AMD’s Moving Past PCs

[@UFDTech]

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[@TwstedTV]

mrwhostheboss on YT said on several of his videos that Samsung phones tend to have severe battery problems because they inflate. He has reviewed well over 2 dozen of Samsung phones and found all of them damaged due to batter ballooning. So thats one major reason why I dont buy samsung phones. He showed even new ones from 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 all got damaged due to battery ballooning.

[@Muhammad-sx7wr]

Nice to pay for your own spyware.

[@donjaime_ett]

$350 for a windows thin client is ridiculously expensive. Even a raspberry pi 5 would give you so much more utility for a lot less.

[@GetFitEatRight]

Yea this could easily be a $99 arm based SOC another DOA Microsoft idea.

[@bracusforge7964]

+ the windows 365 subscription fees

[@ShahanJagus]

​@@GetFitEatRight I completely agree. However we both know people will still buy it.

[@ProbablyNotAChicken]

@@GetFitEatRight That's what you think, but i promise corporate greed always wins in today's age. It's not marketed towards anyone who actually cares about it being $350.

[@cybernit3]

@@bracusforge7964 Ya, how much will the subscription fees cost monthly?

[@Ram84_1]

Who'd want to fork out $350USD for a cloud device which is a privacy nightmare. They don't want us to OWN our OWN PCs by the way they''re heading

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Uhh bud you can still build your own PCs if you don't want too their always locked down macs 😂

[@Ram84_1]

@@kirby21-xz4rx true that haha, Apple be like we'll charge you USD$1200 for a entry level system

[@kushagraN]

Most people have to log onto remote VM's everyday. They used to be locally allocated & slow, Azure VDs have been a lot better for my firm & probably cheaper & easier for end user. Way better than connecting to the vpns & other bs. But still you need the peripherals over 350$ & a laptop just makes more sense as everything is covered under single warranty contract, especially since the source is in cloud & not local.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

@@Ram84_1 fr 💯😂

[@lucasmarciel1527]

What A drama.

[@fooferbob9230]

365 thin client: a solution looking for a problem.

[@jonny2085]

We use it for an alternative to VPN so people can connect to the network from a home device. This could be a simple device that you don’t have to reinstall windows on when a new user is hired

[@fooferbob9230]

@jonny2085 are you saying that it is a multi user solution for the whole office?

[@twistidclowns]

My employer will buy them but only replace random workstations. If a company has ever made a thin client we have one somewhere some poor sole uses daily.

[@NoNameTaken117]

Isn't this geared more towards corporations rather than regular people like you and me?

[@idan678]

like recall

[@fleurdewin7958]

10:25 AMD can actually design an smartphone SOC using ARM . They do have ARM license. So it doesn't have to be x86 arch.

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! I WANT X86-64 INSTRUCTION SET PROCESSORS FOR MOBILE!

[@howthereyou9227]

​@@AffectionateLocomotivewhy tho

[@fteoOpty64]

​@@howthereyou9227oh, like he needs a PowerBrick the size of a classic brick!😊

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

@@fteoOpty64 YES!

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

@@fleurdewin7958 i was a child when i had a insane idea. a T H I C K Brick connected to a display with some wires. The B R I C K has the machine innit.

[@mix3k818]

I mean, that was expected. AMD did always want to branch out to mobile devices.

[@allstones1462]

Are we getting atom flashbacks?

[@RedLine0069]

and they are supposably developing a Arm cpu code name "Sound Wave" or maybe not because sound wave was in fact a decepticon 🤣🤣

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

WOOOHOOOO COMPETITON FOR ARM!

[@PieMK6R]

​@@AffectionateLocomotive I'll still take a z1 extreme processor over that snap dragon laptops that cost 2k usd 😁

[@AffectionateLocomotive]

@PieMK6R 💀😭😭💀🔥

[@mvancsodi]

I think Microsoft is very on point with the pricing of the 365 Link. It seems mostly targeted at large enterprises. There are plenty of companies that already host all their development PCs in some kind of cloud-based solution, with the devices handed out to developers being used solely for running Windows Remote Desktop. For example, companies like Morgan Stanley and Ericsson use similar solutions. I believe having a thinner, purpose-built device for this enhances security and reduces configuration and deployment costs.

