AMD Zen 5深度评测：HX370能效超强！但大小核靠谱吗？

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极客湾Geekerwan

Күн бұрын

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@LordXavier79 5 ай бұрын

When your content is so good, people with different langange watch the videos with subtitles.

@gametime4316 5 ай бұрын

ya, i did too :)

@SuiTsuan_Ong 5 ай бұрын

They have an English channel too. Though it hasnt got any updates for almost an year

@kouinli3533 5 ай бұрын

⁠@@SuiTsuan_OngThey have recruited new members to do the English channel, maybe they will update videos more frequently soon, maybe.

@cyfv17 2 ай бұрын

When your video is full of diagrams, you don't need to care about people's language preference.

@AudiobooksDimension 5 ай бұрын

This is my first time watching your video, I can say this is the best tech channel on youtube, even with language barrier. And I watched a lot tech channel before I found yours. Good job!

@JeffNoel Ай бұрын

I only just discovered this channel. The English subtitles are very, very good! The thorough analysis made me subscribe. Basically competing with Gamers Nexus at this point! Great job!

@rain12658 5 ай бұрын

AMD YES

@sselim 5 ай бұрын

The absolute best reviewer

@bhagathch7349 5 ай бұрын

Waiting for your take on X elite and architecture comparison.

@memzmemz-d8c 5 ай бұрын

这个已经在B站上发了

@ChenyangLIU-nh9kv 5 ай бұрын

他们在一次直播中说，他们对x elite的评价很低，以至于失去了评测它的兴趣。

@channelvms708 5 ай бұрын

They said they wont do the X elite video in a while because they are quite busy on other videos and no one would actually buy them now in china. It is more expensive and can do less. The only reason to buy them is the battery life but ppl would rather get an old macbook for that in cn.

@jtoeverthing 5 ай бұрын

they say cant get the full power model yet，so wait a while

@bhagathch7349 5 ай бұрын

@@jtoeverthing Probably they are waiting for the Dev kit (highest variant).

@A145 5 ай бұрын

This is one of the best review I've ever seen in a while now, great work!

@joshm8324 5 ай бұрын

I think it also would've been nice to measure the performance-power curve of the Zen 5C cores, to see if the more compact design (in part due to the use of more HD libraries instead of HP, i assume) also affects the core's power efficiency.

@天灭共匪 5 ай бұрын

过瘾！不仅更专业和详细，而且早早地发到了 KZbin👍👍👍。比某件茶谈强多了。毕竟 KZbin 的高画质是免费的。

@dennislkf 5 ай бұрын

17:00 這不就是傳說中的關掉超線程提升遊戲性能嗎😂

@yw298 5 ай бұрын

当年X3D CPU的调度也是类似的情况

@LeoCheongK 5 ай бұрын

遊戲要把大量數據搬來搬去，禁用了就是不準搬那麼多了，自然效率就上去

@vladmihai306 5 ай бұрын

very nice review, thank you! zen 5 brought some nice changes, but it seems like they still have some limitations in using the extra resources in the core... also, the architecture, as shown here is kinda limiting the potential of the cores, not very well thought out also...the memory bandwidth is actually quite a big issue and omission, especially since they used soldered ram. they could have bumped the specs or increase the no of bus bits...anyways. still a nice product, that will sell well, but a bit underwhelming imo.

@raimondomaglione8399 14 күн бұрын

Vero well prepared presentazione. Well done!

@TaleOfSeraph Ай бұрын

great subtitle and great work. Thanks geekerwan!

