Amazing Film Shows 1968 College Students Arguing Then Black Students Walk Out

[@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker]

Another film from the 1960s-1970s revealing how police saw what they were doing during difficult riots etc. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hpS4Z4qlr9KGfrs David Hoffman filmmaker

[@longlivegrandson3333]

Holy shit, Mr.Hoffman.... this exactly how the left is today. Metaphorically speaking of course. For some years now, it's been this way where you just cant seem to please anyone. Even when the majority of people in office are fighting for those or their ideals.. But you know what? They're about to overturn Roe v Wade, and in my opinion call me crazy idk, I see a country prepared to go back towards the far right now and those kind of ideals be the more widely accepted and idk.. I don't know what to think of this other than history so very obviously repeating itself. Though I'd share my thoughts with ya! Would love to hear back as I am a huge fan of your work.

[@longlivegrandson3333]

That Edward Shwartz seems like an alright guy idk. That "well gentleman I think we're uncovering racism here today" line was gold.

[@ysosirius2886]

Sadly, the Jesuit education system handpicks their prey the rest are fed to the sharks with a minimal education and student debt to this day

[@Celtic_Iron]

Back when students in their 20s looked 35+

[@DJ5780]

Lol that's so true!

[@apatameh5155]

I was just thinking I'm 38 and I look younger than every single person in this.

[@Tubbs777]

compared to these guys I look like a 13 year old smh

[@Tubbs777]

@@apatameh5155 that's a good thing

[@Offthbadan]

Maybe from breathing in all that unfiltered cigarette smoke. 😤

[@kl56tjy98]

This doesn't make sense. There is no moderator and they are still waiting for each other to finish their sentence! I don't believe this is real!

[@jeffreywitty3088]

it was called "respectful discourse". People used to listen to others "reasons" regardless, unless it was "batsh*t" insanity

[@reginamushi6582]

Hahahhah love that

[@sever427]

Right what kind of humane adult bs is this

[@ginafranciosi3252]

I feel sorry for you . Are you implying a conversation between people without a moderator isn't real ?

[@sever427]

@@ginafranciosi3252 he's saying people don't respect each other enough anymore

[@realSimoneCherie]

No moderator? Active listening? I’ll be damned. 🧐

[@jeb9179]

there was a moderator i believe he was the guy in the red chair with the mustache and glasses

[@Thomas-xn4tk]

There is a moderator. Did you not see people raising their hands at certain points? That's for the moderator to pick them to speak to prevent people just yelling at each other. This clip edited out the moderator, and this discussion was obviously longer than fifteen minutes. Most speakers were midway through talking when the video cut to them.

[@ganador13]

@@Thomas-xn4tk No matter how you slice it, people in this video were much better at sharing ideas and listening to each other than kids today. Except for that one black dude who kept talking over others, being angry, calling people white boy and determined to believe everyone is the enemy as well as posturing and making personal remarks. He is the primordial seed of today's woke SJW left.

[@HavokBWR]

walking out and refusing to listen. welp that didnt last long.

[@Mr.Caring]

Hello sweetness

[@rudy7759]

“The fact that this discussion hasn’t gotten anywhere is a testament to how deep the problem is”

[@brucegwynn8509]

Amen, still talking the same old crap , it's either very tragic or very stupid and going nowhere

[@doubleemcastillano464]

I disagree to an extent. There were several white students that said what the issue actually was, and I agree with them. The black people are preaching to the choir. They are debating and arguing with the universities which is a major supporter of their movement. The schools (for the most part) are not their enemy and I think since then, black people have come to realize that one of our biggest assets in creating the conversation and changing the standard is the higher academia. I think what we need now is to balance our argument. There’s things going waaay too far that are turning people against the movement. Like defunding STEM and having only black students show up to class and requesting all not black students stay at home for a few days. It’s following a doctrine that was enforced upon us when we shouldn’t be going tit for tat, we should be aiming to gain ground and equal footing and teaching to the next generation of Americans the current issues. The current issue is one of balancing the idea that black people were victims to the United States for hundreds of years vs teaching them that black people are normal US citizens. If you do too much of one, you end up overlooking the other when both are important in healing our communities.

[@divineapology818]

@@doubleemcastillano464 There will be no healing in America because America refuses to admit to the atrocities committed against blacks. Even now, there's legislation to ban teaching of true American history in schools. Books about black history are being removed from school libraries-even a children's book about Rosa Parks has been removed. All of this under the veil of banning a theoretical construct that isn't even taught in schools. " Preaching to the choir" means telling people what they already know. You're right. America is well aware that there are disparities against black people in every area. There are plenty of studies and stats to back this up, but amending those issues are not and will never be a priority. And we have the nerve to tell black people to get over it, to stop talkin about it, and devote time and energy to the service of other causes. That is the deeper issue.

[@hasbug223]

This whole video is "what about us" White People: "What about Vietnam?" Black People: "What about Racism?" Women: "What about Sexism?" The sad thing is that there are all correct, but even though they are all connected, someone will be left behind.

[@Thee-_-Outlier]

You are making the mistake of thinking there was ever a discussion. Reality is there was only a dog and pony show for both the black and white populace to suck up and be distracted by while the liberal democratic hegonomy is spread across the world at an alarming rate by Dem and rep alike. Geopolitics, world domination and the merger of private and public entities is the only thing both Dems and Reps agree on or care about. The fact anyone thinks social issues in politics is anything but a misdirection is why we may be doomed

[@simply_exploring]

back when debates didn’t sound like a sitcom.

[@isaacennis2077]

Facts

[@beansntoastyt2616]

That’s a lot of generalizing for only about 100 “big” debates with politicians over the years, you shouldn’t have that kinda mindset

[@VNExperience]

Noticeably missing the applauds for punchlines

[@charliekowittmusic]

@@beansntoastyt2616 Who said anything about politicians? Most debates today have lost their dialectical and problem-solving goals. It’s now a performance, cheering on a side, and trying to crush or embarrass your interlocutor.

[@charliekowittmusic]

Take, for example, a know-nothing reactionary like Ben Shapiro. He uses almost exclusively logical fallacies, and is known as the ‘cool kid’s hyper-logical philosopher’ for spewing out Breitbart propaganda at the speed of light. It’s an absolute embarrassment, yet he has the #1 political talk show podcast in the country (last time I checked).

[@fafolaw]

I like how these 30-year-old teenagers are respectfully discussing serious issues while smoking a cigar at their University

[@suffsuff391]

Thats the problem. They banned smoking and now people are too on edge to hold a conversation for longer than 30 seconds without screaming over each other.

[@DoggyP00]

@@suffsuff391 Finally getting to the heart of the problem

[@pot0tin]

WHen smoking was banned in my school everybody died inside.

[@maxi-me]

@@suffsuff391 I'm not a smoker but you may actually be onto something significant there. I read some years ago that the seeds of the French revolution were planted in coffee houses.

[@misternobody6798]

@@suffsuff391 What about people who can't breathe effectively when someone next to them is smoking? They too have worked hard to be at the University and have the right to opportunity to participate in University debates. If someone wants to smoke that is entirely upto them but if it's going to have health impact on others too then doesn't it make sense to smoke before, during breaks, or after the debate in a "smoking room"?

[@djinngeist114]

No matter what the subject or issues, seeing people actually hold a conversation is beautiful.

[@levaal1981]

Not any more, notnin US. no more free speech. Only left and nothing more. Congrats US

[@djinngeist114]

@@levaal1981 Thats the point of the comment really. No one actually has a conversation anymore. Its just arguments, and not even productive arguments at that. And as for the other comment above, the reason why they cater to the woke mob is because they are using them as pawns to further their agenda. These people that are part of cancel culture feel like they are in control for a brief moment when they destroy someone's life, but they are nothing more than puppets doing the work of the elites. The truth is if everyone who didn't have the same views as them just kept quiet, Stopped usingTwitter and so on and so forth, they would just destroy themselves in no time at all.

[@tomriddleishawt2409]

@Indian Guy who is BASED & REDPILLED! what..this is really embarrassing for YOU cause that's literally just tiktok wake tf up What happens in Tiktok stays in Tiktok in real life no one can say "You are canceled!!" And it's not "the leftists" its cancel culture and just so you know you are one of them....you and all these people think yall are better than eachother but you guys are the same Dumbasses🙂😐

[@Fishing-gs9ku]

Until the black guys get frustrated they aren’t the center of attention and walk out

[@tomriddleishawt2409]

@Indian Guy who is BASED & REDPILLED! please whether left or right if yall argue on who's better that's pathetic cause you guys are the same with different beliefs

[@djm4854]

I kept trying to figure out who the heck Diggett was...then I realized it was a DIG IT catchphrase. How 60s. LOLOLOL

[@beasaroseco5840]

😂🤣😂

[@Mrgamer7281]

Oh I thought that was someone’s name or something lmao

[@nomanshigh3058]

I'm right there with ya

[@homer5802]

I can dig it.

