Am I ACCIDENTALLY Becoming a Trad? w/ Fr. Jason Charron

[@Carlos101010101]

"Tradition saves us from being slaves to novelty." Reminds me of Chesterton's observation, "The Catholic Church is the only thing that saves a man from the degrading slavery of being a child of his age."

[@Anyone690]

Yea facts. He’s right

[@christopherfleming7505]

Before the Second Vatican Council the two were more or less synonymous, because then ALL catholics were traditional.

[@bijogeojose7209]

@@christopherfleming7505 It's ironic that the Second Vatican Council urged the Eastern Catholic churches to be faithful to their authentic traditions, but it changed the ways of the Roman church.

[@ultimateoriginalgod]

@@christopherfleming7505 No, the divide just didn't have liturgy as an obvious marker. There was still massive liturgical corruption back then as well

[@TracyW-me8br]

Facts

[@jadei6992]

The Traditional Latin Mass is wonderful

[@JohnCampbell5650]

Just like the NO it is a miracle.

[@bijogeojose7209]

@@JohnCampbell5650 A solemnly celebrated NO is a miracle. Not much of a miracle when dance is involved.

[@bijogeojose7209]

@@Kitiwake There were such masses before (kzbin.info/www/bejne/qKOQgmmljrOElc0), although they've reduced in numbers now. The NO is very solemn in it's nature ( Novus Ordo at John Cantius - kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZTKpJ9nm81koas) just like the Traditional Latin Mass, where the people and the priest face the Lord on the cross together and pray in the universal language of the Roman church, the same way which was prayed by great saints like St. Padre Pio, St. Antony, and St. John Maria Vianney.

[@jonathansoko5368]

Matt deleted everyone of my comments

[@caro1ns]

@@Kitiwake He is facing God. That’s where I want him facing. He’s interceding for me.

[@heatherbonifas1110]

Tradition keeps us from being slaves to the new.. I love this!

[@simonbelmont1986]

agreed! a slave to modernism or progressivism means always chasing after the lastest things. when nothing is new under the sun. eccl. 1:9

[@knguyen6061]

Is traditional latin Mass more reverent ? Stop saying it is so Good article "on the subject : The way we talk about the liturgy matters, and to describe something as “irreverent” assumes a level of malicious intent on the part of worshipers that other terms do not. The word reverence means deep respect. Reverence is much more closely related to intentionality than to a particular ritual; it has more to do with one’s attitude than one’s attire. It also is deeply intertwined with how a particular ritual or liturgy inspires us to treat others, especially others whose preferences or values are different from our own A reverent liturgy should be within the guidelines the church offers, and it should encourage those in attendance to participate humbly, intentionally, respectfully and with gratitude as they strive to move closer to God. Too often, the descriptions of the Latin Mass as “more reverent” cite liturgical attributes that are inspired by European aesthetics and the sensibilities of overwhelmingly white congregations. By default, labeling the Latin Mass as “more” reverent-rather than one source of reverence for an individual Catholic or a group of us-diminishes the real sense of reverence present in our global church. The deep respect that reverence requires can be displayed in many ways. And it should be displayed in its diversity if we are to live out the universal nature of Catholicism. A community singing and clapping to hymns in Rwanda or Catholics in the Gospel choir praising God in a Mass in Harlem or suburban Catholics belting out a St. Louis Jesuits song are not inherently “less”-or more-reverent than Catholics attending the Latin Mass

[@gda1236]

This is excellent - thank you! “A Catholic is a person who has plucked up courage to face the incredible and inconceivable idea that something else may be wiser than he is.” G. K. Chesterton.

[@sebastianofmilan]

Amen to that.

[@Strive1974]

Amen

[@paxvobiscum9859]

"Traditions are the answers that have been discovered to enduring questions." ~ Sir Roger Scruton

[@RicardoReyes]

I just served a Requiem Mass, High Latin Mass. Nothing compares to the deep traditional liturgy handed down to us by the Tradition of the church.

[@thebamboozlerette1824]

The Traditional Mass has been the stability in my life. I love it so deeply.

[@zorob5]

I didn't have a choice NO parishes closed and the latin parish stayed open(with ok from bishop). I'll stay with them.

[@AJ-ox8xy]

Yes. Join the side of tradition and unlock the additional 1900 years of the faith that's been kept from you.

[@inquiringmind3306]

The “banks” of tradition. Wow! So good! Currently in RCIA and from the Southern Baptist background. Eagerly awaiting Easter.

[@paulao.8378]

Welcome home!

[@chanellergful]

I was in your very shoes Easter 2007. It has been a beautiful journey. Welcome home.

[@inquiringmind3306]

@@chanellergful thank you!

[@inquiringmind3306]

@@paulao.8378 thank you!