@suvantolas2608 5 ай бұрын

够专业，比很多国外大V都有深度😀

@chshengsha 5 ай бұрын

抛开软件优化问题，我更喜欢 AMD 的同构大小核

@tacoin 5 ай бұрын

核间延迟有点离谱

@lunamiya1689 5 ай бұрын

看了一下總直覺這句有點自相矛盾，因為大小核不談軟體調適問題有沒有同架構好像實際上對於end user好像沒什麼差

@chshengsha 5 ай бұрын

@@lunamiya1689 从软件角度看，Adobe 的全家桶明显对 Intel 的处理器偏心。

@gold5292 5 ай бұрын

@@chshengsha 這個就是長年用錢合作砸出來的優化了

@chshengsha 5 ай бұрын

@@gold5292 是滴，Wintel 组合已经垄断很久了

@jeanmolly4433 Ай бұрын

HX 370 strix point 有核心延遲改善更新bios ,會再測試嗎？

@Ju_Long 5 ай бұрын

鳴朝看似優化抽象實際優化非常抽象

@chenzzz5413 5 ай бұрын

鳴朝剛開服的幀數比我玩2077開光追還低，更新幾個版本才有改善一點😂

@andyhuang9592 5 ай бұрын

AMD的大小核我不清楚，我只知道I社的大小核調度翻車了，然後13,4代的還會縮缸

@lofongyu5299 5 ай бұрын

兩家廠商又可以耍賴是Windows的資源分配問題🤣 但對於移動領域平台，我覺得反而要看重在大小核方案下的續航表現

@陳能弘-d6g 5 ай бұрын

13、14的問題和大小核無關，不然同為大小核的12代也應該出問題，但沒有

@fusanling 5 ай бұрын

@@陳能弘-d6g沒錯，13代跟12代的架構基本邏輯相同，14代又只是13代的特挑版本，會造成問題的應該是cpu運作程序跟win運作衝突，但win是真的爛到有剩，不管是不是intel拳頭的防外掛都會跟win的基礎程式搞到電腦死機

@陳能弘-d6g 5 ай бұрын

@@fusanling intel出問題應該不是微軟害的，是電壓超出製程極限導致。另外，12代、13代的製程和架構有一點點差別，有可能是這點差別導致12代沒事

@lofongyu5299 5 ай бұрын

@@陳能弘-d6g 處理器的電壓問題真的不知道要甩鍋給誰了🙈🙉 但說真的在12代處理器開始會遇上部份程式出現無緣無故崩潰閃退，只使用純P core而沒有E core的i3或i5和重裝新舊版Windows都解決不了，只有改用11代或以前的舊處理器才能解決程式崩潰閃退問題，希望AMD的大小核架構不會出現這類問題

@Toumanodanna 5 ай бұрын

架構大幅提升，而且大小核讓生產力方面有大幅進步，但看起來還是不適合遊戲，之後出全大核應該蠻值得期待的

@lofongyu5299 5 ай бұрын

大小核兩者的頻率有一定差別，對於遊戲這些需要實時處理來講，因為兩者規格不一就會出現拖後腿狀況，它的最佳表現應該類似SLI般的多張相同參數的顯示卡作同步運算來獲得最高分數

@zuofoking6122 5 ай бұрын

全大核能耗就控制不住了，毕竟还是4nm

@qwe4587 5 ай бұрын

@@zuofoking6122 能耗其實不是重點，Zen5c/Zen4c的重點其實是在減少面積占用率，隔壁intel嘴上說為了能耗，其實腦子裡也是在想著怎麼在有限的空間塞下更多核心

@alizim3176 5 ай бұрын

@@qwe4587Intel講能耗結果就他的cpu最耗電

@奈米-fps 5 ай бұрын

生產力用途會想要全小核吧

@fangxu2 5 ай бұрын

HX370核显对比Core 9 H185进步不大等9月份Lunar Lake上市可以再比比看

@samson_TW 5 ай бұрын

個人更喜歡異構大小核讓我想起SD 820的同構大小核，跟HX 390一樣，有著同時脈下，因為緩存更小，有著較差的能耗比所以當初很多手機廠商會設定（可能低負載）優先負載小核，結果導致使用體驗反而不好，更容易發熱；還必須自己修改內核，讓負載優先跑在大核😅😅😅 如果小核從低時脈到高時脈都沒有能耗優勢，會覺得相對雞肋（對廠商而言有好處，可以降低晶體面積，可以降低成本，也可以減少開發成本）但基於HX 370這次本身大核能耗比就很不錯，以現階段的筆電soc，我會選擇AMD~

@irmtouch 5 ай бұрын

希望大小核设计止步于笔记本，千万不要来祸害台式机。

@紫晶-w5s 5 ай бұрын

光是想想就讓人興奮了😆

@ronjatter 5 ай бұрын

The review is very excellent !

