Alright Privateer Press... Let's Chat Warmachine

[@2Tough]

UPDATE: I see now that I misunderstood their section on STLs. Yeah, it’s disappointing for sure :/

[@minacapella8319]

It still probably means cheaper mass production.

[@KaptajnCongoboy]

It would be economic suicide at this point unfortunately. But it is a step on the way.

[@ArnoVdVelde]

@@minacapella8319 I kind of expect that it will just mean a bigger profit margin or them being able to scale production better, less so than a savings. At least judging by the starter boxes.

[@minacapella8319]

@@ArnoVdVelde I guess we will see. Usually pp isn't as ridiculous about price gouging as geedubz

[@TheGlitchyBit]

@@KaptajnCongoboy Also selling STLs is a great way to devalue your game and make damn sure that every bridge with game stores is burned forever. I do hope they sell files for things like terrain, bits and IKRPG characters though.

[@jackrogers5712]

Would love to see you cover more Warmachine and Iron Kingdoms stuff. Even people who don't play the games would learn to love the setting if they were introduced to it by someone skilled at it like you are. Privateer Press would appreciate the positive attention and I imagine you could attract some new viewers.

[@2Tough]

aw thank you!

[@LuisJimenez-pb3ge]

I strongly agree

[@MichaelAlthauser]

Iron Kingdoms is a really fantastic setting. I much prefer the earlier Witchfire Trilogy era stuff, rather than the newest lore, but still.

[@Trepallexux]

Late to the party. As for covering more warmachine and Iron kingdom i would say "yes please". It has a rich lore and after trying MKIV i can say that i love it. So far i think its the best edition they did. Thank you for any future content

[@gabrieljusti1322]

Privateer press will not sell stls, they will start using 3d printing to produce their models, but the warjacks will come with the magnets needed

[@muffe223]

Yeah according to their announcement, they themselves will be 3D printing models, they will not be selling stl’s. I first read that and thought a lot of people might missunderstand this and think they might be able to print things themselves. Which they won’t

[@walterdimmick653]

Lots of content creators have made this same mistake. Probably in the rush to make content and post it, not taking time to actually read the material released.

[@lumbermill8588]

@Khoranis as someone who owns a 3d printer, I cant justify paying pp for their models when I could make them at home for pennies.

[@RotaFury]

Warmachine/Hordes was and still is one of my favorite setting's and i love the game deeply so i am VERY excited for a new edition. Well i am disappointed not all factions will be there right away...i think it is in the long run a smart move, not to mention likely best for them to do. Also i never saw the the vote on if you do video's on other stuff and would LOVE to see Warmachine video's!!

[@MasterShake9000]

I want Privateer Press to succeed if only to keep the P3 paint range around. The game completely died here in Kansas City and I’ve no idea if people will give them a second chance.

[@SuperDuperHappyTime]

So here’s what really killed Warmahordes: A major selling point was how they play tested the hell out of the new edition. And for 80% of the factions, it was. It was not for Skorne, or Trollbloods. While the latter had had a little taste of glory in competitive (usually getting nerfed after), Skorne was a near bottom feeder, easily the worst of the nine core factions. Most players were hoping for mid table. They sunk below Mercs, Minions, and Convergence. The Skorne Community on PP’s own forums were livid. PP’s response, on top of every other bad thing that you mentioned, was to kill the forums. This is what I think truly killed the game: scattering the community and implementing “no negativity” posting. Proof the community would be right would come six months later, when they got the first rules overhaul, and had had zero 1st-3rd place finishes (when everyone else had at least one). All this said, and while I would have preferred a AoS 1.0 style rules rewrite, I LOVE everything about this. Except the price. It’s fine. But I want to see GW’s model come down, and I think it’s about $50 too much for the starter and $40 too much for the add-on pack to pose a major threat to GW’s Top Spot.

[@nicolastousignant9160]

Killing the forum was pretty much the icing on the crap cake. It definitely killed any interest for me, it was my daily fix and kept the flame alive. When it died I just tuned out and went in search of a place i felt welcome.

[@mortenbrandtjensen6470]

I just wanted my Trollbloods to have a good melee fight with Khador, but it always ended up in Khadors favor. Eventually I switched to a truly shooty Cygnar list, won some games and we called it a day. It sort of felt like a Blades of Khorne mortal list vs. Daughters of Khaine. Very much uphill.

[@MichaelAlthauser]

Let's be honest, at this point pretty much nothing will ever take Games Workshop's top spot in terms of tabletop wargaming. They've been doing this for far too long and their various IP's have aspects that appeal to almost everyone in some form or another. Privateer Press coming in with a new edition and offering 3d printed miniatures certainly isn't going to be it. But I do wish PP the best of luck moving forward, and I hope that MkIV is a mega success for them. I really enjoy the Iron KIngdoms, and was a dedicated Warmachine player for a very, very long time. (And I do agree with you that PP's pricing on these sets is a bit too high; $200 is a BIG ask for a new edition when they've burned quite a few bridges in the past with both customers and retailers alike.

