They Were the Poster Child for the KKK; Now They Advocate for Antiracism | Amanpour and Company

In a new memoir, “The Klansman’s Son," R. Derek Black writes about their upbringing and personal transformation - from a committed white supremacist since childhood to an outspoken anti-racism advocate. The author joins the show to reflect on their journey and offer insight into why people hold onto extremist beliefs.
Originally aired on June 4, 2024
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[@terrypetersen2970]

Who wants to bet that this book will be banned in Florida, Texas, and Oklahoma school libraries.

[@Sad_bumper_sticker.]

It may because they are trans :(

[@AlisaPowerDashaBlackWoodsHills]

Especially oaklahoma

[@insaneclownponies9599]

As someone born and raised in Oklahoma, yea. Probably be among the first.

[@TriniLush7]

Unless they block the internet, it would be pointless.

[@user-vd9yz1xt9v]

@@Sad_bumper_sticker.it’s not trans

[@dallingoodrich]

As a wise man once said "The cure for ignorance is education"

[@millennialsecularandauthri3338]

He literally said that people in this movement are educated and have white collar jobs. I'm one of them.

[@cd129]

David himself said Dasatan and his radical cult members have embraced the idea of miseducating their followers with the banning of books and certain curriculums. Miseducated people often have to be educated.

[@cd129]

@millennialsecularandauthri3338… and your “education” proves it was lacking the most important component of education: critical thinking skills! Being “educated” with a degree does not mean you you do not need to be educated. ✌️🫶

[@millennialsecularandauthri3338]

@@cd129 I got a JD and before that I decided to support a movement for people of my demographics because of it. It’s perfectly rational to take your own side, all other races do it.

[@cd129]

Banning books and curriculums is a form of miseducating and under educating! ✊

[@jaioxung]

Stories like this give me hope that we will eventually get there...eventually.

[@alphaomega8373]

After thinning the hate herd.

[@HarryFlowerrs]

MAGA has put that back decades if not centuries.........

[@feedtherich11]

I have Hundreds of. MAGA neighbors which I have nothing to do ( I live in a Blue State. ) These folks are in a cult and nothing will change , these folks are unhinged .

[@kgreen8527]

It will never happen because justice has never been served!

[@user-bo2yz8ft5e]

He chose to change but he was forced by education system. He is just extreme case but there are less extreme cases in everyday life. As if u have to be part of a group to be hateful and have a sense of superiority. Majority of whites are conditioned to be white supremacist whether in Europe, South Africa or Mexico. Whites are superior to nonwhites in Latin America, look at Mexico and Brazil

[@MicheleEngel]

That's the key reason: A sense of belonging to a community. When your family, friends, neighbors, and the people who attend your church all believe it, it's very difficult to part ways from the community and its belief system. That human need to belong to a community supersedes intelligence and education.

[@wisconsinfarmer4742]

That is my thought as well. We are tribal in life after after life until our innate security no longer needs external definition of who we are.

[@mimim8532]

@@wisconsinfarmer4742well said.❤

[@christianthompson7495]

Much respect to R. Derek Black and this channel for a great interview and superior bravery and strength to speak up and speak out! 👏

[@michaelhogan4666]

Seriously, God bless this young gentleman for getting his peace in his own hands. Imagine the pain. Your OWN FAMILY. stay strong, R. DEREK BLACK.

[@kymbartley8104]

What a brave and intelligent guy. I'll check out the book.

[@wholeshebang1]

You must mean "brave and intelligent *person."* _They_ said _they_ are exploring _their _*_transgender identity,_* and the last question by the host asked _them_ about the change in _their _*_pronouns._* Try to *respect* _their_ choice.

[@opinion3742]

@@wholeshebang1 I'm sure she can manage that. Guy is quickly becoming a gender neutral term.

[@theodorehaskins3756]

Whoah! Let’s not make this about gender, this is about a journey of enlightenment, and his gender choice whatever it may be, is none of our business, so let’s stay focused on why this book was written? Read the title, what did the title say? Has anyone read the book?

[@sillybirdy1994]

She isnt a guy.

