AMD's AFMF 2 Frame Generation Is Actually Pretty Good?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

The latency numbers were unticked in the AMD Overlay and I noticed it too late. Sorry about that. For those interested the added latency in Cyberpunk was around 8ms. The added latency in Dragon's Dogma 2 and Palworld was about 10ms. These numbers are based on the AMD overlay. AFMF 2 stands for AMD Fluid Motion Frames, and it's a driver-level frame generation technique. Unfortunately it's not perfect as it is not game aware, so it doesnt have access to motion vectors, meaning that some UI elements might become garbled. Still, AFMF 2 is pretty good, and very useful in certain situations.

[@VilczekWarr]

AFMF2 is goated. Using it with my 240hz MSI monitor and 7900 xtx in 1440p to double basically any game to cap my refresh rate. CP2077 even in raster in 240 hz is something to experience trust me

[@AstroAvenger]

It's way better than AFMF 1, works great on Jedi Survivor, the frame gen lag was cut in half.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, latency is better, it doesnt disable itself during fast motion, definitely a huge upgrade over AFMF 1.

[@DesocupadoXtremo]

was thinking specifically about this game, i tried Lossless Scalling but Cal's head was blurring for some reason, gonna try AFMF now

[@miladtirdad584]

it's all good till you go to koboh ( specially near the town or in pyloon). even aggressive fsr or lower settings won't keep me at 60 in broken places in jedi surviver. and i have a damn 6800xt!

[@AstroAvenger]

@@miladtirdad584 What CPU do you have?

[@miladtirdad584]

@@AstroAvenger 12100. i know it's not good for 6800xt. haven't upgraded since i had rx 580 and 900p monitor XD

[@RuanLFC]

For driver level frame gen its insanely good

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah agreed. And so much better than AFMF 1 too. I can definitely find a use case for this.

[@TerraWare]

AFMF has come a long way, I always found the image quality to take quite a hit when panning the camera but does better the higher base FPS you have, which imo makes it ideal for high refresh rate displays. It can be particularly challenging to show exactly how it looks on a video too with a 60 FPS limit on YT

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah indeed. I wouldnt recommend this when a game already has a decent FSR Frame Gen implementation, but there are some scenarios where it can be quite useful, and is a big step up from AFMF 1.

[@s4yto]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews fsr implementation will always be better since afmf is simply on a driver level

[@AuroraElowin]

@@s4yto for cyberpunk i find afmf to be better than the fsr 3 they implemented recently. I find them to be more stable and produce better image quality, to my eyes at least. But I find this to apply only for cyberpunk since their implementation for fsr 3 sucks and they didnt even bother implementing the latest one fsr3.1

[@s4yto]

@@AuroraElowin of course the official fsr 3 implementation is ass, you should use a mod for fsr 3.1 upscaler and frame generation instead, wayyyy better

[@XDDX_NZ]

Good example with Palworld since that game doesn't support FSR and ran kind of poorly on AMD from what I remember. The artifacting is really dependent on the game/engine, it feels like they tuned it well to games like Cyberpunk and UE5 games. It's a nice feature to have since it's just in the driver, hope they can make it even better with an AFMF3 or something like that, I wasn't really sold on AFMF1 but I'm happy they improved it. Btw there is a 'frame gen lag' setting for the AMD overlay which can show the added latency from AFMF so you can put a number to the extra input lag.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, I still think it is situational, but it can definitely help in those situations. Cyberpunk is actually very enjoyable when using XeSS + AFMF 2 as the built-in FSR 3 Frame Gen is just horrible. Thanks for the reminder. After I made the video live I checked to make sure everything is fine and saw that I didnt tick the Frame Gen latency in the overlay... It's a new system I built this week so I did forget about one or two settings unfortuantely :( Thanks for watching though, appreciated!

