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[@TrifGaming]

Hopefully he doesn’t get banned for a year too 😂😂😂

[@dgrig3094]

j o k i n g l y

[@vanguardtrainer924]

Hopefully he won’t run his mouth.

[@WeMoomingNow]

well if he doesn't go around bragging about it he probably wont get banned for a year

[@zephyrwolf2830]

If only he had Cowboy.

[@waffytaffy554]

J o K i N g L y

[@cmaldo4436]

That moment when cap G slow plays to hit the 10 min mark for KZbin.

[@KingLIFEDRAIN]

Yo for real! This could have EASILY been a 5 minute video.

[@VJ-td6oc]

Busted!!!hahaha

[@Cruzin249]

Almost fell asleep before he finally started talking about the play

[@Themrmigue]

Talking about slowplayin'

[@toastman3421]

"What exactly are you talking about?"

[@conquest039]

He didn't slow play. It was the work of an enemy Stand.

[@cookiecutter6735]

Dio stopped the time for everyone except of the Judge.

[@joseluistrejo1859]

@@cookiecutter6735 ZA WARUDO!

[@fatguyfrommy8421]

@@cookiecutter6735 All according to plan

[@oneshotfn3631]

Naniiiii

[@vanguardtrainer924]

Honestly if they didn’t bring the time rule change in this wouldn’t be a problem.

[@popgoestheweasel1776]

VanguardTrainer2488 New Time Rules brings out the crap out of people. I remember watching a VGC video for Pokemon( the video games have a in-game time) it was a match between a girl and a guy. The guy was taking his sweet time trying to pick what moves to use and the girl had the game, both players knew she did but he had more life on his pokemons and he stalled a whole two minutes. She was squirming on her chair, freaking out, and she busted out on tears at the end because the guy one and he even smirks right at the end of the match with a face saying "oh well time is up". This was like a nationals, its sad cause people go up to these events and for what for someone to stall out time. Miss the old time rules that way everyone gets a chance.

[@SelfReassuringTitle]

VanguardTrainer2488 you aren’t wrong

[@cacenflowers927]

@PopGoes That's cheap as fuck

[@purpledragon2442]

M N it’s somewhere. As far as I remember they changed the rules though with the new games. Then verlisify tried saying it was against the rules and the people running the even were incompetent but he pulled out a fucking rule sheet for the card game tournament lol

[@vanguardtrainer924]

brady scott verlisfy is an idiot anyway.

[@troysherman5873]

Konami needs to define how long a "reasonable" action or turn is or this will continue to be a problem with the current time rules

[@Animegami]

they need to define everything lol. even a player who has been to locals for months still have ruling questions. I bet pokemon doesn't have that problem

[@traplover6357]

@@Animegami you bet wrong lol

[@mrevilducky]

@@Animegami I hope you didn't lose too much on that because that bet is way wrong

[@callummandragore9004]

You can’t give a time limit for the simple reason that you can be slow playing despite activating a card even every 3 to 5 seconds That’s why it hasn’t been defined

[@OddBall8888]

A chess clock wouldn’t work for a lot of situations. Are you just going to eliminate decks such as thunder or Orcust just because their average turn length is longer than that of altergeist or striker?

[@7DeadlyJinxs]

The fact that checking your graveyard once means a disqualification is ridiculous.

[@7DeadlyJinxs]

@@cinder1312 When?

[@azzyazu]

I'm too distracts by the Jynx for your pfp(I sadly know where it comes from)

[@7DeadlyJinxs]

@@azzyazu Then you must know after I saw it, I fell in love with Jinx.

[@neverendinchaos4800]

@@7DeadlyJinxs Where did you see your pfp? I need to find it for uhh...research purposes.😅

[@neverendinchaos4800]

@@7DeadlyJinxs Don't worry, going down the rabbit hole found it for me....👍

[@izzadk86]

If they want to put a time rule, do it like chess, PUT A TIMER. That way you know how much time you have, and your opponent can't accuse you of slow play

[@MegaCapitalG]

Theres 2000+ players at the event. You'd need a lot of those little clocks.

[@kevinchester9871]

They need to bring something in, people don't need to check graveyards of either player 3-4 times a turn BEFORE making a decision. You test before you go to tourneys, yes there would be that 1 deck or play you're not ready or have prepared for but this game has a Meta and especially top end tournaments like nationals and worlds basically all people in attendance should/would know what is to be expected to be there.

[@rhysjonsmusic]

@@MegaCapitalG So what if they need alot of time clocks? Itd still be alot better and fairer then the current time rules

[@sarthakarora3212]

@@MegaCapitalG Technology, broadcast their time on their phone using a app from the main computers in their office during a event. Cap you thinking like a old man.

[@lambovii]

I'm sure Cap was being sarcastic. But yeah, the chess timer thing is a great idea.