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Same 😂

[@Volnas97]

Yeah, I don't think it's targeted at individuals, it could make more sence for big companies, that would otherwise have to buy hundreds to thousands office computers.

[@CameronVanNatta]

A raspberry pi makes way more sense as a thin client, and it even lets you run some stuff locally on the side too!

[@MagicBrownMan]

for an individual you're right, but for businesses that use network accounts and those dell/hp/etc. thin clients, it makes sense to off load the central server/maintenance to Microsoft and just get one of these, if they already have office 365, teams, and other Microsoft integrations it makes even more sense from a business standpoint. The services for these might look expensive from an individual price point but the businesses are doing large contracts for all their employees/users and they get to replace expensive IT teams for just basic IT that just has to maintain network and clients connecting to network.

[@TheGameBench]

Microsoft when hearing news of Google being accused of being monopolistic with Chrome: Well, well, well... how the turn tables.

[@miruee]

*Qualcomm make Windows on ARM AMD : How about we make Android on x86

[@KevinEF]

I wish more people would use firefox... I've been getting people to swap over for a while, the manifest update helped

[@Hullbreachdetected]

I've been using it Firefox past 20 or so years.

[@zer0nix]

Kiwi browser seems faster and lighter

[@old_liquid]

Any time I was using firefox it was not getting faster that any chromium based one.

[@KevinEF]

@@old_liquid well, the browser benchmark Mozilla + Google + others made together showed Firefox being faster. Firefox has gotten faster over the years. So if you haven't tried it in 5 years, check it out.

[@imamangoo8632]

Target audience of 365 link is Corporates not normal people

[@ehenningsen]

Nice. Hurry up and get gud, AMD - we need you

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

I was excited when I first heard, but... it's gonna have AI in it 🤢

[@ehenningsen]

@Hardcore_Remixer AI means a DLSS-like upscaler. So that is positive

[@-validites-]

@@Hardcore_Remixer AI isn't always bad, AI upscaling will be good

[@Hardcore_Remixer]

@@ehenningsen But you can tell it will likely be used on Windows 11 ARM. You can tell it will use that AI by default. Or will it be different than the NPU from the Ryzen AI 300 series?

[@ranjitmandal1612]

💀

[@dev1lm4n63]

For $350 you can get a pretty good mini PC that actually works locally

[@Offheap]

@Bringus studio is gonna have a field day

[@RadeonVega64]

fr

[@kingzyjhiepelongco3593]

I do like AMD in the Phones to boost gaming performances compared to the SD series since the Phone Gaming is Evolving

[@arenzricodexd4409]

Nvidia tried that before with tegra and failed. Same with intel. When it comes to phone spec is useless if you did not have hardware based modem. The only soc maker have this are qualcomm and mediatek. And there is also royalties issues with qualcomm. Qualcomm do many licensing/cross licensing to other company related to wireless tech that they want royalties on each phone that being sold. So for phone maker that not using qualcomm chip they have to pay their soc supplier and then extra royalties to qualcomm. If they don't want this hurdle they need to buy into qualconm snapdragon package. The most recent issue we hears ia about Qualcomm going after asian phone maker called Infinix. Infinix are known to use mediatek chip only but Qualcomm still go after them to pay those extra royalties.

[@okamich.9797]

A friend had an Asus Zenfone with Intel Atom x86 chip in 2017 I believe. It behaved just like any other phone except it was hot & power hungry, ASUS mitigated that with a 5000 mAh battery ( crazy for that time). Ryzen on phones or rather higher end tablets would be interesting, especially when Google is finally bringing android to laptops and shifting ChromeOS to be android based as well. This could mean even more support for apps on x86. Most apps except most games are already present on android_x86.

