What if the Mongol Empire Never Existed?

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[@gerbill13]

me1 second in " 90% of the population wouldn't be related "

[@death-istic9586]

Love your videos!💚

[@LibertyAnd1776]

Inb4 it becomes the next 23andme

[@bbaxter9171]

you think being part canadian is bad im half ohian

[@adan1444]

My condolences for your Canadian syndrome.

[@EmperorTigerstar]

The Mongols changed so much in so many places that they're basically the human series reboot force.

[@Theonlyrealonethereis]

Thugshaker central

[@lucianapalmisano918]

Please ​@@imperiumgallicum don't start here too

[@aymanparvezsherani5988]

Yeah without the mongols history would be so radically different, similar to alexander the greatest effect would probably be the dynasties and kingdoms set up after genghis khan's death

[@WawkWakw]

​@@lucianapalmisano918 People nowadays have little idea of what communism actually is

[@flazzorb]

God: This shits boring, *GABRIEL, start another nomadic empire, make it world shaping!*

[@kabobawsome]

My favorite thing about the fall of the Rum Sultanate is that it was genuinely hilariously petty. Rum was *willing* to pay tribute and even approached the MONGOLS with the offer, the Mongols asked if he could do it in person and the Sultan just told them he wouldn't be able to do it in person, due to the distance. The messenger then left to pass on the message and the Sultan continued on and thought nothing of it. Then the Mongols showed up with an army.

[@kcinrennat2606]

“If our army could make the journey, so could you!”

[@Aerodeth]

And you know what? I would be willing to bet that even if the Sultan were to agree to go down that extremely long path to the other side of Asia to present tribute to the Khan in person, he probably wouldve been killed for not showing up fast enough or with ENOUGH tribute. Or the Khan wouldve ordered to have his Sultanate sacked and occupied by the time the Sultan came back.

[@RexOedipus.]

​@@Aerodeth The mongols took their oaths seriously. They were brutal yes, but that's to those who wont bow

[@perrytran9504]

​@@RexOedipus. Yep. Rus nobles did visit the capital various times and I don't know of a single time a BS excuse was used to execute one who made it that way. The Mongols also didn't seem particularly strict about how much tribute was offered - King Louis IX sent a gift that was misinterpreted as a sign of submission because to them, any tribute from a foreign ruler had that connotation.

[@PLee-vu6mp]

lesson here is... "never tell your potential employer that the office is too far"

[@JaelaOrdo]

*I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of Genghis’s descendants cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.*

[@lucianapalmisano918]

*Mongol throat singing stops*

[@Peachrocks5]

On the other hand millions of other descendants would live instead. Who knows what baby Genghis had murdered that would have led someone else to greatness?

[@hydrogammer7623]

Read that as France not force, so I got really confused.

[@sloshed-rat]

​@@hydrogammer7623good job, goober

[@Balsiefen]

_Back to the Future photograph of the entire population of China starts fading._

[@rasmusjp]

You forgot the most important ramifications of Genghis Khan being out of the picture: West Germany’s entry in the 1979 Eurovision Song Contest would have been significantly less memorable.

[@I.am.not.in.your.house.or.am.I]

They would’ve made a song about Hungary or something

[@diegoyqulki]

​@@I.am.not.in.your.house.or.am.Ior turkey

[@I.am.not.in.your.house.or.am.I]

@@diegoyqulki I guess there were a lot of Turkic hordes before the Mongols.

[@BaljkaBIM]

​@@I.am.not.in.your.house.or.am.IIt would be best to use huns not Turkic or Mongolic

[@I.am.not.in.your.house.or.am.I]

@@BaljkaBIM Wonder what would happen to Mongolia if there wasn’t a Genghis Khan. Maybe they’d make a song about China or something.

[@jimmyalfonda3536]

Genghis Khan really was like "if you shoot the messenger, you're going to wish I only shot you."

[@KOCChristian]

Genghis Khan wanted kings to respect and wanted conquer the lands to improve the Silk Road. Unfortunately a lot stubborn Kings didn’t want give him coin cause they need more money for parties and we’re the most disrespectful one that got the worst treatment. He was a fair man, just pay him and you don’t get a war.

[@JorgePerez-mg6ok]

@@KOCChristian Did you even watch the video? His forces killed millions, sometimes on a whim.

[@199kur]

brother doesn't

[@JmKrokY]

💀

[@yeeyee5057]

​@@KOCChristianhe shouldn't be going out to demand tribute from people minding their business thousands of miles away in the first place

[@moredac2881]

Cody being part Canadian is actually the most horrific thing in this video.

[@Sinyao]

Just icing on the cake of being from Ohio. Just can't fix that.

[@noot3427]

as a canadian, at least it isn't French.

[@davey5703]

Americans on their way to hate on every single country like they're perfect:

[@ccvcharger]

⁠@@davey5703oh we know we aren’t a perfect nation. Ohio is a reminder of that.

[@BagofBeans1]

@@ccvcharger Ohio? What about *Florida* ?

[@Vaquita_Vibes]

If anything, Genghis Khan existing was a defining moment for our planet's history. Crazy that he really came from the backwater steep with nothing but minor tribes bickering and next to actual regional powers that were just grinding each other down,

[@ProjektTaku]

Just a ridiculous amount of influence. What was bro thinking as a child?

[@____________838]

@@ProjektTaku *drinks kefir* “Man, fuck this.”

[@zaneron8391]

@@ProjektTaku Lets not die after being abandoned by my tribe, and, Thank fuck my mom is great at this survival stuff, probably.

[@griefwizard]

that really back hands how strong and influencial tatars were throughout history, literally one of the most dominant powers in antiquity

[@giovannicervantes2053]

A child of fucking fate born in the far edge of the world to conquer the world

[@dr.veronica6155]

So what you're saying is that several states were entering the Golden Age arc when the Mongols came in with a bunch of editorial changes and turned it into the Mongols Win vs Everyone arc instead.

