Kristin Du Mez: Project 2025 Will Redefine Constitution in Name of Christianity | Amanpour and Co.

[@mw354]

It wasn’t a “Christian” America. People fled here for freedom of religion. So they could worship as they chose. there is a separation of church and state according to the constitution

[@Val-uy2me]

They really don't care about the Constitution. Trump now has the Supreme Court on his side. They want to tear it all down and force the rest of us to adhere to there rules about morality. Their hatred for liberals is all-consuming.

[@douglasrasmussen480]

Initially some came to America to flee religious persecution. Ironically, history shows many of these religions became persecutors in their own right. But I would say after that initial influx of religious exodists, people came to America for opportunity to have a better life.

[@xjarheadjohnson]

The Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern, civil law & governance. The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion. *Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office* _"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_* This means nobody is ever required to swear to a god or on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a god or religious book, but none is required. Thomas Jefferson and Calvin Coolidge did not use a Bible in their oath-taking ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt did not use the Bible when taking the oath in 1901, nor did John Quincy Adams, who swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution. _"In this enlightened age and in this land of equal liberty, _*_it is our boast,_*_ that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest offices that are known in the United States."_ *-George Washington* (To the Members of the New Jerusalem Church of Baltimore, 27 January 1793) _“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_ *- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president) _“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_ *-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797* ....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything. A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli. The Supreme Court released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote: _"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that _*_our government is not based on the Christian religion and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_* _"Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?"_ *- James Madison 4th president* (A Memorial And Remonstrance, On The Religious Rights Of Man: Written In 1784-85)

[@acarter4865]

Most of the colonies were founded by investors interested only in profit. Look it up

[@captainkirk4514]

The MAGA cult has seized upon the Christian religion as a tool and have perverted it by convincing their followers that the 1st amendment clause on the separation of church and state that they are taking God out of America, while it's quite the opposite. It guarantees the right to practice religion, any religion freely without government interference, or force. These people are not about true Christian values. Their about oppression and control, and it's our own ignorance, ignorance of our own history, the history of the ealy and mid 20th century, the constitution and what it actually says is how these people have gotten this far. It has been said fascism will not come from abroad. Fascism will come to America wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross. It's ignorance that could lead us to be the beggars to our own demise.

[@anthonypanneton923]

It seems Margaret Atwood wasn't too far off. Reality is more bizarre than fiction. Thanks Kristin. Brilliant woman. She is absolutely spot on the mark with this stuff.

[@ywtcc]

She's projecting what her feminism does to men and families in her society. Feminism, financialization, and the cult of work all go hand in hand, politically and historically. Debt obligations and workplace expectations, and their social fallout, were very predictable, even in the 50s.

[@anthonypanneton923]

@@ywtcc WTF are you talking about???

[@ywtcc]

@@anthonypanneton923 She was writing her fiction simultaneous with the mass eviction of men from family into work in her society. You're never going to appreciate Civil Rights, and equality, until you start telling both sides of the story. You can't do analysis otherwise. Just fiction!

[@stevepierce6467]

@@ywtcc Quit talking in platitudes...say something concrete and specific, like "competent and well-prepared women are taking jobs that slackers like me could once count on."

[@stephenwalker850]

@@ywtccbuuuuulllshhheeeeeeeeeeet

[@ld4974]

"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" -Sinclair Lewis

[@Sonicman415]

Yep.. and here we are. Vote blue.

[@sharonnoble3877]

"It Can't Happen Here." But here we are.

[@daphneywaggoner9481]

And he was absolutely correct

[@thebookelf2135]

​@@sharonnoble3877complacency and privilege... I suspect people who vote for (at this juncture) Republicans believe that their lives will continue unchanged and that the only people affected will be those "others". The current Republican plan will touch everyone's assumed freedoms. We ignore the online training (indoctrination) of of the Christian Nationist project 2025 candidates at our own peril no matter even if we vote for republican, All will be Suspect. A Fifth Column is being established while we live complacently. VOTE BLUE. Trump himself is promising (today, 7/25/24) "Vote for me and you will never have to vote again. Christians, vote and I will fix it all." VOTE 💙 BLUE. We need a democratic House, Senate and Executive. Vote 💙 Blue for a future rooted in constitutional freedoms and responsibilities. Vote 💙 for future generations.

[@phoenixtoash2396]

I've been crying for days now. It's not ok. I should just lay down and never wake.

[@barryepstein2816]

I'm so very grateful that this program and PBS has been covering many of the great threats to US democracy. Keep up the great work.

[@Buttercup697]

The people who NEED to see this won’t.

[@janthomas7094]

@@Buttercup697 It's on KZbin too though so some will

[@carriefox1146]

​@janthomas7094 It's been on a lot of the media and gaining attention. The Heritage Foundation and Trump's impulsivity are a real threat to democracy. I hope Americans are paying attention.

[@GingerSnaps1368]

@@Buttercup697 Take heart hun, word is getting out. 🤗❤

[@CarlAfrika]

Also pubic broadcasting of all sorts is on the chopping block in the Project 2025 agenda for obvious reasons

[@lauraz3580]

As a secular person, I found this to be very informative. Sadly, we will have to be vigilant and push back on these extreme idiologies, not only now, but years to come.

[@lulup1029]

Vote blue, whether KH is great or not. It may be last vote we ever get!

[@irispasell8202]

@lauraz3580 Voting Blue straight down the Ballot is the only way to start eliminating it from taking over all of us!!