[@paroxysm6437]

x86 just isn't great for phones in general. its been essentially almost completely phased out for that reason. AMD would have to bring some form of new ARM processor, which I don't have a lot of confidence in them doing

[@ThorsShadow]

​@@paroxysm6437AMD does have a ARM license IIRC. So they totally could.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

​@@paroxysm6437even if AMD make ARM based processor to be used for phones they will failed because they did not have modem/baseband IP. Even if they have one they will face another hurdle with qualcomm.

[@vanguard812-vf7hr]

Atom based tablets are ok. I had one around 2015 but eventually switch to Snapdragon few years later. Its just wasnt ready at the time. Thanks to Steam Deck and Z1 SoCs it will be way better now. If it can match Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 or even older 870 at less than 5 watts. I would get it.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@vanguard812-vf7hr performance not an issue. Maybe AMD can get some with tablet. But for phones no phone maker will want to use SoC without integrated hardware based modem. The only soc maker have this are qualcomm and mediatek.

[@matipousi8180]

AMD: Advanced Mobile Devices :D

[@Keanu-Y]

Advanced Micro Device was a perfect name

[@RadeonVega64]

​@@Keanu-Yfr

[@KK-bk8kj]

Would be cool to see AMD doing high performance RISC-V chip for smartphones.

[@00Drizz00]

11:30 I agree with Brett and you get to use that energy for two things instead of one.

[@dangychoice7800]

i think you and i have brain damage from brett

[@BrokeDad1]

Hope that new kiddo hurries up and gets here before the holiday. Best wishes to the whole family.

[@thenotred]

I remember when Intel was in the smartphone market. My dad had an Asus Zefone 5 with a dual-core Intel Atom inside of it.

[@gaiadrazer]

Somebody is going to run Doom on that Thin Client

[@victorkreig6089]

Of course they will, shit games can run on anything

[@KenshiroNS]

Amd going back into the phone market would be nice, i hope they revive there AMD LINK app

[@RadeonVega64]

fr tho

[@neilsimmons9582]

I remember a joke by Chris Rock sometime ago where he said the money isn't in the cure, it's in the medicine or the comeback. Every tech company is attempting to have people in subscriptions, it's becoming very old.

[@manmansgotmans]

I'm hoping AMD don't get too crazy with their card designs for UDNA. RDNA2 reference designs were absolutely beautiful, RDNA3 expanded on that by making them a little more futuristic, hopefully RDNA4 and UDNA follow the design

[@NicolasChapadosGirard]

I am not always here, just often and often on the twitch channel were I can get some peek on some eventual short videos and how the B rolls are made!

[@murdoch9106]

In the 90's in our school they had the older machines running as thinn clients, like 386 machines, pretty crazy that they were doing that back then... but it was pretty slow, barley usable and it was local I'm sure, not over the internet. They did that because I guess it was cheaper than having to buy lots of new PC's.

[@R3AL-AIM]

I'm an Android/Windows/Linux guy and always have been, but the new Mac Mini is appealing as someone who does do some video editing/photography and produces music. I don't think I'd need much more than the base model and an external drive.

[@RuffRhyno]

A mini-pc that provides no additional features… who is this for?

[@drjvoices]

Businesses I think, it looked more like something a business would have over a consumer

[@kirby21-xz4rx]

Not for you or me, businesses are going way this up 😂

[@frommatorav1]

Businesses like this. As an employee of a company that used that, it should be outlawed. They never gave us sufficient resources and it sucked big time. Since working from home, we are no longer using that. So much better using an actual computer with local resources.

[@alandiegovillalobos]

Would love AMD full on ARM with real game support.

