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[@zonimi]

Hasbro saw people making money collecting the product and said "how do we take that money away from them and put it in OUR pockets?" They didn't think about the fact that those people were helping prop the whole market up. They are pushing them out and watching the fallout.

[@Syne111]

Which is insane because any other product and you wouldn't see companies connive ways to steal the equity back from the sold product.

[@egon4564]

Glad to see Rudy talking about reprint equity being trashed by all the fancy reprints. Now he needs to talk about how some old cards have no value because of power creep.

[@themanasquirrel]

The real question is - how sustainable is this? You are certainly not bringing a generation that will grow up playing magic when a booster box is $300. Us OG players aren't going to be around forever.

[@brendonford3838]

New players buy in at a $30-50 precon from whatever shared universe they stumbled out of. It’s about the lowest point of entry you can get. Then they can scoop up all the mh3 singles in a year when the modern players quit to play FaB

[@DevStarkiller]

I feel like OGs are just keeping a pulse on the game waiting for a set that feels *right*, ya know? Something that recaptures the feeling of midnight prerelease hype instead of the unending spoiler season "hype".

[@danielshields2960]

I'm glad I been playing long enough to understand this

[@michaelcollis595]

Yes, and in my circles, the cowboy set is one and the upcoming redwall style universe is the other. No one was hyped on Karlov, Dr. Who was a mini spike and fallout will be too, but we are waiting on those two with cash in hand...we are already talking about it with baited breath ~July will be bigger IMO, and any masters/horizon set sells in our LGS.. oh and on kids - some of us have them and some guys bring their kids to the shop when they hit 7-10 or so... and its 19 up to about 40 YOs, some HS kids sometimes even show up to our Friday night commander games... maybe a rambler, but a snapshot if your reading

[@ericashmead4049]

​@@DevStarkillerWow you gave me hope for a spit second

[@thealancorp.2394]

Why would i spend $600+ on a commander deck when i can get the deck fancy proxied for 33$ and my pothead play group can't tell the difference.

[@thealancorp.2394]

Prices of these collector boxes is hilarious I'll proxy 3 600$ decks for 100$. Then 20$ for pizza and another 20$ for the devil's lettuce. :)

[@toddpacker1015]

Wait till they learn about Temu 😉😉😉😉

[@dylanfouts5317]

I literally sold my whole collection and do the same thing we play casual commander and love it

[@KyleBaran90]

@@dylanfouts5317 We even started drafting a pauper cube. Actually way more fun if it's set up correctly, you'd play cards you never ever look at otherwise

[@HelloThere-dc1sh]

magic too expensive now, best to proxy

[@atunga5]

the financial team is basically the issue: the decisions are all based on the unrealistic short term revenue increase goals they have and nothing else .. all short term

[@thecuriousoutsider]

Chris Cocks and Cynthia Williams a few months from now: "Players weren't buying play boosters. Moving forward the only products will be collector boosters and Commander decks."

[@chrisfloto3599]

Back in my day reprints were in core sets

[@alexandriawescott9600]

Birds of Paradise was reprinted in every core set until like m15 or something.

[@andrewgolubiewski3463]

Pokemon is a collectable game you can play. Magic is a playable game you can collect.

[@SHADOWCLOUDGAMING]

It 100% depends on who you talk to. For some, this sentiment is inverted.

[@slimynaut]

pokemon is actually and surprisingly more fun to play

[@thealancorp.2394]

Maybe its just me but I never see any1 actually playing pokemon just chasing charzards... I find pokemon deck building and game loops kinda refreshing compared to the other 5 card games i play.

[@andrewgolubiewski3463]

@@SHADOWCLOUDGAMING Oh, there will definitely be people who prefer one over the other but both games have their primary audience. It's not the norm for a magic player to chase every Jace or Chandra like people do with Pikachu and Charizard. They exist, but they aren't the majority. Just like the majority of people who buy Pokemon don't do so to play the game. edit: This difference in audience can really be seen when you look at what holds value to the consumer in each game. Pokemon is largely cards that collectors value for reasons outside of gameplay. Magic value is much more largely influenced by how much gameplay the card will see in various formats.