[@treyquattro]

how is this any different from Saudi Arabia, or Iran, or Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or any other theocracy? America is based on Enlightenment thinking, not stone-age authoritarian thinking.

[@bofpp7951]

Bingo!!! 🎯 There is ZERO difference between these objectively theocratic regimes - complete with full on subjugation & oppression - and these Christo-Fascists are happy to grind down those they hate!!! It's the grossest form of theological hypocrisy!!!

[@xjarheadjohnson]

It not different & it is why the Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern, civil law & governance. The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion. *Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office* _"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_* This means nobody is ever required to swear to a god or on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a god or religious book, but none is required. Thomas Jefferson and Calvin Coolidge did not use a Bible in their oath-taking ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt did not use the Bible when taking the oath in 1901, nor did John Quincy Adams, who swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution. _"In this enlightened age and in this land of equal liberty, _*_it is our boast,_*_ that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest offices that are known in the United States."_ *-George Washington* (To the Members of the New Jerusalem Church of Baltimore, 27 January 1793) _“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_ *- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president) _“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_ *-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797* ....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything. A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli. The Supreme Court released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote: _"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that _*_our government is not based on the Christian religion and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_* _"Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?"_ *- James Madison 4th president* (A Memorial And Remonstrance, On The Religious Rights Of Man: Written In 1784-85)

[@imperialmotoring3789]

Good point. We need to deport every illegal.

[@ronsanchez6992]

@@treyquattro Christian principles became the basis for America being the first nation to abolish slavery in the world. That's how it is different. Those "Stone Age" principles would be the Ten Commandments

[@treyquattro]

@@ronsanchez6992 Ten Commandments written by men, not gods. As you know, religion is used to argue vehemently FOR slavery by so-called Christians as much, or more, than it is against. Religion has no place in civic life. You wouldn't be so blase about it if Oklahoma had decided to impose Sharia Law on everyone instead of excerpts from another book of fiction.

[@loripeterson495]

Christian Nationalism has always been around - different names, i.e., Moral Majority, Tea Party, Families First, etc. Their voice has just been lower level until now with MAGA and Trump. Trump is not a politician. He does not care how the country functions, only that it gives him power. He is a typical heavy handed corporate animal, looking for the most from the least. He saw a golden opportunity with the Christian Nationalists to achieve this status and promoted and used them to the extreme degree that we are seeing today. A great degree if power is now in their hands and we should be aware and alert to how our basic tenets and constitution are vulnerable. Even with Trump gone, this faction will still be a threat.

[@ThomasSheehan-j1r]

Focus On the Family,older bro caught that virus rite around time he got involved in some Amway type shit up in hogholler northern mi. Amway and Blackwater are synonymous. at least Blackwater had to move overseas and change it's name. a cult is a cult is....

[@ronsanchez6992]

@loripeterson495 The Propaganda of the Left has taken root deep in your brain. You must ask yourself, was the nation better off four years ago or are you ok with high crime, inflation, loss of sovereignty with open borders and total ineptitude the current regime? Here's the cure: Vote Trump/Vance and... Make America 🇺🇸 Great Again!!

[@ronsanchez6992]

@loripeterson495 Trump doesn't need political power, the Demonrats do. Trump loves America and will make it great again just like he did the first time. Make America 🇺🇸 Great Again Trump 2024!!

[@tammypaulin1]

The sad thing is they will never be able to control him.

[@marthamagda2054]

Yes the Moral Majority.....I remember

[@jeanneamato8278]

We will not allow that monster to destroy this country.

[@johnmott887]

It is rampant non-repentant sinners who are destroying this country.

[@francisdavis1271]

There's more than one monster: Shelley's Creature wasn't mindless and if you read her book even finishes the narrative. MAGA is a mindless mob; embracing violence.

[@renewilson2540]

It's not just Trump. He is just the current individual they are using.

[@johnmott887]

@renewilson2540 Christianity is not oppressive, it is freeing. It frees you from the bandage of sin. Read the gospels and ask God to reveal himself to you through his word. If you sincerely seek him you will find him.

[@mboaz4730]

@@johnmott887 So freeing that it will liberate you from your heartbeat. God is revealing himself alright, through his followers. When Trump starts his Civil War, I am heading for his churches first. We know whose fault this is.

[@barrylane1055]

My God!!! All Americans of good faith should hear this interview!!!

[@RS-rz9xj]

What's "good" faith? What's "bad" faith? Define your terms.

[@johntucker5994]

Kristin Kobes Du Mez was an excellent guest. Thank you.

[@genevieveweston671]

This is not my definition of Christianity. There are excellent reasons to keep Church and State separate for the well being of both

[@JohnMiller-hg7ty]

Amen!

[@lulup1029]

Vote Blue for sake of democracy, whether KH is great or not so much! May be last vote we ever get! (Per DT).

[@richpisula8336]

Amen...they will persecute sabbath keeping Christians...they aim to go after and destroy Protestants who worship on the 7th day.... The remnant . God Is in control

[@Toomanydays]

Christian taliban is more like it.

[@EvangelismforGod]

That’s what I’ve been calling it as well.

[@DennisMoore664]

Y'allqaeda

[@capitalt3977]

Far-right thinking and emotions are the same regardless of the particular culture they're in.

[@sumiland6445]

Legislating "christian values" = Sharia Law

[@tejanoj3017]

MAGA domestic terrorist Karens.