[@mikerinkkleist6368]

always love your tech news =) watching from Greenland

[@dangychoice7800]

its brain damage

[@words_txt]

Reece not wearing a hoodie because we're heading into summer down here

[@MZRTMusic254]

10:08 the Exynos 1480 is doing pretty well

[@lastrusti.o4016]

True. My A55 doesn't overheat during long usage and gets to only 40-41° while hardcore pubg session for 2-3 hours. Plus the battery life is really good on this baby

[@lastrusti.o4016]

Plus no framedrops in pubg

[@superzoom15]

AMD want to figure out how to make their processors run super cool. They might take what they learn in the phone sector to make their processors more energy-efficient, possibly used in consoles?

[@ccd03c]

We used similar devices for a contact center I stood up. It was in the Philippines and the company wanted no local storage for security. So there is your use case. We used aws terminals though

[@ManTa-o5y]

Point is, it is OVERPRICED! If MS dropped $150-200 from the price then it would make it more attractive.

[@ccd03c]

Why are you yelling at me about the price? I was only talking about the use case

[@ManTa-o5y]

@@ccd03c Oh so stressing a word is "yelling" to you... Sorry... Karen. 😱

[@ManTa-o5y]

@@ccd03c Btw... I was pointing out that your argument is moot, due to the fact that it is OVERPRICED for its use case. There are currently other products on the market that have a lot more value, albeit more expensive.

[@ccd03c]

More sense please. Good price or not it is a use case. I’m not understanding why you choose to respond to me at all. Your comment can stand alone

[@brendenchilton1501]

If AMD makes smartphones. I hope they make both large smartphones and small smartphones. Small being 5.7 or 5.6 inch smartphones.

[@ironeleven]

If I remember right the PS5's launch was fairly close to the launch of Zen 3.

[@dreamsremain.2i2]

I can't wait for a stable version of windows on arm.

[@Joshua_Uwadiae]

9:32 there's no way x86_64 will ever be efficient enough for mobile

[@yerachmielb1]

7:11 does the new unified architecture use less power than previous versions, or are we starting to look at replacing our PSUs with generators now?

[@G7Animated]

I mean to be fair, the new iPhone 16 Pro is literally faster than my laptop

[@PredatoryQQmber]

8:50 If that will allow me to install my own Linux distro on the phone and cut down any Google dependency then I'll gladly buy one for all my friends, family and coworkers.

[@snek5596]

The Mac Mini, and iMac are both impressive for the price IMO, and are the main Macs I would recommend to anyone. "But what about Macbooks". This is where I push people to look at Framework.

[@floppa9415]

My Asus Intel Atom Smartphone : Finally a worth opponent. Our battle will be legendary. Also, yes, Intel Atom Android phones were a thing.

[@soymadip]

4:39 in this logic, shouldn't apple should do this with their things too?

[@RAZTubin]

The use case is IT departments that want a device to reduce maintenance costs while supporting thousands of workstations. What's the point of having a beefed-up desktop on every desk in an office when most of its capacity isn't even used? The feature that prevents users from installing their own applications is a dream come true for security managers.

[@snmdair]

Thin clients can go as high as $600 so $300 is pretty average for an entry level TC. For a large corporate environments TCs are awesome for your IT dept.

[@trashacc7124]

If ryzen SoC smartphones isn't camera focused phones, I'll take it

[@Mysticmunkie137]

We use similar pc slims at work. Just for office work and stream training vids.

[@Ladioz]

Can't wait for my phone to have an X3D chip

[@QVIS_CVSTODIET_IPSOS_CVSTODES]

I bought an entire mini PC, Alder Lake chip, 16 GB RAM, 512GB SSD, with windows included, for under $200. Brand new. What in anyone's right mind would convince Microsoft that this thing client is a "good idea?"

[@sinephase]

intel already tied x86 phones, it didn't go too well even though they ran fine

[@Bare_Essence]

You forgot the partridge in a pear tree port!

[@jonyngvesyland5461]

yeah i'll happily get an amd phone.

[@arenzricodexd4409]

@@jonyngvesyland5461 which is not going to happen due to how the modem/baseband market being dominated (and abused) by qualcomm. It is also the reason why intel failed in phone market before despite wasting billions on it.