[@everydaycatholic8030]

Welcome home! I remember waiting so enthusiastically for Easter Vigil last year when I came into the Church. I’m so happy we get to be in the fullness of the truth together!

[@MW-he4cp]

I briefly attended a byzantine Catholic church this year, while out of state, and I love that the liturgy is constantly asking for God's mercy. The prayers were specific (like asking God to protect the military, or sea farers, or government officials, etc). Exorcists have said that being very specific in prayer is important.

[@nicholasfevelo3041]

I have never seen cool Catholics before. I was raised Roman Catholic and want to return after passing through atheism. Jesus saved us from the abyss.

[@sophiapostma4057]

Two years ago I never thought I'd consider myself a trad. I didn't at all like the idea of going to the tlm because I thought I wouldn't be able to understand. I highly disliked the idea of wearing a chapel veil because it was "too feminine". Well here I am, loving the tlm, and genuinely looking forward to mass every Sunday. I also started wearing a chapel veil two Sundays ago, and it just feels right to me. God works in mysterious ways, that's for sure!

[@AJ-ox8xy]

That's wonderful to hear.

[@Milkpaw]

You can also wear a scarf or kerchief -- I often don't wear lace veils.

[@irishmclass2042]

I prayed during RCIA about wearing a veil. I only told the RCIA instructor that I genuinely felt led to veil my head beginning with my Confirmation and Acceptance into the Roman Catholic faith. It absolutely is not to draw attention, but is absolutely an humbling of my soul with complete reverence to Jesus and the Blessed Mother of God.

[@PedroAntonioLea-PlazaPuig]

Brave!

[@patriciabyrne5089]

Women wearing the veil are saying I am unclean and must cover my shame. It is going backwards not moving forward. Latin Mass advocates want a return to the 1950's

[@kellendobmeier9876]

Traditions in the Church, especially those not practiced everywhere anymore, bring an obvious reverence to the Mass. Liking older practices (Latin Mass, ad orientem, etc.) is nothing to be wary of.

[@jonathansoko5368]

you're aware that the Latin mass of today is not the Latin mass of old and it's night unrecognizable to the ancient form? Most people don't even realize what they are doing or defending

[@jonathansoko5368]

@@saintsm that's not true, at all

[@nicoleyoshihara4011]

I want to start attending Traditional Latin mass. It's so wonderful. I love Latin ^_^❤

[@rolandovelasquez135]

Saying Mass in a language nobody understands. That never would have occurred to me. Great idea! 😎

[@nicoleyoshihara4011]

@@rolandovelasquez135 It's so beautiful because the Latin mass counts as the universal language bringing the world together. I love Latin. I hope to start attending tlm mass regularly in the new year🤗❤💕

[@mtregi]

Say it in Latin. Then they can’t criticize whether it’s sounds heartfelt or not.

[@AJ-ox8xy]

That is a great Idea. Pax tecum!

[@choppy1356]

Latin: the magic language that enables God to hear our prayers.

[@jonathansoko5368]

@@choppy1356 I'm very traditional but it does boggle my mind how so e of my brothers here idolize latin. They say they don't but they do.

[@JohnCampbell5650]

@@choppy1356 what a strange conception of God you have. God’s language seems to have been Hebrew mostly and primarily, with a nudge of Aramaic - at least if Scriptures are to be taken into account. Then the NT authors wrote in Greek. I would hesitate to suggest God only started hearing prayers around the fourth century, with Jerome’s Vulgate. Latin sounds good, for sure, but there is nothing magic about it. The heart of the believer is what matters; not the language in which a prayer is formulated.

[@markodebevec6071]

@@JohnCampbell5650 You have it wrong. Jesus spoke Aramaic but taught and read Scripture in Hebrew - because the Jews of the time also had a sacred language. The official language of the Church is Latin, as taught by Pope St. Pius X and there are three sacred languages according to the teaching of the Church - Latin, Greek and Hebrew. The Fathers believed so because these three were written above The Lord's head on the cross. Hence, praying in Latin is helpful and superior, all other factors being equal. This is also the consensus of the saints.

[@hermajesty2174]

From a questioning Protestant: it was the realization of the value of tradition that started me on this intellectual/spiritual journey 4 years ago. Tradition also provides a bulwark for us to lean upon when life inevitably becomes too much for our cognitive capacity in a given moment, because there is always something to fall back on that can be both heartfelt *or* rote. Rote and ritual that keep us grounded in reality are invaluable when lifes storms come. If you don't have tradition you the individual have to be the one coming up with all the different ways to handle the curveballs, and that can lead to burnout in all sorts of areas *very* quickly. Quite practically, tradition saves us from having to do some of that legwork, which allows our spirit the space it needs to do whatever God requires. Sometimes it has been all I can do to come up with the words to pray. If, however, I have the Lord's prayer before me, I don't need to do that, and my soul can simply meditate on the words and God's grace. It seems to me that there is value enough in that alone.

