AMD Anti-Lag+ | We Need To Talk

[@djvidual8288]

If AMD screws up so badly that even Chris comes back... they really dropped the ball

[@BattleNonSense]

You could say that. 😅

[@Zoddom]

​@@BattleNonSensefeels like we need you now more than ever. What you found out about CS2s framelimiter is just one thing thats going wrong with this game right now. Wed really need someone to finally check the networking latency, a lot of players even experience constant 80+ms delay for damage even with

[@Sireristof1332]

@@BattleNonSense really interesting actually, i only used/saw reflex in bf2042 and tarkov and both had the framerate drop by a noticable amount and i did not feel like input latency changed so i never used them again. Would you be interested in checking if the setting in nvidia system manager even does anything when u enable low latencymode on "on" or "ultra"?

[@akirajkr]

Something I would like to see is a new video on Borderless gaming, since things have changed significantly since the last video(7 years ago)

[@xzraiderzx308]

@@BattleNonSenseyour videos are invaluable no matter what the topic is. I’m always excited when I see a new upload

[@genb4374]

Taking this opportunity to say that many of the people who got falsely banned from CS2's Anti-Lag are STILL not unbanned

[@evertchin]

I would be mad if my GPU cost me my decade old silky clean steam account

[@NulJern]

@@evertchin bu hu. What an honourable man who takes pride in his steam account. Lol. Fanboiis..

[@evertchin]

@@NulJern I can only imagine 2 kind of person who would have said what you said, a cheater or a troll.

[@tonybamanaboni4441]

@@NulJernbu hu

[@ExodiumTM]

​​@@NulJern cheating in a competitive online game and taking pride on it is so fucking sad. To me, that sounds like a skill issue

[@JohnCarter04]

I've been a viewer since your Battlefield 4 netcode videos. You are, bar none, the best at explaining these complex concepts in a way that's comprehensive yet easy to understand. Thank you for your years of work.

[@sashomedia]

KZbin is very tuff last few years. Happy to see you still dropping analysis videos, no one else doing like you!

[@albanjmt7602]

BattleNonSense is back baby !!!! So happy to see you around Chris. I was missing so much your quality content

[@Nayr_uk]

FROM THE SHADOWS, HE RETURNS. Welcome back, hoping to see significantly more from you!

[@thatzaliasguy]

Holy crap, a new BattleNonsense video!!??

[@KalmerVT]

Glad to have you back, we missed you :D

[@omster_]

The Return of the King

[@KaledTV]

Welcome back boss.

[@Mrjoehammer]

@BattleNonSense So happy to see you are making videos again! Thanks for the quality & time you put into every video!

[@FIREBREATH1001]

Heyyy welcome back!!

[@ReivecS]

OMG I have missed you! It truly is the holiday season!

[@DrDripz]

I really REALLY wish you would upload more often. I love your videos. I've learned so much over the years from you.

[@nifiga_prikolno]

8:50 quick reminder that reflex works noticeably better on newer cards than on pascals and maxwells where the gain may be negligible and you'd rather use framerate limiter instead.

[@rarespetrusamartean5433]

feels like this should be a pinned comment, or at least included in the description, but no, instead the pinned comment is just a drama comment.

[@heatblayze]

It is frankly mind-boggling that AMD didn't spend the time making an SDK for people to use, and instead chose to double-down on a technique that will cost them more time and money.

[@sturmbnnuy]

That's simply because AMD sells subpar tech for cheap, that's their only selling point: the cheap price, its ironic because their price reflects their subpar product, and people still lick their boots.

[@PriestPoppy]

@@sturmbnnuy cheap?💀 They're like max 80$ less than competition (That is excluding the scalper situation that happened and comparing msrp)

[@MetaphoricalMusic]

WE MISSED YOU!

[@GeorgePinkFloyd]

this dude has a 1440p 360hz monitor and plays overwatch in 150 fps

[@puertadlm163]

He alive. Good to have you back man.

[@KFC-Warrior]

I clicked on this video so fast. Glad to see a video from you.

[@ChadeGB]

Good to have you back. Maybe if you have time you could eventually do an analysis of DLSS Frame Generation and it's impact on latency? I would love to hear it.

[@BattleNonSense]

That is something I'd like to take a look at but it is a quite complex beast to test properly.

[@theoriginalsuperpwny]

My god, a channel, I only dreamed of coming back, has uploaded a new video. Can't begin to say how much I've missed your top quality content. Thank you!

[@fwabble]

So good to hear this wonderful mans voice again - what incredible high quality work as ALWAYS - I would say this channel is the epitomy of quality not quantity.

[@fichtar]

That's a nice suprise. Welcome back! I hope there's more content coming in the future - maybe a video on CS2 subtick?

[@TheSast]

Oh, that's a voice I haven't heard in a bit. Glad to see your informative work again.

[@TheDangermouse999]

Good to see you are back !!!

[@BannedEvECharacter]

Its a good day when Chris uploads a new video

[@Dan_XI0]

BATTLENONESENSE IS BACK!!