[@Brutaltronics]

Yes please x86 phones!!! This is what I wanted to see

[@paroxysm6437]

why though x86 is garbage on mobile

[@SquishyBoi5463]

The mini PC has a decent use for cloud based offices they can just mail/hand it out and there you go, it has the same use as a laptop but less ease of use.

[@JackSQL]

2:24 You should look at the price of 10zig or Wyse terminals. In the market where MS is looking to enter here, their price is extremely competitive.

[@goldchris1111]

im currently using the qube flatpack its a fun case to build and is a decent case but for the price its not really there imo, a random $40-60 mid tower is just 100x better value overall unless you really need a usb-c port on the front panel

[@Dangy11997]

I hope amd does good in smartphone GPUs will be a good competition and prices will go low if they offer better performance than others with low prices

[@TheAsjdj]

Most thinclients are like 99-150 USD at max. This makes zero sense for what it is. You still need a Windows 365 plus a Azure setup. There was a reason why the thinclient was so cheap, the cost alone in servers and licens is insane.

[@Jwalk9000]

I don't know what companies might go for that 365 link, but that is the only thing I could see using that. Some big company, that has tens or hundreds of people that barely need a PC to do their job. Call centers maybe?

[@Nabenzoate]

I bet the 365 Link could play Doom

[@ps3301]

And is making arm based chip. X86 can't get into phone

[@arghyaprotimhalder5592]

AMD doing what Intel didn't entering the ARM and mobile device Market.

[@dgillies5420]

Qualcomm Adreno are actually Radeon-based GPUs, licensed form AMD. R,a,d, e,o,n = a,d,r e,n,o just move 'r' to the 3rd place and o to the 6th place to get 'adReno'. It's trivial to make smartphone compute chips. It's the baseband chips and handoff algorithms (which I used to work on) which are almost impossible to build and tune.

[@RamtinIrandost]

That looks so much like project keystone, that I wonder if some of the research and development was used here

[@xplayac]

You are not considering the enterprise use case. This is a security device. IT departments want to control what you can do on device to limit security attack surfaces. You are thinking about what you can do as a consumer. IT departments will be looking at how it can improve support. Could be also useful for work from home use cases. Also all the services, support, and security promises are being put into a product that is new. You are comparing it to apple which has set itself up in the supply chain as a mega contender that can bring prices down. This is one of those projects that need to not sink money and kick up another segment of the market that can have competing devices and prices will go down if it becomes a useful product.

[@harlycorner]

What happened to that UFD Deals guy's previous microphone? I'm just trying to figure out why you decided to downgrade the sound quality... ☹️

[@Fishsticks2dos]

The windows 365 link should have just been a thin and light laptop with lots of IO ports. At least it would be cable free that way.

[@R3AL-AIM]

I also REALLY dont like the idea of Chrome getting sold. I know Google does enough in using and selling our information, but let's not widen out that client list.

[@roanbrand7358]

Cache is always much faster than ram. Intel would have obviously seen a similar benefit from increased L3 cache, even with their monolithic CPU with "better" memory controller.

[@pardismack]

Chrome becoming its own company can never happen. Chromium is open-source, and you can't stop google from tinkering with it to present its own version of it like many other companies are doing.

[@Djoki1]

Id certainly like another competitor in the mobile chip space. Not a joke. The more options the better. AMD could kill it with gpu performance.

[@yofukashino_]

2:10 why not use raspberry pi instead of that??

[@jadonrecord6406]

Microsoft wants to go full out on cloud computing. Short term the cloud access is cheaper, but with all service plans they end up costing more in the end. But it will be interesting to see if it is reliable.

[@budthecyborg4575]

Continuing to use Zen4 in consoles makes perfect sense when Zen5 did nothing for gaming. I would not be surprised if Steamdeck2 is Zen4.