[@mariacamilamachadoalmeida3292]

This is the second interview with Professor Du Mez I watch. I hope the channel can educate the average middle class, highschool students and college students , all American people who want to keep the USA free, united and democratic when it comes to the next elections should watch the Professor, buy her book before it is too late. Thank you very much for the interview, from Southern Brasil

[@irispasell8202]

Vote Blue Straight down the Ballot

[@neiljeffers4746]

Cult 😳

[@JohnMiller-hg7ty]

Yep

[@alexcitron5159]

Great insight! I feel similarly to Kristin about faith -- I value mine, but don't want it brought into government in that way. Always appreciate Amanpour & Co. videos.

[@RS-rz9xj]

That makes sense. Religious study and faith (sometimes two different things) are wonderful. Force and exclusion are not.

[@brendaechols5929]

You know how much harassment people would experience. People will not be protected. What a nightmare!

[@sylviabaldwin8976]

Outstanding interview! Thank you from Germany (yes, Europeans are very concerned).

[@hopespringseternal2624]

Oh, my goodness, this was so good for helping me understand more fully what the Christian nationals are trying to accomplish. I am a Christian who loves the Jesus of the bible and Trump scares me so much. This gives me more information on which to base my prayers regarding the election. Thank you so much for this!

[@JayFreeburn]

I am a Christian and Trump scares me too. Project 2025 is scary too. It’s not America it’s Iran. It’s much like Germany in the 1930s. Christian’s gave power to Hitler, he didn’t have to take it.

[@TR4R]

From an Agnostic: you don't need a church to establish your beliefs. You'll be fine. I dropped out from Catholic Church after learning a couple of things about their doctrine and their *political* ideas. If you need a sense of community there are many helping groups out there, not my cup of tea personally.

[@hopespringseternal2624]

@@TR4R Fair enough. Thank you for sharing. Mine is a somewhat different background. I established my belief from the Bible and from personally seeing the risen Christ.

[@gnw1264]

@@TR4R You don't get to tell her what she doesn't need. We have freedom to choose.

[@joycej9415]

​@@gnw1264we did, now Project 2025 will take away our freedoms

[@Rhythmicons]

This is conservative social engineering.

[@MyWalk3296]

Worse, what they haven't released is even worse

[@PrettyWhiteLady]

Nazis ring a bell - not far off

[@lipshamorrissey4636]

What exactly are conservatives conserving? Not money, Pussygrabber ran up historic debt. Not the environment, bc drill baby drill. Not individual liberties and less government, since they've used government to rob me and all US women of ours. So, what? What are they conserving? Decency? Empathy? Human compassion?

[@alabamapilot244]

These people always seem to have a profound problem with the concept of consent.

[@beefandbarley]

They are all, at minimum, sociopaths. Socios don’t care about or respect other living things.

[@jannanijland5336]

so true!

[@phoenixtoash2396]

They believe they have a right to torture and terrorize humanity.

[@narda1072]

Exactly.

[@robinantonio8870]

Narcissists, the lot of them. It's all about entitlement and power

[@worzi3]

We must NOT have a theocracy!

[@JohnMiller-hg7ty]

Amen!

[@brettcampbell778]

These "Christians" have enemies? Didn't Jesus say love your enemies? Pharisees may be gone, but there's no shortage of hypocrites.

[@chuckwilson980]

I've found that they are totally blind to their own hypocrisy.

[@jameskase917]

Check this hypocrisy: Kamala placed as Democrat prez nominee without 1 vote from the Democrat people. No primary, no votes. The Democrat party has succesfully bypassed democracy. Do u not see it?

[@buzoff4642]

@@chuckwilson980 Not so. They "don't want to talk about it". They've been compelled to believe they're "saving souls", aka anti-any abortion for any reason. And have no intention of entering the deadly muddy waters of incomplete miscarriage, etc.

[@brads2041]

The Pharisees aren't gone. Paul warned the early church about this. The pharisees never left

[@nobody8328]

They are quite literally worshiping a golden idol, and just won't see.

[@desertsunset81arcticfox2]

Having been in the conservative Christian and the Evangelical movement in the 60-70s , I can see that project 2025 ios the logical conclusion, and find it terrifying.

[@EdwardM-t8p]

Same here except I was in it in the 1970s - 80s.

[@kbclady2674]

Yes it is.

[@kbclady2674]

Yes it's horrific!

[@edwardfischer3944]

Project 2025 The outline for the setting up of a christofascist oligarchy

[@kimh5566]

Yes. It is a plan to establish more power under the executive branch, eliminate benefits and basically undermine the constitution. When Trump says "you won't have to vote again" he means it. It is over 900 pages. But you can look it up on Wikipedia for a quicker understanding. Also look up Heritage Foundation. And vote!

[@louisbifano142]

Don't believe anything trump says

[@davidlafleche1142]

Republicans hate Christians.

[@imperialmotoring3789]

Don't believe anything Loius says

[@sanjuansteve]

Or anything that any other Drumpf supporting right wing conservative says either. They'll go full Nazi if we let them.

[@louisbifano142]

@@imperialmotoring3789 you can't even spell

[@imperialmotoring3789]

@@louisbifano142 Sorry to misspell your name Princess. Don't get mad Lois.

[@razony]

Thankful I been a free thinking Ex-Christian for 38 years.