@jerryhuang3565 5 ай бұрын

這次，INTEL的問題屬於非常難意料，持續擴大損壞回報，因此只能買AMD，要不然就是選高通，因為INTEL會直接壞掉，壞到你換到怕。過去個人是不買X86大小核，主要問題是發展還很初期，無論作業系統或者硬體廠商，明顯還沒準備好。況且電腦這邊軟體在換代沒有手機激進，所以可以預期十幾年的轉變時間，是需要的。

@samson_TW 5 ай бұрын

@@jerryhuang3565 不過這邊在說筆電，非H55的筆電端是沒有受影響的像是這邊提到的Ultra 9就是沒有受到影響的部分不過如果是桌面端或是高性能筆記本，的確要避開

@jkhj1479 5 ай бұрын

這兩代聯發科手機cpu旗艦就把小核直接拿掉了能效比考慮進去是不是要搞這麼多小核是值得思考的畢竟讓大核更快的把工作做完休息也是另一種省電要是小核做的時間拉長也失去小核的價值了加上PC又不需要做到極致省電是不是這麼值得搞一堆小核本身就是可以檢討的

@qwe4587 5 ай бұрын

@@jkhj1479 高通給PC的X系列，架構上直接都全大核，只不過各核心有高低頻分別，系統判定是有大小核的，AMD這次問題主要還是延遲問題，調度問題我覺得不大，其實大小核的重點不是省電，而是省空間，AMD跟intel的想法其實都一樣，在有限的空間裡面塞更多核心，並且兼顧單核性能，這次AMD靠Zen5c比前一代多塞了四個實體核心，我覺得還是很有用的。

@jkhj1479 5 ай бұрын

@@qwe4587 因為我舉例聯發科這種手機用處理器才會提到省電問題

@rock10523 5 ай бұрын

@@jkhj1479 架構跟調度差異那是發哥核心調度的好才能讓全大核省電不然早期全大核跟省電八竿子打不著一部分還要看製程發哥的全大核如果看頻率狀態也是能分成超大核大核>>>或說是大核跟小核雖然架構一樣頻率不同就跟高通 x elite算是採用相同作法結論要玩遊戲推別人去買7945hx全大核大緩存都比較好 AMD 8系列跟AI HX370 這些是給創作者或AI應用雖然也沒多大應用至目前為止個人傾向7945hx更有CP值

@lofongyu5299 5 ай бұрын

我按入來時顯示是「收看次數:2222次」😹 不過大小核設計，我覺得用在移動領域中來衡量效能與功耗之間平衡才是它應有的優勢，期待AMD繼續找出更長待機時間的方向來改善功耗

@robinhe2139 5 ай бұрын

大小核看来是必然趋势，看看蓝厂先踩坑，下一代应该调度策略调的差不多了吧

@yiuming110583 5 ай бұрын

大小核對筆電續航真的很大影響。公司筆電由HP elite 8代i7換成12代i7的型號，續航力增加了差不多75%，但機身纖薄及輕不少，誇張得很。但商務電腦intel仍然䇄立不倒，vpro應記一功。

@Mong-Yun_Chen_54088 5 ай бұрын

續航變好……會不會跟大小核無關，而是8代用了多年的 10nm++++，到12代才終於用了下一代新製程，所以效能提升呢？

@藍梁勻-p3w 5 ай бұрын

8代筆電用到現在電池都衰退多少了印象中11代到12代變成大小核以後續航是變差的只是多核分數變很高

@nguyenngoc1701 5 ай бұрын

續行增加可能是你舊筆電電池衰退了及CPU製程進步

@swenic Ай бұрын

Is this mandarin language? Thanks for excellent info.

