American Kenpo vs Karate, MCMAP, Muay Thai, Jujutsu

[@FightCommentary]

Something I forgot to mention that I have to emphasize here is that Manny had already done an hour and a half of other stuff before this sparring. Before this, he was doing compliance drills, katas/forms, and answering questions from the panelists. So if he looked tired like some of you mentioned, he was. This sparring part was at the end of the belt test. Also, the MCMAP guy might have been Army Combatives, I need to double check with Arnott about that. Apologies if I got the branch of military wrong! More Kenpo here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIrGYaiNYqh1rJI Arnott Kenpo (Manny's school) here: www.arnottkenpo.com/

[@taekwondobro]

This was a test? Was this all the fights in a row?

[@SwordTune]

Can't 100% confirm if the second guy is JKD. Maybe like 95% sure. There's not much else he could be using, except maybe a mix of Wing Chun and Boxing, which is essentially what constitutes JKD's hand game.

[@larhannstuckey865]

Fight Commentary Breakdowns was going to say looks like a black 1 test 👍🏾👍🏾

[@TheJadekungfu]

Very heartening to see martial art styles willing to help each other improve. That is very progressive culture.

[@bluetaigax1747]

From my experience I feel more at home in the dojo/training grounds than at a school full of incompetent teachers and bullies

[@Tim1000064]

It's always good to train against people from different styles, it helps you to adjust to different types of attacks and makes you a more versatile fighter.

[@taekwondomaster4609]

Exactly

[@Hawidaku]

Oh wow thanks for the enlightenment *eye roll*

[@Tim1000064]

@@Hawidaku lol

[@Hawidaku]

Tim1000064 on a lighter note I just learned that putting asterisks around something makes it bold

[@Tim1000064]

@@Hawidaku Well at least I helped with something I suppose lol

[@guysnightlab]

Man The guy in white is Amazing. Doing Karate as an adult for 5 years, in the prime of my training sparing for 4 minutes alone you start to just swing with jello hands. It is impressive that he kept this up and actually spared for 7 full minutes.

[@brucefrazier9188]

Always tough to spar that many people in a row,and he was game

[@FightCommentary]

Bruce Frazier yep. Belt tests in Kenpo are a multi hour affair 😂

[@Batman-nz2ue]

Game of Death... wattaaaaa!

[@BWater-yq3jx]

Fun fact: Master Ken & Todd's actual martial arts background is in Kenpo.

[@FightCommentary]

REstomp the groin!!

[@BWater-yq3jx]

@@FightCommentary Always.

[@Icehso140]

You can tell this is true. Just watch for the slight smirky smile when Master Ken says "Kenpo is bullshit!"

[@Hedgehog-plant]

This was really good sparring, very enjoyable to watch. Great endurance too- would love to see some more footage!

[@FightCommentary]

I will show more footage soon from this kenpo school. Great people.

[@joshpinney1838]

This was horrible sparring, specially for a test. Hands were down the entire time, zero snap to any attack.

[@zeusraptis5834]

I love that you guys are sparring with differents martial arts

[@taekwondomaster4609]

TBH The man in the gi is really good. He did a great job in his sparring

[@aidangittings]

I am a black belt in Kenpo JiuJitsu, which is basically just a more aggressive style of Kenpo with a little bit more techniques (i.e. throws and armbars/non traditional submissions), and what people often fail to understand is that Kenpo is often times a very "kickboxing" like style, except you learn things with the intent of using them in the street instead of the cage. For example, we would learn that if we were ever put on the ground to gouge eyes out and bite skin off etc. Kenpo is a very real martial art (when used in it's highest form), and it's about time it gets the respect it deserves

[@tb9368]

😂😂😂😂

[@tb9368]

There's a reason why this style isn't respected as any type of actually decent fighting style. Shits on the same level as aikido.

[@bw5020]

​@@tb9368I wouldn't go that far

[@bobafatt2155]

@@tb9368, personally don’t practice kenpo but I do believe it is respected

[@medicationstation5251]

Your boy is very nice with his hands especially I thought ...a great mix of head and body strikes mixed with faints....good work !

[@MH-zg5yw]

is this a joke? the supposed Muay Thai guy looks like a second day beginner if that. In Muay Thai you don't drop your hands to block a kick unless you want a broken arm or wrist. And, he closes his eyes when he punches. He doesn't even know how to teep (front kick).

[@grayalun]

I'm sure there will be some keyboard warrior comments on here, the reality is this guy is trying to evolve what he does and improve and for me that deserves nothing but respect.