[@KateCart]

I've been a free thinking Christian for over 40 years. God gave man free will, even for His offer of Salvation to the world. Project 2025 is taking what God gave us away. You can't MAKE ANYONE BE ANYTHING THEY DONT WANT TO BE!!!

[@razony]

@KateCart So, you think your God can? 'His offer?' That was man that created sin and convinced YOU of sin & salvation. Read John 14:12-14 You can do works Jesus has? Walk on water? That takes faith though. Peter supposedly had the faith to walk on water. Talk is really cheap these days. Where's the Christians walk...

[@bonniegaither3994]

The Heritage foundation was founded by Jerry Falwell. It is very much a religious organization.

[@communitygardener17]

It also receives $$$ from Charles Koch.

[@joycej9415]

​@@communitygardener17Yes! And that is key!!!

[@francoisbouvier7861]

Wonderful interview. Knowledge that every American should be required to view.

[@frankiewho6173]

Great program. MAGA /2025 goes out with a BLUE wave.. VOTE VOTE BLUE

[@belladonnatook8851]

☀🌊🌊🌊💙🌀🌀🌀💙🌊🌊🌊🏄

[@courtneybrubaker9738]

Blue tsunami 🌊

[@johanne6241]

And how do you reach the trumpers? Millions of Americans fed daily with lies are ready to follow TFG in dictatorship. Pathetic.

[@quantum_cricket8555]

Biblical marriage?? The Old Testament is full of POLYGAMY 🙄

[@5353Jumper]

And why can the nation not have both "legally married" and "holy matrimony" as two different concepts that co-exist? That couples could be one or the other or both. That the religious marriage could be from any religious belief unrestricted by the government, but also supplemented by legal marriage.

[@traog]

@@5353Jumper Isn't that what they have now?

[@5353Jumper]

@traog yes, and that is what they are trying to terminate.

[@melissad8824]

Exactly! How many wives did dear old King David have? And why doesn't anyone pay attention to where in the book of David their god actually threatens to r*pe David's wives because he didn't do exactly as he was told?

[@phoenixtoash2396]

That is disgusting.

[@AdalbertPtak]

One thing that is needed, right now, is the complete and total Governmental defunding of any and all religious institutions, such as schools, colleges universities and more.

[@markdouglas8073]

The government does not fund Christian schools. They operate under nonprofit law.

[@buzoff4642]

And tax exemption. I see no reason for 501C. For churches, or any other social organizations.

[@ronsanchez6992]

@user-pp6fx7si4g religious institutions are self funded, non profits are tax exempt.

[@aclem8246]

Just the idea that the GOP want to get rid of social security and medicare should have all American's not voting Rep.

[@BillLeonard-c8s]

Interesting comment. Untrue but interesting. Neither party has endorsed getting rid of social security or Medicare. The closest thing to the demise of social security was LBJ’s raiding the SS fund to finance his Vietnam fiasco. Moving the SS fund to the general accounting side of the federal ledger has led to the insolvency of social security. Thank you democrats!

[@jordandavies6970]

@@BillLeonard-c8s No it was Ronald Reagan who raided social security and gave back an IOU not LBJ

[@phoenixtoash2396]

They want to do that to try and starve us into converting. It's not gonna work. I'd rather starve.

[@phoenixtoash2396]

​@@BillLeonard-c8sit's absolutely stated in project 2025

[@narda1072]

@@BillLeonard-c8swhy are you so naive and uninformed

[@charlotteblackman429]

Thank you for stating what no one else can seem to do. Project 2025 is labeled as a Conservative Plan. But, once you begin reading its contents and the Advisory Board members. You discover that they're not trying to keep church & state separate. No, their plan is a Conservative Christian Plan to wrap church & state together as one entity.

[@buzoff4642]

As of the early 1970s, the international elite were very angry about losing control over the publics. Church loss of control over populations was one of their frustrations aired.

[@5353Jumper]

Well not really "conservative" as it is full of inefficiency and changes they want to make. I would label Proh3ct 2025 and most of the Republican party as Regressive. They are pretty far from being conservative.

[@charlotteblackman429]

@@5353JumperAnd, unfortunately the old guard Republican Party is gone now. Now, most people that identify as Republican. Are in fact tRumpublicans. The last of the original Republican party was swept away with Liz Cheney and any other Republicans that went against tRump. Liz Cheney lost her bid for reelection by Harriet Hageman. I tRump loyalist.

[@buzoff4642]

@@5353Jumper It is regressive. There's nothing conservative, nor capitalism for that matter, about retooling the economy and government to bloat ineffective bilking business. Remarkably, media's been labeling it [x-]capitalism, avoiding calling it what it is, corruption. A huge step forward, eliminate party-affiliation, from voter registration. We need to stop enabling/arming the corruption of the parties, and boot them back out of the processes of voting. It is inherently a conflict of interests.

[@joycej9415]

And it will be their version of the cult, other religions will be crushed.

[@MustafarRecRoom]

“Under his eye….” It’s coming….unless we all vote against it.

[@joycej9415]

I did but sadly here we are anyhow, thanks to the cult

[@hubrisonics9517]

Project 2025 should be called Project 1125. That was the year during which the Unholy Crusades began.

[@tejanoj3017]

For some, church is a business. You see them in your community.

[@buzoff4642]

Well documented, in early 1970s' Trilateral Commission's "The Crisis Of Democracy" report. In which the international elite complained of "an excess of democracy".