[@stephenchelius7461]

Amen amen! If I might ask, what are you still questioning? I am a former protestant myself.

[@josephtravers777]

Luther ditched 1500 years of theological study to justify himself and started a revolution. He could have very well become a deacon, married and still remain in the religious order. Why didn't he? That is the question.

[@paulthiele3102]

Re. Luther: because the Catholic Church at the time ignored his justified concerns about indulgences. For the record, Luther didn’t leave the Catholic Church; he was excommunicated. But he had the conviction to stick to his guns.

[@josephtravers777]

@@paulthiele3102He also had a problem with habitual sin and felt a need to be justified before the Lord in his role as a priest. Yes, the Church needed reform from corruption at that time but not division.

[@hermajesty2174]

@@stephenchelius7461 Not at all! I am still in the beginning weighing-the-evidence stage. Having been raised in very anti-Cathopic waters, it wasn't even a category of thought until I discovered Trent Horn. I have heard some very compelling arguments for many Catholic doctrines. But just because an argument can be made, does not mean it's the best one. It's become pretty clear to me that most of the anti-Catholic rhetoric I heard was attacking straw men. I'm keen to find Protestant sources who aren't attacking straw men, to see where the weight of evidence actually stands. At the moment, it seems that the Church has the upper hand philosophically, and that could mean that Protestantism doesn't have the rigour there, or it could mean that I've simply not found it, I don't know yet. I am currently reading Trent Horn's Case for Catholicism, as well as Tim Staples Behold Your Mother, since those are the biggest question marks for me. Purgatory, and specifically indulgences are probably the most iffy thing for me though.

[@elizabethm2890]

I never liked "trads" but after attending the TLM I'm finding myself defending it to people who hate on it and now I accidentally talked myself into liking it way more than the NO 😂

[@Darth_Vader258]

I would *LOVE* to ATTEND a Traditional Latin Mass.

[@josephtravers777]

The recent divisiveness in the Church is rather bizarre, in that some embrace radically Traditional concepts, while others embrace radical Charismatic ones, while some attempt to bind the two. 😳 I believe the Catechism is the most well rounded text brought forth from the Church to address this. Any extreme concept is dangerous. The traditions of the Church are very rich and beautiful when approached in the proper manner but it cannot become legalistic. By the same token, charisms cannot be conjured or become Gnostic viewpoints like we see in some denominations. Again, the Catechism strikes a balance between the two and has helped me tremendously to understand. God Bless

[@Tom-zc9gs]

Yeah, in respecting tradition we must not become slaves to the idea that only form inherently carries meaning and that any attempt in developing that form in different ways, even if done with a meaningful and coherent purpose, can lead us astray. I do actually believe some so called "rad trads" enjoy giving formality all of the importance, while the "libs" want to cut it all away and move towards total relativity. Extremes, that's what they are. The Church in its history constantly shifts between need for reform and preservation of its core tenets and rituals. I've attended Novus Ordo masses blessed with the respect of tradition and ancient music, and the absence of liturgical latin didn't make them any less sacred. In conclusion, the Catechism should be taught and cited more often when dealing with many of these issues :)

[@irishandscottish1829]

@@Tom-zc9gs that is the problem, I’ve lost count on how many ‘rad trads’ have said I’m condemned to hell for not solely going to TLM! When I’ve told people there is only TLM twice monthly near me (2 hour round trip) then the next closest is a 9 hour round trip I’ve had rad trads tell me I should do the 9 hour round trip of accept I’m going to hell! I’ve had ‘rad trads’ say I’m “not a real Catholic” and I’ve even had ‘rad trads’ say that my teenage son who is unsure if he is being called to the Priesthood “wouldn’t be a real Priest if he isn’t like them”.... Taylor Marshall’s channel is horrific for that kind of talk from ‘rad trads’ and the more I hear that sort of talk from so many the less I want to associate with any of them! I fully agree the traditions of the Catholic Faith are beautiful, need to be kept and need to be used more widely HOWEVER going ‘rad trad’ is not the way

[@Tom-zc9gs]

@@irishandscottish1829 what you've experienced is pharisaical thought, that only by following forms and rituals of an identitarian group you will find salvation. That's not what the Gospels are about. Jesus fought this kind of thinking the whole time, nobody putting form over substance can claim to be absolutely in the right, like the pharisees when asked to cast the first stone. This is not an interpretation, it's Church teaching. I will always be wary of those who say "We are the true Church". If you're the true Church, your most important mission is to submit to Christ and God's will, not impose your own on others. Again, the Gospels are pretty clear on this issue. There should be dialogue, not infighting and conspiracy thinking inside the Church. We have enough enemies already from outside, how can the message of Christ be brought to the world if we start thinking and fighting between ourselves like in worldly ideologies?