[@joshpinney1838]

I'm glad hes trying to evolve but his training partners were horrible too. Every style he faced was mediocre at best (at least in this video) all basic fighting principles were ignored, no one even reallybgit any contact

[@gxtmfa]

I’ve seen some suspect stuff from different schools of Kempo, but a lot of American Kempo looks great.

[@selfdefensept]

This is a very Good clip. I run my Black belt Tests the same way. 12 three minute full contact rounds against 4 different fighters on a rotational basis. The second fighter doesn't like a Kenpo stylist and appears to doing a lot of flashy slapping moves that seem ineffective. That nothwithstanding, Kudos to the man in the white gig taking the test. Excellent job.

[@bunklypeppz]

Yeah the second guy was throwing too many flicky arm techniques. That's a bad habit some people develop from not sparring with much contact-- they lose sight of the fact that one good punch is better than a dozen little taps and they just throw barrages of techniques that don't have much potential to be effective even if they were trying to do damage.

[@bradleyungles8605]

I fell asleep watching this. Not saying they didn't train hard or anything but there is absolutely 0 aggression here. It's like when I play box with my kids.

[@rubenzs3161]

It would have been nice to see the jiu jitsu guy fight on the ground. They stood them up immedietly but jiu jitsu really begins on the ground

[@southpawmoose]

Brazilian yes. Japanese no.

[@stephenmartin7227]

GJJ is mainly ground. BJJ is stand up, and ground in competitions.

[@mritchie85]

@Stephen Martin What are you talking about GJJ? Gracie Jiujitsu?

[@dianecenteno5275]

@@stephenmartin7227 BJJ is NOT stand up. If they have stand up, it was borrowed.

[@gxtmfa]

diane centeno There’s stand up in BJJ. Tons of wrestling techniques are universal. There’s no unique stand up techniques, but we still takedowns all the time.

[@Kamingo170]

Sparring back to back like that is super tiring so that dude in white did really well considering how many opponents he had

[@Balcaen123]

Nate Diaz calls this playing touch butt in the park

[@alfonsogonzalestoribio1754]

I respect this level of testing.

[@MEDIA_NETWORK_MARKET_CAP_IS_3M]

What style was the second to last guy he faced? His style was like bison from street fighter.

[@Groomsman]

datA That was Muay Thai

[@thedoubtfuls]

Looks like an old skool sanda guy

[@benmakestalkies]

@@Groomsman if that was muay thai then the giant dude had better muay thai.

[@Groomsman]

Ben Dreblow The MCMAP Guy? Wouldn’t surprise me, the first thing MCMAP teaches is kick-boxing

[@MEDIA_NETWORK_MARKET_CAP_IS_3M]

It’s strange seeing a mauy thai fighter wear pants

[@matthightower278]

No kicks to the legs or head , poorly chambered kicks , no power , almost no head movement .... this is why traditional martial arts need to evolve of die

[@brucebooker8346]

It is an unusually good school that brings in other styles to spar. Your friend has good cardio. He could use some lateral movement though. I noticed there were no low kicks or sweeps. Being foot swept and kicked in the nuts on the way to the floor by my first kung fu instructor forever changed my perspective (as a Tae Kwon Do black belt) on high kicks.

[@FightCommentary]

Foot swept and groin kicked. That sounds like an ouch!

[@brucebooker8346]

@@FightCommentary Yup, he was one of those guys who could drop low and sweep you in a split second, from that position he kicked up and I fell right on the kick.

[@handsomestik]

sparring and aliveness, the cornerstone of actual martial arts

[@grouchotrout444]

What a great video! Reminds me of backyard sparring drills and my short time studying shaolin kenpo. Subscribed after mooching for a minute lol. Love the content. Keep em comin!

[@BWater-yq3jx]

The 2nd guy looked the most Kenpo style, with his flowing hand combos. Cool that they bring in other fighters to test him, like the giant MT guy. He's not quite a 'Perfect Weapon', but he did pretty well! 😁

[@keyboardwarrior9258]

Good to see a Kenpo person that doesn't switch to bad kickboxing once the sparring begins. TMAs need more people like him.

[@ilitardo160]

I’m pretty sure the second guy isn’t Kenpo tho

[@mikewilliams735]

It was 52 blocks, lol aka jail house rock!!

[@mritchie85]

I didn't see any Muay Thai guy, all terrible man cmon.

[@georgekondylis6723]

Decent light sparring. A year or two of training boxing in a boxing gym would elevate their game.

[@sirgallant5000]

@RAWSNL it's not about style, it's about hitting with intent

[@georgekondylis6723]

Totally disagree. It translates well after modification. I have been training and teaching “old school” Tae Kwon Do for forty years. We hit bags and conditioned our hands for bare knuckle punches. Very valuable. Ten or so years ago I took up boxing to supplement my style. It opened my eyes to many things. I train both. Have you trained serious boxing at all?