[@joeblow5087]

Churches should pay taxes.

[@philstanton231]

DJT calls Project radical, and then appoints JD - LMAO. Be part of history people, VOTE KAMALA - VOTE BLUE

[@ronsanchez6992]

@@philstanton231 vote Kamala, at your peril.

[@TypeOneg]

Wow. See that? Sounds like a threat. @FBI

[@narda1072]

@@ronsanchez6992yes i prefer that peril than trumps

[@ZenWithMe108]

Very well said, every word is true

[@huibdevriend1328]

Thanks for your clever analysis Kristin. From the European perspective it is not always easy to understand what is going on in US elections and what Trumpism is about. In Europe we're also dealing with nationalist-populist parties that call for 'the defence of our Christian-Jewish identity', which is translated into 'a stop on immigration' and undermining the rule of law and press freedom.

[@marysharvey]

We have never been a “Christian” nation. We fled Europe for that very reason. We are a nation of diversity and the freedom to choose! Let’s make sure we keep it that way!

[@danmcgov123]

Religion ruins everything

[@geofflewis8599]

Good work Kristin..

[@terrygelinas4593]

The Constitution stipulates separation of Church and State - this came from founding fathers

[@Val-uy2me]

Clearly, the GOP does not care about separation of Church and State. This is where we are headed if Trump wins in November. Really scary stuff.

[@Ropeorsnake]

the Constitution is being thrown out the window by Supreme Court and this creeping US Conservatism

[@xjarheadjohnson]

That's right. The Founding Fathers deemed *ALL* religions unfit for modern, civil law & governance. The *1st Amendment's Establishment Clause* prohibits the government from making any law, _“respecting an establishment of religion.”_ This clause not only forbids the government from establishing an official religion, but also prohibits government actions that unduly favor one religion over another. It also prohibits the government from unduly preferring religion over non-religion. *Constitution Article VI Supreme Law - Clause 3 Oaths of Office* _"The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; _*_but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."_* This means nobody is ever required to swear to a god or on the Bible, or any other religious book for an oath of office. They may choose a god or religious book, but none is required. Thomas Jefferson and Calvin Coolidge did not use a Bible in their oath-taking ceremonies. Theodore Roosevelt did not use the Bible when taking the oath in 1901, nor did John Quincy Adams, who swore on a book of law, with the intention that he was swearing on the constitution. _"In this enlightened age and in this land of equal liberty, _*_it is our boast,_*_ that a man's religious tenets will not forfeit the protection of the laws, nor deprive him of the right of attaining and holding the highest offices that are known in the United States."_ *-George Washington* (To the Members of the New Jerusalem Church of Baltimore, 27 January 1793) _“The United States is not a Christian nation any more than it is a Jewish or Mohammedan Nation.”_ *- John Adams* (American statesman, attorney, diplomat, writer, Founding Father & 2nd president) _“...the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion."_ *-Treaty of Tripoli - June 7, 1797. Signed by President John Adams & Ratified UNANIMOUSLY, by the Senate June 10, 1797* ....only a few times in history the Senate unanimously agreed on anything. A 2018 Supreme Court Ruling re-affirmed this statement, from The Treaty of Tripoli. The Supreme Court released an opinion on May 14, 2018 in Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Assn., 584 U. S. (2018), Justice Thomas in his concurring opinion wrote: _"The Treaty of Tripoli was passed by the Senate and signed into law by President John Adams. As such, it is a "legislated text" which must be read "textually". The lower courts in this case read a hypothetical legislative intention into the text by dismissing Article 11 as "a mere formality". The language itself makes a clear direct statement that _*_our government is not based on the Christian religion and any attempt by a government official to represent our government as Christian contradicts the text and the historical understanding of our founders."_* _"Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?"_ *- James Madison 4th president* (A Memorial And Remonstrance, On The Religious Rights Of Man: Written In 1784-85)

[@imperialmotoring3789]

The Constitution demands protection from invasion. Let's get the illegals out of here.

[@buzoff4642]

Cherry picking. Both sides of the aisle, cherry picking which laws are applicable, which parts are applicable and cherry picking who they're applicable to. The pulsing of citizenry lives', blown out of the water. With it, so went economic, political and cultural stability.

[@davidk1493]

Trump has absolutely no use for the 10 essential ethical values of Christianity and repudiates them day after day after day. 1. Love (spurned) 2. Forgiveness (spurned) 3. Humility (spurned) 4. Compassion (spurned) 5. Justice (spurned) 6. Honesty (spurned) 7. Faithfulness (spurned) 8. Patience (spurned) 9. Generosity (spurned) 10. Gratitude (spurned)

[@pjpugapillarfan2750]

This is not in bible dude! Your shit list is a joke! Go read the Real 10 Commandments which is what YOU ARE MOCKING. Careful what you say it is written GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED

[@valiizajames925]

Preach!

[@loveoneanother881]

Not a one. He does embody the Seven Deadly Sins, though. And the lawless one. History has produced many that fit their end days prophecies, but the proponents intend it to enslave people and become the overlords. Steven Miller who puts stolen babies in cages and then adopts them out to be forever lost to the mother whose arms he ripped them out of? Oh sure, the AntiChrist or Satan because they are a living hell.

[@nobody8328]

I've long said that trump is the physical embodiment of the 7 deadly sins. And im not even christian!

[@daphneywaggoner9481]

But he is useful for pushing through their orthodoxy through to subjugate the rest of us.