[@alexandrosmourelatos7690]

I guess he was thinking if he could use Heatleo to link down and try to rebuild the board. And he wanted to see if Sanctuary can help him out in the specific play if he used Sunlight wolf. People in 2019 won't believe that humans think once in a while! Amazing! God damn. Humans can think!? Amazing! I obviously ain't saying 10 mins waiting. But 30 seconds IS NOT A STALL. Sit down and think of your own combo! The opponent literally gives you time to think how to approach. I can't see that being a reason to DQ someone. Some play slow ,some play fast. Not all are the same. I play fast. I sometimes mess my own plays. On tournament you got to be CAREFUL. So being slow makes sence. Right?

[@brianaguilar8283]

You’re talking about the same people that won’t let you correct a minor misplay because they’re so fucking desperate to win, that they’ll even resort to rule sharking just to stop you from doing so, even if it doesn’t create an irreparable game state.

[@brianaguilar8283]

Random Guy With Big Nose if you tell me right now that you’ve never made the exact same mistake in your life then you’re a fucking liar.

[@latroyw4650]

Think about it you have to read a spell that's like one of the key cards of the deck from the grave?

[@cookiecutter6735]

Wait.... Holy shit, how will he add the spell back with Sunlight wolf he can't summon him again... Holy shit we were wrong all along?

[@alexandrosmourelatos7690]

Just saying. He was looking for A PLAY. I never said "he will pull this off" or "he will USE sunlight". I just brought on the table that he perhaps was thinking of what he can do. How do you guys know for sure he didn't have a one card combo? He may had the idea of going into Knightmare Cerberus to pop the opponents monster. But you all are quick to judge "Oh you are the guy who does that". I AM A JUDGE! I don't like the slow players BUT THAT WAS NOT SLOW. It was barely a small thinking. How do you know for sure he wasn't thinking "Oh OK so these are on my GY, so that means these cards are in my deck. So I got a chance to recover...wait ,can I recover Sanctuary? -Reads card.- BUT NO. YOU GUYS WHO COMMENT ON KZbin ARE PERFECT GODS. WHO HAVE NEVER SAT TO THINK OF A GAME PLAN. HAVE YOU?!

[@pepc2320]

Meanwhile we got Manav checking graveyards 8 times in a turn. It would be interesting to have a player timer like in chess.

[@edymiguel4247]

I already feel bad for D/D/D players

[@tjarkvos7847]

chessclocks dont work. players would take so much time constantly passing priority. Passing priority can happen 40 times in a turn

[@snarf1851]

​@@tjarkvos7847 Would be better than the current time rules.

[@snarf1851]

@@tjarkvos7847 Here is an idea for a rule that would fix that issue. Give the player who has priory a 5 second grace period to choose if they want to hit their timer to respond or even if they dont technically have a response they should be allowed to take their own time to think. It would be better even if every player abused the full grace period just to run down the opponents timer as much as legally possible. The 50/50 timer would make each player almost 100% responsible for their own time management and prevent rule sharking by giving each player the ability to make plays and think about the game at their own pace.

[@informer5088]

That dude, Manav, did horribly pathetic slowplay in his top 4 which he lost against Jesse Kotton (thx god), but nobody said anything. And that dude actually did it 100% on porpose because Kotton had 3k LP less...😒

[@giannagara7201]

-IRL ygo tournament : easily time out -ygopro percy : you can combos forever. slow play viable too coz you can have your time bar HEAL UP before out if you start play again -ygopro2 : true fair timer :)

[@SpankoYGO]

This is the stupidest decision i’ve seen in a long time, that entire play including him reading the card didn’t take more than 30 seconds, also when I watched this, they said something about salamangreat cards mostly have graveyard effects and maybe he was checking for one, but in no way was that slow playing & he wouldn’t have to because he had the duel in the bag anyway. Bad move on these judges

[@brianaguilar8283]

I wouldn’t be surprised if these judges are biased or bought off.

[@7DeadlyJinxs]

@@brianaguilar8283 What would be the point lol these price cards aren't worth anything.

[@brianaguilar8283]

Se7eN Deadly Jinxs are you sure about that? The Chaos Emperor Dragon Pendulum Monster is over $1,500

[@7DeadlyJinxs]

@@brianaguilar8283 And how much is bribing this guy? Also cash price =/= price cards. It could be worth 1 million dollars, however, it won't mean anything if no one buys it.

[@brianaguilar8283]

Se7eN Deadly Jinxs you could say that about literally any antique ever.

[@BionicReaper]

Actually he could have read it for the lp gain effect nobody uses. Yes he can't get it out of grave now but falco and wolf can get it out. Keep in mind you dont need sanctuary to summon wolf using wolf as link material.

[@kungfuyugioh]

He can make veilynx to search extra copy. So reading one in grave would help in deciding to search the field spell or not. This video isn't good enough to say it's slow play. They are reaching.