[@gingerthomas5758]

​@@theodorehaskins3756welp, that's gross, but then we always knew there were sexual sickos in the racist groups also.

[@tytrammell3368]

Great moral lesson ❤ elimination of all sorts of prejudice. Thank you Derek.

[@teddydavis2339]

This country has had a very violent past. I admire this young man's bravery. I have difficulties understanding racial hatred, so I always find it interesting to listen to such stories. I really don't understand the so-called Christians who don't understand God wants us to love each other. Hatred holds the world back in so many ways. Could you imagine the world without hate? Wow! That would be an awesome place.

[@mayenessien9370]

Your wish will soon come true. The end is very near then in Gods new world love will thrive. Psalm 37:10,11,29

[@markcepeda8144]

​@@mayenessien93702tim3:1-5 😇👍

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

Love thrives.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@LA-rv2fr]

Michelle Martin is always masterful. So glad for this young man's desire to plumb his upbringing and live in the light. I wish him well.

[@wholeshebang1]

You must mean "brave and intelligent *person."* _They_ said _they_ are exploring _their _*_transgender identity,_* and the last question by the host asked _them_ about the change in _their _*_pronouns._* Try to *respect* _their_ choice.

[@sillybirdy1994]

not a man!!!!!! Did you even watch the interview?

[@giovanna722]

There's a tendancy to want to correct people who don't understand how to refer to trans people , but one should do it a kind manner. People will often revert to what they're comfortable with without meaning to offend.

[@cherylalt101]

Excellent interview. This never-ending anthem of the south will rise again continues piercing the heart of America. From the end of the Civil War, the United Daughters of the Confederacy have been rewriting our history. This group is responsible for the majority of all the Confederate statues and monuments around the country. They have also been extremely influential in selecting history textbooks for many of the public schools across America. It's hard to believe, but to this day, this group is wielding much power and spreading much misinformation about the cause of the Civil War and downplaying any part played by slavery. Much of America's history has truly been whitewashed and imo the government has been complicit in this in so many ways when they should have been much more aggressively working to stop these same old south will rise again white nationalist beliefs from dividing and destroying us all.

[@Maliceless100]

SO TRUE

[@anastasiabeaverhausen8220]

Well said.

[@wholeshebang1]

I was not aware of that!

[@tlee4218]

Yet the leaders are the white men not the women. Yes they have their corner the men let them lead the nit picking work but men rule not women.

[@Livingtheinvisiblelife]

I’d like to see the sources you have that prove this

[@cathykrall2937]

Thank you to Derek and his fellow Novo Collegians for assisting him in his educational journey . This is exactly what a true liberal arts education is all about and why Gov DeSantis and Chris Rufo etc are trying to destroy New College of Florida. As a New College alumna we support the students in trying to keep the focus on open education and inquiry not indoctrination.

[@wholeshebang1]

You must mean *them.* Derek said _they_ are exploring _their _*_transgender identity,_* and the last question by the host asked _them_ about the change in _their _*_pronouns._* Try to *respect* _their_ choice.

[@ZoeMC369]

I am so grateful for the open education, critical thinking and supportive community offered by new college. I was there when Derek started and people knew about his background but that’s not what defines him. Go Derek!

[@illegitiminoncarborundum1323]

@@ZoeMC369yet you ignore their pronouns…you are apart of the problem.

[@hildeschmid8400]

​@@illegitiminoncarborundum1323there are people who believe and support transgender people, but let's face it, many, many people have grown up with the old pronouns, and mistakes are made. Perhaps a gentle reminder would have been more appropriate.

[@ZoeMC369]

@@hildeschmid8400​​⁠thank you. When i went to school with Derek, “he” was the pronoun used, and I was referring to the person I knew back then, as I knew them! Also I think ostracizing others for a simple pronoun slip is more problematic than the error itself. Although now I wonder, in talking about a person in the time before they transition, would it be ever appropriate to use their former pronouns? Idk.

[@yveeriksson7437]

Extremely brave person. Great interview!

[@SixOneNiner23]

Good for this kid, I was a stupid right wing troll and took anti-rascist college classes and it changed my life. Blessings all we need to stick together more then ever.