[@vermin9190]

plus where im located warmachine/horde cost the same as GWs model

[@flameknightdragon]

​@@vermin9190 oh they always have. it is just before themes you needed to buy less

[@OriginallyGinger]

I am super interested in the lore and world of the iron kingdoms and would love to see videos on it, the aesthetic of the setting was one of the things that made me want to get into war gaming so I really hope this move works for them, it sounds way more consumer friendly so that's a big plus for me

[@james3d686]

Man it would be so amazing if you did lore videos on Iron kingdoms! 🤞

[@2Tough]

That's the plan! Ideally PP and I can work together and collect art/lore resources. It would save an immense amount of time

[@james3d686]

@@2Tough That would be amazing I can’t wait!!!

[@ianpietila6377]

Yes please!! More lore videos on the Iron Kingdoms.

[@beyersviljoen1160]

Thanks for this man. I got into AoS first, roundabout same time your channel started genuinely taking off, now I've recently started getting into warmachine because the aesthetic caught my eye. I've gotten my hands on a few WM models and they're gorgeous... We need lore videos man, this game deserves love

[@GulliasTurtle]

Warmachine 2nd was my game. I loved it. I had one of the most active scenes in the country and played every week. I dropped out when it started to be more like Warhammer. Lots of new armies and big centerpiece models that caused the average point value of a game to go up and get more confusing. I really hope 4th is fun again. If you haven't played it it really is the most fun tactical game on the market. The spell system is great and the ability to win out of nowhere adds so much fun and tactical depth. I wonder where my Menoth army ended up?

[@kennethfharkin]

BINGO! All of a sudden there were giant war wagons and then colossals. It became like watching W40K with people dropping Titans on the table. That is when I checked out of Warmachine as well.

[@IzualMTG]

A few friends and I are extremely excited about the new mk4 rules and announcement. We played back in mk2 and into mk3, we weren't involved in the mass community at the time and we didn't understand why everyone was pooping on them. The community died out but we are going to play isolated if it doesn't pick up in the local area. The sculpts look very nice and throwing magnets into the kits is a huge step!

[@thecalicokid]

***LORE SPOILERS BELOW*** For me, I'm getting out because my faction no longer exists. I played Retribution of Scyrah (Iosan Elves) and they no longer exist. After the last of their gods died, all of the Elves ended up dying, turning into eldritch undead abominations, sexy vampires, or their soulless thralls. My aesthetic no longer exists in the setting and have no incentive to stay invested anymore.

[@2Tough]

That is SUPER valid! I wish you the best and if there are other game systems you'd like covered, just let me know :)

[@thecalicokid]

@@2Tough I'm kinda interested in Rivenstone. The setting seems neat and the 2 lead game designers are former Privateer Press devs that worked on some of the best stuff in Mark 3 (Hungerford and Faye).

[@Waywardpaladin]

Read through their House post again, there are living elves outside of Ios, the Dawnguard survives in some form. Retribution will have Prime armies so you can use your old army, but going forward Dusk will have living and undead. Unfortunately it sounds like they're going to be split into two armies so if you want undead super wizards mixed with living elf fighters you'll have to hope they have a cadre or two you can mix between the armies.

[@thecalicokid]

@@Waywardpaladin I don't know what it is about undead, vampires, eldritch abominations, or anything of that sort, but my interest in anything centered around them just sinks straight into the red.

[@flameknightdragon]

@@Waywardpaladin they are still around but they are not ret. they were mostly civilians the already lived outside ios.

[@scottbarber2736]

I played at the beginning and won events in the northeast and gen con and origins, I about 2009, I focused on blood bowl and let WM fade in my mind. But now, I am back, working on learning the new rules and meta. I just got back in this month and am dying to game w a new group and enjoying the rebuild. nice video!

[@willschoonover8654]

To help out with the "flat terrain" discussion. Privateer Press never embraced mousepad terrain, but the community used it extensively. All we did was take out the specific rule for Elevation mattering, much like GW did when they declared that hills are just part of the battlefield surface and not a piece of terrain. And we didn't even do that until recently, well after entire community ran tourneys were 100% flat.

[@KaptajnCongoboy]

Hi Will! It is SO weird people blame PP for this. I was there, Gandalf, when tournament organizers for major tournaments, despairing at having to store and transport wagonload of terrain, went to 2d terrain for practical reasons. And then within a year everyone was using it.

[@willschoonover8654]

@@KaptajnCongoboy yup. I totally understood when TOs ran a 64 player tourney out of a shoebox, but flat terrain combined with unpainted (and sometimes 80% assembled) models made the game a lot less attractive to new players than your average 40K tourney. And not to pull a "Guildball" but that was 100% the community pushing the game that way by caring more about the fidelity of model placement than what the game looked like.