[@mal_yar]

I'm very happy to use afmf in Baldur's Gate 3, where in this kind of game I think it performs very cool, especially since I'm using VSR and I need a full screen. The game just feels nice, but not the same as with lossless scaling, although afmf has almost no artifacts (I didn't notice) where there is no crosshair. I think it can also be used in competitive games where FPS is high, but it can drop in some cases, especially since there is almost no impact on performance

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, BG3 is actually a good example yeah. No really fast movement, no crosshair, and slower paced.

[@shotgunsunday9329]

Thank God skneone knows about using the amd overlay so you can actually see what's going on. I have a 6800xt gonna make a similar video I guess to see what kind of improvement I get. Cheers mate.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Lol. I didnt realize it was a thing of people not knowing, but it does explain a lot of comments I got on my previous AFMF video. Will check out your channel too 👍

[@SuperMickyChow]

I've got exactly the same GPU and i was expecting to have to upgrade soon, but AFMF 2 has made me reconsider & saved me a bunch of cash. Thanks, AMD!

[@elu5ive]

AFMF2 works even BETTER if you have an integrated graphics unit in the CPU. it can use it to offload some of the frame generation, so there's almost no performance cost

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I am trying to get my hands on something like an 8600G or 8700G and then I'll put it to the test as well. Seen many people say this, and actually saw a video of it working very well in conjunction with an AMD iGPU.

[@elu5ive]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews any regular zen 4 (besides 7500f) would do the job too AND would compute better because of more cache, which makes 7600 a great budget choice. personally I will go with 7700 for my next build, because the price difference between these two is small, but the difference between 7700 and 7800x3d is huge

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah indeed. I am looking for a 8700G for other reasons too, not just for this specific test, but we'll see. Might end up with just a 7600X as well.

[@ConnorH2111]

​@@elu5ive you cant use AFMF with a 7000 series iGPU.

[@elu5ive]

@@ConnorH2111 no one claimed otherwise. we've been talking about a hybrid config where the igpu is an addition to a dedicated one, if you didn't get that yet

[@JOTIXOXO]

AMF2 is not only applying frame generation, it is algo applying FSR2, so the cost on the base fps is not that high

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

There are a few ways to enable it. The method I used in the video does not enable any upscaling. But if you use profiles it can enable Image Scaling. It's best to rather use upscaling in game settings though.

[@pcgameshardware867]

Awesome look at the AFMF 2 MPR

[@benvideokid]

I was testing this on tdu solar crown last night and i decided to turn on ultra setting 4k taa vrr anti lag and fluid frames 2 and as long as there are no major frame drops in a sudden manner, i was getting a 60fps experience with no difference in controller lag that was perceived. It was a great update and i feel like my two year old card just got a new life

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

If you play with a controller the additional input lag is even less perceptible, so it makes for a very good experience.

[@west5385]

Why do u think CDPR implemented FSR so bad in this game? Why did they not add FSR 3.1? fsr 3 is still using fsr 2.2 upscaling which is worse than 2.1 and that is why they kept FSR 2.1 in the game. I think CD Projekt Red has Nvidia's balls in their mouth thats why they screwed over AMD users like myself. Also its nice to see a fellow South African on here. Keep it up👍

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Appreciate you stopping by. As I told someone else it's really nice to see so many South Africans finding my channel! As for CDPR's FSR 3 implementation, I can only guess. It does seem strange that they would risk further damaging their reputation, considering the game launched in a pretty rough state and they spend years getting it to where it is now. But nothing is impossible. Perhaps they just thought to implement it halfheartedly and call it a day as so many people were asking for it. Either way it really is a slap in the face of AMD users for sure, especially considering that FSR 3.1 is actually very good, especially the frame gen aspect of it. I am mostly an Nvidia user, and in games that support FSR 3.1 I use DLSS for upscaling and then FSR 3.1 Frame Gen as it is really good. Sucks that they couldnt implement 3.1 here.

[@bnbnism]

Wait how is fsr 2.2 worse than 2.1 I thought it had better image quality and like a single frame diff

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

@@bnbnism No idea how that works, but you can check Cyberpunk yourself to test this. It has the option to choose between FSR 2.1 and FSR 3.0. FSR 3.0 still uses FSR 2.2, and in Cyberpunk especially there is quite a big difference, and FSR 2.1 looks better.

