AMD AM5 Runs Hot, Will This Fix It?

[@RetroNook]

See the mistake you made with the thermal paste is you didn't do the hokey pokey and turn yourself around before and after applying, a step all thermal paste enthusiast know about. Another awesome video, appreciate what you do. 12:21

[@CyberCPU]

That's funny. 🤣😂😅

[@cpuuk]

I always wear my lucky underpants in such situations.

[@mauriciob8260]

the hokey pokey didn't knew about that 🤣🤣

[@CyberCPU]

​@@cpuuk that's an insider secret that you're not supposed to tell the public. 🤣😂😅

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

Amateur. I 360 no-scope my paste application.

[@Neonmirrorblack]

I was already planning on getting a CPU frame, and it wasn't even for heating reasons (aside from the actual heat sink of course). Was going to get one so that I could use a larger graphene pad since they are prone to shift all over the place when trying to put the heat sink on. They're also electrically conductive, so I needed a better cover to block the Ryzen capacitors that are unprotected.

[@CyberCPU]

That's another good reason that I didn't think of.

[@rickh8380]

Amazon sells a pad that goes around the CPU to keep the thermal paste from getting onto the them and causing a mess.

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

There are 2 graphine pads. The older is non-conductive and the newer one is conductive. I'm using the older non-Conductive pad and my cpu hasn't ever got hotter then 65c and I'm using a 120mm AIO in Push / Pull : My case is an Older Cooler Master HAF XB Evo with a lot of mesh pannels. I also have an exausht fan in the back - I can add 2 x 80mm fans in the lower left bottom side of the case to maybe help with cooling - but I haven't decided to do that yet.

[@Neonmirrorblack]

@@johnpaulbacon8320 I'm currently using the IC pads, and have been for years. Was just considering trying the Kryosheet, which actually cools a little better. Using air though, not an AIO which is why I was wanting to try the newer pads.

[@leftylou4693]

Tip: put a really little tiny dot of thermal paste in middle of cpu or the pad so it stays in place 😉

[@AirGunWeb]

Hey there. You eventually got to it but the other benefit is the fact that it fills in the holes and helps prevent thermal grease from getting down in between gaps in the IHS. As for better coolers, it’s a much of a muchness. Cheers Rick

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Undervolting , adding the replacement bracket + graphine thermal pad + AIO or Custom Water Cooling could really drop the tempature when all of the systems are used together. Maybe even getting a case with more mesh panels - including a mesh front panel.

[@rickh8380]

I have put two of those frames on my intel LGA1700. Both work great. I also bought an AM5 frame just like this for another KZbinr that I subscribe to. Just don't over tighten them or they will distort the pins and not get good contact and will cause strange problems to occur like no boot or memory errors.

[@nanngahatoori]

I just ordered contact frame yesterday for my 14709k and today you uploaded this

[@XVIIsionsProductions]

Measure the height difference of the plate and the top of the CPU and add .5mm to that measurement for a thermal pad. (Intel LGA1700 is .5mm so use 1mm) Add a squishy thermal pad to around the perimeter between the cooler and plate. Gelid Extreme is great for this and additional temperature control. Also, apply a small amount of thermal paste between the CPU and the plate around the edges where it touches the CPU, and butter the toast with the thermal paste. Thank me later.

[@wezleyjackson9918]

Correcting a few inaccuracies in this video.... TJMax for Ryzen 5 7600 is 95C (not 85c as stated) AM5 is the slot - which will take Ryzen 7000 series (Zen4) or the new Ryzen 9000 series (Zen5) - The author referred to the 7600 CPU as Zen5 (It's Zen 4)... The video author keeps referring to the Ryzen 5 7600 as "7th gen" .... Kinda not really... It's more 4th gen of Zen processors... AMDs naming is bad and confusing... But not as bad as Intel which is worse ! Also when the video author is talking about why Intel CPUs have problems with excessive temps from warping, he left out the real major reason AM5 AMD CPUs do not have this issue - The IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) is much thicker and is smaller, so that metal has much less chance to bend...

[@joshc7012]

I know he will get to it, but I got a decent aftermarket air cooler for $40 and it brought my temperatures down into the mid-70s C. Then using Ryzen master, which he has already touched on, I was able to achieve full boost clock and keep it in the mid 60s C.