[@Butterhoernchen77]

Thank you for creating a video again. Your content is unique and often pressures big companies into changing things.

[@hwanzi90]

i never clicked a video so fast even though i dont use an amd gpu! the goat is back?!!?!

[@majorzero5385]

We miss you so much

[@g0ggy]

It's also kinda funny that people still blame Valve for the VAC bans that have been dished out due to AL+. Good to see you back, Chris.

[@TwoHands95]

Return of a legend.

[@rafaatashour]

welcome back dude, really missed you content.

[@Klar]

AMD dropped the ball hard on this one for sure.

[@orbis17]

Glad to see you back, mate! Your testing has been missed greatly.

[@Bert_Brenner]

Welcome back. Good work, thank you.

[@aquual1462]

Finally the video I was looking for. Missed you man, glad you are back

[@mikem.s.1183]

Christmas time! Herr Battle{non}Sense is back. Hope you and family are super ok, Chris. Now on to the video. 😊

[@MrSunglxzz]

The man, the myth, the legend is finally back! So good to see you again.

[@Zeritho_RC]

Nice to have you back Chris, as always, nice video, very interesting subject, thanks!

[@DarthZombie510]

Just for added context on Nvidia's support limitation for older cards: Nvidia dropped support overall for cards older than the 900 series a couple years ago. So when you look at it, Reflex is supported on ALL cards that still get driver support from Nvidia. Which makes AMD's strict limitation to only 7000 series cards even stranger. Surely it can't be a hardware issue if 10 year old nvidia cards have no problem handling something like this, right?

[@dominikp.606]

1080 Ti also isn't supported on many games.

[@DarthZombie510]

@@dominikp.606 on the driver level, it is. Owners of 1080Ti still receive driver updates. What you're saying is that GAMES may not support it aka the minimum system requirements can go to 2000 series or above. That's got nothing to do with nvidia, it's the game developers that decide how old are the components their games will be made for.

[@NateT3]

AMD probably tested their anti-lag tech only on their newest GPUs. Their product marketing sucks and they shipped "Nvidia equivalent" features in a rush.

[@Skazzy3YT]

I'm here from the future. AMD now has Anti-Lag 2 with proper implementation done in-game.

[@andre_warmeling]

I am a very simple man. I always lower in-game quality to a point in which the game never goes lower than 150 fps, then enable 144 fps lock. I have never seen a clear reason why, but I've always done that. Seems that I had an overall best scenario all along. By the way, great content. Keep up the good work!

[@konzo5942]

It's better to keep your FPS inside vrr range btw, better input latency, so cap to like 140

[@andre_warmeling]

@@konzo5942 yes, indeed. Thanks!

[@NoobieNoodle89]

THE LEGEND HAS RETURNED

[@Shifterfire]

Happy to see you come back!

[@AussieZeKieL]

Good to have you back!

[@nele801]

Welcome back. We need you

[@zofrea1]

Great to see you back!

[@supermoeller]

wohoooooo. He is back!

[@edwin260]

You can also inject Reflex in almost any game using Special K, which is what AMD is basically doing I'm guessing.

[@Spyboticer]

The king is back

[@RaufZero]

Welcome back! Happy to see you again ;)

[@FollyOx]

The king is back, we missed you

[@kajori1899]

Willkommen zurück!

[@bromek3666]

Welcome back! There was a lot of content in CS2 community with their subtick system, that you could make a video out of.

[@FFeeLiT]

Thanks bro, i was waiting for this video!

[@StephenPopiel]

Really hope this means more videos are coming in the future!

[@uchnsn]

HE IS ALIVE!

[@madvoador1]

Always a pleasure to see a new video of you, Chris! Your content is unique and we all miss you.

[@TAG-GAMING]

Just tune your games graphics settings to a desired FPS need to reduce latency. Battle(non)sense thank you for your work. 😀

[@TankSenior]

Great video, thanks for diving into this subject! Very interesting to see a proper breakdown of the differences between these two approaches.

[@Kohega]

Glad to have you back

[@Disposalist]

Lovely to see you again Chris!

[@SAiNT_Ryan25]

Our input latency King is back?!

[@Sapulidi__]

Hell yeah!!! I would love to see a video from Battlenonsense on OLED panels. Would replacing my 1ms 240hz VA panel with a 0.03ms 165hz OLED panel result in a smoother experience? I need to know! xD

[@rndmnmd]

Great to hear back from you! Servus aus Bayern!

[@pashachoo]

Legend is here!

[@ATR-_]

I missed your breakdowns and I love your content, I hope you are doing well with your time away from KZbin.

[@byr0n]

Good to see you back brother

[@Aliothale]

Genuinely love your content and deep dives. Would love to see you produce some more quality videos when you can.

[@itsbandar]

welcome back legend

[@casedistorted]

Hey hey Battlenonsense always gives me that responsive and smooth accent

[@Enivoke]

You’re back!

[@viper2035]

Danke!

