🛑 AMD Wishes It Could Beat This CPU... 😱👑

[@ChildofLight777]

Now Timmy needs to move to Canada to stay competitive thanks to sanctions.

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

Bro! a 30% increase from simply Overclocking is Unbelievable! Good Job Dude!

[@LiveType]

This used to be standard ~10 years ago. Could buy not top shelf components overclock them to the max and save ~50% or more.

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

@@LiveType Heck yeah Man! My how times have changed.

[@lilililiililili6363]

@@NBWDOUGHBOY SORry to break it to you but intel 13th gen is just an "overclocked" 12th gen, 14th gen is the same but only 100mhz more. Still can't beat a stock 7800x3d though. It is amazing how good the market is.

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

@@lilililiililili6363 Depends on the game and Application being use. The 7800X3D is a great CPU. Its not the fastest in everything tho. There are options for every segment which is good.

[@latioseon7794]

I've been eyeing a B760 riptide and a locked 12th gen chip for exactly this type of experiment, its crazy how good these lower end parts can be if Intel just let them OC.. GJ Jufus!

[@thecandyman9308]

just built up my new rig w/ a i7-12KF w/ one of those thermaltake CPU frames and some thermal grizzly + artic freeze gel mixed (put too much primo griz on my delid GPU so had to swirl when I got to CPU hahahah). This joint running at 86F CPU! 🙌

[@TWsrt-pt3ow]

The most impressive thing is the single core performance of that 12400f, even at stock it destroys my tuned 10700k in the 1% lows

[@rozzbourn3653]

this reminds me of old school overclocking.

[@michaelsn8673]

Even the hair stopped listening to this guy. :)

[@JoeLegionTV]

You didn’t though 😂

[@darchandarchan7036]

i dont remember who said that, but Alder lake really turned out to be new Sandy Bridge. Cool out of the box, a lot of overclocking headroom. Does anything man could want

[@pascaldifolco4611]

Timmy is a Chinese spy he uses a Deepcool cooler ^^ Amazon delisted Deepcool products worldwide But it's impressive, Jufes created the 12400KS !!

[@defectiveclone8450]

Thats insane.. i can see why intel patched it for the 13400 and 14400 CPUs.. :) i think the 12100 and 12400 were and still are such great budget CPUs.. low power.. low temps and good performance. I use 54w TDP 12100 CPUs with stock intel coolers for ITX Office builds.. just flawless.

[@julienlauzon1106]

It's really sad because Deepcool was actualy releasing a lot of great product recently.

[@myamaha62]

This was known 2 years ago and many people got 30% without delidding. De8auer was one of the first if I remember correctly.

[@xlinnaeus]

Yep! Cool to see it still works w a board you can actually buy

[@winonesoon9771]

don't forget thermalright has dumb cheap coolers to

[@6r3ys0n]

They do and they've been releasing very good budget products but I wouldn't say their build quality is on par with Deep Cool. It's a shame

[@icuk7]

Yeah, for the price the new gen of Thermalright coolers go for, it's mind boggling how they sell them for so cheap. I recently built a work colleague a budget gaming PC using a B660M Mortar WiFi, 12600k, a Thermalright contact frame with a Silver Soul 135. It took a bit of fiddling to get the cooler brackets straight as the holes were slightly off. But once the brackets were lined up and the actual cooler was secured, that cooler kept the CPU under 80 degrees during 6 hours of Prime95 small FFT which is actually quite impressive for 25gbp shipped. Jufus's build is ridiculously cheap tho, hard to beat that price to performance even if you buy used parts!

[@thecandyman9308]

YO just built my first rig w/ a thermal cpu brack and my joint runnin at 85! kzbin.info?search_query=thermaltake+lga+1700+bracket

[@nuclearpcs2139]

I use the Thermalright Frost Commander for 7800X3d and it works excellently

[@AshtonCoolman]

Intel silicon degradation incoming!!!!

[@michaelthompson9798]

Reminds me of the good old Celeron 300A days 🤩💪🤤🥳! Despite owning a high end rig …. I love seeing these budget overclocking masterpieces and uploads. Thanks to the fellow supporters and Jufes for the great effort put into these videos😉👍

[@delfinigor]

This is like a Budget PC variant. You can buy THERMALRIGHT Phantom Spirit 120 SE. Almost the same performance as DeepCool for much less money. Although I would always choose a processor with integrated graphics. I think this video is a bit missliding. Because it does not use stock RAM from the link in the video description. You should have tried the Stock processor variant without delidding and without lapping and with RAM from the link in the video description. Because Timmy doesn't have tools or knowledge for delidding the processor. I bet the results would be different. Could the variant of this processor with integrated graphics be overclocked in the same way?