@gametime4316 5 ай бұрын

can u try and test 4 P cores vs 8 E cores in games ? can be very interesting

@Splarkszter 5 ай бұрын

Please exercise, friend. Keep yourself healthy.

@shreeramhegde 5 ай бұрын

Lmao

@d1g1talb0y000 5 ай бұрын

is that fat shaming ?

@LIUXIN 5 ай бұрын

They're 2 different persons. You western guys just think we Chinese all look the same. 😂

@user-vc3mu5de1h 5 ай бұрын

@@LIUXIN 人家也没说这个事吧？你怎么自我意识那么强？被迫害妄想了吗？你既然西方人PTSD了，建议你自我消解一下，比如去主动攻击西方人

@yibin0525 5 ай бұрын

先赞后看

@fan19820210 5 ай бұрын

看完後....怎麼這顆新U上的NPU沒有也做個評測??還是因為測試工具尚未有AI項目的評測項目所以沒辦法做評測??難道不能跟chat-gpt之類的LLM比較一下嗎??

@LeoCheongK 5 ай бұрын

16:56 1%low的成績高了很多啊......看來核間通信延遲影響巨大，禁止遊戲把數據搬來搬去有顯著的效率提升 😂😂

@Smallsinmos 5 ай бұрын

期待桌面端zen5的评测

@雲雲星 3 ай бұрын

AMD 讚讚衝阿~

@FlowerFox64 Ай бұрын

HX 370 strix point 有核心延遲改善更新bios 期待新的測試補充

@fredshaw37 5 ай бұрын

世界第一🎉

@jasonraisy6656 5 ай бұрын

今年下半年想買到高效能的筆記型CPU只有AMD Intel的Lunar Lake看起來牙膏還倒吸了

@蒼阿傑 5 ай бұрын

估計是爲了省設計成本+面積利用率，要是像phoenix2 大小核都在一個ccx也不會有這延遲

@tanahxua1804 5 ай бұрын

电脑tuf FA507N是 amd ryzen 7 7435. 这7435 是低端，中端，还是高端呢？

@ukyoi 5 ай бұрын

请问飘哥在视频中用的是什么笔电啊？感觉看着很低调。

@R1L1. 5 ай бұрын

its so sad that the best tech channel on YT is on a language barrier.

@swenic Ай бұрын

Har det inte alltid varit så? =)

@kernel10 4 ай бұрын

so 8845hs + 4060 is better choice?????