[@majaimay]

@@georgekondylis6723 Agreed, it all really depends on your ability to adapt what you know to new situations. Been doing dutch kickboxing for two years now and I've been able to successfully adapt very traditional karate techniques into being very useful and functional in a mostly orthodox kickboxing arena. The kind of stuff that for years now so many people preached was useless and showy and ineffective, you just have to learn how to adapt and modify accordingly.

[@simoneriksson8329]

Regarding the question about if it would change the result if the Muay Thai guy where allowed to use elbows... sure it is possible but I don't think so because I never see them getting into elbow range, karateguy is good at keeping the distance in that fight.

[@Grapplersenpai]

Is the jiujitsu guy at the end Japanese jujitsu?

[@sexybluelady]

It looked like it.

[@Groomsman]

Yeah, that was Japanese Jujutsu

[@driver3899]

Have done Japanese Jujitsu but it didn't look like that. My guess would be Hapkido but I could easily be wrong, could be just another style of JJJ

[@scottage_teaches_jujutsu]

As a jjj teacher that is 100% jjj but there tends to be much bigger differences in style between schools than with bjj

[@keyboardwarrior9258]

@@driver3899 There are like over two dozens of JJJ styles, so your experience in one of them doesn't say a whole lot.

[@manuferreri]

why did they bring the jiujitsu guy in if they don't allow the ground fight to develop

[@driver3899]

exactly lol short timed bouts would have been better in my opinion

[@IXINineIXI]

Maybe they just assume he auto-loses if he gets taken down?

[@hectorheckler6327]

Win or lose, they just wanted to test his skills against multiple styles, safely

[@Institutional_13]

American kenpo is like watching 7 years old trying to fight after watching cobra Kai

[@pipapo7019]

So where did all the fancy moves go?

[@kaganturktur]

very very good. I dont know what style is the second guy but he looks like my father physically and stylistically (my dad is a jkd master) . he is so cool

[@imaclown12345]

idk if the second guy’s jkd, but his arm works look straight out of a wing chun wooden dummy routine without using the elbow much 🤔

[@mikewilliams735]

Lmaooo 52 blocks was the style very flashy and super effective. Its literally boxing and kung fu

[@clacicle]

What sparring looks like when you don’t understand the importance of keeping your hands up and other boxing basics. I should know because I sparred like this for years.

[@thedoubtfuls]

First round I think no head strikes, after that he used mostly legs for the long legged kicking opponents or just to starve off fatigue from the many rds

[@clacicle]

Mike There is no excuse for not practicing the basics all the time. Developing bad habits is detrimental to one’s health. I’ve been knocked out, had my nose broken and my ass kicked from one corner to another. Those guys were better than me no doubt. But, what made it worse was that I had not developed the habits of keeping my hands up, tucking my chin, moving, breathing, timing, setting my opponent up. Once these things started happening, it was like “holy shit!” This is what makes high level fighters so good. I did a lot of traditional martial arts for years and to be honest, the sparring in general was shite. Once I joined a boxing gym and then moved on to an MMA all of that changed. I saw the light.

[@thedoubtfuls]

@@clacicle i find it's sport specific, karate often fights hands down, competition rules (quite often) are no head punches, take a look www.quora.com/Why-are-kicks-to-the-head-permitted-under-the-Kyokushin-Kumite-rules-whereas-punches-to-head-are-not kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJ6bg5Samcqgp9k the emphasis on guard up chin tuck in the west comes a lot from boxing. imo traditional martial arts , which karate evolved from, would typically hold weapons, so it was more practical for the hands to be lower, as you can see with fencing.

[@algierssolja]

Hes probably just a hobbyist anyway. Hes having fun, staying in shape and capable of beating the untrained. In that sense he's successful. From my perspective his ground game is trash, but he's not training to fight bjj brown belts or golden gloves boxers. Probably just wants to protect his kids in non permissive environments.

[@akrocuba]

GREAT TRAINING!!! The respect demonstrated was simply outstanding! Much respect! OSS!!!

[@Psilocibinam]

In my opinion the level is low,nice technique but irrealistic,seems like they are scared to hit

[@chrislenz6634]

Great video, a lot of cool stuff in there!!

[@mattt9298]

Neat to see the different styles displayed. Thanks for sharing.

[@nottarookieapparelcompany2403]

Interesting. Of course, that is not brazilian jiujitsu so Im glad that was corrected. I went from American Kenpo off to other arts years ago. As much as I do applaud the fellow for sparring, there really wasn't any American Kenpo in there. Was it a different form of kenpo?

