Amazon's Lord of the Rings a Giant, Global DISASTER

It's time to consider that Amazon's Lord of the Rings could be a massive billion dollar disaster. Fist off, this story represents everything Hollywood hates right now. How can you make a faithful of anything Tolkien in the current entertainment industry? Amazon keeps planting red flap after red flag and they seem insistent on repeating the mistakes of their fellow repurposes. Hope I'm wrong, but it doesn't look good.
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[@followertheleader]

How long does it take for executives to realize that Twitter doesn't translate to real life?

[@IamBlackToast]

At least another year at this rate.

[@Crimson522]

Oh I sure they know. They are just too scared to act on it for fear of getting cancelled

[@scazz163]

The way this is going maybe a decade or so

[@ItsMcDude]

This isn't about convincing longtime fans and their normie friends that woke adaptations are good. It's about indoctrinating an up-and-coming generation of impressionable minds that won't know anything else but these versions of the stories. They'll turn these kids against their families, as they've already done with so many kids now, and eventually they will outnumber people like us. It's not about money to them. It's about changing the world by subverting the culture. It's about power.

[@scottmcgregor562]

Once again, I look forward to fighting the war against Twitter Earth.

[@TheMagicRobot]

As Tolkien taught us, evil cannot create, only corrupt. EDIT: Perhaps I should have chosen better words for the pedantic, but my sentiment still stands.

[@striderhiryu2]

Excellent.

[@craigmoran893]

Evil certainly can create.

[@miguelmontenegro3520]

@@craigmoran893 But their creation are wicked, poor and unintelligent.

[@merleharris7485]

Right on, sir! The devil has no original ideas. It's why they called the devil "God's ape" in the middle ages. The orcs origins come out of Tolkien's Christian worldview, specifically Catholic in his case. The other great fantasy novel drawing on this logic of good and evil is Dracula, which, though Stoker was Protestant, also drew heavily from Tolkien's Catholicism.

[@truth_tree]

Very good point.

[@99IronDuke]

Tolkien was a Englishman, a devout Christian, a Professor of Anglo-Saxon and a British soldier who fought on the Somme in 1916 during WWI. He wrote LOTR's as English and British myth and high fantasy.

[@SuperLloyd84]

Which is exactly why the woke post-modernist leftie garbage people want to tear it to pieces.

[@culturecanvas777]

Tolkien is anti-racism: - he insisted on using Celtic languages when people at the time were racist on the Irish. - the whole "don't underestimate a hobbit" theme is obviously anti-racism. - and then there's Aragorn's interracial love. - the most "well-bred" race in the lore is the most vile. Attacking Tolkien is not anti-racism but anti-white, which is ironically racist.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

@@culturecanvas777 "Don't underestimate a hobbit" does not fit with antiracism in this case. The hobbits are the common folk of England, in this case, the rural country folk. Simple, but not stupid, peace-loving, farmers, craftsmen, honest, hard-working, earnest, with a love for the land that they inhabit and work, with a courage that is modest and sincere. It's more anti-classist if anything, eager to honor the dignity and courage of the kind of people he grew up around, and fought alongside with in World War One.

[@Gearparadummies]

Amazon is going to flop so hard "Babbling Joe" is going to bankrupt the US trying to bail it out.

[@tjroelsma]

@@culturecanvas777 According to the LGBT-whatever and SJW's all that is null and void because there are no lesbians, trans, gay, people of colour, Asians or combinations thereof mentioned in his stories. So their conclusion is that he was a racist bigot.

[@wolfmidnaoftwilight]

I am Hispanic and my husband is Hispanic and part native American. We love the LOTR movies and never even noticed the races of the characters. I certainly did not feel represented nor did I want to. It's just a great trilogy. It doesnt need to be "diverse". Leave it be!

[@conaldtrump]

Diversity is only a problem to the people who don't want it

[@conaldtrump]

@Bob101 no

[@3rdtimesthecharm376]

@@conaldtrump Diversity is a problem for all parties involved.

[@conaldtrump]

@@3rdtimesthecharm376 YUP, tell that to Sioux, Lakota, Dakota, Cheyenne and Iroquois nations. please shout that my folks in Cali from the Yocha Dehe Wintun Nation. DIVERISITY can be deadly

[@CR-zd7jb]

Hispanic isn’t a specific gen etic group. Most Latin Americans are mixed with Native American or mostly pure native in a few countries

[@S4ns]

"Appeal to giant global audience" = most bland inoffensive dumbed down below average generic swill.

[@donweatherwax9318]

Believe it or not, when I first glanced at your comment, I misread it as "giant _goblin_ audience." (Fortunately, it barely changed the meaning . . .)

[@thehatter9400]

With changes to appeal to china

[@napturaladvice7646]

It’s like they think the rest of the world doesn’t have its own entertainment🤔. How elitist!🙃

[@thehatter9400]

@@napturaladvice7646 while perching about being the opposite, hilarious.

[@Jim-Mc]

It's ironic they think this political trash has appeal, because that has never been shown in the numbers. Unless they're fooling themselves, people respond to a certain type of story. And it ain't intersectional identity politics stories.

[@elcazador3349]

The Lord of the Rings couldn't be filmed today. It is a small miracle that we got the trilogy at all, and it is a larger miracle that the films are so good.

[@idipped2521]

The original trilogy was made before studios cowered to blue haired tiktok feminists complaining about capitalism while striking Starbucks sponsorship deals. Was basically made in the last good days of Hollywood

[@sillypuppy5940]

It's carefully crafted English mythology; by that definition, it cannot be anything other than white.

[@tsuyu032696]

Even the director Peter Jackson is baffled on how he made the trilogy a success.

[@Terragen]

I've always said that the LOTR movie trilogy was the last great thing we would see from Hollywood. The end of an era of great movies. Turns out I was right.

[@no_activity]

After watching the “hobbit” trilogy, I have come to re-evaluate the “LOTR” films, and quite frankly, I no longer think they are even close to being valid adaptations and I don’t think Jackson is capable of understanding the source material.

[@DG-mk7kd]

People want British stories to be BRITISH. You go to Hong Kong for kung fu action, bollywood for gilded dance numbers, holywood for macho big budget blockbusters, and England for Englishness Trying to mix everything together with a big dose of woke will appeal to no one.

[@rosemarie3784]

Waiting on a remake of "The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly." 🤗

[@floydlooney6837]

@@rosemarie3784 from Australia

[@bmabhilash01]

@@rosemarie3784 ssshhhhh..... Do not even think of suggesting that even as a joke. The predator reboot was literally a joke and then they greenlit it. Who knows when these old movies will be ruined.

[@manwithnoname3024]

@@rosemarie3784 they’re not really doing this are they??? Nothing surprises me anymore.

[@Coltsfan]

I totally agree with you. And honestly the cultural background doesn't matter, people from Los Angeles to Beijing will enjoy a work if the goddamn story is good. Nowadays American filmmakers seem to be concerned with everything except making a good film.

[@rareosts5752]

Every time I watch LOTR, I am SO GRATEFUL that it was made when it was. Before the dark times, before the Empire...

[@nuckygulliver9607]

the Cathedral

[@brightfaith8403]

Yes..

[@raymondhugosnyman4646]

*pauses... stares into nothingness*

[@Mert_Yanik]

Before the shadow of the Wokeness stretch over the world

[@albertbresca8904]

before the empire...lol... needed a good laugh... the lotr series is so sad... how can it possibly be made? your words made me smile and laugh.. thanks!!!!

[@nidgeot9968]

Morgoth, the devil of Tolkien’s mythology, cannot create anything of his own but only grotesque mockeries of original creations.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

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[@TheStraightestWhitest]

''Evil does not create. It corrupts.'' - Tolkien

[@benrex7775]

If you don't even need to say anything and everybody knows...

[@mnomadvfx]

Arguable that Morgoth is the devil, considering you could easily identify Sauron in the same way. Unless Sauron is the anti Christ maybe, with Aragorn as the second coming of Christ? Not religious by the way, just arguing religious scholarly semantics - because OCD and pedantry go hand in hand.

[@KillerChickn]

@@mnomadvfx Morgoth is Middle Earth Satan. Sauron would just be one of the higher ranking demons, like Azazel.

[@martinguerra5152]

“I never fully understood it till my friend Professor Tolkien asked me the very simple question, "What class of men would you expect to be most preoccupied with, and hostile to, the idea of escape?" and gave the obvious answer: jailers.” ― C.S. Lewis, On Stories: And Other Essays on Literature

[@HerculesBallsInc]

Reminds me of Hafez: The small man Builds cages for everyone He Knows. While the sage, Who has to duck his head When the moon is low, Keeps dropping keys all night long For the Beautiful Rowdy Prisoners.

