Amazon PANICS! Deletes LOTR Fans | Rings of Power RATIOED with 1.8 Million DISLIKES?

Amazon is still DELETING comments and is clearly in PANIC mode as The Lord of the Rings backlash continues over the single worst roll out in pop culture history. The Rings of Power trailer is missing over 28,000 comments and the dislikes have descended to 1.8 million!! Could it be a KZbin "error" or could this be a much more accurate representation of how the fans really feel? One Tolkien adaptor, comic book legend Chuck Dixon, feels the same way calling The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power an ABOMINATION.
The news doesn't get any better. Looks like Amazon might be going after EVERYTHING Tolkien and the only company int heir way is Warner Bros? The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy so let's root for them both to lose.
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[@NickNapoli]

I'm so proud of the Tolkien fandom calling this show out. I think it's getting a lot of normies to wake up.

[@jkdbuck7670]

They killed comics, Dr Who, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc. Tolkien is loved by all ages...it's been around since the late 30's. I mean very young thru very old love this. Literally folks from every generation on Earth love LOTR and the Hobbit and we're not going to be pushed around. The Tolkien legendarium is the line in the sand, the last straw, the hill to die on.

[@rmmj7james293]

We've got the Jackson trilogy! They can never take them away from us! Want to fritter away billions on woke trash? Go for it Jeff! Can't wait to laugh

[@rmmj7james293]

@@jkdbuck7670 they ain't killed shit. The originals and unwoke stuff is there. Its a shame all these resources are being wasted but hero's like Nerdrotic save us from having to watch this shit. Thank you Gary

[@chrono2959]

man damn I hope so

[@StandTheOffensive]

The Lord of the Rings fans are awesome and I do really want to agree with you, however normies are too far gone. These too many sheep. They’ll eat up whatever trash Hollywood and these big tech companies throw at them.

[@danielwong6468]

I liked Chris Gore's statement. "If the only way you can identify with a character is if they are the same race, gender, and sexuality as you then maybe you're the bigot."

[@bujharvard9313]

Or at least really, really shallow.

[@edorasmarauder5761]

That'll give them something to think about, if only they had something to think with.

[@scribbles1424]

It's true. Imagine if someone white said this, they'd be called a bigot. So why are the standards shifted for others?

[@ComandaKronikk]

That's amazing hahah

[@clairesallyroos9690]

Hahaha!!! BRILLIANT!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@spyrhanna8807]

The woman claiming to be a “Tolkien scholar” reminds me a lot of a young woman working for Marvel or DC comics who famously said, “you don’t like the politics, don’t buy my book”… who then turned around and cried racism/transphobia when no one bought her books.

[@NeoAutodroid]

My father and grandfather always said "dont fix what isnt broken". LOTR needs no remake, it needs no modification. If I was filthy rich I'd buy all the rights and simply do nothing with them just so nobody else can defile it further.

[@lilmovieperp3599]

so by your grandfather's own saying, Peter Jackson shouldn't have touched the LOTR either....

[@stevej8589]

You'd have to also avoid cruise rides and plane rides forever

[@jonahhumfleet472]

@@lilmovieperp3599 he didn't change much though, he made a fairly accurate live action representation, Amazon is drastically changing the lore/history and personalities of characters for the sake of "diversity", it doesn't even adhear to the source material, why call it lord of the rings at all?

[@dorn0531]

“LotR has no remake. LotR needs no remake.” - Boromir of Gondor (kinda)

[@christophergongora7885]

Or I’d remake it as is and maybe tweak some scenes to add some shit like how John faverau did lion king and with better cgi if tech is more advanced w a bunch of fans as a passion project and cast these fans if I had the kinda money to throw around as a LOTR community thing

[@jaceyking5015]

I've said it a million times before and I'll say it a million times again: Tolkien's works (particularly _The Hobbit_ ) have been my favorite stories practically since I came out of the womb. NEVER ONCE when I was a little girl, or even a hormonally imbalanced teenage girl did I ever feel underrepresented by there being next to no (and literally none in _The Hobbit_ ) female characters. What these activists are doing is completely and utterly stupid and desecrating to Tolkien's legacy.

[@obeseincelheelvsbabyface4846]

Ew at your subscription list

[@madelinetracy3847]

I’m with you, girl! Great comment. I discovered LOTR as a wide-eyed 11 year old- I saw all the hot guys with long hair in FOTR and was amazed by them and the overwhelming fantasy. Read the books and loved the integrity and intricate world-building. It’s a male-centered story and that never bothered me. How pitiful for some to sell LOTR short because unless they see an EXACT replica of themselves, they can’t emotionally connect to the battle between good and evil. 🙄

[@anaclararodas4833]

Yep, it was the same for me. A good story with compelling characters moves you no matter the gender or age of said characters or your own.

[@Miluielle]

Yes. I was a voracious reader as a child. I read everything from Little Women to Anne of Green Gables to Treasure Island to LOTR to Wind in the Willows and more. How ridiculous it would have been for me as a female to ignore such wonderful stories because I couldn't identify as a mole, rat, toad or badger or because the character was male!!!!! I identified with the characters because of their struggles, their personalities, their adventures and hopes not their gender or appearance. I also watched shows like Monkey (magic) a Japanese tv series that everyone in my childhood loved. We certainly didn't look like them but that never stopped us role playing as kids or caring about the characters.

[@marvin_demon]

Thats because you dont need the same skin color or gender to understand what a character is experiencing. But people nowdays are soooooo narsitic and egocentric.

[@mr_rogersM320]

This is exactly what everyone was afraid of when KZbin removed the dislike count. Now every big company can lie and pretend that something is a success or "highly anticipated" nothing is negative. Only happy thoughts.

[@DirtySouthJR]

Exactly. However, those comment sections sure made clear it wasn't the case tho. Man, the fans standing up to the desicration of their beloved lore in such a fashion brings hope to my heart.

[@arkyudetoo9555]

You can still see the dislike count. There's an add-on that can be downloaded and installed in your browser so that you can see how many disliked a video.

[@BmaGrl]

But, they didn't remove our ability to write comments, so we should just start replying to comments by commenting the word, "Dislike." How painful would it be to see like the word, "Dislike" something like 1000 times in the responding comments?

[@bearonthewall7078]

@@BmaGrl They can disable the comments, though if they did that it's gonna be raising more red flags than if they didn't.

[@kieranschafer5180]

Everybody knew what was coming

[@AlexanderEVtrainer]

Shill Media: "We must be allowed to criticize and change Tolkien's LOTR." Also Shill Media: "You racist fans better not criticize Amazon's LOTR!"

[@valenwood6299]

THEY ARE EVIL . THEY ARE LITERALLY PUSHING A EVIL SINISTER AGENDA . WE MUST UNITE AND CUT THEFE FKJNG HEADS OFF!!!!!!!!!

[@agatainventio9464]

They want control and power

[@n_ex13]

Anti sjw: you can't change anything for monetary gain, when it could potentially give people represtantion Also anti sjw: *ignores that the entire series is probably invented for monetary gain and there is a mobile game that is just milking Tolkien's work for every dollar it's worth, with no regard for changing the story*

[@artur5308]

Can't describe how much I appreciate the way you fight against this abomination of a show, Gary. So proud of the whole fandom as well. This shit has to stop.

[@cosmictreason2242]

That will require adopting a metaphysic that can offer an alternative as well as explaining why what’s being done isn’t working. But that gets into religion, and many people are not comfortable with that, so the wokes stay in control

[@screengraphy]

Yeah, I have never seen a united fandom before. Star Trek was (kinda) one before JJ and Discovery, or Enterprise. I'm proud of being a Tolkienist.

[@leroyrussell8766]

I want him to start a petition asking Amazon Studios to NOT make Mass Effect into a series, which they are planning. I love the original trilogy, and hate in most ways, Andromeda due to the woke agenda it put on display. I am 100% certain they will do the same with Mass Effect. They are once more, going to destroy something I love.

[@iidentifyaspureblood943]

WE WILL NEVER STOP

[@leroyrussell8766]

@@iidentifyaspureblood943 You will never stop destroying everything that's good?

[@gz4395]

You would never hire a white actor to play a role in a show about african heritage and mythology, at the same time you wouldn't put a black actor in a rappresentation about asian culture. But in this case it seems that according to the standards of social justice, a representation of Celtic and Norse culture and heritage such as LOTR is labeled and generalized as "white culture" so it doesnt have to be treated with respect and integrity.