[@madmalkavian3857]

This is something i notice a lot in history, your empire may be in it's golden age, but that's nothing compared to the sheer power of some horse farmers who really want your stuff.

[@vincent_hall]

Proof that history is written by the devs, not us NPCs. 😂 Yes, I'm changing your writing analogy to a gaming one.

[@vincent_hall]

​@@madmalkavian3857 well, sht!

[@imnotkiddinggg]

cody absolutely needs to do a "what if the black plague never existed" after teasing us with it at the end, the black plague has always weirded me out, like nature server wiped half the planet in the middle ages and cherry picked the bloodlines of our modern day its fucking scary 0_0

[@thesenate1844]

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[@G-Cole-01]

@landon8214 One should know by now that KZbin doesn't "tell" people anything. It just makes your comment invisible to everyone, but lets their shitty code still count it towards the reply count of the original comment.

[@thongdo9809]

I should be note that the reason why Gheghis has so much descendant was mainly due to him lived 800 years ago and his linage split and spread across the world follow his death as the Empire was divided. Also the research that started the meme about Gheghis Khan is the ancestor of 5% of humanity was actually a research into a gene that came from Mongolia and spread across Asia. They manage to trace the origin back to the time frame around Ghenghis time and he as the most famous Mongolian common ancestor during that time.

[@mimorisenpai8540]

And most of that dude actually descendants from Mongolian commoners

[@bigsmonk2428]

Can’t believe I had to scroll this far in the comments before finding someone to point this out

[@thesquishedelf1301]

Yeah, Genghis was kinda famous among his men for not really being okay with adultery. His entire conquest began because man just wanted his wife back, he didn’t want nor need any side chicks. His kids and grandkids on the other hand… well they were a bit less salted earth, let’s put it that way

[@adamnesico]

Kings and generals has a video that shows that the common ancestor isn’t Chingis.

[@angelscribner9719]

as a georgian (yes the country) this is the saddest a video of yours has ever made me. thanks cody.

[@stevemcgroob4446]

I really think we should start calling your country Sakartvelo in English.

[@angelscribner9719]

@@stevemcgroob4446 word.

[@ccdsds3221]

Wussup my asian brother

[@Game_Hero]

@@stevemcgroob4446 Why? They the OG Georgia, aren't they?

[@stevemcgroob4446]

@@Game_Hero Georgia is an exonym. Sakartvelo is the name Georgians actually use in their language.

[@h.utspah4863]

Something tha'ts worth adding to the situation in Poland, is that without the battle of Legnica Silesian Piasts could potentially reconsolidate the kingdom and keep Silesia in Poland, which could mean weaker Teutonic Order, so the christianization of the Baltics and Lithuanian conquests go very differently, as well as without the rise of Kuyavian Piasts, Casimir III does not make a deal for his nephew Louis of Hungary to leave the kingdom to Louis's daughter Jadwiga which means no marriage to Jogaila, no Krewo Union and no Commonwealth.

[@olivernagy1805]

Yeah Hungary's and Poland's history would be really different. We would both probably start to go east and conquer land there although a guaranteed side effect would be that the polish-hungarien friendship would break up as we would compete for influence there

[@mastercalabaster9824]

@@olivernagy1805 therefore it's the worst timeline ever. I can't accept a reality in which Poles and Hungarians are not friends....

[@Solar424]

Genealogy sponsorship on a Genghis Khan video is too good

[@DoritosAndMountainDew]

Fun fact: There's actually an alternate history timeline called the "Chaos Timeline" with this exact premise- Genghis Khan dies in 1200 after falling off his horse, and so, the Mongol Empire never comes to be. I'd recommend checking it out if you're interested!

[@steveqi9309]

Where can I find this time line? Can’t exactly just google it considering the name is quite generic.

[@ThatPersonYouKnow5]

@@steveqi9309 if you look it up it should be the first thing that pops up. I just checked.

[@vincent_hall]

Dies from falling off his horse?! A Mongol? 😂😂 That's probably like a westerner dying from getting a bug while programming software.

[@MarcTelang]

@@steveqi9309 the alternate history fandom wiki has it

[@justsomeguywholikesmangoes1363]

Almost makes me sad. Imagine how many potentially great people were killed before they got the chance to achieve insane goals.

[@FictionHubZA]

And all it took was Ghengis teaching his friends how to ride horse and shoot arrows.😂

[@thongdo9809]

@@FictionHubZA They already good at those things. What Ghengis taught them was how to organize into an army.

[@kirbydaclan4285]

Natural selection

[@minestar2247]

Yeah, and current systems don't help either, they stifle potential

[@unavela]

By the same logic he avoided many possible tyrants that could've popped up

[@TheWhiteDragon3]

I think the funniest thing about the Mongol rampage over Europe is that it wasn't even a proper campaign army. The empire was busy rampaging elsewhere, and Ghengis Khan wanted a scouting report on the lands in the West before a "proper" invasion, so he gave his best general Subutai three Tumen (30,000 men) and told him to go figure out what's out there and bring back whatever plunder they can. Turns out, it was states that had much smaller armies than they expected.

[@moogiibat5845]

They were mostly chasing after the Cumans, they kinda dragged Russian, Hungary and Poland into this.

[@adamnesico]

The rampage in Europe was after Chingis, and was a full mogol campaign with big numbers.

[@ElBandito]

@@adamnesico He meant the 1220 great raid of Jebe and Subutai where they heavily defeated the Georgians, the Alans, the, Cumans, the Rus, and all other political entities along the way.

[@alex_ho]

​@@ElBanditogiving whole *"the UED fleet was just an expedition force"* energy here

[@vincent_hall]

The lesson being to form up into much bigger states or allegiances? Hard for organisms from a smaller place with easier lifestyle to compete against the hardcore organism from a harsh, high-competition, large place. That's why we have invasive species: living in a bigger place means more competition, therefore stronger players.