[@donweatherwax9318]

@AztecAmerican Professor Digory Kirke! Nicely done, my lad.

[@terrifictomm]

Still a relevant genius.

[@kathleenhensley5951]

So very true.

[@DJKeo]

I'm black and I've been watching the extended LotR every Christmas since they came out. Regular humans love the series as is we don't want these fantasy series corrupted with garbage politics 🙄

[@kylekatarn5964]

Good vs evil is a uniting theme in storytelling, no matter your stripe.

[@onewonkywampa2862]

Exactly

[@onepunchbud1472]

I liked the old Mulan, and yes, there were only asians in it. I liked the old hong kong Jackie Chan movies with chinese people in them. I like the good old "The 7 Samurai" with only japanese guys in it. Etc etc Lotr is heavily based on britisch / european history & middleage setting. So whats the issue with a corresponding cast when the story is good?

[@BartAllen]

*Agreed, but you realise that Tolkien based Rhun on Asia and Harad on Africa, right? And this is the Second-Age of Middle-earth ... So shouldn't be that much of a surprise when you see that certain denizens are from a non-Marachian/Hador background ~* 😂

[@lansken]

@@BartAllen Don't think Mr I'm black @DJ keo knows that.

[@riteousrighthand6144]

I became a massive Jet Li fan in my 20's. I started watching all of his older films. You know what never occurred to me? The lack of white actors, in his Asian films.

[@TOAOM123]

The first lord of the rings trilogy grossed 3 billion dollars How much more of a global audience is that broad wanting?

[@TuubiName]

All of them.

[@theflyingdropbear2009]

basically China.

[@cosmicAthrunZala]

@celestial blue72 it's why stupid people shouldn't have authority over anything.

[@r.blakehole932]

@@theflyingdropbear2009 Yes, seconding your point. And, furthermore, I think it is Chinese investment money that they will be trying to please and my guess is that money IS NOT designed to please Chinese audiences. It is designed to destroy Western culture. In other words, the influence behind that money DOES NOT want good movies or shows. Instead, it is designed to destroy whatever it touches and, they have been very good at it so far.

[@Uthandol]

@@r.blakehole932 BINGO

[@keithb2055]

"If its not broken, dont try and fix it". L.O.T.R. is one of those things.

[@ranekeisenkralle8265]

True. But that is not going to keep them from trying anyway - and breaking it thoroughly in the process.

[@LaffinKing]

Hollywood execs never have faith in the material they're dealing with. They just want more money and disguise it as trying to reach a 'broad' audience. So inevitably they screw it up by trying to change things and then blame someone else for their mistake

[@mnomadvfx]

Christopher Tolkien would have begged to differ I think. The Jackson LOTR film trilogy may be well liked but it does not hold true to Tolkien's perspective and it was already beginning Hollywood participation correction by putting Arwen in place of Glorfindel when taking Frodo to Rivendell past the Nazgul - Hobbit was worse still by adding a completely new character just to increase female participation in that trilogy. For all the bitching this channel is doing about Amazon GoTifying the LOTR series.... well.... jackson kinda already started down that slippery slope - the films are not what Tolkien intended, while the Hobbit trilogy is a complete clusterfuck of the novel and then some.

[@mnomadvfx]

@@LaffinKing "They just want more money and disguise it as trying to reach a 'broad' audience." You are seeing shadows and calling them real people there. They do indeed want more money. The problem is that in order to inform how to do that they use focus groups mainly in the US in mainly affluent regions and infer from that how people with similar ethnic backgrounds across the world will react to the material that they are seeing. They don't do this because they think it works, they do it because truly accurately multinational focus groups across multiple ethnicities, financial backgrounds, age groups and genders is extremely difficult to organize. Therefore it is expensive. So basically for the sake of making more money they are using cheap, highly inaccurate focus groups that simply do not work. This is why Disney Star Wars was falling flat on its face in China - inferring what will please the Chinese audience in total from affluent Asians in mostly the US without properly even discussing it with the Chinese govmt to see what buttons not to push in order to keep it from getting shitcanned in record time.

[@TheZeroDozer]

Oh, I didn't know Bad Robot went full racist. Now I know. And knowing is half the battle.

[@johnboats9075]

Your a real american hero.

[@radiofreealbemuth8540]

Don’t worry. GI Joe is next on the woke-ness chopping block. They’ll cringe-atize it soon enough.

[@DarkMatterX1]

The other half is red and blue lasers.

[@haydengoodall6767]

Which version is cooler, hooded Cobra commander? Or the helmeted, reflective visor Cobra commander?. Answer : the Starscreamed voice Cobra commander. 🧐

[@rra022001]

Wow thats freaking unreal dude. I would watch these two cartoons one after the other back in the day (mid to late 80s). I always wondered about Starscream and the Cobra commander being the same voice actor.

[@pcgq4165]

"What can men do against such reckless hate?" -- erm, well, we'll start by just turning it off!

[@RolfHartmann]

Not a coincidence that this shit only really started after Christopher Tolkien's death.

[@PleaseNThankYou]

They were waiting for that freedom like greedy, petulant heirs of the last King.

[@justchilling704]

@@PleaseNThankYou Why’re you guys overreacting? A random Asian guy says he wants Asians to be in the show and y’all assume Amazon and the TE is gonna fo with it 🤣

[@t1czer]

@@justchilling704 They will go for diversity points.

[@justchilling704]

@@t1czer Yeah diversity points from other white people. The blacks, Asians, etc. that know about and like Lord of The Rings don’t care about race or it being based of Europe. I know from experience.

[@johnneville403]

You took the words out of my mouth, Rolf. He guarded Tolkein's legacy for decades.

[@nightwishfan1991]

Saw a Polygon article title "The Lord of the Rings Showrunners know what they're doing". Clearly word is getting out about the lack of faith in this series and they are already doing damage control. Expect more media hit pieces and jumping in front of bullets for this series in the coming years.

[@yewtewbstew547]

It's hilariously predictable because they do it with everything even remotely woke, no matter how bad it is, because they care more about its effectiveness as propaganda than its quality as a piece of entertainment. Batwoman season 2 has an 88% fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes, if that doesn't tell you everything you need to know lol.

[@DeerOcelot]

That's how Polygon works. They are leftists basically.

[@dageevil]

Arise now, arise, Riders of Wokeden! Dire deeds awake: darkness is our sow. Let WordPress media be bridled, fake news be sounded!

[@cjd2889]

If Polygon says you know what you're doing, it's a good indicator you have no fucking clue and you need to go back to the drawing board.

[@TheRogueJedii]

Reminds me of star wars, captain manvel, lastofus2

[@maxis2k]

Bad Robot: "We will taint everything eventually. Just give it time."

[@TheRoobs74]

It stinks of Abrams taint.

[@westerncivilization]

i have a feeling it's their love of taints that drives them

[@TucanMonkey]

I'm starting to think the name of the production company "bad robot" is spot on its an assembly robot just chruning out constant garbage

[@MrPeachblossom]

bad robot will die when no one buys there crap

[@HydraSpectre1138]

And they are also going to ruin anime with a live action remake of Your Name..

[@ReekieReels]

They hate it because it provides an alternate (and therefore competing) moral worldview to their own. Woke is an absolutist doctrine, so LOTR must be subverted, if it cannot be co-opted, then like these other franchises, it will be destroyed. "There is only one lord of the rings and he does not share power" - Gandalf.

[@jasonshirrillmusic]

TRUE

[@LyleMKarr]

Greed is a DESTROYER!

[@Skybreaker1337]

When they say "huge, global" I think they're speaking of China.

[@traestomonad4784]

ding ding ding

[@PleaseNThankYou]

And we have BINGO!

[@timmyb7734]

No-one in China gives a shit about LOTR. My Chinese gf and step son have never watched the movies nor intend to and guess what, we live in New Zealand.

[@zanir2387]

@@timmyb7734 why not to how that to your stepson? i mean, if he likes it he will be a future protector of tolkien's legacy

[@KdogPrime]

Guaranteed they will throw in at least one or two Asian characters who don't exist in LOTR, and have them play some pivotal role that makes everything the heroes are trying to accomplish possible, and they could not have done it otherwise.

[@andrekristensen8428]

Lord of the Rings HAS no remake.... Lord of The Rings don't need a remake.

[@thanksbob638]

The trilogy was technically a remake though, of the 1978 film. 😁

[@andrekristensen8428]

@@thanksbob638 You mean the cartoon right. It was good... Though their budget ran out and they didn't get the many last chapters of the story. So I don't see the whole trilogy as a remake of that ONE cartoon.

[@thanksbob638]

@@andrekristensen8428 just pulling your leg a bit. 😄 The trilogy is as close to the books as we're gonna get. It's done. Amazon can get stuffed.