[@adamas9676]

The King is back

[@MrDoomsday]

always like new videos from Battlenonsense

[@trivolous28]

The rationale for AL+ is basically FSR1 vs DLSS in the olden days: Devs are unreliable and super slow to implement features unless they get paid; even today DLSS is only in a handful of games. FSR1 on the other hand is everywhere.

[@MinimumIngenium]

Am I in heaven? Damn it's nice to see you back!

[@NielsGx]

Best is to use SpecialK, can inject Nvidia Reflex in any DX11/DX12 games. their framelimiter is super smooth, low latency, and highly configurable

[@BattleNonSense]

SpecialK and multiplayer games do not go together.

[@ilya7638]

Good to see you back. very informative content.

[@bahaaka828]

Waiting patiently for netcode analysis of cs2

[@IlHansenIl]

Welcome back, Champ.

[@Sventra]

Feels good to have you back man! Hope everything's alright and you'll stay with us! Edit: Man returned from the dead just to blast AMD. I love it.

[@kishimotodashoppee8632]

Would love to see you test frame generation's input lag from amd and nvidia

[@Wobbothe3rd]

There's only one game you can do that with. That's not enough to draw any conclusions. And we already know Nvidia will win.

[@Rainquack]

Oh damn, I didn't hear about this. I also didn't realize that you were gone for so long, grias di!

[@lihuangzheng2896]

Welcome back!!!! It's being a while.

[@Fnnrny69]

It`s so great to see new content from you, at least once in a while.

[@ubemvuossas665]

I loved the video, but there seems to be a lot of fanatism/bias here: - We're currently in a high refresh rates + vrr dominated world, reflex currently is way harder to get to work correctly on these setups and it's always recommended to just limit your fps a little below to get vrr going and the least latency, meaning that even tho reflex is a decent technology on it's own, there's no real pro because it already gets outmatched and is better integrated without it on most people setups, nvidia knows this and it's why reflex has been moved to different dlss projects while being basically abandoned on it's own, even if you don't have a vrr capable monitor it still gets outmatched by a simple fps limit. - The entire video seems to be based out of the fact that AMD cards got banned from CS2, it showed from the first moment you mentioned nvidia that this video was going to be unfair because you decided to not touch nvidia's latency reduction on the driver, but focused on reflex instead which ofc isn't going to get you banned because it's up to the developer, this video makes it seem like nvidia knows better and they're all for game developers when they do the exact same thing but they found a proprietary way to get themselves deeper into the market. - Reflex is proprietary for no reason, it's a simple technology that has very little to do with nvidia other than legality, there's projects that allow any card to use reflex (won't name it, idk if nvidia is god here will smite me down), which makes reflex just unnecessarily powerful in a competition sense, AMD cannot do something similar because nvidia's solution is so generic it's like patenting the word "the" and expecting AMD to come up with something new that doesn't include "the". - FPS limiters integrated in-game can be hit or miss, which is why it's always recommended to use driver based fps limits (pretty much always recommended) or third party (less recommended), however you disregarded both because it'd mean that there's no reason for reflex to exist since you get better results even when the game doesn't have an fps limiter, which means that any game can get better latency and integration with vrr capable monitors than the developers putting reflex on their game. TL;DR= While AMD got hit by the banhammer due to anti-lag, this video used that not to explore driver based latency reduction and it's efficiency (or lack there of) but more to talk about the wonders of nvidia's reflex which is not driver based and even on your own video gets outmatched by a simple fps limit (while also implying you need an fps limiter in-game...) in a traditional monitor, and which in the current market where half the people even have a vrr enabled tv is simply the best solution anyways, yet regardless of this you push reflex as the better option even when you proved it to be unnecessary for any use case and straight up detrimental on vrr setups.

[@ericyang3180]

Look who's back? I thought another old video appeared on my homepage.

[@Thrashman138]

He's back!!!!!!!!

[@laencarna]

So nice to see a new video from you, and of course to keep learning from your tests! Thanks a lot!

[@dvknight]

Welcome back, if you ever consider making netcode analysis again it would be great. I have no doubts games like CoD Warzone that has kept 20hz tick rate has such an horrendous hit reg that your tests would open many eyes into this issue

[@BattleNonSense]

Sadly games like Warzone are almost impossible to test: - I have to get 2 players onto the same server who can't be in a squad/duo - other players tend to instantly kill one of my test players - I must do multiple test runs to get conclusive data, which means multiple servers - and getting 2 players onto the same server is.... a problem. These problems apply to many if not most of the games released during the last 4 years.

[@thedreadedgman]

I hope this means Battle(non)sense is back for good!! I missed your excellent detailed content

[@trooper-jarhead1930]

HE IS BACK

[@HDImYourMind]

Thank you for coming back! I really missed your videos!

[@ballsconsumer77]

THE GOAT IS BACK

[@Th3BadThing]

Dude, you make this stuff so simple to understand even for a thicky dumb dumb like me, brilliant!

[@Davinmk]

that’s the thing, you can’t make it simple

[@Scooged]

It's a good day when Battle(non)sense posts a video.

[@nanovoidalt]

When we needed him most, he returns. Thank you Chris o7

[@albi2k88]

OMG he's back