[@akmil02]

Kenpo is my go to art. 7 years in class. Still practice. Jujitsu to round out my fighting Great. Fast combos and brutality, but needs groundwork

[@akmil02]

We do eat low kicks, though

[@akmil02]

Your buddy has good head work

[@asvelasco7590]

Does the guy in the white gi do kenpo ? Sorry I’m so confused lol

[@imunfathomable]

This is the worst sparring I've ever seen. Anyone from a real gym would wreck that black belt and strip it from him and throw it in the trash. What a waste of space of KZbin's servers.

[@FightCommentary]

Send us footage any time!

[@serv-on]

Lol ya left out the fight commentary

[@FightCommentary]

Yep 😜

[@bronzetiger3837]

Probably because these guys knew what they were doing so they weren't open to ridicule like most of the vids this channel posts.😉

[@12aptures]

I have done this type of sparring, mma type sparring and street fighting.. completely different. Yes this karate type sparring does put technical skills to the test but what mma sparring does it teaches you to feel the pain and not be afraid of the hits. This allows practitioners to stay in the pocket and trade. I guarantee he wouldnt do half as good with contact. By the way i take nothing away from him. I just feel mma sparring is closer to the real thing.

[@larhannstuckey865]

You don’t get MMA without MA that’s a great training method to still train for real time he’s training for life experiences not the ring he needs heart to stay in the fight and not give up is all they were manly looking for after a 2 hours black belt test I think he did great to have control and still defend hisself your not much of an opponent to fresh legs and arms after you test that long

[@perkosherrigh7243]

Any 15 year old decent boxer would absolutely level these

[@daniel-san836]

Doubt it

[@RichardBejtlich]

Manny did a great job. Bringing in different styles is a wonderful practice. Congratulations. 🥋

[@lifeisrealonlythenwheniam5345]

Second guy in black costume was a speed punching bag

[@renatomazzella3293]

Awful kicks & grappling..why wear a black belt if u spar like that . Put on your white belt please

[@Psilocibinam]

Senza offesa ma meglio a sto punto imparare la boxe,piuttosto che scimmiottarne i movimenti spacciandoli per karate

[@ThePassionOfTheMarc]

My sister's friend was a black belt in Kenpo when she was 12. I have no idea how belt systems work but I was always curious if she only made black belt because her grandpa, Ralph Castro, owned his own dojo (it's still there). She's good though. Quick little Filipino girl.

[@isaacchavez5702]

Is that the same Kenpo guy each time?

[@alexscott730]

"Karate" guy is pretty good.Has the balls to go against bigger opponents.

[@EmanuelRiveraKick]

Even I can do the same if they dont throw me punches with power. they are just touching each other.

[@Keeper_91]

I hope one day to develop that amount of perseverance. That was amazing and I know everyone learned something after it was over.

[@JGato-ii6ky]

I studied both. Kempo is like a flow of hand strikes mixed in with a few kicks and tkd is a flow of kicks mixed in with a few hand strikes. The footwork in Kempo is slightly better I was taught a frunt kick of a cat stance in Kempo also to move out the was at an angle always the only thing is the combos always seemed unrealistic to me until today if I'm not mistaken the guy in white is American Kempo because I was tought to block and immediately hit like a 4 or 5 piece combo which I thought was ridiculous. Tkd is more like move out the way and kick hands are mainly blocking or oleying the opposition away like a matador. Their is hand striking but its pinpointed and a lot fewer. When I learned boxing tho all of it came together it's like I found the missing ingredient and it was simply footwork and balance.

[@Makeadifferencedavid]

Mucho respect for the fighter in the white gi . He handled all of them . A lot of cool situations . I wish in my style we could fight with our hands more

[@MattCantu76]

At the 2-minute Mark, wow I'm impressed that is kempo all the way. Blocking striking blocking striking and multiple strikes and counters. Muscle memory baby!

[@updem]

The last one was the most outmatched. The jiu jitsu guy had at least one choke out landed, the ground element makes it extremely hard to defend. Otherwise the Kenpo practitioner held his own against the others.

[@afrosch570]

Where is the difference between Kenpo and Karate?

[@FightCommentary]

Kenpo (the American kind) is a hybrid striking martial art. It has karate, Kung fu, boxing, and a little bit of judo in it. But the definition probably differs depending on who you ask 🤓

[@buddylove6718]

This only demonstrates that traditional karate teaches foundational skills. Most kenpo sparring looks nothing like how they slap train. IMO kenpo is make believe fighting.