[@thealancorp.2394]

Check out the regigigas/regi deck from last year, that shit was fun 😊

[@henryprobizansky8959]

The beginning of MTG downfall was the Collectors Boosters and Secret Lair. Magic is a game to be played. The collecting should be in the reserved list cards. If Magic would have incorporated the new fancy cards (borderless, showcase, ect.) in normal draft boxes, people would have accepted it more and increased the number of boxes they purchase. Stores would also not be getting hammered with sets that have no value. It's greed... more products, less value.... it's an easy fix, but numbers for Hasbro would drop momentarily. Hopefully, management will change soon. Thanks for these videos Rudy.

[@NateBullock-ow6on]

Hasbro for bankruptcy and WOTC for new management

[@peteryankowsky]

*WotRC (Wizards of the Rudy Coast)

[@ChickenCrewNews]

WIZARDS OF TACO CITY

[@captainfancypants8514]

I really just wanna have 1 draft box. No special variants, no special boxes. Or ar least throw special foil artworks in a regular draft box. Back to the roots.

[@vegas_party_animal7737]

Like the special art foils they had in planeshift right?

[@socalxninja259]

blame commander

[@jonesnwo7828]

10000000000% agree.

[@alexspeedwagon3701]

@@socalxninja259 commander ruined real magic and I will never not be mad at it for that

[@blarghonkhonk]

Hasbro fucked up

[@jarrybryant718]

I second this

[@everythingmetal9400]

​@@jarrybryant718 I third this

[@Barrager69]

Fucked up is basically a corporate motto in these greedy times.

[@Syne111]

5th

[@TempoLOOKING]

MetaZoo fucked EVERYONE 😂

[@jarnopiispanen4615]

I think product fatigue is the main reason why people lost interest. There's just too much of magic and it all becomes a hazy mess, the sets and precons lose all meaning cause one just doesn't have the time to get to know any of them. Like just when you've had time to draft a new set, there's already twenty new precons and horizon sets et cetera et cetera. Plus pre-release for a new standard one. They made the game strictly for big collectors like Rudy, but it didn't turn out to be a business move, cause in the process they forgot us players and regular people who have family to feed.

[@pbg2025]

Amen. This is it for me. I don't care about any of the characters like I used to. I don't care about the planes for the same reason. Fuck me it's impossible to keep up with the card pool. But once I get close to the line apathy kicks in.

[@simoncph]

Reserve List printing is coming. Printing of the old sets from 93-96 is coming. And it will prove absolutely fantastic business for Hasbro. Any other conclusion is just crazy.

[@ericashmead4049]

Didnt that happen like a year ago? They had funny backs, werent tourney legal, cost $1,000 usd, something about an anniversary?

[@Joesledge13]

Reprint of Ravages of war in Fallout went from 120 to 39.99 just Over night 😂

[@freemarketcollectibles678]

Come on Rudy, Magic is not Pokemon, the IP's are not even remotely close in terms of cultural and global significance, you know that, we know that, everyone knows that.

[@hasmond6808]

Universe Beyond is also a big problem for this: WotC has been focusing less on developing the MTG franchise because they've been busy getting third party IPs into Magic.

[@sleepteam]

@@hasmond6808that explains why they did what they did to the phyrexia storyline.

[@TempoLOOKING]

MetaZoo didn't 😂

[@DakkhonBlackBlade]

Wotc problem is they have become money hungry especially by its investors. The drive is cash resulting in the failures so far and possibly more to come. So yeah you can compare these two in the fact that one is surviving with little change and the other is plagued with controversy lol.

[@PvtEnormous]

I have been playing/collecting magic for 20+ years. I’ve completely stepped away from the game as prices increased, power creep got more and more out of hand, and wizards kept pushing casual play on competitive player like myself. $500 collector boxes is a joke , but also when did modern horizons become commander horizons? Wizards has just completely lost it and it all just seems like a massive cash grab. As a result, I’ve started to get into Lorcana since I love Disney and also the competitive play will be coming up in the next few months. I’m interested to see how many ex magic players I’ll see at those events. 😅 Have a great day everyone see you on the flip side!