@LaoMiao_ones 5 ай бұрын

跟Intel的同級別U比較如何？

@TommyHe 5 ай бұрын

15:22，提升比例标识和口述是 27% 但 HX370 标示的是 137%

@zerorisama 5 ай бұрын

还是期待下下代RDNA4架构核显的AMD吧

@modori5679 5 ай бұрын

早知道等一等了心急買了u9版zephyrus g16

@ali_leo7868 5 ай бұрын

core ultra 9 is better

@fangxu2 5 ай бұрын

现在890M😊核显有没有达到3050独显的水平？

@梦想猎手 5 ай бұрын

想太多了😂

@azusa7110 5 ай бұрын

就不能出一个6p+6e核心把npu部分换成给gpu的无限缓存版本么

@jmopli7521 5 ай бұрын

我想知道最省電，又最強ＣＰＵ和顯示卡配起來現在ＣＰＵ顯示卡好耗電

@吳淙閎 5 ай бұрын

看起來不適合遊戲本，但對商務跟全能本應該是大幅提升，可能都可以幹掉前幾代一些入門的獨顯本

@jonez6843 5 ай бұрын

期待strix halo

@Yozora-yl8ob 5 ай бұрын

等掌機，期待出個純大核版

@Natvaca 2 ай бұрын

我也在等Z2掌機，有一點點怕AMD拿這顆去改

@renqiye896 5 ай бұрын

沒有都市天際線2的測試嗎？

@michaelzhang964 5 ай бұрын

收发广告不打逆风局😆

@吹吹风-l3w 5 ай бұрын

天际线看内存吧，而且测试需要一定的规模，需要玩很久

@Usersdfcfhb 5 ай бұрын

Intel 都用 System in package 了，AMD都不跟進？雖然擴充性受限，但在現在的技術水平SIP真是無敵。

@mrj3339 5 ай бұрын

云飞能否测试8sgen3吗谢谢

@单子轩 5 ай бұрын

7+gen3的超频

@Kw-mf9xs 5 ай бұрын

第一，期待新的這款

@rickyxdsmoura106 4 ай бұрын

If you select only core 0, 1, 2 ,3 You just enable 2 cores and 4 threads

@jianxiaochan5012 9 күн бұрын

怀疑你们评测的客观性，现在很多hx370和890m核显的测评，比8840和780m的游戏性能提升非常大，你们的测试结果还倒挤牙膏，怎么可能呢

@ZEN-on1px 5 ай бұрын

AMD应该用3D堆叠组CPU这样可以减低延迟的。。。可惜现在制程还不行

@dennislkf 5 ай бұрын

這樣積熱要爆炸啦

@林憲堂-x9o 5 ай бұрын

@@dennislkf 有消息 9000系會解決積熱問題，所以X3D 可能有戲

@x佐々木愛美x 5 ай бұрын

上代x3d就是因為堆疊技術核心散不到熱所以核心頻率跟是很低的不過好處就是瓦數更低更省電

@YuDian-w1k 5 ай бұрын

@@x佐々木愛美xx3d跟本不是靠頻率提升遊戲性能，頻率只是數字比較好看

@x佐々木愛美x 5 ай бұрын

@@YuDian-w1k 你說的對可是我不太懂什麼是製程因為樓主說因為製程不行所以不能堆疊而我只知道因為堆疊技術散不了熱所以我的疑問是堆疊技術是跟製程有關的嗎還是架構設計而且樓主想要低延遲買x3d就好了可是又想高頻率又想低延遲就😢

@aliendouglas1186 5 ай бұрын

能不能和AMD EPYC系列做个对比

@memzmemz-d8c 5 ай бұрын

@@aliendouglas1186 这个没什么可比性吧，毕竟EPYC系列是服务器u

@michaelzhang964 5 ай бұрын

这个核显水平是不是也就意味着到cpu再次换代为止win掌机也没什么看头了🥲

@陳柏璋-r7c 5 ай бұрын

24/07/30 目前只有石頭跟 acer 官網上看得HX370的選項其他家 6月電腦展到現在只是說合作夥伴放個LOGO 就沒了官網連個選項都沒有

@無名氏-u5j 5 ай бұрын

異構大小核是犧牲單線程效能、提升每瓦效能與每面積效能，而同構大小核犧牲單線程效能，每面積效能卻幾乎沒有提升

@奈米-fps 5 ай бұрын

只能降低成本

@ccyewzi 5 ай бұрын

極客灣什麼時候開始放乖乖的? XD

@KJ-pc2nt 5 ай бұрын

上次computex來台灣的時候買的

@realblack177 5 ай бұрын

上次去台北玩後就放了

@lofongyu5299 5 ай бұрын

出AMD很難沒有乖乖相伴🤣😹

@ItsDeeno69 5 ай бұрын

Why does the 185h look bad in every review except this?

@uuid-666 5 ай бұрын

没有测npu跑模型

@xinyang527 5 ай бұрын

出个4核心加3d缓存的版本

@pham3383 3 ай бұрын

Now amd just need to launch 55w using only zen5 core cpu,that will wipe the workstation industry out

@feijida8841 5 ай бұрын

哎，有点想搞一个zen5玩玩，但是我手里5700x感觉还没到退役的年纪。🤤

@ziliwang9358 5 ай бұрын

期待ZEN5C进掌机

@kafurtan3946 6 күн бұрын

这个带着AI名字的cpu，怎么没有测它的GPU性能？

@李鍾碩-b6m 5 ай бұрын

AMD YES!!!

