Robin DiAngelo on "White Fragility" - EXTENDED CONVERSATION | Amanpour and Company

In her 2018 book “White Fragility,” Dr. Robin DiAngelo digs into unconscious bias--and why white people are so defensive when it comes to talking about race. Now as the book returns to the top of the bestseller list--as people seek to educate themselves--we are airing an extended version of her 2018 conversation with Michel Martin.
Originally aired on September 21, 2018.
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[@RedPillGrimReaper]

It took until the 14:50 mark for the most important question to be asked: "Where's your data?" And of course she provided none

[@nikolaneberemed]

She hasn't got any. Postmodernists don't believe in data.

[@RedPillGrimReaper]

Beth Grant-DeRoos Beth Grant-DeRoos I was referring to what she said in the interview. When the question was posed, she said there's a "Glee... When black bodies are punished." So she responds with a perceived widespread ethos that she doesn't substantiate with any evidence. I.E. Who feels this glee? Where do they live? How do they demonstrate it? How is it measured? To which incidents in particular are they responding with glee? You know, things that are demonstrable and quantifiable

[@RedPillGrimReaper]

Beth Grant-DeRoos as I said before, I was simply referring to this interview and the subject matter to which it encompasses. I will say haven't read the book. However, that is irrelevant to the content we're discussing or her response to the question posed during said interview. I understand everything can't be repeated or acknowledged, but she didn't provide anything. At. All. If you don't mind, May you cite some of her empirical data from her book?

[@RedPillGrimReaper]

Beth Grant-DeRoos The bottom line is that if someone makes a statement, they now have burden of proof to substantiate that claim. The burden is not on me to disprove it, nor is it on me to buy her book and look these things up

[@Ourdavey64]

@@encyaustin7410 Against Dotal?

[@oscarpaez123]

Why do I feel like every time she says “white people” she is talking about herself?

[@augustbrown9711]

Because she is. The entire book she is just projecting her own racism onto others to justify her own racism. By saying, “all white people think this way,” she is justifying it by blaming it on society rather than taking accountability for her own thinking/actions. The entire book is a logical fallacy.

[@chetrisaw6301]

That is so funny!

[@legalize.brokkoli]

That's what she does.

[@tyrelljones7802]

She is talking about herself. She's is talking about the white condition that you and all white Americans share. She makes that clear repeatedly.

[@PC.NickRowan]

Because she is. She's more or less the modern equivalent of Freud assuming everyone wants to sleep with their mother because he did, perhaps so he didn't feel like he was the only one. Difference being, she assumes everyone else is racist because she is, and like my suspicions with Freud, she probably didn't want to feel like the onoy one.

[@silverpairaducks]

Why won't she debate anybody?

[@Mejuz]

why should she? I have just read a book on Buckley vs. Baldwin and it makes it clear that debates are a very distinct form of interactions that will not always have the one with the better arguments win, but the one with the better debating skills. Or the one who manages to hurt the opponent and get him/her to shut down. Sometimes a topic can be explained better if not subjected to a (often polarizing) debate setting.

[@RedPillGrimReaper]

M. A. Zing yeah, or if the validity of her perspective isn't challenged and she can continue to spew her nonsense in a safe space/echo chamber

[@RedPillGrimReaper]

M. A. Zing oh, and also the fact that nothing she says is substantiated by any empirical data and she never gives any qualitative or quantitative metrics by which we can measure this so called fragility. So there's also that

[@silverpairaducks]

@@RedPillGrimReaper it is measured in IBUs imperial bunch units....how much "white fragility " per capita.... 56.7 IBUs

[@silverpairaducks]

@@Mejuz okay how about an honest conversation or interview with someone of a differing perspective. How about a conversation with say...Jared Taylor

[@bradleyjamesatchley5335]

This woman clearly hasn't worked an honest day in her life

[@tyrelljones7802]

She did not even begin college until her 30s, but she never worked an honest day in her life? Your fragility is showing 😃. Such defensiveness at the mere suggestion that being white had a meaning. Wow

[@bradleyjamesatchley5335]

@@tyrelljones7802 sure thing Tyrell

[@thechangingtimes]

Mangino cups ad hominem doesn’t make systemic racism magically disappear

[@matthewbittenbender9191]

You clearly don’t respect people who worked hard to EARN advanced degrees. I’d say the problem lies with you, not her.

[@bradleyjamesatchley5335]

@@matthewbittenbender9191 I don't respect people that write garbage lies like that. Sorry

[@erinlopez7701]

Buy my book. That's what I heard.

[@augustbrown9711]

She’s a grifter.

[@dathunderman4]

Neon Future she turned into a best selling author overnight after the George Floyd protests, it’s unfortunate because her arguments are very poor

[@freeindeed8416]

👍🏾

[@jonstewartsuperfan2988]

Maybe that's part of the problem then ;) you heard a 17 minute talk about racism and all you could think about is "Buy my book " and learned nothing

[@erinlopez7701]

@@jonstewartsuperfan2988 she saw her opportunity to sell her bullshit.

[@sfepea777]

This just sounds like a manufactured issue where she self-congratulates herself for defeating straw men that she set up herself.

[@williamwhitten7820]

*DiAngelo.& Ibram X. Kendi,are racist lost in the madness of Wokism.*

[@RedRabbitEntertainment]

It's weird that I've experienced it too though, growing up for half of my life surrounded by white people and seeing their reactions to basic facts. Like that things didn't get better after the black Civil Rights Movement ended with the assassinations of leaders and the mass incarceration of activists alongside the development of localized mass surveillance and police militarization within those communities.

[@williamwhitten7820]

@@RedRabbitEntertainment *You fail to understand DiAngelo's thesis of "systemic racism",* that the system is racist in every way, not that some people are individually racist, but that just by the nature of things ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE RACIST, whether they believe it or not. This is in effect a racist theory in itself. The system can hardly be racist when the US has black governors, judges. police chiefs. sheriffs, Supreme Court Justices, and even a black President. The notion is absolutely absurd. Mass surveillance and police militarization is practiced throughout all of America not in any particular communities.

[@RedRabbitEntertainment]

@@williamwhitten7820 That's like saying US Chattel Slavery wasn't racist because there were black slavers.

[@RedRabbitEntertainment]

@@williamwhitten7820 Mass Surveillance and Police Militarization is more developed in black and brown communities in the United States. It's observable reality, they don't hide it, try traveling sometime. I've been to 39 states, boots on the ground. Don't do destination vacations, really see what the country is like and how it changes depending on who and where you are.

[@vl8962]

"You're a scholar, where's your data?" 😂😂😂 14:50

[@smokanmiraz6942]

Yeah. No data. Just a lazy deflection

[@vincentcerasoli5969]

​@@smokanmiraz6942 the real laziness here is your own willfull ignorance, as is the case with most white people. God forbid you actually get curious and look up what this means using factual sources. That's just asking too much of white folks.

[@marwar819]

There would be no 17 minute interview on A&C. It had to have been sliced there. Still, Diangelo does fuel the race war all to make millions from it, as she does.

[@noreenhappel8531]

The powers that be would like to keep us fighting each other than attacking the real enemy.

[@Brianbeesandbikes]

@Count Pushkin Reject zionism: u$a's evangelicals' end of times insanity is why they support zionism. www.vox.com/2017/12/12/16761540/jerusalem-israel-embassy-palestinians-trump-evangelicals

[@Brianbeesandbikes]

And that real enemy are elites: How elites treat poor white communities in similar ways they treat poc kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYmkZ4t5r9qSnK8 Why Whites do Elite's Bidding kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJS0f4KCZ9mEask How elites / media get some white folk to screw everyone, including themselves. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4nXh6KkeL2FeKc

[@doilybarn6154]

The more we talk about racism the less we talk about how 99.9% of us are getting screwed by our corporate overlords. Ending racism is a great idea, but not the most important goal of our day, imho.

