) upgrade

[@AllThingsSecured]

Which country are you in?

[@kyto4801]

If I turn it off can someone now see my past history

[@Wakeup382]

I have always said Tim would revolutionize privacy on the web. We do know that Steve Jobs worked for CIA. We all know about fusion centers.

[@rhonin11]

I tried using this on my 13PM and AT&T and have found a noticeable speed impact both on Wi-Fi and 5G. Have run into times where the destination web site won’t even load. Turning PR off, these issues go away.

[@moo_im_a_cow]

Yeah that’s normal for all VPN’s and services that require the use of extra steps for privacy.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Bill's right. Anything that adds encryption or multiple hops will likely have an impact on your internet speeds.

[@BaresarkSlayne]

That is pretty interesting. Neat feature, but the fact that it would require Apple apps to be usable gives it limited utility.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Yea, I feel the same way.

[@DipsyMum29]

Is anyone having issues with webpages freezing and not loading?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Hmm…not yet. I am having some problems with iOS 15 in general, but I haven’t attributed it to Private Relay.

[@sherno14]

Your comment on Proton sharing customer's IP on swiss govt request!

[@AllThingsSecured]

What about it?

[@sherno14]

@@AllThingsSecured Could you do a video on swiss laws?

[@valachcreed6355]

just like the VPN but different method

[@aManWhoWantsEverything]

Scince privacy relay couldn’t get past my shithole country’s rules and regulations its not available here So my question is can i change my region using a regular vpn then use privacy relay to make apple think i’m not from a shithole country? Even tho i tried this method but it still thinks i’m from Iran Any suggestions?

[@AllThingsSecured]

I haven’t tried that, but my guess is that you’d have to change your GPS location data as well.

[@Squiershire]

So, in sum, Private Relay decentralizes and unbundles the protocols that go into accessing the internet? That’s pretty neat - it’s like a way to get people interested in - and owning - their privacy who wouldn’t otherwise want to get into VPN’s or other “tech heavy” privacy programs.

[@bdengineering9602]

Nope, only Apple apps... It doesn't work for all apps on the device, because they want you to only use their apps ..

[@AllThingsSecured]

That’s not a bad way to look at it, I think. It’s not a full-on privacy solution, but it’s a good start for those who don’t yet use VPNs and such.

[@bdengineering9602]

@@AllThingsSecured It's only a possibility based on the number one goal of any corporation, making money either directly or through collection and use or sales of marketing data. I could be wrong. 😉 Only Apple knows for sure. I really enjoyed your video, explaining what you know about the service, given what you are able to observe and research, clearly and concisely, without repeating yourself like so many others do. My job requires me to be able to help other employees who choose to use Apple products, so it is always good to learn and understand how they work too. Thank you for the video, and for your prompt participation in these comments! Didn't expect response to be nearly instant.

[@Squiershire]

@@bdengineering9602 While that tying into the ecosystem can be very cumbersome, I'd be curious how many average apple consumers expand outside of the ecosystem, anyway. At least it's some privacy, right?

[@bdengineering9602]

@@Squiershire it does potentially limit who has all the pieces of the puzzle to Apple. I guess if you don't mind that then it's good enough maybe? But, if you truly want privacy, a VPN will work with all of your apps, not just the Apple ones. I pay about $6 a month for a VPN that works with all of my internet enabled apps, and still lets me choose if I want any of them to bypass the VPN for whatever reason I choose with a little slider in the settings menu. To me it's pseudo privacy, because it still lets someone besides yourself know where you're going and what you're doing, even if it does limit it to only one company. Again, if that's all the privacy you care about, then maybe it's enough? We all hope nobody is using it to try to circumvent laws or abuse the rights of others, but that's not the only reason someone might want to hide their traffic.

[@joerobinnettebiden4723]

In my opinion privacy features should be for free.

[@AllThingsSecured]

I get that b

[@ADH93awesome]

Why pay for this feature when you have the iCloud scanning issue, and the option of Brave Browser and a local back up solution? I have Apple Time Capsule and my phone backs up to the Mac which backs up to the TC. Just seems much more cost effective with these alternatives. (NB: I know the TC is old, and there is a final HDD as a redundancy to back everything else up, again)

[@AllThingsSecured]

For what it’s worth, Apple backpedaled on the scanning issue.