[@StellaEFZ]

lmfao lorcana, left one cash grab for the other

[@PvtEnormous]

Y’all are laughing now, but remember that mtg players used to be laughed at as well. I think lorcana actually has a good future

[@BigBootyJudy40ozBounce]

Mtg 💩🤡

[@Xoulrath_]

Anyone who actually bothered to play Lorcana wouldn't be laughing. It's a fantastic game and definitely set up for the competitive among us.

[@StellaEFZ]

@@Xoulrath_ Man it's just magic lite, there's way better options in the market for that. Be it FAB, One Piece, Digimon, Duel Masters if you're in JP or other smaller titles that act on both markets, the only thing Lorcana truly has is the Disney brand

[@shiftyjedi3417]

Did Rudy just try and tell me Mox Diamond and Sliver Queen were not desirable cards until later on? I was around during Stronghold’s release, those two were the biggest hyped cards ever and always carried Stronghold. Those two cards were never traded for. At any point ever if you bought Stronghold it was to chase Sliver Queen and Mox Diamond even if Capsize in Tempst wrecked Diamond’s playability.

[@fatmakesyoufat]

What? You mean the cardboard salesman doesn't know what he is talking about? shocking

[@Syne111]

Cabal Coffers would like a word

[@shiftyjedi3417]

@@Syne111 huh, not in Stronghold. Did you mean Volrath's Stronghold?

[@MadMage86]

What? I played Slivers during Tempest block and the Queen was straight up unplayable despite our best efforts. 5 colors just wasn't tenable at the time - remember, shocks and fetches weren't a thing. I literally had two of them wasting away in a binder for ages before Commander was a thing and even then they sat at $50 basically until the end of the 2010's, and they only hit that price by virtue of the Reserved List. If the Queen had been allowed a reprint she would have sat at $20 tops.

[@brianmattei7134]

For once, Rudy is correct. MTG is paying the price of bad management, he's 100% right. It's the only thing keeping Hasbro afloat. Also I want to say that idc what anyone says, them "toeing the line" with the Reserved List was not inherently a problem. It was a price issue. If they priced those boxes of M30 at like, $200? Woulda sold like hot cakes. But that just goes to show how absolutely fucking moronic their leadership is. EDIT: Getting to the 10:30 mark.... how did Rudy not understand this like... idk, years ago? Anyone with half a brain knew this.

[@Volkbrecht]

Magic didn't "have to" pivot. They just did. We didn't ask them to.

[@PawzBrownMTG]

So yes I'm at that point of not giving a crap about new sets since I've been in the game from 5 years. Meaning I've got the cards that are being reprinted so why spend more money when I can enjoy the cards. I've already picked up a well. Game pieces are here just to bog the market & allow every to play. KEEP STAYING PAWZITIVE RUDY👍. I'm not moving away from mtg but I'm actually playing the game and enjoying these Game Pieces!! Time to batten down the hatches & HOLD TIGHT. We think magic 🎩 30th Anniversary was bad. I feel something on the Horizon just you wait and see

[@jimmyliu2673]

I pulled a Foil Gemstone Caverns (Glittering Caves of Aglarond) as my box topper for LOTR set booster box and had to put it in a baggy with a moisture pack to get it to uncurl. Shit's $80 and fucked up straight out of the pack.

[@Nick-Nasti]

If you are interested in my method for uncurling cards, let me know.

[@theecowarriorz]

mtg had no need to change the original product setup but chose to because of greed. their last 3 regular sets of the normal product era was guilds of ravnica, ravnica allegiance, and War of the spark which was the biggest hit of all at the time so there was nothing indicating they had to shift away from traditional boxes. but then they had to make collector boosters for no reason other than a way to charge more, same for set boosters, and that killed the value (and excitement) of regular packs. they effectively killed the ceiling potential of draft boxes while keeping prices the same. i stopped buying any box after theros beyond death after realizing that. at least with pokemon you can get any full art, rainbow foil, etc premium version card in regular packs. mtg gatekeeps all the cool variants to collector packs most people are priced out of.

[@Gravelbone]

Hasbro should've stuck to making toys and Richard Garfield should've kept MtG away from the corporate behemoths that diluted and inverted the passion of the game and it's collectibility. The success of the Hasbro Cards was always going to be a double edged sword. Greed will always win.

