am I WRONG?? Convincing another builder to do SUBFLOORS my way.

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[@DONKEYdaDON]

*scrolling through youtube. "Oh new Chuck Cassady video, no one bother me for the next ~30 minutes"

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

GOAT fan status!

[@byronn.2885]

Swapping on a front grille and headlights from a higher end passenger van and a nice set of wheels would take this build to another level. Still a cool build though.

[@byronn.2885]

Swapping on a front grille and headlights from a higher end passenger van and a nice set of wheels would take this build to another level. Still a cool build though.

[@Techgeekengineer]

As someone who had been in the OSB industry for 14 years, OSB flooring resists water and moisture tremendously. LP Subflooring utilizes Gorilla Glue Technology. APA standards are blown out the water. No pun intended 😂 But LP subfloor has lifetime warranty. Covered until it's covered. You can leave a bundle out in the rain for a year and have no issues. Warrenty still covers it. The Techshield Radiant Barrier is also tremendous. You should look into the testing standards done between plywood and some of the OSB manufacturers out there. There's a major difference between strength weight and even the warranty provided. I hope this useful information helps you in future builds. But I am no longer in the OSB industry. Let's just say I design, build, and run machines that make SharkBite Max Fittings. Pex-A and Pex-B.

[@user-cl1kk4pu2v]

Did my Box Truck floor this way. Thanks Chuck!!!! Don't forget people to take measurements of fuel pump access and mark that on your subfloor as well.

[@lamh5265]

You have demonstrated so thoroughly in all of your videos that I believe that I could so the insulation. Looking forward to your wiring demo, again.

[@NomadicHooker]

I'm already convinced long ago. Everything about this method makes sense. I seen your flooring video where you suggested the Formular 250. Advantec and 4 inches thiick. BUT due to cost, availability and I am NOT doing a roof raise in my 77.5 inch ceiling Handy Blue Bird with no wheel wells, I know Formular 150 is strong enough and glad to see you using it as well as plywood. Some people have hit me up and told them Formular 150 and since you're on a budget go with T&G Plywood. And they said, " BUT CHUCK CASSIDY SAID.... So it took me a bit to convince them, Hey listen, I promise you, Forular 150 1 inch and plywood T&G subfloor material, will do what you want it to do, serve your purpose and be within your budget guidelines. As I told them, the floating floor system is going to be the fastest way, and the 2 things that it does, is vapor barrier and thermal bridghing break, and you get the added benefit of the small R value but the thermal bridging break is ever so more important than any R value IMO when it comes to the floor. So they've done just that. Formular 150 1 inch and & T&G Plywood. Though I haven't started my build yet, I have alreadey bought the Formular 150 for just under $22 a sheet, and I was able to buy my Advantech at $34 a sheet before it started going back up again. You know that's a hella deal for Advantech. The only one thing I'da done different here. Yes, I'll leave the seat bolt holes unfilled, but I"m doing Chassis Saver anyway, BUT HERE, I would have taken that same paint you used on the plywood, and ran a paint loaded roller over the seat holes row. Not the whole floor, but just 2 rows over the seat holes. And the paint would fall through the holes and cling and dry to the sides of those holes as a rust preventive measure for what it's worth. I'm going to think about that furring strip border a bit more. I kinda like the idea of being able to put some screws in the plywood/Advantech. It can be done in a way to still be considered a floating floor and not touching the sides and still offer the thermal bridging break.

[@SpeedBumpGarage]

I knew I was procrastinating on my subfloor for a reason lol. Always appreciate the solid advice.

[@bradkirbey1560]

love that system for the floors, but as an old guy I wonder why you don't use a handle in the paint roller to save your knees. Trust me you'll wish you had when you hit your fifties. Just sayin!!LOL

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Great point!

[@PapaCriss]

Two of my most favorite builders in one place. Got to love it!

[@stargirlofantares9053]

Brianna was cool. I’ll have to subscribe to Wolf Dog Buses. I know you wanted a little height in there, but how you got yourself to do only 1 inch foam stuff (if I need to know the name, I’ll just rewatch) when your bus has 4 & you swore that’s whatchya gotta have to be properly insulated for all weather, especially cold, I’ll never know! How will you sleep at night??!!! Thanks Chuck! Always good content! How’s the progress on your own bus? Love from Oregon ♥️ Jess

[@Swerly01]

Great looking bus, it's going to make the new owner very happy!