[@KaptajnCongoboy]

@@willschoonover8654 We don't talk about Guildball

[@zacnewman7140]

Maybe a little bit late to the party here, but 16:30 talking about only some of the warjacks having arm-swap options; only new Mk IV releases are getting the new mechanics like the modular jacks and spell rack options. The Stryker is a Mk IV jack so it has the 64 possible loadouts, while the other unit cards are for legacy models. The plan is that new Armies will have just three Warcasters, two jacks, and a handful of units and solos and that's it, so basically _every_ Army is a Convergence of Cyriss style limited release. Meanwhile the Mk IV launch will also include two Armies for each faction built from the existing range that doesn't have all the new mechanics but does have a wider range of models to compensate, so the Stalker doesn't have weapon options but the Cryx Bane-themed army has five jacks available. And then, on top of that, there will be Cadre models that can be used by any Army that belongs to the same Faction as the Cadre, and that's where the Colossals, Gargantuans, and Battle Engines are eventually going to live. (And the Unlimited format exists where you can play anything that shares a Faction together, but they've flat out stated it won't be as well balanced.) I think it's a good compromise to allow existing players to continue using their collections while also not bogging themselves down with needing to balance every new thing against the entire range forever.

[@braedzero8127]

I'm a good bit biased in this situation because I play Ret and it's a faction that doesn't exist in the new time period, but I'm quite disappointed in the fact that existing models are being relegated to a separate format and that new rules like Command Cards and Warjack Customization aren't going to apply to legacy armies. I'll give mkIV a shot with the models I have, but I doubt I will stick with it. I'm very hesitant about buying any of the new models, as all new minis will be 3d printed, and they're charging quite the premium for the new kits

[@Waywardpaladin]

There are still living elves outside of Ios, and the Dusk have the Dawnguard working with them. I am a bit afraid that they're going to go House as an army, the living as another army, and you'll only be able to mix one with the other through cadres. But Retribution will have some Prime armies too.

[@flameknightdragon]

@@Waywardpaladin not really. Ret is a dead faction in the lore and will be legacy only. putting them at a disadvantage vs the new stuff.

[@Waywardpaladin]

@@flameknightdragon If you read it, you would know a section of it is going to be legal for Prime, and all of it will be legal in Unlimited. Now you might say it will be at a disadvantage because it might not be designed to take advantage of the some of the new mechanics, but we haven't seen how it shakes out yet. Now, storyline wise there isn't likely to be a group going by that name now that the elf gods are dead, but there will still be living Iosian elves.

[@Ythari82]

Legacy Prime armies, which they’ll announce in October, can use command cards. They just won’t have the new customization like spell rack or swappable jack arms and stuff. I have a large Skorne collection so I’m looking forward to what stuff will make the cut into a Legacy Prime army, but I’ve also bought some of the new boxes they’re selling at Gencon :)

[@braedzero8127]

@@Ythari82 Legacy armies only get access to the basic set of Command Cards, nothing faction-specific or lore-friendly. Also, Hordes models aren't getting ANY rules until July 2023 at the very earlies.

[@zacnewman7140]

32:00 No they most certainly did _not_ trim down the number of stats, they actually _added_ three. A lot of models used to have Magic Ability (X) where X was how good they were at casting spells, that's been replaced by adding an Arcane Attack stat to MAT and RAT, and Warcasters also used to use the FOC stat to control how much Focus they had and how good they were at casting spells _and_ how far away Warjacks and Warbeasts could get from them, and now those are three different stats.

[@EloquentTroll]

I was a Khador player who really Loved the Farrow, I remember getting up to some absolute nonsense back in the day with Butcher3, Rorsh, and Brine. People told my list was stupid, but 60% of the time it worked every time. B3 is basically an assassination machine, everyone knows, and everyone knows to bog him down as hard as you can, but with Rorsh, Brine, and a Battle Boar you have a secondary credible assassination vector with a similar deceptively long non-linear engagement range against all but the most sturdy of Warcasters/locks. It's more tenuous than Orsus Zaktovir's reputation, but fully buffed Brine is an absolute that that can pressure units off of objectives if you're setting up for it and youre prepared for your beasts to go Berserk on the next turn (Warmachine was resource management, Hordes was risk management). I wish more piggies were willing to work for the motherland, because I might have picked them up as a second faction.

[@EloquentTroll]

I will freely admit that my local metagame at the time had zero other Khador players, Squishier Warcasters were popular and only one player actually played Hordes (Skorne player, and that guy had my number, and he leaned on the big guy riding an enormous beast, the only times I ever beat him was because I got creative with Ruin [the Butcher's character 'jack who is a soul collector with significant anti-magic properties] and that linchpin turned our games back and forth so often. We sharpened ourselves against and learned a lot, we didn't even change our lists, but his attention on Ruin and my use of it was actually the focus of our rivalry, and it paid off better for me because I was learning the best implementation of a model I was using, and he was learning a model that only I was playing in the local meta)

[@EloquentTroll]

We were 50/50, but our rivalry pushed me forward and gave me a more nuanced take on how to go about an assassination victory, and I learned how to take points when people decided to turtle up. Also my rival was the only other person not leaning into the Defense Skew at the shop, we both leaned into Armor Skew and profited, everyone else doubled down on Defense. Dude was absolutely chill when Butcher3 delivered the victory, but when Brine ended him he got super testy, like my dude he's my other assassination plan, I'm expecting you to bog down Butcher and Brine carry me.