[@BionicReaper]

kungfuyugioh probably the guy had friends in the judge group only explanation.

[@WeMoomingNow]

So now I can't read cards in yugioh now? What if I want to check an effect on a card? Just to make sure if I have plays to make? Some people play their deck extensively but they still don't remember all the more niche effects.

[@bloodarcher7841]

if you are going to a high lvl event, you should know what your cards do. reading opponents cards sure.. but come on.. cut it out.

[@arronfaulkner54]

@@bloodarcher7841 well what if you only use certain effects of a card so your not entirely sure of what the extra effects do on your card like most people don't even use the lp gain of sanctuary, and some forget what the second effect does so it can be a case of reading for those effect in your deck you don't use often or don't entirely remember, and yes this does happen at high level tournaments

[@sarthakarora3212]

@@bloodarcher7841 People aren't robots. Please, use you brain and stop saying nonsense.

[@latroyw4650]

I would understand if he was reading a niche tech card but it's one of salad key cards to not make u waste resources

[@WeMoomingNow]

@@bloodarcher7841 If I want to use the 2nd effect of sanctuary I'll definitely read it because I almost never use it

[@payne9682]

I would also disqualify him. Running Salamangreats without Volcanic Shell is straight up asking for him to be banned Day 118 of waiting for new Volcanic support

[@maciejrejowski4682]

Same with Dino players not playing at least 1 of the Evolzars. Still waiting for Evol support.

[@radianzero]

@@maciejrejowski4682 I mean I'm a dino player, _does Laggia and Dolkka count._ What Konami should do is make good dino cards that can be used in any dino deck

[@maciejrejowski4682]

@@radianzero Dude xD, I ment EVOZAR not Evoltile or Evolsaur, Laggia and Dolkka are Evolzars, it's fine xD.

[@L0rdTobithegreat]

Konami is Holding a poll for A new structure deck Go vote

[@maciejrejowski4682]

@@L0rdTobithegreat we talked about it yesterday.

[@tenderam5381]

I counted how much time he "wasted" it was about 10- to 15 seconds that sharking jesus

[@Denyed_]

Koty didn't shark him, he called Jongwon in it in games 1 and 2 because he was slow playing; when this happened, it was a judge's decision to escalate it; not Koty's.

[@Denyed_]

Add in the "checking" of his side deck in game 3 and that gets him a game loss

[@jthememeking]

The only possible moves would have been in extra deck. He didn't need to check his banished, grave or his side deck of all things. Then he read a card he had no way of getting from grave

[@theonethathungers5552]

Jay Garcia “no way of getting from grave” Meanwhile, in the extra deck *SUNLIGHT WOLF*

[@jthememeking]

@@theonethathungers5552 he couldn't make sunlight wolf twice during that turn to add back sanctuary. He had no way to get sanctuary back during that turn

[@theroyalaustralian]

Looks like rulesharking by the judges to me, I would have complained to the tournament managers if this illegal disqualification happened to me, you can't get disqualified for slow play if you're trying to clarify a certain cards effect to yourself, and secondly, I think the player was trying to get the game going

[@jthememeking]

You do if you can't play the card and you're up on life with no way to do extra damage or advance the gamestate. Like I get you need to read cards. But with 4 minutes left, you're really gonna read cards you have no way of getting

[@justawarlord]

@@jthememeking who says its for that turn? he might have mady a balelynx and then made a single wolf hoping he doesnt draw something like meloseek or silquatus in order to get the field spell next turn when he made jack and linked that off to get wolfs effect YOU DONT KNOW HIS INTENTION

[@jthememeking]

@@justawarlord yeah no, at such a major event at top tables with 4 minutes left in time and you start doing random stuff, then yeah that's a warning. Look at the gamestate. There is nothing he could do that involves his hand, graveyard. But that's what he's looking through. To make matters worse, he starts looking through his side deck with 4 minutes left. His only options were to make something from the extra deck, which ironically enough, he didn't look through. If you need time to read cards, then pass turn and read them while your opponent is thinking, because even after he looked through banished, grave and side deck. He spends more time by pulling out a card from grave and reading it. At this point, judges called him out for slow playing. The penalty he received was for unintentional slow play. Meaning, the guy was just playing slow, not because he wanted to win in time. "Being a slow player" is not an excuse for slow playing. Not to mention, the giest player asked him like 3 or 4 times times to play faster. He also got a previous slow play warning.

[@SpartanSoldierMike]

Poor guy. Wasn’t slow playing. No wonder this game is pitiful now.

[@jamesvanhelsing6331]

I got a feeling the judges are starting to get corrupted.....

[@mattwilliam4030]

We have no incentive to. There will always be controversy in our calls.