[@GonnerMeLeggies]

I have a feeling the Windows thin client will be a big hit with business. Quite a few people purchasing them will not understand or not care about the limitations and just push them due to pricing.

[@kel-leh]

No reason these would be preferred over dell wyse or hp think clients that can work with Citrix and 365 hosted virtual computers.

[@GonnerMeLeggies]

​@@kel-lehYeah I agree, but some may not go the better route and just decide to go with the ones direct from Microsoft

[@psionx1]

the big challenge to entering the smartphone market is that apple and Qualcomm basically have a monopoly on the technology that supports the major wireless networks. it's the reason intel had to drop out back in day. note you can make a cheap xiaomi phone work ok-ish on AT&T because they use mostly international grade GSM hardware. but support for advanced features like VoLTE and wifi calling tend to be broken. still it would be nice to see the featureless locked bootloader ecosystem around android/ios die. the best bet is that phones get dumbed down to being basic call+text+hotspot devices and have a AMD device as a Pocket Media Player.

[@BlackSmokeDMax]

Google: The gov't messing with this is just at the wrong time when we are needed most. Me: Google search has NEVER been worse. How was a google search so MUCH BETTER 20 years ago?!

[@CaponeBlackBusiness]

08:54 AMD SHIELD TV confirmed.

[@McCool117]

Haven't they already moved past PC's? I mean they've been a part of multiple console generations through the years.

[@kurtwinter4422]

You can buy, today, an N100 based desktop mini pc with 16gb of ram and a 512tb of ssd for about $150-200. It's faster than any quad core i5 before 2019.

[@fyinghigh1868]

I will definitely love to have an AMD SoC based phone, but they have to change their architecture from x86-64 to ARM somehow...

[@MrBaskins2010]

space heater is what i call my burrito farts. long live the 3080

[@Rabidpenquin1071]

Hey ,DOJ,now do Blackrock and Vanguard

[@coreycarpenter2489]

Is that a real scorpion in the background?

[@theoneyoudontsee8315]

the idea of streaming a os is like streaming games our internet is still not ready. simply more than 100 miles from a internet hub or one of the top 20 city's that have a direct link to these said hubs. its sad that since 2012 the United States average speeds and latency has not even doubled and the average ability to actually deliver gigabit speeds to a single customer any other time than 1am to 4 am is still less than 10%.

[@AVClarke]

Bald Brett going into his supervillain phase.

[@zickity4453]

If AMD makes a phone, I might actually look into that

[@dedededamanam4919]

Windows 365 Link is going to be a great comparessing product for apples new launches next year

[@Sakosaga]

People are hating on this Microsoft device but don't understand its not for your normal consumer stuff. It can be, but this will be sold to businesses. When i used to work at at&t we used devices like this tor daily work and connected to whatever servers we have. Anyone including bret saying weird things and even trying to compare it to the new mac mini is weird because this is a completely different class of hardware......

[@tobiramasenju7669]

AMD was probably like -Welp Intel gave up what now?? -IDK probably make a phonechips?? -Great Idea

[@rodneysherrill1248]

"Can't do nothing " Does that hurt you as much to say as it does me to hear?

[@bloomface9146]

A x86_64 android phone with windows support would be pretty cool😂

[@joeljoel122]

why would they try to split up google and not apple? their business practice are almost identical.

[@Sybertek]

Not only does this thin client cost $350 (before tax...), it has got so many limitations. It's e-waste on arrival.

[@daskampffredchen]

Literal ThinClients for 20$ on eBay are more useful

[@PostTraumaticSwagDisord3r]

Gamers are moving to Linux, Microsoft needs to capture some clients fast and what better way to do this than by forcing a device that takes away the choice of leaving MS behind, no storage, no Linux. Not a great move considering a Raspberry Pi can mop the floor with this thing.

[@superblitz]

365 link might be a good for business.

[@Aerobrake]

Does UDNA mean CDNA + RDNA, meaning hybrid support? Wow :D