[@balkansrb5513]

I like to see i9 14900k playing games on only E cores just for fun

[@iDeparture]

​@@iLegionaire3755yeah it would perform like garage, even having then enabled in certain games or older ones causes stuttering and performance loss when just one ecore is allocated and being used mistakenly due to scheduling

[@bigpoppa1234]

I use process lasso to corral various processes, I didn't realise that if you limit the EA launcher, it then uses those settings to a game, so I was playing battlefield 2042 on four of my 14900k ecores.. I was still getting 80fps lol. Once I fixed it it was back to 160fps.

[@zee9709]

@@bigpoppa1234 did you have problem with that cpu now?

[@FIVESTRZ]

Going to need to add a #swolegang segment here if you keep up the good work in the gym brev

[@typen3k0]

Nice! Reminds me of a I5 2500K back in the day. Overclocking mid range intel CPU's with high clocking memory seems to be the way to go for budget builds.

[@anglchnn]

ram overclock on non-k intels since 12th gen is limited, they have locked sa voltage at 0,9V

[@gozutheDJ]

watching in the gym

[@cemsengul16]

Yeah you have take care of yourself and overclock your body too

[@griffin1366]

Watching at work :)

[@icuk7]

Quality upload.. Insane performance for a $200 Mobo + CPU combo!

[@mylittlepwny3447]

Cool to see a b700 series board with an external clock gen and support for bclk OC.

[@RardyGuy]

Nice, just the content i want to see, tweaking low end to max potentially

[@EzBreezy750]

Love these low budget cpu super Overclock videos

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

Do this with a 7600 or 7700 non X. I'd love to see what the uplift would be on something from the other team.

[@OdinAlgeron]

due to fabric the gains are diminishing returns for amd there is a sweet spot, that is pointless to go past which is why you will never see mainstream "reviewers" compare max OC vs max OC nor tweaked ring bus or OC ram speeds intel gets better the more you oc the ram and ring bus, it has near linear speed increases from it

[@csabauri351]

7600 +cheap mobo +cheap 6000 cl30 RAM +cheap cooler = WIN . No heat no fafo with OC , just PBO ON and go compete. Price is the same or less(at least in EU) but future proof (drop in a new CPU in next 4years ).

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

@@csabauri351 It would be way slower than this though.

[@csabauri351]

@@NBWDOUGHBOY I would be very suprised if an 5,2 ghz 12400F would beat a 7600 PBO. They are on pair .

[@NBWDOUGHBOY]

@@csabauri351 If you use Jufes OC Thats an extra 30 to 40% OC. PBO wouldnt makre 7600 Fill that gap. It would still lose. Handedly Actually.

[@radugrigoras]

Personally I would go for the non F with the IGPU and build a killer Truenas Scale server or a Pfsense router with it. The price is just too damn good. Theoretically you could do both in the same rig with vms and still have a killer rig. Asrock is the evga of mobos, just without the customer support, they have some really out there pushing boundaries products. IMO some of the best bang for buck mobos out there.

[@righteousone8454]

Jufus, talk about issues with Intel that everyone from Wendell, to Hardware Unboxed, to Gamers Nexus are talking about In my case I had no game crashes with my first 13900k, but I had to RMA my chip because it was locking up my Windows 11 system randomly, and then started causing blue screens during non-gaming stuff I was on Aorus Master Z690, and I can't say for certain if memory was at fault, because I still overclocked it to like 6700 mhz or so. Though it did pass TM5 Extreme777 for over 24 hours for like a good week, cause I kept testing different timings I ran CPU at 5.5/4.3ghz P-Core/E-Core I did have an error about "Out of Video Memory" but only happened with RTX 4080 on first CPU, so I put in my RTX 4090 and it stopped doing it. The only time it did it was opening Red D$ed Redemption 2, it would not start with that message. But I had to RMA the CPU and 2nd CPU that came had zero lock ups, but it did show out of memory message during RDR2 start up again twice, but never again. I actually had a shitload of tabs in Opera GX open, so once I closed it, I was fine again. Can you speak on whether you encountered that issue. To me 13900k was the most stable CPU I ever had, in games. Games refuse to error out, unless I mod the f out of them, and at that point it's not GPUs fault. Any game without heavy mods does NOT crash with 13900k, first or 2nd CPU that it replaced. I am interested in your opinion on this, maybe you saw something that I didn't. It's a hot topic right now with 13900k and 14900k I also run my CPUs in long runs of AIDA64 to make sure it's stable and not overheating. I noticed that initially I had watts set to 300 watts, and turned off multicore enhancement. Then began to have lockups 2nd CPU I limited to 262 watts, and turned off multicore enhancement. I see no lock ups. I am not sure if multicore enhancement does anything for performance, but I do see an insane boost to heat, and it will easily draw over 300 watts with multicore ehancement on.