[@andrekristensen8428]

@@thanksbob638 Totaly agree. :)

[@fengxiong520]

As long as they stick to lore I say go for it. Alot of people want more lotr and I'm in that group!

[@NeilPower]

I'm so grateful that the Lord of the Ring movies was made 20 years ago and not today.

[@DragonSlayerCommentariesHQ]

Amazon is so desperate to make their money that they're calling a second Age story Lord of the Rings.

[@whopperwithcheese]

This isn’t about money. It’s about social engineering and control. They plan on losing money because they are investing in the herd.

[@definitelynotobama6851]

To be fair, the general public in unfamiliar with anything else Tolkien wrote. That's a branding problem, not a lore problem.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

@@whopperwithcheese glad someone else gets it. None of the woke shit is about money. It's about subversion and ultimately control.

[@whopperwithcheese]

@@GeraltofRivia22 - With mass media, you are not the customer, you are the product. Type in Google Us6506148 B2 this brainwashed patent number it's no longer a theory or conspiracy, it is scientific & technological fact.

[@jedironin380]

Yeah, the One Ring doesn't even exist in the Second Age, until the very end of it, when the Third Age begins.

[@RS-vz5gc]

It seems like these guys are competing against Disney to see who can ruin a franchise the quickest.

[@gizmo8760]

Just when we thought the idiotic Woke Age of Movies was starting to wane, here comes Amazon. Damnit!

[@mirceazaharia2094]

I wish them all the luck in the world. The more consistent, repeated, and larger the failures of woke media, the faster people will turn against them en masse, realise that they're not alone in their dislike, and the faster this woke nightmare will be over. Ruin it all. All it will do is earn our eternal enmity, and bring closer your bankruptcies. The woke are soul-destroying monsters. There's a number of ropes and gibbets with their names on them.

[@jamesdick2580]

honestly, Amazon should just stick with what it knows best: product shipping. though from what i've heard, they've been fucking THAT up as well. the Trilogy was just fine the way it was, and the way it ended. but NOOOO.....always gotta be someone out there to fuck up something that was already truly epic.

[@Killerbee_McTitties]

Don't be so overdramatic. These corporations cannot "ruin" these franchises, they can only fail to represent them. Whatever they do with this will change nothing about the books or first 3 jackson movies.

[@RS-vz5gc]

@@Killerbee_McTitties I like all Jackson movies. Not just the original 3. Watch. Just Write channel entire series on why the Hobbit sucked.

[@greyman1104]

I always assume the worst when it comes to TV.

[@Pondimus_Maximus]

The Grey Man is wise. 🖖😀

[@MicahMicahel]

there are so many great old books

[@iian_]

You can be sure of one thing with the media. They are not telling the truth.

[@jnoviello5010]

"There is good in this world, and it's worth fighting for." -- J. R. R. Tolkien

[@unlimitedrabbit]

A finale watched by 19.3 million viewers isn't a finale *enjoyed* by 19.3 million viewers.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Watched by 19.3 million. 19 million thought it was shit.

[@jasonshirrillmusic]

UM...that's not a whole lot of people there being roughly 7.8,1 billion humans on the planet at least 3 billion of those who consume television of some sort and maybe 1 billion of those have pay entertainment apps.. HMMMM think that 19.3 million is starting to look even smaller and more pathetic.

[@DaenerysGOT18]

That clip of Peter Jackson saying “We didn’t impart our ideas into the movie but stayed true to Tolkien’s story and ideas” was absolutely amazing!! Everyone in Hollywood needs to hear that and live by it!

[@DaveMiller2]

But that's exactly what Jackson did for 75% of the film?

[@haydengoodall6767]

@@DaveMiller2 that is quite an exact percentage number. We could go into the whole rambling discourse of me requesting examples, New themes, plots, inception subverted shadow wokes, 20 years before woke was an idea. To refute your claim. You'll rebuttal a riposte, and I just can't be arseholed. So Wingnut & Weta have obligingly provided a template. You can improve upon. Otherwise don't let your mouth write cheques that your ass can't cash. ( I'm aware that bankcheques are obsolete). Does that mean they'll be exchequers?.

[@DaveMiller2]

@@haydengoodall6767 In the books: 1) Aragorn NEVER wavered from his quest or doubted himself. 2) Gimli was wise, not comic relief. 3) Merry and Pippen likewise were not comic relief, or the idiots that the film made them out to be. 4) The elves were not at Helm's Deep. 5) Elrond was not angry or distasteful of Arwen marrying Aragorn. He only said no less than the the King of Men would be appropriate for his daughter, so if Aragorn succeeded, he was ok with it. 7) There was no extended sequence about Aragorn getting knocked out and falling into the river in a battle on the way to Rohan. 8) Faramir was not weak as portrayed in the film (Jackson himself later admitted that he regretted doing that). 9) Denethor was not a a psychotic dementia ridden fool. He was a strong man that was damaged in his use of the seeing stone. 10) There was no overriding theme of how "Men are weak" "Men are so weak". 11) Orcs didn't climb walls like spiders. Is that enough? None of these things are needed in any way shape or form to adapt a written work to film. These are ways that Jackson changed the story from what the books portray. Jackson changed a LOT from the books. So the above statement is wrong, and my observation about it is totally correct.

[@DaveMiller2]

@@Powerhaus88 In the books: 1) Aragorn NEVER wavered from his quest or doubted himself. 2) Gimli was wise, not comic relief. 3) Merry and Pippen likewise were not comic relief, or the idiots that the film made them out to be. 4) The elves were not at Helm's Deep. 5) Elrond was not angry or distasteful of Arwen marrying Aragorn. He only said no less than the the King of Men would be appropriate for his daughter, so if Aragorn succeeded, he was ok with it. 7) There was no extended sequence about Aragorn getting knocked out and falling into the river in a battle on the way to Rohan. 8) Faramir was not weak as portrayed in the film (Jackson himself later admitted that he regretted doing that). 9) Denethor was not a a psychotic dementia ridden fool. He was a strong man that was damaged in his use of the seeing stone. 10) There was no overriding theme of how "Men are weak" "Men are so weak". 11) Orcs didn't climb walls like spiders. Is that enough? None of these things are needed in any way shape or form to adapt a written work to film. These are ways that Jackson changed the story from what the books portray. Jackson changed a LOT from the books. So the above statement is wrong, and my observation about it is totally correct. I love how you have zero fucking evidence to back up your claim.

[@frocat5163]

@@DaveMiller2 Don't get me wrong, I agree with you on the changes made from the books to the films. They certainly exist, and I absolutely despised most of them. However, Jackson specifically stated in that clip that they intended to keep the _themes_ Tolkien introduced / conveyed rather than they didn't want to change specific scenes or plot elements. "We didn't want to put any of our own, certainly in terms of the thematic material, we didn't want to put any of our baggage...I mean, we had no interest in putting any of our messages into this movie." His comment certainly didn't explicitly state, or even imply, that they had no intention to change specific scenes or plot elements. Of all the things you mentioned in your list (all of which I agree were unnecessary / bad changes), the only altered theme is the repeated insistence that Men are weak. And that's essentially the only theme that drastically changed.

[@SeaWarriorSon]

Honor the LOTR legacy and DONT watch it. It’s real simple kids: If you don’t watch it, it never happened.

[@dermagnus8482]

Exactly. No woke shit after 2015. Not one single movie after that.

[@obelic71]

I rather go to the dentist for a rootcanal treatment without sedation then watch them rape and murder LOTR.

[@maple1234567890321]

the same can be applied for almost all sequels this days - I am looking at you disney star wars

[@Crichjo32]

I will never watch or acknowledge this new series. If people bring it up in conversation, I won't contribute. Far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

@Brad Jack There's a few interesting things they've made, but I can always sail the seven seas for those 🏴‍☠️. Yo-ho-ho!

[@Bones12x2]

I just rewatched the trilogy for the first time in several years and the thing that struck me most that never occurred to me in past watches was.... Those movoes would have never ever been made as well as they were if they tried to make them now. There were so many times where I thought... they'd mess this scene up or they would try to force some agenda here or they would pointlessly make this character a POC or woman for no reason other than white self hate or they would write this poorly.... etc etc... Basically, watching how genuine and sincere the creation of the movies was done was the very thing that made me realize that this Amazon show was doomed from the start.

[@jasonshirrillmusic]

a lot of it does have to do with that these people who are being given the power to screw these shows up are people who truly hate them selves for being who they are, white or not but mostly. it's astounding how this county is on every level a pale shadow of what our fore fathers intended, oh and that's right they were all white sorry get over it.

[@hamletstragedy8988]

"I am not altogether on anyone's side, because no one is altogether on my side." - Treebeard.

[@elipetrou9308]

I agree, both sides suck these days

[@coreyaruecker]

I always identify with that sentiment from tree beard most of all

[@debbie4503]

GOOD ONE!!!