[@graham7784]

And there goes 5% of the world population’s ancestry

[@Kemot300]

But 10% of the world population gets to continue living

[@slyseal2091]

@@Kemot300 10% of the world population around the year 1000. 5% of the world population in the year 2000 on the other hand, that time travellers got a greater highscore than all moustache men of the 20th century combined.

[@sloshed-rat]

Four-hundred million people. There gets to be a point where putting 0's behind numbers becomes monotonous.

[@Thumbdumpandthebumpchump]

That whole thing is probably BS by the way. A lot of this video uses pretty out of date info honestly.

[@bflp311]

​@@slyseal2091 That extra 10% can potentially make more people in the long run

[@deltarno7502]

5:24 Background baby certainly agrees about how significant this is. Good video, and hello background baby!

[@Wi-Fi-El]

I'm American, but because of a single Indian ancestor in the 1600s, I can trace my family tree back to Chengis Khan

[@BorkDoggo]

Indian as in India?

[@theboogerbomb]

@@BorkDoggo what else would they mean?

[@KOCChristian]

@@theboogerbombWe American called our natives, “Indian”, cause “we dumb and can’t change”

[@BorkDoggo]

@theboogerbomb because if he means Native American (as most people in the US would mean if they said they had Indian ancestors from the 1600s) that would make no sense. Im sure he means India but you never know with some people online

[@Hypogean7]

You called them that because you initiañly thought you landed near India. ​@@KOCChristian

[@MistahFox]

Kicking Genghis Kahn in the balls as a kid to see what would happen in the future is the most chaotic response to what would you do if you had a time machine

[@Qaianna]

The best response is of course the Mongolian Temporal Empire ravaging its way through the timestream. I'm thinking in terms of Star Trek's 'Temporal Cold War' suddenly dealing with horse archers razing spacefaring cultures to the ground. And then stealing their technology.

[@Polish-Phoenician]

19:44 Grzegorz Brzęczyszczykiewicz jumpscare for the non-poles

[@Gefdragoon]

what does it mean btw?

[@АлексейТабаков-ы8в]

@@Gefdragoon It's a pseudonym of the main character in Polish comedy film How I Unleashed World War II probably (and probably is especially how ridicilous digraph counts can be in Polish language).

[@aminadabbrulle8252]

@@Gefdragoon Literally translates to "Gregory Buzzergrandson".

[@prestonjones1653]

The Polish language looks like somebody had a stroke and died on a keyboard.

[@mrhonkhonk6116]

"Greg orz Brechhhchszy chchch" -a german officer probably

[@samminden1058]

6:46 The Song did have a huge military that was superbly armed and technologically probably the most advanced militaries in the world at the time and the Song government spent around 50% of their annual budget on the military. However the Song Government had a really fun little tendency to constantly shoot itself in the foot when it was doing well (see the story of Yue Fei, who was executed due to factional rivalries while he was allegedly on the verge of crushing the Jurchen Jin and driving them back) or alternatively order military expeditions at the worst possible times that ended in failure, due to its factionalism and general (not unfounded) distrust of the military. The Song's success in a world without the Mongols to become more like the Tang would be through a mix of diplomacy and military power, because while they had plenty of skill in both they were really bad at using them together and usually the diplomats and generals were at odds over how things should be done (again, see Yue Fei).

[@rubaiyat300]

I do wonder if this era of China would finally get their act together if they managed to make it to the modern era. I doubt they kick off the Industrial Revolution but just don't collapse once again or barely hang on.

[@samminden1058]

@@rubaiyat300 so the Song basically was going through something of an industrial revolution with an iron and steel production that would not be reached by another country again till the end of the 18th century and beginning of the 19th century in Britain. Plus it was also a time of great technological innovation and interest in the Sciences, so who knows- perhaps they could have become like Industrial Revolution era Britain but in the 13th-14th century?

[@rubaiyat300]

Well there are hindrances to it and reasons it kicked off in Britain when it did, but definitely maybe. Really if China just doesn’t collapse every 2-3 hundred years i history would be different@@samminden1058

[@davidk.d.7591]

Yeah the Tang's fall was honestly the major reason why the Song became scared of the military. One one hand, their overly civilian government was a big part of their impressive family economic success, yet if they could've managed to actually use their military properly combined with their economic prowess and technological might, they have almost certainly dominated the Jin and the Mongols. They might have even industrialised and reformed the idea of a nation state. Heck, given the amount of freedom they allowed merchants, who knows if they could've formed capitalism. Ironic that a Chinese dynasty of a places could have potentially formed capitalism

[@samminden1058]

@@davidk.d.7591 oh yeah the Song are one of the biggest What Could Have Been dynasties in Chinese History.

[@jacksauce]

This topic ABSOLUTELY deserves a part 2!

[@RatedRMario21]

"If you want to reshape the world, just be really good at horseback riding and shooting arrows." I feel there's a Legend of Zelda joke in there somewhere

[@thederpypikachu9873]

I do just want to point out the comment about the library of alexandria - we didnt really loose that much. It was already declining in its use and a lot of the information was in other libraries already. Yes it was awful to lose it, but its not nearly as devastating as its always made out to be

[@abderrahmanesemar8609]

Thank you

[@woahdude5553]

he said that about baghdad too, apparently you weren't listening

[@ButzPunk]

premodernist has a great video debunking a lot of the mythology around the library of alexandria

[@thederpypikachu9873]

@woahdude5553 and apparently you're rude. I specifically talked about the library of Alexandria because I know more about it, both tbe exaggerated history and the likely actual history

[@Oldass_Deadass_dumbass_channel]

​@@woahdude5553who came in your cornflakes? Chill, my gamer.

[@HenryElfin]

It is unimaginable how influential he got to the world stage. Can't think of another person in the history of human civilization that can be equal or even close

[@TorvusVae]

"Cities you've never heard of" You underestimate my power

[@InquisitorThomas]

Yeah, I had a professor back in College who was born in the Soviet Union and his entire thing was studying the art and culture of Central Asia.