[@Justmakesomenoiz]

I would like to see a comparison on say 13600k vs 7700 or 13700k vs 7700x Overclocked of course. It was pretty impressing but would purchase a 760mobo and 12400f vs my upcoming 7800x3d and 4080 super. Have always been an Intel person but not anymore to expensive mobos and cpus at team blue.

[@OdinAlgeron]

properly OC'ed and tweaked ryzen stands no chance the gap is ENOURMOUS a 7800x3d bottlenecks a 4080 even a 14600k setup tweaked like jufes' setup with 8000+mhz ddr5 and tweaked ring bus + OC would ABSOLUTELY CRAP on a 7800x3d a 14900k setup is not even in the same division, it is not even funny

[@meekmeads]

He finally gave up on his young Manu Ginobili hairdo and went with the old Manu Ginobili hairdo.

[@edwinwebber5776]

This reminds me of my i920 going from 2.66 to 3.6 for a 35% OC so yeah, Go Team Timmy!!! 🙂

[@zodwraith5745]

I've always felt Intel gimps the non-k chips too much to protect the K's prices. Back in the days everything was locked and we had to get far more creative you'd often get amazing numbers from the cheapest chips. The silicon is just as good if you're willing to get creative.

[@nickskep]

Tha shaved head looks great man.

[@michaelhulcy6680]

You did a non insane spender video. This is a good video. Like 7-8 years ago old tech tuber glory days. The cheap cost BUT good overclocking product was always where it was at. THAT’S what started the interest in PC gaming in 2014/2015 and beyond for YouTubing. Not this influencer crap and just paying for the most expensive thing with barely any 2-5 percent increase from the cheap but good overclocked product. That’s where modern AMD and especially old Intel dropped the ball. Greed, America’s religion.

[@anamerican1054]

That's some impressive gains. I'm really interested in doing this. An older i5 overclocks well and for the money it would be hard to beat. Is there another MB that'll do it? Looking for a full size board. Mainly want more than one hard drive. I would think you'd want more cores. You didn't seem to excited about Intel 15th gen and what we know so far. That totally sucks about not being able to get the cooler. I have their older cooler.

[@AlexandruCaragea-gf1kz]

Fantastic results. Brilliant work

[@FTLN]

Jufes, Hair looks much better 👍👍 , tell me whats better for 4k 144hz, AMD or Intel or doesnt matter because of gpu limit on 4090?

[@joshmaverick6692]

Is this good for long term use?

[@OdinAlgeron]

yes, control temps and volts only idiots dont understand this

[@tonep3168]

Apart from the ludicrous price of the GFX card, this a very potent build! Nice!

[@chrissoucy1997]

This is the kind of testing you NEVER EVER see on mainstream channels because everyone is so hooked on the AMD X3D hype train that this is what techtubers are feeding them. Respect to you Jufes for showing us the truth and other options.

[@myamaha62]

This was done two years ago by many influencers with similar results without delidding. Der8auer, Hardware Unboxed, etc.

[@MauriBT]

Could you bring tests of this 12400 5.2GHz against a 7600 with PBO?

[@pepsomocg8670]

Hey Frame, Just found the channel today from a reddit comment. I'm looking at building a new system and I'm feeling very on the fence about which CPU I should choose. I have 3 options i'm thinking currently, but before I mention those, I'd like to say I primarily use my system for gaming, but in the future will be doing blender, unreal engine, unity, programming etc. I know flatout the i7-13700k and i7-14700k outperform the Ryzen 9 7800x3d. However, I really like future upgrade potential with AMD. But also I know if I get one of these CPU's they'll probably be good for 2k gaming for at least 3-4 years? Also I like that AMD does not require tuning. Can I get away with no tuning for i7? Watching your video about the new intel 15th gen, it makes me think staying with 14th gen and just buying that is the better play. Your thoughts? Cheers.

[@mircomputers]

yeah Intel clearly outperform AMD in amount of crashing and speed to paperweight

[@luddebama]

That build is straight up🔥

[@valentin3186]

Locked SA is annoying but still 6700 not that bad

[@FOTON_FOREVER]

Man that chunky cat in a bed stole the show xD

[@walllec]

Insane gains.