[@sohu86x]

Glad to hear you changed. The alt right keeps churning out all of these hateful, misogynistic, racist teens and young people. It's despicable to me.

[@MarkSHogan]

It's always possible for people to learn and grow as better humans.

[@opinion3742]

It probably helps to be uncomfortable in your assigned gender.

[@user-sf9gs2pg1b]

Usually I give people a pass for their bigotry based on their upbringing, it’s amazing that this person has been able to change for the better despite everything.

[@louisachalarca6494]

Love kids finding themselves ❤

[@brucebennett5338]

Well done, Mr. Black. Respect. Yasher koach.

[@laurellussen3512]

Wow. I will read the book and return to this salient conversation. I appreciate you both.

[@mytruecrimelibrary]

Happy Pride ❤🧡💛💚💜💙

[@JamFlava1]

F 🏳️‍🌈

[@o0R3stless0o]

🏳‍🌈🏳‍🌈🏳‍🌈

[@tysonb3568]

Whoo hoo!

[@carolbulmer8253]

Great interview! Thank you👏👏👏👏👏

[@michellelattanzi8110]

So grateful for this person's incredible story and the courage they have to tell it. It's an example of how delusion works, i.e. the stories we tell ourselves. Each person is responsible for interrogating who we authentically are, independent of the culture and society in which we were raised. Everyone is vulnerable to the right kind of manipulation. We owe that to the victims of historic injustice.

[@linalesia5188]

It is always amazing to see the change in demeanor in people who have let go of hateful ideologies. They seem relaxed, peaceful and attractive. Hate is a killer of souls.

[@msmacmac1000]

Brave and beautiful young man.❤ what a tragedy for New College and Florida- and all of US

[@feedtherich11]

Welcome Derek to the right side of the world, ❤

[@cynthia4326]

R. Derek Black ~ THANK YOU

[@toddleyland1131]

Gives me hope in humanity. Inspiring 🙏🏼

[@rebekahcuriel-alessi2239]

Great conversation.

[@FelisImpurrator]

They're kinda cute, ngl. Coming out as trans in the same book as "how I escaped the cult of white nationalism" is a power move. Based.

[@snorristurluson5849]

He, not they

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@snorristurluson5849 Wrong, and no one cares that you think otherwise.

[@snorristurluson5849]

@@FelisImpurrator wrong? I'm not the one who's intentionally fking up English grammar. Also the vast majority of ppl care bout what I think bc they understand that it's absolutely a bunch of silly, ridiculous nonsense fairy tale horseshit for a singular individual male to go by the pronouns they them

[@faithhope5833]

He rejects himself. No confidence in himself so he’s all confused.

[@FelisImpurrator]

@@faithhope5833 Source: You made it up. This kind of loony-bin nonsense is exactly why no one with two braincells to rub together takes conservatives seriously.

[@amyfake1406]

Love to Derek🤗🤗🤗. Definitely purchasing his book ❤

[@bluesquirrel3919]

Hope he'll be safe and watch his back, because KKK ain't gonna' be happy with him. Be safe R. Derek, very brave you are.

[@gabbylaughs0574]

Excellent interview. What an honorable person to have come out on the other side of that depraved movement.

[@janetkruth3813]

Glad to see that this exceptional man is apparently not in the country. Hopefully he's not even where the video shows. Interesting that he attended New College in Florida, the liberal arts college that Ron DSantis later destroyed.

[@Girlhead]

Derek could have disappeared into obscurity, but they went the extra step and now they speak out. Amazing.

[@awoken1445]

"We shall overcome..." Truth always wins! Peace!💙

[@nicki66]

I actually have worked with grassroots organizations in Florida to support them in trying to become to stem this disturbing attack on the 2SLGBTQ2+ community, particularly the trans community. Terrific story and reporting! Thanks so much for sharing this with your audience. R. Derek Black, I love that speak up for the world you want to see.❤😊

[@chikamsoodume3601]

“As long as something is serving your community, people can be convinced to believe anything “ ..

[@stephenhansen]

I am curious to know how he gets along with his father and crew now.

