The NBA's Broken Conference [The Shootaround]

[@alsorustybuckets]

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[@WHITEPERSUAS1ON]

Nick bringing up record with West vs West and East vs East was hilarious. I was like hmm interesting point and then realized it will always be .500 😭

[@Thatkid461]

2 good teams In the east Being outside the play-in in the west is around the 3-4 seed in the east

[@Mlghighlits]

Nice to see Joakim Noah on an NBA podcast

[@chilldoc9638]

Ivicia Zubac, Anderson varajao, and gordan Hayward too

[@TheRagingSpartan_03]

the east is the most unserious conference in sports

[@The2006Scaper]

Agreed but Bronnie out west evens things up a bit

[@fluffymyato3334]

​@@The2006Scaper bruh, a bronnie led lakers would be top 3 in the east

[@jonathanzelaya8972]

@@fluffymyato3334yea exactly they are automatically winning 60+ games

[@The2006Scaper]

@@fluffymyato3334 stop lmfao

[@brennan_]

The Kenny Atkinson ethnic investigation bit is why you gentlemen are my GOATs

[@liteflightify]

Time zones and not making teams constantly travel all across the country every week is why conferences still exist. It’s also easier to build rivalries and narratives within conferences. The east would look a lot better if almost half of the top players in the east weren’t missing so many games at the start of this season. The east is also a more physical conference, which makes injuries more likely and makes high-flying and high scoring games less persistent.

[@urbaindelva7869]

Injuries and underperformance have been the main roadblocks for the Eastern Conference this year. However, that is also due to a number of Eastern teams either making some changes (Knicks, Hawks, Pistons, etc.) or just rebuilding. I think that it will start to pick up when some of those teams become healthier or find their rhythm. 26:02-27:53 I agree with Alex that Russ did not "ruin" triple doubles, but he did devalue them with the way he got them and the impact (or lack thereof) it had on winning. Players like Jokić, Giannis, Luka, and LeBron probably don't see the need to average a triple double even though they could if they tried to; they could also do it more efficiently in the natural flow of the game while probably leading their team to more wins compared to Russ. Also, Russ could've done other things that would've been more advantageous for OKC that year: shooting the ball better, more consistent defense, getting his teammates involved, and smarter decisions on the court overall, which were big criticisms of him at the time.

[@matthewadkins7973]

Literally an eastern conference video and no mention of the magic👀

[@Andrewjs2187]

What's there to mention? Paolo's been hurt and they've been middle of the road

[@peacefulwarrior9518]

@@Andrewjs2187 They've looked good without him actually. Top 3 defense statistically. On 5 game win streak. Tons of things worth discussing lots of national media KZbin channels like the Ringer have been buzzing about them. This is why you don't make flippant comments about a team you dont watch :)

[@matthewadkins7973]

@Andrewjs2187 they're the third seed? They mentioned the bum ass Knicks and pacers but no magic?👀💀😐

[@matthewadkins7973]

@@peacefulwarrior9518 I think rusty has something against us😔

[@peacefulwarrior9518]

@@matthewadkins7973 Im not even a magic fan. Just giving credit where it's due. Unlike 90% of NBA youtube comments which is random uninformed trash talk.

[@johnreydelatorre3450]

I wish the playoffs were a top 16. But conference finals is nice. Maybe odds vs evens?

[@lokimanezero]

A lot of East cope in the comments.

[@willstout5988]

“But but but we have 1 or 2 good teams” 😂😂😂😂 these people don’t realize how they are validating the point being made.

[@Sasunero-k4e]

@@lokimanezero bro why does it even matter ? East still winning the chip

[@rubaiyat300]

Just proves if you are guaranteed a seat at the table it’s easy to back into wins. If the East had to play the West throughout the playoffs most year the last quarter of a century would have been double West teams.

[@Dimezprod]

George Washington from VA so stay salty

[@georgebutler7850]

Make it north south.

[@bishopszmyd3099]

Love these shortened videos of the pod

[@shieldon530]

I hadn’t considered the significance of this Cavs team’s success without Bron. That’s awesome

[@SomeChink]

Philly is toast The sooner they embrace the arrival of the Jared McCain era the better

[@urbaindelva7869]

Jared McCain era? I'm sorry. Did Maxey retire already?