[@Brianbeesandbikes]

@@doilybarn6154 the squeezing by the 1% of We the Peeps is elites' design manifested by exploiting a number of isms incl racism in hopes we'll Divide to Conquer rather than form a more perfect union for eg: Bacon Rebellion: When Elites Taught Whites Racism en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacon%27s_Rebellion How Virginia Created u$a’s Slavery Institution gimletmedia.com/shows/uncivil/v4hb8g Legacy of u$a slavery kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2Kocoxmh6l3gLM Leader of slave insurrection, risk of traitors, list of slave revolts en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denmark_Vesey USA founding ideals false when written. Black Americans have fought to make them true. www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/08/14/magazine/black-history-american-democracy.html John Oliver on racism's legacy kzbin.info/www/bejne/gGbFkGCKj9yEZqs A Juneteenth primer for white ppl kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5rJanWVrbSrpdU Surviving the many shades of cop behavior kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqCZgHivm9p9i5o Richard Pryor: how capitalism begets racism kzbin.info/www/bejne/j53ZYn-vi7yWY8U How elites treat poor white communities in similar ways they treat poc kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYmkZ4t5r9qSnK8 1963 actor’s panel on importance of street movement kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHmadKVmfdmcgKs Racist origins of America kzbin.info/www/bejne/l4rahXerrK1li7c Why Whites do Elite's Bidding kzbin.info/www/bejne/kJS0f4KCZ9mEask How elites / media get non-elite white folk to screw everyone, including themselves. kzbin.info/www/bejne/i4nXh6KkeL2FeKc Bolton + Covid DNC + UPrising … we're all in this tough place TOGETHER kzbin.info/www/bejne/jWiUemuebsadmsU SOLUTIONS TO RACISM: How whites can admit their racism and take action to repair it WITHOUT GUILT kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6mQmIicht1nY7M Why being unapologetically Anti-Racist is needed, not just being NON-racist kzbin.info/www/bejne/l2OopYSam5KWprM How to be an Antiracist kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqvYgJ-vrrafq8k kzbin.info/www/bejne/o6nEZWZ-bdJjaZY Black man describes how he shed his own racism kzbin.info/www/bejne/iqvYgJ-vrrafq8k?t=1069 Demand police accountability kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqGmloiQh5l1a7M Defund police kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqGmloiQh5l1a7M Don't agree? Fine, just send counterclaims with links. Civil comment-focused talk only.

[@lisaj10]

And by bringing up the “real enemy” in this forum deflects and shows extreme disrespect and disconnect from the plight of people of color🙄

[@amadeusdebussy6736]

If anyone ever tries to convince you that, "people doubting and opposing me just proves that I'm right" you are dealing with either a crackpot or a straight-up con-artist. Not just in this sphere, in ANY sphere.

[@sayresrudy2644]

💯

[@tarlankasra]

Circular reasoning at its finest \sarcasm/ 🤦‍♀️

[@ewoksith6674]

Nikola Tesla!?

[@davidpar2]

Classic Kafka-esque tactics.

[@TrollingRacist-ng9fd]

Oh shut up and stop whining

[@AndrewAment]

Surprised Google Overlords didn’t block the comments.

[@anthonymorris5084]

They are constantly deleting my posts on this subject. After you post, you need to refresh the page to see if it's still there. Most aren't even aware their post has been deleted because they post and leave the page.

[@digitalintent]

@@anthonymorris5084 I don't refresh but I usually come back a few minutes later just to see. It is surprising how many disappear for even the slightest mention of anything "offensive." I will even check my comment history and sure enough they are gone.

[@tylerbrown2923]

They’re the worst. Total wimps at best. I mentioned on several threads that Ms Diangelo makes 6,000 an hour, while her fundraiser brings in 55,000, about 9 hours of work for her. The donation of her income to black causes she doesn’t disclose. That means she’s either too stupid to know how that works or a total fraud. Now, they deleted that. Granted, I wrote “f--“ her, but I fail to see how my use of the f-word is more abusive than her making a millionaire’s salary off racial resentments. But this is America, populated largely by morons stupid enough to think that saying something mean amounts to harm.

[@bighuge1060]

She's making bucks by smugly selling shame in incredibly asinine word salads. Not someone you want to spend on second with.

[@thechangingtimes]

Sounds like you have some “white fragility” LOL....

[@zeenuf00]

@@thechangingtimes Explain how this person has white fragility, with a clear argument. Go.

[@thechangingtimes]

300 bpm attacking someone (ad hominem) as a “smug corporate shame seller” tries to shift focus away from systemic racism - WHICH exists. If you’re denying systemic racism- THAT BY DEFINITION is “white fragility.”

[@augustbrown9711]

thechangingtimes White fragility is a logical fallacy. Its a circled argument or what they call, “begging the question.” She states her thesis, then gives no room for counter arguments. By explaining any reaction as “white fragility.” She has no actual evidence other than her “opinion.” The entire book she constantly says things like, “I believe,” or “I think,” or “from my experience.” That isn’t peer reviewed, so therefore is not considered credible evidence. She barely includes sources and when she does they are ones that wouldn’t be considered credible to academic standards.

[@Ken_Churchill]

Jesus, my brain feels dirty after listening to this shit.

[@meerak90]

I want to keep my critique simple and direct: she is the worst.

[@sylviapozos2076]

short simple and to the point.

[@jakewakelin5751]

Acting defensive when accused of racism is not strange.

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

Why is being accused of being racist so uncomfortable for white people. Let’s suppose John Smith says “I’m racist.”’ What is the social price Mr Smith will pay? Who will make sure Mr Smith suffers the consequences?

[@jakewakelin5751]

@@edwinlucianofrias1643 it's uncomfortable being accused of being racist because it's a reprehensible trait. I'm sure anyone of any race would feel just as uncomfortable with that accusation. The only people who wouldn't be defensive would be actual racists!

[@benjamincrew1949]

@@edwinlucianofrias1643 Is this actually a question you need to ask? Do you honestly need someone to point out to you that being accused of something you're not, regardless of the consequences of that action, is not a thing people that people are just going to tolerate? An ideology is not punishable and it shouldn't be. This is one of the founding principles of the United States. An action is punishable, a thought isn't. The entire problem with this racial social justice nonsense is that it's a persecution complex. If you don't get the job you want, it's racist. If you get pulled over by the cops, it's racist. If a person follows you in a store, it's racist. If there aren't enough black people in an organization, it's racist. If a hotel doesn't have "black people" shampoo, it's racist. If you get arrested for a crime, it's racist. If you get fired from your job, it's racist. If you don't excuse black students from taking an exam, it's racist. These are all things that are attributed to racism with no reasoning except the perceptions of the accusers. Racism will never die because the people that supposedly suffer from it don't want it to.

[@CourageToB]

@@edwinlucianofrias1643 man, why is it so uncomfortable for a black person to be called the N-word? why are they so fragile? what is the social price that jay-z will pay?

[@michaeloxendine1231]

If youre not racist, why need to be defensive fam? Yeah, its a terrible trait and its one thats dominated the fabric of American society for most of its existence so its not as if its something that gets asked out of thin air. Kind of feels like it should be quite the opposite of getting defensive if youre not...

[@AskLovelyIgniteTheChange]

Wow... judging by all these comments she’s either proving her point OR she’s completely off bases lol wonder which it 🤔🤔🤔

[@bdubsmusclepakk]

I was thinking the same thing.

[@brickofwar9727]

She’s Jewish

[@rjc7289]

She's so off-base that she's on another planet! People are angry in these comments because this ignoramus is trying to burden all white people with a label that only an extreme minority deserve. Wouldn't you too be pissed off if somebody went around spreading rumors about you that didn't have a single shred of truth? People running their mouths with no facts to back up their statements deserve all the anger that comes their way!

[@megadethmofo2001]

I bought 20 copies....my grocery store is still out of toilet paper.

[@freeindeed8416]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@bestill8176]

She is the hero in every story... her body language and constant use of the words 'I' , 'me' and 'my' really share her true motivations. She is inciting racism with her generalizations of Caucasians.

[@tyrelljones7802]

I wonder how you say she makes herself the "hero in every story" when she calls her own socialization, "racist" or perhaps in the story she told about when she made a racist comment and a Black woman set her straight. That's painting herself as a hero? She uses "I" "me" "my" a lot because she is describing how white ppl are socialized the same. She is saying "as a white person I was taught that I don't have a race, and that being white doesnt mean anything" She says "my world view" and "my socialization" because she is actually saying that she is not different from other white ppl other than her studies

[@tyrelljones7802]

@Bryan Valentino there will always be a push back whenever anyone names whiteness and puts it in the open. This doctor, as well as dozens of other sociologists, discuss, write about and uncover this basic truth. Human beings have biases. Why this is so controversial? Oh, its because Dr. Diangelo talks about white biases which then is identified as what it is; racism. If she was talking about black psychology and "slave mentality" none of this push back would happen. White ppl can not bear to receive even a fraction of the criticism or generalizing that black ppl have dealt with for centuries. White Ppl make generalizations about black ppl religiously, backed by legislature and power. But white folks receive simple literature that generalizes about them and they completely fall apart

[@tyrelljones7802]

Please, white people make generalizations about ppl of color religiously...backed by historic legislature and systemic power....but when white folks recieve even a fraction of criticism or generalizations about them in literature, they fall apart. No historic harm done to them based on this literature, no privileges held back... And they completely fall apart from mere words.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

@@tyrelljones7802 you are fundamentally prejudiced.You need to move beyond hating

[@tyrelljones7802]

@@nihilistcentraluk442 as human beings we are fundamentally prejudiced. The difference is that I can admit mine.. But mine is not backed by the weight of history or legislative power... There is nothing hateful about generalizations. They are human, and can be studied, measured and statistical.