[@shonenPUNK17]

Wow....y'all been living under a rock for how long?

[@mikeandrews9944]

"it is foolish to speak to someone who is not listening" -someone wiser than me

[@bronzed0181]

Racism is still thick, and ignored. Afraid of change...😢while we suffer because of it. I shouldn’t worry about my sins to go into the store because we live in a nice neighborhood. We must go out with our young people to keep them safe. 50 yrs, and it’s still the same.

[@PajamaJazama]

​@@bronzed0181 There are still issues but it's not the same, don't be so glum man.

[@Arccanos]

@@bronzed0181 Anyone who thinks racism is still "thick and ignored" is insane. Biggest problem impacting my people is my people. No data suggests otherwise.

[@bronzed0181]

What? Stop trolling. Either you white or trolling.

[@bronzed0181]

@@PajamaJazama ive been around long enough to know what’s true

[@alexeikazakov4806]

David, it is difficult to express just how valuable you and your channel are. Sometimes I sit down and try to think of how difficult it would have been to access archival footage of this kind before the Internet existed. Stuff like this is what the Internet was invented for, and I'm so glad you've taken the time over the years to trawl through your archive and digitize it.

[@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker]

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[@jazzyjones6375]

Alexei I agree it’s stuff like this , David’s work , is what the internet was made for. I was so excited about you tube in 2005 , my older brother told me about it. My brother Alexander posted his acting and comedy skits , in 2005 he did one about Donald Trump and “The Blacks” who knew? The you tube I remember was filled with bright talented people of all ages, colors and backgrounds and some junk. Now you really have to look for the good stuff or push the algorithm for it.

[@ScribblebytesWorldwide]

@@jazzyjones6375 what's your brother's channel?

[@theangrydweller1002]

The internet truly is humanity greatest achievement.

[@cato451]

Seeing this makes me realize how far we have descended into the abyss of stupid.

[@americanhero8606]

We are a more sensitive and perhaps over-educated society today. But I'd rather have that, than living back in those days with all the blowhards in their (literally) smoke-filled rooms.

[@PlebianGorilla]

These are college students having a debate. You’ll see similar and more advanced conversations within colleges today. More people are educated today. Society is vastly further ahead today. We have worlds more information and no way in HELL I’d ever wanna live during the time this video was recorded. This is the Dunning-Kruger effect taking place within your head.

[@threeminuteshate]

What’s notable to me is that these people are having long-form conversation. It feels like there is greater opportunity for understanding one another in this context. Even once the black students left the conversation there was an effort to articulate why they felt it was necessary to do so. Discourse today is about scoring points, coming up with zingers, and trying to humiliate your opponent. It has lead to a polarization I don’t think our nation is going to overcome.

[@chuggynation8275]

@@PlebianGorilla Kids are literally being taught to be racist. Look up critical race theory its everywhere, they say to white kids in primary school that they are racist and have white privilege its actually fucking disgusting honestly surprising people are still uninformed about it. Kids go to college/University and come out completely brainwashed by Marxist doctrines and massive debt both of which did not exist in 1968. Just look up any video of Ben Shapiro speaking to these kids and they're completely lost and the teachers are too blame.

[@jamesbennett5587]

@@americanhero8606 I wouldn't say over educated more like have more accces to education and to learn

[@anashe11]

I think this comment section is misunderstanding the fact that these students were aware their debate and entire conversation would be broadcasted nationally. Of course this is not representative of the everyday average classroom back then. I strongly strongly encourage you to attend a university debate event in today’s time because you’ll see our brilliant thinkers like these students today. Don’t get bogged down comparing this university’s absolute best to the typical debates and conversations going on today. I promise you there were idiots back then just like there are today the same way there were and still are brilliant and critical thinking minds. If anything we need to bring back this national broadcasting of University student debates to help ensure the smartest voices in academia today are heard over the noise of popularity online.

[@MrAnimason]

Exactly!

[@williammoody1911]

Just signed up for debating society!

[@sb_dunk]

@@MrTheclevercat You say the left Burn Loot Murder... Have you any examples of the left murdering as they please? I've only heard of right-wing ideologues killing those on the left (e.g. driving cars into crowds). The fact that you used that play on BLM indicates to me that you get a lot of your information from an echo chamber, it's also very likely that KZbin serves up a lot of right-wing videos to you. So it's likely your view of discourse at universities is filtered through a right-wing lense, for example, through The Daily Wire or Dave Rubin videos. Were you also not concerned by the events at the Capitol in January?

[@Sqvusz]

well said.

[@shaheenshad5012]

@@sb_dunk exactly

[@masonbricke4568]

This is the most civil race discussion I've seen in years.

[@LeSyd1984]

Like... fifty two years?

[@mmybickers]

I mean, perhaps if "people talking over you to the point you completely give up because it's obvious people are willfully avoiding discourse" is one's definition of civil.

[@Ericthefilo]

@@mmybickers Well it's replaced by people screaming over you, plastering your name over social media and ruining whatever future career you were intending on, banging gongs in lecture halls and throwing shit.

[@canalnormal7959]

​@@Ericthefilo Are you talking about "civil race discussion"? what's more to discuss? This topic its known for decades and the answer is also known. So as the problem. Racists should be punished collectively by society

[@CompPerformanceFreak]

Well yeah, now white people are just told to shut up, or they're labeled a racist and they get fired from their jobs and their entire lives are ruined.

[@MH3GL]

I'm not sure what is sadder: 1) That this same exact debate has been raging for over 50yrs without the realization that it will never change, or 2) That we can't even have this debate on a college campus today.

[@wvance0316]

Sounds to me like one side figured out the solution to ending part one by implementing part two. You can't debate if only one voice is heard. Problem solved... I guess.

[@awnewgent]

@White boy Summer kkk forced multiculturalism doesn't work...

[@tf4665]

People went around imagining that Trump told them to inject bleach, and then doubled down on it when the video was re-ran of him not saying that. We live in a world full of bizarre, incomprehensibly retarded people that makes one worried about the fact that these are also people who vote and directly affect other's lives.

[@yoinkling]

2)

[@MusicaDelCaribe]

@White boy Summer kkk the same thing happened during the French revolution.. and Americans all basically Have the same culture..

[@tashawilliams8288]

If you didn’t have a cigarette when you came, you damn sho needed one when you left.

[@OrangPasien]

That or an oxygen tank.

[@dr.vanhellsing]

It’s sad we have less freedom today. The fact that you could smoke like that in the open and now it’s considered revolutionary. It would be interesting to see what people will say in the next fifty years from now. People will be shocked when they hear us speak. Holy smoke that non-binary male who was assigned at birth is assuming people’s genders and identities.

[@user-nh3gu1ge3d]

@@dr.vanhellsing Smoking is a poor example, though. They were ignorant of the true damage cigarettes caused. Same thing with asbestos, lack of respirators, agent orange, etc. They might have known it was bad, like over eating junk food, but they didn't REALLY understand like we do now. It's a good thing smoking is gone. But yes, in general, the more freedoms the better.

[@jaredstevens5382]

Blacks always have to make the issue about them.

[@poopikins]

Dig it.

[@JamieHitt]

This is the longest cigarette commercial I have ever seen.

[@shayalkumar8209]

Lol...😂🤣😂🤣🤣

[@lumpydark6173]

Think i'd begin smoking too if I was there debatin'.

[@Did.You.Forget]

Girl. That should’ve been the discussion..if they only knew

[@HomoSapienMan]

lmao

[@SingWithUkraine]

Tobacco cigarettes were still cool but what is not cool the bunch of comments like this, so far from the point of the video.

[@scorpion7206]

I could smell the smoke through my screen

[@sweynforkbeard8857]

They can infringe on your ability to breathe clean air without remorse. This is all a smokescreen for a larger agenda.

[@Thegrumpycoach]

legend!!!

[@steverobinson4609]

You must be watching in 4d hehe

[@Jeffrie_Baer]

OH, the good ol days.