[@CyberCPU]

Yes, the stock cooler needs to go. Also Ryzen Master is pretty amazing. 😉

[@SkipSauls]

Very nice testing and presentation of results. I picked up one of the frames for $9 a year ago, and another for $13 9 months ago. I agree $15 seems a bit much, but I do appreciate the way they help keep the thermal paste from gunking things up. I have a 7600 in a build with an ASRock A620i PG Lightning motherboard, which doesn't support much in the way of OC or other tuning. I originally had it in a SFF case with a small cooler, and as an experiment moved it into a MATX case, changing to a Phantom Spirit 120 Evo. As you suggest, the better cooler makes a big difference. Despite the relatively low-end motherboard, it is running much cooler, boosting higher, etc. An interesting test of the max values is OCCT, using the stability tests for CPU+Mem, Power, and so on. I have it set to PBO Enabled, but on this motherboard there aren't as many PBO knobs to turn. It is hitting 125+ watts, cores are averaging 4.9GHz for an extended run, and core temps range from the low 70C to mid 80C range. I have another system with a X670E Taichi, 420mm LFII AIO, etc., and swap out the 7600 for the 7800X3D to see what it can do. This motherboard has all sorts of OC potential, and the big cooler may help the 7600 boost higher, run cooler, and so on. Looking forward to seeing what else you do, learn, and share!

[@rmorenberg]

I have not yet built on AM5 yet, I have however built on the 1700 socket and I love the thermal right solution.

[@ShinobiDiabolik]

THe TL;DR of the 8 and a half minutes of intro: THe video explains that the stock retension bracket for the CPU and its cooler, does not keep the cooler square over the CPU and this leads to uneven mounting pressure between thCPU and its cooler, and this unever pressure leads to inefficient and inconsistent cooling. The goal of this replacement bracket is to allow for proper square fit of the cooler on the processor which in its turn lads to efficient and consistent cooling ofthe CPU. THere i said it in 2 sentences so my mother can understand it without going to fancy 8 and a half minutes intros.

[@CyberCPU]

You left out why this benefits the Intel processor more than the AMD processor. Which was essentially the entire purpose for the intro. 😅😂🤣

[@carlr2837]

I always love the names these things end up with on Amazon. This AM5 frame can be found listed as a "Corrective Anti-Bending Fixing Frame", while mine for Intel was sold as a "Bending Correct Frame".

[@cpuuk]

What a great question to ask (and answer)- thanks.

[@oswaldjh]

I haven't moved to AM5 yet, but the heat sink compound cleanup looks like something the engineering department forgot to fix. Been looking at various "guards" as I'll call them and this looks like it might even be of thermal benefit.

[@daves8718]

I would also stress as you said , do not tighten too much because you also have the mounting pressure of the cooler and as with one build I did with this you can get a CPU boot light error. Once you get a bit of firm resistance you are fine .

[@CyberCPU]

Most coolers can't be overtightened because the screws will only go down so far.

[@bonitabeach3127]

Thanks for the tutorial on Ryzen cooling and chip history.

[@CyberCPU]

You bet!

[@Cunaverse]

Honestly would just run thermaltake 120 peerless assassin for 30 money, more than enough and simple

[@insertnamehere4419]

I wish people would stop parroting the Peerless Assassin. The Phantom Spirit is objectively better and the same price. The PA is obsolete.

[@djchotus1]

Yes

[@enmanuel1950]

​@@insertnamehere4419 Yeah not a lot of people know that the Phantom spirit is the PA successor and performs (ever so) slightly better at the same price. But you gotta understand that the PA was very popular so people just buy it without knowing there's a "refresh". It's just like when people default to buying the Samsung 990 pro SSD when there's better value SSDs nowadays. Force of habit.

[@jrose-xp6tf]

I use a Thermalright contact-frame on a 12900K with a 420 AIO, temps are great and applications of thermal paste are neater and risk of CPU or board damage related to ZIF frame issues are eliminated...overall a win-win.

[@XVIIsionsProductions]

Measure the height difference of the plate and the top of the CPU and add .5mm to that measurement for a thermal pad. (Intel LGA1700 is .5mm so use 1mm) Add a squishy thermal pad to around the perimeter between the cooler and plate. Gelid Extreme is great for this and additional temperature control. Also, apply a small amount of thermal paste between the CPU and the plate around the edges where it touches the CPU, and butter the toast with the thermal paste. Thank me later.