[@kelaarin]

The real question is: why isn't EVERYONE denouncing her as a racist, because she clearly is?

[@mookiejapan7351]

She's not a subject matter expert. She's a pundit. "Where's your data?" "There's a kind of glee..."

[@rummusLoL]

hahaha i was thinking the same. "a kind of glee", where the fuck did she get that from? jesus

[@Bm23CC]

Thats racist to ask me where is my data.

[@markisabell1637]

@@Bm23CC ah more hiding behind the race card when confronted w a challenge seeking only facts. Nice dodge though. She pushes a Marxist ideology where the white person is dammed either way. The soft bigotry of low expectations is her tool of choice all while hiding in her little echo chamber of virtue signaling. Weak

[@erichartmann1512]

Lady: things got worse for black people under Obama Lady seconds later: Trump voters resented black advancement

[@tyrelljones7802]

@Rusalka black unemployment was on the uprise, as was the rest of the economy, under Obama

[@johngillians1027]

@Rusalka Stop your lying kid. Our economy thrived under Obama. Your pres tried to assume credit again for a house (economy ) he had no hand in building and in the process manages to set the house on fire. Its still burning while Trump Nero watches

[@schechter01]

Her basic message is that white people can't do anything right when it comes to non-white people, but they're morally obligated to try to eradicate their own inherent racism anyway despite knowing they can't. It's pretty incoherent once you think about it.

[@pazthepole2814]

By no means a democart but things did get worse under Obama and Trump Voters still clearly resent blacks (on the whole ofc)

[@brigittetopaz]

two things can be true.

[@joeleroy5355]

“Where’s your data?” Narrator: There was no data?

[@GeneralSalt]

She won't debate. I call that "idea fragility".

[@zeenuf00]

Because, like most of her ilk, she knows her ideas are stupid.

[@schechter01]

@Chris Russell Actually, DiAngelo is Italian-American. No Jews in her family. You're also judging what she says by her presumed ethnicity instead of whether it's objectively true. Nice job.

[@zeenuf00]

@@schechter01 literally her entire thesis is constructed of non-falsifiable claims. that better?

[@tyrelljones7802]

Sociologists don't "debate" science. She's not a politican. She's a scientist

[@GeneralSalt]

@@tyrelljones7802 She's an author and a consultant.

[@TimmsMJ]

How ANYONE can make such a statement about a whole race of people, who inhabit many countries all over the globe is simply ridiculous. She has basically made a controversial statement and written a book based on that statement to obtain 'fame'. In her own words she was not brought up with people of different races....then she uses the term 'most people'. Literally this woman does NOT know what she's talking about....but she's got her name and face on KZbin, which in her mind gives her validation.

[@HarrietteTube]

Wow. Only learnt about her character, and her willingness to lift herself above everybody, regardless of skin pigmentation. Dull.

[@williamwhitten7820]

DiAngelo is a charlatan or simply bloody insane. But the certainty is she is a 'racist'. *There is in fact only one race on planet Earth; the Human Race.*

[@everythingisstupid6227]

This is who your HR department is listening to right now.

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

Not in my country.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

It seems to be an argument for segregation .

[@ratjoburg]

This lady is a sales person. She found a market and is now exploiting it for maximum gains. Make white American women from the suburbs feel guilty and cash in on their guilt. Wild.

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

11:03

[@frankjames4743]

'Receive the feedback with grace, reflect and seek to change the behavior' - A saying that everyone should adhere to

[@theprofessional5656]

Stop commenting. Receive my feedback with grace, reflect and change the behaviour. - wordsalad for the intellectual lazy

[@you6382tube]

Thanks, frank james. Those are actionable, practical steps. Receive the feedback with grace: "Thanks for the feedback". "Thank you for letting me know." "I made a mistake. I'm sorry." "That comment of mine ( insert here ) wasn't right. (It must have come off as: insensitive /offensive / dismissive / arrogant/ racist / or was not appreciated) "My last comment came off pretty badly... I'm sorry about that." "That's my ignorance showing". "I'm not there yet with noticing how I clumsy I can be. I'll be more careful." "I'm stepping on people's toes and it's painful. Opps, I'm very sorry." "I need to consider how my thinking / view / perspective affects others." "Is there anything else I missed?" "Okay, I'll give that some thought." Simply listening. Without taking a knee-jerk defensive stance immediately -- that's half of the work right there.

[@TempestTossedWaters]

So if you're accused of racism you have to agree or you're being "fragile" and are still racist? This isn't wisdom, this is a Kafka trap.

[@mdb9933]

You are so easily controlled.

[@frankjames4743]

@@theprofessional5656 Thank you. I am getting sick of going to anger management groups so trying different mantras or techniques to see what works

[@carpballet]

“I’m quite comfortable generalizing about groups of people.” Yell it from the rooftops, Robin!

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

So was George Wallace.

[@Kaagrant]

Well, I do not like this woman’s soap box (find her disingenuous and self serving, and more), but if she has an extensive background, ie PhD, in sociology, yes, someone with that much time spent studying the society, sure, I can see speaking about groups of people. But I find her incredibly self-impressed and self-serving, regardless. She has some right ideas, but she goes way overboard, and honestly, after trying to see past the broad brush she just painted me with, she’s also really patronizing of people of color. Even her tone of voice-on,unsteady can lead us all out of this mess; only SHE can save black peoples from all of us idiotic whites people with our racism. But yeah, a sociologist should be capable of looking at groups of people. This sociologist has narcissistic tendencies, but others I’m sure, are decent people with lots of knowledge about how groups operate in any given society. A psychologist can speak with authority about people with some certain issues. An internist can speak with knowledge about causes of some certain ailments and behaviors or lifestyle that lead significant numbers of people (ie, groups) to those ailments. But she’s very impressed with herself. She seems to think or at least speak of black people as though they’re just adorable. And she sees herself as the all-knowing judge and savior. This will not go far to help us as a society, that is, a group, in my case, as Americans. I resent her on a deep level.

[@markisabell1637]

@@Kaagrant Kafkatrap- A sophistical rhetorical device in which any denial by an accused person serves as evidence of guilt. What we have here is a white (and perhaps racist) liberal woman virtue signaling while pushing the soft bigotry of low expectations on the black community. Has a Marxist theme to it It also worth noting that only a totally pretentious liberal interviewer can start out a interview by stating “Most decent black people.......”. Hypocrisy at its finest. But hey don’t take my word for it just ask my friend Ben the Hebrew hammer. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4jKn4tuabB3baM

[@onewildandcrazyguy9213]

@@Kaagrant She'not generalizing based on any sort of scientific data. She's basing her impression off of what a minority of people within her groups say

[@williamwhitten7820]

I am quite comfortable in finding the qualities of individuals and not grouping them together according to ethnicity. It is the merits of an individuals character that is imprtant, not their ethnicity. Carpballet is a racist of the worst kind, just like DiAngelo.& Ibram X. Kendi, *lost in the madness of Wokism.*

[@daveburrows9876]

I think that 'fragility' is a kinder way of talking about 'me first' immaturity. It's this childish, me-first egocentrism that fuels racism and other forms of tribalism.

[@mainely8007]

I totally agree Dave! Many adults remind me of angry little brats in their behavior. What happened to the notion of acting with honor and maturity and respect for others, *especially those less fortunate* . I see instead far too many entitled people bullying and harassing waitresses, clerks, delivery drivers and others, often threatening their employment for petty things like their iced tea being not cold enough. How petty of them.

[@theultimatewarrior2218]

That's so so true. I couldn't have explained it better.

[@MikelGCinema]

Agreed. The whole "me first" its pure and wholesome fear.

[@EmDub01]

Yeah she mentioned that in the interview I think, when she talked about individuality and how white American culture is so individualistic, and I totally agree with that. Americans are taught that we must win and work hard to succeed and be better than anyone else, and I agree that it leads into the belief in white superiority, and not just “I’m superior because of my race (and allow myself say slurs)” but also “I’m superior because I am not racist (and allow myself tell racial jokes)” and how both mindsets are competing for acceptance within their social circles.

[@Mad_Intalect]

@@mainely8007 Ironically these are always the people telling me to "grow up," lol human hypocrisy truly knows no bounds.