[@EloquentTroll]

Xerxis, Fury of Halaak, that's the Warlock he ran

[@Matthew_Dubroq]

I'm excited for the relaunch, I bought a whole Khador army at my flgs for $35 as they dumped their used Warmachine stuff. It's sat unpainted sometimes used for DnD, but it seems I may finally give them a go.

[@TheRoark]

While I would love to recapture how it felt to play warmachine as a teen, I am not excited about 200 dollar starter boxes as the way to get into the game, regardless of if they are good value or not. In addition, not jazzed about buying someone else’s 3D printed models when I have a 3D printer

[@gkdaniels1]

I’m finding this video about a year after you published it. I’m an old war machine/hordes player from Mk one and two, and it really fell off with Mk 3 in my gaming circles. We play everything from conquest to malfux to AOS. The problem that most of us are finding is, we invested hundreds of dollars in our armies, and now, private to your press, wants us to scrap our old armies, and buy all new models for different factions. Given the economy in the US, and the fact that we have hundreds of dollars of models that we’re not allowed to play with anymore (competitively), there is very little interest.

[@trolleymouse]

So by the end of Mk III, they had Circle, Convergence, Crucible, Cryx, Cygnar, Grymkin, Infernals, Khador, Legion, Mercenaries, Minions, Protectorate, Retribution, Skorne, and Trollbloods.

[@stormshaft]

Great job getting people psyched for Warmachine (again), Doug. :) Sitting and gluing together some Legion of Everblight and listening to you talking about Mk4 feels nice. :) Doing your great lore-videos on the history of Immoren and the Iron Kingdoms would be awesome. There aren't enough lore-videos about that game out there, and your touch on lore is second to none. I hope you talk more about Warmachine ahead. :)

[@jacobkuglar8857]

Excited to see Warmachine content on the channel, PLEASE DO MORE! I'm cautiosly optimistic though, like a lot of folks, I worry that the initial investment is a bit high. Its why GW has their tiered starter sets and hopefully, PP will be able to implement something similar in the next year or so if the game can attract back a lot of the old, core, audience. New blood in the game is definitely gonna be key.

[@jamesn2830]

I am weirdly incredibly interested in how they are handling they’re new model production. Entire range to be 3D printed, and all attachments will have pre made slots for magnets which come in box. They want you to magnetize these models so you have more fun swapping things out. That’s damn cool

[@muffe223]

Unfortunatly you are wrong in regards to the 3D printing. It states in the article you showed at the end that PP themselves will be 3D printing these models and selling them. They will not be selling stl files.

[@Bryancstephan]

I liked flat terrain back when I played Warmachine. It was usually printed with a really nice image so you knew exactly what it was. It looked better than you would expect on the board too. And I didn't have to worry about the minis that I had spent hours assembling and painting falling over and shattering because I had to try to balance them on a styrofoam hill. Not saying I dislike 3D terrain, just saying the flat terrain isn't so bad.

[@wyrdhunter]

PP’s plan for Mk4 is designed to be very new player friendly and enticing. That being said, there’s little to bring existing players of previous versions into this edition. Their OP strategy is designed solely for the new armies. Yes, you might be able to bring in some older models but it’s mostly the new stuff. Yes, they will update to allow you to use existing models eventually but their primary mode of play is described by them as an anything goes arena akin to the Wild West. So if your collection is not going to be part of their new army building methodology, you’re effectively going back to third edition and playing with unbalanced broken…stuff. I had been playing since the game first came out but couldn’t take the insanity of trying to prepare for the massive number of gotcha moments coming at you. Their immense model bloat and addition of more and more rules made the game essentially unplayable. And now they’re telling us that that is our only option for OP. Umm, just no. And I agree that the pricing of their new starters and expansions is ridiculous. It’s the same issue with their sci-fi warcaster game. I like the designs, the rules look decent but the price is way too high. I wish them luck but they have a serious uphill road to climb and they seem to be throwing broken glass in their own path.

[@septymesk7721]

Honestly, the majority of people that I see are interested in MKIV are old players from MKII, myself included. These new rules are addressing most of the issues that a lot of old school players said was problematic (abusive spam lists, gotcha scenarios that your faction may have little to no answer, theme lists that provide such huge benefits that you have to take them; because if you don't build one but your opponent does, you're going to be too far behind the 8-ball to win, etc). I think the big issue they are going to face is convincing players who felt burned by MKIII to give it another shot

[@azarite7932]

I played cygnar and what killed it for me was the continual nerfs of my favorite models. Haley 2 got nerfed into the ground Caine 2 nerfed into the ground. While other factions got buffs or new stuff it felt the models I had bought were being made unplayable.

[@christopherschlegel6412]

i would like to see warmachine covered here. I'm still on the fence, as I sold my Khador army during a rough layoff. I hope that some of my favorite little subfactions will make it through to mk4 but i'm waiting and seeing.