[@SVT_LIGHTNING]

I've had one on my 13700k for almost 2 years now. Love it. You're right clean up is great with it. I've been on 2 different Z790 boards with it "msi tomahawk ddr4 to msi tomahawk ddr5" and I've had 3 coolers on it now. Old trust h115i died after many years of hard service. 6700k oc to 4.8 at 1.4v for years then 10700k at 5.1ghz on all 8 cores for a few years. Then a year with my 13700k oc to 5.6ghz on all 8 p cores, All 8 E core oc to 4.4ghz, Ring oc to 5.0ghz at 1.34v and then went to air cooling on the NH-D15 chromax black and on air it couldn't handle it as well as I liked. So went back to a aio h1150i link and it keeps its under control easily. Clean up all those times were a walk in the park. Super easy. Oh and no degradation on my 13700k for those about to jump all over it. Use my system 8 hours a day 7 days a week for work / gaming. It's pretty much always on. Just lock your voltages and core frequencies and no degradation issues that I've seen with the ones doing that. I mean I always buy a k series for a reason. Overclock them people. My 13700k has been one h*ll of a processor. If it goes at this point for what ever reason I wouldn't even care. It's been the most reliable and most actually used cpu I've ever had being I work from home and always use my desktop. And I've had quite a few cpu's over the many years and every single intel cpu I've ever had still works to this day. I hand them down to family and friends and all are being used still and working just fine. Reason I stick with intel. They have never let me down and I won't bail on a product / company that's given me not one single issue. I build pc's on the side for family and friends and used amd quite a lot. No issues with them either beside bios and windows issues that I've had to fix for them but nothing major. I put my brother on am4 years ago and just upgraded his 3800x to a 5700x3d fore his birthday back in July and he's been on cloud 9. The performance jump was very big. Amazing what amd has done with the am4 platform. He's set for a good few more years as long as his x570 tuf motherboard holds out.

[@nickvirgili2969]

The thermaltake brackets are great but the frames have to be installed properly too, also great for cleanup as well. Im about to try those phase sheets from thermal grizzly.

[@GaryBeltz]

What's the best cooler you recommend for both Intel and AMD CPUs, whether air or AIO?

[@CyberCPU]

That's next week's video. Spoiler alert, I'm a little biased for water cooling.

[@xxTexas_outlaw71xxttv]

​​@@CyberCPUso we have to stay tuned for next week same CPU TIME same CPU Channel😀 yeah ive never had a tower that was water cooled that will be a good video.

[@CyberCPU]

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[@bignicnrg3856]

I put one on my system to get rid of the polished chrome. Does look good!!!

[@BL4NKSB4NKRUPT-r1e]

Isn't the idea of the frame to help reduce inconsistency of contact between the CPU and Cooler over time? Also, two different thermal pastes were used in this testing. That alone makes all findings invalid enough by comparison. I'd like to see this test run over a longer duration, perhaps a month of continued use with and without the frame, using the same thermal paste. Even this methodology would leave a lot on the table. There's a lot of other factors like the type of cooler is it an AIO. Is it a custom loop with a water block? Is it an air cooler? Blah , blah , blah. Honestly, what I want to know is does this type of frame seem like it actually supports the CPU in a better way than the stock frame? Two sides VS Four sides sounds better in my mind. With this mentality I'd vote that everyone should consider installing a retention frame. Even if it's only as a precautionary measure for future deformation and possible inconsistency of CPU to Cooler contact. That said , to each their own. Nonetheless, nice video. I've been enjoying your content. CHEERS

[@CyberCPU]

The same compound was used in all testing. The purpose of the frame is to evenly distribute the clamping force of the socket. I explained in the video why it was necessary for Intel processors. It makes little to no difference for AM5 because the CPU isn't as large as the Intel CPU.

[@calvinengle2020]

Will adding the retention frame if your using a heavy cpu cooler still a good idea to give more support or will it basically do nothing?

[@CyberCPU]

That's another great positive that I hadn't considered.

[@jrose-xp6tf]

Stiffening the mounting area (board) can never be a bad thing for any cooler, a solid home rests on a solid foundation.