[@welporajackwelp4899]

I've been playing too much EU4 as the mongols to not know some of them.

[@maciejbala477]

heard of all of them, do i get a medal?

[@vincent_hall]

Who the hell hasn't heard of Samarkand?

[@vincent_hall]

​@@welporajackwelp4899 play Civ too. What's EU4?

[@michealsolas2735]

People go on and on about how disastrous the destruction of the Library of Alexandria was on scholarship, but when you consider that most of the books in the library were copied under order of Ptolmey and the copies were given to the owners (traders and anyone who came through Alexandria) and the originals were kept in the library (without the owners knowledge). So most of the books and scrolls there had copies circulating

[@RocketHarry865]

And they got lost anyway

[@RedLuigi235]

Georgia is one of the greatest cultures that could have been. An immense shame and what would have been a powerful representative of a language family so unlike all others

[@holakfun8243]

I love Atlanta but yeez

[@Cat_DeGaulle]

Not you​@@holakfun8243

[@benas_st]

@@holakfun8243My guy, Atlantis is just a myth

[@boganbane]

@@benas_st Atlanta, as in the capital of the US state Georgia, not the island myth started by Plato.

[@benas_st]

@@boganbane I can remember why I said this, but it was intended as a said joke lol sorry for any confusion!

[@lutomlinson1214]

Really can’t believe I’ve been watching your channel for nearly 10 years, I discovered your channel when I was 12?! And now I’m 21, truly an insane journey thank you for the dope history content!

[@nijadbahnam9859]

Genghis Khan was basically the Thanos of the middle ages.

[@saikyostudent4509]

Imagine if Jebe actually went for the head!

[@anvarjonmirzaliyev5147]

Not just middle ages but whole history

[@vincent_hall]

Thanos is the Ghengis/Chengis Khan of fantasy. Not sci-fi.

[@____Carnage____]

The history of the Mongol empire is just so fascinating to me. Yeah it’s a lot of bloodshed and conquering but the influence they had and the way they did things was just so unique. When they invaded people it always sounds like an alien invasion. I saw another comment in a different video mention that their threats were akin to the “resistance is futile” message aliens would send.

[@darissg]

"The great man effect is a pretty outda-" I JUST READ CRIME AND PUNISHMENT? HOW DID YOU KNOW? ARE YOU IN MY CLOSET???

[@batatanna]

Yes

[@MrAlsachti]

Yes, we are all there. There is not much space, to be honest.

[@____________838]

“It’s a living space”

[@BirdRaiserE]

"Will Cody ever come out of the closet with Tom Cruise?"

[@prestonjones1653]

He's in the walls... *grabs shotgun* HE'S IN THE DAMN WALLS!!!

[@naimishtiakahmed9221]

Erasing Genghis effects India drastically. No Mughals means no unified India but that doesn’t stop there. Tamerlane doesn’t exists so be never destroys the Delhi Sultanate. Which mean Jaunpur Sultanate never exists on this timeline. It could go either way with Gujarat. But if Gujarat Sultanate doesn’t exist than the Portuguese would never have to put up a long series of wars they did in our timeline. That changes everything.

[@FacterinoCommenterino]

Today's Fact: The 'Green Children of Woolpit' legend from the 12th century involves the discovery of two children with green skin in a Suffolk village, with no clear explanation for their origins.

[@Faehen]

​@millioistaken go away illnes

[@amhuman5138]

Sounds like average Suffolk to be quite honest.

[@whynot9873]

What up factorino. Weird seeing you on a non kripp vid

[@gerbill13]

they came from Saint Martin's Land.

[@thedarkholegammertdhg9255]

Roanoke Tales has a nice video on it

[@HeroNotFound05]

As someone with Georgian ancestry, would love to see a sequel to this about what if Georgia survived! I wholeheartedly support an individual video on each region hahaha!

[@chrish9698]

I feel that if you made one of these videos every week for an entire year you’d only have begun to scratch the surface of the ways in which Khan changed the world. Great video and fantastic research as always. This was a great topic and not to mention quite original as well.

[@Kyle-qd2sy]

Another interesting change. No Mongol Empire means no Tamerlane, no Tamerlane means possibly a large part of the Middle East and Central Asia remains Christian. For over a thousand years the Church of the East was spread across the Middle East, India, Central Asia and China. Tamerlane's brutal campaigns and the Black Death are seen as major causes for the collapse of the Church of the East. If the Mongol Empire had never been founded its not impossible a significant percentage of Asia would still follow the Church of the East instead of small remnant of Iraqi Assyrians and Indians in Kerala today.

[@muhammadpasha313]

Or another way it can be looked at is modern Iran would encompass modern countries up till Uzbekistan

[@BarlasofIndus]

​@@muhammadpasha313 Not really,unitedIran wouldn't even exist maybe ,the most likely outcome would be Iran would be in 3 main parts(Parthia in north, Faras(Persia) in south and Temugyan in the north(Tehran)

[@imnotkiddinggg]

me rediscovering this channel and binging it the past 3 days payed off well

[@googane7755]

11:40 really puts into perspective that even after all the centuries of successfully fighting off the byzantines, georgia and the numerous crusades, none of it even came close to just how devastating this one single battle was to the mongols. Man they were just on a completely different league

[@lerneanlion]

I guess this is the closest thing we can ever get about "What if Ymir Fritz left King Fritz gets assassinated" for sure.

[@FictionHubZA]

A lot of headaches could have been avoided if Ymir just ate the guy and made herself queen.

[@badart3204]

@@FictionHubZAsimping too hard to become a true girl boss

[@mr.o8539]

Rumbling! Rumbling! It is coming!