[@knicksknoggin]

I feel the top teams are the time teams because they aren’t missing players or they didn’t have much turn over in the off season . All these teams like the Knicks and sixers and bucks have a good amount of new faces or significant players injured

[@knicksknoggin]

Also the sixers are ass lol . For all that talent they have , even without their core 3; they should have won more than 2 games …

[@urbaindelva7869]

​@@knicksknogginYou can say that, but is their depth really reliable enough for them to stay afloat without their core 3? 38-year-old Lowry? 35-year-old Eric Gordon? Oubre? 34-year-old Reggie Jackson? A rookie in Jared McCain? Drummond? Caleb Martin? Yabusele? They're all solid players, but they can only do so much.

[@Moss_Head21]

With Mikal only reason his 3pt % is bad is his break away 3’s have been bad his corner 3’s tho are like 47% so that’s where his bad % comes from

[@clouddueitt6577]

I haven’t looked, but how is he on transition plays in general?

[@bmomgrimm6242]

The 76ers just havent had all 3 stars at once. Its not like they are clearing teams or anything but they probably pushing top 2 seed if they were healthy. (Btw i know a lot of teams could say something similar)

[@IncrementalProgress-yy5fq]

The East is definetely weaker but there's a lot of underperformers who'll even out the difference when they get going. I have zero belief in the sixers but they aren't bottom of the conference bad. Knicks , Bucks and Heat will get better with their stars carrying them. Hopefully young teams out of the East like the Pistons , Hornets , Raptors and Nets can correct this lopsidedness in the next few seasons. Also the Magic are a decent team and learning to win without Banchero so when he's back they'll be a top team as well.

[@nevohyams]

the comments are so dumb lol, there's pretty clear disparity and there has been for a while, stronger Eastern teams have an easier league and playoffs

[@vampirecountingmoneyup2248]

I watch the full pod then the whole cut. shout out the shoot around

[@M3333C]

As a Celtics fan, thank god for Cleveland. We at least need some decent competition in this Mickey mouse conference we're running

[@quinnmiller68]

Cavs are currently running the east, not the Celtics🤫

[@chesterhigh5886]

@@quinnmiller68Don’t get ahead of yourself. I’m a lifelong Cavs fan, but you have to beat the best to be the best.

[@MihoyMinoy-si8fb]

@quinnmiller68 Don’t get me wrong. The Cavs are very good. But the Celtics are still better and the Cavs especially in the playoffs are matchup dependent. Like if they played the Magic again in the first round there’s a good chance they could get ousted in the first round.

[@chesterhigh5886]

@@MihoyMinoy-si8fb Not sure I agree with the last part of your statement. Health played a major role going into the playoffs with the Cavs last season. Don’t think it went 7 games just because of matchups.

[@MihoyMinoy-si8fb]

@@chesterhigh5886 The point is The Celtics can beat anybody regardless of matchups based on talent, depth and coaching alone. The Cavs are not nearly as talented and can be beat by teams who have athletic, faster wing players. My argument stands.

[@JayTeeGR]

A single semi finals appearance (even if you get swept), gives a bad GM the excuse to stay for another 5 years. It can give an aging highly paid superstar, the excuse to get another 3-5 years extension. Just cancel this East-West thing, and allow only good teams to compete, even if most of them are from the Western conference. It's sad but, the way it is now, the worst team available, might be lucky enough to reach the finals, just because of injuries and pairings.... 🤔

[@roscoeorginal]

I just hope the East Playoffs will be interesting, that’s all I care about. With how the season is starting, it looks really top heavy.

[@peacefulwarrior9518]

IDK Cavs look fine

[@takeurmon]

and thats about it

[@chrisdavisii9034]

NBA fans and the media enjoy wasting all of their energy making fake rumors or scenarios about Giannis leaving Milwaukee instead of talking about his monstrous mvp seasons. Yet voters fatigue happens, which shouldn’t be a thing.

[@goldmouthlito]

I had a dream that Giannis got traded to the Wizards and Cooper Flagg was already there meaning this would be after the draft. If this comes true, don’t say I didn’t warn you

[@The2006Scaper]

Celtics/Cavs Huge gap Everyone else

[@RurouniLeonardo360]

Is there some way the conferences can be realigned?

[@joelchiddix7199]

Feb 29th? Rusty is 6?