[@oudguitar]

Does anyone see the irony of ironies, many people of color are on these comments, Robin's philosophy doesn't put the subjective experience of brown and black people above other things, It puts her own philosophy (And her $10,000 an hour corporate rate) as the thing that is not questionable...Robin if you really want to make a commitment to black and brown people, would you make a commitment to donate the rest of the money to the NAACP, since this is just"doing the work", I'm assuming you would be willing to de colonialize your bank account and allow black homeless people to live in your home, I think one good way to unlearned privilege would be to learn to sleep in a tent, i and many of my friends have had to sleep on the street., I would challenge you to do that as well

[@Mejuz]

I see no irony. Have you ever asked Obama to pay for NAACP? Have you asked Kanye? Or Bezos? Why not hold the Koch Brothers accountable who lobby for conservatives (who keep the political changes from happening that could benefit the lives of many PoC in the US?). So you were sleeping rough and some of your friends still do? I am sorry to hear. But even sleeping rough won't help to unlearn white privilege. Admit it: you do not like your message and this is why you are attacking her. An attempt of character assasination. Even the poorest of whites can be part of white privilege (says a white woman who was raised by an alcoholic single-parent mother). Start working with the message on yourself rather than to kill the messenger.

[@johnrichardson7233]

@@Mejuz It's a Kafka trap. No matter what white people do or say, they're "racist". That's racism in and of itslef.

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

Be honest, you don't give a fig about the "subjective experience of brown and black people" lol

[@Daya1828]

Angelina Jolie already donated enough for most white people to the NAACP and the black communities still won't see it, because the NAACP doesn't really care about black people, it cares about capital in America. Clue in. When Angelina Jolie donated the money she reminded black people that don't know who they are that "no one group can give rights to another group". That should've been another wake up call to black people that could see beyond the money. smh

[@oudguitar]

@@Mejuz Double Irony, "The message" is one of character assassination to begin with based upon being white, I am merely asking if the author and her $10,000 per hour corporate rate is an exception to the rules of checking white privilege? It isn't an ad hominum attack, it is a question of consistency of principle, because i am calling out an amway financial racket which i don't believe has the interest of anyone but the bank account (and personal hunger for power) of the speaker. I believe this ideology evades genuine changes which can be made to benefit POC and is being enforced with an authortarian illiberal demand to submit, and a willingness to enforce this submission to RD with aggression. As a liberal in a liberal secular society, you can believe whatever you want as a matter of conscience as long as you don't impose it on others, this is good, fundamentally the non-aggression principle. This is in stark contrast to the frightening conventionalism within the "philosophy" of Critical race theory and RD ....the belief that your values are conventional for your group and should be for everyone, and the willingness to insist that other must share your values! Conventionalism is the desire to impose it on others with aggression or else....Cancel culture, job loss, false accusations, shunned, loss of social media account, forced antibias training, reeducation camps, work camps, concentration camps, death camps.

[@d.b.cooper6112]

"The swirl of their buzzwords-“access,” “stigma,” “progressive,” “diversity,” “crisis,” etc.-shows a discernible pattern. What these innumerable buzzwords have in common is that they either (1) preempt issues rather than debate them, (2) set the anointed and the benighted on different moral and intellectual planes, or (3) evade the issue of personal responsibility" - Thomas Sowell

[@thechangingtimes]

Matthew Wells Thomas Sewell tries to hide his own racism towards his own race through his infamous “pseudo-philosophical” attempts at psychological reductionism. He also has a deeply unfortunate history of attempting written justifications of artificial racial hierarchies- it’s what got him first noticed by conservatives like William F Buckley. Sowell’s sophistry completely ignores verifiable history as well as the cumulative sociological data we have of race, crime, and power. His sophomoric arguments attempt to dismiss race as a reality of power relation and social construction through the use of anecdote and “what-aboutism.” Of course those kinds of denial-based positions fit his think tank “employer’s” worldview perfectly. It a way ...he is truly suffering (like many black Americans artificially placed in positions of influence to “speak for all blacks” - Think Candace Owens et al.) from a form of Stockholm Syndrome written about by racial scholars and intellectuals known as “sambo mentality.” Sowell has decided to make a very comfortable living among very rich and powerful people by simply re-enforcing the dominate power myths and artificial structures of American society. It takes real guts and character to let data and science lead one’s path- instead of green paper rectangles. Appealing to a guy like Thomas Sowell can’t and WON’T hide the FACTS of structural racism and the histrionics of white fragility.

[@nihilistcentraluk442]

@@thechangingtimes your last line is a joke.

[@jpalvarez4972]

@@nihilistcentraluk442 Just the last line?

[@donovanumbra9704]

@@thechangingtimes Beautifully, and incisively stated👏👏👏

[@donovanumbra9704]

@@nihilistcentraluk442 And of course the incorrect and deluded have no counterargument, only impotent, baseless accusation.

[@RedPillGrimReaper]

1:15 are there any races that do like being generalized? If so, which ones?

[@RedPillGrimReaper]

Aramis3737 I'm not being defensive, I'm not even white. All I'm doing is pointing out the flaws in her argument. If she's specifically highlighting the idea that white people don't like being generalized and value being judged as individuals, the only reasonable conclusion is that that's not that case for other races. Otherwise, why only say it about whites? And my question is which races are those that do not value individual identify and enjoy being generalized?

[@benparsons2878]

@Aramis3737 social science uses critical theory and postmodern philosophy which divides humans into groups and discusses power, authority and dominance relations between them. That's it. Nothing else. No talk about cooperation or negotiation or sacrifice, none of those things actually fucking matter or exist in society its all POWER. They only give a shit about "power dynamics" and think the entire world is based on power and opression. They are fucking nutcases.

[@zeenuf00]

@@RedPillGrimReaper " I'm not even white. " That doesn't even matter.

[@RedPillGrimReaper]

300 bpm I know it doesn’t matter. However, the comment above implied that I was being defensive about the statements she was making in the interview, which had to do with the fragility of white people. I was simply pointing out that they didn’t apply to me so there was no reason for me to be defensive. Not that any white people ever should take this woman or the b.s. she says seriously anyway

[@zeenuf00]

@Aramis3737 "Stop being defensive all over these comments" That's not an argument.

[@captainpandabear1422]

"Will set off the defensiveness." Disagreeing with you, thinking you are incorrect, is not the same as being defensive.

[@nousername5673]

Exactly. She attempts to frame her opinion as fact, selecting a few unverified narratives to support her faulty generalization fallacies.

[@donovanumbra9704]

But that's not what you are doing. These reactions as displayed in the comments are not rational, patient, reasoned *responses* , they are outsized emotional overreactions filled with rage, contempt and insults for a perfectly well-sourced, well-reasoned, and easily observable social phenomenon, which is so ironically and perfectly manifest in these comment. The evidence is so clear it's difficult not to just think of most of you as stupid, but such is the nature of White fragility.

[@halflifeproductionz]

This woman is hilarious!

[@lisacotton322]

I was going to a college years back, taking a class about Colorism. And I told her and the class about an incident that I had. And she did not believe me. That was very mind boggling to me. I have no reason to lie about peoples stupidity or insecurities.

[@Pou1gie1]

So what was the incident of colorism?

[@jutsu1]

this woman just created 200 white supremacists.

[@ethanmoon3925]

Exactly, it just makes people defensive. If whites are fragile and racism is a form of insecurity, then attacking us will only make it worse.

[@ethanmoon3925]

@SHOWLINE My main problem with the high level of immigration anti-racists demand is that they DON'T want them to assimilate, they want to teach them to remain a separate victim class. Anyone who wants to come here to be more American is fine by me, but anyone who wants to come here to complain about America can piss off.

[@metsym]

“many parents ask me about how to teach their children not be racist but they need to start with themselves. They themselves are not educated. They haven't done the work. It's not some talk you have, it's like put your oxygen mask on first and then if you are truly integrating this into your life it will come through in everything you do.” Robin DiAngelo

[@carriewilliams521]

I will qq

[@planetoftheatheists6858]

@@carriewilliams521 Yes, they need to be subject to her Marxist indoctrination, her marginalizing bigotry in order to get an 'education'.

[@damon2922]

Every RACE and Every PARENT can follow this advice, not just white parents. RACISM doesn't mean just black on white, it goes both ways and within all cultures. Maybe if parents of certain demographics would teach their children not to be play the part of the VICTIM and learn to rise above all challenges, and not blame their failures solely on another race we all could move forward and learn to heal.