[@AsthmaQueen]

when i was playing around with this in their preview driver, i saw that it worked well however frame times would become much less stable, and would notice more microstutter in games i tested it in.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I saw another video a few weeks back where this was the case, so I was curious to see if it persisted. It seems to be quite a bit better in the latest driver. Do you have a specific game where there was an issue? Maybe I can test that as well.

[@zakb7418]

after my lossless scaling get bug idk why my game not in full screen but half black.. I try afmf 2 in space marine 2 high setting with base fps 30-40fps i'm surprise felling smooth .. If they improvement little bit with graphic improvement in afmf2 this gonna be game changer for amd

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, if they continue this trend it'll be great to see what the next version is capable of.

[@warnacokelat]

It is good. Much more improved compared to the previous version.

[@smokejumper749]

Ive used afmf2 since the testing build came out and i gotta say its amazing especially for games like squad or strategy games. Finally a worhwhile amd exclusive feature! Its a very good reason to go for team red imo.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, I had many doubts about AFMF 1 but this iteration is definitely usable in quite a few scenarios. I'd obviously recommend using a game's built-in frame gen if it has, but this is great for older games or indies that will never get upscaling or frame gen implemented.

[@Floren_Andro]

For some reason it is recommended to set search mode to high and Performance mode to quality from 1440P. You haven't done it and you're still complaining that the pointer in cyberpunk and other AFMF2 adverse effects appear...

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

When set to automatic on this system it sets search mode to high and performance mode to quality... I have tested it with manual settings compared to Automatic prior to making the video. Also, nowhere did I complain. I simply pointed it out so that people are aware that there will be artifacts when using AFMF.

[@bobbymois]

AFMA 2 is really good but i dont understand why Lossless Scaling feels way smoother then AFMA 2.

[@obaidrehman2868]

yeah exactly. playing gow ragnarok i was using lsfg yesterday i tried afmf 2 it looks good but during combat afmf2 is slightly laggy as compared to lsfg but image quality on afmf 2 is little better

[@jeke8413]

After switching AFMF to high and quality, It's just as good these days.

[@ClumsyMercenary]

finally something amd does better than nvidia

[@riendodiablo2339]

its important to know thats your experience with afmf2 would be much better if your normal fps is much higher. try to get at least stable 60-80fps or higher and then turn on afmf2 and enyo a much smoother experience.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah 100%. I always say that, but completely forgot to mention it here. Aim for at least 60 fps before enabling any kind of frame gen for the best experience. The higher your base framerate the better the experience will be.

[@theashenone9703]

AFMF 2 for me is not so great because of the tearing (You can easily see it in Palworld, I tested AFMF2 in AC Valhalla and it occured too). I have a monitor with freesync and it's unacceptable for me. I don't see tearing while using Lossless Scaling FG and sometimes there are less artifacts depending on the game. Basically having those alternatives it's better to check how it acts in specific games.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

The screen tearing in my video is because my capture card only supports 60Hz input. Anything over 60 fps will show tearing on the capture card. On my 165hz panel I enable v-sync + freesync and cap my framerate to 79 fps, so that with AFMF it runs at max 158 fps and then there's no tearing. But I agree, AFMF is very situational.

[@jeke8413]

I run AFMF 2 w/ high and quality option no matter the resolution. It's near perfect in EFT and The Forever Winter, only 8-10 ms of latency. I'm using it more than Lossless frame generation these days.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I think it's also a bit easier to use than Lossless as it's just a simple toggle. And it's great for games that dont support frame gen or upscaling natively.

[@jeke8413]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews True. And LSFG will always have a special place in my heart, but for any DX 11/12 games, AFMF 2 is the way to go.

[@kami_sama0803]

intresting video bro

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Thanks man, appreciate it!