[@Yonnie2436]

Me too 🤣 I was holding my breath🤣

[@SonofStLouis]

At least back then they let each other speak even if they didn’t agree....now if you disagree with someone you’re just wrong and you shouldn’t be able to speak at all

[@tjalliemicheaux3719]

now if you disagree with someone you are an agent and blocked; while they complain about the system censoring them. LOL

[@RSClassicAngel]

2:44

[@All_you_need_is_love2018]

If you watched this entire video, the people who disagreed walked out. They didn’t bother to stay around and listen. So, it doesn’t look like things have changed a whole lot.

[@kimmiewise1044]

@N Ds I guess those black police officers prove that the KKK is a diverse community full of opportunity and you should let them get on with it as along as there’s dIvErSiTy~~/This is a joke.

[@disprogreavette8545]

@N Ds You actually believe humans have rights? Human rights are a fairy tale, next tell me about the tooth fairy.

[@TheSonicDeviant]

I just Googled Jill Hultin, it looks like she’s still alive and an academic. She looks elderly now, yet this doesn’t look or seem that long ago. Time goes so quick, our experience as a human on Earth is so short.

[@entertainedsheep7668]

Only if your very greedy and filled with ego is the time short

[@TheSonicDeviant]

@@entertainedsheep7668 - You are wrong, you’re getting confused with time and having a meaningful life. Even if you’re a Hindu or Buddhist monk living in a cave your whole life time is very short. Given that the average human life is only 79 years old, in the geological or cosmic sense of time our experience here is like the blink of an eye, even shorter. Even if your belief system is such that linear time is a human made construct and space time is elastic and cyclical, and that reincarnation is real, it doesn’t change the fact that this existence that you live in here and now on this plane of reality is extremely short. It may feel long to some, especially for a depressed nihilist or misanthrope who experiences no joy in life, but it still doesn’t change the fact that in the grand scheme of things a human lifetime is very short. In the same way that a white man might identify as a black woman, but it doesn’t change the fact that he’s not.

[@entertainedsheep7668]

@@TheSonicDeviant human lifespan is not long nor is it short. Because saying that is based on perspective. There will always be things with a longer lifespan and with a shorter one aswell and both are equal. So you saying that life is short is half true.

[@TheSonicDeviant]

@@entertainedsheep7668 - How long or short a lifetime feels is relative to the individual, but in the dispassionate harsh world of cold facts a human lifetime is very short.

[@entertainedsheep7668]

@@TheSonicDeviant i think you only read half. i also said it was equally short as it is long

[@bigblue6065]

Nobody: Students in the 60s: *puffs cigarettes* "Let's get down to facts here!"

[@RR-xz6bv]

Cigarettes are bad for blacks, AND whites! Students: *WHAT*

[@gxlorp]

They looked so much older compared to today. I am 30 and look like I'm in my 20s. I'll probably look 25 when I'm 40 and am happy about that. I am curious to see how the youngest generation will look when they are octogenarians. Not only do I not smoke. I eat healthy, take vitamins, exercise, and meditate 7 hours each week.

[@Beanmachine91]

right on! fight the machine!

[@realblackmilky]

I HATE THESE GENERIC COMMENTS!!!!!!!! Nobody: likes you

[@Coolgamer322]

@@gxlorp they look older due to a combination of factors; we associate the clothing they wear with older people for one, as older people today have simply continued to wear the clothing worn in this video. Additionally there are some environmental/biological deviations which @I made an account just for this touched up on. For one, hormonal changes are in large a factor due to large amounts of plastic leeching in to the human body that mimick oestrogen. Additionally, foods were simply more nutrient rich back then, the soil in which we grow crops on these days is not as nutrient dense as it was back then since it needs to accomodate for more people and has therefore been depleted; having direct effects on our physical development.

[@russellzhavorsa9164]

23 year old watching from africa very interesting and what shocks me is how the modern debates are still so similar in terms of the issuers over 40 years later

[@Indusxstan]

So why do Africans still migrate to America?

[@khalilfreeman9629]

@@Indusxstan everybody migrates to america from all around the world not just from africa, and why u asking him that question what it has to do with him? imigration is a personal choice

[@crazyfishmonster459]

No, modern 'debates' are a lot less civil, and don't really ever get to the meat of the issues they propose to tackle. People turn up, canvas a few talking points, get tired of trying to convince the other person, and the civility breaks down.

[@jojosaylor8996]

Not 40 its been 60 years later

[@reggiehendrix1265]

@@Indusxstan cause white people invaded their land also...and they have more rights here than they do in their own land...

[@timothya2742]

Was 5 yrs old when this conversation took place. Almost 60 now and the conversation continues

[@puppylove7260]

wow. that's actually profound to think about. I'm 22 as I write this, and I really really hope that when I'm almost 60 that racial problems will not be rampant still

[@hoodiegamer9256]

youre the same age as my dad. He's from 63 as well. Im 21 myself

[@colossusforbin5484]

I was one year old. 54 now. I think the conversation will continue for another 54 years plus.

[@JoelEverettComposer]

Conversation? No - there is no conversation going on; one sided monologues at best.

[@Uarehere]

Same old bitchfest. No one's ever satisfied.

[@dennisinkwa5233]

"It seems to me..." was the go to phrase.

[@slightly_sloped]

now it's "I feel like..."

[@purpleprose1315]

Yes because back then people spoke for themselves and not for a "community".

[@hlpml]

Yes and now its is... "let me be clear" followed by vague statements

[@slightly_sloped]

@@purpleprose1315 "for me as a x person"...

[@ussarng4649]

If a person finds themself talking about a subject they weren't perpare to talk about the only thing a person can fall back on is "it seems to me", "in my opinion", "from my experience". None if these statements come from a bad place in light of the fact that a persons experience is not devoid of value. How many students do you think in 1968 could have pulled out their phone to find out that the first black Harvard graduate was: •Richard Theodore Greener (January 30, 1844 - May 2, 1922) was the first African American graduate of Harvard College and went on to become the dean of the Howard University School of Law. Or that the first black University was established in: •Howard University, historically Black university founded in 1867 in Washington, D.C., and named for General Oliver Otis Howard, head of the post-Civil War Freedmen's Bureau, who influenced Congress to appropriate funds for the school. •Or the first post highschool for blacks was established in: The Institute for Colored Youth, the first higher education institution for blacks, was founded in Cheyney, Pennsylvania, in 1837. It was followed by two other black institutions--Lincoln University, in Pennsylvania (1854), and Wilberforce University, in Ohio (1856). No doubt there was oppression of non white people in many parts of the US but there was also ways out of the oppressive situation.

[@ashleighsalinas8526]

It's fascinating, seeing older generations in their prime and talking about some of the very issues we still talk about and grapple with today. We do things differently but with the same general goal.

[@MyDiabolicoTwin]

Imagine being a non-smoker on that room

[@robertdecker146]

Torture basically. Constantly swallowing stinky tobacco smoke 🚬 😤 mixed with bad smoker's breath and toxic germs of the smoker spreading toxicicity and grossness all throughout.

[@traceywu9123]

Dunt dunt dada!!!!! COVID MASK To da rescuuuuuuuu 🦠🍩🦠

[@johncz7935]

Non-smokers wasn't a thing be4 the 80s

[@alisa8869]

🤮

[@jheezwiiz9733]

@@robertdecker146 move over then, stupid

[@thearts5163]

This is crazy clear footage for 1968

[@kineticpictures446]

Watch some movies from the 30s some of them look better than movies do now a days

[@danieldaniels7571]

Digital transfer from film.

[@MC-yy2bx]

It's video tape. You can see it quivering below the eye of the chick in the gray jacket. at about 8:15

[@gpk1982]

I was thinking the same thing!

[@judywalter9412]

1968 was just 53 years ago

[@seymourmaupin6395]

Graduating from Berkley in 64 and buying a home near by. I've lived a life of regret and seen the failings of a public school system. I remember thinking we were so cutting edge, we had thoughts and ideas nobody has ever had. Now, 60 years later, nothing has changed and college kids think the same thing. Are we in a circle? We never accomplished anything. I did live at a comune though. Free love was never free just ask my doctor.

[@Angela-fv5pb]

Why have you lived a life of regret?

[@missj6923]

Give YAH your life, He loves you

[@banemaler]

Jesus is the way friend. Everything eles is a serpent eating his own tail. This is the age old problem from n age old enemy.