[@deltap6967]

​@@badart3204girlfailure

[@tejuyon160]

lol

[@chheinrich8486]

One of the most plausible and scarely impactful alternate histories

[@Sound557]

That description of Zheng was top notch 👌

[@FictionHubZA]

Ghengis Khan was really the main character of the world. 😂

[@Gwebb74]

Just a player choosing an OP nation and trying to beat the game before other nations reached a better technology. I.e Atilla, Genghis

[@davidk.d.7591]

He was what made the nation OP though​@@Gwebb74

[@anvarjonmirzaliyev5147]

Unfortunately The Devoloper chose him as a main charater of the last 1000 years !

[@GottfriedAlexander]

I love his backstory reviews before he gets into the alternate timeline

[@AMan-xz7tx]

The way I look at the "Great Man Theory" is that it is a misinterpretation of probability. There were a lot of "right place, right time" stories of heroes because those people had essentially won the lottery when it came to historical influence, if no one wins that lottery then the passage of time "prints more winning tickets and burns them all when the lottery is over". In that way you could say that historic events involving countless people are equivalent to everyone getting the "$5 prize" on their scratch ticket, meaning that it was already very likely and they had still won back double what they paid, but very few had been lucky enough to be remembered as individual figures even if the changes they made were of monumental significance.

[@gugfitufi4862]

3:44 sure bro, I'll check *insert link* out

[@fehervari98]

Wow, you went above and beyond with this vid! One of your best work so far!

[@moritamikamikara3879]

I think you're missing the point completely with regards to Japan. By the time the Yuan invasion of Japan happened, Japan was already too far gone down that road, Kublai just pushed them a little further down the road they were already going. At the time of the invasion, the Japanese government had split into two. It was what's now called the Kamakura period. After the Genpei war, the officially recognised Japanese government was still hanging around in Kyoto but they were so mired in bureacracy and ritual that they didn't really do a lot of ruling. Meanwhile the military shogunate ruled from the city of Kamakura. This was happening because of various clans squabbling over power, and when the Minamoto clan couldn't gain power over the imperial family, they created their own parallel royal family in Kamakura to give them power. After the founder of the Shogunate died, the Houjou clan tried to muscle in and declare themselves regent. You can see that this is rapidly spiralling out of control. No, Japan's slide towards militarism and isolationism was as a result of the feuding of Samurai clans, not outside influence. Also I think you're wrong with your assertion that the Mongols didn't end the Islamic golden age. Yes the Kingdoms of Islam were in a bad place anyway and would collapse, but I will maintain that had they done so, new ones would have risen and Islam would have recovered. What you got instead was a bunch of traumatised theocrats going "Oh god, if Allah can go into the console and type 'Spawn Mongol_horse_archer 100000' whenever we do something wrong, that means that there's nothing we can gain from the study of reality that Allah can just change" That severely stunted Islamic science. That is what ended the Islamic golden age.

[@Knoloaify]

This. I feel like in the Western world we tend to overestimate the impact of the Mongol Invasion of Japan. It did worsen the situation by creating more discontent among the samurai, but that was it. No Mongol invasion wouldn't have hurt the supremacy of the samurai, nor would it have made Japan more open (if anything, Japan was eager to trade with China, it's China that often closed itself to Japan).

[@lukaswilhelm9290]

Islamic golden age was already at its last years before Mongol invasion, with or without Mongol invasion the muslim world will staf the same just without Baghdad being destroyed 2 times.

[@Idoexist._.]

Simmilar but a reverse was within the rus. During the decentralization, economy rapidly started growing, and cities started fracturing even more. Without genghis russia could be more prosperous

[@Sarmad_1989]

Its always funny seeing Westerner's talking about Islamic history. A subject that they have absolutely no knowledge about.

[@moritamikamikara3879]

@@Sarmad_1989 Of course! Why it's impossible for a non Muslim to understand Islamic history!

[@MasterTangerines]

I've really noticed how much your history skills have improved over the years. Your perspectives and analysis are much more informed now and you still manage to make it entertaining. I really appreciated how you managed to throw in some lessons about how history is viewed and formed in this as well that a lot of people who don't study it at a college level never get taught. It's just really refreshing to see a very responsible and informed historian present history because there's too many people spreading conspiracies and nonsense nowadays.

[@jackdaly8908]

This is amazing you should definitely make this into a mini series, with an episode dedicated for each of those regions that were heavily affected by the Mongols.

[@stonedtowel]

This would be such a good premise for a hoi4 mod.

[@historylover8139]

16:09 No. The Kievan Rus by this point was way more feudal than in say 900s. Different principalities were inherited by others, not conquered. Had the mongols not invaded, I could see the rus being fragmented for a while, just like the HRE, before eventually one principality reunites it thanks to great diplomacy.¨ Also by 1206, there wasnt a strong Byzantium, so no, Byzantines wouldnt have influence on the rus.

[@RedeemedPaladin]

1206 byzantine with mongols and without them are different places

[@historylover8139]

@@RedeemedPaladinliterally no?

[@Lord_Of_Aether]

If they do unite without the Mongols, do you think they'll still conquer Siberia and the Caucasus? I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, but I suspect that if it does happen, they'll be slowed down by much stronger khanates and tribes, with their main advantage being access to European technology (which may not hold up to the Chinese technology which will doubtlessly still make its way north).

[@Ocelot835]

@@Lord_Of_Aether They still will outnumber them and giving the existing threat from nomads the slow push will eventually happen. So if there won't be strong competitor in conquest of Siberia like China or someone new from Central Asia, I don't see reasons how Rus potentially can be stopped all together.

[@pelinalwhitestrake3367]

It's still in the realm of possibility for Siberia to be colonized by Russians, for the same reason most of the world was colonized by Europeans.