[@keithsmith4780]

"Overwhelmingly white employees who were mandated to be having these conversations and the hostility was off the chart.” People are forced to listen to her tell them that they're racists, and she's surprised their reaction is negative. "I can predict what this white person is going to say (when I tell him he's a racist)." I can predict that if I tell you Dallas is the capital of Texas you're going to say no it isn't; Austin is. My being able to predict what you'll say doesn't make you wrong.

[@knicklas48]

Fragile is what *she* sounds at the very beginning as she immediately focuses on the reactions of others.

[@richarthur3069]

Early In the interview she claimed to be a sociologist, people who study group behavior, the most obvious observation to state is that people bully people, and any reason will do for those so inclined, knowingly or unknowingly. Matt Taibi has written an excellent review of this book and this author, who needs to read him and learn how she is being perceived by the world at large.

[@mentallychallenged5764]

As a sociologist who is "comfortable with groups" she must understand very well that white males are the most productive and intelligent people on average. That's why we want them on top of hierarchy.

[@jamesmcnary4939]

She frames her theory in a way that your counter point will “prove” you racist. It’s like arguing with a 4 year old.

[@jpalvarez4972]

Actually, she refuses to argue.

[@jamesmcnary4939]

@@jpalvarez4972 same same

[@jj-et5kj]

All of DiAngelo's longer lecture videos on this subject have their comments disabled. Usually something very suspicious when that happens.

[@James-og6cx]

She needs to debate Ben Shapiro.

[@tyrelljones7802]

Again, Dr. Diangelo is not a politician. This is not a theory. This is an in depth study of sociology that has been in circulation for over a century. Many other white Dr's, PHDS, Sociologists and authors have conducted this research as well, and they each site the POC who led them. Ben Shapiros opinion would be necessarily ill informed and eaten alive I would be glad to list for you; Dr. Diangelo, Dr. Jacqueline Battalora, Peggy Macintosh, Tim Wise

[@gazmalman]

@@tyrelljones7802 you are right, it is not a theory, it's not even an hypothesis is just a description of diangelo's own racism and possible borderline personality disorder. The amazing thing is she is getting very rich off the back of this racism and people are praising her for it.

[@jackdaripper137]

No, she needs to debate Sam Harris or Bret Weinstein

[@tyrelljones7802]

@@gazmalman actually as I previously stated. There are many other Doctors, PhDs Authors and Sociologists who have studied and written on this same topic with the same conclusions. Dr. Peggy McIntosh Dr. Jacqueline Battalora Tim Wise Dr. Diangelo The list goes on and on.. Even Eienstein said "racism is a problem of the white man" not the black man. The professors and Sociologists are saying that white Americans are all socialized the same way...same studies, same schooling from a Eurocentric perspective, same white supremacist history of legislature... This is very simple. You are not the producers of racism, you are the consumer. You are not to blame for your socialization, unless you are made aware and are not doing anti racism work.

[@tyrelljones7802]

Ben Shapiro is not a sociologist of any kind. There is no reason for an esteemed doctor of her caliber to "debate" with him" ... Btw, sociologists don't debate, they educate.

[@ritacheatham9048]

I get it because in my country where we're predominantly black (Kenya), I was always part of the majority and white people were not in my sphere of life. Even when I attended a British boarding high school in Kenya, it was only the teachers that were white so once again, white people were not in my extended stratosphere career wise. Then I came to the US for college and I was now a minority and I honed in on how white people carried themselves and it took me while after constant criticizing that I was prejudiced and racist towards white people and the sad part is I have white australian, austrian and german uncles. Thing is they live in their countries so I have barely interacted with my cousins and uncles. It didn't matter to me. I married an african american man and live in the US and still work on improving myself.

[@TheMediaMakerYT]

All people get defensive when you accuse them of being a monster.

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

racist=monster? to me, that’s weird.

[@lowfrequency1180]

Thought Fragility: Why is it so hard NOT to talk about race?

[@jpalvarez4972]

Because then sanctimonious, middle class idiots would stop throwing money at her.

[@shecreates365]

Because if it were not the MOST important thing in society, to whyte peopole, THEY, whyte peopole, would not have created it...that is...RACE

[@donovanumbra9704]

If white people really thought this way, then why do they work so hard to make sure their neighborhoods, schools, and workplaces are so homogeneously white? If race didn't matter, why were so many white people upset and contrarian when a half-black man was elected president? Why have so many white people worked hard to suppress, sabotage and destroy black progress? Why do the police continue harassing and brutalizing primarily black people? Trust me, POC would love nothing more than to stop talking about race, but white people *stay* giving us a reason. And this why it remains a problem: because NPCs like you refuse to examine your programming and continue pretending racism doesn't exist. "There is no war in Ba-Sing-Say" is the mantra that drowns out any real intellectual inquiry occurring in your mind.

[@leondriabryant]

It takes a lot of courage to self reflect the way Dr. Robin DiAngelo does here.

[@leondriabryant]

@Grabbed You By The Pussy Honestly, as a black woman I don't see the difference.

[@elcarto22]

@Grabbed You By The Pussy Hey Brainiac, being Jewish is a RELIGION, not a race. Do try to keep up, pea-brain.

[@williamtaylor5193]

The world would be a lot better off if she would spend her time in the garden.

[@elcarto22]

@@williamtaylor5193 Or if trolls like you would just play with yourself, instead of wasting everybody's time online.

[@TheMarapasa]

@@elcarto22 being Jewish is way more than just a RELIGION it's a culture, as well as having distinct DNA...I guess you are Ashka-normative!

[@kbkesq]

13:00- she almost says the same gaffee that Biden said about Obama back in 2008, saying “he’s clean and well spoken and smart candidate.”

[@tommccormick9290]

I grew up among blacks at least as much as whites and noticed a sad cultural decline over the past 40+years. Whites are not at all to blame for the egregious dysfunction that affects so many blacks today. It's about time for them to accept accountability for their actions.

[@Tigerbythetoe]

Also, it’s very telling that nearly all of the videos of Robin have the comments turned off and the like/dislike numbers hidden!

[@dr.joemarquez3956]

I’m Hispanic and this lady is redefining racism to help herself sell her book. This is not helpful.

[@jonstewartsuperfan2988]

She's not redefining anything - she's saying uncomfortable truths which white folks like me don't like to hear and just because a book is successful doesn't mean the author is just doing it for the money - it means people want to read what she has to say

[@jpalvarez4972]

@@jonstewartsuperfan2988 White folks like you? You mean racists like yourself and DiAngelo? Deal with your prejudices instead of projecting them onto all white people.

[@jonstewartsuperfan2988]

@@jpalvarez4972 how did you figure I'm racist ? I'm not projecting anything , I'm an anti racist and have marched in anti nazi marches and I know white folks and have been around white folks all my life and I know exactly how much racism exists

[@jpalvarez4972]

@@jonstewartsuperfan2988 You're saying that DiAngelo is speaking "truths". No, she's stating how SHE feels about black people, which tallies with how YOU feel about black people, and then y'all are projecting your BS. Saying "All white people in the west have the same prejudices as me!" is the easy way out. Take responsibility and become a better person to stand alongside the decent whites out there who are free of your vile biases. You can do it.

[@jonstewartsuperfan2988]

@@jpalvarez4972 Hahahahah , bro the book is not about me - it's about Robin's experiences as racial sensitivity worker . Go read the book first before accusing me of nonsense because you literally made me laugh out loud , thanks for the laughter

[@andrearush6209]

This woman is straight up insane. She's got the jam going - "If you disagree with me it can't be for any other reason than you're a racist." Wow.

[@GozerTheGozerian]

This is 100% pure projection from a woman born into wealth and privilege, who has never known a financial worry in her life, trying to ease her guilt by making a career out of telling other people they're privileged.

[@rakhalif66]

Seemingly striking nerves...

[@GozerTheGozerian]

@@rakhalif66 Has that argument ever worked on anyone?

[@rakhalif66]

@@GozerTheGozerian, evidently... although you would have the answer to that ,more so than I

[@GozerTheGozerian]

@@rakhalif66 Malaka using the name Leonidas, a man without whom western civilization would not exist, who represents the best of us and would be deemed a perpetuator of "toxic masculinity" by this woman you hold in such esteem, Robin DiAngelo. Since the burden of proof rests with you and anyone else making these claims, perhaps you can explain to me how a 65-year-old woman from San Francisco is the authority on all things race-related, and why she's even remotely qualified to judge others.

[@rakhalif66]

@@GozerTheGozerian who better to deal with a present than an actvated former?..... which are you?

[@philipdraper7284]

All I can say is....Read Thomas Sowell’s “intellectuals and race” as well

[@sergeyzelvenskiy5126]

It's great to see people, who are outraged to be called "racists" regardless of their actions, go to church to be called "sinners" regardless of their actions.