[@JCpwnge]

@@Angela-fv5pb because hes a hippie boomer that thought marxism would work. He lived a life of degeneracy and now realizes he has no purpose.

[@nothisispatrick1753]

@@JCpwnge ...

[@yung_bonsai]

the last dude's point was the most truthful and important point made throughout this whole video. we focus on the people who are the most sympathetic and willing to change , and the most progressive, while ignoring the real evil bastards that should have our full undivided attention. We are constantly biting the hand that feeds us, or is trying to feed us, while ignoring the people who would rather see us starve.

[@davidwhite4874]

Divide and conquer.

[@serpentines6356]

That just makes me think of the wretched "Great Reset" feudalist/ totalitarians, and so called, "environmentalists" that Biden is catering too. NOTHING is good in these matters. Just a new kind of slavery, and nothing about liberty..

[@familyvybez3040]

as a young black father on my channel I have been teaching my son to build computers from age 5 .. he knows all the components on his own.. I want a better life for him so I'm being the change I want to see. Sad that stuff like what I'm doing is not pushed in the media Ayy didn't think I would receive so much support and love..but ayy it means allot thanks for all your kind words and encouraging messages

[@dalem8878]

This. At the end of the day you should rely on yourself to take care of you and yours. No one is going to do it for you and you shouldn't expect others to care. We need to start taking responsibility for ourselves and everything else will fall in place. Good on you for being a responsible father.

[@deborahwhitney9427]

You are a fabulous role model for your son. I'm sure your son will do well in life.

[@familyvybez3040]

@@dalem8878 thanks so much for encouragement.... yeah I realized this from when I was 18/19 how important self responsibility is..could have took many other paths in life. But I chose to be responsible and try do something productive with my life

[@familyvybez3040]

@@deborahwhitney9427 Thanks so much, appricated God bless you

[@dalem8878]

@@familyvybez3040 that's an amazing attitude. Hope favor shines on you and your family!

[@X2LR8]

I like this style of actual discourse better than the Screeching Twitter Mob of today.

[@kgs6032]

It was such a great debate...the Black students had to walk out. There is no screeching on Twitter, maybe you're just upset POC have a voice there?? Maybe you like this style of discourse, because it was easier for White people to ignore Black people?? Hmmm...

[@starsandspit]

​@@kgs6032 Twitter is a dumpster fire of ignorance regardless of colour, as evidenced by your comment. But hey, nice try making it about self-victimization whilst attacking white people, of course, as usual...in just a few short lines you managed to lie, victimize, attack and be a hypocrite all at once. That kind of mentality is exactly why the modern day social-political climate in America is in the toilet and we're all the lesser for it.

[@armelburgess8651]

@@kgs6032 They walked out of their own accord. Again, twitter is an echo chamber for uneducated leftists to reverberate ignorance to each other.

[@NoOne-qn2hv]

@jbl I think the comments that keep comparing a college debate team to twitter arguments and viral outrage videos aren't very bright themselves.

[@carbonfibercarpet4655]

Yup, its crazy how you see a lot of Conservatives cancelling any debate that goes against what they find on facebook

[@bernardcurrie1780]

Back when everyone smoked, whether they liked it or not.

[@xraceboyex]

Oh, once you start, you have no choice but to like it. Addiction is a totally balanced game with no exploits

[@SFVYachtClub]

Pros: -makes listening to the other side tolerable -everyone is too out of breath to fight or start an annoying chant Cons: -everyone looks 15 years older

[@meteorstorm415]

@@SFVYachtClub So in order to reach peak acceptance of views and legitimate debate and communication. Little Timmy at 5 years old should accordingly look 60 and by 19 look 200.

[@SFVYachtClub]

@@meteorstorm415 Yes. You want me to get him some menthols or reds?

[@victheone926]

I really miss those times, when anyone could smoke everywhere. Not healthy, but good af.

[@arizonarangershat3831]

David Hoffman’s channel is the most informative and educational KZbin channel on the platform. I love his videos.

[@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker]

Thank you Maddie for your comment. If your resources allow, I would sure appreciate your using the THANKS button under any of my videos including the one you have commented on. It is something new that KZbin is beta testing and would mean a great deal for my continuing efforts. David Hoffman filmmaker

[@JuniorJr...]

00:49 Mr. Rossman, 68, died from the effects of leukemia in 2008. He was 28 when this fabulous documentary was filmed.

[@tanyafulyfy]

he was also a great light weight class boxer

[@erik-sr9bj]

:( he was the mvp in this one

[@kidofflint8812]

@MrSteezyR he seems like a nice guy I agree with his talking points and the black students talking points both sides are correct but both are wrong at the same Time

[@deevahlyshus]

What the elder black gentleman said really struck a chord... to say things are better than they were doesn’t equate to them being good.

[@OFarrillColon]

Naturally yet they have failed to recognize that things are better means things are changing. Change takes time for almost everyone. Them leaving just shows they were not concerned with the time it takes for thigns to change, cause, yeah, those privileged in power won't give it away so damn easily, so....I just leave? great response, brother.

[@CDABXXX]

@@skip031890 and people are tired of you and your ignorant mindset as well

[@Victor-ly1cj]

@@skip031890 ??

[@grammaticalchainsaw7318]

@@skip031890 your on coke, aren’t you?

[@grammaticalchainsaw7318]

@@OFarrillColon the ignorance

[@Dingdongdoodle3000]

Very emotional to watch. The frustration in that mans face is heartbreaking. Thank you so much David for the amazing footage you put out!

[@boosterbrosllc4681]

I watched the whole thing and I have no clue what they are arguing about but I like their passion

[@Notpureftw]

Sounds like this is the first time the black people in the group were invited to come and thought theyd be talking about their personal issues but instead the whites wanted to talk about whats going on in vietnam instead and the black people took offense when they’re facing their own hardships and the whites tried explaining they’re on their side while also explaining they don’t know what to do while some whites also took reoffence.. ect

[@b_mo537]

notpureftw summed it up not to mention the guy at the end kinda summed up what happened in all

[@andrewfreeman88]

@@Notpureftw Because the only way a society truly grows and progresses in from the inside outward, not by blaming others which has been the overwhelming theme for the past 15 and especially the last 5 years.

[@roastbeefy0weefy]

I think you're not alone. There's a reason all the comments are about "how civil the discussion is" and not about the subject matter. I couldn't tell you either lol, aside from that the black students think discourse about Vietnam is a political diversion from their issues

[@sooperd00p]

You do? Why? I don't have any idea what they are talking about either. BTW, neither do these students. They are all as useful as a sick baby to the rest of society. Nothing in their heads but fear, confusion, youth, and worst of all no direction. Listening to yourself philosophize is not a job and its certainly not an education. But yea....passion, I guess.

[@K-Effect]

When looking and acting like an adult was important at any age

[@SCRUBN1F1CENT]

@Vintage Farmer that depends on the individuals and culture. We definitely cant speak in absolutes.

[@K-Effect]

DEEP SEA EMPEROR_ ZILLA except for at Toys "R" Us

[@3nthamornin]

@@K-Effect 😂😂😂😂😂😂 your response ab toys r us just killed me

[@Yodumeee]

You just did

[@l1verpool1000]

Agreed that is exactly the problem today too many adult that act like kids

[@GermanShepherdDaphne]

I think we all need to be smoking cigarettes while debating. It calms people down

[@soniasonia2518]

I'm allergic to smoke. Watching this made me want to scratch like covered with ants.

[@nathanarievlis3985]

Daphne ish a gud lookin puppyyyy!

[@GermanShepherdDaphne]

@@nathanarievlis3985 Thank you 💕

[@GermanShepherdDaphne]

@@soniasonia2518 I am totally allergic to cigarette smoke, but smoke anyways. I think if I didn't smoke I would probably be a wreck 😂

[@anilavarghese5548]

@@GermanShepherdDaphne I came to the comment section just for this ! Now I can return feeling accomplished!

[@jonathankeith524]

You can’t tell me that we as a society, (as a whole), have not lost the essential skill of active listening and responding to what has been said in a civil and intellectual manner.

[@germanrud9904]

cellphones man

[@Graylegs]

It's scary

[@ferdtheterd3897]

Not not as a whole, it's only about 95% of people

[@danielpotts1172]

Don't even need to go as far back as 1968 lol. This type of meeting has been lost and forgotten in the last 10-15 years, not the last 40. I had conversations such as these when I was in College and Uni only 11 or 12 years ago...Now all I see are people holding banners, running into halls and screaming slogans and not willing to debate or discuss anything. A conversation like this...I would honestly LOVE to sit down, with all the community members from all backgrounds and beliefs and talk about crap that is going on in our countries and our lives in order to extend the understanding to everyone involved.