[@treebeard8475]

Darn tootin

[@arkanoiddude]

As a "movie firster" fan of Tolkien (I watched the movies before reading the books), your comment reminded me of when I saw The Two Towers for the first time, and what an amazing experience that was back in 2002.

[@Perktube1]

Sauron, Sarumon, Amazon… Im starting to see a Morgothian trend here.

[@fredrikandersson205]

Amasauron? ;)

[@helwing01]

Amazon rhymes with Al-Pharazon, last king of Numenor before its fall.

[@Finraen]

Instead of the story of Ar-Pharazon being responsible for sinking Numenor, it will be the story of how Ar-Amazon sank 2nd age Tolkien lore.

[@SeanFication]

I'm getting tired of the wealthiest and most powerful people in the world pretending to be "the resistance", as if they are some plucky band of underdogs heroically standing up to the wealthy and powerful.

[@stormewolfe4565]

Feels like a lot of talks and not a lot of sincerity....

[@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530]

... as if they are some plucky band of underdogs heroically standing up to the wealthy and powerful. But Gary is?

[@WalterUnglaub]

Don't you get it? This is how they ensure the status quo...by commodifying the concept of "resistance" and keeping the dumb, "woke" masses addicted to bread and circuses. It's a simple algorithm that's been used by the powerful for all of recorded history....distract and feed off the weak-minded masses with pretty lights and garbage media...not unlike jingling keys in front of a baby.

[@zerocool5395]

I follow Mark Hamill, love the guy but he caught TDS. He also posted something about being the resistance last year during the elections. I commented "You can't be the resistance when social media, Hollywood and 90% of corporate press have your back.

[@examiningkubrickphilosofia1530]

@@zerocool5395 Mark however is consistent. I don't like his politics either. I'm more with Chomsky. But he hated Trump before it was fashionable - he was very pro-Obama. He's always been a liberal but intolerant of other ideologies and happy to play both sides - pro-/anti-corporate, pro-/anti-Disney, etc.

[@InfamoussDBZ]

I'm going to echo the Critical Drinker when he said, "If you have nothing new to add don't add anything at all." He's why I found your channel, but it's also god damn true.

[@turbobutton1]

I thought the LOTR movies were very diverse to start with. You had humans, elves, Hobbits, trolls, orcs, goblins, cursed ghosts, wizards, ents, werebears, and dwarves. That checked a lot of boxes.

[@grantjohnson5785]

It even had strong female characters! Eowyn, Arwen, Galadriel (a.k.a. "Scary Lady")... and Rosie Cotton, who conquered the heart of a true hero.

[@boratb258]

Black brown and Asian people want to be apart of Europe in the middle ages.

[@lukethejazz]

Saying "there's no asians" in lord of the rings, is like saying there's no white Europeans in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon...

[@johnangeles7325]

I think the easterlings,is considered the Asians in LOTR trilogy

[@lukethejazz]

@@johnangeles7325 I think the Easterlings are just Easterlings, not everything needs a counterpart, same as Dwarves and Elves are just whats they are.

[@magister343]

Tolkien was pretty clear that the Orcs were "Mongoloid," as well as "Black Skinned," but I suspect such a faithful depiction would not go over well at all.

[@BartAllen]

*Why not read Tolkien's material and letters before typing that? For example: *Tolkien to Henry Resnick:* "Rhun is the Elvish word for ‘east.’ Asia, China, Japan, and all the things which people in the west regard as far away. And south of Harad is Africa, the hot countries." 😂 One of the most important characters to Sauron during the latter periods of the Second Age was king in Rhun by the name of Khamul, who later appears with eight friends ~

[@zonefreakman]

@@BartAllen Are you seriously using this as an argument for diversity to be put into the Lord of the Rings? I'm not really understanding your intentions because you're just trying to refute people in these comments how the lotr supposedly wasn't created for a certain kind of European culture.

[@grumpybear1081]

The desecration of LotR will hurt, a lot, more than ST and SW ever did. The last age of men is truly upon us.

[@fortnitepros8025]

Don’t let it hurt. Don’t give them that power. Tune off and forget all about the amazon show- accept it will be shit. Accept the fact that the people producing it will be more concerned about shoehorning in woke politics than making an authentic product for fans of Tolkien. U have ur books and old movies. At the moment Hollywood looks at beloved franchises as first and foremost a vehicle to push wokeness. I feel many people producing these shows love inflicting psychological games on conservative minded people. They love fucking up franchises.they like getting people’s hopes up and then destroying the franchises and characters they think fondly of right in front of their face-just like what they done with Star Wars. I think it’s important to turn ur back on anything these bastards come out with and when u do that they lose, but when u let them disappoint u and demoralise u even a little bit- they win.

[@Quyana16]

You're going to watch it and FEED IT.

[@kathleenhensley5951]

That is why I won't buy or finance it. Lord of the Rings means too much to me. I can't bear to watch it desecrated. Just can't. It would be like watching mice eating a beautiful rose ... my heart would break.

[@judsoncoe]

@@fortnitepros8025 you have to allow it to hurt so someone will eventually do something about it. You’re rationalizing inaction as advice.

[@fortnitepros8025]

Judson Coe It’s obvious profits come second to woke politics. Hollywood has proven time and time again they are more than willing to take the financial hit to push wokeness. They will never change. Look at state of the comics book industry? Mangas are slaying American comics in the sales, has the mainstream comics book industry decided to dial back wokeness? No. Look at the state of Star Wars. The merchandise sales have nosedived ages ago with the shit there producing then they come out with the laughable high republic! My point is pushing woke garbage is their number 1 priority. By walking away from it and not parting with your time and money ur winning. If u keep on waiting for them to throw u a bone from the table, expecting them to change u lose.

[@gusce6933]

Sadly, the collapse of Hollywood will hurt low-level workers: the lunch wagon guy, technicians, script girls, wardrobe people, janitors, electricians, extras, etc. The wealthy people behind all this society-ruining trash will not suffer. I like your videos, Nerdrotic.

[@And-ur6ol]

The Lord of the Rings films are lightning in a bottle striking three times in a row. Thank the gods we got those, because they couldn't be made today.

[@thewildcard600]

Legolas would have been trans and Frodo giving it Sam from behind

[@And-ur6ol]

@@thewildcard600 Legolas would be black, Aragorn trans, and Gimli would be a woman. And yea, Frodo and Sam would definately be a gay couple.

[@TheStraightestWhitest]

@@And-ur6ol Nah Aragorn would be the black one, because he's with a white woman, and that's super woke.

[@And-ur6ol]

@@TheStraightestWhitest Thats a good point. I was also thinking that Merry and Pippin would be the none-binary trans duo. And Legolas would not change in gender, race or sexuality, but he would instead always miss, becoming the failed white cis-hetero guy that just think he is great and fails.

[@DiscipleOfDefiance]

I was watching Two Towers the other day and it jumped out at me when you first see the Rohirrim, it's a sea of blonde/light brown hair. Everyone in Rohan is White with blonde/light brown hair. It actually stood out to me instantly. Just shows how long it's been since a homogenous White culture was shown in mainstream Hollywood

[@bmjv77]

When they call Tolkien racist, do they know that they're talking about an African immigrant?

[@SuperDarknut]

If this was the case Elon Musk would get a lot more defending what with him being a South African immigrant But when I was a kid near the border the only kid I ever saw get deported was the South African white kid so I guess it doesn't actually count

[@thecomedian5933]

But he is white. So that makes him a huwhite supreme pizza by default. (According to the woke cult anyways)

[@geraldchurchill5576]

They can twist anything to their narrative, if pressed on the issue they would probably say that makes him even more of a colonialist racist or something.

[@williamdudley3017]

Dont forget the time where he gave the German soldiers in ww2 the written equivalent of a middle finger when they asked him if he was of Jewish descent.

[@hlgoodkat9677]

Best question yet.

[@moseshorowitz4345]

And so, the rule of Gondor was given over to lesser men.

[@GeneralProfessor]

Say what you will about Isildur, but when all looked lost instead of giving up or sinking into despair he instead picked up his father's sword.

[@jonathandantonio649]

@@GeneralProfessor In the actual story Elendil and Gil-Galad had thrown Sauron down at the cost of their lives. Only then did Isildur take up the hilt-shard of Narsil and cut the Ring from his finger.

[@shayla106]

@@jonathandantonio649 Still brave of him.

[@VeaRectus]

“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made“ ~Tolkien

[@dangerzone2273]

Lord of the Rings has no nudity. Lord of the Rings needs no nudity. -Boromir, probably

[@BartAllen]

*The Silmarillion and First Age material has a reasonable amount of nudity ...*

[@crimson1453]

@@BartAllen Yeah, but it isn't brash nudity like how Game of Thrones is portrayed. Tolkien described and showed nudity in a gentle and important manner.