[@1Grainer1]

CP is very bad with amd, they couldn't care less about implementing things, fsr 2.1 is getting worse by the version and 2.2 in fsr 3.0 is even worse somehow, it is nvidia showcase after all, i just don't get why they implemented xess 1.3, since it doesn't make sense why they didn't go with fsr 3.1 from what i get, AFMF frames can only be caught with capture cards since it's just pushed to display, that's why no AFMF footage will show any artifacting unless captured at output amd made tool to measure input latency, you could try it to measure AFMF 2 latency, compare it to FSR 3 in CP for example and even lossless scaling, would be good content

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

CDPR really messed up with the FSR FG implementation. It's so dusappointing. I actually do use a capture card for all my footage, so it helps in that regard. Unfortunately the multiple layers of compression it goes through before it hits your screen via KZbin tanks the quality of the small details, so it's harder to see. Yeah, that's a good idea for a video. I was telling someone else I am working on doing a video on AFMF vs Lossless Scaling vs FSR FG vs DLSS and compare visual fidelity as well as latency.

[@1Grainer1]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews i was looking at reticles, and i did see them disappear from time to time, so i wasn't sure if it was game issue or it was recorded using capture card, but compression did hide ghosting so i was more leaning on the in-game problem side darktide recently implemented FSR 3.1, overall it was bad, and even FG needs game reset, so same thing that happened in CP best FSR implementations are made by nixon with PS 5 ports, other than that, there's always problems with something, in most cases you want to use mods, which mostly do perfect or almost perfect job other video content could be FSR reactive masks, you can check it on GPU open, it's for translucent items, which are not affected by vectors, so you can consider them gifs that loop a video, for example holographic ad in game that in most cases will be butchered by FSR, but with that, it shouldn't be included in that upscale

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, I saw a video about Darktide and it looked a real mess. Same as with the first FSR 3 implementation in Avatar. And for sure, the Nixxes ports are really done well when it comes to FSR FG. I actually use DLSS Quality + FSR FG in Horizon and Ghost of Tsushima as the frame gen portion of FSR 3.1 is really good.

[@roVer.11]

thats basically just what lossless scaling on steam does

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Kinda, but there are differences. AFMF automatically enables Anti-Lag, trying to reduce input latency, and it also works with more output configurations. For example Lossless requires Fullscreen mode the last time I checked, so it might not work in some games. But fundamentally they do the same thing.

[@Fezzy976]

MSI AB reporting 70"ish"% CPU usage but AMD overlay reporting 100% CPU UTIL???

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

AMD reports CPU usage differently. I think it kinda reports it similar to GPU usage, and not necessarily per core percentage usages.

[@justfun5479]

Nah bro, i will never use fake frames. I prefer to set lower settings.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, that's fair. Some people dont like frame generation at all. I personally really like it but it's down to personal preferences for sure!

[@Akash-qw3iu]

This technology is useful if you are already getting above 60-70 fps, then it feels very smooth. I am playing Gta V at 160 locked fps with afmf 2, my monitor is 165hz, and it feels very fluid and there are no visible artifacts. But if you are getting below 50 fps in a game then it will stutter and you will see visual artifacts and tearing.

[@Subhadip-om1sm]

Shut up retard

[@AuroraElowin]

its not all magic. It requires you to have 60 fps and above and proper frametime in order to fully enjoy frame gen. If you have lower than 60 fps or have shitty frametime, only then you will get artifacts and such. Its useful for singe player games.

[@aswadevg]

which cpu are you upgrading to?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Just a 12700K for this system for a slight bump. I also still have my q4600K bench system.

[@Spectrulight]

fellow South African

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Getting quite a few Saffas on the channel now, it's great to see!

[@aaldrich1982]

Great video mate

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Thanks bud, appreciate it 🙏 Always nice seeing the Twitter folk on here.

[@wombatchelsea23]

Please use* afmf responsibly *Use with chill

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I would agree, if I knew what witch chill was 🤣 Typo?

[@Spiritual_Machines_Gaming]

i tried it on Diablo IV and my system completely crashed though this might have been a Vram issue. It works very well on FFVII remake i was getting around 180fps on a AMD 6600.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, I think it still has some kinks to sort out in some games. Glad it worked well in FF7 though, as the FF games can be quite GPU heavy.