[@L0rdTobithegreat]

t. Smelly duelist

[@jamesvanhelsing6331]

@@mattwilliam4030 im not saying all judges are corrupted. Im saying there will be some corruption to the system. It happens in every game at least once.

[@brianaguilar8283]

That happens in any competitive environment. It’s looks more pathetic here because there’s no reward for winning.

[@zakd2124]

@@jamesvanhelsing6331 What possible reason would judges be corrupted for? They're not like politicians that take bribe money from companies and stuff. Unless you are suggesting the geist player paid off those judges he likely never met before in his life. If you are suggesting they are on a sort of power trip, that's not corruption, that's just being a really strict judge. Not to mention, the salad player made 4+ illegal moves in the match beforehand, setting a precedent.

[@flopping4life420]

Yea I was trying to find out what happened, the chat was off I was so confuse so thanks for the video bro! I know Dakota in person!

[@draku2398]

The person who called it out was the judge on lee's side, angeloff didnt even do the judge call, but like if you're him at this event are you really gonna tell the judge "nah he's good" and throw it all away. The main split in the community seems to come from debate on whether or not Lee was slowplaying and then that Dakota is sharking, once again the judge himself made the call that it was slowplaying and Lee has been penalized for slowplaying at events beforehand, and new konami policy makes it so you can not even be in a tournament and get dq'd. The one thing I think we can agree on is that the time rules need a better solution

[@traplover6357]

This kinda sad cuz the dude recently played in the OCG so English cards take a bit to read more.

[@V750.]

I saw that yesterday when it was live and i felt bad for him that he got disqualified in my opinion he didn't play slow.

[@latroyw4650]

Ya but why read a card that everyone knows don't do nothing in the grave for?

[@davidarreguin6339]

Aye u the dude on ygoproes forums

[@zawmin-th3rp]

@@latroyw4650 I know the guy. He just came back from Japan on the day of the tournament. Been playing OCG. It takes a bit and rereading to understand the ruling and description between ocg and tcg.

[@V750.]

@@davidarreguin6339 Hey i have been exposed XD

[@latroyw4650]

@@zawmin-th3rp I know the guy too use to be old boi John's wife then he got drafted to ww2 from there he got a bacon sandwich. Tbh I know everyone on KZbin

[@mecurseyoumimikyu4701]

He got banned for reading his own cards? What if he can't read....

[@sarthakarora3212]

people read slow..... like a lot of people read slow and you wonder why most yugioh players only play online, while never taking world championship ever seriously.

[@mecurseyoumimikyu4701]

@@sarthakarora3212 the moral of the story is know your cards off my heart and believe in the heart of the cards lol.

[@ParadigmZwei]

Maybe this goes even deeper - Cap told Lee to slow play to make the other guy look like a shark, thereby causing controversy and giving Cap content to upload, 🤔🤔🤔

[@yeppypeppy7548]

Definitely NOT stalling/slow playing. People need to stop sharking. I agree that the Altergeist player was just hurt he was losing because ive seen people react the same when theyre at a disadvantage.

[@jthememeking]

Keep in mind that this was a the judge's decision. Cap g didn't say it, but he had previous slow play warnings earlier in the match. During this video, giest player didn't call for judge. So rule sharking is completely out of question here.

[@theonethathungers5552]

Jay Garcia No it’s not. I agree, previous accusations of slow play can be suspicious, but if he’s not actually slow playing because he didn’t test against altergeist or he’s in a weird situation, then it’s just sharking

[@jthememeking]

@@theonethathungers5552 the player didn't call the judge for the last infraction. How are you going to shark a player who didn't call the judge

[@theonethathungers5552]

Jay Garcia How do we know that previous accusations were not part of sharking? It’s not the main event and he’s winning. He decides to check Gy. He reads over a card a little long, normal for an OCG player coming into TCG, even if they previously played, especially when he might be reading the LP gain effect because the possibility of running a second copy could exist, and he has Wolf, and then he’s called for slow playing. What’s the geist player going to do?

[@jthememeking]

@@theonethathungers5552 during the match, the salad player was playing slow here and there. At one point, just staring at the board for over a minute without making any moves. You can see koty asked him to play faster several times throughout the match but at no point did he call the judge. The judges watching the match were the ones giving the slow play warnings. The rulebook defines rule sharking as calling the judge to try to get advantage over the player instead of trying to maintain a healthy game state. Rulebook also says you don't have to slow play on purpose to slow play. Being a slow or new player isn't an excuse to slow play. Slow playing on purpose is a completely separate infraction. You can't say koty rulesharked when he never called judge. Which is what rulesharking is

[@shadowofalegend8316]

You can't exactly point the blame at either player, the pacing of the game at its mechanical core stems to such especially when the competitive side of the game on the most part require most of the time spent initiating and executing complex combos

[@sonickid9257]

Can we remove the time rules plz?