[@benytreeide568]

I've played some warmachine, in Mk II. I enjoyed playing. Played Khador. Not enough people to play against in my local area. Great setting and good looking models.

[@davidblenner9082]

Yasssssss minions!!! Granted I was more blindwater than farrow but one of my favorite warlocks was sturm and drang

[@drpretzel2086]

I’d like to see more warmachine content as I still find the world Caen

[@Bskijr]

I'm interested in seeing more Warmachine!

[@JavlinVII]

Would love to see more Warmahordes content.

[@brenttterry8259]

"Just glue the model together" Omg I feel this so hard. Every time I ask about a loadout I get the answer, "magnets".

[@kariranta-ojala5181]

hey Doug. i just decided to have a look at Warmachine/Hordes. I'd vote yes for covering Warmachine. With Iron Kingdoms RPG there is a tonne of lore to cover.

[@InquisitorQ]

Yes, I absolutely want variety in my wargames. Please keep it up, even if they aren't as common as 40k/AoS! And I agree, I think people bring the videogame/ mmo mentality "ded gam", and that's not healthy for wargaming nor accurate. I have a curious feeling how many people play the exact same group of folks over and over and not the rando at the shop or practice tournament games. Of those 3-4-5-6 other people, if they had a small force or rotating schedule, the game wouldn't seem so dead. Also, the competition made GW get their collective baggage together. Competition in the miniature sphere is a good thing. If PP can take a slice of GW's pie, I'd bet we could see digital codex's and rules. Or I'm dreaming.🤷‍♂

[@TacticalSkew]

I am 1000000% here for Warmachine. I see you were into the idea of STL's, but I don't want to 3D print, so buying them is just fine for me :)

[@MrJGlass]

I remember when first finding your channel I thought you'd enjoy Warmachine. Now I have to avoid getting my hopes up for the new edition justifing Warmachine lore videos from you.

[@2Tough]

If PP responds to my emails/DMS, then I’m all in :)

[@NewGuy2534]

Summary of each faction: Cygnar - Morally best of all the kingdoms, but subtly imperialist and bigoted to non-human races prior to Oblivion. Khador - Russia. Every Russian stereotype is there. Honestly imperialist and bigoted to non-Khadorans. Ord - Spain and Pirates. Llael - France with biowarfare. Ios - Racist/Isolationist Elves. Rhul - Patriarchal Dwarves. Protectorate of Menoth - Religious zealots who hate anyone who isn’t thinking about Menoth 24/7. Cryx - Nagash’s wet dream, mostly because it’s a bunch of islands. But good luck taking it, since it’s ruled by a dragon.

[@kennethfharkin]

I am fine with the new rules. I am fine with limiting the models for the new "prime" mode. I am 100% AGAINST requiring people who have been in this for well over a decade that none of their models dating all the way back to the original Prime are no longer suitable for Mk4 Prime. That is BS. There is NO REASON they cannot rebuild off of the original Prime units, adding new units, mechanics, etc. PP screwed their Monsterpocalypse player base when they brought that game back at a new scale JUST TO RING THE CASH REGISTER. When they did that I and many others refused to buy anything. The same will happen now with Warmachine.

[@yyzhed]

Warmachine was the first wargame I played regularly with folks at my FLGS. I was actually part of a slow-grow league that I was super excited to be a part of.... That started in February of 2020. I haven't seen any of those guys since the before times, but if they start playing regularly again, I'll probably dig my troll boys out and join them.

[@chitzkoi]

IDK if you twigged since this video but judging by PP's public comments Cryx and Menoth are never getting new minis. At most the concepts might appear in a future new faction but, as with Dusk replacing Retribution, they're all about new factions. The legacy rules are really just to soften the blow for legacy armies, which will never get modular jacks etc.

[@SuperEagle112]

Rhulic “gun-bunnies” are a good hook. Cute and very killy. My introduction into warm machine was everybody’s 40k Gateway drug, the protectorate. While I think they are beautiful the colossal‘s and gargantuan‘s where the beginning of the end for me. If I wanted to play with knights I would play 40 K. The theme forces of Mk three and everyone taking the same theme forces with the same free models also should’ve been a red flag. That being said I’m very excited for this new addition and while I have to wait a while for my protectorate and circle I’ll wait patiently and get what I can without having to buy a whole army

[@SteelShadow07]

Love the universe! Would love to see some videos over here on Warmachine. Want to see some real KZbin content on one of my favorite IPs. Very much miss WMH from its "heydays", when GW was in a bit of decline and along comes this Steampunk Arcana Fantasy universe. After watching WarGamerGirl's video on the new Khador winter guard set that will be coming and seeing the quality of their resin prints I can honestly say I am super excited. Would love to see a rush of new blood dabbling over and hopefully spark a new Gold Rush.