[@Spiritual_Machines_Gaming]

Should I even mention the 300+ fps I was getting in Dragon Age Inquisition? I know it's an older game, but the amount of clutter on screen in the game rivals most games nowadays. also in a game where you have to command prompt to unlock the cutscenes from 30fps. AFMF2 has the cut scenes at 120fps but gameplay is still 300+ and it only uses about 4GB of vram on my system

[@terrancecloverfield6791]

I wonder if AFMF2 results in less latency compared to DLSS 3?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

It's about the same on my system. I pinned a comment stating the added latency numbers, and on average it adds about 10ms. I saw pretty much the same with DLSS 3 FG in most games.

[@stefanomacchi1977]

6800xt with fsr3+fg+afmf2 = 190 fps in 1440p with quality FSR3....

[@SrUnr3al]

Frame gen looks better on controller games.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, feels better too as you are less inclined to notice the input latency.

[@sjgghosh7677]

Amd's software now is far better... I can use fsr + afmf 2 on old unoptimize games like watch dogs 2 ... Also u can even use afmf2 on top of games frame gen .. the input lag is lower than the game without frame gen

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, this is exactly what AFMF is for. Older games that dont get official frame gen updates. It's not perfect, but works quite well in certain scenarios.

[@samyt681]

Elden Ring doesnt work well because it forces Vsync, any way to fix that without playing offline with custom modding.,

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Unfortunately not, the only way to uncap the framerate in Elden Ring is with a mod.

[@rockyrocks6346]

How you getting 90+ fps at 1440p high xess quality setting. This doesn't seem right.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

What's not right about it?

[@notmandolorian]

Is this worth it for 1080p native no upscaling?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I'd say so yeah. I'd prefer this over upscaling at 1080p to be honest, depending on the game, and also what your base framerate is. If you can get 60'ish FPS without it then it should work well enough.

[@roki977]

few days ago just for fun i cranck everything up in cp2077 even PT on 1440p with FG, FSR 3 perf. and got 60 to 70 fps on 7800xt. If i did that with 1st AFMF AND FSR2 before latest patch it would look like dog shit. Now with FG it look like x10 better and i dont see where all the rant about FSR 3 and FG in that game comes from. Its insane that you can get that fps on 7800xt with PT and not looking like dog shit. Even with 4k and some RT i get 70 to 90 fps on 7800xt with fsr 3 and FG and it looks far from crap. Someone did heavy pixel peeping on some bad spot again to shit on it...

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

My issue with it was FSR 3 looked worse than FSR 2.1, and the frametimes were all over the place. If they implemented FSR 3.1 it wouldve been great. But yeah, 70-80 fps with PT is really not bad at all!

[@roki977]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews That bcs fsr 2.1 was already looking quite great in that game. I would struggle to find flaws with 4k performance. For real like, flickering on some neon panels but only from far away and only things like that. Ofc overall it looks softer than 4k and less up. but dlss does as well. I do not take screen shots and pixel peep, its not stills photography its gaming.. Everything is on my yt...

[@CongaMaiDau76463]

Today I got update 24.9.1 can use AFMF2 Let me ask why when I turn on AFMF2, the FPS drops severely? (I play the game GOW RAGNAROK 4K SCALE 2K ULTRA SETTINGS) And let me ask another question, in the video when you turn on AFMF2, is the FPS on the left or right correct? Tks.

[@Ladioz]

I wonder when the hell AMD is planning to fix their inaccurate overlay? especially when it comes to CPU. MSI says 61% usage AMD says 99% usage

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, CPU usage is hit and miss here, but the funny thing is on one of my other systems the CPU usage shows correct. But 2 of them show 100% usage when it's not even close to that.

[@Godmode_ON24]

AMD calculates CPU usage and clock in a different way than MSI afterburner. I don't remember the details but I had researched it and it's intended behavior, not a bug.

