America’s 𝘾𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙡𝙞𝙘𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙙 Relationship With Pakistan and India Ft. Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry | EP 192

Does America genuinely care about democracy in Pakistan? Is the U.S. still the world's sole superpower? How did America influence Pakistan's relations with Afghanistan? And, is the proxy war more about Pakistan vs. India or America vs. Russia? In this episode, we are joined by Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry, the former Ambassador of Pakistan to the United States, to delve into the intricate dynamics of America's relationship with Pakistan and India. The conversation also examines how America's War in Iraq reshaped the global order.
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00:00 Highlights
01:20 Beginning of Pakistan-America Relations in the 1950s
04:30 American Sanctions on Pakistan in 1965
06:30 Does America Actually Care About Democracy in Pakistan?
09:15 Why India Became Close to America and Left Russia
13:00 The Transition of America's Relations with Pakistan and India
16:30 9/11 as a Turning Point for Pakistan-America Relations
19:00 Dependency Syndrome of Pakistan
23:50 Did America Ruin Pakistan’s Relations with Afghanistan?
29:00 America’s War in Iraq Changed the New World Order
36:30 Proxy War: Pakistan vs. India or America vs. Russia
40:00 Pakistan Military's Role in Pakistan-America Relations
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[@sccyt]

The elephant in the room: Islam

[@user-km1bs4my1y]

So true. Concepts based on medieval values can never take a country to next level. Check out all the world economies

[@chhuparustam3190]

And the Army.

[@user-343-8fx]

@@user-km1bs4my1y Its best they stay that way, like natives in an isolated terror island.

[@wish-ld9te]

UAE, Malaysia, Indonesia , Turkish, Saudi Arabia are also Islamic but are on a far better place then Pakistan...... Islam is not the elephant in the room..... The type of Islam that Pakistan uses which is focused towards India and Hindus is the real problem of Pakistan..... More then thinking about their own benefits they are looking towards India and it's territory of Kashmir. They can't deal with Balochistan and Taliban in their own country but they want to Interfere in Indian Kashmir is the reason Pakistan is isolated by the 5th largest economy India even though we are sitting next to each other.... poor policies of Pakistan has ruined their country.....

[@sccyt]

@@wish-ld9te Concur. I meant Pakistani Reactionary Islam (A virulent version, with self-defeating defiance)

[@AnkitSingh-ok8ok]

In a world where relations are based on self interests and where interests are ever evolving, Pakistanis keep discussing friends and enemies. The software is terribly outdated.

[@bakhabar8322]

You are right, during the1000 years of Muslim rule in Sub-continent, the KINGS, had a system of Might is Right, Master & Slave society, where ONE tribe fought the other to become the King. Over the period, Ghulaman dynasty was over thrown by Khilji, & Khilji by Tughlaq etc until Moghals. The last Moghal Emperer of India,(Bahadur Shah), was deposed, by British East India Company. After the King was deposed to Rangoon, the Sub-Continent became British Colony, & remained so for 200 years, until the end of WWII, when British decided to pull back from Colonies in Asia & Africa, & in 1947, the Sub-Continent (British India) was split into Pakistan & Bharat, & remained British Dominion for 10 Years (until 1957), when Bharat & Pakistan became republic. Bharat adopted the British democratic system, with Institutions & a constitution in 1950, Pakistani incompetent politicians did NOTHING, and Country was run by the British appointed, Governor General, & British Ambassador. After the end of WWII, the NEW world order with Bipolar Word was established in agreement among Churchill, Rosewelt & Stalin and world was divided into Capitalist block & Socialist block, when Bharat joined USSR block & Pakistan USA. India with well established Parliamentory democracy, progressed to establish RULE OF LAW, HUMAN DIGNITY & RIGHTS, where as Pakistan, depended on USA for help & guidence, and adopted the Master & Slave Relationship, with elite Mafia society & LAW OF JUNGLE. At the moment the struggle is between the Political Criminal Mafias, to hold on to the MIGHT is right, LAW OF JUNGLE system, and the well informed youth, demanding the RULE OF LAW, & PEOPLE'S ELECTED PARLIAMENT. Remember, it was the FEAR of democracy & Rule Of Law, among the Criminal Mafia elite, for the overthrow of the ELECTED govt. that was working for the Country & POOR PEOPLE of Pakistan, with Health card of Rs10,00000/ per family, Ehsas programme & Langer Khana to feed poor, Single Syllabus education,for every child, Kamyab Jawan for Training & support for youth, Dams, Rawi City, Namal International University, Al Qadir International Islamic University, Rahmatullil Alamine Authority, rail & Road, prevention of diseases, improving health, education & environment for kids etc. Country is back to Law Of Jungle, Police state, with an unmandated Parliament & a terrorist, Mafia regime.