[@BartAllen]

@@crimson1453 *Well you're right 100% - so we'll see what happens haha ~*

[@crimson1453]

@@BartAllen For real though I don't have much hope tbh, I'd love to see nudity represented in an elegant and important manner instead of the GOT with sex just being a selling point.

[@dikkie1000]

Gollum wasn't wearing much...

[@darthsardonis]

“YOU SHALL PASS…on this woke bullshit.” - Gandalf

[@elliesimpson1313]

🤣🤣🤣

[@clintonleonard5187]

I shall.

[@culturecanvas777]

YOU SHALL NOT PASS the wokeness forth! Or just make Gandalf say the YSNP to a woke Balrog.

[@TheMasonator777]

🤣🤣🤣🤣👍

[@MiraSubieGirl]

Funny that Ian McKellan has been openly gay for decades, yet LOATHES this new Left wing movement of recent.

[@skeecats]

As a person of color I can say singling out white men to be treated as villians and secondary citizens IS RACISM. You cannot fight racism by giving one group of people special treatment you end racism by LOVING AND RESPECTING ALL PEOPLE.

[@zoltanz288]

you are a person.

[@stommx]

Well said brother..

[@jackc7617]

Holy wood and Bezos have long since turned their backs on God and long for immortality of the Morgoth worshiping human sacrificing islanders...

[@albertbresca8904]

umm... what has god to do with any of this???

[@jmo2475]

They should just donate that 465 million to charity because no one is gonna watch that show.

[@Ishwolv]

I'd pay just to see 465 million dollars in cash. They don't need to spend it on LOTR.

[@somechinesedude5466]

Its a charity to whoever making this series

[@sadface7457]

Mr beast

[@joselao9]

@Trey Stephens "Everyone forgets" ? 😅 who even watches that crap?

[@v.v.7522]

That’s exactly the problem, they are no “partisans of liberty.”

[@guilherme5094]

Tolkien fans being blamed for the series' failure in 3 2 1 ...

[@notbloodylikely4817]

Yep. We Tolkien fans are just the same racists who didn't like new Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, Doctor Who and Ghostbusters. Not because the stories are shit, the characters are shit and there's nothing to redeem any of them but because we're racists, and sexists, and transphobics etc etc.

[@radiofreealbemuth8540]

This.

[@juliaj7939]

Exactly! 💯

[@veeshan6164]

Racist mysognistic white men being blamed for the series faillure in 3 2 1 ... here i corrected it for you

[@samus9420]

I've never seen someone so right lol. and yes, it will inevitably be blamed on white men. I'm actually kind of curious how they're going to explain black noldorin elves. Too much time spent under the light of the two trees maybe? got a little too close?

[@wallflower1852]

I'm from The Philippines, and most Filipinos are conservative, and wokeism will never be part of our culture. Its sad that American pop culture, which we venerate and consume conspicuously, is slowly being devoured by wokeness. Everthing woke turns sh*t.

[@uss_cushing]

If Amazon screws this up the Star Wars, Doctor Who, Star Trek backlash will look like a flash in the pan compared to the Yellowstone eruption backlash that will hit them.

[@whos-the-stiff]

We need this backlash to happen, all our other franchises have been torn asunder with barely a whimper.

[@silvernova354]

Agreed. It will be the "super volcano" of all fan backlashes. And they deserve nothing less.

[@danb2947]

I don't think so. Personally I think it's going to be a complete flop and it won't ever enter the public consciousness enough for there to be a backlash. Appointment viewing is over. The second age is awesome but too obscure and complicated for casual fans. It's just going to be a complete failure in summary.

[@deanerhar]

I will cancel my prime and declare issues with every package ever sent to my place if this becomes woke garbage. It will cost them more than what they spent to make the show in returned packages and customer service complaints to deal with our wrath!

[@ricn5494]

What do you mean if....lol...sure you didnt mean when

[@veeshan6164]

They bought the franchise thinking having the name lord of the rings attached to a tv serie written by average hollywood writers would somehow make it as successfull, they are in for a surprise

[@Superuser009]

The end of Game of Thrones put paid to that particular misconception, at least if you have half a brain.

[@tabull8180]

@@Superuser009 It really did, but thats not even the worst thing they misunderstand. They want to create a thing like what GoT was in its prime. I don't think a phenomenon like GoT can happen in our lifetime ever again. Even if you make something absolutely brilliant, people are going to be wary of investing their time in it more than necessary because it can become shit in an instant. Its quite sad really, but thats what they must understand.

[@CoryTheRaven]

Average? That's giving them far more credit than they're do. A large number of the people behind this are names I name for why Hollywood films are absolute shit.

[@chastinreppert7685]

My family and I are Hawaiian and Hispanic. We love LOTR and watch the trilogy every year between Thanksgiving and Christmas. We have never felt excluded, nor thought “no one looks like me, I can’t identify with anyone,.” This type of narcissistic , self-centered, and woke mindset needs to STOP already. Such bs for agenda driven asses.

[@thegray5730]

I just keep hearing Queen singing, "Another one bites the dust..."

[@SweetandFullofGrace]

Next up Sandman after that the last bastion of "toxic masculinity" .. 40k oh it will happen, already in the books women are taking more prominent role. Its just so hard sell grimdarkness of the future is not inviting to normies specially not for women, ist just war and death.

[@beng4606]

Imagine spending 500 million on a political venture. Oh wait that's nothing compared to elections so whatever

[@jordane8526]

Hollywood is the propaganda arm of the political elite. Currently run by demoncrats.

[@METALFREAK03]

This is why the yanks continue down the same path, they don't have laws to stop over spending on election campaigns. That is why the yanks always vote in the same president since their incanation. There all exactly the same. White, Rich, well to do, american. Before you say "Obama", he was the whitest black man I have ever seen. He was from ex british colony, Kenya. Need I say anymore?

[@adrianjuarez1162]

@@METALFREAK03 Obama was black you idiot and didn’t even act white and married a a black woman he was from Kenya then he African or African American yanks so British huh? Are you guys handling your knife and acid attacks while you guys had the same white queen for or so years don’t come at us with the we vote for the same white guy while you guys are ruled by the same family is that not the truth?

[@TheKnightPatriot]

"If you try to be all things to all people, you end up disappointing everyone." - Someone (probably) This "global audience" thing is always going to be a bad idea.

[@sidharan4995]

When will they learn.

[@rubix4195]

It's Aesop; it's from "The son, the father and the donkey" : "If you please everyone, you please no one." One of my favourite sayings also goes well with: "Fine words and an insinuating appearance are seldom associated with true virtue." - Confucius "Make a tree good and its fruit will be good, or make a tree bad and its fruit will be bad, for a tree is recognized by its fruit." - Jesus "Get woke, go broke." The internet

[@shawnn7502]

OR... "You can please some of the people all the time and all the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the time." -- Abraham Lincoln

[@user-qj9en1kp1m]

@@sidharan4995 Probably never.

[@user-qj9en1kp1m]

Probably it will be so expensive that literally everybody needs to watch it in order to make its money back.

[@black-aliss]

Middle Eastern here. There's a huge LOTR fandom in Turkey. HUGE. I've never heard of anyone say they can't see themselves in the stories and that they felt left out. No, they love the lore and the characters on their own merit. I adored the hobbits and their life in the Shire not because I saw myself mirrored in them, but because the setting, the land and the myth felt alive. Like somewhere you wished could be real, people you could meet. Aragorn being the hidden heir to a hopeless country of Men under threat from the Shadow still moved us deeply, still became our favoured mythology despite us not being English. It felt universal in its appeal and it never occured to me, or anyone I know that I should look for a direct analogue to myself and my friends and pitch a fit if I didn't find any.

[@jujuberrie]

Damn, Gandalf's sick line to Worm tongue was interrupted by an Amy Schumer Tampax commercial... The irony

[@greggeverman5578]

Ouch!

[@stevemuzak8526]

"There is only one Lord of the Rings" Gandalf.

[@MrCharrrles]

and he does not share power

[@quicoboy]

...and he does not share copyrights...

[@Lupus-iv7jp]

And he does not share franchises

[@JunguianPhantom]

"So you have chosen...death"

[@twinkthatloveslotrtrilogy7676]

@@MrCharrrles *Gwarhir flies away with Gandalf while epic soundtrack plays*

[@animoetprudentia2865]

"All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost; the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by the frost."

[@theyetti90]

Just saw you on Tim Pool's TimCast. Very happy to see you there. Keep fighting the good fight.

[@USMCArchAngel03]

"Last of all Hurin stood alone. Then he cast aside his shield, and wielded an axe two-handed; and it is sung that the axe smoked in the black blood of the troll-guard of Gothmog until it withered, and each time that he slew Hurin cried: 'Aure entuluva! Day shall come again!' Seventy times he uttered that cry; but they took him at last alive...” You can't pay for something like that.