[@MrKilladark]

got the 12700f at 5ghz on a similar setup! But these CPU non K have SA voltage locked... so stuck with 3470mhz DDR4 ram

[@walllec]

12700 is pointless because it boosts high out of the box

[@vh9network]

Whoa you just pointed out something I didn't think of. So even though non-K CORE skus are overclockable on a Z-series board, the memory is not? So it would be a bad idea to upgrade my tuned 12600K with tuned DDR4-3600 C16 OC 3733 CL14 to a 14700 non-K as I would be limited to only running my memory to XMP?

[@maximus3294]

@@vh9network you're not just limited to xmp because you can still change other voltages. just not system agent. tx and vdimm are both still adjustable on b-series, IIRC. so you can still tune memory to some extent

[@zDennii]

Hey , good job man :D I just maybe upgrade to this config from my 10600kf because it cant even get up on performance in cs2 even its overclocked to the limit. I have a Question about your board , could you check if the newer Versions have still the oc feature on? I would be realy interested in results of Cs2 performance if it is even an upgrade , would like to reach consistent 360 fps at least

[@groanhammer282]

Awesome video. Crazy results. "Bro you dont need cpu in modern games" rofl

[@RealitySetsIn]

Never done this before but if you could, can you tell me why you put the heatsinck/CPU cover back on if it's delidded? Doesn't the cooler need to touch the die? Or what would be the point of delidding?

[@TGC1775]

That GN video got the world on edge I think.

[@brianlukas2868]

GOOD VID JUFES

[@ognjenjakovljevic494]

ty bro i sold my heater for this bad boy

[@valentin3186]

Wow 150 watts, 5800x pulls the same amount and it is slower :D

[@ognjenjakovljevic494]

@@valentin3186 whats 5800x is that 2007 intel processor?

[@MobileIndifference]

The Poors' rejoice!

[@dandel2226]

Nice... would of loved to see the fps on COD resurgence or battle Royal

[@heatsink9198]

12700kf on new egg for 170, this dont make much sense. Limited time deal btw.

[@steve-anderson]

Can you test it again for Warzone at 1440p low settings? PLEASE!

[@lechf]

Will be heavily cpu bottlenecked, 12700kf at similar clocks with 7200 ddr5 was 210 average (a whole match), a 13900ks with 8000 is 260~ with a stock 4080. I would guess 160-180 for this combo

[@maag78]

I thought you delid so you can do direct die cooling, but he put the IHS back on and lapped it right? What is the purpose of the delid? The info on how to OC using the asrock board is paywalled? Or in another vid?

[@OdinAlgeron]

to remove the space between the die and the lid direct contact = better cooling without the solder in the way

[@maag78]

@@OdinAlgeron I know that, as I stated. But it seems as though he put the IHS back on.

[@hamslice839]

Little Timmy's everywhere rejoice! Timmy can now compete.

[@crabbylabbe]

Back door tricks are the best, if you know what I mean

[@vh9network]

lmao, Timmy can compete now. 🙂

[@bigcazza5260]

this is what 99% of people need

[@spitfire219]

Alder lake still rocks! true vfm cpus

[@cybersamiches4028]

12400Fuck Yeah

[@ardianmusliji8349]

Wait you are Canadian my bro ?! 😃

[@pasztoralis]

Did you do bclk overclock here? Does z690 can do that?

[@maximus3294]

no need to do that for a z series board

[@patrickderp1044]

the ryzen 8700G can overclock ram to 10000 MHz

[@Lowrie75th]

Timmayyy Wins!!! ♿️ 🏆 🎉

[@circawut]

i put a deepcool ak620 in my latest build

[@dziaraxx1]

130BCLK stability 0% :D

[@valentin3186]

5.1 12100f is pretty common

[@AleksandarYovchev]

My R7 5800X3D with DDR4@3733-16-16-16-36 makes 225 fps on 1% lows/ 405 fps on average in CoD - MW III. 12400F (OC) is better than 5800X3D, or in general, Intel is better than AMD in CoD? I know that 14900K (stock) has better 1% lows than 7800X3D in CoD, but these CPUs have newer/better architecture than Zen3/Alder Lake.

[@lechf]

Turn off resize bar

[@eliteleaf5305]

@@lechfwhat’s resize bar?

[@lechf]

@@eliteleaf5305 Resizable BAR or Smart Access Memory allows more direct communication between CPU and GPU. It helps in very gpu bound setups in some games. It kills CPU lows in COD

[@6r3ys0n]

That's insane.