[@calvinengle2020]

@@CyberCPU that's why when I got my cooler I grabbed one of these... funny thing I ordered it the day before you did the review and when it came in your review came out 2 hours before lol..

[@calvinengle2020]

@@jrose-xp6tf amen brother.. I didn't really get a heavy cooler I got the noctua redux but with the 2nd fan added on I figured I would throw on this retention frame

[@Schubeedoobee]

I just built a 7950x3d using a machined frame... it's great. I never get above 80c under all core max load.

[@h1tzzYT]

Oh yeah?😁 Try running far cry 5

[@daves8718]

I have one its more of making things less messy than keeping it cool , you may get a degree or so benefit

[@OrlandoPaco]

You really need an AIO for that puppy!

[@CyberCPU]

Stay tuned, it's coming.

[@dudetapedtoafridge3073]

On the larger intel cpu's you can actually see the contact frame a little bit with certain aios to give the pc a little bit more color in some builds. Especially the red contact plates look crazy

[@johnpaulbacon8320]

Using a premoistened alcohol wipes - like the wipes for lenses / portable device screens - etc could make removing the thermal grease / past easier.

[@axescar]

Didn't see any info that am5 frame is for thermal benefits, its more for for thermal paste - see description on Noctua page, they call it thermal paste guard

[@Reirainsong]

Except Noctua just has a thin sheet that you overlay on top of the latching mechanism while Thermalright has a sturdy piece of aluminium that replaces it, same as with LGA 1700. Obviously overkill where bending correction isn't needed, but it's sturdy and it works. The default latch does not include enough socket ingress protection and Ryzen's IHS was probably designed by someone who never had to replace thermal paste.

[@insertnamehere4419]

It's not for thermal benefits, there are none. Anyone saying otherwise is wrong.

[@TheKims82]

I went totally overkill and got a Liquid freezer III 360 for my 7600. Temps hover around 45-50C while gaming and around 65C in CB 30 min run. Was in the high 80's while gaming and 95C in CB with the stock cooler, so it's quite a difference.

[@alimansoor78]

Very nice video , Bur there is another reason these being promoted , To avoid thermal paste sliding in to the gaps which the processssor had in its design and in some extreme cases it had reached notherboard pins too.

[@richardkim9952]

Agreed 100% about thermal paste application

[@michaelwilloya3510]

I wonder if putting a little thermal paste around the interior of the contact frame would help some by making it more apt to act like thermal mass. Looking at your one graph, it seems to cool off more slowly. If that is the case, one made from copper or brass could be of possibly even greater benefit. I admit I bought one because I actually enjoyed installing one on my intel PC. I did notice temps going down and higher boosting, but I had also swapped out to a phase change material to test out at the same time, so I cannot really say if the frame had any effect. I did drop a few idle degrees and noticed that it took longer to hit TJmax and hit steady state with ~100-200mhz higher clocks.

[@Wyse-Gaming]

I have this and it works really well. I paired it with the carbonaut thermal grizzly.

[@SiqFix]

The bracket is intended to keep the cpu from warping and keep the cpu and your cooler in contact so you don’t get any hot spots. I have Thermalright 360 AIO with my R7 7700X overclocked at 5.4GHz at 1.20v. I get gaming temps around 45-55c max. 70-80c during shader compilation.

[@davidhauck3871]

I wonder what kind of difference that retention frame would make with the Gen. 2 Noctua coolers that are designed with the chip warping in mind.

[@Level_Up_Nation]

I just picked one of these up because it makes putting the paste on the Ryzen crazy shape, much easier. Also as a benefit uaing a water-cooler,it sits more flush.

[@ardithconley2628]

Well Doc ya know wat up. I got a tip from somebody about cleaning 'turmo grease off 'CPUs. which is using paper coffee filters. I do not use those kinds of coffee pots any more. I went to k cups. So I went to my local dallortree and got a pack of them. Which should last me a long time. Hey they work great. and you can trash them when you are done. Those filters and some 99% acahol is all you need to do that job with. The paper in the filters is just the right texture to clean without scratching the CPU.

[@CyberCPU]

Great tip!

[@EXTREMOZAU]

Jay two cents dose this for a long time

[@Nick_R_]

Their main advantage is not leaving fibres behind.