[@Sylmarys24]

Precisely. Its a double standardized bigotry.

[@katiefincher2433]

Well aren't you a racist little fool.

[@iamnotglenn]

😬 most movies about Egypt would disagree with that opening statement.

[@mattiasdahlstrom2024]

@@iamnotglenn Better check the DNA. Cleopatra for example was Greek.

[@MotRi1986]

@@iamnotglenn the problem with Egypt is that for 500 years it was ruled by the descendents of Potlemy the first, one of Alexander the Greats general and friends from his childhood. They where obsessed with keeping the Greek blood clean and siblings marrying with each others where not unheard off. For instance Queen Cleopatra was married to her younger brother and she was also the first one in her line that learned the native Egyptian language. You got to remember that African dosen automatically equals black, especially the natives that live on the North African coast have similar skin tone of someone from southern Italy, Spain and Turkey.

[@amon8579]

At this point Amazon is worse than Sauron himself could ever dream of.

[@jkdbuck7670]

Amazon--->Melkor---->Sauron---->Disco

[@eduardopena5893]

"Tell me Ahmauson old friend, when did you abandon reason for madness?"

[@lilmovieperp3599]

if you're a drama queen, sure

[@TheWatcherxx99]

@@lilmovieperp3599 "Fool of a Took!"

[@jus_sanguinis]

Im 99% sure this TV show will be bad.

[@johndodo2062]

I feel physically ill when I see anything from that show. Every time I think it won't get more nauseating, I am proven incorrect

[@johndodo2062]

This is still incredibly funny anyway right now though

[@jkdbuck7670]

I guess if you swallow something poisonous, I guess you can watch a trailer from this show which will make you upchuck.

[@GeraltofRivia22]

Some people will call you soft or even a snowflake, but I understand how you feel. We are watching our culture be destroyed before our very eyes and there is little we can really do about it.

[@johndodo2062]

@@GeraltofRivia22 yep. Stuff like this is so lazy and pointless. It's one thing if they ruin a little known comic book character, but shifting lotr just to fit liberal narratives should be a crime.

[@djohn1671]

my guess is it'll be a combination of 'fresh prince of the shire' and 'housewives of rivendell'.

[@zartic4life]

Tolkien's work is timeless. Literally my grandparents, my parents, myself, and kids all share the love of his vision. What isn't timeless are currrent political and social climates. Those always age poorly.

[@chuiga2935]

When I watched the shitshow netflix version on Winx, I was like "yeah, these things are not going to age well" as some of things already were aged when it was released. Like stop pushing this world to fantasy world, no one wants to watch that. Timeless movies are called timeless for a reason. There is no 2022 or 2021 pushed in them.

[@n_ex13]

Hahaha the time were Tolkien took a chapter and talked about how female people are able to go onto the battle things and do stuff but should always end up as house wife's aged "very gracefully"

[@charles6952]

@@n_ex13 Can't find that. You may have to reference actual print. If you surmised this from the DC spokesperson than you are fabricating truth.

[@gabrielescaringi9444]

I am allready Sick of it now

[@forsaken7976]

You don’t get it. They are planning to end all other politics. In their minds this will age just fine bc it aligns with what they plan for our future. This culture war is a fight to the death for one side. Just like Aragorn told King Thaoden that the orcs didn’t come to kill their crops and burn their homes, they came to wipe out every single person. The people running Hellyweird come to rewrite our history and destroy our future.

[@blackcaiman9512]

"Evil is not capable of creating anything new, it can only distort and destroy what had been invented or made by the forces of good." - J.R.R.Tolkien

[@kyleellis1825]

With how often this quote is being thrown around, It's ironic at the lack of creativity from our side.

[@tarmairon431]

@@kyleellis1825 Even more ironic: it's a distortion of an actual line from lotr.

[@kyleellis1825]

@@tarmairon431 I know, it was meaningful the first couple days, but now it's just misquoted by the fake fans (who don't understand they are just copying and distorting something made by the forces of good).

[@blackcaiman9512]

@@kyleellis1825 its because Amazon is deleting negative comments, so this quote fits perfectly

[@kyleellis1825]

@@blackcaiman9512 Whoosh.

[@Twinrehz]

"If we had just stayed quiet" I have no intention of remaining quiet when the work of one of one of the greatest authors ever is being modified to suit a narrative that doesn't belong there. *YES* there are a lot of things wrong in the world; is this going to help? I have some sincere doubts about that.

[@giggigidy6998]

I never really envisioned Tolkien as a great author (of course he was) I always considered him a great creator. He spent nearly his entire adulthood creating a complex legendarium for not much more than his own enjoyment.. fandom always seemed secondary. Tolkien was never pleased with any adaptation of his works, I can only imagine what he would think of this tomfoolery.

[@aimokoivunen7046]

Just proves they have nothing of their own and they want to warp and corrupt our things.

[@suissemhabite.2098]

"Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made."

[@vonjunzt4130]

like onion rings?

[@LastFractionZero]

Lol, the most hilariously ironic thing about the Bechdel test is that if the two female characters have a conversation about feminism it fails the test.

[@markustanbeck9149]

Right, because that would be pure Tokenism - it completely goes over the head of Woke-folk who care more about Binary partisanship and being emotionally invested in attacking when they see someone not in their political in-group. Ideological possession. Communism 2.0 - faith in the ideology is more important than examining the truth. Hence why we call Wokeness, Cultural Marxism.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

Does it? Hilarious. How does it fail, though?

[@LastFractionZero]

@@mirceazaharia2094 Attempt to talk about feminist theory without talking about collective concepts of men/masculinity/maleness and using individual men as representative examples to establish those concepts. In the same vein it's essentially impossible for a MRA or MGTOW to avoid talking about collective concepts of women/femininity/femaleness and using individual women as representative examples to establish those concepts. They are all outward focused critiques that fundamentally rely on contrast and comparison.

[@ad_gamer2099]

Lol from what I’ve seen most movies casting a female character mostly the story revolves around female difficulties in society or how they are better them men so I wonder if most of the movie is about that then obviously they will talk mostly about feminism and it is so godawfully disturbing

[@Hamzat22]

So we have Arwen standing her ground against the Nazgul, Galadriel resisting the One Ring, Eowyn headswording the Witch King. But no, the are no good female moments in LotR.

[@sebastianmartinsson8243]

Arwen is barely mentioned in the books though. She was given a much bigger role in the films.

[@paulreid2223]

I bet there's plenty of "ring-stretching" happening ...

[@samaritan_sys]

That Arwen sequence is actually stolen from an Elf in the books named Glorfindel. Incidentally, Glorfindel is the one who made the prophecy that proclaimed the Witch King would not be killed by a man.

[@Bobfett1982]

"Headswording". I'm gonna start using that word. Beautiful

[@Hamzat22]

@@Bobfett1982 please go ahead, its not a trade mark;)

[@ZaraMaBa]

As a Kid, watching LOTR was just a magical experience. I remember, my first VHS I ever owned was LOTR the Fellowship. I adored those movies. They where there when I needed a escape from real life. Frodo was my favorite - I cant really explain it well, but I really could conect to his suffering, his story and the burden in my own way. I LOVE LOTR. I didnt need myself in this universe. I didnt need a fat female as a lead to apreciate and love the books and movies. The story and the character matter to me. They always will. For me, ther will just be no other movies, series or what so ever. I wont watch it. I refuse. This story is way to dear to my heart that I will let greed and narcissm take that from me.

[@winry2357]

I had multiple college professors who used the Bechdel test as something legitimate. It was annoying as heck because most good stories don’t pass the Bechdel test. A big part of the reason to have male and female characters interact in stories is to introduce a romantic element, meaning the male and female must interact and that if the female has female friends, she usually talks to them about the male character because having a friend’s opinion on a guy is important. Even super empowering feminist movies like Miss Congeniality don’t tend to pass the Bechdel test. It’s a stupid test that should be treated like a joke. Bechdel herself thinks it’s a stupid test to tell if a story is good or not.