[@ReaperHackz]

Timmy can now make silver in ranked lol

[@GONTE_YT]

Is a 13600k good with 3060 ti, corsair ddr4 3600mhz 64gb and an asus tuf z790 ?

[@OdinAlgeron]

a better option would be a 12700k with 32gb ddr5 6400+ with a z690 mobo

[@Cenuzi]

@@OdinAlgeronhow much fps in warzone can that build get with a 4070+1440p

[@OdinAlgeron]

@@Cenuzi depends on the settings you want to play at

[@Cenuzi]

@@OdinAlgeron everything at low

[@OdinAlgeron]

@@Cenuzi at high settings you would prolly be in the hundreds of fps on low prolly hitting ~200's never play like that so i am not 100% sure

[@GonzoGaming22]

is the wifi version able to overclock too?

[@Booth73]

I could really use some help with my set up if anyone at all could help steer me I. The right direction. I have a 13700k and a lian li galahad 2 trinity with a msi mpg edge max ti motherboard and for some reason even with intel default limits I can't seem to keep the package temps under 45c even at idle ( core temps sit around 30c though ). During gameplay they sit around 90c and it's absolutely driving me crazy. I'm down to spend some money to get into the discord but just curious as to what the $40 plan gets. I can't seem to find anyone that's willing to help me get anything solved.

[@toonnut1]

Let's gooooo

[@csdwu13]

Who tf delids a 12400

[@MStannerz]

Is anyone aware of any ITX motherboards that have an external clock generator?

[@maximus3294]

lga1700 b-series itx boards are either bad or overpriced. I don't personally know of any with external clock generators. if you can, go for a z-series instead.

[@dianaalyssa8726]

TY

[@AD34534]

I'll go ahead and avoid intel at the moment. Their cpus are experiencing degradation which results in crashes in intensive games and applications. Expect a class action lawsuit very soon as more and more owners experience crashes from prolonged degradation.

[@alger-y3q]

is this sponsored ?

[@tempusfugit5388]

by who?

[@FrameChasers]

I have never been sponsored

[@alger-y3q]

@@FrameChasers and why using Call of duty you could used another game

[@FrameChasers]

@@alger-y3qmake your own channel my man, create the content you want to see

[@nyyra]

@@FrameChasers how do you think the 12700f would do in this scenario wouldn't it be limited by power limit?

[@Rabieh-jr5gb]

Low settings on COD.

[@StoyanBorisov]

You keep on saying $200 platform, yet it's not even close to that - CPU $98, MB - $110, RAM (T-Force Delta) - $140, Cooler - $34 for a grand total of ~ $382, and that is almost ~91% more money than the cited "$200 platform" throughout the video, let alone that you're testing with your hand picked RAM (worth $499 alone) which is I am sure much more stable and at least on paper ~6% faster than the referred kit... With all that said, yeah, the performance uplift is there, but won't be so much with the components from the description, and it SURE ain't no $200 platform...

[@MultiTyche]

LMAO, platform means CPU and Mobo.

[@poompato]

gen 14 can used ??

[@lordace8795]

the goat

[@idrinktapwater6174]

This rocks

[@spacebarwasd9782]

Are you making a video about 13 and 14 gen? Everyone is avoiding it... And your solution isn't working

[@DingleBerryschnapps]

This comment aged like milk.

[@zznabil8109]

He has made his intel degradation solution video, you may now check his channel

[@LOOTLORD605]

Salam Broda.

[@sean.d7171]

Epic

[@ethernalside8653]

what about T like in 14600t

[@valentin3186]

Intel removed non k oc after 12th Gen

[@typen3k0]

In theory yes. But t sku CPU's tend to be lower bins that are less able to achieve higher clocks. However silicon lottery may sometimes surprise you. So it depends on what odds you like.

[@mw2warzone2.0]

your videos are amazing people need to subscribe to this guy should have millions of subscribers enough said

[@KenzieNakamura]

Very good budget option with high performance ;O!!

[@righteousone8454]

More stuff coming out of Hardware Unboxed Search "Zen 5, New Motherboards, CAMM2 Memory, RDNA4 Whispers - Computex Recap" And around 10 minute mark you can hear their story about AMD 9950x not beating 14900k I wanted AMD to win at least generationally, and I am on Intel 13900k If that's the case then 15900k will beat 9950x

[@vick.2018]

I’ve been doing so much research on these damn computers and then this guy comes along to make it just worse cause all this is garbage! I’ve seen gamers running 300 dollar pc’s killing gamers with a 3000 dollar pc! Knock it off with this garbage.

[@Doshi-lp4tn]

That gamers monkey render guy said cinebench scores were😅😅