[@francoisdufour4665]

As a Quebecer, I'm very happy about the analogy you've made Matt!

[@bobseehafer5414]

I hope this great channel doesn’t become another Trad channel. I grew up with both versions of the mass and love both.

[@carolinacequini8327]

I grew up in Latin America with a normal mass and I much prefer that one instead of the Latin Mass (since I don't speak any Latin to begin with lol). First time I saw a "Latin Mass" in my church bulletin here in the US I thought it meant "Latina" mass and expected it to be in Spanish or Portuguese. Needless to say I was very confused when the mass started xD

[@laurielewis2745]

What do you mean by another trad channel?

[@janettedavis6627]

@@carolinacequini8327 The Mass is not what you like It is what the Jews that were with Jesus passed over as the Jewish Passover Prayers said in the Temple in Jerusalem that Jesus attended with His Apostles on the night He was betrayed are in the Latin Mass.

[@Darth_Vader258]

@@carolinacequini8327 I don't know Latin also since I'm a Filipino 🇵🇭.

[@knguyen6061]

@@Darth_Vader258 If you don't know Latin you are truly on THE DARK SIDE! 🙄😇😜💭

[@Speakers154]

Is no one going to comment on how unusual it is to see a priest puffing on a havana like they are discussing a drugs deal? haha. :) Great points. I became a trad this year having spent 30 years cringing through every new novelty: every one of which I felt was irreverent and contradicted centuries of tradition.

[@AJanae.]

Not at all! It’s so human it’s great. My fiancé’s best friend is good friends with his priest and they’ve smoked cigars together, have very good talks during that time :)

[@canuck21]

@@AJanae. It’s not great at all.

[@aimeearnold9086]

I agree -- unusual and really distracting! LOL

[@michellemorrissey4235]

It IS distracting.🙄 I wish they could save the cigars for after the interview.

[@kerrynevins3823]

Let’s be Tradismatic as Dr. Hahn says

[@mongooseman3744]

@@Marcelo-sc3mp it’s a combination of traditional and charismatic, so having both the order of tradition with also the charisma of new life

[@josephtravers777]

@@mongooseman3744 The early Church was charismatic. It was lost in 'tradition'.

[@FFunez]

I agree.

[@pipsasqeak820]

@@josephtravers777 Some logic there

[@RomanusVII]

@@josephtravers777 “Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.” 2 Thessalonians 2:15

[@dgathome4345]

My grandmother, who was a Byzantine Catholic prayed the rosary.

[@andiv3387]

She must be a member of the Byzantine Rite Eastern Catholic Church which is in full communion with the papacy of Rome

[@dgathome4345]

@@andiv3387 yes, she was.

[@weallhaveanopinion]

I'm a Maronite which is similar to the Byzantine. We also pray the rosary.

[@jhelman0013]

Hola peregrino. Buen Camino!

[@dgathome4345]

@@jhelman0013 Buen Camino!

[@crystalhowley4259]

"Tradition frees us from the slavery of novelty"!! Love it. God bless our Holy Catholic Apostalic Church. Christus Vincit!

[@mayormccheese6171]

One of the main draw cards for me to catholic/orthodox church is that sense of tradition and timelessness. As if I am a part of an ancient society of spirituality. At the risk of being misunderstood, there's something very otherworldly, sort of dungeons & dragons about it. Just sitting around in a circle with a pastor in sandals signing along with his acoustic guitar feels so feeble in comparison.

[@patriciajohnson1894]

I'm right down the middle. I embrace the beauty, the history, the foundation of tradition. I also find what's good in the NO, there are priests that embrace beautifully and reverently without the trimmings. Yes I find the trimmings and overtly trying to make prayers more solemn with the emphasis on words...

[@JP2GiannaT]

Dude...cigars, Lord of the Rings, strong liturgical preference for "old school"....you've been "traddie" for quite some time.

[@aclark903]

Can't cigars still give us cancer?

[@Zematus737]

I'm not a trad, but I do like the first two.

[@Cathologia]

I hate that “Trad” is becoming synonymous with “Rad Trad”. It paints Traditionalists that aren’t on this Vatican II-questioning, “Novus Ordo”-trashing, Francis-hating bandwagon in a bad light. It does a great disservice to a lot of amazing Catholic theologians, including many great Popes of the past. The “internet trad” fad is eclipsing actual tradition, and with it problems within the Church that are of far greater consequence than what version of the Roman Rite of the Mass you like.

[@MrJustintreat]

Well said, the world tried to separate and label us, we can't let that happen within the Church.

[@awateredgarden]

Such a good observation.

[@Cathologia]

@Rachel James that’s exactly what it is. The internet has made spreading all kinds of noxious nonsense about the Pope a hip new fad. The fact you had to resort to the long winded “demonic idols” nonsense. Please.