[@gunkulator1]

The Bechdel test is not a measure of goodness in any sense. As you note, it's impossible to tell a romantic story and pass the test. Does that mean all romance stories are bad? Of course not. The value of the Bechdel test is to take note of our assumptions and biases with regards to gender, especially in comparison to a reversal of gender. LOTR does not pass the test, but if you reversed the genders it would. The same can be said of the majority of non-romantic storytelling from the sci-fi, courtroom dramas, cop shows, comedies, action/adventure - you name it. When we reach for characters to populate these stories, we tend to lean heavily towards male characters. It's a bias, but not a conscious one since I don't think most people are actively sexist. Doesn't make these stories bad but I think we can all agree that gender biases are not a good thing.

[@winry2357]

@@gunkulator1 gender biases don’t really mean anything. Like you said, the Bechdel test doesn’t really tell you anything about a story besides if it has prominent male characters. Men, historically, have lead more adventurous and exciting lives, which tend to make better stories. Women, historically, were less likely to even learn to read and write, let alone leave the home and go on adventures. It makes sense that many stories feature male characters. I want to know what exactly is wrong with talking about male characters in stories? Especially if they’re main characters, it just makes sense in a story. As someone who writes on the side, it’s really difficult to write scenes, let alone full stories, where men aren’t present or even discussed. Maybe it’s just because I enjoy having male characters in my stories, maybe it’s because men are easier for me to relate to. I didn’t have many female friends growing up and I always found them to be catty drama queens. They were always talking about guys too. Most of my stories with just me an my female friends wouldn’t even pass the Bechdel test. Men tend to be more entertaining in my mind anyway. Doesn’t make me sexist, just opinionated.

[@AntediluvianRomance]

How the hell did it even turn from a "female representation" test into a "goodness" test?

[@winry2357]

@@AntediluvianRomance I guess I worded it poorly, but many people, “feminists” insist that if the female representation isn’t perfect, then it can’t be good. It’s how we end up with crap stories and Mary Sues.

[@AntediluvianRomance]

@@winry2357 Sorry, I'm just being shocked about this. Can't fathom the logic of these people... Oh, maybe that's because they have none. I feel like oftentimes people go into narrative art studies because they are good at talking and not necessarily good at thinking for themselves. (There were already so many stupid things I saw during my Master's in literature gig... And our folks hadn't even developed a gender study angle at that point. That would produce so much more useless bullcrap.) Like... why? Why?

[@Xanlet]

Imagine taking the greatest book trilogy of all time which was adapted into the greatest film trilogy of all time, imagine taking that IP and saying "There are aspects of this which are deeply flawed so I'm going to fundamentally change parts of it!". The hubris, arrogance, and unabashed ego is astonishing.

[@terrencegaikowski4083]

I'm not astonished at all. This is what a cabal of narcissistic malcontents produce. They are sad and angry and hate the world.

[@chrischambers2537]

Well said 👏 👌

[@societopathyobserved9785]

“A story about war has a gender disparity?! WHAT?!” alternatively “Why do these women at war only talk about men?”

[@zimfan101]

After the way Amazon totally destroyed and disgraced Robert Jordan's 'Wheel of Time', I am so glad to see Tolkien fans stand up and and voice their disappointment in what is being done!! This 'reimagining' of classic works of art needs to stop!!!!

[@gailbresser2023]

I couldn't make it through the first episode of WoT. I was like "WTH is going on here?"

[@Adanu191]

Always hilarious watching the Bookcloaks go on meltdowns for fairly decent adaptations.

[@johnbunceiii2668]

@@Adanu191 Are you saying the "Wheel of time" series on Amazon is a good adaptation? It's utter shit. Pure, unadulterated, contrived, shit.

[@CaraesNaur]

WoT got off relatively unscathed compared to the disservice shown in a single tRoP trailer.

[@Adanu191]

@@johnbunceiii2668 I entirely disagree, but honestly the fanbase has been broken over this since the start of it, so I'm not expecting Bookcloaks like yourself to start being reasonable. Have fun hatewatching or whatever it is you do.

[@NerdWorldEmpire]

I watched a video by ‘The Authentic Observer’ and she talked about rings of power and pointed out how it’s sexist to make Galadriel a warrior. She explained her point really well. Basically changing her to be more masculine is like saying for a woman to be important she can’t be a woman she needs to be more like a man, it was an interesting point of view.

[@jeandiatasmith4512]

While claiming to support women and destroy the patriarchy - the left is actively destroying women and supporting the patriarchy. The evidence is all around us if we're willing to see it. Up is down, lies are truth to these people.

[@tkps]

It makes sense. Seeing 100 pound soaking wet women beating up 6 foot 2 blokes is not something the vast majority of men or women want to see. There's suspending disbelief & there's downright ridiculous and that's where they keep going wrong. Women are strong in ways that are not physical and we all know it. What makes me laugh is most of the far left type women that produce this nonsense all act like damsels in distress IRL. Instead of standing up for themselves they cry victim or only mouth off on a phone camera or if they have a screamiing pack behind them. Normal women expect better.

[@markustanbeck9149]

Yeah, that was a great video !

[@secretlythreeducksinamansu3546]

Yes, she was using Galadriel as a key example to illustrate her main point that a great deal of modern 'feminism' and especially American feminism centered around denying and disparaging the feminine. Galadriel in LotR is explicitly feminine. She is soft spoken, delicate and beautiful. Know what else she is? EXTREEMLY FUCKING POWERFUL. She's enchanting, she commands any space she occupies without even trying, legitimately the books illustrate how there are members of the fellowship who struggle to even meet her eyes. You think this piss and vinegar 'warrior Galadriel' fanfiction Amazon are writing about could do that? No, because she's not Galadriel, she's Aragon, but watered down.

[@killeryhiltons8499]

Reminds of the idiot from dune playing Jessica lol .

[@Gauge213666]

I'm still very pissed KZbin hid the dislike count. Total BS.

[@moggiosven]

It pisses me off to no end when these “journalists” refer to LotR as ‘allegory’. Listen to Tolkien himself. He DETESTED allegory!!

[@dimitriwarchief301]

“ BUT HIS A WHIIIIIITE PRIVALGED MMMMMAAAAAAALE AAAAAAAAA REEEEEEEE”

[@Carabas72]

Tolkien: I hate allegories. Also Tolkien: The Shire is totally an allegory for the English countryside.

[@kennyg1358]

@@Carabas72 no it's not. It is influenced by it but that is not what an allegory is.

[@Matt42MSG]

Well, he cordially disliked it. But he repeatedly pointed out that his novels weren't allegorical.

[@n_ex13]

Do you actually know the context of that quote?

[@shaunk6822]

The best thing to do to Amazon is pay them the greatest insult we can, and that is to ignore them.

[@uncledoctor6920]

Vote with your wallet in other words. I cut them out ever since they started up with that digital book burning nonsense a couple years ago.

[@gman4072]

It's so sad what these activists do to the movie industry. They fail to realize that equality was balanced when it was not forcefully introduced into everything. Imagine Blade being white, Aquaman being black. Even better, imagine telling a story about Marie Curie and have her represented by an asian actress. The moment you change the representation from a story, you are telling a different story

[@n_ex13]

I fully agree, like they could take a book out of SW ot

[@ForgetTheCat]

Why we have all this destructive tendencies in movie industry? Because of hate. And thats why KZbin hides dislikes, deletes comments and colourful flags is everywhere... So "they" thinking it works and its okay. Unimaginable... really. I cant f∆ckin believe. Love to rewatch old HBO series like Sopranos or House M.D., for example. No diversity crap, cool stories. I mean, there is diversity, but now and from current point of view you really CAN and LOVE watch it. May be im broken, who knows. Lol

[@lizknauel8727]

Several years ago, these same folks screamed to hell and back again when their “art” was set for changes to omit words and or scenes deemed too racy. “This is our creation, our art! How dare you! If it offends you don’t buy it!” Now they are changing something that offends them. Folks you don’t like Lord of the Rings, write your own fantasy story. Dint corrupt mine!

[@boobah5643]

Ah, yes. That _is_ a good point. It's illegal to pay someone else to re-edit a movie for you (while paying the original creator for the whole thing) but it's just fine for 'adaptations' or 'remakes' to completely change everything about a story. Which is fine, but it really cuts the heart out of the moral outrage, doesn't it?

[@claypidgeon4807]

They’re talentless dregs and nobody would read it. Also, they’re political cultists who fly into a rage when they see people enjoying a thing that doesn’t involve their propaganda.