[@Ladioz]

@@Godmode_ON24 Well it makes sense because when a game like cyberpunk or starfield feels heavy, the cpu usage is hitting 90 or 95%. when a game is smooth, it shows 30% usage

[@SamirOtaku]

well, if you would ask me i would prefer AMD overlay cause MSI calculate CPU usage in numbers of threads not cores which a thing 99% of games can't utilize all threads at the same time so yeah that's when it hits CPU Bound and still wondering why since it still under 50 or 60% in MSI Afterburner, not quite sure if that the case but it's similar to what I said

[@Ladioz]

@@SamirOtaku Alot of times on my 7700XT and 5800X3D the AMD overlay says that my cpu is at 90 to 99% usage. it pisses me the hell off. makes me feel like my cpu is outdated or something. or maybe it's the graphic card's problem

[@yodamiszcz1700]

3:14 huh when I enable AFMF 2 it doubles my framerate but doesn`t show it is active

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Strange...could just be a reporting bug?

[@ProtoType4588]

it requires directx 11 or newer vulkan i cant tell much of haven't tested afmf 1 worked with vulkan but there was talk about the vulkan support situation and i did not search afterwards about more info that said if your game ain't directx 11 you can use dgvoodoo2 on lower directx titles say you want to use afmf 2 on a directx 9 title due to how dgvoodoo works you can translate it to directx 11 or even 12 for directx 8 you can use like a directx 8 to 9 translater then dgvoodoo2 to translate it further yes a very frankenstein way to do things if vulkan works then dxvk is another solution to get afmf 2 working

[@HorrorVibe8694]

why your cpu away 100% ? is that normal for AAA game ?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

The AMD overlay reports CPU usage differently. For actual CPU usage look at the overlay on the top left.

[@guijiaqing]

Able to compare AFMF2 with it's main competitor - Lossless Scaling?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, working out the logistics around it. Want to do Lossless vs AFMF vs FSR 3 FG vs DLSS 3 FG if I can.

[@bob-ps2dn]

have you tried lossless scaling? its on steam and i always used it due to how it barely causes any artifacting or ghosting as long as the fps is over 70, latency is increased but barely noticeable on my end

[@andykuo2070]

That's not a real frame generation

[@braukwood925]

@@andykuo2070it’s very much the same thing as what AMD is doing. Both use frame interpolation, Nvidia is the only one generated actual frames.

[@braukwood925]

From my own testing and what I’ve read online lossless scaling still has better image quality and smoothness over AFMF2 but the latency is really damn good with AFMF2 which is the main thing lossless scaling struggles with.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I have yeah, and it's also useful. I do think that AFMF 2 has lower input latency penalties than Lossless Scaling. I stand to be corrected, but lossless scaling also only works in Fullscreen mode, right? Or at least the first versions I tested did.

[@JohnnyBoy-sy8jt]

@@braukwood925 "Nvidia is the only one generated actual frames." not sure what you mean by this, DLSS Frame Generation are not "real frames" either

[@TinfoilTimmy]

Afmf 2 makes me want an iGPU. Imagine the frame generation with no performance hit whatsoever

[@randomusername982374]

You still need base frames of at least 60fps

[@TinfoilTimmy]

@@randomusername982374 well yeah, and then the iGPU handles the frame gen, with no frame gen load on the dGPU, sick!

[@navdeepsingh3508]

I like the tech but more of this style tech comes, the more devs will get lazy with optimisation, this type of tech should be only limited to last gen or 2 and not available on new gen. Look at mh wilds requirments, they expect frame gen on at 1080p with 4060ti. Sure 4060ti isn't great but 60 series is the most popular and back in day 1060 was good for everything that came out.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, Monster Hunter Wilds really put this in the spotlight. And not in a good way. Frame Gen to reach 60 fps will be horrible!

[@gamesk6476]

I tried AFMF 2 in many games but they feel worse than playing without it... maybe it's a bug or something? I don't have this problem when using Lossless scaling

[@TheJellyYogurt]

1080p?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Interesting. I had quite the opposite experience with Lossless Scaling, but it can vary wildly between systems and setups I have seen.