[@AndrewMcColl]

I got into Warmachine way back when it first launched all those years ago. Don't mention the number, my knees hurt enough as it is. It was definitely a breath of fresh air after years of 40k dominance, and watching the game grow and evolve over the years was a delight. Oddly enough, it wasn't the lack of painting that made me eventually step away from the game. Painting seems to be a lot more popular down here. No, it was the hardcore tournament players. As that side of the game took off, it became harder to find someone willing to play a more casual game. There's only so many times you can play against fully tested and tweaked lists, inevitably losing on the second or third turn because your brain isn't a battle computer that can estimate charge distances at a glance, before a game loses its shine. But hey, I'm pleased to see PP moving forward with Mk4. Blending the Warmachine and Hordes rules together makes sense. STL printing kits seems odd now, but will probably pay off in the long run, and including slots for magnets is a genius move.

[@MichaelAlthauser]

I stopped playing for similar reasons. Our local community had really great players that were also very enjoyable to play against - they'd often suggest moves I could make in order to pull off certain moves or try to get a win. But in the end I realized that in order to become a better player, I'd have to invest far more time in the entire game than I would ever be able to invest.

[@aaronbostian163]

Your experience with Warmachine is similar to mine--I drifted into Warhammer during the End Times because I was drawn to the dynamic narrative, and after spending weeks painting up my first army for my first Warmachine tournament I felt disappointed that I lost my games so fast and to opponent's armies which weren't even primed and even "missing arms"! But I'm excited at this news that Warmachine isn't gone.

[@tritonthunderfury5935]

Hey buddy! Thank you for this video!

[@2Tough]

You bet!

[@kaibe5241]

Got yourself a new subscriber. Thank you so much for the more balanced and nuanced take on what PP is doing. I for one am very, very excited for MK4. The price point for the armies is, I think, just low enough for me to get one of my mates into it :) He absolutely couldn't before.

[@Gamers_of_Oz]

I payed Mk1 missed MK2 and came back for Mk3 I love the game I enjoyed the complexity of the game I'm just not sure of what MK4 will play like, some things I like some things I am unsure of so I go in with cautious optimism. I did love MK3 and when they did the dynamic update I thought it was even better. Never played on tournament level so I guess I never seen the issues other people had and complained about to merit a MK4.

[@SlashTheWeasel]

Just found your channel. Seeing little what is being said about Warmachine. Haven't played in months and last I did was brawlmachine which I thought was great way to get new players at smaller points which we actually got new players in. I've played Warmachine/Hordes since early MK2. Personally my group and I liked/loved MK3 due that lot of rules were changed in good way but it did mess with some factions in bad ways like Skorne. I feel like the game found a balance finally even with the large amount of models for each faction. I liked that PP never devalued my army. I hope they still don't is my biggest concern going forward. I would like if they left MK3 available for those that may still want to play it if they want. But I understand why PP is doing what they are doing as a company. they got to make something for folks to buy and they have to make it where folks can easily pick it up and play and stores can carry it without the bloat of models. My local group are excited about these changes. Due to personal life challenges and too much stress, I'm not looking forward to learning new stuff. Perhap later when I have less stress. Or when I see my beloved Circle return. I may play Legacy since I have so much of their stuff.

[@franciscoteixeira174]

I knew about the ttrpg in the setting, didn't know they had a wargame

[@mrtwinkels7085]

I'm a bit sad. We played warmahordes since the very start of MK2, we played Mk3 a lot and on a regular bases, we baught new models, Evan black anchor models. We supported the company because they supported their models and made sure that you as a player could use all your models which you build and painted in many hours. And now they come along and tell us something about a prime and a legacy format. This sounds a lot like magic the gathering. I am afraid that at some point they will tell you "you can't use model x in prime anymore because what ever..." And we as a gaming group will not support this. We will stick to mk3 and we will not buy new models anymore.

[@raymondharnack4160]

Yeah man….. I started playing this game 4 months before legends came out. They had the minis world by the balls and squandered that all the whole GW was course correcting. I think the only way they’ll survive is bringing back pressgangers you can almost watch their numbers dip with direct correlation to when they removed pressgangers. They were the real reason this game became successful.

[@JustinRogers80]

Storm legion models will no longer be immune to lightning, instead they will only be resistant to it. Check the rules and this means that instead of 2d6+ damage it's only 1d6+ damage. Which kinda sucks for screening an electro-leap gun with your models. But it's clear they're doing this because there will be so few army options at the beginning of mk4

[@gilbertoriveramedia8437]

I’m a 40k player tired of playing an un-fun game created by a company that does not care. I’m pumped for this edition. I’m new to War Machine and I’m all in. Please bring this to your channel.

[@zacnewman7140]

You gloss over attacking your own models, but that was a really integral part of the game. I have a slow unit that can shoot after charging? Charge one of my own grunts to get it up the field faster or maybe just to get a model with a 5" move and a 5" base past a fence. There's a super high-defence model that I can't realistically hit with anything? Slam one of my own models into it to knock it down so it's easier to hit. My opponent has cleverly crippled one of my units with a spell so it's standing between a big damage dealer and an important target? Yeah, I'll cap a couple of my own models to get them out of the way. Heck, even just using the Push power attack to extend a big Warjack's threat range by an inch could win games. Being able to target you own models opened up a huge volume of tactical space.