[@drsgme69]

Zionists have ruined campuses

[@BlackFlagHeathen]

It’s genuinely depressing how we can’t have a discussion like this these days, and yet we’re still having literally this exact same discussion.

[@bryanlongshore6198]

Things have changed dramatically since back then....most of you weren't even alive in 68.....people...especially the Democrats just want to keep the 60s going.....living in the past is not beneficial to America...

[@Dollakas]

Pure Facts 💪🏾🔥👍🏾

[@troupe5195]

Great point? So was everyone not actively listening?

[@sayba6766]

fr

[@audhumbla6927]

agreed Revna :)

[@samlee6152]

Usually we see history just through the lens of the major speeches, the major events, the major figures, etc. It's fascinating to see just how normal people thought about, talked about, and debated the social issues of their time.

[@joewesterland5697]

It really let's you understand how every point in human history was populated by people just like us. Its fascinating to think of the context in which these people lived. WWII was only as long ago for them as 9/11 is to us.

[@Hollowsmith]

College students today talk like 12 year olds compared to college students 50 years ago.

[@Cambodia69]

So...um...like...you know...uh...things 'n' stuff...

[@kafenwar]

Hell, college students of my generation (1980s) were a lot more mature than the spoiled brats of today. However, we were a lot more apathetic and fashion conscious than today's brats; nothing even close to a BLM movement was even conceivable in 1989, just a lot of leather Africa medallions and rhetoric.

[@audreyf9092]

Yes because all university students of that time reflected the same behavior as this one university in Illinois 😂

[@joeburly]

Which college students are you referring to, Knower of Things?

[@Hollowsmith]

@@joeburly Well like, seriously like, literally almost all of them like, some of them are fire i admit that, some of them have swag, but like, most are like ew like, literally like dumb.

[@ODTU06]

I feel like none of them are responding to each other, they are just talking for themselves regardless of what the previous person had said. It is not a debate or a conversation, just a series of speeches.

[@danielweeks4886]

People celebrate it because they’re “polite” as if it isn’t just as bad as debates today.

[@daniellemeyer8568]

@born2xlr8 yep So they are polite and respectful? So what? It was part of the culture back then (respect teachers, don't talk over people, respect elders, don't interrupt, etc.). This was enforced at home (with a father in the household) and at school. Ultimately, the "discussion" has no continuity, no central agreed upon purpose, and ultimately no result. It accomplishes nothing. Just each person giving a quick point about a loosely connected theme. Definitely better than a lot of the discussions today which go straight to interrupting, name calling, straw man arguments, and self-victimization.

[@pablito5927]

Yeah people are thinking that this is so much different from today lol, it's only in the way they carry themselves, but up in those brains, the exact same thing is going on, just a whole lot of cognitive dissonance because they don't feel heard. :)

[@herbs4135]

I agree it isn't perfect, but people were clearly listening intently, even if not coming to a conclusion or compromise. Check out 6:02, everyone laughs immediately at a joke, showing complete focused listening and understanding of all that's being said, even if they don't agree.

[@pablito5927]

@@herbs4135 I don't think the problem lies in listening, but rather in understanding the perspectives of the people talking and there goes a lot of effort into doing that, most people have a lot of cognitive biases which bend the message of what people are actually saying, it's not that they're not listening they simply don't understand because they are grounded in their own views and experience.

[@williamgunderson7365]

Thanks for posting this David. You are contributing to the task of keeping history alive.

[@raytotherose10101]

one of the best things thats happened since 2020 was finding David Hoffman's channel, i love raw history

[@holyarmageddon19]

It's like watching a movie and already knowing the ending.

[@kensmechanicalaffair]

Pretty much.

[@LuisAngel-mu4zv]

Sometimes its about exploring the journey and not so much about wondering what the ending is about

[@user-yg6px8bd2z]

Look about 40 years later and still in the same place in America, how pathetic this country just cannot get it together

[@steveirwin_8276]

"When the university plays the role of picking and choosing what side it supports in society then we get into danger" very wise and foreseeing words.

[@billjones642]

affirmative action

[@justinmoore5096]

What is a University if not it's students? In the end, this quote falls flat, because what you're advocating for is inaction. The same inaction that has and will continue to destroy lives.

[@The_Word_Is_The_Way]

@@justinmoore5096 A valid counter.

[@seane4955]

@@justinmoore5096 The issue is, people are still very young and stupid when they enter university, so if it does take a side, it can very well be the wrong side without most students knowing so, and in this particular institution taking up this role, they become particularly effective propagandists as they masque as an intellectual authority. The university needs to lay the foundation for critical thinking, if it merges that into emotional irrational politics, like we see today, we will continue to have the institution churn out brainwashed morons who are neither intelligent with capable critical thinking skills nor on the right side of history, just useful political pawns of politicians who use morality and ideas of oppression as their rhetoric People of my generation can not understand a correct idea if it's against what they are emotionally invested in if there lives depended on it. Our education system and media has ruined countless people, turning them into the evil which they wanted to work against(And often, something much worse)

[@seane4955]

@@The_Word_Is_The_Way I disagree

[@Jabulaya]

"We haven't been attacking the people who are really oppressing us, we've been here attacking each other."

[@robertyoul]

Shakespear?

[@joerivandeweyer3056]

@@robertyoul Why would one think a rational truthful line dates back to medieval times? Makes ya think about how postmodern life does not equal quality. Not by a long shot.

[@robertyoul]

@@joerivandeweyer3056 so not Shakespeare then?

[@scottywayne3601]

i agree

[@Mike1Lawless]

Divide et impera!

[@forwhomthebelltolls]

There's more smoking going on than a whole season of Mad Men.

[@Jeremiah7-ox2nj]

Somebody should have hung up a ham. 😆

[@JulsLittleBeirutAnarchy]

@RJ Sea The 60's had pot too...Relax. I smoke pot. It's not a big deal. We legalized Marijuana here.

[@arizonarangershat3831]

I love how everyone’s just casually smoking.

[@nillyk5671]

I hate it. Lol.

[@DOOMZEDAY]

@@nillyk5671 I'm holding my breath for them when the smoke gets in their faces 😂

[@josh18230]

Back when you were allowed to be masculine and free.

[@DOOMZEDAY]

@@josh18230 wtf is masculine about losing testosterone to chemicals. Ur feminizing urself with those smoke sticks. Be a man, be sober. Beer and whiskey have phytoestrogens too js

[@shubhod9569]

@@DOOMZEDAY lol he's a sucker for marketing I guess

[@AsMightyAsBread]

Wow this is huge to someone like me. Born in 97, there's no way I'd ever see this anywhere else really. Its so gratifying seeing opinions from people from a different perspective. With the movements today, its always important to have a civil discussion, or we get nowhere and learn nothing from each other. Thank you for your videos!

[@lognum4155]

in 200 years from now, people will be seeing videos from the 21st century and they will be mind blown...

[@drufusthedufus]

‏‏‎ ‎

[@freshair9133]

@@lognum4155 who said we make it that far? 200 yrs without idiots wanting to nuke each other seems like asking for too much

[@freespeechisdead1565]

Aside from a few interruptions and some real frustrated passion, this was actually a really civil discussion. This would quickly turn into a bar room brawl today in 2021.

[@mr-vb3id]

Black dude liked interrupting.

[@TsDomain]

This tells me that everyone should go back to smoking publically

[@hijodelaisla275]

"actually"

[@freespeechisdead1565]

@@matthewp9156 And kicked over his table too.

[@dannyboy8474]

The only reason it didn't then is because the cops would come crashing down on them and they'd get jail time for it. Nowadays you'd get a slap on the wrist.

[@sallysarch9441]

The only thing that have changed is smoking outdoors instead of indoors

[@Blauqkween]

And that's the sad part that not much has changed.

[@bitbybit3470]

.....that "has" changed...

[@loravipperman3061]

Thank god. I hat tat nasty crap.

[@GreenBlue8840]

@@Americansikkunt Why do you think that?

[@GreenBlue8840]

@@Americansikkunt I disagree that "they're still complaining", like they shouldn't speak on the wrongs committed against them. Your comment gives off the idea that you think they should be silent no matter what happens. I hope that's not why you said that.