[@fantasywind3923]

Glorious last stand! One of the many epic moments in Tolkien stories!

[@USMCArchAngel03]

@@Nemo67577 No. No I don't.

[@davidcoleman757]

Remember the Fens of Serech!

[@johanbothma8031]

Goosebumps material that, one of my favorite moments in all of Tolkien's work. Hollywood today doesn't have a snowballs hope in hell bringing that to life...

[@kristiannicholson5893]

It was published works no? So I think one could in fact pay for exactly that...

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

How much you all bet that a quarter of the characters are going to get race and gendered swapped.

[@sillypuppy5940]

oh, much more than a quarter

[@Zathren]

I'd guess half. I'll put 50 cents on it.

[@Lostjayyhawk]

It's not going to matter, this shit will get two seasons Max.

[@Lornext]

With a female character(s) that's the queen of Mary Sues.

[@rickhunter8484]

At least half i think

[@theanimeslayer3999]

The sheer hubris of todays writers taking what is beloved by many and hugely popular and thinking they know better ... how has that worked out for any of these once beloved franchises being vandalized with current themes, injection of agenda and even politics. Zero faith in this 'adaptation!'

[@Biostasis5x7]

Its not hubris. The writers don't think they know better. The writers know they aren't as good as the source material and just rework the material into modern times and all it's bullshit.

[@criticalstrike1128]

Spot on! The arrogance of todays show writers believing they know better than the creators.

[@trainzactivist7245]

"Lord of the rings needs to work for a 'giant, global audience" it already does... 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@mrteabaggervance]

I hate the word “franchise” now. It’s synonymous with corporate diarrhea these days.

[@ravishingrickrude3758]

There just aren't enough Europeans in stories of the ancient Samurai. Not enough in Manga and Anime

[@grantjohnson5785]

Actually, Europeans are fairly well-represented in anime... but usually as a ditzy and/or arrogant and usually top-heavy blonde.

[@DaveMiller2]

I saw "Smoke Signals" by Sherman Alexie, a film about native Americans. I was appalled at the lack of African and Asian representation in the film. A disgrace.

[@ImCptnAwesome]

I liked The Last Samurai. But I guess when the tables are turned you want to flip the table.

[@ImCptnAwesome]

@Rifle Eyez If Hiroyuki Sanada shows up as a Rohirrim, that's not going to ruin the show (as some have said). You could say that like Last Samurai, he liked the culture of Rohan and fought by their side. Not that story necessarily but hopefully you get the point.

[@toomanymarys7355]

@@ImCptnAwesome The entire point of Middle Earth was to invent a Celto-Germanic equivalent to the Greek and Roman mythos. It is incredibly western European in its focus. It's goofball to make this particular world multi-culti. It doesn't even go as far east in its orientation as Italy or as far south as Spain.

[@hsejuro]

“Bad Reboot” an appropriate name for a company who will continue to ruin franchises.

[@Grinlathak]

Even Uwe Boll could manage to pull off a better movie.

[@Grinlathak]

@Gepetto Democratslayer A picture of Box Turtle Bozo's face to the Metallica song "The Thing that should not be" would be better than the crap that's about to vomit from the smile on the Amazon logo.

[@commanderphilbo1471]

I will never forget the first time I watched lord of the rings..it was the first few weeks it came out and I never heard of it before the drive to the theater. Soon as the movie was done ...I walked out and bought a ticket for the next viewing.

[@Ed__Powell]

Tom is so afraid of Amazon lawyers, he’s not talking on Tolkien at all anymore, lest he be sued for violating the NDA he signed. Great people, Amazon.

[@CRAZYGREGFILMS]

I’ve always considered Middle Earth a place unlike our world.

[@CRAZYGREGFILMS]

@@suzygirl1843 I don't think it has yet, otherwise everyone would be talking about it.

[@47279J]

That also used to be the world of Star Trek. Now take a look at Picard and Discovery and see what it's become.

[@steve4729]

But...but...it’s supposed to reflect our world exactly in terms of race, religion (except Christianity), creed and sexual preferences. (Sarcasm)

[@CRAZYGREGFILMS]

@@steve4729 HAHAHA

[@steve4729]

@@CRAZYGREGFILMS I want to like your comment but then it wouldn’t have 69 likes anymore

[@fabsmaster5309]

Imagine complaining that Mulan doesn't have more white people. LOTR is a mythology that Tolkien created for people from the British Isles who happen to be white, so yeah it's got a bunch of white people in it.

[@peterbalholm2138]

Yes, the story is not about the entire world.

[@rogueassassin875]

Well "white people bad" so

[@bohellan6227]

Sad thing is that there are both asians (in the form of the easterlings) and dark skinned men (in the form of the men of Harad to name two examples. It really isn't hard to find, and once you see where they live and understand the history and powers that rule the west (where the movies take place), you understand why the protagonists and their peoples lack high concentrations of melanin in their skin.

[@JerehmiaBoaz]

The point isn't that there aren't any non-whites in LOTR mythology, the point is that the Easterlings as well as the Southrons are evil servants of Morgoth or Sauron. Only the Easterling Folk of Bór aren't described as enemies.

[@NormanReaddis]

it's like asking little mermaid to be black but it's origin is a Danish tale

[@eltiket]

Ok, lets make a prediction and lets see how it goes when the show releases. The male characters are going to be: 1) incompetent idiots with no agency, always needing validation from the female protagonists, and always needing to be told what to do. 2) the bad guys. 3) support characters for the much better, smarter and stronger female characters. 4) All of the above

[@rhaevan.maniyara]

Get ready for "Sexist"

[@elofkjellson3906]

"It's like the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were, and sometimes you didn't want to know the end, because how can the end be happy? How can the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing, this shadow. Even darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines, it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you, that meant something, even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back, only they didn't. They kept going, because they were holding onto something: that there is some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for." - Sam-wise Gamgee

[@jacobl6714]

And then gollum farted and said "yeah but there needs to be more diversity and representation, stop committing microaggressions on me mr frodo" god I hate all this so muchhhhh

[@deanfirnatine7814]

Truer words never spoken

[@trublgrl]

I'm not crying, YOU'RE crying!

[@lukeskywalker6809]

Let’s leave the Lord of the Rings the classic trilogy Peter Jackson gave us.

[@ALRinaldi]

Much like George’s Prequels, we will long for the days when The Hobbit was the worst thing we had to complain about.

[@Wolf-bz6kq]

Books were better peter Jackson just watched bakshi version and said I can do better

[@Nueamien]

But but but... money!!!!!

[@jonathandantonio649]

Jackson's Lord of the Rings movies are not very good at all; he tried to rewrite Tolkien and failed. And don't tell me couldn't have stayed true to the books - he ADDED hours of extra garbage. And the Hobbit movies are downright awful.

[@no_activity]

@@jonathandantonio649 exactly, the removal of the backstory of the blades found in the barrow is enough to destroy the main theme of the story.

[@dude-zr8gi]

Taking bets now, this is going to make the Hobbit trilogy look like a masterpiece.

[@davidelmer7482]

Which would be an accomplishment on its own, considering how big of a dissapointment the Hobbit movies were. But you're right, unfortunately.

[@kathleenhensley5951]

Yes.

[@r.blakehole932]

Yes, just like the Disney Abominations made The Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, and Revenge of the Sith look like works of pure genius. After Disney's butchery I think Jar Jar Binks should get an Academy Award!

[@Rhodair]

@@davidelmer7482 I enjoy the Tolkien Edit of it

[@firenze6478]

It shouldn’t have been multiple movies, definitely not a trilogy. It’s one book

[@kulovicz3152]

Lord of the Rings is so old, so iconic and so well known that Amazon touching it is almost like trying to reinvent the Bible. And the backlash will be equally big for every mistake they will make.

[@PaulIsDeadMissHim]

Why would someone even try to remake Lord of the Rings, when a version impossible to top already exists?

[@ewolffman]

its not a remake of lord of the rings... its a story from the 2nd age (read the Silmarillion)

[@corentinm.105]

The films are really good, though it's completely possible to top them if someone want to readapt them someday. They're cutting or morphing so much of the story I'm sure a longer show ( 6 movies, or a complete serie for it ) following the books precisely would be insanely good. Not efficient financially, but amazing. ( Too high budget require for too little public ) Of course they better keep the music in this case, and the actors and scenery change would looks weird firstly. But there could be a better adaptation than what we have.