[@gailflanagan1214]

Good question. I'm guessing, that's going to be a struggle but I hope he's opening their minds if only a crack.

[@LisaRichards_123]

“I was a racist, because I care about my family,” doesn’t work. It’s that you did not want to think for yourself. Just like all the people that want Fox News or Donald Trump to think for them. And that want them to tell them who to hate. So many people are afraid to think, but glad he came around.

[@annmariebusu9924]

A large proportion of people are lemmings.

[@davidroberts5577]

Happy Pride Month 🏳️‍🌈

[@fizzedupslade4082]

Very enlightening interview. Many thanks.

[@eliannafreely5725]

Wow - this is the exact outcome I hoped for, for this kid, when I saw their childhood interview. What a thoughtful and kind person. I thought it was interesting that, while outsiders describe hate groups in terms of who and why they hate, the author described it based on what they love. I think that distinction is important, if we want to get through to people. I don't think fascists/supremacists view themselves as small minded (obviously). They view themselves as having a sense of responsibility both personal and community, and of citizenship. They don't view themselves as evil, but as protectors. I thought it was a fascinating insight when the author said that what is needed is to expand the circle of people for whom they feel responsible.

[@akosuakoranteng3327]

Yeh, super interesting observations!

[@glenagarrett4704]

That is one morally brave person right there.

[@rosbel4119]

I knew about Derek and their father because their dad is from the same town in Alabama my paternal grandfather is from but wondered what happened to Derek since denouncing their racist father. Glad to see they’re still fighting racism.

[@justmyopinion9883]

R Derek Black is a very brave guy. I admire him for speaking out the way he is. I want to read his book.

[@hildeschmid8400]

I wonder if this book will be banned in Florida? I hope not! I definitely want to read this, and will buy it, even if they ban it here. There are a lot more states that don't ban them. This young person has looked beyond his past, and gives us hope for the future.

[@sandraloomis8179]

They are one of the bravest, most love filled humans i’ve had the pleasure to listen to… ❤️

[@onecompass7290]

His father looks like a stone cold psychopath.

[@maxlogan215]

Wow…very deep. This is a courageous young man. Thank you

[@arianahoule7223]

This was a very informative and moving interview. Bravo, to this young man for having the courage to speak his truth. I am sure he has helped a lot of people. Sending loving thoughts to everyone.

[@stevegovea1]

I give major props to him for being able to change from that environment.

[@inn8self]

Somebody said that a BBC triggered that positive change.

[@user-xu2rv7vi5h]

Thank you, for this.

[@theblackcottonball5987]

So I googled him because Jenny Jones is such an old talk show but he looks like 21 years old in this interview. Shockinly, he is 35!

[@dolceanstar]

What a beautifully intelligent and eloquent young man

[@davidk1493]

What an enlightening interview! I am reminded of a quote from Thich Nhat Hanh: “There is the mud, and there is the lotus that grows out of the mud. We need the mud in order to make the lotus.”

[@wisconsinfarmer4742]

good one.

[@LethalSaliva]

I like it👍

[@jenniferpogue5464]

Smart person and brave to own their own life… A lot smarter than I would have ever thought that movement would produce.

[@tracevicente]

Important interview. Thank you both.

[@maryjane2965]

Great interviewer,great guest!!!🎉❤

[@vivalaleta]

My mother shipped me over to my much older and very religious sister in jr high. What I went through with them and how I came out of it after I was apart from the religion made me a new person. A good bunch of it was based on, not hate, but disgust at least.

[@ritahall8148]

I read that a test to determine if someone was a Republican was to determine how easily disgusted that person was. 95% of the easily disgusted persons were Republicans.

[@billbernhard3582]

Hate is easy. "Different" opens the door to Distance ! We can work on this, or decide to remain upset by the indices of 'different'. Better would be to interact, witnessing the value of someone brand new and unknown, without the pre-judgement. We KNOW individuals like Trump. We can and should judge them. But we cannot know a race, a religion, a socio/economic group without doing the hard work of meeting and assessing the thing we do not know yet.