[@casquefer]

Excellent explanation, Sir. Clear and concise. I've just discovered this feature in iOS. When using a public Wifi, in a coffee shop or library, I will turn the Private relay on, and use my VPN as well. Can't never be too careful. Thanks again for the video.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Glad it was helpful!

[@HazzyDevil]

That’s odd, why was my comment removed?

[@AllThingsSecured]

It wasn’t removed by me.

[@Queenweezy]

Man I wish it was a free VPN

[@nicolashuerta7140]

I need the help , because I think my fiance is cheating on me because I went throu her phone n she put hide my email. I need awnsers n see what else shes hiding

[@papichulohoy]

You forgot to mention that "Private relay is part of a paid subscription to icloud"

[@AllThingsSecured]

I’m pretty sure I’ve mentioned that, but if not, I apologize.

[@papichulohoy]

@@AllThingsSecured No biggie, I still enjoy watching your vids

[@helloworld963]

Apple Private Relay is not a thing here in Turkey. I also think it is not a thing in China and Saudi Arabia.

[@AllThingsSecured]

Correct. It is a feature that is only available in countries that allow it. And China and Saudi Arabia definitely don’t allow it.

[@yilmazeras]

It’s something to do with the hub thing. I think that’s why Turkey won’t allow it.

[@BinaryBard64]

Ok, why is this on your new favorite privacy features poll if it only works on safari? iOS already had a built in VPN (garbage, but I used to work for Apple support so I remember talking about it [commercially of course]). Now I work for the DoD, and they micromanage iOS just as much as Android. Apple products aren't inherently more secure than anything on Android and you know it.

[@AllThingsSecured]

I never said it was my favorite. It was just a list of the most important new security features. And I can still find it useful by using Safari only when I want to make use of Private Relay.

[@AP-hg9ms]

@@AllThingsSecured You're full of sheeeet.

[@katieaus295]

Google Pixel 6

[@AllThingsSecured]

What about it?

[@isaiahcarvalho8]

I just want to make it that much harder for them to collect data.

[@bobwong8268]

👍👍👍Thanks! hmmm... more like an Onion network, similar to TOR BUT relayed in Apple's nodes. Technically, Apple can still "track" the user, and @ the same time "block" the others from tracking you, so Apple will Gain More Monopoly to user's telemetry. No Apple is Just too NICE to do that. Again its just Josh's old saying: how much and where would you like to place your trust. TOR can be comparatively slow and again Not sure if they could still track the user. If it is possible, it might be harder. I might use "Opera" private browsing with their VPN more than Apple's Safari. In terms of Privacy order: TOR, Opera, Safari. When speed is concern, perhaps: Safari, Opera, TOR. A mixed, & compartmentalise use btw them might be the way to go.

[@AllThingsSecured]

👍🏻👍🏻

[@Psychogamber0320]

apple show our customer ip address anybody eslse yes or not

[@AllThingsSecured]

Huh??

[@Psychogamber0320]

@@AllThingsSecured yes or not sir?

[@AllThingsSecured]

Why would they? I don’t work for Apple so I can’t give you a definitive answer other than what you can read on their privacy policy.

[@madbrawler4398]

I’m m able to watch porn now😅😂🤣

[@AllThingsSecured]

I’m sorry.

[@malikulamin9948]

Just another cloud dns...

[@schemage2210]

In other words, Apple is attempting to force people to use Safari where they can then harvest the data that goes through it etc etc. Or if that isn't the immediate plan, shoehorning every iOS user into their browser of choice is step 1 in a scheme we are not yet seeing.

[@AllThingsSecured]

That's a possible scenario.

[@schemage2210]

@@AllThingsSecured I mean, if it truly is a network setting, then its application should be open to all web browsers (or outgoing internet traffic in general). And even if not, surely it would be a feature that other browsers could implement. If this doesn't happen or if Apple refuses to allow it (probably under the guise of the security of the feature) than Apple will have tipped their hand!

[@amitabh4u007]

I don’t like this feature from Tim because it’s paid. So 👎

[@AllThingsSecured]

Yea, although at $.99/mo, it’s not that expensive.

[@frankfurter7260]

Why do you keep calling it “privacy relay” when the name is “private relay”? Doesn’t accuracy matter in your business.