[@socalxninja259]

it was still fine until the focus turned to the casual format of commander.

[@mfdoom1898]

Modern Mtg is barely collectable anymore. Wotc is taking manufactured scarcity to a whole new level and the greed is off the charts. Im very interested to see where mtg will be in 5 years.

[@TempoLOOKING]

Soon they will be magic poo just like MetaZoo.❤😂

[@SteveF60]

I LOL'd when he said modern magic has rare cards worthy of being graded.

[@stephens9772]

Magic is played at a much higher level than Pokemon

[@christianmathew398]

Rudy talking about the real topics out here...The greatest.

[@Magnivore519]

That's actually a great point about making new things seem expensive so as to dodge the reserve list talk.

[@SlayerHaxFTW]

I’m still enjoying collecting magic primarily and playing secondly. As a collector of modern magic my biggest complaint is that the serialized cards that are supposed to be the collector chase don’t feel special. Outside of LOTR sol rings they never feel worth the chase, I was more excited to look for kamigawa neon cards than I was Brothers War, RVR, or Karlovs serialized cards. If they’re going to try to target collectors they need to do better than their current direction.

[@Syne111]

Vote with your wallet like the rest of us.. Don't buy sealed product that uses serialized cards to push prices. Collect older product that was printed responsibly. Or if you insist on collecting modern magic, you're limited to SL (mostly UB products) and limited release products.. not much else is reliable.

[@joshuamilks2801]

There was only a single card available in kamigawa neon ink, and unfortunately, the card is barely playable

[@Crankinthe90s]

Because magic is a different audience and less iconic characters that cause a chase. As you said 95% don’t play. Mtg is also full of they/them snowflakes that complain about anything they possibly can.

[@Earthboundmike]

I mean there are all sorts of reasons to buy singles. Not wanting to gamble, not having good luck. Or maybe just those. Either way, I can't recommend just cracking packs personally.

[@ironpalmmonk1199]

Yep. Despite investor bros parroting “if no one opens boxes your singles will go up in price.” Okay…I guess that’s why I picked up what I needed and wanted from MKM for about $50. Prices on most singles are still dirt cheap. Vein Ripper went up in price because of a standard event, not because no one opened the box.

[@Xoulrath_]

I enjoy cracking packs, so I like to buy at least one box per set of whatever card game it is that I'm playing at the time. After that though, I definitely start going the singles route. It's cheaper and guaranteed to get you what you want/need.

[@jarrybryant718]

Alpha Rudy, Timmy's Investments

[@rng-gamez]

I like to grade new magic 🙋‍♂️

[@MrTomHeal]

When everything is special, nothing is.

[@emperoroftheeternal]

Pokémon is the highest grossing media franchise (88 billion USD total revenue). To contextualise, wizarding world (Harry Potter) came out one year later and has made 34.5 billion USD. Many people (particularly kids) buy and collect Pokémon because they like Pokémon, not the tcg. I don't think there is anyone that buys MTG because they like Jace but not the game. Furthermore, if the Pokémon tcg sells at a low profit, the Pokémon company can see it as costumer engagement, because most people also buy the games, shirts, shoes, go to the megastores in Japan, etc. How many people were exited about the Jace sneakers? It's just a different beast.

[@SnotFroth]

I don't know what Rudy is always complaining about. I play commander and cards are just as expensive as ever. There are so many $20 to $50 commander cards for casual decks. The problem is that people actually play this, and if Wizards didn't reprint these cards and they go to $200 or $500 or whatever, then the competition will step in and start eating their lunch. What competition? Proxies from American printers and straight up counterfeits from Chinese printers. Wizards needs to keep the market feasible for players even if it pisses off speculators with warehouses full of hoarded cards that will never see actual play.

[@jackcaffrey8493]

yea but who started Commander - it was a community based game not a wotc creation

[@Syne111]

Keep the EV line trending up and you don't have to compete with proxies. People will buy the real thing at any price because it makes sense. You have it all wrong. What makes the game affordable is enfranchising your players with valuable cards that they can TRADE (TCG) for newer game pieces down the line.. That's the TCG model. You're describing some weird race to the bottom where WoTC drains our wallets twice. Once on the purchase and again on the reach around. Think about it.