[@harbl99]

They don't want to make something new; they want to ruin what you love. There are too many examples now for it not to be a deliberate pattern.

[@SuperDoggy99]

If any fan base is going to have the numbers and clout to openly reject an awful modernization of the IP they adore, it's going to be the LoTR nerds, whose love of Tolkien's world goes back decades. Not only that, but LoTR is akin to history/mythology, in that its stories are very well known, and any tampering of them will be met with a public outcry of "No! Fuck off!"

[@davida6146]

Amazon is raising their subscription prices in Canada and they sent an email explaining how it'll improve services and go towards projects like LOTR: Ring of Power.... they lost me at that. I'll be ending my subscription in July before it renews. Bye Amazon 👋

[@cherryfrost5249]

Altering the past to fit "modern sensibilities" is equivalent to book burning imho. These people are truly insane with power and ignorance.

[@ajmaloleary3553]

On the nose

[@rosie_gamgee]

Great video, it was nice to see disparu and european lore included as well. RoP has accomplished one thing; it's united so many fans-not just of LotR, but fans of all original IPs- to stand up against bad adaptations. Star Wars couldn't do it, nor could Doctor Who or Wheel of Time. Well done (?) Rings of Power

[@evilzilla4053]

they will still make season after season cause jeff has lots of money or cause he already spent alot of money

[@lukewalken1316]

@@evilzilla4053 they will rape and ravish the hobbit and original LOTR if they get their woke hands on it

[@Balandrus]

I skipped the Amazon WoT series. I knew it was going to be awful from the casting choices, and the virtue signaling from the show runner. It was obvious they either didn't understand the world, or didn't care. I'm leaning towards a mix, with a heavier weight on not caring.

[@evilzilla4053]

@@Balandrus they dont care i watched some of it glad i wasnt a big fan of wot feel bad for the fans of that series though

[@Balandrus]

@@evilzilla4053 that's what I gathered, from what I've seen of it. It's just the current trend to subvert European stories, while saying white people don't have cultures.

[@TheGrayStage]

I just love the way you’re able to articulate what a lot of us are thinking. And somehow you’re able to do it respectfully and with humor.

[@Aftermath-ye4db]

The people who took the Bechdel Test joke and made it into a serious checklist, are just like people who took the Necronomicron from Lovecraft's story and swore it was a real book

[@jarrakis4834]

Haha nice

[@michaeltritle6049]

The woke brigade have destroyed everything I loved as a kid. They ruined Dr Who They ruined Star Wars They ruined Star Trek They ruined Terminator They ruined The Matrix They ruined Bill and Ted They ruined Marvel They ruined DC They ruined James Bond And now they are trying to ruin LOTR. It's all I've got left. It destroys me inside, to watch these characters and stories that got me through some of the toughest times in my life, be treated with such callous disrespect. All to score some woke points with people that will STILL find a way to be "offended" anyways. 😢

[@eirikarnesen9691]

they will destroy much mopre than just out stories. civilization in itself is collapsing.

[@Richdevens4]

They got "Foundation" as well. Made it two episodes. Bill & Ted? Really? Maybe I should go back and watch that original!

[@senabecool7232]

They haven't ruin any CN or Disney channel show....... Never mind

[@MrJoshcc600]

I don't see how most those are destroyed as you say...

[@MW-do6cl]

thats the point, they want it ruined

[@neilmamba8070]

Imagine watching to escape to a fantasy world that feels like a completely different time and a different reality, then you find out that they are trying to update it to suit the “modern” times. 🤦🏾‍♂️

[@n_ex13]

Well they already did that in the trilogy of lotr movies and it's the only change I like On the other hand they are probably gonna mess it up so terrible that they are gonna write hyper shallow woman that can't do anything wrong

[@grabblerfatigue9378]

What they did to The Wheel of Time, another great story, was pure vandalism and a bellwether of what's to come with future productions. They were pretty open about their intent throughout production, via blogs, tweets, media statements etc. "The Shadow that bred them can only mock, it cannot make: not real new things of its own." None of this is surprising. These people are who and what they are. "Get woke go broke" is a cute little saying, but it's utterly meaningless in a media landscape run by money clowns pushing ESG over profit.

[@MM-nd1zz]

WoT was cringe, couldn’t watch more than 15 minutes. The cast and actors looked more like a London or New York subway, not WoT.

[@Edgar-Friendly]

The wokies just need to make companies non-profit. So long as they can break even like an NGO, THE MESSAGE continues. This cultural marxism is a proselytizing religion and must face a scorched earth policy.

[@Darthalas]

You realize that there are whole races of black people in the wheel of time right? Like talking didn't it go into detail about colors of people the way Robert Jordan did and he explicitly points out that there are full nations that are black....

[@jeandiatasmith4512]

​@@DarthalasAnd when you know that WoT is already fully diverse, with plenty of strong female characters - then don't you question why any showrunner would feel the need to infuse any wokeness at all? Perrin married? Matt coming from a broken family - when it's explicit in the books that there were 2 families that were a mess....and neither were Matt's? Many races and accents in a backwater village that rarely sees outsiders? Nothing made any sense at all, nor did it improve on the original material. If this is the story they wanted to tell - then create that world and write it themselves. Stop destroying things that people love because you don't like them.

[@Darthalas]

@@jeandiatasmith4512 I'm sorry, I read all of the books, including what Brandon Sanderson finished... Are you saying you had a problem with Perrin being married? Can you describe to me what Mat's family was like? I don't recall him being from some nuclear Brady bunch family... I'm glad you at least understand that there's diversity within those books, I literally have had super fans screaming at me telling me that in all of Robert Jordan's books there are no black people And actually had to turn to pages in multiple books where skin tones and features were described in detail... The thing about JRR Tolkien's works is that he often didn't go into such detail so all of these people belly aching makes no sense to me And have you not actually experienced the world in any way shape or form? You do realize there are small black water villages that don't see very many outsiders in Africa,South America, and throughout Asia And yet the people in these villages speak a multitude of languages and have a wide range of skin colors... Don't be angry because your view of something doesn't align with other people's view. As I have pointed out multiple times, 90% of the people in these comments are calling themselves super fans and are angry about what they're seeing because they have a certain image built up, even the man that posted the video complained about galadriel being depicted as a warrior, as though JRR Tolkien didn't write her as seeking to rule a kingdom of her own (That is why she went to Middle Earth remember?) No I don't agree with adding people for people's sake, but JRR Tolkien did not say there were not black dwarfs and I hate to break it to people but he also wrote about compelling women such as Lúthien. JRR Tolkien never said that all of the male elves have long hair or even pointy ears but that is what the perception is and that is what is accepted and what people have seen in the movie. Just because you have a glorified view of something does not mean it is right. Those are the people that I am commenting on.... Criticize the implementation, the acting, poor storytelling, the set pieces... That is not what these people are doing, they are criticizing something because they are seeing people that don't look like them being depicted in something they like and they're losing their minds and trying to pretend they're not racist idiots.

[@StandTheOffensive]

The Lord of the Rings fans are awesome! I wish more fandoms were like them. I was never really that big into Lord of the Rings, however their passion makes me want to be a Lord of the Rings/Tolkien fan.

[@MarrsAttax]

Welcome

[@Randomov7xx]

Welcome

[@asarishepard8171]

come to our fandom, we wont call you bigot or istaphobes!

[@chazzmccloud36]

Do it!

[@CnoacdeTara]

Reading The Lord of The Rings at least twice in a lifetime should be mandatory XD And The Hobbit and The Silmarillion and... XD And a Peter's Jackson LOTR trilogy session twice a year XD (preferably the extended version) XD

[@Brie_Larsons_Big_Toe_Ron]

The LOTR trilogy have been my favorite movies of all time my entire life. I’ve watched them an uncountable amount of times in my life and it never gets old. And never have I ever, as 22 year old female, wished there was more female representation that I could identify with. It doesn’t make sense to me. All the females in those movies are amazing in their own way. Galadriel is one of the most powerful beings in middle earth and has one of the most goosebumps inducing presence I’ve ever seen in a film. Arwen is not a warrior but she is steadfastly loyal to those she loves and is willing to give up everything for them. Also she convinces Elrond to reforge narsil. Eowyn is a friggin hero willing to fight and die for motives that are not to be mistaken for just intersectional feminism.