[@rbnhood39]

Beautiful dog, and oh yeah the floor. 👍

[@RedSiBaron]

Thanks again as always for a great to the point video Chuck. We painted our 12 window early this fall and finished replacing all the steel floor around the wheel wells. NOW it's cold and winter and I can't chassis saver or glue down a sub floor because it's too cold. Hopefully we get a freak warm spell and I can sneak it in.

[@gregwillcutt687]

I’m so interested in how much this bus is going to priced at. Can’t wait!!!

[@WattsOccurring]

Hi from sunny Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿... We have our 1st conversion coming up and love this method of flooring 👍

[@JayDubber]

She's awesome! Her builds are insane..

[@dan9441]

My favorite two builders, Brianna and Chuck! Chuck, this is one of your best episodes.

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Wow, thanks!

[@WolfDogBuses]

Honored! ❤

[@kevinwittenauer6892]

Your way is the best

[@darrenwebb1382]

Are you at all concerned about the furring strips that you screwed the ply wood to collecting moisture over time? or is there some form of insulation under those as well?

[@davidcarrick9114]

Cannot wait for the snow to melt here!

[@peterwilson8903]

Top notch dog maneuver at 12:56

[@WolfDogBuses]

shes somethin 🫠

[@HenryRoss-wu4lo]

❤@This build 🎉🎉

[@missingegg]

A helpful tip for anyone prepping for a project like this: you really want a way to hammer in the T&G top layer without smashing up the insulation layer below. It's not just that you're trying to preserve the insulation: it can also just be really difficult to seat the T&G together properly if the insulation layer is getting in the way of swinging the hammer. You can see in the video that they're using little blocks of T&G as a spacer to then hammer against, and that they're tearing up the insulation as they're doing it. Then, at 15:06 they come back in with a long enough piece that it overhangs the end of the insulation, which makes it much easier to get a good hammer swing. In normal construction, people are laying T&G on top of floor joists, without the underlying insulation sheet, which gives plenty of room to swing the hammer. Another tip is to carefully pick your T&G sheets yourself at the suppliers yard, rather then letting them just deliver whatever they feel like. It's pretty common to find sheets where the tongue or the grove are smashed up, which can make it just impossible to seat them tightly together. If you're going to let the supplier pick the sheets, prepare for getting one or more that's just unusable. Particularly if you're dealing with a big box store like Home Depot.

[@TheDagnab]

super easy way to do a sub floor, simple and to the point, really like that bus nice looking

[@TheLemonAndBeanBus]

You two need to wander over to ohio. Help us put heated floors in our build!!!!!

[@WolfDogBuses]

Say when! Love trips to the midwest… in the summer 🙂

[@Doc1855]

Your videos are so interesting. If I were single, I’d definitely be building a business conversion. But my wife hates camping. Over the years I’ve come to learn that “roughing it” is in a Holiday Inn.

[@chrisgentry4427]

My wife hates the bus as well. But I haven't got it finished yet, so we will see how it goes when we go camping in it.

[@Doc1855]

@@chrisgentry4427 Good luck with you on that one. This year we went to Hawaii for vacation. Real estate is too high, so next year we’ll go to the Virgin Islands to look around at real estate prices. We’re looking now, so we can purchase a nice 2 bedroom 2 bath house for our winter residence. We’ll still have to build a 2 bedroom 2 bath log cabin on our land in Montana, so while we’re there in the spring through fall, we can rent out our house on or near the beach. If the Virgin Islands are too expensive, then we’ll look down in Costa Rica.

[@chrisgentry4427]

@Doc1855 that sounds like a good plan. I've got a couple plots of land in Southern Indiana and wanted to build a new house and shop, but can't get my wife to move. She loves it where we are now. I can't afford to build without trading in the equity I've built up in my other properties. Hopefully you can have better luck and find you a good winter property.