[@ChadKakashi]

High level tournaments shouldn't have time rules.

[@theonethathungers5552]

SonicKid925 Oh sure, let’s also get rid of the event schedule.

[@theonethathungers5552]

Alibey Bal no, the exact opposite. High level tournaments need time rules to keep the flow of the tournament going smoothly

[@sonickid9257]

@@theonethathungers5552 Wanna watch this BS again? Viewing Gy multiple times, sloppy calls, slow plays,sharking. It was a knightmare (Pun Intended). It was better with the 5 turn system after time. These time rules reward degenerate play styles.

[@Nick_Ramirez89]

oh yea I wanna watch some one take a 1 hour turn.so much fun.

[@narfd.8837]

Seriously, I think we just need more time per round. Instead of 40 mins I would extend it to 50, with the same time rules applying as right now. Those ten minutes would prevent half of the time calls Edit: Also, on its own, reading your cards isn't a bad thing and needed even if you're seasoned with a deck as the game has so many intricacies and cards with a lot of text. For example: I still regularly catch Thunder Dragon players trying to execute Titans destruction-effect as if it was an "if"-effect when in fact it's a "when"-effect.

[@beircheartaghaistin2332]

An hour for a round? Wtf? A round of Warhammer takes less time than that 😂

[@succubusYT]

I'd play Yu-Gi-Oh an hour a round. It's yugioh, I feel like my opponents won't just slow play with purrely sleepy.

[@RogueHero]

Man that judge call was so trash , Lee was not slow playing.

[@andrewvazquez9557]

Time rules suck, just as Master rule 4

[@SuperNickid]

@MegaCapitalG: the way it look like he got disquilified for changeing the order of his graveyard, the only time you can do that if you target a card in the graveyard, the other posibility his moving a card from his side deck to the Extra deck in the middle of the duel.

[@kish45]

The Altergeist player was just impatient like how some of the players are at these tournaments.

[@sarthakarora3212]

PLAYING ALTERGEIST you what mate? THE stall player doesn't have patience? why is he playing it then and how little patience can one have to be this "impatient"

[@kish45]

sarthak arora No players who take 5 minutes preforming combos all in order to make these overrated unbreakable boards are the ones who stall. And Konami needs to make a three minute time limit for each players turns for tournaments like these.

[@invertedcrayon]

@@kish45 thats the most wrong opinion i've ever heard ahahaha

[@kish45]

globalHell Oh yeah well how about this. Konami should make a extra zone rule where players must use the extra monster zone that is closest to their graveyard unless they extra link and any player who doesn’t follow this rule gets dq. 🖕

[@theonethathungers5552]

kish45 Also the worst ruling I’ve ever heard.

[@arronfaulkner54]

Nah that wasn't slow play, yeah the reading of sanctuary wasn't really needed, but it wasn't a slow play, it could have just been cheeking in case there was something because I've seen that happen where people read a card because they know the main effect but not some extra effects that aren't as well known even by the person who plays the deck, so I'd say no it's not a slow play

[@reesejackson5935]

One guy thought I was slow playing but he was playing a break my board thunder dragon deck and had the colossus, archfiend abyss and amorphage on field Every card in my hand was playable but the order I played them mattered, had to play around negates

[@GamerGhostRider]

*Takes 20 minutes to build one of the most cancerous boards in this game's history* "Muh, can you play faster? Stop slowplaying dude!!"

[@brianaguilar8283]

Dr. Paradox they’re rule sharks basically

[@rhysjonsmusic]

Decks like that is why Maxx c and mystic mine are needed in the game

[@brianaguilar8283]

Papi The Harpy doesn’t that say a lot about this fucking game that we need (we don’t) cancerous crap like Mystic Mine? That card deserves the banhammer already.

[@GamerGhostRider]

@@rhysjonsmusic Yeah, you think about that until you realise that they can also use Maxx C. Also is just a win button against less powerful decks. Also is absolutely sacky; if you can basically win with a single card (which won't happen to the control decks you think about using Maxx C on, but will definitely happen with the more spammy decks), there's some bs there.

[@somekindofdude1130]

He wasn’t slow playing he was winning. It’s more likely that he forgot what he had in his gy or due to pressure he wanted to reread his cards

[@theonethathungers5552]

He’s actually from OCG, so he has to read the cards

[@zefrasol446]

I know a lot of people are on the salamangreat players side, but there also has to be something said about knowing your deck well enough to not continuously take 10+ seconds to respond. This is wcq after all. The altergeist dude knew what he was doing

[@traplover6357]

EA: It's not called slow play. It's called *surprise concentration*

[@Lassiterdc]

I feel you should have included Koty Angeloff’s personal response on Zodiac Duelist as well.

[@aaronphu6897]

Damien Lassiter do you have a link where I can see this?