[@jwstrock22]

Years ago I wrote a fanfiction. Some reviewer called me out for having too many scenes that didn't pass the Bechdel test. These morons feel the need to inject their special brand of wokeness into absolutely everything, no matter if it's a classic work of fiction or just some college kid's writing hobby.

[@JohnArden4444]

That's really bad, I hope they don't use it everytime I write Monster stories

[@mirceazaharia2094]

I already know that my works-in-progress won't pass the Bech-whatever test. And I don't care. They can cram their purity test where the sun don't shine.

[@petriew2018]

next time just tell them 'oh, that must mean it's good then'

[@robinlillian9471]

The Bechdel test was originally written as a joke. Typical Woke that can't even attempt to write their own fan fiction, but instead have to attack beginners for trying it.

[@Kiyoone]

Bechdel test? What that is not even a "test" JESUS CHRIST that is a "condition" established by an lesbian cartoon writer

[@Mcfctreble23]

Amazon will be shitting bricks right now. They never could never have imagined the grief they’re getting.

[@lilmovieperp3599]

they really don't care, but by all means keep making up scenes in your head of the workings of a multi-billion dollar company lol

[@bry8636]

@@lilmovieperp3599 Sure, they only shelled out a billion dollars for a single season and are scrambling for the rights to all of Tolkien’s works because ‘they don’t care’. Keep on thinking you know what’s going on in the mind of a multi billion dollar company. I’ll stick to the the reality of the moves they’re actually making and infer from there.

[@RoberttAvro]

Doesn't matter what they do, like the Oscars, millions who watched before won't be watching.

[@mitchellarochelle3639]

Nah it still gets views and people will watch to meme it its sold they make money still despite shit it is

[@lilmovieperp3599]

@@bry8636 you guys aren't the real fans tho, so they don't care what a group of "anti-sjw's" have to say about having black elves. thanks for letting me clarify.

[@topaz_climber]

Remember, Peter Jackson gave Arwen a more prominent role in the films than she had in the books. Those changes were excellent, especially the flight to the ford. If there’s a problem, it’s not with the desire to increase diversity or make female characters more compelling, it’s just in the ability to handle these things with skill!

[@KeldorDAntrell]

@@Peter-ff1tp show me where Tolkien said that. I defy you. More Arwen was added because of feminism. It was a thing long before 2019. Do you even hear yourself? If Tolkien wanted more Arwen in his story he would have *SIMPLY* ADDED MORE! He took eleven years to write the story and then, in his words, went over it again. He made damn sure it was right. No one was holding a stopwatch on him. He wasn't under contract to anyone to get it finished by a certain date. He took as long as he wanted.

[@KeldorDAntrell]

Why do you assert that the changes that Jackson made to *TOLKIEN'S* story - in making Arwen more prominent - were excellent, (sic.) "especially the flight to the ford"? All the changes were *SHIT* and an insult to Tolkien. Every change was literally Jackson claiming to know how to write a better story than Tolkien. What did seeing Arwen on a horse at the race to the ford actually add? Did we not have enough characters on horseback? Arwen was just another one. Did it increase the tension that Frodo might get caught or did it just detract from him with a needless extra chase? Did it add to the sense of danger that Frodo was in or did it lessen it because several of them were chasing Arwen? Seriously, what possible argument can you have other than that you're a sexist whose film experience is decreased if there are no women in the shot? Do you have no respect for Tolkien? Perhaps it was the added magic (of which Tolkien obviously wouldn't have approved) when Arwen mumbled some words that the audience couldn't possibly understand (which might have made the scene "excellent") but then surely this only served to *DETRACT* from Gandalf's part in the dissolution of the Nine, clearly implying that it was Arwen that had done this (not Elrond with a touch of style by Gandalf)? The problem *is* with the desire to increase diversity or make female characters more compelling precisely because they have placed agenda ahead of story. This is one of the single most important points Gary and his ilk have been making for years now. The only people wanting diversity and "more compelling female characters" are talentless birdbrains which is *WHY* they don't handle these things with skill. Jackson failed with Arwen because he only added her extra parts because of agenda (and he's talentless enough in his own right).

[@samaritan_sys]

Actually not only did the Arwen sequence steel an important male Elf’s role in the story (Glorfindel), but appropriated a moment of heroism that originally belonged to Frodo. In the book, it was he that drew his sword and dared the Nazghul to come get him, and the work of Elrond and Gandalf that flooded the river. Arwen was competently implemented, though unnecessary.

[@topaz_climber]

@@KeldorDAntrell And yet the point remains, Arwen is the books is a weak character who needs some set up in the movie, and the flight to the ford was an elegant way to give her character meaning. It was a reasonable and proportionate way to improve Tolkein's work for the big screen in 2000.

[@topaz_climber]

@@samaritan_sys Fair play for being open about the fact that it's Glorfindel's maleness that you're offended for. Sure, Glorfindel is important in the wider world building of Middle Earth, but the movie doesn't have the time to explore his character... but the story does need Arwen to be someone of note - arguably a flaw in Tolkein's story. I suggest that it's reasonable to make this considered change, to improve the story and to create a more modern and less passive female character.

[@especiallythemtho]

The bechdal test is an absurd joke. any scene in any film, HAS to relate to other characters or it isn't linked to the main plot, and the main themes. It's like saying you need one part of a train track that is separate from the main track, just because. If scenes, lines, and characters dont relate to the film as a whole, then it is a bad scene. unless of course, the cast is 100% female.

[@katrose5179]

I feel like the idea it’s meant to represent-and fails at-is that women characters should be well-rounded and not merely beings defined by who their fathers, brothers, sons, or love interests are. Yet one of the best books that stars women is Pride and Prejudice and a lot of the book involved talking about men. “Hey don’t write poorly-developed characters of either sex” is a much harder test rule to market, I guess.

[@Nevir202]

It's literally a test invented to call any single perspective, male MC work sexist. MC is, as the name suggests the MAIN character, and if they are also the perspective character, everything not only revolves around them, but is told from their perspective. If you are telling your own story, of what relevance is two people, having a conversation that doesn't involve you?

[@TrueFork]

I derive great fun from pointing out anime series that pass the Bechdel test with flying colors but they still hate because of the fanservice, like Queen's Blade or Vivid Red

[@fellowshipculture4982]

The Bechdal test was from a comic strip in the 80's i think which Bechdal has said later on it was a complete JOKE but hollywood hijacked it as an legitimate thing to corrupt everything going forward even though everything that it touches for the most part is awful.

[@njkoch]

I am going to be honest when saying this. Thank You! I had the same opinion as you and your FNT co hosts for a long time about Hollywood and media in general. It wasn't until recently that I discovered your channel. I am so glad that I did. I really thought that I was alone in feeling this way about what they are doing to our franchises. Thank You again and I look forward to FNT every week. PS. Bad Reboot and its disciples can piss off.

[@RangerMcFriendly]

Disciples? Lol, stealing that! I have been calling them cultists.

[@marcuscato9083]

As Morpheus said to Neo: “welcome to the real world.”

[@njkoch]

@@RangerMcFriendly Please use it. I think it is apt. In there own minds they are a Messiah.

[@idjtoal]

It's happening to all the popular stories, everything that's a part of the recent culture. Infiltrate, subvert, demoralize... and Stargate is the latest target. Look up the 45 Goals that were read into the Congressional Record in 1963, it's been a decades-long campaign.

[@Arcexey]

@@RangerMcFriendly Personally I like 'goons.'

[@Bruh-vs1qv]

When I was kid I identified with green mutant turtles. What the hell happened to this world???

[@Letheanscheme]

At this point, I don't see any benefit to "giving RoP a fair chance" and watching before judging. I already know that it has twisted the material in a way that disgusts me, and no amount of cool cgi monsters will compensate. The only power I have left is to BOYCOTT the series...I'd rather crawl through Mordor than give Amazon an extra view count for their ratings.

[@deespaeth8180]

I completely agree. Boycott, baby, boycott.

[@Shrouded_reaper]

The worst part is that no matter how many refuse to watch it, Amazon will stick it at the top of the most popular list, get rave reviews from """critics""" and claim it was a stunning success.

[@bry8636]

@@Shrouded_reaper Yea, but it will be the same disparity we see with rotten tomatoes, with critics scores at 90% and audience scores at 10%. People are seeing past the emperors curtain now to what is. So the gaslighting is less and less effective.