@DrakeTech-kh8hs 5 ай бұрын

What laptop was used in your tests?

@SuiTsuan_Ong 5 ай бұрын

proart pa16 and zenbook s16

@namcomamia21 5 ай бұрын

爲啥又不是x elite 評測呀

@memzmemz-d8c 5 ай бұрын

已经在b站上做了

@马建洲 5 ай бұрын

Even then buy AMD as Intel's heterogeneous sized cores come unstable and have oxidation issues, looking forward to the 9000 series......

@cloVerSolo 5 ай бұрын

等主菜9950X，這些NPU還是要歷練一兩年。

@xiuyang3513 5 ай бұрын

TSMC YES!

@rundwang 2 ай бұрын

下一代明年 CES 2025 Strix Halo 更强！

@xian6934 5 ай бұрын

快四年没追踪了发现已经听不太懂了😂😂

@天高不算高 5 ай бұрын

AI呢?

@money0922 5 ай бұрын

期待strix halo面世

@carson4344 5 ай бұрын

不測一下AI 分數？？？？

@chenenjoytheluxury2668 5 ай бұрын

可惜了這個能效比非常漂亮。大小核的那個延遲真的會讓人卻步

@村人A-d5h 5 ай бұрын

看起來就是不敢得罪的評測文,怎麼不去比高通和m處理器,一直比已經出一段時間的舊intel處理器.

@albert-m3c6m 5 ай бұрын

高通的X处理器又贵能效比又差，不用比了，因特尔的能效也不用比了制程决定了的，只有苹果的m处理器比较强但是win系统用不了

@super-social-saltyfish 5 ай бұрын

大核最少给到6核吧，看国外评测有说这代笔记本完全不支持插拔内存价格估计是顶天级别的

@SuiTsuan_Ong 5 ай бұрын

看官網寫是支持DDR5 理論也能支援SODIMM 他說的應該是目前每個廠商的主板設計都不支援拔插

@Ralph19840221 5 ай бұрын

AMD yes

@Akemi-Homura-v50 5 ай бұрын

还是油管画质好啊

@allenliu4930 5 ай бұрын

我都不去B站看。

@70g56 5 ай бұрын

B站這孫子根本不能比，不加會員不能看高清，不登入就給你暫停，YT了不起就看個廣告，B站唯一用途就是看外國有版權的節目，不然一點用也沒

@user-tg2xn7yv9h 5 ай бұрын

intel能用十奈米戰到現在真不簡單

@calmwu6271 5 ай бұрын

能否对比下高通新发的cpu

@realblack177 5 ай бұрын

8GEN 4 媒體解禁還早吧

@albert-m3c6m 5 ай бұрын

@@realblack177 可能说的是X，完全没啥竞争力

@BearAirForce 5 ай бұрын

都不用比，吊打的节奏

@kakachen9757 5 ай бұрын

商務本輕薄本 AMD YES

@pham3383 3 ай бұрын

At this point,amd competitor is just apple,not intel anymore...

@zriley7995 5 ай бұрын

steam deck 2估计能收益很大

@maxwiser1 5 ай бұрын

價格會說明一切～

@Starfish845 5 ай бұрын

Dude forgot his English audience 😢😢plz upload videos in that channel coz I'm indian and can't understand chinese

@cykeblyat9849 5 ай бұрын

there's subtitles

@anthqiu 5 ай бұрын

They mentioned during their weekly live chat on Chinese video platform Bilibili that they can't actively maintain the English channel due to a lack of time and manpower. They are already very busy maintaining the Chinese channel. However, this video does have English subtitles that you can turn on in the CC

@INTJ791 5 ай бұрын

Subtitle exist