[@SnotFroth]

@@Syne111That doesn't make sense. If EV is trending up that implies that singles are increasing in price which is what drives people to use proxies or counterfeits. I see more and more people using proxies in commander specifically because of high singles prices. And now there are multiple mainstream sites that give access to Chinese printers that sell the cards for pennies on the dollar. And people don't trade up for newer pieces because of power creep. Old cards lose value when they're one-upped. Who's on the other side of that trade accepting an old outdated card and giving up something better? And what you and Rudy seem to miss is that people who collect and play purely for the enjoyment of the game don't keep spreadsheets of their card values and calculate it into their net worth on a regular basis. We just want to play the game without dropping $1000 on an average commander deck. I've collected for 20 years and I've never once sold a card.

[@Syne111]

​@@SnotFroth Prices matter much less when the thing you're buying isn't nuked into the dirt within a year. When nearly 90% of the player base is playing kitchen table EDH, 'one upping' cards means almost nothing. I started playing in 2020 and started powering DOWN my EDH decks within 2yrs with irritating cards like Urza's Saga sitting in a binder so I don't have to deal with the headache. Cards can retain value for many reasons other than the rules text. We had scarce retro foils for two decades, unique masterpiece fetch lands, and art from 4H and 7ed that hasn't seen a reprint. If you don't like Hasbro's obvious goal to keep card prices high, I suggest you proxy. Devaluing the thing you're purchasing on purpose doesn't make you better than anyone. It just means you want to waste slightly less money than me just to burn it. So again -- the best way to make the game affordable are rewarding the people who purchase your product with value.

[@SnotFroth]

@@Syne111 "I suggest you proxy" -- exactly my point. Don't mind if I do, and neither does my playgroup. That's why Hasbro has to reprint to keep the secondary market under control. Once you lose players to proxy printers, you lose customers in general. Edit: and nothing is getting nuked into the dirt, which was my original point. Rudy is being overly dramatic for views and engagement. I shop singles all the time and it's just as expensive as ever to fill out a casual commander deck.

[@konasavage]

My kid got into MtG, they don't even make a Deckbuilder Toolkit anymore.

[@TK_GX]

i remember asking reddit or facebook or whereever about grading mtg cards. it was 2020 and zendikar rising was out and commander legends was around the corner. I was interested in grading some of my high pulls from zendikar collectors. I was laughed at. Was called a moron. "nobody does that, lmao". it is amazing to me I can find zendikar rising draft and collector booster boxes even now 4 years later for close to the retail price. same with some ikoria and kaldheim stuff. i dont think this stuff will remain this price forever. especially lord of the rings too from 2023. but people still in 2024 say grading is a waste of time. i pulled a The One Ring Foil Borderless in 2023 from a bundle. I asking about grading it. I was laughed at. I sold it for around $100 on ebay. I was told to quicksell it as it was garbage. its now $200-250+ ungraded. I believed in 2020 and I still believe in 2024 that the negative stigma around grading new magic stuff is dumb.

[@jeffporter5393]

Sorcery contested realm ftw!

[@Syne111]

They need to cut beta off and stop giving Team Covenant preferential treatment

[@danflarida6639]

Spot on as always.

[@user-en9nw8jp7h]

LOL Rudy feeling the heat as everybody steps away from old Magic the Gathering products LOL

[@Syne111]

How long before the newer players realize how much better the quality, art, and foiling is on older stock? The new stuff looks like garbage.

[@jjacha]

The reason why Pokemon is still being opened even though the cards themselves are worthless... Is that the kids who open them didnt pay for the boxes, so they don't care. Let's be real, most of Pokemon collector's truly are children. Most, not all, but most... In their POV, if they open 5USD card in 20USD product, they made money and are genuinely happy. Nothing wrong with that, but it's just a different market that is based on emotions and not value.

[@420Pikachu]

Everything is special bro

[@GamesbyMarcWolff]

I think you should have named this video, "Hasbro's Future is Limited" I would also have accepted: "Hasbro's Future is Limited: Do you know who Marc Wolff is?"