[@TheGrimStoic]

No one who's ever mattered in pak policy thinks like that - they only want their various benefactors to think they think like that - in actuality pak has had the most consistent case of state within a state and that real state has ever had one relational definition - host and parasite - pak appears like a client state because outsiders only see the shell of the state hiding the real state. So - its everyone else's framework that's terribly outdated while viewing pak.

[@VinodBandari-ps5yd]

​@@bakhabar8322bharat?

[@user-zk5md7gm9k]

​@@bakhabar8322muslim rule ? Majority of city were hold by hindu king even before the fall of mugal majority of india including Pakistan was under maratha empire

[@VinodBandari-ps5yd]

i didn't know, america is providing free assistance to india 😂😂😂

[@quonxinquonyi8570]

So what can india really offer??? twelve grade iit crammers….self proclaimed geniuses who don’t even know the basic difference of bias and variance metric in population….no matter how many alien level stem problems these so called genius claim to solve…their achievement will always be very very very “ biased” on the actuality of statistics…..your billion geniuses country men don’t have an iota of knowledge of Babis statistics

[@ruparao2971]

Please report as misinformation every time they say this.

[@vherlekar]

13:00 -- answer is : Because India is **NOT** a BEGGAR COUNTRY like yours!! - kya itni baat samajh nahi aati, then go BEG for (re)education loan from IMF 😁😁

[@selvarajnaidu8071]

Kashmir main terrorism nahi jihad chal Raha tha 😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@GouriDhar-lz9rq]

jihad means killing according to pak.

[@WRATH19]

😂

[@Yashsharma04]

Balochistan khabar per thumka mein abhi jihad chal raha😂😂

[@wish-ld9te]

@@Yashsharma04 Ye aisa kesa jihad hai ki in khud ko le dubbed rha in ka jihad 🤣🤣

[@mukundlk]

One thing Pakistan doesn't understand. That military needs decentralisation. It is not possible in India, France, England, US that elected civilian governments can be toppled by army. No Army chief has unique power. For that matter, Airforce, Military and Navy has different chiefs and they report to defence ministry and council which again has civilian and military people. So military coup is not possible in these larger democracies. Pakistan id precisely missing it. India took 3 years to draft a constitution and another 12 yeras to re organised military. Pakistan lost Mr. Jinnah in first year itself and then all his ideas of forming separate nation was kept in zoo. So even today Army is major power in Pakistan. It doesn't care what people of Pakistan want.

[@Aman-jh7pz]

Long live India 🇮🇳 and Russia 🇷🇺 friendship 🇮🇳 🤝🇷🇺

[@noobanimation8503]

🇷🇺🤝🇨🇳🤝🇰🇵

[@aadit13]

What about Chinese destroying everything Islamic in Xinjiang?!? What’s pakistan opinion about that

[@ranarajput7368]

Are unke new abbu china naraaj ho jaayega😂

[@kknrcss]

If such intellectual are present in pakistan than no one can save from collapse.

[@quonxinquonyi8570]

They are/ were absolutely competent in their job….the way they have devised the downfall of this duffer nation on whims of their American,British,zionists and Hindu godfathers deserve standing ovation

[@peacelover2002]

Following are some popular comments that one gets to hear from such so called Pakistani "Intellectuals". 'South Korea took economic blue print from Pakistan and implemented to be successful.' 'Malaysia came to Pakistan to understand how Pakistan is growing economically and learned from us to implement it in their country.' 'Nawaz Shariff presented same economic liberalization in 1990 that India presented in 1991.' Enough of these lies and drama. Pakistan does not have the capability to grow, both economically and intellectually but still wants to take credit of achievements that other countries have achieved. Pakistan will never grow with this kind of a mindset. They will just remain cry babies.