[@dawnslight676]

That Professor sounds like a 1930s movie gangster.

[@JokersAce0]

Up until recently Americans talked with more effort in an American style accent. It's the only way I can explain it. I've had older coworkers who sound very different.

[@lawsonj39]

It's weird how he seems to be trying to hold his head in place.

[@leannezezeski-sass2773]

Lmao I was thinking the same thing 🤣 it actually really threw me off at first, like all of a sudden I was watching a completely different thing

[@AdrianPeterson28VKNG]

"Dig it man..." We really need to bring that back

[@CaptApril123]

right on, right on...dig it man

[@AQ1579]

Lol !

[@r.i.pyoutube6881]

We really don’t

[@jdlc903]

No its cringe

[@jamesbennett5587]

@@jdlc903 not my cringe then the slang people use today

[@halfhawkhalfman]

Every person in that room was in love with the sound of their own voice.

[@AcTivZeRo]

What I was thinkin

[@sarashepard7504]

All staged.

[@johnsala1619]

The ego is a powerful thing

[@IzThatit]

What is debate?

[@kingnate9534]

@@johnsala1619 Do you understand why the black student happened to be very upset back the ? Racism was way worse then

[@FailFries]

If any of these former students see this, it would be interesting for someone to organize and document a follow up conversation. How have these people's views/attitudes changed (or not changed)over the years? Have they become more understanding of each other's concerns or have they become more polarized? If they feel no ground has been made in the past 50+ years, what do they think the solution is? I understand that, sadly, many of them may not be with us anymore, but it would be so interesting to hear that conversation.

[@asterlawaster]

Same America, same framework, Just different players.

[@slimtee2]

Same players; they are just older now and are politicians in a two party system... it's all fixed and embedded in our democracy.

[@r.c.l2569]

Nothing changes but the names. The powers that be want it that way.

[@esther4482]

@@slimtee2 👏🏾

[@tropingreenhorn]

yup, fat cats and politicians been running everything since day 1, and all the little people complaining and arguing and just getting by lol. Build power for yourself, no one will give it to you

[@kineticpictures446]

🎻

[@AlexADalton]

These students seem so mature. We are definitely devolving lol.

[@lasmejoradas]

We gotta stop vaping and start smoking again. 🚬

[@cottonhairedaesthetic2005]

We’re tired of talking about the same things. The

[@Adrian-xu3xi]

@@lasmejoradas 😂😂😂

[@ybuburxyutcertyffyyneyb2680]

Its helicopter parents and new technology making fat man babies

[@Udontkno7]

I don’t know how many college debates you’ve been to, but the conversation here is all circular as any other debate. all the “young people” and “youth” this and no one gets to a conclusion. just because they’re quiet about it doesn’t mean they understand, if that was the case, we wouldn’t be here now.

[@BellaFirenze]

Michael Rossman, a key planner of UC Berkeley's historic Free Speech Movement in 1964 -1969, died of leukemia at the age of 68 in 2008. Uncompromising civil rights activist John Lee Johnson, 64, died from complications of a massive tumor in his abdomen in 2006.

[@MemesnShet]

R.I.P. to both

[@bobdonovan3465]

THEY WERE BOTH GOOD MEN. WE COULD USE MORE OF BOTH OF THEM TODAY

[@dm_guru2408]

It's so eye-opening hearing such loud and incredible voices speaking so bravely so far back about the things that are back into a loud conscious moment of culture in America. Dues were being paid and folks have been struggling to talk about this true struggle for such a long time.

[@ayokiff1073]

They don’t want to talk about the bigger picture but yet life in America is still the same lol

[@RinneganLearns]

Black people are as disenfranchised as they were back then?

[@HaaaTayo]

This comment is completely ludicrous.

[@ayokiff1073]

@@HaaaTayo what’s ludicrous is you saying that but yet you have playlists of hip hop and reggae on your page lol. Two genres and the music you have in it that talks about these very things in its own way so idk how you can’t understand the relevance of then to now. That’s the problem with y’all. You like our music and admire our culture, but not the people who created it. Goodbye lol

[@HaaaTayo]

@@ayokiff1073 I love reggae and hip hop, and I know what they speak about. Yet i can never fully know because I have not lived it like they have. But to say America is the same now racially, as it was in 1968? I don't know what to respond to that, other than saying that it is ludicrous.

[@ayokiff1073]

@@HaaaTayo YOU interpreted that’s what my statement meant. I never even said specifically the bigger picture. But you’re right you don’t know what life in America is like and so again it’s ludicrous of you to make such a comment with lack of depth in the topic but yet you love our music.

[@milascave2]

For those who don't know, the universities had invested in Dow chemichals. Dow chimachals made napalm. Napaulm was used to burn down the jungles of Vietnam. It also fell on oit's children. There haed been a famouse picture of a naked Vietnamese girls screaming, burning alive. That is why Dow Chemichals is mentioned so much.

[@SkragorSkumdreg]

@Angoche Island ...and tend to look incredibly stupid & weak when they do.

[@vick8291]

Temple of Ridicule because they still suffer till this day. History is supposed to be remembered not forgotten

[@marcusantonius5308]

@Temple of Ridicule couldnt have said it better myself well done sir!

[@literalnewsheadlines9149]

She wasn’t burning alive. Stop embellishing. She had been burned

[@NH3rdVariety]

16:12 "That's one way of handling that problem, I don't know if I agree with it, but I wouldn't put it down because I don't know a better one." Wow, I really like that response. Astounding that a response like that would be scorned when talking about problems today.

[@MrFirstdance2000]

"Do you want to hear me?" That should be the cornerstone question for any decade/generation!

[@xanperna]

“Dig it , man !!” I love the way they spoke .. makes me smile :)

[@bingobunny7862]

Me too, I wish itd come back lol.

[@xanperna]

@dylan murphy big facts

[@erhan1255]

@dylan murphy why

[@erhan1255]

@dylan murphy giving everybody cancer just for your own pleasure, k. İ smoke too but i don't see any reason why it should be allowed inside.

[@VonneDutch]

Moral of the story; cigarettes keep the humans civilized.

[@GenerationalDisappointment]

@Kay Pee Jesus smoked Camels

[@NirtieDigger]

@TheLightSide Moses was on that burning bush bud

[@FGP_Pro]

Nicotine increases focus and concentration.

[@JT-pp4vk]

Hahahaha this comment gave me so life.

[@Wtfsince1982]

Lolll, love this comment. I quit awhile ago and now I reaaalllyy want one 😑

[@stephanewantou218]

When smoking in the middle of the debate was normal and boring nobody.

[@sakurakou2009]

will smoking was adversed as cool and normalized in media back then until they discover it cause cancer

[@lastdays3148]

@@sakurakou2009 ,I'm a none smoker. All that smoking would have gave me a migraine headache.

[@eyemmeohigho]

@Tomicaa so does eating js

[@melodramatic7904]

@@eyemmeohigho eating junk, yes. Eating in general, nom

[@jacob8949]

@@eyemmeohigho the point being...?

[@ChrisHensley2]

This what brought change, talking and offending other people. You will offend someone what thinks they are right, it doesn't make them evil. You challenge them, you make them rethink, it's uncomfortable but its the only thing that brings reasonable change.

[@Tootbook]

This comment needs more likes

[@JJmetaphysics]

I’m glad I get to watch years of knowledge, struggle, debate. Thank god for technology so we may learn from the past and make a better future.

[@tylerguenette4039]

And then we have news and media to teach us to focus on fear and separation instead of what we could learn to make things better

[@JJmetaphysics]

@@tylerguenette4039 that’s why a wise man thinks for himself instead of letting others think for him!

[@tylerguenette4039]

@@JJmetaphysics Totally agree

[@PajamaJazama]

I wish. The last thing most people do with technology is learn, that's doubly true when it comes to history & learning from the past.

[@germanrud9904]

"the way the war presses on us.. It presses on you too, DIG IT" The way he said dig it was pure 60's swagger lmao

[@jonmacdonald5345]

Sounded like Greg Brady!

[@pfzht]

The war didn't press on any of them because none of them actually fought it.

[@ohh1065]

@@pfzht if they had family members that did it definitely did

[@pfzht]

@@ohh1065 Not anywhere near as impactful as it was on the soldiers themselves and pulling our troops out for political rather than strategic reasons will always be a foolish if not treasonous move.