[@watermelontreeofknowledge8682]

I feel that the rad trad thing is just a straw man argument heterodox Novus Ordo Catholics use to bash them on style just so that the heterodox don’t have to face the theological realities of tradition.

[@Cathologia]

@@OrthoLou it’s more than “acknowledging the destruction of Francis” (which I don’t believe is a thing) and you know that. To claim so is just being disingenuous. The numbers don’t lie, but they don’t reflect the entire picture either. Where the Church has struggled recently in other areas it has improved in others (for example, outside of countries like the US and Europe the Church is growing, ironically for you in “Novus Ordo” Churches and not TLM communities). Mass attendance, vocations, and marriages within the Church were plummeting before Vatican II and, by and large, were more than likely the result of the western world being bludgeoned to death with a century of wars that *absolutely* rattled the faith of millions upon millions of people. And the Mass of Paul VI is far from lame. Maybe if “Rad Trads” were actually traditional Catholics they could see that. It is a culmination of a lot of work that spans back to Pope Pius XII and even beyond. All “Rad Trads” have succeeded in doing is ironically departing from tradition, embracing a spirit of schism, and crumbling into actual modernism (which shouldn’t be surprising since this is the community that was being consumed by it in the days of St. Pius X) all because of this fetishization of Latin (even though Mass was being celebrated in the vernacular well before V2 reforms). Again, there are much bigger problems in the Church today than what version of the Mass you like, and honestly the Church would probably be just fine without the Extraordinary Form lingering around. As for that quip about the laity singing, Popes Pius X, Xi, and XII disagree entirely. All three advocated for this active participation and Pius X, as Cardinal Sarto, once said he believed the singing of the faithful to be better than any sacred polyphony. We are members of Christ’s Body, not spectators for a priest.

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

I'm a Glad Trad ❤️ I converted to this faith bc I wanted the unchanging and solid ground the church has created over 2000yrs. I don't want the new. The world is filled with new. I want a firm foundation.

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

@Buddy it's not part of my culture, nor available around me. Even putting aside that I am in fact convinced of the papal seat being in Rome, the Orthodox I've spoken to are across the board on moral and theological issues, with much still being based on personal feeling/situation or interpretation. For me, the Latin church makes sense on multiple levels.

[@Mrs_Homemaker]

@Buddy please don't assume I'm consuming spoon fed theology. I can tell you have strong feelings about this, and that's fine. I explained why Orthodoxy didn't stay on the table of options for me. I am more than open to Eastern rites, but within communion with Rome. I have respect for the East and all it contributes and keeps (like much more rigorous fasting and several other nuances of theology and faith). I agree V2 has many flaws.

[@relevantrex5459]

I'm becoming a big fan or Pints with Aquinas! Thank you for great content based on Truth!

[@SuperZebezian]

Tradition is the democracy of the dead. It is the passing on of fire--not the worship of ashes.

[@feslerae]

That's a great way of putting it.

[@Rben20]

@@feslerae Straight from G.K. Chesterton.

[@SuperZebezian]

@@Rben20 And a creative rewording of a quote from Gustav Mahler.

[@scottmcloughlin4371]

“Ethics and aesthetics are one.” ― Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus.

[@scottmcloughlin4371]

@@konyvnyelv. Explaining Wittgenstein in a YT comment box is asking too much! I recommend Cavell's "The Claim of Reason." Great book!

[@aptmadooms]

Not saying anything new, but that “ Tradition keeps us from being slaves to the new” is excellent. (Gotta feed that algorithm)

[@diannalaubenberg7532]

It's like buying a classic rather than following the fads.

[@christopherbrunetti5074]

I wrote an paper on a traditional priest from Boston. I really appreciate the Latin Mass

[@JohnCampbell5650]

Are not NO and TLM equally miracles? Or are you suggesting one is superior to the other?

[@leslovesliberty1776]

"If we don't live on our traditions, then they'll die". Exactly! 💯🙏✝️

[@StingRaeTheSingingSiren]

Same… Most people would probably consider me a “rad trad” though I don’t think I’m THAT radical but I do appreciate the Traditions and I see a lot of irreverence occurring in the NO and a huge lack of catechesis. So yes, I find Sacred Traditions to be very important and am becoming more and more “Traditional”.

[@AJ-ox8xy]

You don't need to feel self conscious about being called a rad trad. Wear it like a badge of honor. There's no reason to hide the fact that the faith before V2 made infinitely more sense in practice then after V2.

[@lizledbitter6711]

One of the questions asked as part of the debrief after participation in the International Military Pilgrimage in 2019 was how it could be made more accessible to the multilingual participants. Currently the services are multilingual (French, German, Spanish, English, I remember), with subtitles on "Big Screens". Although very touching to hear the Rosary prayed in various languages (Irish among others) our suggestion from South Africa was to use Latin at the big combined Masses and Services. There are multiple opportunities to attend Mass offered in your own national languages during the Pilgrimage

[@anthonyhedgepeth3516]

It’s tradition and structure that brought me to Catholicism from Protestantism.