[@baylorcr2633]

They should have a "Turn" Timelimit or a time device like Chess. To make players know what their cards do and to not give us a thought if they were delaying the game or not.

[@KevinLopez-fm9kz]

Nobody: Slow player: Let me check my graveyard

[@apfeltee34]

I saw Somebody play Summon sorceres isnt it banned? Is there some kind of Rule or Something?

[@cruderschmidt]

Here’s a just solution: a judge time extension.

[@G1ZM0S1S]

How is it slow play when you read a card effect? Espresially salamangreat cards, it's good to double check. Since Konami implemented the new rules and regulations, maybe he was trying to avoid any misplay or see if he could combo with he salamangreats. Plus, it's a card game...

[@gh0rochi363]

Thank you

[@casual_bill8749]

Can someone explain this to me. I get that he was reading cards he couldn't use. But what if he thought he could do something and then realised he'd made a mistake. What constitutes as a slow play here? I've seen slow playing at its most offensive and this was nothing like that.

[@kuyagoldlink7563]

I've lost to slow players before and it sucks. I've learned you have to shark them so you don't lose to time. Anyway, konami needs to incorporate a player timer that gives each player 2 minutes per turn. You exceed your time you get a game loss. Problem solved.

[@nolanb9466]

besides factors and variables such as bias and human fallacy, there should be no reason as to why he should've had a game loss. we don't know why he read sanctuary, and it doesnt matter, the time rule changes are ridiculous. we could come up with numerous reasons why he read it, maybe he was trying to see if he could recurr it, or if it had an effect in grave, etc. The opponent was a rule abuser, a shark. If the entire tourney is going to be like this, even after it was stated that the game was pacing well, then we cant guarantee that whoever wins, at any point, deserves it.

[@brianaguilar8283]

You don’t win anything really, just bragging rights.

[@XOXObullshit]

If anything he was thinking about multiple combos he could have done with that card, even if he couldn’t use it at that moment, reading it carefully to see if it could have been used for a specific Combo. ( that moment where you want to do 5 different combos,but want to be careful. U Pay more attention to your cards for something specific.) that’s how I see it.

[@melffyrabby1009]

Guess judges don't know what thinking is.

[@willchow159]

Another reason why I quit yugioh. The old time rules were so much better.

[@arc7xangel897]

That was BS Koty was getting slapped up and looking for a way out. Also that judge has already been called out at this event multiple times and it's only the beginning of day 2.

[@jthememeking]

Koty didn't call a judge over for this.

[@antoniskordas9523]

most stupid DQ ever. ok he did not need to read the card, but get DQ for 10 seconds? this was not even slowplaying. and i think thay had like about 5 more minutes in the match? really wtf....

[@NAPH170]

Can kinda see it both ways. It doesn't look like slow play from the footage shown, but the guy had previous infractions, and I don't get why a Salamangreat player would need to read a copy of sanctuary in the grave, especially if he can't interact with it in any way.

[@sarthakarora3212]

Mate....you just said there is no slow play in the footage shown, it's irrelevant whether or not he slow played before because this was not a slow play.

[@ALdragon4]

Chess clocks with 30 minutes each side would solve alot of problems.

[@toukyang4457]

Why can't konami change the timer rules....I go to my phone and time myself all the time why cant they use that

[@paulnone9984]

I honestly don't get how you could call someone for looking at a card in a graveyard "time stalling" or "slow playing". Sometimes people like to think of combos to do and just need to re-read a card to see if something might happen in the next turn. I can understand if the guy just sat there literally doing nothing for 2 minutes and was legitimately being a douche trying to waste time, but looking at a card like that and then getting DQ'd for that is pretty absurd. People need time to think, lol. If you want to talk about actual time stalling, I used to do Yugioh tournaments in the early 2000's and I once saw this 8 year old kid enter a tournament where his mother watched him play and his literal strategy was to do just enough damage to the opponent and then to basically stop playing and wasting time so that time would be called and he'd win the duel. I have no idea why the judges didn't seem to do anything about this and I distinctly remember while watching the end of the game that the young kid was just smirking knowing that he was going to win that way and the other player was super pissed off knowing that the young kid was just wasting time to scum a win. The thing is, the young kid didn't even get in trouble for it, which I found very odd and still wonder how an 8 year old could enter tournaments. I guess back in the day they didn't care too much about the age unless it was going to actual nationals or world.

[@SoraOfTheDarkness]

i mean what if he was reading it cause it said "when this card is special summoned" cause he had a card in the deck that special summons a monster from the grave and he just wanted to be reminded of what it is. i didnt even know slow playing is a thing i do this all the time for this reason i just gave i mean its my graveyard we both can look through it so whats the problem. i even did it one time to look at a card and after putting my graveyard back my opponent wanted to look through it too right after wards. idk seems like people are making it a bigger deal then it really is.