[@shatnermohanty6678]

They are obsessed with Alternate History . Yun hota toh kya hota Woh hota toh yeh hota

[@ravindra7791]

​@@shatnermohanty6678 That is because they don't study history in school (the few kids who go to school) , they study something called "Pakistan Studies" , which is made up stuff. Now it's too late

[@vanishsagar3779]

This is called Karma

[@sonibhash]

India was laying solid foundation upto 1990. Pakistan was happy sitting on the shoulders of west..TALK OF PEANUT IN PAKISTAN STARTED IN 1947 ITSELF

[@SohailTaj-mz1wg]

what did you do for Pakistan, mr ambassador

[@user-343-8fx]

Dont underestimate osamas relatives.

[@blackswan5830]

Bloody they are all useless and injurious to health characters.

[@sorabdb9925]

35:25 Yaar baaki sab to theek hai par ye IQ HIGH wali baat nai hazam hoti…. 😂😂😂 #PakSellsTheirMothersForMoney #PKMKB

[@kknrcss]

Great comment.

[@ayushgour580]

Is there any connection on difference between podcasts of ambassador of US and china, where the one to China kept licking boots of China and the one to US kept on criticising rant about US whole time. Does it say anything about nature of democracy vs dictatorship debate?

[@abhaypatel4292]

No one criticised hitler lol

[@ujjwalkushari]

Ise kehte hai, rassi jal gayi lekin bal nahi gaya.. Zindegi Jhandwa, phirbhi Ghamandwa apllis so perfectly on failed state Pakistan

[@GuzzarAwan]

That is Punjabi Jutt chaudhary mindset 🤣

[@raghukiran7065]

When you start feom negative or Zero, you'll have the highest potential. Pakistan is where it is today bcoz of Religion, Education, military and Identity crisis.

[@ruchinkumar8358]

Material hi khraab hain, jab tak America jung karega aur imdaad dega tab tak Pakistan chalega, varrna fuss fuss fuss. Human resource is basic requirement to develop nation/economy/stature, use badi mehnat se Pakistan ne khraab kiya hain hehe

[@savithrio1461]

Pakistan always focused on enemity against India and towards kashmir without looking economy .thank goodness we are india the fastest growing major economy

[@Aman-jh7pz]

2010 IPL auction was fantastic. 2023 women premier league auction was fantastic. Yaad hai naa Pakistaniyo 😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣

[@sonibhash]

1. How much share inmoney, military spares etc pakistan have to bangladesh after 1971 2. Does a friend means, who as always asking for money but, does not help friend even one dollar to anyone? Have you helped gaza, sudan, Afghanistan etc financially 😅

[@TheSanjaykdas]

Are Pakistanis friends of Pakistan..

[@pardeeparora1580]

Where was he when they put up a condition that Pakistan won't trade with India unless and until kashmir issue is solved , this man was there as PA of Nawaz Sharif, even now if Pakistan's condition somewhat improves they will again say "kashmir is the core issue" now they say " waqt ne sikhaya " even now they are 'naa ahel' inept

[@user-wg6mv4df6k]

USA Vs China / Pakistan trapped Just like the famous dialogue in the great movie ' Mughal e Azam 'where Emperor Akbar tells Anarkali , ' Salim tujhey marney nahin dega aur hum tujhey jeeney nahin dengey

[@johnsaxon2439]

pathological liars.

[@ptrakoo5363]

Pakistan has something going good, which is: It uses USA and China interchangeably and at the same time USA and China Use Pakistan. The outcome is: The Military leaders and Politicians are Paid well and treated nicely but the Average Citizens are suffering. The bad part is that Pakistan is getting deeper in debt and the Country becomes unstable and Progress becomes retarded. The future looks very dim.