[@ethanteague4499]

No way rusty is only 4 years older than me what the actual fuck

[@columbusoking81]

Brad Stevens said cavs would be a threat in the GM poll he was the only one who picked them ..Brad knows ball #Celtics #Banner19 incoming

[@Diaghol]

The eastern conference teams are better competitors in the playoffs than the western conference teams... Most of the sweeps in the playoffs took place in the west.😢😢😢😢😢

[@briizy300]

the jk dobbins comment hurt a lil as a ravnes fan how is he doing as a charger

[@thesocratescamden]

Westbrook was getting Triple Double with the worst spacing of any MVP of the modern era. Also, the rebound argument against Russ makes no sense when the is NO GUARD in NBA history that can actually outrebound 7 footers like Russ can. Hes the best rebounding guard ever.

[@urbaindelva7869]

Russ is ONE of the best rebounding guards ever, but keep in mind that his rebounds during his MVP season were due to his teammates making it easier for him by boxing out the opposing bigs. He would also snatch rebounds from his teammates.

[@thesocratescamden]

@urbaindelva7869 He averages 7 for before the 2017 season and averaged 11 boards WITHOUT Steven Adams in 2021 with an entire different team. Thats just another talking point to discredit imo.

[@urbaindelva7869]

​@@thesocratescamdenI'm talking about his MVP season specifically, not before then or 4 years later. I just acknowledged him as one of the best rebounding guards ever, but Idk that he is the best in that category.

[@chrisludwig4729]

Get rid of conferences. There's no reason to keep them. IDC if that means billion dollar franchises need to spend a bit more on plane tickets. You can keep the play-in, but just take the top [X] teams and reseed them by record with tie breakers going to strength of schedule.

[@him37404]

No, eighth seeded teams have made it to the finals before .. ur idea is dumb … they have a model that’s been working for years

[@rubaiyat300]

Someone should let the Knicks know they didn’t make the 1999 Finals. I wonder who the Spurs beat?

[@fluffymyato3334]

keep the conferences but make the 1st round east vs west instead.

[@darren806]

​@@fluffymyato3334oh my god people would riot but I'd love to see it 😂

[@deepvoicedude4749]

Time zones are still a thing.

[@charlesthrush8134]

What’s happening rn is the east has two great teams, like 10 mid teams and like two dog ass teams. Hoping the Knicks can get it together, last couple games have been promising

[@Criminelsoyeux]

2 great ? dont let the cavs fool you. they had an okay calendar so far , lets see how the things go for the them in january when they will start to travel

[@charlesthrush8134]

@ stfu they’re 15-0.

[@maximusorbis2548]

@@Criminelsoyeux15-0 mate your just hating

[@philliprhinehardt6268]

Boston and Cleveland are the best teams in the East right now.

[@bladefox5082]

What is the song you use in every video

[@alsorustybuckets]

Lofi but awesomer

[@bladefox5082]

@ ok ty

[@gluestick5759]

My favorite segment was the Atkinson Jewish Conspiracy

[@darren806]

I know people were thinking the East would be a lot better this year, with the moves a few teams have made and stars coming back from injuries, but maybe its just a year too early. I could see an increasingly close competition over the next 5 years. Especially with weaker teams rising or set to rise after finishing their tanks, and established teams continuing to gel and maybe make some more big trades. Also great vid all the guys have interesting points to add 😘

[@whobitmyname]

It's not too late to fire Doc Rivers.

[@urbaindelva7869]

Even if they do, that won't fix everything.

[@jz4027]

the mfing goats

[@robertdaniels-lane7321]

The eastern conference hasn’t really been amazing since the 2000s to early 2010. At least that’s my unpopular opinion. 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@Sqeaky6969]

That's cus the east was still ass back then, there's a reason only 2 ecf teams won during that time. The vast majority of those years the west had 8-9 teams that all would've had a chance for home court advantage had they been in the east

[@thecoolrich]

I just wanna hear Rustybuckets

[@peacefulwarrior9518]

Over Rated topic. East is worse but it's not by an order of magnitude.

[@devingoff1944]

people love to trash the east as a whole but the beat team in the league... usually in the east lmao

[@jpsportsection]

Lebron carried the east. The east is buns. Celtics are good but find a team without bron in the last 20 years that’s definitely #1

[@Thousandths.]