[@The_Opinion_of_Matt]

To answer the hosts question of "Why is this the ascendant version of Christianity?"; it is simple to answer. This is the "ascendant" version because this version holds that it's adherents and believers are correct to force other to follow these beliefs. It is about power, control, a feeling of supremacy and a sick satifaction in punishing the people that they feel are "less than". Edit: reworded a section for readability.

[@theQuestion626]

The real problem is that this is not Christianity. Allow me to clarify, one of the chief issues is that this is not Christianity. The journalist Chris hedges understood and spoke against this quite accurately. This is heresy masquerading as Christianity. As hedges understood, these individuals purporting to be “Christians“ are nothing but cynical apostates. Their words and actions do not correspond to the message of Jesus. Instead what they correlate to quite strongly is theocratic fascism. The parallels between their words and actions in the words of actions of the Italian fascists and the German fascists are very close to being almost identical. And what is worse is that Trump is so incompetent and so much of a cynical opportunist that he would not even for one moment hesitate to take a second look at project 2025. All he knows is that it will give him more wealth more prestige more power and essentially keep him where he wants to be: golfing, tweeting, holding rallies and pretending like he is working for America while looting the American treasury.

[@JadeLanay]

yep it’s a sexual fetish, they get turned on having power over all peoples lives and bodies, especially the people that they hate and despise, the more people r scared the more it arouses them, i swear to God it 100% is a sexual fetish they have, to empose their power upon all of society, it gets them more aroused then anything ever possibly could! it’s a disgusting demonic fetish!

[@phoenixtoash2396]

They have no power over us. None of them can make anyone believe how they want. They are demons. They lie and they believe in only evil.

[@BethGrantDeRoos]

Interesting fact. Over a dozen groups whose names appeared on the Project 2025 Mandate For Leadership: The Conservative Promise have asked that their names be removed. Have spent the last 8 days reading the publication. Which is available ONLINE.

[@belladonnatook8851]

*Cowards.* Let them own it!

[@erikbuchanan4648]

How much wine did you drink to make it through over 900 pages of hate?

[@chriscupp]

I have read parts of it. What do you say to conservative colleagues who refuse to believe Project 2025 is part of the current Republican party's platform?

[@BethGrantDeRoos]

@@chriscupp First off have they read the entire Project 2025 publication? As well as the 2024 Republican Party Platform? Both are available online. Both being conservative they both have similar suggestions. But a suggestion is just that, a suggestion.🙂 Unless someone makes the effort to read publications how can they discuss what is in it? Fact is, too many people regardless of their political leanings have a bad habit of not doing their homework. They rely on hearsay, or edited segments of a publication to make their point as to why they dislike the publication. The Project 2025 clearly states 'This work, Mandate for Leadership 2025: The Conservative Promise, is a collective effort of hundreds of volunteers who have banded together in the spirit of advancing positive change for America. Our work is by no means the comprehensive compendium of conservative policies, nor is our group the exclusive cadre of conservative thinkers. The ideas expressed in this volume are not necessarily shared by all. What unites us is the drive to make our country better.' Maybe it's because we are longtime homeschoolers, with liberal arts degrees from great universities, but I never go on hearsay, I do my homework. It's a long publication, and akin to a dry, somewhat boring university class. But I took ten days to slowly read it and think about what I read. And I am glad I did. People also need to be reminded that the House and Senate would still have to approve of any ideas put forth Project 2025.🙂 Which is why who one votes for House and/or Senate is so important.

[@buzoff4642]

@@chriscupp That's it's every bit as much of Far Right's agenda, as open borders is of Far Left's. Are they too going to let it be taken to the breaking point?

[@leslietascoff9784]

I love Prof Du Mez! 😎❤ Thank you Amanpour!

[@jenniferamyx78]

Outstanding interview with a great historian doing very, very important work.

[@lamacumeca]

Great episode! Money is the root of all evil. Follow the money. They are after power. VOTE BLUE 💙

[@donmc1950]

A good example of North American Christion Nationalism was the Province of Quebec in the 1st half of the 20th century where the Catholic Church determined the social order under the Duplessis government. The priests told women how many children to have. The population went up, free speech was surpressed , and the Quebec economy stagnated.

[@BobPearson-zr1mi]

The idea that they know and use God's laws is ludicrous. They interpret the Bible as they please and pick and choose what they like and don't like.

[@loveoneanother881]

Exactly. And they forgot the Love your neighbor as yourself part. Well, they forgot the entire love part. But I do see the part about being put under a powerful delusion so they'll believe the lie. This one is true throughout time. So it must always be the last days.... 2Timothy3 But Mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God --- .... .... So also, these teachers oppose the truth. They are men of depraved minds, who, as far as the faith is concerned, are rejected. But they will not get very far because, as in the case of those men, their folly will be clear to everyone. 1 Timothy 6 False Teachers and the Love of Money. Strange book of character and morals, love, describes those who pervert the teachings because their agenda is financial gain. They are described as having a corrupt mind. They and their bad characters are described throughout. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. The rich are admonished to be generous, to share. Okay, that describes them, you think? What I find perrplexing is that for their ability to read and comprehend they just can't see themselves truthfully. They just can't see the resemblance to themselves.