[@the90thhunter92]

In Indonesia, the Mongols were indirectly responsible for aiding the nascent Raden Vijaya in defeating the remnants of Singasari and unifying much of Java; creating Indonesia's largest empire, Majapahit. Without the Majapahit Empire, I could see Islam taking hold far faster and the Hindu kingdoms disintegrating, perhaps there might be another Indonesian Empire but an Islamic one

[@Ya_Brotha_Bilo]

You have become on of my all time favorite channels thank you for the well made quality content

[@TaeSunWoo]

America’s Georgia: (breathes) Cody: “NOT YOUUU”

[@FreshToasted]

Fire vid as usual cody, keep up the great work 😊

[@danielwilliams4701]

The Byzantine Empire refered to as Roman cosplayers is hilarious 11:24

[@frfras7]

Yes because it’s wrong

[@frfras7]

Eastern fucking Roman Empire to you American

[@sergiowinter5383]

Rum (not related wit pirates) is also very good

[@dominicadrean2160]

I've been a subscriber for 10 years ever since I was 12 years old I'm 22 now😅 but I'm happy to see how far of you in your KZbin career😊

[@kcinrennat2606]

True dedication

[@tkelly6121]

destruction of the library of alexandria is generally not considered that big a loss due to it being in such horrible decay by the time it was burnt and that the majority of its books were either commonplace in other libraries or decayed already.

[@conserva-chan2735]

A vid on if the Sino-Soviet split never happened or was patched up in the 70s would be megakino

[@the_roman_emperor_fisheater]

nomad empires are like an update for stagnating empires

[@nightowlmystic9387]

The biggest change without the mongols are being the native people conquered by them as many artifacts and paintings like white pottery from China and combining it with blue dye from Iran wouldn’t have existed. Simply these paintings and artifacts wouldn’t have been merged from different cultures. For the Mongols on their part, their only legacy was conquering and being a massive empire. The mongols never invented new technologies or written any books or try to spread their language. They simply conquered and assimilated.

[@mimorisenpai8540]

And Chinese style painting will never spread to middle east not for mongol invasion

[@bobjones2959]

I mean if the figures about the Mongols killing 70-90% of the Persian population of central Asia are correct that's one hell of a massive butterfly theory change. Those cities being more prosperous would've certainly affected things, and any number of those killed could've contributed to the world in their own way. Same story in eastern Europe, what if the power dynamic had never shifted away from the Kievan Rus? Same in China, what if the Mongols had never established their own dynasty there?

[@texasred5665]

I don't think Caesar counts. The republic was incredibly dysfunctional already. Look at Sulla. Cicero even worried that no matter the outcome of the first civil war, rome would be left with a king in all but name.

[@matthewlentz2894]

No Ceasar, no Gallic Wars. So the Celts remain independent (?).

[@RipOffProductionsLLC]

Sure, but Caesar did shift how and when the Republic's collapse happened. His name became a title for a reason.

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

​@@matthewlentz2894The only thing that would change is the name of their conqueror.

[@Wendeta-hq2cp]

​@@thespanishinquisition4078 Yeah but the conquest would have taken longer. Britania might have never been slapped by Rome. Nor would Germania would have been as influenced. Christianity might have become more violent, like I$l@m was.

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

@@Wendeta-hq2cp I think you misunderstand just how long Rome lasted and how much manpower it had. Or just how quick the Gaelic campaign was. By comparison, Augustus spent a larger amount of time (10 years vs 7) and a larger pool of manpower finishing the conquest of Iberia by finally taking over the Cantabrians. And that campaign was just for what in the modern day is Asturias and Cantabria, as in 2 small provinces on Spain's northern coast. Those guys put more of a fight than the Gauls. Had Caesar not been there... Rome might've needed to send reinforcements I guess? It might have taken a couple extra years? Ok. They could easily over twice the soldiers they sent and were already used to longer campaigns. If anything the Gauls were abnormally easy to beat. No it wouldn't have affected the larger politics of Germania and Albion. At all.

[@Pardisc13895]

As an iranian I got to say we use the word Mongol as a synonyme for barbarian/savage sorry if it feels mean but they could have not decimated almost all the population :)

[@hiimryan2388]

Same for Chinese. The term for nonsense is litterally called “language of the hu” which is the pretty much a catch all term for northern nomads

[@James_new]

Ouch

[@vingaxoc6543]

This video deserves a part 2

[@pancreasnowork9939]

Genghis Khan reads like someone min maxing a Paradox game on their 500th playthrough of it

[@kevincronk7981]

Hungary already massively altered Europe (they raided literally everything everywhere and beat the HRE multiple times), and was continuing to rise in power until all of a sudden it just got yeeted and eventually ended up as a subject of the austrians, who hungary had previously conquered. I so would want a video about if that didn't happen.

[@mimorisenpai8540]

Well magyar stop raid Europe because they got defeated by Frankish army and decided to settled and convert to Christianity

[@maciejbala477]

@@mimorisenpai8540 yeah the Magyar hordes and later Kingdom of Hungary are completely different and hundeds of years apart

[@davidzolcer4848]

Actually in a way The Kingdom of (Greater) Hungary - which is cery different from modern day Hungary - did recover to a degree in later decades and century. Bela IV invited German and Italian colonizers and they revamoed the agriculture and the mining especially in modern day Slovakia and a few of their mining cities are now UNESCO heritage sites in Slovakia. Afterwards the Anjou Dynasty with Charles Robert and his son Louis the Great made the Kingdom of Hungary a super power while France and England were fighting the 100 years wae and of course Matthias Corvinus was later the scourge of his enemies. However another expansionist empire from West Asia this time ruined the Kungdom Hungary. More specifically 1526 at the Battle of Mohacs the Ottomans

[@MsRmart999]

You being part Canadian makes so much sense, that's why you look like the Canadian guys from South Park

[@Markomilic205]

13:50 The only Norse people in Russia were members of the ruling dynasty but only in name. The rest of the people were Slavs.

[@maciejbala477]

yeah, i feel like the Norse influence was overestimated here. It's like saying that Spain was descended from the Visigoths. Kind of, but also they just ended up adapting to the local culture

[@Markomilic205]

@@maciejbala477 Exactly, and they did more than adapting because Spanish is so much similar to Latin than French or english

[@Holy_Cup]

It wasn't russia. It was Rus'. Which is different. russia started to exist when Rus' seized to exist in unified form.