[@bigmac9439]

Karlov is $141 plus tax so $155 shipped if tax 10%

[@UncleOhRed]

I sold out back in 2015 and still free i got a good deal. Started collecting pocket knives mainly otfs like microtech, Heretic and whatnot. Bet you like you would like collecting them if you dont already. Its big people are crazy about pocket knives.

[@greeksotiris]

In the LGS I go at Saturdays, mostly for coffee and buy stuff, I see more people buying Pokemon stuff than MtG. And I have the feeling those Commander Precons were the same boxes that were on the shelves months ago. Last MtG stuff I bought were 2 Warhammer 40k Commander decks and ever since, I stopped with MtG. I know people who share the same thing as well. And with games like One Piece TCG, Lorcana and now Star Wars Unlimited, things will go worse with WotC and Hasbro. Pokemon is closer to a Collector's thing than being a game, but finding the cards feels better than going after the newer MtG cards. I think a good question we should ask is "Should I even care about MtG at this point?"

[@Aldrnari956]

People aren’t getting Magic cards graded because the singles price make it not worth the investment AND once a card is graded it can’t be used in a deck while it’s in a slab. High demand for products and low grading requests is a sign of a demand by players instead of collectors/investors. Now, I do think that Magic should have a collectible aspect and that collectibility is healthy for the game. It has to be a balance between players being able to afford the game and there being something in it for collectors to chase, and WotC has yet to get that balance right. Products are too expensive for players and singles don’t hold enough value for collectors.

[@SteveF60]

Nothing modern is rare and the quality is crap so it's likely to get a low grade.

[@shreder89]

Rudy can't help but to be a perpetual bull. Unless wizards is willing to take the foot of the reprint/powercreep pedal, things will continue to erode in the coming years. There will be a sustained loss of confidence from LGS's and players/collectors/evil Rudys until Hasbro stock takes such a massive hit and revenues degrade to such a point in which corporate is gonna have to make a strategic decision. Until then, all bets are off and I even dare say it may come a time in which they will contemplate doing away with the reserve list altogether and reprint EVERYTHING (think how much a serialized black lotus would go for).

[@mangounchain]

Speaking of the future have you checked out Lorcana?

[@junglerumbler6917]

Imagine if wotc wasn’t in Seattle…

[@rubenrebenz1000]

Corporate greed destroyed Magic the Gathering.

[@rogerthat309]

Welcome back folks!!

[@oscar_likes_stuff]

Pokemon has the classic collection, 400 dollar box with 3 reprint decks with really nice foil.

[@Infamous3722]

RUDY RUDY RUDY

[@brendans1983]

Do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya, do ya?

[@TempoLOOKING]

Rudy's Tacos.

[@pbg2025]

I remember looking forward to the once a year commander precons coming out. That joy is gone. I remember being excited to go back to a plane. That joy is gone. It's all coming so much and so fast I can't sort it all or digest it before the next thing comes out. That's when the apathy set in.

[@jakehr3]

Looking at Pokemon and the fact that decks in standard rarely get above $100. Like if a deck gets to $100 in Pokemon that's considered a strong barrier to entry. Meanwhile, in magic, for years now, anytime you get a deck below $100 that's considered budget, which $150-200 being totally normal. Also, they have such cool alternate art treatments, and they are all in the normal booster boxes and booster packs. The cards look dope even if you don't play the game (and if you do, it's a sweet way to pimp your deck out)

[@sickbreaks]

Adding bigger hits isn't the problem . They need to incentive differently. Introduce redemptions for secret lairs, uncut sheets, trips. To magic con and other big cards. Then success

[@robtimothyfletcher5957]

Mouth hugs LOL. I love this guy

[@cadiusk3553]

Bro in Canada shits 222 for a box with an expected Value of 60, MTG is a joke

[@cadiusk3553]

MTG is a joke im looking anywhe else for my packs

[@socalxninja259]

blame commander

[@jonathanlupfer5262]

Keeping things simple and affordable often attracts more positive attention and buyers than negativity. The pokemon company seems to have this formula down pretty well.