[@JonathanRossRogers]

The main thing I learned from this was that Robin's "white progressive" identity is very important to her.

[@kristianpeterson2571]

Where’s your data? “There’s a glee...” 🙄

[@yellowdogparty]

You know what the opposite of woke is? "I have a dream."

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

Eff the “I Have Dream” speech. I have no interest in being part of a group that doesn’t want me as a member. I don’t want my kids holding hands with a kid that’s only holding theirs to virtue signal. MLK Jr can take his dream and shove it.

[@els1f]

I'll never forget the time I was at work and a well-meaning older white woman said, "OMG I love your hair" to the black woman standing next to her, and then reached out and touched her natural kind of "mini-afro". I stood there for a second like 😯 and could only say, "wow, this really does STILL happen?!" Jesus, at the very least ask her first ffs

[@williamtaylor5193]

The touching is a little offensive, but don't read too much racism into it. Just live your life, be cool to others, and stop talking about racism.

[@GypsyPriest]

Been around women much? Now if a strange guy said he liked my beard and reached out to touch it... Well, I'm not a woman... so...

[@suzannesantos86]

If someone touched my hair I’d be creeped the heck out and probably kick her in the shins. I actually said to a black woman many years ago she had a beautiful hairstyle (no touching involved), but I guess even that was accidental racism and she was the first African Person I met in my twenties and she was beautiful. But in my naïveté and awkwardness I didn’t compute that the same act would annoy me because I had been subject to years of people commenting on my looks, my fashion sense and touching inappropriately. Being a ‘so-called pretty, skinny, strawberry blonde white girl’ had major downfalls and I should have done better! Luckily she didn’t whack me in thee shins.

[@dawnlarsen615]

Touching a person without permission is assault: full stop. Never OK. I am amazed on a daily basis by the creative ways that Black women express themselves in their appearance! Some of these ways are so creative, and take.a lot of painstaking time. I applaud you. Much respect.

[@kittiealdakkour7605]

I have natural blonde hair - and grew up in South Texas. People touched my hair all the time - then when I got older they asked me if I bleached it.. which seemed rude, but I realized they were just giving me a compliment.

[@GilliganMGCrebs]

This woman talking about her virtousness, however when push comes to shove her types nearly always expose themselves as being the true racist. This is why they flog others for their own guilt thinking and/ or actions.

[@jameyjohnsonfanva8688]

Bingo! Lance. She reminds me of a woman who cheats on her husband who has never cheated on her, yet she constantly accuses him of cheating.

[@jameyjohnsonfanva8688]

The look on the interviewer was like, this woman is crazy. You can tell even she knew this woman was full of shit. Nothing she said was consistent.

[@richardst.romain6837]

@Aramis3737 because shes telling me to tell my black wife that I'm racist.

[@sylviapozos2076]

exacty. "I am racist therefore every other white person is racist" how 'bout no?

[@sayresrudy2644]

BINGO!!! exactly McWhorter’s arg

[@augustusarbogast9862]

Oof. Came here for the comments, stayed here for the fun.

[@kena.8625]

She is a sociologist, not a comedien, yet I laugh far more at her.

[@vincentcerasoli5969]

And people of color are laughing at your ignorance. For the rest of your life.

[@avarivers-garcia8458]

Wow. Just wow. I have worked with all kinds of people and you can definitely separate people into all sorts of categories like culture, ethnicity, education, wealth, religion, sex etc, but you know what? It really wasn't hard to get along with everyone because it didn't matter how different we were from each other. There was always something we had in common that we could talk about. All it takes to be real with someone is a simple conversation, getting to know people and caring about them. This woman probably never had one authentic conversation with anyone in her life. She reminds me of one of those co-workers you had to work with who never bothered to find out about anyone's personal life like if they had children, where they grew up and went to school, what they did for fun on the weekends. You know the type. They were uppity and had no sense of humor. She seems to exist in a bubble. No wonder she is racist and has had these moments of "clarity" where she had to face her own ignorance. But for her to then draw the conclusion that because she is racist it means all white people are racist is ridiculous. We are all unique. Not all white people think the same. Not all black people think the same. You can't define an entire group with sweeping generalizations. We learn this basic concept in kindergarten. It blows my mind that what I was taught almost 40 years ago is now turned around completely. I was taught that the colour of one's skin does not matter. Now this woman wants to change that to be yes, the colour of your skin matters and if you are white, you are guilty of causing all the hurt and suffering of anyone who is non white and there is nothing you can say or do to make it better. Don't people see the damage that kind of thinking can cause? It would be a terrible mistake to allow this woman to spread her crazy BS.

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

I belong to the dominate identity group in the country I live in so I think we Dominicans, Haitians, Chinese, and Venezuelans all get along pretty great. From the Haitian perspective, the scenario may not be so rosy.

[@henrymcallister5064]

Sou Garcia, you're learning. Now study, really study and think.about all the thing you remember being told.about race. Once you do this you want feel shame for growing.up accepting racism. You will understand that you didn't have s choice .

[@jaromevanwells808]

The hard fought battles of the gay community agaisnt labels was a long one. Now we are seeing the labelers branding a hot iron of racism on all of us. Blacks, Whites, Asian and so on. You label something to manipulate it or to own it. Those were the words of my hero Dr Martin Luther King. I always remembered that. These Social experts know very well what they are doing. We people and good neighbors won't be subjugated by this branding. True equality doesn't come with a racial name tag.

[@markh9236]

I find it amazing DiAngelo has ANYONE buying into this. The facts she has her following should scare all people who feel individuality is important. .

[@thechangingtimes]

Mark H buying into what? Systemic racism is REAL. Denial of racism IS the new racism: www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6%3famp

[@robynalvin6319]

Mark H it’s called white guilt.

[@freeindeed8416]

@@thechangingtimes Systemic racism? Explain

[@markisabell1637]

@@thechangingtimes Kafkatrap- A sophistical rhetorical device in which any denial by an accused person serves as evidence of guilt. What we have here is a white (and perhaps racist) liberal woman virtue signaling while pushing the soft bigotry of low expectations on the black community. Has a Marxist theme to it

[@markisabell1637]

@@robynalvin6319 Kafkatrap- A sophistical rhetorical device in which any denial by an accused person serves as evidence of guilt. What we have here is a white (and perhaps racist) liberal woman virtue signaling while pushing the soft bigotry of low expectations on the black community. Has a Marxist theme to it

[@tvdeth]

WOEHAHAHA i'm a vegetarian, how can i be racist! and i actually recognize the feeling

[@els1f]

Isn't that crazy? That sentence shouldn't make any sense, but I understood it completely 😄

[@Mejuz]

I honestly like her humour and the way she makes fun of herself.

[@Mr.Mosquito89]

@@Mejuz Okay, Robin.

[@01What10]

Yup, wannabe racist Robin DiAngelo's in this comment section.

[@kjmmcn7002]

She will never get me to hate the color of my skin.

[@jonstewartsuperfan2988]

Nobody ever told you to hate the color of your skin . The book is about acknowledging systemic racism in society and how to make things better . I'm amazed you failed to understand something so incredibly simple

[@anubiasnku140]

@@jonstewartsuperfan2988 That is just her opinion, I personally do not agree with her. Freedom of thought right ?

[@jonstewartsuperfan2988]

@@anubiasnku140 it's fact - not opinion . Saying green is the best color is opinion , saying the sky is blue is a fact , saying racism exists is a fact

[@samuraijosh1595]

@@anubiasnku140 you have the freedom to reply too...but why didn't ya? Because you know you were wrong! Lol.

[@rememberlikeaphoenix6119]

maybe the fragility comes from constantly being pounded with the same subjects. Kinda like when you keep picking at the same sore.....

[@bighutch2202]

Right because if we ignore a problem, it just magically goes away🤣🤣. Like covid in the summer right?🤣

[@oudguitar]

You're the most pure essence of what Marx called the bourgeoisie. If you disagree with what I'm saying you have bourgeoisie fragility 🤣

[@DH-dt2hk]

Says your "white privilege"

[@jhitchcock5503]

There is actually criteria for generalizing data, even if you're a sociologist.

[@mandiraraksit689]

I wish more and more white people would face the mirror and go through this kind of self reflection. This is not easy; yet this rigorous experimentation would set some of them free.

[@williamtaylor5193]

I wish social justice warriors would drop dead. Then we might actually have a chance to end racism.

[@DH-dt2hk]

@curated comment Sigh... You have so much to learn grasshopper!

[@DH-dt2hk]

@@williamtaylor5193 Ending racism? Human beings created the term so who has to end it.... Aliens?