[@wisconsinfarmer4742]

I sometimes think in the eternal scheme of things that DJT has great courage to volunteer his person as a model of what every conscious being finds reprehensible. Kind of like a national, and international, public flogging. We have to get these things out in the light for people to see[hopefully in ourselves] question them and realize what is useful and eliminate what is not.

[@maryburrell3948]

I would read this book for sure.

[@RoseA.Dewine]

Thank you young person! You helped me understand, well, more than I did before. I hope you are able to help shift some hearts and minds! I wonder what I can do to help you in your quest and hopefully help heal our country's bitterly devided soul.

[@inn8self]

❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤

[@howardcrews4410]

THis happens alot. People who get raised in racism grow up seeing the truth and realize they were raised wrong.

[@basicallyno1722]

What an intelligent, thoughtful and honest person.

[@Donnie-Lee-Gringo]

Good interview with them/her, that I watched and listened to all the way to the end. As I read some of these comments below, I think som people who commented did not listen all the way to the end. R. Derek Black explained that her pronouns are They/She, and that they/she indentifies as Trans. So writing He and Mr and Guy in the comments is not respecting her/their identity.

[@DH-uw3us]

They are confused.

[@hildeschmid8400]

I like how you phrased this. You weren't denigrating the commenters, just giving a gentle reminder. I'm 68, but when I saw the pronouns in the title, I realized to use non-specific pronouns. I wish them all the best, and am planning to buy their book.

[@Donnie-Lee-Gringo]

@@DH-uw3us or possibly you are not open minded enough to let go of your possible confusion ?

[@DH-uw3us]

@@Donnie-Lee-Gringo Rewatch the interview. They even admitted themself that they are confused. Unless this person is a hermaphrodite, they don't have a leg to stand on. They are making this a lot more complicated than it is, but it's very simple.

[@seppo532]

@@DH-uw3us yeah, I bet it’s hard to come out as a transgender woman when you’ve grown up in the Kkk-especially when it’s pretty mainstream to attack transgender women! I bet the nonbinary identity feels like the much safer option. If they identified as a trans woman, the comment section would be full of hatred. If you’re not 100% sure about your identity, that open hostility can really suck.

[@cathypreston1095]

Good on you. Thank you for sharing your experiences. Indoctrinating children and vulnerable people seem to learn that (All-or-nothing' thinking, a reluctance to question authority, intense fear of punishment and a lack of empathy for non-believers) You are a brave and kind soul.

[@pauobunyon9791]

No matter what you did or believed anyone can learn and change if the desire is sincere

[@gittel_malky]

Very intelligent and well-spoken person.

[@pppantz]

Education isn't just school. Experience among people that are different than ourselves is valuable knowledge. I am in rural Colorado now and I see the ignorance that comes with a lack of experiences prevalent. People that do not experience a varied life and remain insulated can convince themselves of anything.

[@LisaLGruman]

Very special interview. Very special to see the transformation in this super articulate, caring person. Thank you for presenting this.

[@mattlohr]

Just finished this book. It's a hell of a story.

[@marquitaarmstrong399]

David Duke. Shivers from the past. Thanks for sharing your story. Derek.

[@ComradeCatpurrnicus]

A testament to education and socialization. When we learn to critically think and socialize around people with differences, we're all better off and more likely to be empathetic and understanding people. I'm so glad they were able to escape ❤

[@insaneclownponies9599]

As an enby who has their own complicated history with far-right ideals (though more of the national populist variety than anything racial), Derek's story inspires me to wanna recount my own history. To relay the nuances of my own experiences and how I ultimately got away from it.

[@victoriagallop9164]

This young man has a lot of courage

[@wholeshebang1]

You mean, "this young *person."* _They_ said _they_ are exploring _their _*_transgender identity,_* and the last question asked by the host was about the *change* in _their _*_pronouns._* Try to *respect* _their_ choice.

[@chrischase7300]

Wow! What a great interview.

[@hooliganlexx]

It takes courage to break the cycle. ❤

[@devos3212]

Gonna pick up their book today

[@djack915]

Brave and smart ❤

[@janetpartyka5968]

Good job, Derek!! This is a teachable moment if there ever was one.