[@dissipatedtaint]

Please Vote. Everyone. Get registered and go vote. Bring a friend. Bring multiple friends. But for the love of This Perpetual Union, please get out and vote, vote, VOTE 🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵🔵

[@davidwilfong5820]

This is the best explanation of p 2025 but a need to break it down for people more

[@secularsunshine9036]

*Join the Enlightenment, support Secular Humanism.* Christianity is in decline worldwide with over 70,000,000 million Americans being "NOT" religious. *America is a Secular Nation.*

[@MarkWinterrowd]

On our way to the American Inquisition.

[@nolongerblocked6210]

Sure feels like the American version of the Taliban

[@abbey319]

Not if you vote blue. Out of those 50,000 attendees at the RNC, 30,000 were journalists, many from abroad, in for the s**t show. Europeans, Australians, no one can believe he's allowed to run for president. Vote Blue!

[@phoenixtoash2396]

American mass extinction.

[@earthjustice01]

Great commentary! Americans are sleepwalking towards Christo-Fascism. Vote for Kamala!

[@tapuit1]

It would of course be very interesting to have a discussion with Kristin and Russ Vought on Amanpour & co. Agenda 25 needs to be thrown out entirely.

[@belladonnatook8851]

Project 2025 & Agenda 47!

[@zerbot44]

Most people don't believe something can happen until it happens. That's just human nature. Do not take a chance.🌊🌊🌊

[@fredrickmillstead2804]

Donald may state that "GOP 2025" is too extreme, but I would say Donald I don't believe you. My bet is that Trump is very pleased with the document, and IF elected will go out of his way to make it happen. For that reason I cannot vote for either his candidacy or the GOP in total.

[@michelledatey]

So well explained! I'm going to listen to her book!

[@michaelRay2576]

Everyone who viewed this session should know about the Dominionism and 7 Mountain Mandate which is Christian Nationalism.

[@narda1072]

They are all evil

[@robertyeats-un7qb]

"the government is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." John Adams "Religion neither is,or ever was a part of the common law."- Thomas Jefferson "Religion and government will both exist in greater purity the less they a mixed together."- James Madison VOTE BLUE 💙💙💙💙💙💙

[@minang7479]

Ask those Christian institutions (churches, schools etc) to start paying taxes as they start meddling in the politics.

[@joycej9415]

Start? They have been trying to get power forever. Remember the crusades.

[@nicholasarmstrong3769]

Very well explained 👏

[@markwilliams9855]

Redefine the Constitution? I think it will more likely completely gut it.

[@timothytikker1147]

Exactly! And this is why the Heritage Foundation repeatedly identifying Project 2025 as a "conservative" agenda is so hypocritical: it's actually completely subversive.

[@jeffbrinkerhoff5121]

Fascism arrives wrapped in the flag and waving a bible....

[@janicepalesch9221]

So utterly outrageous! Those are not my beliefs, and I will bet they are not the beliefs of millions of Americans. The Founding Fathers did not hold those beliefs, either. This is a battle for our nation's conscience and for our freedom. I hope we are ready.

[@bibiburns3236]

1. Jesus and John Wayne: How White Evangelicals Corrupted a Faith and Fractured a Nation (2020) by Kristin Kobes Du Mez (Author) 2. Strongmen: Mussolini to the Present (2021) by Ruth Ben-Ghiat

[@bonniegaither3994]

Jesus and John Wayne is a GREAT book. I highly recommend it!!!!

[@JAGRAFX]

These issues came to a critical boiling point when national statistics were beginning to demonstrate that mystical christian families were being outnumbered in America and were indeed becomming a minority themselves. Notice that this is the same timeframe that Congress and other democratic institutions have become less than useful tools to solve societal problems and we seem to be fighting for blood & soil now. 🎉

[@narda1072]

Congress is only like that because of the do nothing republicans. Thats the gameplan to break govt and make people think govt cant wrk

[@sumiland6445]

16:35 the divide is right down to the neighborhood churches, sadly. It's about being blessed and giving the church money. "Name it claim it", "God wants you to be rich", "Do as I say because God told me to tell you this ..." all grift. Forget feeding the poor and housing the homeless, loving the children, taking care of widows! That's not fun!! There's no monetary reward in that!! "If you're not rich then you're doing something wrong." 🥺 That is the true meaning of "TAKING GOD'S NAME IN VAIN"

[@BRUCE_the_MOOSE_]

The more you read Project 2025, the more it really looks more like Reject 1725

[@travelgranny]

It looks more like Germany 1933!

[@PrettyWhiteLady]

Donald Trump's vision for himself is not an "open question!!" It's staying out of prison!! Don't get it twisted.

[@narda1072]

Thats all his vision. And he is using Christian nationalism to get what he wants. He doesnt give a hoot about them

[@mattalley4330]

Most of these “Christians” would kick Jesus out of their churches if he tried to enter.

Good. Jesus was so gay. Give him a crown of thorns and nail him up.

[@joycej9415]

They certainly don't want anyone who looks like him to immigrate.

[@vincentstephenson2397]

I was worried before, I'm scared now.

Clinton, Harris, Obama and Liz won't go to jail. They will go to the wall. LOL JESUS is Lord and DJT is HIS slave.

[@stillherenow500]

I always replace the word "God" with "my Ego" when I hear these people talk. So, you must "follow "my Ego's" law" makes a lot more sense. No one can tell anyone else what God is. That has to be a personal experience. I have no interest in following someone else's Ego.