[@Deadbeatcow]

@@pfzht what strategic benefit does fighting a losing war against farmers, in a country on the opposite side of the world, have for the USA? it put its hand in the cookie jar and tried to cut off its own fingers once it got caught red-handed

[@cactuscat7158]

It seems to me this is mostly just a bunch of incoherent and vague statements. Nobody seems to be listening to anyone else and nobody is making clear arguments for real structural change. Just because they aren't' yelling over one another doesn't make this a good debate. Very interesting watch though.

[@cactuscat7158]

I will admit to not having knowledge of the full context surrounding this debate. Ie ongoing internal university politics etc.

[@rephaelreyes8552]

Yeah at beginning I was like “these are well spoken individuals” but I couldn’t understand a thing they’re saying. One person would say one thing and another person would reply with something vaguely related to the topic.

[@wawadu2117]

The only contention I could pick from the debate is how the debate failing is in itself proof that the university is getting nowhere

[@rephaelreyes8552]

@@uok6216 I took a listen at it again at 2x speed and it seems like the black students are calling out the hypocrisy of white students for prioritizing the abolishment of war in Vietnam (can immediately affect white people) over a domestic racial discrimination that has been here for more than a century. I just wish they wont be so verbose when simple words can do the trick.

[@Udontkno7]

it’s basically: what can YOU do to help MY PEOPLE get our rights? Women’s issues on campus, general student union issues on campus, black student issues on campus, etc- how it relates to the greater issues in America. This college is a microcosm of America, to them. And the Professors going: Well, do students actually know what they want? The reason why it can get vague as hell is because it’s EXTREMELY broad.

[@jawar5673]

They're essentially arguing about the same thing we're arguing about today. Fuck.

[@eduardomaldonado1647]

Back then college students did not go into college directly after high school. there were no scholarships back in those days or financing. Thus it was common college age was starting 24 and up.

[@VGMDK1999]

False

[@HizJohnnyShinning]

@@VGMDK1999 proof?

[@kerosj9975]

I like those days, people earned for themselves instead of relying on being taken care of so it breeded independent minds that was based on common sense first rather than pure rationality. Good times good times.

[@kerosj9975]

I like those days, people earned for themselves instead of relying on being taken care of so it breeded independent minds that was based on common sense first rather than pure rationality. Good times good times.

[@SoCalChunkybutt]

@@kerosj9975 UofI tution 1968 = 1400~ min wage = 1.60 = 875 hours of work = 1 year of school .... UofI tuition 2020 30,302min wage = 9.25 = 3275 hours = 1 year of school

[@looopaa9783]

i want to participate in a discussion like this, an open group setting

[@dunet4131]

I am more then willing.

[@nildaluzrodriguez]

Bring your bum...

[@bubblesbubbling9110]

Me too

[@youllhavetowait]

Head over to FB or Twitter🤷🏾‍♂️

[@PylotGuy]

People are willing to have these debates but they won’t because this PC culture will have you fired or slandered on the internet

[@popsiclesandhoney3702]

The whole point is they were worried about napalm over in Vietnam and they couldn't even get their act together in the states! Couldn't even treat American citizens properly but needed to have this debate regarding the Vietnam War. It was hypocritical!

[@nonexistenceisbliss9528]

FACTS. 💯

[@pinkrebel8412]

Its because of the mental block of white superiority and an unwillingness to confront the true horrors of the history here. They could not see the hypocrisy because to see it would be to align their own image in the mirror with the horror of the ideologically manifested image of the U.S. as the unregulated evil of Vietnam. They accepted the country as a whole perpetrating a fraud against the Vietnamese but could not accept the mass of the white population was complicit in the continued abuse of blacks on various levels. How much responsibility one accepts is up to them and in wanting to believe you at heart are good blinds you a bit to the depth of the struggle. Like is not about whether you as an individual are a "good" person. What does that even mean.

[@js_guyman]

Monique, I couldn't disagree with you more. But it would take an entire page to explain why, because it's really just not that simple

[@tamikoanderson3076]

Did you miss the part where "A black" leader told the "whites" to back off and take care of their own people. Well the "whites" did this and now the "black" who have not developed anything in years now want to go to the "whites" and tear them down. INCONCEIVABLE!!!

[@js_guyman]

@Mark Spencer Amerila yeah, what we did in Vietnam is not trivial. It's horrific. Our imperialism is what keeps first worlders so well fed, and with a decent quality of life. And that's precisely why the white middle class back then wasn't looking for change. If you're led to believe that capitalism created that great economy, rather than imperialism, then you'll keep turning a blind eye to the imperialism. And that's the entire game in a nutshell. It's a trick from the western establishment. The racism is built into capitalism. So if you're looking to address racism without addressing imperialism, you'll get nowhere. And that's exactly what's happening today, as black and white Americans ignore what's happening in Syria, Venezuela, Nicaragua, etc. Instead focusing on BLM, which accomplished what exactly? Nobody can give a real answer to that question. But the establishment plasters it all over the media, because it distracts from imperialism, which is their key to holding onto power. Get it? I didn't think so (sigh)

[@robertqueberg4612]

This was a very interesting discussion. Being able to sit and discuss, rather than argue about problems and their solution options is an ability that we need to return to. Another minority in this room that was not talked about, was the non smoker.

[@taylornoel8891]

I'm having an Asthma attack just watching this.....

[@davidlenz9902]

We just weren't such babies back then.

[@GypsyFairy85]

@@davidlenz9902 Yeah, you took your tar and nicotine straight- no chaser!

[@davidlenz9902]

@@GypsyFairy85 Daaaaaaaayum right

[@mesocute2531]

I wonder how many in this room alone died from some form of the big C??

[@tvojslauf]

@@mesocute2531 same as nowadays

[@pinokio3785]

Little did they know millions would watch their debate on the internet 50 years later

[@tacozxtc]

Life is strange that way for sure...

[@finding-my-trueself704]

They are probably all dead now from smoking cigs and second hand smoke lol

[@st4rryblossom]

all that i see that's changed is these conversations aren't even being had anymore.

[@ucanthandledatruth01]

TRUE, contact me if you will start one or know of any I could join

[@argonthesad]

Wow! Imagine that today.

[@brendielahooha]

There are. Bit they are less civilized and more anonymus (forums and video commentaries)

[@argonthesad]

They reach a tiny minority. It would never get near msm in today's climate.

[@st4rryblossom]

@@brendielahooha on the dot. not in the right platforms too. i would like to see these conversations being had and change to be implemented that makes both parties happy feel heard. and to move forward finally. the issue keeps getting ignored and it just gets worse. we treat many things that way. they just don't want us to find peace

[@jrbugz761]

I really enjoy this well-exemplified piece of content bro.😄 It really shows us where we're coming from leading up to the 21st century.

[@darthmaul2742]

I wish University had debates like this. Today students only talk in class when their grade depends on it. Besides that everyone is silent and doesn’t have a discourse like this video has.

[@CameTo]

this is as much the chemical lobotomy of younger generations as it is "educational curriculums" and deliberate sloppy standards imposed from those who know exactly what the results will be

[@mikaelgaiason688]

Universities do have debates like this. All the time. Where did you people get this false reality that you keep complaining about?

[@retheisen]

You can't have a civil discussion outside of a smoke filled room.

[@WayPastCrazy2525]

Students today talk and act the way they do because they are a direct representation of their parent's, and their parents parent's, failures. I will add, I don't condemn parents for their failures; most often, their (parents) hands are forced by the environment around them: Social pressures, technology, politics, etc. We all try our best, but together, as a whole, we have failed and continue to fail.

[@ajossi]

Because the discourse has become "you're racist based on your skin color" or "respect my pronouns."

[@SamuraiKage-iv3ow]

Malcolm X's "the black coffee" speech fits perfectly in this discussion. Adding a little white liberals into a strong black movement is like adding creamer to a strong black coffee that wakes you up to dull it's effect.

[@troybradley2575]

Same as integration 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@MrJuggernautishere]

perfectly put

[@rootin222]

I think the SDS ( whom are leftists not liberals, that did a good job)

[@DanielKodiak]

@Niall Black then he made a pilgrimage to Mecca and he changed his views.

[@arsenebienaime]

@Krispyer King His autobiography says the opposite about him being a socialist...

[@conorm9575]

this is the way to do it right here. 150 people packed in a 20x15 room, everyone smoking cigarette

[@GermanShepherdDaphne]

I agree! 😂

[@Duplicitousthoughtformentity]

Based

[@ThePresentation010]

Yes. Being overwhelmed with carcinogens and pushing for long term lung cancer is the best way to go.