[@maxblade1155]

@@corentinm.105 ye i think remake would be good,but not a movie,lotr needs tv series,if u want to show us gandalf vs nazguls,tom bombadill,radagast,more ents,glorfindel etc,then u need more than 3 movies (12hours),u need tv series with 3 seasons,1 season for 1 book

[@claraakane]

The same way people try to ruin already perfect simple glazed donuts by throwing avocados bacon and mayo on it and charge you $25. Nothing beats a $1.25 glazed donut. Nothing.

[@thomashumphrey4953]

It's going to be a prequel series not a remake or reboot supposed to be set thousands of years before the events of The Hobbit or the Lord of the Rings!!

[@JustaGuy_Gaming]

What Hollywood just doesn't realize is they lack the monopoly they used to have. Not only do you have other forms of media from KZbin and the private sector to make more entertainment than any one could ever watch.... There also exist the high seas. It's very easy to watch something that just came out without subscribing to their services..... So you can't just have some one be mildly interested in a new show, you have to love it and be willing to support it.

[@angermacfadden2702]

YAAAARAaaaargh!

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Yo yo ho and a bottle of grey market Japanese soda!

[@ZepherCarnell]

​@@TheMrPeteChannel Ramune as in the soda kinda sounds like rum if you drop the ne at the end. Here's a bottle of ramune!

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

@@ZepherCarnell d'oh! That's the name I was looking for! Watch streaming services on the high seas! Yo ho ho & a bottle of grey market Ramune!

[@stormryder4305]

Indeed. At this point, they're being disrespectful to their customers is "stunning and brave."

[@FeatherRanching]

I sometimes wonder how this era's "art" will be viewed historically. Assuming anything resembling history survives this era.

[@danielduncan6806]

History? The overwhelming vast majority of people are entirely ignorant to history as it is. So you can stop wondering, nobody is going to know, or care. The moment is all that matters to the overwhelming vast majority. Now. This very instant. They can't remember the past. And they are too stupid to see anything in the future beyond their own instant gratification.

[@ikept_the_jethryk2421]

I have thought about this a bit. We are in a period akin to visual art the Middle Ages, where people literally lost perspective. Ever wonder why the king or Jesus is way larger than the common people? Because art was subject to the political rules of the day. You have to make the most important person the biggest and put allegorical objects floating around for no reason, and label shit right in the picture like a cartoon so no one gets confused about the message. One day we will get a Renaissance. We’ve already got the Plague, so who knows?

[@newworldman2112]

Don't worry.....and have hope....a new renaissance will some day arise and people will speak of the old American republic and strive to recreate it.

[@floridaman6982]

Depends on who wins the culture war

[@pi0trulu]

If, and thats a big if, history as we know it survives this madness of political correctness and being woke, then this "art" will look like communist propaganda movies about rising tractor production rates and opening more steel mills.

[@r.l.royalljr.3905]

The thing Hollywood seems to have forgotten in their wokeness is that when you tell someone else's story, you tell THEIR story, you don't tell YOUR story wrapped in their set dressing. That's called "fanfic," and while there is the occasional fanfic that rises to the quality of the property it idolizes, more often than not it's just incoherent trash.

[@ikept_the_jethryk2421]

But 50 shades of grey made a bajillion dollars so we have to try it a bajillion times that’s the rule

[@fattiger6957]

TBH, that's what Hollywood has always done. The studios never respected authors. That's why 95% of 'adaptations' have been so divorced from the source material to be something completely different. And that's been going on long before the woke era. There are a ton of movies based off Philip K Dick's books, but none of them are close to the books (because he wrote stories about severely flawed people who often don't do the right thing and they rarely have the Hollywood happy ending)

[@wafflingmean4477]

Yeah the Witcher show massively struggles with that. Not much in the woke area, but the writers changed a bunch of really important shit about how the world and backstory works for literally no reason. The only possible cause is that they assumed they knew better. (Although one or two changes were very good ideas)

[@KennaDeMerkedo]

@@wafflingmean4477 don't know about the amount of the woke in the Witcher, as seeing how warped the story in the pilot was, black dude in Cintra and seeing a "quirky young feminist" in place of Caldemeyn announcing with a straight face that she killed a rat with a fork was enough for me. I never went further than the pilot, never will with this drivel. Loving Sapkowski's work for 30 odd years, not going to witness it sullied like that.

[@wafflingmean4477]

@@KennaDeMerkedo The worse thing they did in my opinion is simplify the villains. Nilfgaard is just a bunch of religious fanatics who owe their entire success to Fringilla Vigo, who in this version was sent from the North, and isn't even from Nilfgaard. And she really drank the coolaid and became a fanatic who is pure evil. Cahir is a fucking psycho who I don't see them believably redeeming. In the books he was a good man fighting for the wrong side. Oh and Vilgefortz is a weak little bitch. He gets the shit kicked out of him by Cahir and the actor just doesn't sell the role. Vilgefortz in the books is fucking unsettling at the best of times. In this portrayal he's just some random forgettable sorcerer. You wouldn't even think he's important except he randomly kills an ally in the final battle just so the audience goes "oh he's evil I'm supposed to pay attention to him". Emyr also feels like a miscast. He again just comes off as some guy during the betrothal feast as Cintra. They still do the whole curse thing but at no point does the actor really establish a solid presence. In the books Duny was someone to remember. He was so open in his challenge to Calanthe's authority.

[@realnickmasters]

You did an amazing job covering all the faults in Amazons vision for the Lord of the Rings. Unfortunately I know they’re going to fail and deliver us a piece of crap. They’re also making the book series the wheel of time, and they’re going to destroy it with the same identity politics.

[@beardedraven7285]

Did you enjoy Moiraine and Suian being in a lesbian subdom relationship

[@armorking7258]

"The age of creativity is over, the age of woke has come".

[@paulrevere2379]

And what is being produced now is like the heap of waste and slag sitting outside the black gates. Filth vomited up from the hills. Hills populated by a dark evil host. Hollywood hills Beverly hills, etc.

[@Doxymeister]

@@paulrevere2379 Orks. That's what they are. Orks.

[@phoebecross8514]

Sick of hearing this, it would be filled with alt-right trash if that was the more accepted social norm. The 'woke' shoehorned garbage is not itself the problem, it is the fact of creative bankruptcy and so the they are just filling the void with whatever is more acceptable in their circles. Heck, most of what you call 'woke' has always been there and was never a problem before because it was subtle and sprinkled into the background of the story often implied in times of brevity. The problem is that is that it now holds the place of plot and character because they are running out of ideas at this point. And that is also due to how audiences consume media today where if something isn't 'original' enough they will blast it for being cliche or rehashing an old trope. So they have run out of creativity but also too scared to try and please an overtly critical audience and so instead look to please employers and those within Hollywood and high society. I don't blame them really as just look at KZbin content and you will see people have clearly taken to favouring a negative response at any oppurtunity, and they try more than I would care to please such people. Pleasing their boss and socialites at least has benefits, tell me what pleasing you gets them especially when figures show you will probably still watch it if only to make memes and have detail to bag on.

[@andressolar517]

first it was called "Idiocracy" but it was clear, that they were going to change the magic "wording". "Woke" is really stupid enough to be worthy.

[@phoebecross8514]

@DAGGER This is the fact of the matter. There is no better example than comparing the absolute hypocrisy of Blizzard's response on Hong Kong protests and BLM protests.

[@SirMattomaton]

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S. Lewis

[@TanukiDigital]

This is the best quote for our times.

[@steve4729]

Chills

[@TheSleepLes]

Applies to ideologies and religions.

[@yukonfarnsworth1688]

@@TheSleepLes it applies to whats going on today.

[@juliantheapostate8295]

And Tolkien was a good friend of C S Lewis

[@stanbartsch1984]

I am of the opinion that if someone cannot "see themselves" in a story about the hero's journey, it is not the lack of "inclusion" on the part of the story teller, but a lack of imagination on the part of the reader. I find myself identifying with the characters in Blade, in Black Panther, in Mulan, in Gilgamesh, in Muana, and a whole host of stories that speak not to the race, the sex, or the "identity" of the characters, but to the common struggles of all humanity.

[@bengirard1984]

This. Had this discussion with a friend last week about that actually. We were born in the 80's and movies like Beverly Hills Cop, Alien, Predator(which had a great diverse cast...but this diversification was never mentioned..they were just bad ass and that's it), Blade (it was in the 90's but the argument still stands), Lethal Weapon, Demolition Man, etc were just enjoyable, plain and simple, regardless of the race, gender, etc We liked Beverly Hills Cop for example, not because its lead was black, because Eddie Murphy was great and relatable. I can assure you that if a friend would've said like ''I'm not gonna watch this movie because the lead is black'' we would've probably just said like ''Get the fuck out of here you fucking moron'' lol A great story is a great story and people will appreciate it. Only ignorant people will close themselves to others. But these days, it's all about making a point and it's tiresome. When you have friends in the LBGTQ community that hate what Hollywood is doing because it separates them AGAIN from the mass because they are treated differently, to me it speaks volume.