[@gamesk6476]

@@TheJellyYogurt 1440P

[@gamesk6476]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Idk what's causing the problem, every review of AFMF 2 I've seen is positive but for me it makes the games almost unplayable... I think I'll reinstall the drivers. I am really unlucky with these frame gen apps/drivers... first Lossless scaling wouldn't work on the primary monitor (works well on my secondary monitor) and now AFMF 2 making games almost unplayable.

[@onuraslan2513]

@@gamesk6476got the same problem here with the rx 7800xt. After i enable afmf2 in hogwarts legacy or rdr2, it feels really bad and slow even tough it says that i’m getting around 150-170fps in both games, it really feels like i’m playing in 50 or 60fps.

[@awesomeeater1148]

currently using this to play farcry 6 on ultra at 240 fps on my rx 6800

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Far Cry games are actually a good use case for this tech for sure.

[@H786...]

the only important benchmark was latency ...

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I provided the latency numbers in the pinned comment.

[@H786...]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews thank you

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

You're welcome 👍

[@krspy1337]

hm, i found out that AFMF 1 and 2 doesnt work for me unless i disable Resizable Bar but then i dont know if i have fully working AFMF, its smoother but has that blocky frame interpolation, AMD drivers in nutshell...

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I actually had so many issues with this GPU since I got it 2 weeks back and was on the verge of returning it when the new drivers dropped. 99% of my issues disappeared with the latest driver. The last time I had this many issues with an AMD GPU was with my 6900XT back in 2022, beginning of 2023. It really is annoying because you dont know whether it's a driver issue or if the GPU is faulty 🤦‍♂️

[@krspy1337]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews on god, RX 6600 XT is my first dGPU since i was rocking laptops all my life and I'm kinda disappointed with it altough it's kinda my fault aswell, I bought it like 2 years ago where it was freshly after crypto boom so the prices were high but they were dropping and since there were lots of rumours about prices going up again i bought it when it was pretty affordable for me (2300 PLN) now it costs around 1000 PLN and starts to decline in latest games

[@alger-y3q]

but why the base fps drop from 90fps to 70fps ? is afmf2 GPU instive ?

[@stopcallingmesid]

yeah framegen is done on the gpu. if im correct nvidia said it was "supposed" to be used in cpu bound scenario's when they first revealed it.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

It does have overhead yeah. Same as Lossless scaling. FSR 3 FG and DLSS FG also have overheads, that's why it doesnt exactly double your framerate.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah indeed. It works much better in CPU bound scenarios.

[@Spectrulight]

@@stopcallingmesid didn't know afmf was made by nvidia 😂

[@stopcallingmesid]

@@Spectrulight no but they brought the current idea of framegen to the masses.

[@MindBodyAndSoul1996]

how to show AMD fps counter

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Ctrl+Shift+O (oh, not zero)

[@virgilio2402]

How you turn on the right fps metrics?

[@sjgghosh7677]

Adrenaline....Go to the performance tab ... Overlay (the one at the right)..turn on overlay

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

This. Or if you want to use shortcuts, press CTRL+Shift+O to toggle it on and off.

[@firestroke6240]

can i use AFMF 2 in fps games, or its add some latency to the game?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

It does add a few milliseconds of input latency yeah. About 8-10 ms, depending on the framerate. I personally use DLSS Frame Gen in most games and I have no issues with it, except in online shooters.

[@pablowolff6028]

how can i activate this in God of war ragnarok?

[@vdfritzz]

how can i not get awful vsyncing artifacts with afmf2?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I use v-sync and then cap my framerate to just under half of my monitor's refresh rate. I use a 165Hz panel, so in RTSS I put an fps cap of 79, which then goes up to 158 fps with AFMF enabled. If you only have a 60hz monitor I would recommend not using frame generation as it will result in terrible input lag when v-sync is enabled, and anything above 60 fps will cause screen tearing.