[@letsRegulateSociopaths]

Biblical marriage means that the man literally OWNS THE WOMAN

[@joycej9415]

Yes, and in reading Project 2025 it says the family will be defined as one man , one woman and their children. The next paragraph says that the husband shall be working. To me, this means women will be back to the 1950's, stay at home Mom's.

[@roymaduro571]

So happy to see this beautiful lady introduce the interview

[@LWfanboy]

That personnel list will really come in handy for the RICO trial.

[@dougwilliams7667]

I have left the church because of this. 💙🇺🇸

[@thinkitthrough8555]

"One day you will all be fighting the Christian fascists." -- James Luther Adams, c. 1986, professor at the Harvard Divinity School as told to Chris Hedges when he was a grad student there.

[@RJ420NL]

What's on the other side is Iran or at best N. Korea.

[@grosskid5664]

USA = religious freedom, these people should learn some history!!!

[@carolynperez862]

Why don't you just state clearly that he wants to be a dictator rather than a president?

[@rosspfeffer5185]

45 appears to build relationships with the authoritarian dictators of Russia and North Korea. It’s a playbook he longs to be a part of.

[@mathtrixmusiclix4248]

God, Guns and Gullibility

[@ElimanGibba]

I love her book. Kristin Du Mez is a very good writer. She has exposed Evangelicals as a cult .

[@JosePereira-kx1xl]

Christian Nationalism and Christianity are not the same. The former is not a religion, it’s a political ideology. Furthermore, Christian Nationalist are not Christian.

[@fairfaxcat1312]

Neither is the 1619 Project and Christianity.

[@communitygardener17]

​@@fairfaxcat1312Huh?

[@fairfaxcat1312]

@@communitygardener17 Christianity is not the same as the 1619 Project and the reorganization of our society on the basis of identity and “equity.”

[@Ruthie843]

This is no different than the Taliban in Afghanistan - crushing peoples rights and forcing and imposing their oppressive ideology. Jesus didn’t come to take over the Roman government. He came to love people, and that’s what we are to do to change the world.

[@poemandres]

If you truly love this Country and want to keep it as the Founder's intended...you can not sit this election out...This could very much be the last one in which your vote actually counts...Apathy is what the loonies want...This cult must be defeated...

[@narda1072]

Yes sir!

[@AlexHop1]

Thank you!

[@DennisMoore664]

Whatever happened to the "...indivisible, with liberty and justice for all" part of the pledge of allegiance?

[@carenwilson4902]

AGENDA 47, posted on Trump's campaign page, which is his agenda for when he wins the 2024 election and becomes the 47th president, directly correlates to the proposals in project 2025. It's essentially the same thing as project 2025.

[@AliciaMasterSprouter]

Funny thing though I went back to re read his agenda 47 and its gone. Please correct me if I am wrong but I agree with you. It was a heading on his campaign page, and it does match P 2025 but its now gone.

[@Calphool222]

I would love to see Kristin collaborate with someone like Russell Moore on another book that clearly spells out the history of Christian Nationalism. I think Moore would do a good job of rounding out Du Mez's scholarship in some ways. Du Mez is too harsh on Billy Graham for example (she needs to go read Graham's article in Parade Magazine, February 1981, where he literally calls out Jerry Falwell and the rest of these goobers at the beginning of this movement). Moore, as editor of Christianity Today, would be able to provide a more balanced perspective. I'd also like to see them spell out Paul Weyrich's role in this mess. His nasty fingerprints are all over these conservative think tanks and advocacy groups like Heritage Foundation. An expose on who he was and what he said would be powerful. He was vocally anti-democratic, but he founded or participated in the founding of so many of these organizations, and yet almost nobody knows anything about him. He's also an important link in the Catholic aspect of Christian Nationalism that gets ignored sometimes.

[@SimonePhoenix]

“Bad Faith” is a recent documentary about exactly what you have commented here. It goes into a good deal of detail on Weyrich & the roots of this phenomenon.

[@yelenafrench5097]

Find it very scary!!

[@lzrd8460]

Hmmmm, I wonder how many current civil servants will be voting blue in November. Their jobs are on the line!

[@DJNocturna]

Thank you for this valuable information. WOW !

[@mlebaron1]

I’m trying to think of a case where combining religion and government ended well for the average citizen….

[@narda1072]

Never

[@kevinpatrick5925]

Down with project 2025

[@candace2117]

We need to distinguish what words like “Christian”, “Evangelical Christianity”, and “Christian Nationalism” mean and who they are meant for. This is a movement that speaks to, primarily, a White Protestant Christianity. This movement does not include non-White Protestant Christians or Catholics. It’s primarily based out of the religiosity of the White South, post the Civil War. This is why you don’t see many Black or POC Christians or many Catholics as part of this movement. At the basis is it White Nationalism that is rooted in American Racism. Those of us that are not apart of this movement, know and understand the coded language.

[@earthjustice01]

You're wrong. Does the name Phyllis Schlafly ring a bell? Conservative Catholics were big into the "pro-life" movement, and I think there are some Catholics involved in 2025. Look at the Supreme Court. All the conservatives on the court are catholics

[@ThePgkessler]

This discussion brings into focus one prong of a three pronged fork desperately trying to stick itself into the heart of democracy: 1. Fundamentalist Christian ideology that ignores the separation of church and state. 2. Domestic oligarchs / oligopolies that want to limit democracy in the interest of profitability. 3. Foreign illiberal autocracies trying to reduce the threat democracy has to their hold on power.