[@Gio-ce8ob]

Well said Fr. Charron, we can do rosary AND Jesus prayer. I love both.

[@emmalouhotho6770]

Hey Fr. Jason, your old friend, Steve, likes to attend the Latin Mass. We went to a Latin High Mass every week last summer when we were in NC. I like the Eastern Hail Mary you just said. I will have to replay this enough times to write it down.

[@michellemcdermott2026]

I ask myself the same question daily!! The music ,the felt banners,the music etc

[@irishandscottish1829]

I was recently discussing with my dad why alter serving has changed so much. When I was an alter server in the 90’s our Priest had us ringing the bells and gong during transubstantiation (they still do that). BUT we also always used the communion plate - being told how important it was that no part of Jesus fell to the floor but practising so we didn’t whack the parishioners Chins with it 😂 My brother was always the incense carrier - the Priest frequently used incense. My brother would also lead the procession with carrying the large alter crucifix so everyone’s eyes were on Jesus as the priest walked to the alter. While me and my sister carried two big candles in candle sticks (yes I know the views of many trads re girls alter serving so would not approve of me and my sister being alter servers). The Priest frequently had us carry the Aspergillum and Aspersorium for him so he could use it. He would have one of us stand and hold one of his alter books at different parts of the mass. I also remember feeling the luckiest person in the world when the Bishop visited for confirmations - wearing the silk humeral veil. Knowing I wasn’t worthy to touch such blessed items with my bare hands but I was being trusted to hold the Bishops items. So many things we did that was once common place but less used by Priests training under Vat II. Despite being brought up in NO my dad instilled in us all the things he was taught at Catholic school during Vat I. All our Priests were also very traditional and still using Vat I teachings. The one Sister (all the other nuns were elderly so no longer able to travel to all the churches in the area - lots of small towns close together) who travelled to our Church made a point of over seeing all our Sunday school. She also arranged/encouraged all youth to go to the yearly summer youth get away for a week to meet other Catholic kids from other towns (I loved it) and when you were a teenager to go on the youth pilgrimage. I still remember having rehearsals to learn how to do everything for the normal weekend mass and then also rehearsals before every visit from the Bishop. It really saddens me that alter servers are missing out on the wonder of the things I did as an alter server.

[@oldegeezer]

This is exactly how I feel about the Mass. It feels like we were sold something, told it was a better deal than the old product, and given no basis for what used to be.

[@FDO115]

Matt you are a beast! Keep it up brother, you've got the best format.

[@christopherus]

I am a Rad Trad. I am a Radical Traditional Catholic Radical: from Latin radic-/radix, meaning “root”: a basic principle, foundation. I look to the basic, foundational principles of Catholicism, which are found in her Tradition. In other words, I am Catholic.

[@Prayers_and_Porsches]

Amen Based

[@WordsFromPeter]

I think all Eastern-rite goers eventually have to admit that the Western equivalent of what they experience in the Eastern liturgies is the TLM and not the Novus Ordo. At least that was the case for me. I find it disheartening sometimes to be judged and criticized for being a traditionalist when I seemed to be getting a free pass going to the Eastern rite. And when that comes from people who go the Easrern rite themselves, I find it extremely hypocritical.

[@ponderingCanuck]

This is the 3rd time or so that I've heard reference to hockey sticks and other bizarre items being part of the Mass. I'm in Canada, and I've never witnessed this. Is this common in the United States? I feel very blessed as I have found our N.O Mass to be very reverent. Our altar servers are all in cassocks, and are trained to be very reverent. There is regular incensing of the Altar, the Eucharist, Priest and congregation during mass. We do not hold hands during the Our Father, although I have seen and been part of it at other churches, and I'm not even sure I understand where that came from but I know it was popular for a while.

[@a_girl_nextdoor]

Same. From Canada. Now go to NO in the U.S. Picture painted by trads is inaccurate. At least based on my twenty years in Can and quite a bit in US.

[@knguyen6061]

A subtle attack on the "form" of celebration instead of real substance Let's say it outright : God preferred Latin speaks

[@commercialrealestatephilos605]

Why do people leave the faith? They. don’t. believe. in. the. real. presence. Why don’t they believe? We only need to Look to the liturgy

[@AMAM-ui4pb]

How did Matt grow a beard so quickly between the start of the video, and him opening the can at the end?

[@stephenchelius7461]

Cigars will do that to a man.

[@sebastianofmilan]

Eat your vegetables and obtain this power too.

[@PontifexByzantinus]

The Prayer Rule of the Theotokos (aka Our Lady's Psalter aka the Rosary) has a long history in the East although at times it has been obscured. St. Seraphim of Sarov revived it during the 19th century at a time when it had fallen out of use (according to my understanding). Taylor Marshall has talked about this at length in some of his videos.