[@petriew2018]

'giving it a chance' only applies BEFORE the production company goes on a smear campaign against it's critics instead of simply releasing more footage that would prove them wrong...

[@mirceazaharia2094]

I'm not even going to pirate it. Only pirate good or fun things. Morbius may not be good, but it does look fun at least.

[@miguelgonzalezgarcia9488]

Amazon seem to have forgotten that the main enemy of a franchaise is not the rage of the fans but their apathy. Most groups of friends should and will have the resident nerd steering people away from this "abomination". And shepard the normies into the good movies and the books we should. Is not much, but is honest work.

[@johnnysweets82]

I live in New Zealand, ive been to many of the film locations, been pig hunting with Brett Beatie Gimlis stunt double, won a gollum impression radio contest and met the cast whilst walkin the first part of the red carpet at the ROTK premiere in Wellington and have met many people that acted in and worked on the movies. They ALL had a comon theme , they were honoured and felt PRESSURE to bring Tolkiens story to life. They were fans, from director to the catering crew. I really dont understand why any true fan would disrespect the author in such a flagrant and arrogant way.

[@CagedSUPERMAN]

The Ringwraith screech was absolutely perfect

[@Nevir202]

Bechdel is literally a test invented to call any single perspective, male MC work sexist. MC is, as the name suggests the MAIN character, and if they are also the perspective character, everything not only revolves around them, but is told from their perspective. If you are telling your own story, of what relevance is two people, having a conversation that doesn't involve you?

[@Hypernefelos]

Yeah, that's one reason why it's hopelessly flawed in anything but a statistical way.

[@amyb.6368]

Usually only in relation to the male characters?? okay, so let's forget Galadriel is probably the most powerful woman if not the most powerful elf on Middle Earth, that Eowyn killed a Black Rider that it was prophesized no MAN could kill, and Arwen...okay, yes, she was just marriage material for Aragorn, that was true in the original, BUT the movies showed something I think is actually very important for feminism: the female role/strengths in family relationships and in ruling a kingdom. She was Aragorn's rock and hinted to be one of his main reasons for taking on the kingship and not effing off back to the woods after Sauron was defeated (in the movies, at any rate). If that's not a powerful showing of women, I don't know what to tell you.

[@_.Jon._]

The only thing I just cannot wrap my head around is why a company as successful as Amazon would acquiesce to what is obviously a minority of people who live and breathe this woke crap. I don't think for a second that the people in charge at Amazon actually care about it themselves (they care about profit), but for whatever reason they vastly, vastly overestimate the percentage of the population who do. My only guess is that they're constantly surrounded by these people, being HQ'd in Seattle, so that's why they overestimate them. But...wouldn't that perception be overcome if they were to do basic consumer research using, you know, normal people? I really don't get it.

[@ninjaturtlefan2003]

When you have as much money as these people, it becomes meaningless. They are trying to find true worth in all the wrong places.

[@josedavidcozarortiz153]

I wonder that as well. Why the hell they keep wasting money in non profit crap. I think you have a point, they are in a bubble where this woke ideas are on the top, and they cant manage to see what the rest of the world sees. It is a little bit psychotic if you think about it.

[@tkps]

You hit the nail on the head. Market research (not via Twitter). I think the issue is far lefties infiltrate via marketing & HR. They seem to gravitate to those jobs then get their mates in via that route. Amazon has it's own customers & they know their watching habits. It would be easy enough to survey them. i.e. if we make LOTR would you accept X changes yes/no or prefer the status quo yes/no. Easy done. But if I'm right about marketing staff they will ignore what they don't want to hear which is why bosses outside that dept. need to be keeping a closer eye to find out what's what.

[@tobynhiatt2381]

@@hendrikscheepers4144 that’s what I was about it say. They aren’t really even in it for the money anymore and you can tell. They are literally forcing a narrative and a “way of thinking” on an entire generation/culture. And they’ll probably still make a lot of money from this.

[@earlofdrumer1851]

I've said this for years. The only conclusions are: 1) Its not about profit, it's all about ideology and politics. 2) Normal people never get polled for anything. 3) Those that would stand against such bizaare company actions are bullied/threatened into either silence of submission. 4) Good is now Evil and Evil is now Good!?

[@eddiebanks3583]

I’m looking forward to them all 4 seasons! Not actually to watch them but when they fail it’ll lose the studios millions and send the message we are against “the message”

[@MattHatter360]

But they never learn, they never have and sadly it got to the point where I consider it a delusion to think they ever will

[@darth3261]

The woke labor to create division and hate and not for immediate monetary profit. Everything is going according to plan.

[@MrVitalic85]

@@MattHatter360 they will eventually run out of original ip to tarnish, then they will have to create their own and fail again. Sooner or later we will be out of this misery. I rented Matrix 4 last weekend…. Omg what a train-wreck, will never watch again and do my best to erase this movie from my memory. Its basically a fan fiction ‘direct to dvd’ piece of trash.

[@MattHatter360]

@@MrVitalic85 Well I ran out of unruined IPs to like already so rip me I guess

[@adrianrocha49]

Trust me, it's not going past three.

[@KapnRich]

I still can't get over the wild leaps in logic these days: "This is failing because you don't like it and that's your fault!" Umm no that's not how it works. This is literally the free market at work, if people like something they spend money, if not they don't, it's that simple! You cannot force people to buy into something they don't like, if your product isn't well received then that's on you NOT the customer!

[@jennyjustjenny7634]

Time to rewatch Lord of the Rings for the thrid time this year. It's basically my medicine after every video session about Rings of Power, cause otherwise I would go crazy.

[@Jeromad]

Sounds like a time consuming medicine, but well worth it.

[@jennyjustjenny7634]

@@Jeromad There's plenty of time when there are no new films or series that you can watch without being bombarded with identity politics. 😅 There's no way to spend time better.

[@Jeromad]

@@jennyjustjenny7634 You're so right there Jenny, can't agree with you more! Actually I might watch the blu rays myself again this weekend 😉

[@jennyjustjenny7634]

@@Jeromad That's a good decision. 😊

[@BlueBeastNitroChiral]

"The world of men will fall" - One quote they took to heart.

[@DirtySouthJR]

White men *

[@randomname3535]

@@DirtySouthJR straight white men*

[@gabrielsegura2103]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@donavandwelch]

Amazon is to Tolkien, what Kathleen Kennedy was to star wars.

[@Duncangafney1]

I'm 50 years old, I first read the hobbit when I was 8 and then first read LOTR when I was about 10. I own 3 copies of the Hobbit, including the illustrated and annotated one, 3 copies of LOTR, including the hardback box set, 2 copies of the Silmarillion, including the hardback version, as well as nearly all the additional works Christopher Tolkein kindly put together for the real fans. I've read each book at least 10 times and usually pull LOTR out once every 1-2 years and read it from cover to cover. There is a reason Tolkein is the father of high fantasy and why the book at least here in the UK was voted the greatest book of the 20th century in a nationwide poll. It won by a country mile, the vote wasn't even close. But for me the most telling things are JRR and Christophers words themselves, no interpreted etc and we all know that there is no way this abomination would have been made whilst Christopher (RIP) was still alive, there is no way the Tolkein estate would have sold any rights to Amazon whilst Christopher was in control. That and his comments about the Hobbit trilogy of films (which in my opinion is god awful) says it all. Amazon are not adapting LOTR, they are trying to destroy it and turn in into some kind of woke propaganda and I for one will NEVER pay them a single solitary penny for anything to do with it. I will never watch it, same as having watched 20mins of their wokeified Wheel of Time, I will never watch anymore. If Hollywierd or TV studios want any more money from me, they can do one thing. Stop creating propganda, it's not entertainment and nobody except the woke muppets want to watch it. Why do they think the viewing figures for everything woke are going through the floor. People are sick of it.

[@lordhelwintr283]

I love wheel of time but when I heard it was being made into a show it made me sad. I know they will change all the women into lesbians and effinists.

[@Duncangafney1]

@@lordhelwintr283 I watched about 20 mins of episode 1, before switching off in disgust. We had race swapping, black and brown people in the two rivers. We had them changing the way the one power worked, we had Aes sedai lying. It was just a total and utter POS, you didn;t miss anything.