[@billnickels6667]

Wow. Prescient ideas. Brilliant social observation

[@shermanwellons]

Bravo to this young man👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾

[@i-6820]

I’ve shared this video with everyone I know and then some. I only wish it could have been shared sooner but better late than never. This offers so much hope! We can only hope for the amount of insight it took to get here.

[@SparklyCoconut-le3fu]

Great interview

[@MrTimothy87]

I commend you for your change..we all grow from the mistakes we make and it takes a big person to know amd to change..May God bless you..

[@maxpower3036]

Does anyone else find it ironic that his family name is Black? 😛

[@coimbralaw]

Nah only you. Go to the hood and talk sh** to black people. Let us know how they worked out for you, tough guy.

[@SamClemens-id3cl]

4:42 Wow. Just, wow! His dad always look like that; or this just a bad photo. Terrifying!

[@61Wolves-yt4yk]

People like this are our people because they want a better America for not only now but the future of America ..look at all the beautiful children in this world why would we destroy their future ??!!

[@bon9410]

Education should be teaching people to think critically. It should not tell them what to think. Students should feel free to share themselves and ideas with others. This young man is truly a good example of self awareness and others being open enough to listen and share other perspectives with him. His courage to share his personal experiences is commendable and shows that we can all change and look at one another with respect and dignity.

[@nicki66]

I own a firm that supports organization’s journey to be more inclusive and what they say resonates with me. I firmly believe that while sometimes difficult and subjecting yourselves to people who hold beliefs that trigger you at your core, it is crucial to come at these discussions without judgement to help yourself to understand who the person is and what are the underlying reasons they believe what they believe.

[@msoda8516]

They are a perfect example of why the far right is attacking education and libraries, knowledge is truly power. Knowledge is the power to truly think for yourself

[@caroljackson9363]

Congratulations on your new journey!💙

[@8ofwands300]

Wish the interviewer had asked about Derek's current family relationships. Especially with parents.

[@batgirlp5561]

In a previous interview he said they were estranged

[@wisconsinfarmer4742]

@@batgirlp5561 That is helpful. We are not obliged to remain with toxic relatives.

[@maryegarcia2432]

Thank you for your bravery! To rise above your upbringing and share your growth is a gift and inspiration to us all! It is important to recognize that our colleges are under attack because they can be so transformative and challenge the status quo. Thank you for bringing this to light for us all.

[@vivalaleta]

People can grow and change their minds but if you are sociopath you don't gain empathy.

[@you2angel1]

The bravest of souls can look into the ugliness of from which they came & turn from it °~•.☆.•~° Remarkable people.

[@EllieM_Travels]

Very intelligent and thoughtful. Thank you for sharing!

[@SusanMCraig]

"Speak up for the world you want to see " wise words from a thoughtful young man who has truly seen both sides

[@Rnankn]

If it isn’t clear to everyone, we’re all African and we’re all transgendered. Trans, is perhaps, the freedom to be as masculine, feminine, or androgynous, as you want. And we’re all African - because all of our ancestors come from Africa. So the distinctions are personally meaningful, but politically immaterial. If rights can be eroded for some people, they can be eroded for anyone.

[@Maliceless100]

EGAD

[@thinkingtoomuch7680]

“If they come for me in the morning, they will come for you in the night.”― Angela Davis

[@sunshinedenney8695]

Yes! If we are truly fighting for equality, it doesn't matter. It only matters to those who insist upon a hierarchy.

[@tonyjones1560]

🎯🎯🎯🎯 A lot of these fascist or “fascist adjacent” types don’t realize that authoritarian regimes are truly pitiless entities. If you’re not at the tippy top of the pile, you’re one wrong word in the right ear from winding up on a list you REALLY don’t want to be on. So happens that I had a college professor who was living in Germany when Hitler came to power. The “thought police” hit the ground running, escalated when the war started and then doubled and tripled down as it became apparent that Germany would lose. At this point, it’s safe to assume that anyone in the USA who is advocating for what amounts to fascism under the guise of “liberty” is either an idiot or has an agenda…

[@akosuakoranteng3327]

Word!

[@ramdularsingh1435]

Nice in interview !....