[@FizzleFX]

since when you are allowed to have long shirts ? idk. feels weird

[@hyoroemonmeto6874]

Remember that WCS where Hiyama supposedly banned for slow but in final livetream the True King take 20 minutes to finish a turn?

[@TheKaiserdragon23]

My opinion is biased cause John is a friend, he’s just a slow player in general and used to play in ocg Korea which if people know ocg territories slow play a lot so it’s just a habit that’s hard to break. Afterwards before the start of the main event we convinced him to swap out euro desires for NA desires due to the printing issues of those sets. He got 69th after swiss, pretty damn close honestly to topping

[@TheNewKG]

Great video

[@NerdByAnyOtherName]

In my opinion with that kinda thing it depends on the Deck. Someone playing BA, D/D/D, Salamangreat, etc., decks that heavily use the graveyard, would be expected to check through their graveyard for plays. Someone playing, I don't know, Madolches for example would have no reason to. I will admit it was a little suspicious of him to check Sanctuary of all things, but it wasn't like he might lose if his opponent got to go to battle phase or some such.

[@joshuahernandez1567]

He read the card to decide if he wanted to summon out Falco this turn so when it goes to grave the field spell could come out hopefully by the the time his next turn started

[@yuukitaiyou]

IMO the judges to add rulings on penalising rule-sharking instead of fixing the time rule. Time rule is good enough, but it's enforcement isn't IMO.

[@tomardrax9802]

Lee moved stuff around in his graveyard, and didn't make any plays after quite a lengthy turn for no reason.

[@johnyjoe2k]

Was that Altergeist player Dzeef??? LMAO! Time for another rant video...

[@problemsnearyou3863]

johnyjoe2k I’m on the fucking floor ☠️☠️ holy shxt

[@FizzleFX]

*3 minutes are added after slowplay warning* Oo ?

[@joeortiz781]

How he start with altergeist and win with danger TD?

[@detectivesus1863]

how Many minutes i have for my turn ? 3 minutes ?

[@WesleyParksTTV]

Maybe he was double checking the 2nd effect of sanctuary “just in case” lol but ofcourse at this level of play , with the match being 1-1 , it’s safe to assume both players know everything about their decks .

[@sababurd91]

Seen angeloff and didn't really seem surprised 🦈

[@geraldkinderman2794]

Checking the graveyard is public knowledge.

[@drakflare1720]

It is odd he took the field spell out and put the card on top on his gy though. it does seem like stalling a a little but it also seems like lee just got the deck or is borrowing it.

[@MrDarkotaku]

From what i hear if your in a commanding position people will tend to drag time to run the clock.

[@carlosb2669]

He did have a interaction for next turn cuz he could’ve made sunlight wolf and then summoned the jack jaguar his next turn then linked into another sunlight wolf and add back the sanctuary

[@jman199315]

could there have been anything the altergeist player could do to turn the duel around? I think if there was nothing he could do to win in time even if the other person wasn't checking his grave it was a little scummy to do, if not then I can understand the frustrations that the other duelist checking the card and reading for seemly like no reason. I do wanna say this is just from someone who doesn't play competitive and just looking in from the outside so take this however you want

[@thatwackycardgame5655]

Balyenx, add Sanctuary. Activate it, attack and gain extra life points to have the lp advantage for when time is called. Not slow playing, but looks like he was wondering if it may be a good idea.

[@Lgnd_KillrMakoto]

Curiously how does a game loss turn into a disqualification because those are two vastly different punishments.

[@kevinchester9871]

They need to bring something in, people don't need to check graveyards of either player 3-4 times a turn BEFORE making a decision. You test before you go to tourneys, yes there would be that 1 deck or play you're not ready or have prepared for but this game has a Meta and especially top end tournaments like nationals and worlds basically all people in attendance should/would know what is to be expected to be there.

[@Soraking007]

I dot think it was a slow play inte tionally i think he checked his grave as a game state check and wanted to double check what sanct did. Why he did it whilst it wasnt his turn i dont know

[@jonsense4937]

the shark-nado brews in yugiohtown......

[@zenorose8569]

Just wait someone will say their opponent will say they are slow playing for reading their card

[@thewhisperingsylph8738]

Each player should get no more than 60 second per turn (including the time your opponent activate their card and react during your turn). Put a timer on the table, just like how you play in a professional chess tournaments. No player is allowed to ask to read your card's effects. Missplaying will result in disqualification. Do these things and we'll have no problem. Players will just have to adapt to the fast-paced playing style.

[@caster25000]

I love how there's people like "oh, you deserve it if you're reading a card you own and play" - as if everyone that plays Yugioh is capable of 100% memorizing everything their cards do and every interaction those cards have with every card in the meta.