[@OzyWazza]

Amazon: "The Deletions Will Continue Until Your Inner Wokeness Improves" Thank you Nerdrotic and Co. for providing further evidence as to why we should all boycott this rancid dumpster-fire of a series into oblivion!

[@jetj67]

How do you remember to breath?!!

[@OzyWazza]

@@jetj67 ??

[@joelscb]

@@OzyWazza because youre so mad at made up scenarios in your head. The only ones are angry are people like you who unironically use woke as an insult. Lol

[@Hiihtopipa]

Lol that is an Exodus (the band) Easter egg. But in Exodus words it's "The Beatings will continue until morale improves"

[@OzyWazza]

@@Hiihtopipa Thought it appropriate for the situation 😄

[@joemama114]

No human woman on this planet consciously decided to have a conversation where they are intentionally refusing to talk about men. They talk about things that interest them and people they know who are in their environment. Nobody personally chooses to curtail their own conversations in such an odd way.

[@WayneLyons]

Here's an idea. If the characters portrayed in a story do not align with your own unique experience of existence and this makes it difficult for you to relate to them, and the attitudes and values represented in that story offend you, maybe that story is not for you and you should just find other stories that you can enjoy, maybe even write your own stories.

[@AITreeBranches]

I know, right? There was something called genres, if you didn't liked one that didn't gave you the right to modify anything to please you.

[@Koffinfikill]

the problem for these big companies when not having every single character being relatable makes them think they're losing out on potential profits, which in my opinion is the worst way you can make any kind of content i.e. only thinking about potential financial gain and not putting out a good story for people to enjoy. And also I think if you were to put people you don't see yourself in into movies that you really like and that said person has quality traits in society then you perhaps as a human being try to mimic those traits and possibly try to become a better person to align more with said person in your favorite movie, but if your favorite character in your favorite movie/show is exactly like you then you yourself will have no alterations and may still carry your bad traits and personalities which are seen as bad to other people. I'm not saying though that if you are very similar to the person in your favorite movie already that you have bad traits and personality but it would be less likely that you would notice them and make the change in behaviour to be a better person. That is also why a lot of people who get into bad company tend to become bad company because they alter their behaviour towards people the look to be like (even when they don't notice said person has bad societal traits and behaviours) I'm all for different ethnicites in movies and shows but when it comes to said ethnicity being in the show/movie purely for political and leftist appraisal then it ruins the storytelling and drives the immersion away by not fitting into the narrative and athmosphere, like having a black person in a movie about vikings or a white person about the qing dynasty in china, it just sticks out and doesn't fit with the source material but enough of my venting with due regards. Jón.

[@AITreeBranches]

@@Koffinfikill I thank you for your existence, if you watch the news and everything that is created today you will have the impression that everyone downgraded to the lowest iq of human kind, almost retarded if you ask me, but seeing that people like you are still out there, gives me hope, I agree with you 100%, having no role models with a high level of morality and intelligence makes this woke madness a real threat for any next generations.

[@gobihoukou1]

I remember one meme from before this craziness hit. It went something like: "In the whole LOTR trilogy, there isn't a scene of two women talking to each other! And that is how it was saved from being a disaster."

[@thijs6264]

This world has gone mad and I am fucking sick of it. At least you have the true fans of Tolkien who will defend his work, that's really a nice thought💪🏻

[@ScotsThinker]

Regardless of what Amazon does, Tolkien's Story and Jackson's Film Trilogy remain as cultural classics. May more people learn of what makes for inspiring stories (and may more people realise Women like Frans Walsh adore these cultural classics as well).

[@Subninja2012]

They’ll never destroy Lord of the Rings no matter how hard they try. They’ll all just look foolish and reveal their weak willed, skewed world view. That and lose a lot of money.

[@tkps]

Losing a fortune is the only reward they deserve for this. Refusing to watch it is the loud & clear message we should all be sending. They've been warned.

[@mirceazaharia2094]

But for that, the normie fence sitters must see that the wokeists are wrong, and that their critics are right. When they lose the toleration of the fence sitters, then they are UNDONE.

[@jaygolden357]

🎉Big Fan ❤,What I hate about Big Cooperates adapting Fantastic Fiction and stories is they Defile the magic of the art piece

[@blakeellis7417]

At least we have Peter Jackson’s masterpiece movie trilogy. And they can never take that away

[@danielcarrilho5217]

@Anon Anon They cant stop torrenting

[@blakeellis7417]

They won’t do nothing to my copies that I own lol

[@VictorAxelsson]

Thank you for making this video. I’m very proud of everyone standing up against this crap.

[@joshuacsonka9150]

You are doing Tolkien’s work on this channel. You voice the concerns that so many of us have, but we just do not have the influence to bring it to light.

[@MaD0MaT]

They behave like there was no social media at all and we all been on their mercy to consume even the worst garbage and not speak back. They forgot that that's not how the real world works. I only hope that this abomination won't make any money. That it will be one of the worst rated shows in modern history. And it will be judging by the fact that they choose their own racism over story.

[@heraldofwar]

Even if the dislikes are not being removed the fans are still upset with Amazons abomination of LOTR. Just wait until the first episode then they are going to see the real backlash!

[@lilmovieperp3599]

what if it's good?

[@breyvbienfu2728]

@@lilmovieperp3599 nope lol

[@bry8636]

@@lilmovieperp3599 that flew out the window as soon as they said Galadriel was ‘full of piss and vinegar’. Not a snowball’s chance in hell.

[@applejuices]

@@bry8636 wait what?

[@bry8636]

@@applejuices either the show runner or one of the writers described their Galadriel, as in Amazon’s Galadriel, as full of piss and vinegar in a Vanity Fair article.

[@tonyclark2020]

That Ringwraith edit was the best!!

[@georgestauber2636]

This is the exact reason why tolerance and "live and let live" is not a good thing. You end up with Rings of power eventually and worse.

[@AndrewEvenstar]

Gotta agree

[@jonsnowight9510]

Libertarianism is either the most naive and ignorant ideology, or the most sociopathic, apathetic and breathtakingly selfish. I can't decide which, but "live and let live" is the pathway to anarchy, chaos and societal collapse.

[@sphericalanomaly8757]

I love how basically every comment on the rings of power trailer is a quote or abbreviated quote from J R R Tolkien about evil not being able to create and can only corrupt or destroy.

[@dimitriwarchief301]

It’s true for most part

[@JeffBreyer]

I feel the same as this for one of my favourite books series, The Wheel of Time. They might as well had written a whole new story, which they pretty well did. Onmu took 3 episodes to go almost completely off the rails.

[@kwazhims3lf]

i remember early 2013 a buddy at work (we were discussing how we noticed like/dislikes being changed on vids) telling me... "funny how channels can get pushed when you buy subs" and i scoffed at that, "no way they would do that.. thats greasy" and he said "just watch them do it" well.... when gary and AZ talk about "deleted comments" "manipulated ratios" im not surprised it just.. keeps .. *_HAPPENING_* and its been going on for fcukin YEARS

[@Chester_Grimm]

Y'all remember that scene in Joe Dirt where Joe is talking to Kickin' Wing about his firework stand. When Joe learns that Kickin' Wing is only stocking fireworks HE likes, Joe explains to him why his firework stand is not doing well. He says to Kickin' Wing, "It's not what YOU like; it's the consumer." Bezos and Hollywood should embody that concept.

[@Chester_Grimm]

@@DaveM86 🤣 fair point.

[@geekybrian]

I remember back in 2020 or so when I was cautiously optimistic about Rings of Power. I was very naive. I don't understand how a studio can get the rights to a property and think "Ok, this is cool, but we need to change EVERYTHING except character names. It's the exact same hot garbage we're getting in the Halo show with the Silver timeline. Part of me wants to watch Rings of Power just to see the dumpster fire unfold, and part of me doesn't want to give Amazon the view numbers because a view is a view even if it's a cringe view.

[@mattikunnas1962]

I've never understood the representation argument, because when I was a kid my favourite characters in everything were always the monster/alien/etc. characters. I just thought they were way cooler than some regular dudes.

[@diatonicdelirium1743]

Exactly! Like I always loved to see Worf (Michael Dorn) in ST:TNG because he was much more interesting then, say, Mr. Crusher who was just a little older than me at that time. This is not a sneer to Wil Wheaton, just that looking at 'myself' is not good start for a fantasy story. Same way I liked Neelix and Tuvok - something different is good for the imagination.