[@virginiusmaximus7006]

Lol the irony here. Mandira Raksit is a Hindi name, which means you're either from Indian heritage or live in India. How about you face the mirror and go through some self reflection yourself, considering that India has the most slaves in the world, by a magnitude of 17X more than anyone else.

[@TheNeufin8tor]

no thanks

[@reforest4fertility]

A hallmark of democracy is embracement of diversity. This is how every shade of perspectives get reflected in overall policy, giving a broad general good feeling about governance (the actions of) & so too government (the thing itself). Yeah, Paradise by Toni Morrison is, in part, about colour blindness. Embracement of the diversity of perspectives yields leveling between the colours, finally, incidentally.

[@reinerwilhelms-tricarico344]

Does her book come with a whip for self flogging?

[@Mejuz]

No. Text on page. And no need to self-flog, only to open up and try to see things from another than your usual perspective. Thing is, though, that the text in the book, if you really allow it in and don't get defensive right away (which you are ;-) will also be far more effective than to just self-flog.

[@reinerwilhelms-tricarico344]

M. A. Zing I gave it a try and watched her presentations on KZbin. Her “theories” are a closed system, almost a set of axioms that are indisprovable. She is de facto a cult leader and makes a lot of money with it - only she and a few anointed converts “know” and can teach how to overcome white supremacy and racism. It is quite destructive for developing positive race relations - because the deeper problems aren’t addressed. The dumbest part of this is that White people are by default racists, and the absurd claim that Black people “can’t really be racist” - by the faulty definition of what racism is. This doctrine may be popular now but it won’t age very well - if we are lucky. If not and if it becomes the leading doctrine of the power elite to justify oppression of deviating ideas, it may well result in civil war. This may sound hyperbolic now, but there are many signs reminding of Mao’s Great Cultural Revolution, mostly without Marx and Mao.

[@reinerwilhelms-tricarico344]

Aramis3737 . Undisprovable or unfalsifiable: For example: “I have tiny unicorns in my ass. Unfortunately they can not be detected by any scientific method”. She does the same with intrinsic white racism. If you’re white but oppose her theory, that by itself she sees as proof of your racism. Hence the title of the book, white fragility.

[@freeindeed8416]

Major sadist

[@scottwilson9404]

Thanks for the education.... I now truly understand she is insane

[@encyaustin7410]

I listened to a podcast where two African American women were very angry with Robin DiAngelo ( a white woman) for making money off a book that centered on black people's plight dealing with racisim. They said DiAngelo should donate ALL the money she is making to black organizations.

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

White people have been making billions off of black people for the last five hundred years! What’s one more!?

[@louisfriend7388]

Diangelo’s “lived experience” argument is beyond ridiculous. James Baldwin and Thomas Sowell lived blocks from each other in 1940s and 50’s Harlem. One became a celebrated left wing intellectual. The other became a celebrated conservative intellectual. Baldwin actually grew up with running water. There were years in Sowell’s childhood when he did not.

[@MsRvpfactory]

Everything is "feelings" "what I see" the interviewer even pressed you on your facts and you couldn't give any! You are the racist if you have these feelings and thoughts!

[@ethanmorris8108]

Some ideas are so ludicrous that only an intellectual can believe them.

[@bighutch2202]

This comment section confirms the points of the interviewee. Amazing how many racists came to comment but not comprehend. But listening to her, especially in the beginning, was enlightening regarding the "I'm not racist" mindset. Always wondered how so many whites could say "they dont see color" with a straight face when their actions and words say otherwise. I pity racists, they dont even realize the harm they do to themselves and this country, let alone those victimized by their hate.

[@rjc7289]

All that's confirmed by your statement is your own confirmation bias. If somebody erroneously labeled you something that you knew in your heart, mind and soul you were not, you would be angry too! The real racist is the interviewee for making a bunch of outlandish claims she cannot back up with facts, and you happen to be gullible enough to swallow her horseshit hook, line and sinker! She's trying to perpetuate a false sense of guilt and shame on all white people by making one ignorant blanket statement after another.

[@buicklincoln]

If she feels so badly about racism, she should donate all profits from her book sales to the black community.

[@thechef5531]

"You're a particular kind of human" WTF? 😂😂😂

[@NPCNonBinary]

The Chef: you can’t see that she is a particular human you bigot!

[@adynannetts1740]

Robin: I've got a great idea... Let's combat racism with racism.

[@goldleaf9324]

Robin has a good idea. She wordd it good. An idea before its time too. This is the age of Trump.

[@jamesdean3548]

Don Lemon asks Morgan Freeman: Do you think race has anything to do with inequality? “Today?” Freeman answered. “No. … You and I, we’re proof.” “Why would race have anything to do with it?” he added. “Put your mind to what you want to do and go for that. It’s kind of like religion to me - it’s a good excuse for not getting there.”

[@BigC60]

She makes the joke "white people are so fragile they are afraid of black women's hair" then says it's racial bias against black people's hair. WTF.

[@mlight6845]

The issue is fragile self concepts that need to be propped up by making another seem less than. Racism will not stop until all people know their value, a tall order.

[@theultimatewarrior2218]

That's powerful.

[@mlight6845]

@@theultimatewarrior2218 Yeah, it would be so fine to make this major stride in this lifetime.

[@HiGlowie]

The Ultimate Warrior right? I had the same feeling when I read it. It’s a tough situation.

[@gracevalentine1666]

In 1997, at Grossmont Union School District, after interviewing and earning the job, I was told I would not be hired because the students needed teachers that looked like them. First time I’ve told that story -

[@talyah23]

I'm sorry that happened to you. Amazing because it should be the opposite. You should have teachers who aren't like you so they can teach and show you a different world view. So you could learn from others experiences and their views. Diversity is imperative at a school or workplace. People won't change if they are only around people who are like them.

[@gracevalentine1666]

Talya H you’re very kind- just to add: I taught for 20 years and did good work. Many students - especially the girls used to say my classes made them feel smart.🍎

[@5822huron]

Great points

[@GozerTheGozerian]

A white woman from a wealthy San Francisco family, who lives in a cozy academic bubble, lecturing a black woman on how to think about race. Bonus: She slips into a slight blaccent when recalling beginning at 9:16 how she offended a black colleague. Unbelievable.

[@valencia4215]

While I appreciate Ms. DiAngelo's attempt to help ameliorate black/white disparities, she should also know that blacks, of which I am one, have a responsibility to compete, ignore unintended racially insensitive remarks, pursue education, build businesses and industries, and take responsibility in our own pathology. I don't want to be patted on the head and felt sorry for by whites or anyone else. As long as the playing field remains open and fair then, white people can get out of the way and let me do me. Here's a little something to consider from Bill Maher. kzbin.info/www/bejne/imHUY42IadN1q6c

[@valencia4215]

@curated comment Wow, I think either I should edit my comment for clarity or you should re-read it. I have white friends, and I want black people NOT to react to any insensitive remarks that a white person might make. All people are human, and everything is not about race. The BLM crew toss that word around like a frisbee. America has largely moved beyond race and blacks need to behave as if they have self-worth. Get out of my way simply meant, there is nothing stopping us from living the lives we wish to have. I simply don't give white people or anyone else power over me. That's for wimps.

[@caseywyatt6299]

Valencia...mediocrity and incompetence is all around us. Rest assured that opportunities are reality through effort and assertion. Whatever the obstacle, it can be overcome. Do your thing, the world is whatever you make of it.

[@valencia4215]

@@caseywyatt6299 Yes, indeed. I wish more black people would come out of the cultural closet and push back on these so-called woke BLM idiots. Whenever we do, the mob goes absolutely c-r-a-z-y!