[@Doc1855]

@@chrisgentry4427 We Love where we live now in north central WA state, but after she retires (I retired early on a medical), we won’t want to be snow blowing the 5-7 feet of snow we get every winter. Furthermore our current house is a 2 story, so it’ll be nice to have a single story in our “Golden Years”. I’m 7 years older than my wife so by the time she retires I’ll be 75 years old, that is if she waits until she’s 67 when she retires. The owner and all of the employees of Meadowlark Log Cabins are Amish. They have an attention to detail and build quality Log Homes.

[@chrisgentry4427]

@@Doc1855 The Amish have a very large settlement about an hour from me, and also build quality "everything" They sell a lot of the local metal for post frame construction, and have several businesses in the area that do barndominium style construction.

[@alvisjenkins1305]

In my 21 year old bus I did not have to change the flooring. It is solid and supportive for use as is with short haired carpet over the rubber surfaced floor.

[@bryanrhoten4032]

Have you tried this method with a plywood base or just a metal floor? Curious if the adhesive would be as successful with wood to xps?

[@olbird7647]

Amazingly, I've impressed myself by remembering your very informative, clever-clogs thermal bridge etc info from your previous flooring vid. Alas, I have no one to inflict this knowledge on. Just hasn't dropped into conversation easily. 🤔

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Hahahaha that’s a real struggle

[@richardvargas3983]

Hey Chuck! Great job! I was wondering if your blocks, and the strips at the bottom, were 3/4" plywood? Thanks!

[@WTFwuzdat]

I have the same bus!!! :)

[@Budginut]

Do you ever replace the flashers with spotlights??

[@withQandZ]

I did mine that way. Front and rear. 3k lumens each x4

[@Budginut]

@@withQandZ seems like a smart use of the structure already there. Does it look and work well?

[@withQandZ]

@Budginut ya, I love it. The headlights are no where near enough. Even just two lights bring daylight to the night. All 4 lights together are extremely bright. There's a picture on my Instagram showing how bright they're.

[@siimtuulik6344]

Decent option for a vehicle with a flat foor. However, the painted metal surface should be cleaned with alcohol, from any grease. The paint should also not be flaky/rusty and etc. The paste you use needs to be 2 component. These 1 component adhesives don't want to set well, if they get no air, and are a bit thick blobs. There definately should be some screws attached to the sides and even few from the middle. Not much, but the adhesive is not that longlasting. Also would be a good idea to use a string or a straight ruler to check any natural dips and etc on the flooring as you are setting it down.

[@kindofsortofmaybe7598]

Loved the video! Excited to hear more about the bus. Would you guys consider doing a video talking about why you mutually thought this bus was a good buy?

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

That’s a great idea

[@colleenbalch328]

SOAP BOX, get em, Charlie!

[@halleluYAH144]

Nope! less thermal bridging does the bus body good.

[@tetmayo]

Fellow Sailor! 🎉 that’s what’s up! Am in the same boat. All these time in the world, why not build a shortie? Hehe 😂

[@b.s.adventures9421]

She’s cute chuck.. 😉 Great video. I wanted to do something like this but unfortunately did not have the head space to do so.

[@mmsmits2868]

I'd need a roof raise, even if just a few inches. At 6'2" I'd like to be able to stand up. Also why vans (Sprinter, Transit & ProMaster) won't work for me: with insulation there's not enough headroom. I like your flooring method. It makes sense. Cuts thermal bridging.

[@jaystewart9947]

Nice job!

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@jimmiller4951]

I agree with you but will add that you can also take 2x4" s and wedge them from the ceiling to the floor in multiple areas instead of lugging batteries into the bus

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

that is an outstanding idea@@jimmiller4951

[@Danielily1]

I live in Canada. Do you think it would be a good idea to put a heated floor? What about raise the roof and put the water tank on the floor and put the floor on top? I’d love to hear your thoughts. We can get -40 degrees. Look to hear from you.

[@stephendickinson9929]

That is the bus I have been looking for. I'm interested.