[@cyberlox2ndgigdixon211]

Cryx4Life!!! I really didn't play the game to much. Iam more in to the painting and collecting. Iam pretty excited about mark 4 tho and yes I would love to see more war machine content.

[@Tigerheart01]

I loved the models, and I loved the lore. However, I could never get into the game mechanics. If you can trust your opponent to roll their dice and mark damage honestly, you don't even have to be at the table when it's your opponent's turn. I hate that. Even the horribly unbalanced and overpriced Warhammer 40k gives you things to do while it's your opponent's turn...

[@ianpietila6377]

Thank you for this video. This gives me a good feeling about the game and I look forward to seeing more of it…when you can. 😉 I’ll be willing to give it a try and promote it to my community. Thank you.

[@kellyhoesing2573]

I picked up the Orgoth preview box, I figure this is basically Warmachine 2, so new game new army.

[@xXOrdep87Xx]

I would really like to see more Warmachine content. I joined for AOS Lore and it’s a pleasant surprise that you are interested in Warmachine. Warmachine lore videos would be awesome!

[@miguSelles]

Hey man! Please keep talking about Warmachine, love the world and the game. I really enjoy your videos :D

[@calebemory2134]

More warmachine videos of how to start playing and game play for us new guys would be great 👍

[@dangercat8919]

Still bummed that they are giving he middle finger to legacy armies, especially Hordes. I will wait to judge the new rules once they've release more information, but right now, it's not looking good. They need to sell us on this new edition, and the way it was released makes me feel like they don't actually believe in their own game. It's a very sad state for the game.

[@goblinknight2470]

Im a fan of the game who is actively playing and MK4 is great and a good time to play again. Alos love the positive outlook on hobby games. Keep it up bro.

[@BergerFett]

Our community is starting to come back here in Connecticut. had 9 plays last night and its only growing. Excited to see a game i put so much time into a decade ago making a comeback with a lot of the same people.

[@pokepete3]

Yes please continue to follow / discuss war machine. You seem fair and not biased toward drama. Just the facts, which I appreciate!

[@andrewlongoria4090]

If they got rid of pre-measuring the game would be fun. But the hour first turns, with the ability to mark what you are doing before you move ruins the game.

[@Wabajck]

Love to see more WMH content. I started with the tail end of MK2 and played thru MK3. I have hope for MK4

[@alexsechrist3924]

So glad you could cover this. Been a consistent Warmachine player for over 7 years. I am so glad they are moving the story forward and making new product while reducing the sku bloat. So all the new Warjacks going forward will be getting all the customization options. All the older jacks will still be their preset as before.

[@hughmyers8583]

It's concerning that they didn't preview new models for the new edition. Also kind of funny that warmachine mk IV brings up a marvel character when you search. Not great.

[@Raatcharch]

They have, just not in this article. There have been previews for Mark IV Cygnar and Orgoth so far.

[@georgepitre9680]

@@Raatcharch And a few Khador winter guard

[@oldschoolgamerOo]

So I realize you might not see this comment as this is from a year and a half ago but curious on maybe a follow up on your thoughts about the direction now?

[@mortthepirate6318]

I would like to hear more about this! Warma-hordes sits in a really weird space for me. It was sold to me as a skirmish game but turns out it was an army sized game.

[@erpagan]

"Wonder why they died alone and lonely..." Thank for the laugh. I'm definitely that guy.

[@unkelTP]

Like most things teens and young folks get into, politics and games, they have a childish need to be catered to. They need to have the focus on them.

[@OchoMiniatures]

Rhulic is the dwarfs you were trying to think of

[@ManofManySorrows]

Look I wish the best for PP and the game itself, I played the game for almost 10 years. I will not be returning because of the community, at least in my area. If toxic needed a definition it would be the Warmachine community in my area. You cannot just go to a hobby store and forget life and play a game with little plastic models. You better be of the same mindset of the majority of the community or you will be harassed or isolated. The community refuses to see this and well, it's just easier to play at my local GW store and not EVER have to deal with people that just cannot shut up.

[@2Tough]

Man, that's really rough. I'm sorry to hear that :/

[@ManofManySorrows]

@@2Tough I don't mean to be a Debbie Downer. I LOVED the models, they were really cool and the story and background was just so my style. It's just with 40K and AoS the community is so much fun, so laidback. Even the competitive guys, I'm one of them, are very helpful and awesome to be around. I love your channel and all the hard work you do. I came to AoS because of your channel so thank you for helping me stay in the tabletop hobby.

[@flameknightdragon]

honestly it reminds me of when I was playing with a new player at my LGS. we were not playing steam roller and had players interrupt us since "we played to many turns", or "why are you not playing steam roller". let's just say that player quit and went to play warhammer. and honestly community is PP's fault for the most part do to fostering a toxic tournament only play. and refused to support narrative games until it was to late.