[@corporalkills]

I absolutely hate that Hasbro has become more growth focused than retention focused. They just want to see new faces they don’t care at all if the people that have been loyal to the game will stay. Yeah you’ll get your temporary bump of revenue, but you know it isn’t sustainable.

[@Syne111]

I've been saying this for the past 2 years. Finally people are starting to get it

[@user-sg8rp3hh3d]

This is simply my two cents: I think they’ve lost the player base, because we aren’t connected to the game anymore. They should create a tour to cross the world, and every weekend they should have a magic tournament where major prizes are passed out by wizards, back to the community. Like a football season. It would reconnect the player base, and bring them together again, and have something to fight for in the game again. Let’s not forget this game is ranked above chess, in terms of strategy. It’s the most complex strategy game in all of the world. Bring out the gladiators

[@WhiteSquirrel45]

The end rant tied everything together beautifully. Why spend money on sleeves and deck boxes if the cards are game pieces you Timmy!?!?

[@malleycattcg]

why would someone grade something that they are gunna play with? why would someone grade something and in turn make it harder to sell? grading is for collecting, pokemon is for collecting, mtg is for playing and freaking out about the market

[@brendonford3838]

I can’t be alone in saying “he looks calm and ready,” every time Rudy says, “on the surface.” 😂

[@CouchtrollPodcastDS]

Blows my mind that Pokemon rereleased first set in 2016 at normal prices and fan based loved it. Magic 30 was the opposite lol

[@OrignalSithlord]

Yeah but cards like bazaar and dreadnaught were reserved it’s not the same as new magic. Do new cards have a chance to spike like vein ripper of course, but can they be reprinted unlike the old stuff also yes. The game itself is fine but no one wants to spend money on cards that will be reprinted 3 times and in a secret lair.

[@danbuczak4984]

I feel like they are making regular print cards and art variants as game pieces to lower the price. Then make the serialized cards, jurassic park logo cards and so on for the collectors. Just doing their best to make everyone happy which is impossible nowadays. 🤷‍♂️

[@marcusyong1876]

Universe beyond I feel is one of fastest way to attract new player base in relatively shorter time frame. We can all hope that with 10-1000 X increase in regular player base, card prices can pick up again. There are many IP niches with large followers but they lack a card game to propagate their love.

[@RexxCollects]

I collect both, and Magic has some of the SICKEST art for a game!!! I don't see anything wrong with grading it and preserving it.

[@jojodelacroix]

I do think there's a pretty big difference between the two games though. For Pokemon, the TCG is merely one of aspect of a huge multi-pronged strategy and they could absolutely squeeze more form it. And, as you said, there is a substantial number of people that literally just collect pokemon cards because they like them. Magic just isn't like that. People that buy it are largely people that play out.

[@nicolbolas8353]

Hasbro will continued to yank on the udders of the cash cow until she collapses. Then they will get upset and blame the cow.

[@Nick-Nasti]

WoTC is forced to gradually increase card power and capability over time. Nobody would buy new cards that just do what old cards do.

[@Wrokzor]

I've had to step back from magic because i can't keep up with releases, i don't want to buy a little, or non-collector stuff, but the prices per box are out of control. I just don't understand how a new player gets into the game anymore? do you buy a commander precon for 45 usd, and find 3 other players and get stomped? do you do a draft of Outlaws of Thunder Junction, at 24 usd? do you make a mono-red aggro deck for standard deck at 96 usd? i don't get what a new player is supposed to do to get into the game.

[@m.f.634]

Pokémon is the King in every segment in comparsion to MTG, gameplay is better nowadays, better art, better card quality, best IP ever, it is best collectable in the world. Magic lost everything. It is not longer Magic anyway. Look what they are printing... Magic is really dying, there is not much left for MTG. I think they will do Universes Beyond, until it fails, as always. Hasbro is hanging on another popular IPs, because Magic is no longer wanted. Then they will reprint reserved list, it is weird to think they will not reprint it, when reserved list will be last thing holding value, then they do it, they must, because of stock market and dividends. Then its over. MTG Arena is also failing, it is rigged, it is designed to extract money from people who does not understand math. Management retires and they will not give a shit about MTG, because they will be sipping ice tea on some random beach in Pacific ocean.