[@jeke8413]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Doesn't v-sync adversely affect AFMF 2? Why not use Chill to cap the frames?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

You can do that too. My cap is just below my v-sync threshold so I never hit the v-sync limit in this case. I just always leave v-sync on for other games where I use FSR 3.1 FG, and then just cap my frames using RTSS when using AFMF.

[@jeke8413]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Makes sense

[@mikeekim242]

Or game makers could do a better job.

[@miladtirdad584]

bro please tell me how you don't have any micro stutters? how's that line flat and your footage is smooth? i have a 6800xt (but weaker cpu, 12100) and i can't fix my damn game. fsr, afmf1 & 2 lower settings, undervolt and oc nothing fixes it. i played it since last year with rx 580 in 900p, rx 5700xt in 900p and 1440p and now 6800xt in 1440p and my fkin frames are never smooth like tsushima or doom. cp2077 is my top1 game in 23 years of gaming and this shitty frame pacing is killing me. please help me if you can and you know the fix.

[@miladtirdad584]

fyi with afmf2 when you driving and no one chasing you the game is like butter. but the second you get out of the car or hit a cop stutters attack you like max tac. also my crowd density is on low.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Hey man, you arent going to like what I have to say haha. Unfortunately your CPU is holding you back in Cyberpunk. It is a very CPU intensive game, and 4 core CPUs do struggle with it. I remember even back when I had a 9600K it was a stutterfest.

[@miladtirdad584]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews @Mostly_Positive_Reviews i thought the difference between 12100 and 12400 is very minimal (fps tests in yt says so). didn't know that it could fix my best ever game or even other cpu heavy games like space marine 2. ty really for tge advice. changing my cpu to 12400 wouldn't be expensive at all. it doesn't even need bios update. i will upgrade it as soon as possible fingers crossed. maybe my beloved cp2077 finally gonna run well.

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

@@miladtirdad584 In general there is not that much of a difference, except in games that utilize more than 4 cores. You'll see that your CPU usage is probably pegged at 100% all the time with the 12100F, and that is what is causing the stuttering.

[@miladtirdad584]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews actually yes. testing it right now. although it's locked at 60fps with rtss i have about 70% cpu usage idling in dogtown. goes up to 95% when running and dashing. gpu usage barely touches 61% at times XD awful. probably gonna explode if i turn crowd density to normal or high XD. i hope 2 more cores help me with cp2077, jedi surviver and other cpu hungry games. i feel embarrassed with my cpu gpu combo. I'm wasting a 6800xt.

[@exoticspeedefy7916]

DLSS frame generation is a bit better in my opinion. I tested it with a mod that allows you to use it on AMD card in Cyberpunk 2077

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, in-game frame gen techniques are generally much better. This is just useful for games that dont have frame gen and for people who dont necessarily want to use mods.

[@iam_veeee]

how did you record afmf 2. when i do it it didn't appear in the video

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I use a 2nd PC and capture card for all my recordings. That way it captures everything without a performance hit.

[@iam_veeee]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews i see, may i know what capture card you're using? Thank you

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, sure. I use an Elgato 4K60 Pro MK2 that I bough off a retiring streamer 2nd hand for $150.

[@haru-kun6495]

Why does my Afmf 2 reduce my Base frame rate in Msi afterburner overlay?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Because it does have overhead. It uses some of the GPU power to generate the frames. That's why the more CPU bound you are the better it works. I did mention this in the video.

[@haru-kun6495]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews I never tried this before. But in your own personal experience can you really say that the frames are much smoother when its turned on?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Yeah, it definitely increases motion fluidity and it looks like 120 fps instead of 60. There are some artifacts, and input latency is higher than true 120 fps, but there are some good use cases for this for sure.

[@toosboolsid5991]

try in wukong please

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

In Wukong I would recommend using the game's built-in frame gen rather. But I'll test it anyway and update you here.

[@5daysago823]

Gtx Garbage or what?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

I dont understand?

[@5daysago823]

@@Mostly_Positive_Reviews Is this only for ADM cards?

[@Mostly_Positive_Reviews]

Ah okay. Yeah, it's built into the AMD driver suite, so only for AMD cards.