[@3rdtimesthecharm376]

I didn't need to change my skin to enjoy and see bits of myself in T'challa or Django- SO WHY CAN'T THESE FOLK DO THE SAME!? Seems to say more about their uninspired prejudice than thr characters themselves.

[@kathleenmcconaha5608]

I identified with the rabbits in Watership Down Not even my species!!!

[@jasonshirrillmusic]

you said it my friend.

[@fragrantcinnamonstick]

A beautiful piece right here! Yes! I'm Asian, but somehow I related to Frodo when I was depressed. I don't think that him being white or even a hobbit mattered. I still related to him.

[@megamovieman101]

Disney screwed up Star Wars, Benioff and Weiss vomited out Game of Thrones, Rowling self-destructed Harry Potter, Warner Bros and Snyder wrecked DC, Star Trek and Doctor Who imploded in on themselves, Disney dumbed down Pirates of the Caribbean, and now, one of the last remaining untouched franchises... corrupted by Amazon.

[@maxheadroom4659]

This is gonna crash and burn so hard, once they gender and race swap all the characters, make all the characters gay, etc. Gonna laugh so hard.

[@testpilotian3188]

The show runners won’t care as long as they get their message out, it’s not their money they’re wasting. Yeah, it’ll be great watching this crash and burn won’t it lol

[@wefinishthisnow3883]

That's what I don't get. Asian and subcontinental countries are racist af and barely tolerate white people let alone black or LGBT people (e.g. Disney editing out the lesbian kiss, shrinking the black people on marketing material). If they want to maximise their global audience of which the two biggest countries are also two of the most racist, it would make more business sense to follow the same vein as what made it successful.

[@testpilotian3188]

@@wefinishthisnow3883 worst place I ever experienced for racism was the Middle East.

[@Skyhigh864]

He made LoTR to become English folk lore as England compared to Greece and other European countries, we didn’t really have any. So religious in that respect as I think he was going for the English Gods. So saying it’s global is stupid,

[@Mofi357]

round table a joke?

[@Skyhigh864]

@@Mofi357 That’s more Britain supposed to just England

[@Mofi357]

@@Skyhigh864 Druids ??

[@FlynnTheDon]

@@Mofi357 most of the Druidic lore was lost in Britain when the Romans killed the druids at holy island. The Druids passed on knowledge through speech and didn’t write things down so it was lost. And then again after 1066 the normans removed and erased much of the Anglo Saxon mythology by burning tapestries and destroying other parts of Anglo Saxon culture. As an Englishman, this is a big reason for my love of lord of the rings. It gives us something that we didn’t have before and that’s why I’m passionate and angry when I see people fucking with it.

[@brucetucker4847]

@@Mofi357 That's Celtic Briton. Tolkien wanted to write an _English_ mythology.

[@beetlejuice2725]

"Don't let the gates of moria hit you on the way out" lmao

[@definitelynotobama6851]

That was such an iconic phrase. I'm stealing it for later use myself.

[@lazyskull7949]

I just imagine Frodos mother staring at the camera and uttering something like, "women are strong too, fuck donald trump!" or better yet, "the ones that suffer most from war are women back home".

[@Flufferz626]

Every single fantasy series coming out is being described as "The Game of Thrones of etc etc." it's all so tiresome.

[@ghekster]

I skipped Game of Thrones and Vikings as I felt they were an insult to my ancestors...in the same theme, many fine shows tossed themself into the wastebasket as they 24 cloned themselves......

[@abrahemsamander3967]

Exactly! I mean. Does every romance movie get called the “notebook of _____” or comedy films get called the “groundhogs day of ____” it’s a fucking genre! It’s been popular for years in fact. And most kids watch a movie with fairy tale and fantasy elements!

[@Finwaell]

@@ghekster vikings were such trash :D I only watched a few series because my gf at the time was into them. GoT was fun at times, but it's nowhere near the quality of LOTR and never will be, so I didn't even make the comparison. It's people who never saw or read any other fantasy in their life that are comparing that.

[@reaperinsaltbrine5211]

@@Finwaell True enough. The score of Vikings is good though :)

[@Fifi-jb3yx]

@@ghekster whose ancestors does got insult… middle eastern ppl maybe for the unsubtle dothraki, but the rest is fictional?

[@AziaXtremeNFinity]

the moment they announced that they wanted it to be like Game Of Thrones I knew that was the beginning of the end

[@AziaXtremeNFinity]

@Trey Stephens do yurself a favor: DON'T! I hated that show even before the disaster of the final season I watched the first 3 and half seasons and I was bored outta my freakin mind I never understood why that overrated overhyped junkpile of garbage was so popular

[@dentrobate54]

@@AziaXtremeNFinity And apparently the first 3-4 seasons when they strictly followed the source material were the best.

[@AziaXtremeNFinity]

@Trey Stephens well the over-abundance of T&A was one problem but apart from that I found the story boring man there was really no action despite the sex scenes when I watch something medieval I want battle scenes with blood and guts flying all over the place they kinda had it but it was short

[@AziaXtremeNFinity]

@@dentrobate54 I'm sorry man but I really don't care if it followed the first couple of books or not the story was just frickin boring to me

[@petriew2018]

The moment they announced the creative team you knew it was doomed

[@manfIesh]

LOOKS LIKE MEAT'S BACK ON THE MENU BOYS

[@dav__71]

Expert guy: "...it's a very religous book in tone and he [Tolkien] knew this while writing it. It's a book that tries to convey the feeling of religion to a world that is not actually believing world or a non-religeous world". .. it particularly appeals because it's bringing religion back onto fiction" Nerdrotic: "...now I'm not a religous person and I didn't get that out of the hobbit or the LOTR to me it was just a good story. It's certainly in the silmarillion". Tolkien: “...the religious element is absorbed into the story and the symbolism”. I think what the nerdrotic means is he didn't get the religious parts *explicitly* because LOTR isn't allegory like C.S. Lewis's Narnia series. But the religious feeling is implicit and all pervasive in the LOTR, that's why people love it. Tolkien extracted the essence of Christianity and breathed it's lifeforce into the storybas that 'glue' that pervades, motivates and unifies the characters and plot. Thus, people love Christianity in this sense, but some tend to dislike it when it is embodied in the less than ideal nature of regular humans and institutions. "When we hear “I will take the ring”, we may think we hear pride, but when we hear “though I do not know the way”, we know we hear humility. Tolkien kept explicit religion out of The Lord of the Rings, but here is a powerful example of implicit religion. No one but an arrogant fool could do what Frodo did without throwing an anchor out into the deep of supernatural grace... ...The capacity to evoke wonder, which is the great power of fantasy, almost requires supernaturalism. It is inconceivable that a worldly pragmatist like John Dewey or Karl Marx could write fantasy. Only a supernaturalistic metaphysics has room for it. It says that our world has edges, that it is not all there is, that there is more. In such a world you can never say, with the bored, jaded author of Ecclesiastes, “I have seen everything” (Eccles 1:14)." Peter Kreeft, The Philosophy of Tolkien.

[@MrTobi013]

Bruh, even Gandolf can't save this one. -_- Oh he'll try, but so many will pass.

[@spacecadet35]

Gandalf? The rumour is that even SHE can't save this mini-series.

[@dylanbiggs3997]

This comment is to good

[@Geektropology]

Looks like videos are back on the menu boys!

[@brucetucker4847]

Did you ever wonder where on earth orcs picked up the concept of a menu? I can't imagine restaurants are much of a thing in goblin-town.

[@haydengoodall6767]

@@brucetucker4847 The French quarter of Barad - Dur?.

[@J_A_Redshirt]

When did they get eight-sixed?

[@Geektropology]

@@J_A_Redshirt don't know, sounded cool tho

[@afterwit3620]

The snippet of Tolkien reading was well placed, and just a touch sad.

[@kathleenhensley5951]

Only because it is so beautiful... there is a 'terrible beauty' ... like the towers falling, a joy that makes us cry because it is so beyond bearing .. that was the quote of the Eagle that went to Minas Tirith and informed them of Frodo's success. Sadly, its not in movies. I don't know why.

[@simonthoben189]

@@kathleenhensley5951 I think they left it out because they never established talking animals in the movies.

[@kathleenhensley5951]

@@simonthoben189 Perhaps so... one of the things I missed in the Hobbit were the talking eagles... that scene on the eyrie was charming, amusing? . ... wasn't there the crowning of the chief eagle in the Hobbit?

[@bmacaulay18]

This video just popped up in my cue. Sure it is over a year old. Way to call it Freddy Foreshadowing! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

[@jameskocks4734]

when i was in middle school in 1994 it was on the required reading list. im glad i read them before this nonsense.