[@gorav18323]

As A hindu from india believe me our muslim scientist and muslim army officers are our strength 🔥

[@reshamar]

Which world does the diplomat live in…there must be an alternate universe.

[@jashoke5790]

I can’t understand this discussion he says that from 1947 there was a security threat for Pakistan then how come every war was started by Pakistan in India in our entire history we have never ever attracted any body

[@user-vt4gb6qu8i]

I think you should free and respect the freedom struggle of Baluchistan first

[@essakhan-oh2vh]

American government not American people you must differentiate between these when Am govt wanted to establish relationships with China Pakistan was much dearer and when pakistan wanted cheap oil wheat and want to import it from Russia it was to the much detestation of the US govt and it toppled the Pakistan govt .

[@ganpatbhati6655]

तुम पाकिस्तान के जरनल तो जो डॉलर दिखये उसके पीछे हो जायेगे मिया

[@kotresh31jan]

This PakPunjabi ex diplomat is giving his unfounded gyan on international relationships for a failed nation . When in service , he never did what he is preaching here .

[@pankajbhardwaj5525]

Pakistan to bahut bada mulk hai. Ye kahte hue garv ho raha hai tere guest ko. Matlab 4 biwi 14 bachhe inn tere guest ke hisab se sharai taaluq se bilkul sahi hai.

[@nikunj.bansal]

when this anchor speaks in Urdu he sounds like someone from the Indian subcontinent. But while speaking English his accent changes in a strange way... this is the impact of America in Pakistan

[@YS27122]

America providing free assistance to India? 😂😂 Wtf😂

[@Salman-pw4hl]

Good topic!❤

[@DMH12352MHE]

Excellent session, good speaker

[@Howdoesitworkpodcast]

🙏🙏

[@samadhanrane1315]

First come out from jaahil mentality and then after think about progress.....Allah hafiz .dua me yaad rakhana.....

[@emjaydurrani8645]

Positive energy ✨️ ❤🎉

[@UNIVERSALAHMED]

Sb together ho kr Pakistan ka nehe soch sktay, Kyon k politicians ka aik group billions $$$ ke corruption krnay kay baad wapas bi nehe kr raha aur ooper say apna jurm tasleem bi nehe kr raha aur ye log sooor kay tukham Qatal bi hen Chaur bi Dakoo bi aur Zalim bi hen , soooroon kay saath sooor baith sktay hen,

[@mrlinguist1]

much needed podcast. Keep shining mate.

[@Howdoesitworkpodcast]

🙏

[@bakhabar8322]

Pakistan can only stabilise if RULE OF LAW is accepted by ALL (including or excluding criminal mafias) . SC must full fill its responsibility to uphold RULE OF LAW, impliment form 45 election results for People's mandated Parliament. If we don't accept Rule of law, & remain Lawless under Criminal Mafia's LAW OF JUNGLE, country will have NO future.

[@Arvindchauhan-qv6gd]

Get lost Imrandoo n a youthia

[@abhaypatel4292]

Really good podcast..even though he's very optimistic in point he puts putting blanket on wrong doings that affected Pakistani position to diplomatic front..but all right.. everyone does that.. Keep doing

[@Howdoesitworkpodcast]

🙏

[@user-sx4mq6zn9o]

Good discussion.

[@Howdoesitworkpodcast]

🙏

[@naureenmahmud2526]

😮

[@phalgunibhuyan3881]

Both

[@sajidh2705]

A nice discourse overall.

[@avinashmishra7735]

Pakistan got more land than the ratio of it's population. On top of that, Jinnah successfully tricked Gandhi Nehru for not going after Complete Population Exchange despite the 2 Nation Theory. But tension not, Hindutva will fix that mistake imposed on innocent HINDUS. We cannot allow Pakistan to remain a PERSONAL ACCOUNT of Muslims whereas India becoming JOINT ACCOUNT of Hindus and Muslims. Long Game

[@Howdoesitworkpodcast]

🙏

[@aircdreshoaibretd405]

Very good analysis and lessons for Pakistan. Keep it up

[@Howdoesitworkpodcast]

🙏🙏

[@xpsmango4146]

Amreeka is not a friend Period

[@muhammadahmedshahwani121]

❤

[@Howdoesitworkpodcast]

🙏

[@kamaleshtewari4124]

Nice Discussion

[@KGopidas]

Excellent re v ommendations, firdt priority is economic. There uis always scope of potential realisation, especially in goodgrains and energy

[@user-343-8fx]

Its true as they say, we have to listen to the devil speak to defeat it.