[@NEZLeader]

I've been using a silk cleaning cloth for eyeglasses to remove paste the last couple years.

[@XVIIsionsProductions]

Coffee filters are also commonly used is engine rebuilding for a lint free solution (if you didn’t know) they’re awesome and CHEAP CHEAP!

[@itbaggedurgf]

In the video you said the tjmax for the 7000 series is 85c, that’s incorrect, the Tjmax for NON 3D vcache models is 95c while the 3Dvcache models is 89c. The tiny stealth cooler is in fact keeping the 7600 10c under tjmax.

[@JamesSmith-sw3nk]

Good video. I have a similar Thermalright retention frame bracket for my socket 1700 13700k (Intel 1700 cpu's can bend without it). It lowered my cpu temps by about 7C. I am using a Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE Dual fan cooler. I use those brackets on any new pc build that they support. It saves thermal paste from getting on the socket or motherboard and it can help thermals. The brackets only cost $10-$15.

[@ultraprimez]

i would use two tea / coffee filters to clean cpu. One to clean the thermal paste then use isopropyl alcohol to clean up residue.

[@zackw4941]

I am curious to know if all testing was carried out with the same paste. You mentioned you usually use Thermal Grizzly, but opted to try the included paste. But it only comes with so much. The results you got, showing barely any change in temperature, IS the expected result for AM5. That said, changing paste would likely have made a larger difference. Not saying you don't know better, but the way you described what you were doing, introduced doubt for me. PS, we are both old fogies.. As you said "28mhz," I was immediately thinking, "I remember when 28mhz would have been a huge deal!" even before you said it.

[@LoganE01]

I'm using a Thermaltake care v21, and scythe Fuma 3 fan on my 7800x3D (with this same "cpu holder") and so far, its running way cooler than my old pc case....

[@wkungYT]

Would like to see you test it with a 7000X series CPU _with_ an AIO (which reportedly take even more advantage of the retention frame's bit of thermal benefit).

[@Betonoszlop]

Got mine a few days back, will test it soon

[@vincentgreen2001]

How about offset mounting? Would be an interesting test to see.

[@CyberCPU]

Maybe on a more efficient cooler. I don't think it would benefit the stock cooler.

[@Jlim2k2]

I'm wondering if putting thermal paste on the contact of the CPU and retention bracket will improve or will have any effect at all?

[@j_t_eklund]

This + a custom tower cooler + 'under volt' bios profile + memory that has as low latency as possible at optimal frequency for the CPU memory controller.

[@captainmcquirkstube8592]

NO THERMAL PASTE NEEDED WITH CARBON FIBER CLOTH SHEET. I use one on my 9900k and a 280mm AIO. Temps top out at about 87c running Cinebench 1.54 at 4.7 to 5GHz in 82f temps. I run FanControl with minimal tweaking.

[@MCandC99]

I would love to see this paired with noctuas offset frame to see how much more the CPU can push its boost clocks

[@leftylou4693]

It's been known since the launch of frames only lower temps for Intel Cpu's for Amd it's just protection from paste going into the chip.

[@Rex1Mundi]

My wonderfully old intel 4th gen CPU never gets hotter than 65C :D

[@pandurlolgg5780]

I think a combination of this, a high quality thermal paste, a good cooler (can be air cooled) and undervolting makes most sense and it definitely fixed the crazy high heatspikes of my 7800x3d. I went for the Noctua NH-D15 CPU Cooler (with only a single fan) and Kryonaut Extreme since it performs very good in a lot of tests I've been reading. Before, my CPU spiked up to somewhere around 80° C. Now, it spikes somewhere around 58-65° C under heavy load. Under "normal" gaming load, I usually get somewhere between 48° C and 55° C. I probably could achieve more if I tinkered a bit more with undervolting. I just took the first stable settings I could find and left it at that. With a 40€ investment, I could get a so much better result. The frame is only around 20 bucks and installing it is rather easy to do. Absolutely worth it, if you ask me.