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

We will be listing it for sale next sunday

[@lisadee7805]

Do you post sale on YT and where else please?​@@ChuckCassadyYT

[@poet99999]

i have a chassis shuttle bus, it does not have metal floor pan. what would you suggest for a floor? i was thinking 3/4 ply on the metal frame, 1" XPS on top of that, but im unsure if i should do another layer of wood on TOP of that xps/ if so how thick? i was going to bolt the bottom layer plywood to the metal frame floor supports like the OE. undercoating on the bottom and a top layer of seal coat on the top surface of the bottom layer ply wood

[@chrisgentry4427]

Well good to know Chuck's knees are better than mine. I used to be able to crawl around on the floor like that.

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

lol for now….

[@tuckermiddlebrook4505]

where do you get those replacement flashers?

[@Doc1855]

What part of WA state are you in?

[@Royal.Gypsys]

Would you that is a method to use in a van too?

[@colinchallis-thompson9928]

Will it take the weight of heavy batteries and fresh water tanks without compressing over time?

[@b.s.adventures9421]

I did not have the headroom insulate my floors inside. What are your thoughts on spraying closed cell foam under the floor on the exterior ?

[@jameslehmann6887]

Thats how wonderlodge by bluebird did it

[@mariemedina257]

Question whats the color of thist paint??

[@Gail-gf7km]

Why do you glue the floor instead of allowing it to float?

[@cycleoflife7331]

Chuck, remind her that she can add more inches of foam under counters, bed especially areas of low walking traffic like around the bed for better overall insulation when you are not doing a roof raise

[@joncampbell8217]

Just curious, how high was the head room after the sub floor install? I'm assuming you did not do a roof raise.

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

No roof raise and this method costs 1” of headroom. Height in here is 5-10”

[@joncampbell8217]

Thanks!

[@stevencummings5505]

I called it a month ago!

[@scottfalcore]

Why wouldnt you do a full coverage floor glue like GreenForce? Why only do little patches ?

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Sounds like an interesting product

[@lukekao8136]

What? You mean you don't like President Che's Bus build? lol jk. :P Btw, Thank you for your service, Briana. :)

[@Danielily1]

Hi CHuck, I didn’t see Brianna’s website. Can you tell me where it is please? Or what it is? Thanks.

[@WolfDogBuses]

Www.wolfdogbuses.com , if you google wolf dog buses it should come up! I also work with heated floors if you wanted to chat over a consult about it 😊

[@jimm7165]

Huh. I thought the foam "pink board" was expanded polyurethane foam. Learn something new every day

[@petedude2lu3]

i notice both you and wolfdog have forsaken your domain names. Have you determined that maintaining a domain is distracting, expensive, andor and not necessary for marketability? what sells best: YT , IG, FB, CL, 0F, patreon, business cards, other?

[@WolfDogBuses]

Lololol we both realized this today. Personally i still have a website, but the server is down.. should be live again by tomorrow. My business has been largely word of mouth, moving towards utilizing more of what the internet has to offer in the coming year 🙂

[@dockledoo]

Did I understand correctly? Is this bus for sale? How much when completed, can it tow?

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

It’s long since sold

[@rodfreess6019]

That's a whole lotta glue for a "floating floor"?

[@TheHummingbirdBus]

Who do you get to insure these builds?

[@WolfDogBuses]

It depends on the owners state of residence and what options are available at that moment.. skoolie insurance is an ever morphing thing. Kelly Newsome with allstate is a great place to start, she is a bit of a wizard in the field

[@legiontechnologies4088]

What would you recommend for really cold places like Fairbanks, Alaska?

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

4” of insulation and a heated floor if you can

[@MarkWRCCTV]

I ran 2" of Halo Subterra XPS on my build and during the recent cold snap here in East Central Alberta, where the outside temperature was -46c (50 below) and my floor was about 10c (50f) with the Chinese diesel heaters at the front and back of the build set at 14c (they usually idle down at a few degrees warmer than that). Now that's with insulated walls with cut down insulated metal doors front and rear, so the unit is very well sealed. 4" of insulation would be nice, but I'll just skirt the unit with insulated tarps before sacrificing more headroom.