[@alejandroguerrieri2924]

Go play pokemon then timmy

[@mr1derful01]

“I need to triple sleeve my ten cent card because game pieces”

[@tcsmagicbox]

I still say that Karlov Manor will eventually go up in price.

[@harrymasononvacation]

For me it comes down to this... Pokemon is going to get buys no matter what because the brand is built on "Collect Them All" and an actual game second. Magic is built primarily on players. With the shift away from physical meetups, aging demographic, digital card games, etc, card value is definitely going to be all over the place. Since physical is hurting, they're hoping to shift gears towards the game being marketed as a premium collectible product. The downside is players don't give a shit about how collectible a game is when they're expensive and it's easier just to proxy cards.

[@NewsIn60Seconds]

Selling singles on TCG Player, scrapping sealed, except Collectors and secret lairs, and printing to demand; all starting in BB later this year after back to back standard set sealed failures.

[@turbo2763]

Pokemon is the most profitable IP of all time. It could literally stop making tcg and still make money hand over fist. Magic is only contained within the card game. That's why.

[@Ted_the_Dragoon]

To be fair you cannot forget the $400 base set reprint they just did which is sort of in the same vein as what you're talking about with these expensive magic products

[@collectorbynature152]

Pokemon has a lot of side/specialty products that I can’t keep up with.

[@darrenengland6269]

Part of rl cards going down is also; wotc attitude of proxies in commander and the economic climate.

[@voxnewman]

I'm waiting for my brain to explode

[@ivd27vi88]

backround looks like an i spy book.

[@Caliban_80]

Is this Timmy saying there could be a bazaar level card hidden in Karlovs foreclosed manor?

[@videogametrader]

Pokémon has developed a popular IP over the decades. Not just TCG. Video Games, TV Shows, Movies, plush, toys, etc. that’s why there is a collectible market. Magic hasn’t done that. The only IP in the game. If the Pokémon TCG ended tomorrow, Pokemon cards would still have value. If the same thing happened to Magic, I don’t think anyone would even remember it after a year.

[@WishNicky]

Pokémon, Pepe, Doge, & tacos Rudy = sexxy party time🎉❤😂 Hasbro, Silver bullion, & Metazoo = death 💀

[@nineseven420empire3]

Hasbro has become like Games Workshop. Profits before players.

[@CaptainChedda]

Here’s for the algorithm Rudy

[@erictidmore8047]

Hasbro is going to turn Magic the Gathering into Versus System and fuck it all up

[@sonofdayman]

Hasbro isn't respecting the tcg market dynamics of players, collectors, and investors. They see investors making money on older magic sets, and decided that they can get that money instead. Let's see how that works out for them.

[@dr3am000]

Game pieces!

[@matthewbryant2972]

The Original 2 were Magic: The Gathering and Star Trek the CCG... that's what I remember from age 9-12...

[@VPB1218]

Pokémon in the past has made reprints of the OG cards. But they did it right. Either keeping the price the same or making it a premium 4 cards per pack deal. Every time they do a shiny set it is affordable and available.

[@umendegarcia]

The government has really called things more difficult for its citizens, and we can't sit back and bear all the consequences of the bad governance. It's obvious we are headed for inflation,it is always the poor who take the hit.

[@Woetzel]

I feel sympathy and empathy for our country, low income earners are suffering to survive, and I appreciate Caroline. You've helped my family with your advice. imagine investing $30,000 and receiving $95,460 after 28 days of trading.

[@Woetzel]

Thanks to Mrs Carolina Maria Bravo

[@Woetzel]

She's a licensed broker here in the states.

[@iottai]

Sounds familiar, I have heard her names on several occasions.. And both her success stories on wall street journey!

[@rmainej]

After i raised up to 425k trading with Caroline Maria, I bought a new house here in the States and also paid for my son's surgery (Kelvin) glory to God.

[@AntonioSilva-gs6bg]

MH3 price on Amazon is a placeholder price. Apparently the price will be the same of MH2.

[@pokeymonster]

Good! I actually don't know if its good yet. But I'll watch!

[@sn0n]

Wasn't Richard Garfield quoted as saying something along the lines of nothing should cost more than like $5? Or nah? Is that where Rudy got the $5 bit from?