[@bgmotobang2870]

cleaning that chip makes it worth the money.........period

[@mattio79]

A Thermalright Phantom Spirit 120 SE will maximize your boost, along with a Thermal Grizzly Kryosheet at 33x33mm. I have that on my 7800x3d

[@johanandersson-v7s]

i just picked this bad boy up from the postoffice today. Gonna install it on my 7600 and im assuming it Will keep temps in order, i run stock settings i just enable xmp for 6000 cl30 🎉

[@Rose.Of.Hizaki]

In my case I bought a contact frame because the motherboard (MSI X670E Gaming Plus) I purchased had few less layers to its PCB than other more expensive boards and I was afraid of it warping under the mounting pressure of the CPU cooler. Since the system is a new build, I dont have any before and after results to share but my 7800X3D with PBO+CO with a -20 offset (rookie numbers i know but im still tuning it...) never goes beyond 70c while gaming unless the ambient room temp is like 25-27'c which is has been over the last few weeks. Most of the time its chilling at 60-65'c (when gaming) and Im still seeing boost clocks hit 5ghz. The cooler im using is the Thermalright Phantom Spirit and TR's Heilos PTM pad. Its not as good as the honeywell stuff but ive had great results with it on my laptop - Its also easily obtainable off amazon for a price much cheaper than importing it in from the USA or Canada. -- Also the motherboard turned out to be a lot more sturdy than I had anticipated but since I already had the contact frame anyway. I put it on.

[@lindah6954]

I use Thermal Grizzly-Carbonaut reusable thermal pads. No more messing with the pastes.

[@CyberCPU]

I didn't know they were reusable. I thought they were always just one time use.

[@lindah6954]

@@CyberCPU Yes, it's reusable.

[@CyberCPU]

​@@lindah6954 I was thinking of the KryoSheet. I ordered both today. I'm going to take a look at them.

[@lindah6954]

@@CyberCPU Jay2cents did a test on them about 6 months ago. The reusability sold me.

[@ragreen2]

I got a retention frame (same one as in the video) because I didn't want thermal paste to get into the notches on my 7600. I'm not sure if it helped my thermals, but I have a 7900GRE and I'm not having thermal issues with either my CPU or GPU either in regular use or in stress tests. I am not using a stock cooler though, I'm using a 6 heat pipe/single fan Thermalright Burst Assassin - only ~$28 and easy to install.

[@Repsikka]

Nobody, including Thermalright, the creator of that bracket, have said anything about cooling performance improvements on AM5, because how the intel chips are shaped, over time there will become a slight bend and the intel bracket straightens it or something, but because AMD chips are squares, there won't be a bend and no improvements, I only got that same thermalright bracket for my 7600 because of the difficulty cleaning the IHS from thermal paste. If you want better cooling performance for your AM5 cpus, because of the chiplet design and the position of the CCD dies, go get yourself a offset bracket. Thermal grizzly sells one for general use, Noctua has offset brackets for their coolers, and then there's what I did, I got an Arctic AIO, they also include offset bracket for AMD, actually, Arctic liquid freezer III has offset bracket for AMD and that full contact bracket for Intel cpus, but mine is Liquid Freezer II (got it and installed it on the day Arctic announced the Liquid Freezzer III series, so that announcement was the first thing I saw when I turned my pc on)

[@Dremvel2335]

Thank you for the video. It helped me decide on purchase. I use an NZXT AiO Kraken X63 280 on an MSI MPG X670E Carbon WiFi Gaming Motherboard with the Ryzen 7700X CPU, and it definitely makes a difference when you have more efficient cooling --a custom build would likely yield even better results... I am seeing as many as 12C difference in temperatures and regularly stable frequencies up to 5.2GHz instead of the system bouncing all the time between 4.7-5.1GHz.. It's nice and yes.. definitely helps. I used Thermalright's TFX paste this time.. Weird stuff.. hard as wall putty and difficult to apply, but seems to work well. I still want to go back to my Kryonaut Extreme. Namaste...

[@uniqueangel]

For Intel go for Thermal Grizzly Frame they have a torque guide for the screws

[@joshglidewell117]

Have a 7600x in a custom watercooled loop and it will go straight to 85 in Cinebench under full load. Have the thermal grizzly contact frame. These cpus are just designed to boost to the moon until they catch fire. Lol i dont think any cooler could keep them under 85 at max boost unless maybe you delided it. Just not possible to transfer the heat away fast enough.

[@CyberCPU]

It's very possible. Check out my latest video.

[@accronixde]

Greetings from germany! :)

[@CyberCPU]

Welcome!