Because the east stinks 😭 whether it be cause of injuries or not

[@Sasunero-k4e]

@@Thousandths. no

[@Sasunero-k4e]

@@jpsportsection no the east had Paul pierce and Kyle Lowry

[@Dr._is_sleepy]

@@Sasunero-k4etrolling lmao

[@jacobsmithr1819]

Besides the Celtics, and Lebron teams, i cant think of a another very good east team in the last 12 years, unless you want to include the 2021 nets

[@chriscastillo196]

The raptors, the bucks, and Philly’s big 4.

[@DinoKicks24]

@@chriscastillo196yea for awhile it was the east that was getting tougher

[@usablefiber]

Phish!

[@logicalbrother]

Cooper Flag is nothing more than another Franz Wagner...good player but not all that

[@MrPek-fe9fp]

East top heavy and otherwise poopy ca ca excuse my language

[@aidenkervin9758]

thank god motown noah stopped swearing like a 12 y/o

[@shieldon530]

Lmfao if OKC gets flagg and Giannis the other 29 teams have got to go on strike bc that’s ode😭

[@gabagool9074]

I respectfully disgaree with Alex's Chet injury take. I've fallen on my hip like that dozens of times, i've played basketball, hockey, soccer, etc. I know the type of people that get injured often. Him fracturing his hip is exaclty the type of thing that would happen to someone with a frail frame that he has.

[@lewistee1]

Triple doubles are a result of usage, not more talented players and doing away with size and rebounding. Any superstar can get a triple double in the right system. Cade Cunningham got three straight this year and one tonight. He’s playing specifically to get a triple double. Micheal Jordan had a 11 straight triple double streak, that was intentional. Double digit points is a given, get your assists and rebounds(mostly uncontested )early and you are likely to get a triple double if you are ball dominant.

[@darthstarfire]

Thank you LeBron out here padding his stats

[@toxic0470]

​@@darthstarfire bro said Bron as if the triple double getting watered down wasn't due to russ

[@urbaindelva7869]

No, not any superstar can get a triple double in the right situation. They have to have the game, the opportunity, and the willingness to do it, and many of them don't have one of those 3 factors. Jordan and Cade are just some of the few who can get triple doubles off of game and opportunity alone.

[@VanLee00]

If I hear these KZbin and Big Media analysts say “the East is bad” one more time… my head is gonna explode. Only one team represents each conference in the Finals. Whether or not the East is bad or the West is good is IRRELEVANT. You can’t get new fresh takes in basketball anymore. Everyone is just parroting one another.

[@HSTLMLWL]

Yeah but the east playoffs will be so trash

[@zlPaRaDoXx]

I disagree. Western teams margin of error is much smaller. Look at the Pelicans, because of injuries they are likely to miss the playoffs. Whereas the 76ers still have a chance to make the playoffs despite their horrendous start because of how easier it is to make the playoffs in the east compared to the west

[@willstout5988]

This is a fucking stupid take. The playoffs matter, and good western teams missing them while shitty eastern teams get to play boring ass series SUCKS for the sport.

[@willstout5988]

No, people aren’t parroting each other, they actually all agree the eastern conference sucks and it’s not good for the sport for good teams in the west to be missing playoffs while barely .500 teams in the east go every year and play the most boring series imaginable

[@roscoeorginal]

@@willstout5988last year the Rockets were a .500 record and didn’t even make it in the Play in Tournament but half of the Play In teams from the East were below .500😭

[@singingvideos3329]

Did these idiots just slander cam Thomas to hell but gave props to cam Johnson & Dennis schroder two players he’s clearly better than? Y’all don’t know anything about basketball

[@urbaindelva7869]

They talked about his lack of involvement without having the ball in his hands, which is a pretty minor thing. They did not "slander him to hell."

[@NiteOwlVibes]

Who cares?

[@MrPek-fe9fp]

Me ✊

[@Sasunero-k4e]

All this trash talk just for the east to win the championship again

[@viscondeesteves2872]

In the last 15 seasons the east won 5 championships

[@jpsportsection]

Trash talk? The east is ass. 1 good team doesn’t change anything

[@Sasunero-k4e]

@@viscondeesteves2872 see you in finals bud

[@Sasunero-k4e]

@@jpsportsection see you in the finals that’s all ima say

[@viscondeesteves2872]

@@Sasunero-k4e dude, none of us are playing 😭😭😭