[@mudasirhassan2255]

Please interview Mushahid Hussain Sayed

[@sarimbajwa7607]

good

[@Howdoesitworkpodcast]

🙏🙏

[@naveedakhtar9078]

sahib aapki military elites secret services ki elites police ECP bureaucrats judiciary PDM media business elites ye sb shetaan k bachou k ghulaam hain and inko jo order milay ga ye woi karainge AAP jo marzi keh lo ghulaam and robot are same and doing same work

[@Tarunsaxena06]

Karchi me kuchh nahi tha jangal tha kua sahab ..... india bhi 1947 me democratic country bana 😂

[@rubinanaeem5291]

STILL WE HAVE RESPECTABLE TO US . RELATIONSHIS . WE MUST RESPECT ALL THE NATIONS WE SHOULD NOT BE GREEDY AND RESPECT EACH OTHER . WHEN WE BECOME BEGGARS THEN WE LOSE ÒUR SELF RESPECT . THEN NOBODY WILL LIKE US . MAKE THE COUNTRY TOTAL DEMOCRATE . JUSTIFIED AND HONESTY ARE THE TRUSTWORTHY . WE ARE A WEALTHY COUNTRY . WE HAVE 65 % YOUTHS .PROVIDE THEM JOBS AND USE OUR WEALTH . BALOCHISTAN IS THE LARGEST PROVINCE IN AREA AND RICHEST IN MINERALS. WE HAVE SALT ROCK AND KPK IS RICHEST IN PRODUCING MARBLES . BUT OUR GOVERNMENT DIDN'T DO ANYTHING BUT BEGGING AND MAKING MONEY FOR THEMSELVES IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES .THEY MADE PROPERTIES HERE IN PAKISTAN AND ABROAD . THE COUNTRY BECAME BANKRUPT. ESTABLISHMENT ALSO PLAYED VITAL ROLE IN CORRUPTION.

[@anubhav111196]

@15:48 Lena Dena to tha pakistan ka 9/11 se, jhuth nhi bolna

[@bholabangru4508]

Mr Aizaz is a very experienced diplomat. Unfortunately, his mindset is stuck in old ideas. Did India have political stability from 1947 to 1990? Yes. Then why Pakistan's average economic growth rate was 6% and more while India was hovering around 2-3% from 1947-1990? Why our per capita income was almost double than of India for more than 40 years? My dear, change of global order impacted Pakistan for the worse where whenever US removed it's support from Pakistan, our internal shortcomings come to fore. This is what has happened in recent past also. The only solution is to build your own institutions. How will it happen? It cannot happen by blaming each other. Let's hope that we have a leadership which can think through this. The Indians are basking because the Americans are at their back like they were at our back (almost) until 1990. It is just a matter of time. Then we shall see where Indians stand on their own. But this is not our issue. We need to develop an alternate strategic (economic) paradigm. We need to build an economic block comprising Pakistan-West Asia-Central Asia, for which there is a Regional consensus. This is presently not in larger US interest but perhaps in Chinese interest. We need to see our own interest. Mr Aizaz Chaudhry does not want to leave the US. I agree but we need to threaten US to leave it. My dear, a smaller country does not and cannot maintain balance. We can do hedging in favour of China. We need to go for diversity of economic markets. I believe Geo-economics is the way forward. Mr Aizaz should avoid theoretical paradigm and come to practical terms.

[@user-zm3xl4ve4o]

@bholabangru4508 absolutely agreed 👍

[@blackswan5830]

I wasted a whole hour on usual rants. Not a single thing in the entire podcast was meaningful or new let alone out of box.