[@XVIIsionsProductions]

Measure the height difference of the plate and the top of the CPU and add .5mm to that measurement for a thermal pad. (Intel LGA1700 is .5mm so use 1mm) Add a squishy thermal pad to around the perimeter between the cooler and plate. Gelid Extreme is great for this and additional temperature control. Also, apply a small amount of thermal paste between the CPU and the plate around the edges where it touches the CPU, and butter the toast with the thermal paste. Thank me later.

[@garyrichards6079]

The other benefit it stops paste getting down the sides of the IHS ... So keeping the paste on top and not down the sides !!

[@nithia]

I might grab one of these when I do my CPU upgrade at some point in the next year or two. Currently running the 7600xt and trying to hold out to see what the 9800x3d might look like and how it is priced compared to just getting a 7800x3d and riding that out until AM5 has its last generation on it and we are moving on to AM6 or whatever the next one will be in like 3 to 5 years.

[@RanTausi]

I have ordered the deepcool ak500s , will this cooler sufficient for 12400f or Ryzen 5 7600 ?

[@BrewProof]

Direct Die cooling is where its at with AM5 ... the IHS is too thick - to maintain AM4 cooler compatibility..

[@GA-br8wj]

Like KZbin cares about scammers in the platform, nope, they care much more about us wrongthingking.

[@johnnygames857]

Honestly KZbin doesn’t care but there are groups and people who do and help get the scammers to “go away”

[@chippyyyy]

am5 tends to run pretty high voltages for no actual reason even at lower clocks, my7900x would always be around 65c idle and around 85c under gaming loads, the way i fixed it was undervolting it to 1.225v (virtually every cpu can run those voltages stably) and then enable pbo with curve optimizer set to -10 in order to gain back the loss in speeds with the undervolt, this way i kept the same exact performance and dropped temps by almost 30c

[@quintrapnell3605]

I’m pretty sure contact frames only help Intel. the AM5 chips have a ziggurat style IHS it’s way thicker and doesn’t bend.

[@Kapono5150]

If Zen 4 is designed to run at 95 c then why would he say it’s running hot when the CPU is doing what it’s designed to do. Also, don’t waste your money on this, it’s the unreliable Intel chips that need a contact frame

[@gward1968]

@CyberCPU: You should do a video on Thermal Grizzley's Kryosheets.

[@CyberCPU]

I agree, I should. I was thinking about it.

[@wkungYT]

@@CyberCPU And do it with this retention frame. Why? Because it protects against the main downside of the Kryosheet--electric conductivity.

[@GodyArtDesign]

this think is for Direct Die CPU i think. u need take headspreader away. and put cooler on it, so he dont crash the chip, this thing hold it up.

[@chrismcgraw3399]

undervolting is great and often you can squeeze lots more out of your hardware. GPU's from amd if undervolted just enough to be stable and with with the power limit set higher on rdna2 and newer gpu can boost a lot more and cpu's do more or less the same thing so it works more for less power and less heat at base clock but still gets to work to the maximum boost it can for longer and achieve the same max temp and basically let the card overclock itself a bit with the boost feature ( can get up to 10 to 15% or more performance boost) . am5 chips are built to run hot so thermal headroom becomes a bottleneck because it will be not so much be thermal throttling as thermally limited from boosting as much as it can for as long as it can as long as it does not get to 85c TJMAX at witch point it will start to reduce clocks and boost time to reduce heat and save itself ( if only intel cpu's would work as good at this with 13 ands 14 gen silicon degradation drama) .

[@quintrapnell3605]

I think the only benefit is it holds in a delid cpu well. The only benefit is it makes Liquid Metal applications safer. That is how it was marketed by the creator.

[@reallyryan_]

I use one of these for my two PC's I have them on my main editing rig with my i9 13th gen and one on my gaming rig with my i9 12th gen they work really well.

[@sgottoboni]

If you overclock much more. This cooler he put on will not be enough cooling.

[@CyberCPU]

It's not enough cooling now. So yeah, I agree. We are ditching it in next week's video.

[@digitalplayland]

Why would you use the stock fan and cooler?

[@armstada000]

previous vid he made a budget machine and was testing the socket on this one

[@CyberCPU]

I explained why in the video. We built the system on a budget.