[@actoraa]

I wanted to check where some of the students in the video ended up. Jill Hultin 11:40, self-described radical protester, ended up as a consultant for different corporations, including financial and pharmaceuticals. Good for you Jill!

[@actoraa]

Mike Rossman, who does most of the speaking, worked as a science school teacher. Died at 68 from leukemia.

[@SparrowValentine]

50 years later... and it feels like we went backwards, not forwards.

[@kenbradley6064]

We have

[@raymond2009v]

Still the same haven't changed at all

[@SparrowValentine]

@@raymond2009v I'd say we're actually worse now than before. At least before people had the common decency to hear eachother out (for the most part).

[@shehannanayakkara4162]

Lol are you kidding me? Yes there are still racial problems in the US, but it is a LOT better than the 60s. In the 60s you literally had people supporting segregation in government.

[@christianmarlon7462]

@@SparrowValentine In what way is racial equality worse today than then? It’s significantly FAR BETTER. Please explain what is worse for blacks today as oppose to in the 20th century?

[@benwasilewski]

Fascinating. These young people are so intelligent and well spoken.

[@eswing2153]

And all young kids in university today can do is scream and yell down people in a sort of Brown-shirt “protest” to bully people into their view.

[@kebertxela941]

"well spoken" THAT IS RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@XxRaceRCxX]

​@@kebertxela941 Biden be like

[@viciousspectre523]

I mean they make good points do they not?

[@calippo4202]

@@eswing2153 I do get your point but maybe you shouldn't make such claimes about all students. Some will feel or be missrepresented.

[@sharonj.e.1780]

Why can we have conversations like these in this era and is not taken personal but more educational.

[@cakeisavegatable]

This is an important piece of history thank you for posting

[@bradley3238]

This might be a hugely unpopular opinion but I can understand wholeheartedly why people would walk out of debates back then, just as I can understand and empathize and sympathize with people who walk out of debates today

[@camerondrain8166]

Because the “debate” is the same. These debates are essentially philabusters that make you feel good inside cuz you think you’re helping but really it’s just more stalling

[@mayamughalyan2752]

I don't believe it's hugely unpopular. If it is, then shame on us.

[@jimmybonez8928]

Unfortunately many young people don’t simply walk out. They counter argue, and counter argue until they’ve won the argument.

[@brucekendall9873]

I completely agree with their walking out. It made a very very important statement. Where was this energy before? It seems the whites were capable of being very very passionate and intellectual about trivialities that THEY cared about for whatever reason, in the debate room and on the streets, proof that they could, but they didn't for the black discussion. They were not being rash or anything its very important, some of those students are so naive but the unity there was great in the black crowd. These things that the white students were bringing up were things that blacks were dealing with for a long time, and have a DEEP UNDERSTANDING OF ALREADY. They needed to be listened to if anyone there needed to be listened to it was them.

[@mareksicinski3726]

but it was just empty smoke, just various people (esp student leaders) posturing thinking they are much more important than they really are

[@marcellc6833]

Watching David Hoffmans channel will allow you to see through all of the smoek and mirrors of today. Thank you for your work David

[@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker]

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[@nolansunderland3648]

Way too much nostalgia for this time period in the comments. To argue the 1960s was a peaceful period in racial relations full of mostly civil discussions like this is ahistorical and ridiculous. MLK was killed the same year at this debate, and he was not popular among white people at the time of his death, 2/3 of which has an unfavorable opinion of him according to a gallop poll in 1966. I'm not pointing this out to devalue the video, this is a great video and is a great example of a civil discussion. It's just shocking to me seeing all these comments try to create this false picture of civility in the 60s. Most race related conversations at this time did not look like this.

[@CptSchmidt]

You're missing the point. The point people are making isn't that the world was candy and roses, it's that intellectual discussions were possible and that people of that caliber were entirely willing to sit together-unmoderated and without police-and debate in a calm and reasoned manner were actually possible. They didn't like each other, but they at least listened. I recommend you watch some old episodes of Firing Line with William Buckley Jr to see what I mean because it was a show that had a similar format to this, only with a guided discussion by the host and with fewer speakers. Today these discussions are actually prohibited for fear of "harm" and students and profs criticizing the dominant narrative are expelled or fired. In other words, it was fighting outside but in the universities it remained civil and reasoned-no subject was off limits, whereas today you're likely to be forcibly removed or even physically attacked for deviating even slightly from progressivism.

[@chicagojeff]

100% true. Nostalgia is a like a warm blanket people like to wrap themselves into.. conveniently forgetting the unforgettable.

[@drufusthedufus]

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[@lalagordo]

He’s still not popular with me. MLK was a commie

[@anopirsten7565]

I think the main point that I'm seeing is that even now, after race relations have cooled way down, our basic discussions and not even our formal discussions are as civil as this.

[@C.Church]

A zoomer told me last month that minorities were obviously fine with being discriminated against. "They didn't demand it to stop. So now it's another thing we have to deal with today which is even worse today. "

[@True_Christian]

Today Whites *are* the minority and also the *only* group that is currently the victim of racism. It's been that way for the last 20 years or so.

[@DeadAbeVigoda]

50 years later and people haven't grown up one bit.

[@sarahjones5144]

The Gimme dats are still relevant.

[@Dahlen4Dummies]

I would say we have gone backwards. I do not see people speaking openly about corruption and racism like this anymore.

[@Dahlen4Dummies]

@@sarahjones5144 yea because give me liberty or give me death is such a weak statement... You conservatives are dumber than liberals.

[@Dahlen4Dummies]

@@oku12 yea you are right. But too often those same people will not criticize AOC or Bernie for being failures and con artists.

[@troybradley2575]

Stephen hogan 👀 whites!!!

[@ongjer]

The Black group makes their case of What is the white man doing to help the black community. The real question should be what is the black people doing for the black community. People should not ask what others can do for them, but what they can do for themselves. Constantly putting blame on others and making excuses for their own failures IS the cycle of failure and cycle of poverty.

[@Aldev]

not as easy when youre living in a world created by white people for white people. Check yourself

[@TheSalami]

@@Aldev you’re just making excuses

[@TiredHighProductions]

It could seem that way. But this was in 1968, and a part of these protests had to do with literal segregation at parks. As in black people weren't allowed to certain places just for being black. And this being the end of the civil rights era I would say the black people did plenty for themselves the past almost decade. But the conversation was shifting to what the complacents or moderates could do to help fight for the cause. Of course, none of that really happened in this talk. Mostly it was ramblings. But at least it was mostly people saying what they wanted to get out, and at least somewhat letting the other side speak next.

[@ongjer]

@@Aldev of course it’s not easy, that’s why it requires entire communities working together, dads and moms staying to raise their families together, I’m Asian and I’m doing well as USA gives us freedom that we never had in China. I studied, worked hard, sacrificed to make a good living so my kids would have better opportunities. Any race of people can do the same including African Americans but the first thing to do is put the blame at where it needs to be which is one self for making bad choices.

[@gem832]

@@TheSalami no he’s just telling the truth that you don’t want to hear

[@imtherealtammygonna6216]

I could literally feel their frustration

[@getthegoods420]

am i the only one who noticed the black students didn't invite any black women to the group

@SAYWHAT? look again, there was a black woman in the group

[@getthegoods420]

@sbostic08 ya but she didnt say anything

[@dogsdreamtoo8427]

@@getthegoods420 um so? She wasn't prevented from doing so

[@dogsdreamtoo8427]

@@getthegoods420 What makes you assume they invited ANYONE? Anyone could have joined that group

[@MananaMan]

Damn this shit goes hard I think when people feel like they can act themselves instead of being forced to be the most egalitarian and righteous it’s easier to talk about what you honestly want and go from there

[@tappy-thesketcher4539]

This is incredible - They're actually sitting down and listening to each other

[@HavokBWR]

except for that one point where they did literally the exact opposite of that.

[@tappy-thesketcher4539]

True. Occasional bursts are inevitable when including the grand spectrum of various individuals. For the most part however, opposing opinions we're voiced and given heed, planting the seeds of resolution.

[@rexyz5875]

Yeah its sad that kids today get their info from famous people on tiktok and basically base their political idiologies on trends

[@aryastark3148]

@@rexyz5875 ....not all of us. and far more youth get info from independent sources, while older folks condemn us all by getting their "info" from msm propaganda networks. - thanks for destroying our future btw.

[@rhabdoviridae]

And smoking in public!