[@publicopinion3596]

She wants to keep these racial separations that were created long ago in colonial times. Those labels designed to separate humans based on colors like black, white, yellow and red. She is the one doing damage and not trying creating a culture of unity, at all. I understand that in the U.S.A. a lot of people see themselves through those racial lens but if a white person see themselves as a human then that's not them being racist but seeing themselves past a color label same goes for a black individual. Infact yes we are "imprisoned" by whatever language we speak and our culture. But even terms like human are simply symbolic labels to describe our specie if you can understand that, I say you have on a higher level of awareness and perspective of the world then this lady

[@DANCEMYDANCE]

Thank you

[@allanmoore4594]

the best thing about this book is it can be used to light a fire

[@patrickrussellclermont]

Just goes to show you anybody can write a book. Even if it is poppycock

[@Mejuz]

Read the book. Do you think you know what's in it after a 15+-minute talk about it? And hey, write your own book about it (or anything) and see if it will become a bestseller. Good luck! PS: I gather that you just don't like the message but can't afford to say so and attack the writer's intelligence or the logic of the topic instead. But what's true: 'anybody' can understand the patterns at work here. And that's what you should try to do. Good luck again. :-)

[@theprofessional5656]

@@Mejuz Anybody understands that she makes money with racism and yes, we don't like the message. Guess that's my anti-racism showing - sorry, I use your terminology - my white defensiveness. And no, I won't try becoming a race grifter, that's one of the most disgusting money grab careers I can think of, even if it's easy as can be today. I could pump out anti-white nonsense all day and idiots like you would lap it up, no problem, even esteemed "social science" publications would eat that shit up, as long as it's anti white racism. The grievance studies hilariously proved they'd even applaud literally Mein Kampf when it comes packaged the right way - so I wouldn't even wipe my behind with the works of somebody like DiAngelo, bucko

[@raysamson8658]

Diminish people because of their color. Put forward a broad generalized statement and don’t allow it to be challenged Sounds like gaslighting to me. Many many people died to end slavery, they weren’t all poc

[@anthonymorris5084]

If you're going to make a derogatory generalisation about White people could you please first define White.

[@claytontremblay7920]

It’s a skin tone not a nationality or ethnicity in particular. It’s pretty well judging a book by its cover and it’s how North America has operated itself in the past 500 years. I’m native Canadian and trust me both USA and Canada are very racist. Canada hides it a bit better than the USA but it’s there everyday for people like me to experience. So when I white looking person goes to a job interview or gets stopped by police it will usually go off without a hitch and it’s not because they act better in those situations but because they get better treatment to begin with. It seems like you’re trying to undermine what she’s saying by pretending not to know or make her seem racist for implying that there’s passive racism built within them. Many institutions use racism but will never openly admit it. This continent was built by minorities because during chattel slavery the Europeans were too lazy to do it themselves but sick enough to claim ownership over human lives and get them to do the work. My last name is French Canadian but I’m Nisga’a from northern British Columbia and there’s been times I’ve been hired over the phone and I don’t have any type accent as some natives here do, so they were expecting someone different and I’ve been sent back home saying they already got someone. Anyways like I said it’s not complicated in the least as it’s literally looking at skin tone and making a judgment on that person. I don’t understand what’s mot to get quite honestly

[@edwinlucianofrias1643]

Clayton Tremblay The entire premise of the United States and Canada, which are extensions of the British Empire, is that some people are entitled to more than other people. Just look at who’s on your bank notes.

[@anthonymorris5084]

@@edwinlucianofrias1643 How do you reconcile this obscene notion when Canada, the United states and all other Anglo nations like Australia and New Zealand are the freest, wealthiest, safest, most prosperous with the best human rights records on the globe? Or do you use a different measuring when judging other races, cultures and countries like China, or places like Africa or the Middle East? Can you imagine for one second what North America would be like today if others, like the above mentioned colonized the place. You'd find out what the terms racism and genocide really mean.

[@anthonymorris5084]

@@claytontremblay7920 *"It’s a skin tone not a nationality or ethnicity in particular."* Sounds more like you just judge them on their racism. If they demonstrate racism they're White, if they aren't racist they aren't White. Is an Italian White? Someone from Spain? Iceland? Israel? Syria? Is Beyoncé White? Her skin is pretty light these days and she wears her hair like a White person. You are making derogatory generalisations from reinforced assumptions. *"So when I white looking person goes to a job interview or gets stopped by police it will usually go off without a hitch and it’s not because they act better in those situations but because they get better treatment to begin with"* Prove it. Show me your data. Do you know the characteristic that gets almost everybody in trouble with the police? Resisting. Being disrespectful. In almost every single case of police violence the perp resisted and tried to flee. *"Many institutions use racism but will never openly admit it"* It is illegal to do this. In fact there are strict legal and social diversity demands throughout the corporate and political world in this country. *"This continent was built by minorities because during chattel slavery the Europeans were too lazy"* You just made a racist comment. When people don't engage in certain types of labour it's because they have money not because they are all lazy. You are now guilty of the very thing you're complaining about. *"but sick enough to claim ownership over human lives and get them to do the work."* The Anglo world were the first culture in history to ever voluntarily end slavery. The British fought slavery on a global level. The Anglo world was the first people to abolish slavery. Every race and culture under the sun has engaged in slavery including your own. Slavery exists today all over the world within other cultures. The U.N. claims there are 18 million people enslaved in India today. People love to blame White people for everything. *"I’ve been hired over the phone and I don’t have any type accent as some natives here do, so they were expecting someone different and I’ve been sent back home saying they already got someone."* Do you have proof of this? Evidence? Or is this just more assumptions you're making because of the narrative engrained in your head. You are only a victim of embracing victimhood. *"I said it’s not complicated in the least as it’s literally looking at skin tone and making a judgment on that person."* So you're saying there is some type of genetic disposition toward racism in White people that nobody else has. You are a racist.

[@claytontremblay7920]

Edwin Luciano Well the British empire is only an extension of the African empire so what’s your point? I’ve clearly stated that I am Nisga’a from northwest British Columbia and we were the last of the indigenous tribes to encounter those lost immigrants all those years ago. We Nisga’a have even fought the Canadian government to win our land back and after 113 years we did get it back and are a sovereign nation within Canada. We own the land the sea and the air in the Nass Valley that covers some 200 000 square kilometres so I’d hardly call us an extension of the British empire anymore than England is an extension of Africa. It’s the same logic as the British left Africa and settled in what is now the United Kingdom and we did the same thing and we settled in the America’s. Then after getting lost at sea trying to find India they encountered us and instead of chillin for a bit then going home the morons never left and began making anchor babies.

[@imagineitagain558]

Even if she didn’t debate, say she’s not good rhetorically or just responding in the heat of a debate stage. She could at least write a piece defending the accusations of her work. Some of mine are: Unfalsifiable - many of her arguments are framed in an unfalsifiable way, meaning there are no measures available that could disprove her idea. It’s the same as the Flying Spaghetti Monster, you can’t prove he DOESN’T exist. Even more, she pushes the idea that one must prove their innocence. She says to an objection of racism by a white person that “that point doesn’t mean you aren’t racist” which means she is expecting white people to be racist and no matter how you add up examples and lifestyles of doing very non racist things, it’s never enough to prove you aren’t racist, which is already backwards because it suggests you must prove your innocence. A mere accusation can never become all it takes to secure guilt on someone. She also straw man’s opposing positions, such as how she talks about individualism, objectivity, and others. Though she doesn’t address some of the most obvious objections to her work in general. Much of what she cited is in the same canon of the postmodern victimhood thinking. It’s swimming in its own excrement. She makes numerous non sequiturs, such as the white person being “racially innocent” implies that blacks are guilty. No one has to be guilty, it’s a non sequitur. It’s like if I said “I grew up sheltered, I’m fairly innocent” no one is thinking “everyone else is guilty.” It’s just a way to talk about lack of exposure and therefore cognitive culpability. Further, she only says it would imply blacks are guilty, but why not all other racial minorities since they aren’t white and apparently white innocence is supposed to impose guilt on that which is non white? It makes no sense. She has false dichotomies, circular thinking, just about anything that would have lost you points on a college paper.

[@BS-vx8dg]

Most DiAngelo KZbin videos have the comments turned off. I'm surprised to see this one allows dialogue.

[@bobsheerin6065]

If I am able to recognize a complete idiot, does that mean I'm fragile? If this woman ever embraced reality, there is no evidence of it.

[@LisaBeergutHolst]

I don't know, try looking in the mirror lol

[@bobf5360]

30K views is not nearly enough. this needs to be seen by millions, maybe billions of people.

[@carlawhite2576]

No...it needs to be debunked and riduculed and seen by no one!

[@christopherlong4287]

Carla White educate yourself, outsource, study for over 2 decades then debunk it then 🤷🏾

[@kenmiles23]

Check out they aren't right Winger kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXKvhWxrjJqan68

[@kevinkibble8342]

I think it's better that this toxic lying hag of a woman doesn't get the publicity she craves.

[@croagh202]

The most unctuous "you're welcome " I've ever heard in my life 😄

[@vegadon4112]

Just scroll down the comments and you can smell the fragility and probably none of them recognize it . 🤣🤣.

[@jermainesnyder2375]

Wow great interview!

[@markisabell1637]

Kafkatrap- A sophistical rhetorical device in which any denial by an accused person serves as evidence of guilt. What we have here is a white (and perhaps racist) liberal woman virtue signaling while pushing the soft bigotry of low expectations on the black community. Has a Marxist theme to it