[@GA-br8wj]

It is the best cooler if you have nothing else, that is why, I usually buy Noctua coolers and they always perform really good, the bigger the better, perfect airfryers, no liquid cooling for me, thanks.

[@CyberCPU]

​@@GA-br8wj I'm biased towards water cooling. This will be the last video this system is air cooled in. 😉

[@GA-br8wj]

@@CyberCPU You do you!!! I do not want water in my PC, no sir.

[@hasanmich1504]

Its not meant to fix temps on an AM5, on intel it will. Best itll do is help keep clean the processor which could be worth it

[@CyberCPU]

I actually did see a benefit on AM5. It was small but I believe it would scale with better cooling capacity.

[@hasanmich1504]

@@CyberCPU with something that small tho id say it was margin of error.

[@CyberCPU]

​@@hasanmich1504 maybe. However, it was repeatable.

[@hazimabdelgadiromar7734]

I love the way you do video.

[@Level_Up_Nation]

The new 9800x3D coming out at the end of October, wonder how hot that will be, since it will be geared for gaming and 600w.

[@Quinsterrr]

Could you do a video undervolting a ryzen 5 7600x?

[@CyberCPU]

The testing is already done and it will be in production this week or next possibly. It's going to be on a 7600, non X, but should be the same.

[@tubeDude48]

You should have showed us a side-by-side of the bracket's, PHYSICALLY!

[@CyberCPU]

I thought I did.

[@kevinsoliday7405]

Great video and content

[@VikrantGupta-j6v]

Sir you said that motion is illusion as in video fps is their so sir in 24fps each frame is shown for same time so sir how we are able to tell this object is moving fast and this object is slow as each frame is on screen for same time pls answer sir

[@miguelcollado5438]

PBO tune it to the negative ranges always works

[@brianmiller1574]

Thats all it is, nothing more or less, but to help minimizing paste mess.

[@Vanessinha91Pucca]

I have a 14600K with a 260mm coolermaster radiator and Kryonaut Extreme. I got the bracket and well, temperature wise it made zero difference.

[@jordan-mn6yy]

My preliminary thought b4 watching these results is. First you need to test the 7800x3d or any x3d chip. And with PBO enabled. And my understanding is that it cant help to stop the chip from frying itself into an early grave when PBO is enabled. Theres also another thing in bios similar to PBO that has to do with the voltages but who has time to remember all these abreviations?

[@MoireFly]

Isn't Tjmax 95C? Where's the 85C coming from?

[@DragonXDrei]

Why aren't these made of Copper? Why Aluminium?

[@Itowle9]

I think it's worth the price alone just to make cleaning the thermal goo MUCH easier each time.

[@jerrycurls88]

Take the 15, add 20 and get a thermalright peerless assassin. You'll get much better temps than any bracket will yield.

[@CyberCPU]

Stay tuned for next week. I can do even better than that.

[@sg1trogdor]

Honestly unless you just want to do it just because. Theres no reason. My 7950x is a heater. Its been de lidded and direct die cooled and i can still get this thing to thermal throttle with ease with stock settings. With AMD your best bet is going in and messing with bios settings either undervolting or just setting your pbo tjmax settings.

[@CyberCPU]

Check out my latest video. That's exactly what I did.

[@migchielfaber49]

gonna switch soon to AM5 vey curious if my cooler will fit hopefully I not gonna need extra stuff to get it running.

[@Nicc93]

ive been using an arctic liquid freezer 3 on 7800x3d and never gets too hot. Never used a contact frame

[@bebelush24]

Question as I have the exact same cpu/cooler mine is the 360 variant. What’s your idle temps?

[@Nicc93]

@@bebelush24 30 to 40 depending on room temps.

[@Nicc93]

@@bebelush24 45 watching youtube

[@box420]

Iv got a 7800x3d and it runs at 75-80c under full load with a 240 aio and it keeps its boost clock speed of 4.9ghz and doesn't fall back to the base clock

[@Treestorm]

Huh maybe i'll get it to pair it with my cooler master ML240L V2 with kingpin extreme paste. Whats 15 bucks more added to a 7800 x3d system lol. Might as well go all out.

[@astrobard]

See, I'm gonna get the AM5 contact frame not because I think it would help keep it from warping or anything but because I will accidentally rip that thing out of the board if I need to change my thermal paste as I have done before T.T