[@ManofManySorrows]

@@actualwafflesenjoyer That didn't bother me as much as the people that would latterly tell me I was a horrible person, that hated everyone just because I happen to be a Christian. Every time I would show up at my LHS I would have to sit and listen to it for 30 mins before then games would start. I don't care if you want to poke fun at me but every dang time I am at the store then I'm sorry I'm not going to waste my time.

[@ManofManySorrows]

@@actualwafflesenjoyer It's just that community...NEVER have an issue with AoS or 40K players ever.

[@ArnoVdVelde]

The other beta rules are trickling out, so won't take long to see all the other stuff they got in the pipeline. I am nervous about those extra spells. A lot of t he time that turns into a none choice.

[@flameknightdragon]

so the reason they they menoth, and cryx do not have the customizations is do to the fact they are legacy armies aka dead factions. Which are not getting any of the extra rules added in MK4, and will not get any extra balance passes. Since in the oblivion event aka Warmachine's end times event they nuked many of the factions out of the lore. menoth was one of them, and in lore cryx made it but have done nothing but try to steal from a single grave and failed.

[@fumarc4501]

I’d love some warmachine and hordes lore videos. They’re really interesting!

[@septymesk7721]

Good news! More than cygnar now gave interchangeable parts! Lol

[@patrickhartigan2068]

I would love u to talk about warmachine some of my favorite gaming memories

[@arickrysl8654]

Definitely want to get back into it, and if you did lore videos i would watch those.

[@ezralimpisatien2068]

Hi there, I was watching this and kind of interested in the game. How is the game right now?

[@pepdawg18]

Any Warmachine update videos coming out?

[@greatgreentide7701]

I’d love to hear more about Warmachine! Please make more videos

[@sandpirate1662]

I'd be up some more warmachine on the channel

[@MattPerrin]

I haven't seen it posted but has PP changed their stance on kitbashs and custom paint schemes? If I remember right, they had pretty strict rules for it which kind of turned me of

[@flameknightdragon]

you can do what ever paint job you want. the issue is they are still anti kit bash. like it has to be like 60% PP parts and still no weapon swapping aloud,

[@alukemckool]

I hope you keep highlighting the game I’m hoping it succeeds

[@snackelwolf4462]

More warmachine content, yes please!

[@christyhenry4321]

Just played a game a couple days ago. Had a blast.

[@iwillbecomeimmortalordietr8506]

I wanna see more. Cryx revival lets gooo

[@calgacusmaeatae3964]

I couldn’t have said it better👏

[@MrSphinchee]

Yes please make more warmachine content.

[@TheBearMoose]

Ever since I left Warmachine after the release of MKIII, I have not been able to find something that really scratches that ouch like WM did. This announcement actually has me excited to play again. As such, I would enjoy seeing WM and Iron Kingdoms on your channel.

[@mikey_vengenz]

I might have been inclined to give it another shot. However, when I read the announcement article and FAQ it's apparent to me that this will all just be more of the same crap. The reference to blowing up the old world wasn't the only dig on GW. It's clear that part of their identity is still being the "anti-GW" wargame. I already witnessed part of that toxicity in the community when I played warmachine. It's fine to not like a company or game, but be about your own thing. Every other non GW game I play does it's own thing and never, at least openly, says things like, "well we're not a huge company! We're just the small guys! We don't do things like some 'other' companies do." Wink wink. Screw them.

[@braedzero8127]

Especially because the way they are handling bringing old Warmachine factions into the new edition is basically the same way that armies were brought into AoS, just marketed as definitely not being an End Times equivalent.

[@Robert-ms2xs]

Eh never bothered me. They wanted the market that was upset with the way GW handled its rules/playerbase. Privateer press certainly lost its way at some point but it isn't like GW doesnt do that on a semi-annual basis. 40k has been repeatedly kept a float through marketing and good hype through its poorer decisions. They were always the little guy in the room with worse models. I do think warmachine was a much better for competitive play than 40k. Where as 40k has always imo been better for casual play. They are also different style games. I am not going to be upset about any jabs at a GW. GW is a fairly not consumer friendly company on the reg. Nor am I gonna fan boy over PP. Just would be nice to have another game supported to keep GW honest. I doubt it'll reach MK2 lvls of play but it'd be good if it did for all of us.

[@agollumcalledgandalf]

I'm so excited for this, mk 1 was my first actual wargame The middle earth magazine was my gateway but my local gaming community was very much over GW at the time and everyone was playing warmachine and hordes mk 1. I really really hope this turns out great. And if they're printing the minis anyway, I wish they would just straight up sell stls on-line Edit: apparently they will sell stls, wow

[@Darwingreen5]

I liked the Animus system in Hordes. Basically each beast gave your Warlock an additional spell, and your beasts could cast them too. I can see the confusing part is your warlock had to spend fury to cast and the beast generated fury by casting them. I played trollkin, so I often doubled up on much needed animus like the ones Dire-trolls and Axers had.