[@legiontechnologies4088]

Thanks that's help-full information not to many of us that know what -50 feels like! I want to cut the top off and remove most of the windows and raise the roof about 12-14" then spray-foam the walls and ceiling. I want to use this for winter dog mushing trips but also have a nice cool place for summer adventure. @@MarkWRCCTV

[@MarkWRCCTV]

Indeed, 50 below is a ridiculous temperature to experience, but you sure learn a lot about what works and what fails! After pulling the windows I sheeted the sides and went with 6 double pane, Energy Star rated windows and then applied 8 mil security film to the glass so they wouldn't launch shards everywhere if an accident occurred. Three inches of spray foam to the walls and ceiling (with the exception of the front and rear walls, where I installed 2" XPS between the 2x4's) and the only places where I can see the cold spots with my thermal camera are the fasteners going through the strapping and into the ribs and of course right at the bottom of the entry doors and the latches. Best of luck with your build!

[@jenpen1022]

​@MarkWRCCTV what do you mean "cut down insulated metal doors"? Also, you have just confirmed that I won't be needing 4" of insulation. Thanks.

[@ginuiowa]

We may see some flying vehicles, but this is to big, cumbersome, and very cost prohibitive… Motorcycles consist of two wheels and trikes, three wheels, while vehicles have four wheels and many more laws governing them… These are the fun challenges of designing new vehicles; land and air 😉 Wish you all the best 😊

[@moustachemike7128]

howdee breee

[@Scoliosisguide]

a new shop enviroment

[@user-wr3zq1fz4r]

I thought you recommended a floating floor yet I noticed you're screwing in the perimeter? Why?

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

The floating doesn’t matter, it’s that you don’t need to run framing below the whole floor

[@AdHocAtom]

That's such a foolish way of doing it, totally won't work or last. You're welcome to come to Arizona sometime in the next 3 months to help install it your way in my bus and prove me wrong ( :

[@Cam-eo2hz]

Foamular 150 vs 250…and only 1”? Didn’t Chuck recommend 250 and 4 inches?

[@chrisgentry4427]

Probably to cut down on taking up too much height. I originally did 3/4" in my bus because I wasn't going to do a roof raise. But then later decided to raise it 12". Now I wish I would have done more.

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

Every bus is different and I did a video showing that the 150 is strong enough

[@toastedcooking]

@@ChuckCassadyYTwhat video did you discuss 150 in id like to watch ive only seen videos about 250 , thanks!

[@chrisdaniel1339]

That is not a normal Chuck Cassidy 4" of XPS foam floor. After you put your blobs of glue scattered about, you should go back with an 1/8" V notched trowel and spread the glue evenly across the entire foam sheet or plywood for uniform adhesion across the entire sheet. Why are you using such thick plywood? The compressive strength of the foam on its own can support 15 pound per square inch. The average size 10 shoe print has an area of 31.76 sqin X 15 psi = 476.4 lbs can be supported by the area of ONE shoe, 952.8 lbs for both feet flat on the floor. You could just use an 1/8" thick real wood veneer and that is your finished floor, or even thinner 1/16" already cured fiberglass panels and then a thin flooring material. Adding multiple sheets of 3/4" plywood adds nothing but extra, unnecessary weight. The only reason to a anything on top of the foam is to dissipate 'point loads' however in a bus, camper, overlander there are very few such loads. A bank of heavy batteries covers a wide area, as do water tanks, grey tanks, shower pans, platform beds with storage under, kitchen cabinet carcasses weigh a lot but the load is spread out such that they are a good portion of one wall of a bus, so you can see a human is likely the biggest point load (or a dog), now if that human is wearing high heals then you have a truer definition of a point load. A weight bloated vehicle cost more in diesel because of worse fuel milage, costs money because of more wear and tear on brakes, tire, the engine, and just give worse performance to the vehicle when climbing hills, more body roll when cornering, and longer stopping distances. And if you are really concerned about point loads use the Foamular 250 instead which has a 25 psi compressive strength, if tens of thousands of pounds of concrete can be poured on top of XPS foam without a plywood subfloor the bus will be fine without it too.

[@RobertaMott]

you talk about what you are going to do too much ,get busy and work

[@ChuckCassadyYT]

You’re not the boss of me 😂

[@pbarrick03]

From the navy...she ment a long and cocky road....smh