[@Markomilic205]

@@Holy_Cup Its the same thing. Same dynasty same religion same language.

[@Holy_Cup]

@@Markomilic205 1) Dynasty of Romanovs ended in 1730. 2) Also wrong. russia had very different Christianity before inviting Ukrainian clergy in XVII-XVIII century. 3) No, russian language has much more in common with old-bolgar(church-slavic) language than with language spoken in Rus'. russian language abd culture emerged after fall of Rus' by interaction of slavic elite and finno ugr people

[@Wolfman6999]

It’s good to know that Cody and I both recently listened to Hardcore History’s Wrath of the Khans series.

[@simonnachreiner8380]

Interesting to note Genghis only had less than ten kids who survived to adult hood. Which for the time is REALLY low. It's just the kids went on to inherit his massive empire and resources and proceeded to sow enough oats that all of the Eastern world is still enjoying the bounty.

[@mimorisenpai8540]

And his eldest son paternity is questionable

[@ZontarDow]

It's amazing how Khan had somewhere between 200 and 300 kids yet he has as many descendants today as Charlemagne who had 10.

[@akai4942]

Charlie has way more. Every single person of european heritage has a bit of him, and that includes people in the americas.

[@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing]

@@akai4942 I think it's taken on more mythical status than is true, both through folklore that doesn't condemn genocidal rapeslaving every 13 year old prisoner thrown at his feet, and the tendency of all things on the Internet to get Super Saiyan'd to not-really-mathematically-possible proportions. By sheer probability and period hygiene alone, STDs would have put a halt to that much dirty dog impregnatin'

[@petersmythe6462]

"which doesn't even include the black plague" "Which doesn't even include the destabilization of European feudalism" "Which doesn't even include the Spanish colonization of the new world" "which doesn't even include the sread of Western diseases to the new world" "Which doesn't even include the slave trade." "Which doesn't even include European industrialization." "which doesn't even include the scramble for Africa." "Which doesn't even include WWI." "Which doesn't even include WWII." Nice going Ghengis.

[@thebordoshow]

As a Georgian this is the timeline we most dream of! The never ending Golden age, taking our place as the protectorate of all Christians in western Asia! But alas. What's even more sad, is that we managed to reamerge after the break of Mongol empire, starting the short lived silver age, but then Timur the Lame came and declared Jihad on all Georgians and other Christians in Caucasus, campaigning 8 times, loosing first few but winning through sheer numbers. P.s. It's king Tamar, she was our king and the main ruller. We don't have gendered language.

[@Snp2024]

I think for india things would change in sense that with decline of Delhi (jaunpur, bahmanis , malwa , gujrat, kutch ... Other 30 states declared independence from decaying Delhi sultanate) sone governors started their own muslim Dynasty which made them prey to Rising Rajputana forces (except bahmanis) Rajput under mewar 2 times rose and conquered back rajasthan and central india 2 times . Ironically one of reason they did it fast was bcz they realised one of reason they lost to invading afgni-turkic forces bcz of their better horses and they bred one of best indian horses for generations . When Delhi sultanate was collapsing. Rana defeated sultans of gujrat, malwa ,delhi and some small hindu city states and reached it zenith . Only to loose to babur cannons even then most of Rajputana was free from Mughals but rana was assinated by his own nobels (just like his father rana khumba who ironically also defeated gujurat, malwa and delhi sultanates and those same city states lol) . So without babur in north rajputs will be biggest power and sun sets on delhi ,in south Vijayanagar empire under Raja Krishna devraya and deccan under bahamanis and east under bengal sultanate. Without some other outside force i doubt these border will change for atleast few decades and may end up being unending skirmishes (like under umyaad and bordering Grujara prathiara empire) . So regional identies would be even more entrenched.

[@Snp2024]

Also both times Rajputs were loose confederation united under mewar(1st Rana khumba and second time under his grandson Rana sangha ) so there will be power struggle between them 100% . Also fun fact one of reason of why Mughlas declined in only 20 year's after reaching it's most powerful state under Aurangzeb was bcz he started 30 years long war with rajputs which they won it started bcz he wanted to put a muslim on throne of mewar (one of rajput state) Escape of rajputs last heir(literal baby) under one of last general is legendary in itself. It's insane that boy survived that long . I genuinely wanna see this incidents on tv series.

[@jdlburg938]

I've been waiting for a Mongol video. You did good with this, kid.

[@realshlawg]

Around 3:52 you hear a cat or cats meowing in the background how cute

[@Mathguy363]

The butterfly effect is pretty real in this scenario

[@Fornacis69]

You forgot about the Volga bulgars who were wiped from existence by Genghis and the cumans who were forced to flee the steppes but great video 👍

[@27Games23]

Cody, I’m Canadian-American and I find it hilarious how you have lineage to the great moose up north.

[@stormragin]

In my past research on Genghis Khan, I discovered that his religion of choice was Tengrism. Really fascinating stuff, that's actually been starting to have a resurgence in recent years particularly in Kazakhstan and parts of Russia.

[@nondescriptnorbert]

Something not touched upon in the video presumably for time reasons. Before falling to the Mongols the Song Empire in China is debated by some historians to have reached "proto-industrialization". Paper currency had been for the first time in history introduced, and puesdo-capitalistic cottage industries were popping up around the country. The Song were also a golden age of Chinese invention and scientific discovery inventing mechanical clocks, printing presses, firearms, and compasses. Their was even some use of natural gas pipelines for heating. Obviously things could have still gone south but if the Mongols hadn't invaded and the Song had reconquered the Jin and gotten their act together, it's entirely possible The Industrial Revolution could have started in China, five centuries before it did in Europe.

[@hiimryan2388]

I’m just gonna add on, these technological advancements really only happened during the northern song dynasty as after the conquest of the Jin the song just straight up don’t have the stuff needed for advancements. More over its highly doubtful that the song could reconsider their northern provinces as they lacked cavalry to a detrimental amount

[@davidzolcer4848]

A separate video on Bela IV and the Kingdom of Hungary sounds like an awesome idea.