[@cookiecutter6735]

.....They do.... Th-They very much do.... You don't reach so high in the game, you don't get to the top tables by _"not knowing 100% what your cards do and without knowing the interactions with every match-up in the meta"._ This is what differentiates the top tier players from the average player who just had the cash and got his hands on a meta deck. I'm sorry but what you said is factually wrong.

[@sarthakarora3212]

@@cookiecutter6735 you a machine? to not understand that people are not super humans and they can forget something at any time is a fact.

[@cookiecutter6735]

@@sarthakarora3212 Let's put it this way. He has 0 ways to access it. What is he reading? What does he try to remember smart pants? Tell me here, what was the part of the effect that he couldn't remember and was relevant? I'm waiting. ALSO You play an archetype of mostly three-ofs, you spend countless hours play testing the deck, it's combos against all of the match-ups of the current meta. _"You a machine"?_ 👏👏 You made remembering the text of 12 cards a feat achievable only by robots. Then again this second point is not even needed because of the first one.

[@ssengageisop3952]

@@cookiecutter6735 the life point gain effect

[@xedalpha1]

If he wants to take time, fine, just offer to extend the game time past the limit and see how he reacts.

[@nclawder]

Megacaptialg I was one of the judges at the NAWCQ this year, and the salamangreat player DID NOT get Disqualified from the tournament. He received an upgraded Slow Play that resulted in a Game Loss for game 3 of a single elimination tournament. Please make another video clarifying this, I don’t like it when people don’t have the full information and also use the wrong terms for things like this. This is how bad information, rumors are spread and certain players reputation are destroyed among the community. Please do the right thing and make an updated video correcting some of the stuff things you said and also please change the caption of these videos. More people will watch a video you make correcting the issue then read this comment. Please do the right thing.

[@MysentialDelfyre]

And yet nobody upgraded the slow play against manav or even called it? I don't know how manav also didn't get a game loss from checking the same graveyard 3 times when no new information went in.

[@ShadowTaker]

This is why the end of match procedures sucks

[@jacobkelly221]

I absolutely hate the new time rules considering I have had brain hiccups during games consistently- I've checked my graveyard to see if I have any interactions; even with cards that I normally wouldn't, and it's all because I can't think as quickly or as structured as others. If I were in this guys' shoes, I'd instantly hit the 'harassment' button against Konami- considering it wasn't something that took longer than just a few seconds and considering it was already a 'set match'.

[@theoneandonlyfurby]

I miss the days when you didn't need a magnifying glass to read the book that is each card effect.

[@rufouskitty81]

I believe he wasn’t purposely “slow playing” he could’ve forgot the effect of a card and double checked his graveyard to see if he could do anymore plays. I think these new time rules are to strict cause honestly I’ve seen slower salamangreat plays. This is why I go to locals and won’t go to events. I live near Pittsburgh and debated on going and now I’m glad I didn’t with these refs.

[@drew5121]

Timeout. Simple explanation. He has a jaguar on the field. If he wanted to couldn’t he Baelynx the Jaguar, thus being able to grab another copy of “Salamangreat Sanctuary” from his deck. Before deciding to do that, he read the full effect of the copy in the graveyard to see if that play would even be worth it?

[@Quintonieum]

It seems like next turn he was going to link off into sunlight wolf next turn, reading cards doesn't seem that unreasonable.

[@agr0nianTV]

Reading over the field spell was the kicker no clue what he was thinking if it wasn't to slow play :/

[@aaronphu6897]

agr0nianTV I think he was trying to add the Sanctuary back to gain LP and have more LP than his opponent.

[@kevinf3291]

But you'll get DQ if you attempt to rush everything in a speed duel format though... lol

[@7DeadlyJinxs]

What?

[@theonethathungers5552]

A Junkrat Enthusiast That’s not giving your opponent enough time to respond, something that can also give you a DQ in official yugioh

[@sigurdvickery3523]

Honestly, the time rules are the biggest issue here, they just bring out the worst in people.

[@whyjon2990]

the feature match with jesse kotton same stream, his opponent game three checked both graves twice to three times in the same turn and didn't get a slow play when the pace actually fell. poor lee. although pretty sure lee gazelled into gazelle game one

[@T0talN00B]

Are we not aloud to think our moves anymore? Lol

[@davidwilkinson2234]

He wasn't DQ'ed. He received a 2nd slow play in the same match, which the policy documents dictate that the penalty needs to be upgraded to a game loss. There is a HUGE difference between a game loss causing you to be eliminated from a single elimination tournament and a disqualification.

[@yu-gi-ohheathen]

Another reason why to enjoy yugioh is stay away from tournaments. They are toxic and ruin yugioh

[@matthewireland5593]

Could've been tryna see if he could go wolf and get it back. Or something to that effect and was like damn I ain't got shit for ya, set, pass. "Judge, he stalling and I'm bout to lose cuz I don't have cards, cheat for me bae?" Ugh he'll never be a good player for his win at any cost tactics