[@kristinwannemuehler9757]

The sacred language and rubrics of the TLM protect the faithful from the individuality of the priest offering the Holy Sacrifice if the Mass. Some people in the congregation may identify with certain temperaments or personalities of pastors, but in the TLM, the only one coming across through the priest and in the priest himself is Christ.

[@BlessedisShe]

Thank you for sharing!

[@joecardone4887]

Honestly I think when I hear these loud preachers that try to get the crowd into it it’s honestly manipulative. Our relationship with Christ should be about love and obedience not about feelings.

[@OldRomanTV]

He gets it!

[@FatJoe98100]

One of us! One of us! One of us!

[@Harlow65965]

So many Catholics are just poorly catechized. V2 was poorly implemented and indifference settled in. I pray the controversy (of the trads v Francis) will be come too good.

[@TartanCatholic]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate how badass Father is with his Havana in hand!

[@williamcabell142]

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏The water is nice, jump in!

[@christinacanto3740]

Our longing for tradition is ultimately just a longing for connecting with Christ. There is a lot of beauty in that, but we can make an idol of tradition.

[@Gpacharlie]

I wish my catholic education would have included latin. It would have made college so much easier when I chose to go into the healthcare field. So much Latin, and Greek. It’s easier to learn than we think and is foundational to many spoken languages. For example; In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti - In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit

[@2tradchicks213]

I hope so!

[@icxcnika9399]

Saint Seraphim of Sarov recommended 3 x Our Father, 3 x Hail Mary + a recitation of the creed ( on waking from sleep ) then Jesus Prayer throughout the day and when in company simply Lord Have Mercy.

[@charliek2557]

Best video title

[@FOURTOONESIBLINGS]

The river analogy is used so much by Bp Barron. We could agree that most people starts in Novus Ordo, but when they are touch by God's grace somejow end up in tradition.

[@billmartin3561]

Read the church fathers, the Novus Ordo captures the essence of how the Mass was performed by the early church. The Latin Mass is great, but so is the Novus Ordo.

[@janettedavis6627]

Bill Martin Did Jesus abandon the Jewish Passover Prayers said in the Temple in Jerusalem that Jesus attended with His Apostles on the night He was betrayed His own prayers His death Prayers No he certainty didnt. Only the Tridentine Latin Mass has them.

[@irfilipi7275]

Loreto Publications sells fantastic books on traditional Catholicism!

[@sarahp3144]

Hubs (who converted last year) and I went to our first TLM on September 12. We will never go back to the NO.

[@basedlawyer5147]

Thanks!

[@ramirreyes6414]

I don't consider myself a "trad" because we have no TLM where we live but my priest said that I'm a conservative and I think I have a reason to be proud. To be deeper in study results to being conservative in many instances. Its just that if we keep adding these novelties and accomodation in the Novus Ordo world, we dilute the message that do not awaken people's fascination, adding to the fact that many parishes are not doing things to propagate the faith as it should be. Younger generations become less and less reverent to the sacred because they have been mostly raised in an era that downplays or ignores the visible signs that are supposed to lead our minds into the mystical. I suppose there are many Catholics in the millennial generation who are liberal-leaning, relativistic in morals and have a theology not far from a non-denom Evangelical of the sugar-coated gospel types. Being aware of the crises in the Church, with barely anyone to support me in my parish continues to be a challenge to me.

[@wbl5649]

I have no problem saying the Hail Mary, however saying it 50-150 times is the issue...I think it has much more meaning and is more heartfelt just saying it once ir twice with other morning/evening prayers then 50+ times, that's when it becomes robotic and you have to question is it really honoring...

[@flyingmonkeys96]

First time I heard someone even mention the Syro Malabar rite. We love saying the rosary

[@Anyone690]

Yeah I’m with you Matt. We have the same pet peeves. That would Lowkey piss me off too

[@laurielewis2745]

I don't think one can push open the door to heaven without Mother Mary's help. Yes, the Rosary is necessary.

[@kerrytopel9835]

I accidentally did too because I feel safe in the old places and traditions. I don’t have to have the Latin Mass but I have to have the extreme reverence affirmed.

[@peregqwe18878]

We can certainly hope so.

[@dondarius7262]

The name of the devotion is Prayer Rule of the Theotokos. I like the St Seraphim of Sarov one.

[@JohnCampbell5650]

Become a trad if you must, Matt, but please avoid the ´angry trad syndrome ‘ if you can, and watch out for that anti Vatican II bug that lurks below the surface, waiting to pounce in order to sow division and spread dissent against the see of Peter.

[@Jayce_Alexander]

Matt Fradd the Trad Cat certainly passes the name test. And yes, invoking the William Shatner school of acting during Mass is one of my pet peeves as well.