[@v.emiltheii-nd.8094]

The only badasss guy whose surname was included in both Star Trek and Mortal Kombat.

[@InquisitorThomas]

Khan isn’t a Surname, it’s a title and has been around way before Genghis was.

[@spencerabdo5144]

5:24 The kiddo screaming in the background. I forgot you’re a dad.

[@Knoloaify]

I think you're wrong on Japan. By the time of the Mongol Invasion, Japan was already firmly in the hands of the samurai since the Genpei War. The Mongol Invasion didn't change that, it only created more instability by creating discontent (which fueled later wars, but they were bound to happen at some point anyway). The biggest consequence would probably be that Japan would skip the Kenmu Restoration, meaning the Hojo would maybe stay in power a little bit longer. Also Japan wouldn't have been more "open". Its relationship with China was always one of trade/closing, with Japan being eager to trade with China to get their hands on luxury Chinese goods and Chinese coins, only for China to stop trading with Japan much later (which is why the Shimazu eventually conquered the Ryukyu Kingdom). In fact, the Japanese were so eager to trade with China that they kept trading with the Yuan Dynasty even after the two invasion attempts! (if anything, it's the Yuan Dynasty who hurt that trading relationship by "punishing" Japan with high tariffs)

[@josephupchurch7138]

It's amazing, Cody. In a twenty minute video, you caught me up on a chunk of World history my teacher glanced over when I was in high school, over twenty years ago. Thanks, man! 🤙

[@mattiasbrunzell8957]

As a teacher myself I can say we barely have time to go through the most basic mainstream history, let alone go into details on all conceivable eras of mankind. Cut your teacher some slack.

[@orangesilver8]

Most people born over 800 years ago have millions of descendants. It's just basic math. What's special is the patrilineal descendants. Which I don't remember. But it's also important to add that it wasn't just Temujin himself, but also his descendants that were emperors of China, emperors of lots of places really.

[@crossfire7474]

Your announcement on Discord surely is fun. And speaking of supporting you, I hope others will buy your book though.

[@perturbedbatman2009]

Without Genghis Khan, there’s no Ottoman Empire. Without the Ottoman Empire, European nations don’t have to look for alternate routes to India. Without that, the American continent isn’t discovered, at least nowhere near as quickly.

[@True-Neo-Chaos]

Oh god if the europeans arrive there later and do the same we may see a way more unfair battle than what already happened

[@vincent_hall]

No European discovery* of Americas? Hmm, not sure. So many variables. But Constantinople doesn't fall. Good times. *Discovery for Europe, not all humans.

[@natekaufman1982]

Not necessarily. What Portugal really hated was the insane markup that the Venetians and their *Mamluk trading partners* imposed on spices. Portugal would still try to reach India. Even if Columbus's 1492 voyage of Columbus is blinked out of existence, Cabral will still discover the Americas in 1500 regardless because Cabral arrived in South America *by accident.*

[@orangegalen]

Can’t remember who said it, probably OverlySarcasticProductions, but it’s so fascinating that for a good portion of Eurasia there’s a point in their history that goes “And then the Mongols showed up.”

[@rimfire8217]

Hell Yeah, Mongolia I did my college finale on the Mongol Empire. They refused to accept it or give me credit for the class since I "failed" to fill out this one form. After that, I cut my loses and Dropped out. But I'm still really glad I took that class because the Mongols are really cool.

[@mehmetsahsert3284]

Its bold of you to assume just cus ottomans doesnt exist constantinople wont fall, if anything, the absence of genghis would mean sultanate of rum would rein unopposed in anatolia and would very well seek to expand their nation to perhaps become an empire, and they would do its earlier than ottomans did. Ottomans had a major defeat and a interregnum till they took constantinople, sultanate of rum, a well established state, would have none of those problems.

[@AlexTonar]

LING LIVE KHAN (please come to Australia)

[@misiekfid]

my man loves conflict

[@farahcakeden]

Hope news is good

[@Cat_DeGaulle]

As a person who loves learning about history, jengis kahn is the person who has traumatized me the most.

[@Metamarble]

If anything this video may be an understatement. I believe there are good arguments that the damage the Mongols caused opened the door to the rise of Western European hegemony in the long term.

[@francogiobbimontesanti3826]

Song dynasty was in the early stages of industrialisation back in the 1100s if they expelled the Jin, China would go right back into a golden age. Arguably the mongols set the world back 600 years or so.

[@ptolemythefirst4621]

Nah it was long in the making, even without the Mongols Western Europe would flourish and be in a better position (depending on the black death's effects upon the region) and the Islamic world is still going to enter into decline no matter what happens, the Abbasids are still getting destroyed by other nomadic conquerors, Persians, etc.. and by the mid 1200s it was in fact prospering in every aspect - politically, economically, culturally, scientifically, demographically. I think we would still see a Western-dominated world but with far stronger nations in regions like Eastern Europe, East Asia, the Middle East (really depends), etc..

[@sappholopod4829]

This is a much more interesting scenario than the "what if Hitler died as a baby?" one that so many people like to speculate on, because in this case a lot of things genuinely did rest on one specific person. With the Nazis, Hitler was largely just the guy put in charge; removing him wouldn't have done much to stop Germany from steamrolling into genocide. With the Mongol Empire, though? The whole thing is such a camel through a needle's eye that it almost definitely wouldn't have happened, at least not to anywhere near the same extent, if this one guy wasn't in the picture.

[@RegeDop23]

fun fact: the mongols also spread their cuisine around the lands they conquered, and they evolved over time into their own different foods. so, without the mongol empire, the world would be without tartare, samosas, pierogis, and even baklava! (the last one is a bit of a debate)

[@maciejbala477]

i did read that dumplings are potentially all of asian origin, but never saw it presented as fact