[@tannhausergate7162]

The representation argument is bunk, but it doesn't matter. Enough narcissists will jump on board to make it at least somewhat viable and thanks to the media being one hundred percent on board, they will just pretend that these are the majority and normal people, not a bunch of weirdos. They will destroy everything regardless of the argument used though, so even if nobody bought into diversity and representation, they would just use other excuses.

[@varoux4278]

Ya why would I want to imagine being myself in a fantasy setting. A werewolf or Conan the barbarian for me please

[@patrickkenyon2326]

How many kids who play Dungeons and Dragons want to play human swordsmen? The game has a dozen character classes for a reason. Variety is good!

[@bry8636]

@@patrickkenyon2326 yep, and that variety already exists within Tolkien without the need to expand it.

[@stue2298]

When i heard that Amazon what going to make a Lord of the Rings TV show, my first thoughts where cool they can do the whole of the story including Tom Bombadil and a Barrow-wights etc, it would be different to the movies. How naive I was, thinking that a company would want to faithfully adapt a beloved and classic story in today's woke world. Even the show title is misleading it should have been titled "Middle Earth: The Rings of Power" but they need to assosiate this show with the movies even though it doesnt have anything to do with the movies.

[@queenberuthiel5469]

Yep. The desperation is visible.

[@goat2hell524]

Subbed! Killer content keep it up and thank you.

[@EmotionallyExhausted]

The KZbin dislike extension has no way of knowing if and when a creator removes dislikes. The developers take the results generated by the people who use the extension, and extrapolate that data to make a guess about what the number would be amongst the general population. If the dislikes disappear, there's something wrong with the extension, or they've made a correction to their algorithm. It's a very general indicator of what people who objected to the removal of the dislike count think. It's not much more than that. That said, F Amazon.

[@glennross85]

Creators can remove dislikes?

[@NateTheScot]

Then explain how my dislike keeps disappearing from the trailer? I literally have disliked the video 5 times now. Every few weeks it mysteriously disappears and i have to reapply my dislike to the video.

[@CrazyBomber22]

I thought the extension polled data from the still-in-service youtube APIs? As I understand it, the dislike count was hidden in the frontend, but still available via the backend APIs. If this case, then one could argue youtube did indeed remove dislikes.

[@karthis5911]

@@NateTheScot Have you watched a little bit of the video or just load the page, dislike then leave? I could be wrong but I believe you need to watch a little bit of it for your likes / dislikes to stick.

[@grindkerensky]

@@NateTheScot Because the dislikes are not on the KZbin Plattform. There isn't any API function anymore from KZbin to read the dislike counter. Return youtube Dislikes is a community driven dislike counter. The data doesn't sit on youtube or google servers.

[@everexpanding1]

Jackson's trilogy was originally going to have no pipe smoking in it to 'get with the times'. Then they said, fuck that.

[@scottmiller2591]

"5 years from now they'll appear laughable." Their laughability is timeless, immutable, a pillar to which all other folly falls short.

[@n_ex13]

Just as laughable as that time in the lotr we like to ignore

[@Ghiaccio-x1j]

“Fellowship of the Influencers”

[@antraxxslingshots]

My feelings from the beginning of the century, where i registered in forums and sucked up every news i could get about a new LOTR comming out closely before christmas...and the joy and exitement finally sitting in the chair on the first weekend....the cheering when the lights went out... I still can´t wrap my mind around how my feelings have not only gone...i am HOPING nothing new is comming out that concerns the stuff i liked to love....i am actually annoyed and sad when new Star Wars Stuff is announced...which would have sounded obscene to me just two decades ago. So sad :(

[@codyreece7080]

I busted out the extended edition blu ray set. Watched all the films and every bonus disc. Those special features highlight the passion that went into the films. A must watch.

[@zacharyelliott7161]

I agree. Once you compare the Special Features of The Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit... well I guess I shouldn't have been too surprised.

[@thomasmcdonough4680]

There are still a lot of people who don't realise what amazon are doing.

[@highrofellos6721]

I want 30 seconds with the "Super-Fans" and to be allowed to ask them 1 Simple Question. How Many Rings of Power were there? If they can't answer that....I'm allowed to question their status as "Super-Fans" and their ability to genuinely react/critique/care about LotR properties at all or if they simply cashed dat check!!! 9 for Men, 7 for Dwarves, 3 for the Elves, and the One to Rule them all....just in case anyone was unsure. :D

[@H3llf1re33]

Hang on, let me do the math... Carry the 1... Divide by pi... Translate to Elvish... 20! 20 Rings of power my good fellow!

[@aaronburdon221]

A little fun fact. The number actually make the year Tolkien died 1973. 3 rings for the elven kings under the sky, 7 for the dwarf lords in their halls of stone. 9 for mortal men doomed to die. 1 for the dark lord on his dark throne.

[@highrofellos6721]

@@aaronburdon221 True, but for most of the Amazon "Super Fans" I figured just the total Number would confuse them enough. lmao!!

[@SamvedIyer]

I have long said that I much prefer the Tolkien fandom; it is to my mind far larger, far more discerning, and far more rigidly unified in its assessment of adaptations, than the Star Wars fandom. It is a shame, really; George Lucas told a moving story in the form of the prequel trilogy, but a substantial portion of the fandom was too late in its appreciation thereof. It consciously chose to overlook a very good story and instead feel affronted at the only very occasional ropey dialogue (the occurrence of some of which is in fact sensible). And there is also a large element in the fandom that is still so purist that it does not heed even valid points of appreciation of the prequels and clings rigidly only to the original trilogy. The Tolkien fandom, on the other hand, has from the very beginning been unequivocal in its blend of appreciation and criticism of Peter Jackson's trilogy. And its intimidating power is being felt by so big a an entity as Amazon. It must emerge victorious.

[@TagSpamCop]

8:45 They use fancy words like "contextualize" to cover for how shallow and superficial they are.

[@conanthedestroyer7123]

Everyone look at Amazon's show "The Wheel of Time" and you will see what they will do to "The Rings of Power"

[@joshhacker8503]

Such a beautiful sight to behold, and followed by the words of a wise man. Its a good day to be a Tolkien fan when so many have united to face this evil force.

[@jumpfold]

Unbelievable what they are doing. I'm disgusted and angry.

[@bryanguzik]

I'm 45 and only just (last month) read the books. I keep pondering the entire "construction" of it all. It might just as well be a diary/tale out of a real place & time. To say it doesn't make sense is beyond understatement. I don't believe after taking it in you could find "legitimate" value altering it. Anyone working on it (& who's read It) MUST feel their own lack of talent on display. Happily they'll see it in live-action for all-time!

[@bryangivens1981]

Great video, Gary! There is something so fitting that the LOTR fandom will be the one to destroy this wokeist nonsense. Just as JRRT created the genre of fantasy, so his true fans will rescue it where other fandoms have failed.

[@DhinCardoso]

Already cancelled anything related with Amazon

[@Ancientreapers]

AZ did a video earlier and all of sudden 700k dislikes vanished and it's down to 1.1 million dislikes. Could it be Susan is trying to interfere with the Dislikes Browser Add-On?

[@Cybershock180]

I would yes cause she knows that the hardcore fans of lord of the ring would not fall for this crappy show.

[@RoseKindred]

The quote at 12:23 is misleading on their part. Assuming fans and viewers are going to be outraged because of skin color or nationality. Perhaps some will be, but the issue(s) they are not seeing is the alteration of the source material. It would be the same as saying King Arthur was really a female from feudal Japan who fled and started a new life.

[@joshmarden9933]

I think a lot of them do see the real issues, they're just narcissist who think the world should revolve around them. They just pretend we're bigots so they can dismiss us, virtue signal and dodge responsibility for their evil ways. They engineer the outrage, they made a dwarf female without a beard knowing we'd lose it, and made her black so when we lost it they could dismiss us... same way the climate fear propagandists used a small autistic white girl as a spokesperson. It's all so tiresome

[@josephjustice4553]

Yep. And then me calling you a misogynist and a racist for not appreciating the adaptation.🤦🏻‍♂️

[@LynasAnimation]

8:26 Gary bumps the mic -- adds a SPARK ANIMATION in the edit. Props, sir.