[@Rocky_919]

I doubt this podcast was possible only with borrowed money. the host and the guest are lying to the core.just look at the body language of both stooge of establishment

[@THUGSofMUKHARJEE_NAGAR]

Highest IQ?? Kisi ko ek so called asmani kitab ki wajah se zinda jala dene wali qaum highest IQ wali kaise ho gayi??

[@ravigoenka8796]

The Panelist is just repeating clichés, not hitting the nail on the head, gol gol ghoom rahe hain, nothing new, very boring. I could do better than him 😂

[@syedsyed8472]

Pakistan can never develop n prosper unless foreign planted moles and economic hit-man are totally removed and neutralised from our institutions including your good office too! And by the way when you were in the office of the decision making why did you not work with the government of the day to bring drastic changes in our socio-economic policies?

[@jayshrisanghvi5068]

Sare jooth hi bolte hai. Sach Ka samna karne ki takat hi nahin.

[@KGopidas]

Democracy is not what most understand. Military hardware supply guides foreign policy?

[@amitmahajanhistory]

Hahhhaa. Boss Pak is dominated by Punjabis and this gentleman comes from Punjabi priveleged class. He is talking about IQ😂😂😂... For IQ you need to educate masses first madarse ch padhake IQ ne pakode lene ne

[@shayanmahmud6832]

Let us know if you enjoyed this content 🙏

[@bakhabar8322]

Please focus on the ISSUE, & how country could get back to Rule of Law & Democracy. SC should full fill its responsibility to UPHOLD THE LAW, and impliment the election results of form 45 for People's elected Parliament.

[@sanjay3671]

Ambassador is lying & he knows it. Army will never play 2nd fiddle in a security council. Corrupt $ mercenaries in army will loot till they suck the blood out of the last pakistani.

[@munnabhaiLLB]

Accent poora copy kar

[@slick95112]

Keep it up man you are doing a grat job, but once you become popular do not become a dickhead.

[@Howdoesitworkpodcast]

🙏🙏

[@KGopidas]

Ehy not open foreign universities in Pakistan?

[@silenthill1035]

It's a lie that USA is a democracy, it's not ! The higher up the office, the farther away from democracy it is. The office of the US president being the highest office in the USA is also the farthest away from democracy. The slave owner founders of the US had no clue about democracy. For 100 years, only white male property owners were allowed to vote. The idea of every vote carrying equal weight is still not there because those living in the less populated states of the US have more say than those living in populated states. In fact, the founders of the US created mechanisms to guarantee that a popular vote of the majority will not bring any meaningful change without the approval of the minority of elites.

[@Arvindchauhan-qv6gd]

As per you China is a democracy??? Xijingping an emperor of China for life can be selected in an autocratic manner…😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@GuzzarAwan]

Even with all the loopholes US is best democracy in the world

[@silenthill1035]

@@Arvindchauhan-qv6gd No, China is not a democracy, nor it claims to be one, which I think is a much better approach than making false claims like the US.

[@dreaminggod6877]

Low standard blog

[@CanP302]

Saste nashe...

[@gagandeepsingh.4085]

Full of bullshit😂😂

[@JayKumar-jg3xq]

American is owner of pakistani army

[@amitsaha9436]

In sahab ki baate Pakistani bahut bada mulk hai, army hai and sabse badi baat Pakistani bada high IQ rakhte hai. Matlab sheikh chilli bannae ki bhi haad hooti hai. Aise hi loog pakistan me rahe badiya rahega

[@KGopidas]

Happy you mentioned Saudi development

[@KGopidas]

Why not appoint non political consulting groups to sfvice on sll matters

[@KGopidas]

As there isa military relatiin with west, why niit seek aircraft assemby in Pakistan both military abd civilian

[@KGopidas]

Iraq is true terrorism, no blame on Pakistan?

[@KGopidas]

Afmire your bitter pill

[@KGopidas]

Chaudgary zaheb be invitrd to advise planning commission!!!

[@jatindersinghpandher]

Iska Dimag Khali hai 😅😅😅😅😅

[@KGopidas]

Nehru was rejected by all

[@jashoke5790]

I can’t understand this discussion he says that from 1947 there was a security threat for Pakistan then how come every war was started by Pakistan in India in our entire history we have never ever attracted any body