[@TheJuddly]

I beg a differ, saying it slowly is so much better and our lady said its better to go slowly

[@maciejpieczula631]

I hope that one day soon you can get Bishop Barron on your show to discuss Vatican 2.

[@spencermead5338]

I went to a FSSP church a few times and encountered exactly this 03:30. Hearing some 60 year old guy saying "Hail Maaaary, full o grayce, the LARD is wit thee, blest art thoooouu amungst wimin, n blessid is tha frooooot of thyyy wooomb, Jezus" was so repulsive LMAO

[@carolinpurayidom4570]

You should do video on syro Malabar Catholic or invite a syro Malabar Catholic priest to your podcast to discuss it.

[@carolinpurayidom4570]

@Buddy how about both

[@christopherbates1428]

What cigars are those, & what would you recommend?

[@armandosalgado1121]

“Trad” is not a bad word.

[@hglundahl]

I am glad the Theotoke Parthene is used by Eastern Rite Catholics.

[@philsdon8932]

I allow the rosary to take me deep down inside beyond my thoughts.

[@TheCatholicRose]

Wait 😂 I can't wait to watch this!

[@anniebanderet]

Tradition frees us from the slavery of becoming our own gods

[@mikejaydubs4026]

Question: "Am I becoming a trad?" Answer "We hope so."

[@timt6510]

I received my new vanity license plate in the mail, "RAD TRD". Love it!

[@timt6510]

You must be the only one in your State that had the ba..s to get that plate.

[@sharonseesink6163]

Glad you’ve found the traditional Mass. just don’t get involved with the “holier than thou” mentality that festers with some members.

[@Myrtal2]

Wonderfully said Matt! Great to hear that. I feel the same.

[@marbonifacde]

Tradition is what connects us with revelation and the apostles. Without it, we'd just be making up some projection of our own psychology as "religion." Trads just want the faith, and if there's any negativity to new things, it's because we can't access the apostolic traditions without someone who has received them passing them on to us. It's frustrating when you want the faith revealed by Christ, and just keep getting novus opinions and ideas instead.

[@danialezero93]

A good point is that, not because something is antique in it's time origins or difficult to comprehend from our own culture/environment this means it's bad. Guess what is antique and uncomprehensible? Jesuscrist and the fact that he decided to leave his beloved in this earth, etc. Saints woulnd't dare to deny the wisdom from old brought to their minds and souls. Just as the bible states, we have to listen to our old people, wise ones, our grandparents and great grandpas, because they are full of knowledge. Also how come instead of improving something in order to inspire more love, joy, sense of awe, of intimacy, etc we come and reduce the prayers, change the whole sacraments way and more stuff like that? And why is this all related to protestants point of view (from what I was told) and influence during Vatican II? This is very recessive instead of progressive. I really liked Timothy Flanders's argument. It might be time for you to interview Tim Flanders! That would be awesome Matt!

[@CK-dp6je]

Wow, I love that, trad saves us!

[@timothyobrien8591]

What was St. Thomas Aquinas and what would he have to say about the NO?

[@ryann2710]

Lol, you’re not already? Your show is called pints with aquinas.

[@claymcdermott718]

3:35 That’s not why priests emphasize random words. It’s cuz they have no idea what they’re reading, and they don’t know what it means, and haven’t looked at it ahead a time. But they know good speakers use inflection

[@williammcenaney1331]

Mr. Fradd, maybe you remember that I'm a staunch traditionalist Catholic who abandoned the Novus Ordo for the TLM nearly seven years ago. The Novus Ordo is sacramentally valid. But I still feel morally obligated to boycott because the Ottaviani Intervention and five Catholic priests convinced me that the Novus Ordo rite is incompatible with what the Coi's Council of Trent teaches about the theology Holy Mass. For me, there are major problems with Vatican-II-style ecumenism and what Vatican II calls "religious liberty." Thank God that, if I understand, the Church hasn't required Catholics to adopt any of those novelties. So I resist them. If I'm mistaken, I need to humble myself enough to let the Church correct me. Meanwhile, though I may be dead wrong, it seems to me that even if the hermeneutic of continuity is genuine, Pope Francis has rejected it. I'm not telling anyone what to do. I'm not trying to be like a Protestant. But I need you to know that for me, being a traditionalist Catholic is a duty. I'd love to see you join our clan. Feel free to take my thoughts with a pillar of salt since I'm only a layman, not an expert in any Catholic field. Please do me a favor, though. Would you please read the Ottaviani Intervention or at least its Introduction from Cardinals Ottaviani and Bacci? Then, again, do what Our Lord wants you to do. Whether become a traditionalist stay conservative, I need you to know why I think I should never attend the Novus Ordo. lms.org.uk/ottaviani-intervention