[@walkerrobinson9614]

It seems, when it comes down to it, it resorts back to kickboxing style fighting.

[@chriswhite1584]

All of your videos are nice..!! But I like this 1 superbly..!! 👍

[@audiorange3721]

Weak! So the point in testing against the jiu jitsu guy was on his feet only? Clearly jiu jitsu would of won this. He was on his back and clearly uncomfortable on the ground. Kenpo guy just wasted all kinds of time learning something that doesn't help him on the ground which is where most fights end up. If you are trained in anything or not it typically ends on the ground. I never comment on videos but this just clearly tells me kenpo is only good for standup and might work if they are lucky enough to not face somebody who is a blue belt or higher in jiu jitsu. Just my $.02. Not trolling. Just my honest perception as somebody who has trained in multiple styles.

[@daniellink4637]

Soooooo… where are the actual “kenpo” techniques?

[@lockonnow4259]

The Best about Martial arts how do people Block the attack

[@ramon72pr]

This boxing or karate? 🤔

[@darktechnologyjoeramirez4252]

Solid black belt test solid you ain't getting your black belt this place without getting your ass kicked😮

[@ogmike8370]

Sending love and prayers to Bob White and his family ❤️

[@buddylove6718]

Karate practitioner had good stamina.

[@dakotahlove4019]

Id have liked to see more use of the jab and tep kicks but pretty

[@OIFOEFVETERAN123]

Train in as many styles as you can, but no style is the best.

[@RamonChiNangWong078]

I always though that Kenpo is a joke or is that San Soo (Jimmy H Woo) But spar in a row with multiple fighters in with each different style and discipline is bad ass

[@larhannstuckey865]

Chubby Huang thanks for that comment 👍🏾👍🏾

[@fuzzyhair321]

I practice bjj and I see once the jiu-jitsu goes in the fight ends so fast. Goes in with the punch and is straight into his guard. Can't punch or kick fast enough

[@striga422]

I see Bob White under kenpo in the background

[@amjan]

He basically boxes from the waist up, lol.

[@clacicle]

There is not much boxing going on here. A boxer would pick each one of them apart pretty quickly. If you don’t train the basics then pretty quickly it becomes obvious.

[@amjan]

@@clacicle You confuse boxing with world championship level boxing. Just because you're not as fast as Usain Bolt doesn't mean you don't run. Where do you think he got the jab from? Karate? lol

[@clacicle]

amjan The basics can be practiced by all. Bad habits are detrimental to your health. Anybody can throw punches and sort of make them look good. However, once you’ve had the chance to train with boxers, muy Thai fighters, MMA fighters, things change very quickly. Don’t believe me? Try it. I trained traditional martial arts for years and looking back, the sparring was embarrassingly bad. I saw the light though and joined a boxing gym and then moved on to an MMA gym. There is no excuse for neglecting the basics unless they’ve never been taught to you because your teacher didn’t know them. That was my excuse until I saw the light.

[@TheMartialMix]

I wish they'd let it continue on the ground

[@mikewilliams735]

The second fighter was using.....lol Jail house rock aka 52 blocks

[@uriel4370]

Los de Muay Tai como siempre rompiendo madresss

[@mustafabaykoz1555]

I honestly thought the guy with the black gi was Kenpo

[@robertcunningham6592]

He took down the bjj guy ? That's some good work 🥋

[@baragentledragon]

I see boxing, and a few street kicks? Wheres the Martial Arts part?

[@gunnerhiro394]

Hats off to you - great job!!

[@baronzz]

The second fight the dude in all black did a great job blocking punches

[@ryanadams85ra]

Good work guys

[@anon6413]

A tall guy who does Muay Thai sure is scary. Them knees.

[@markytnshyt]

Dude has legit cardio after sparring with 5 guys. The Muay Thai guy would have knocked him out if this was a real fight tho.... especially if he was able to use knees and elbows.

[@anoktokbatosai8113]

That last dude came in pretty aggressive. He was fresh in the scene though

[@thebodykeepsthescore2828]

My money is on the guy sat on a chair at 3:40 to the left of the vid. When his turn comes that is🤔 Tai chi tube would destroy these fools with his chi balls. Check him out if you have not seen him before😂

[@BeardedHobbyist]

Anyone notice when they both switched to a side stance lol. Thank you Bill suger foot wallace.

[@FirsteMann1929]

You know your doing something right when you're gi becomes untucked or ripped off in some cases

[@nelsonglinton]

I loved it!

[@wsgutierrez1]

That was a really good video. A great sparring session. It takes me back to the years I spent in Tracy's Kenpo. I really miss stuff like that. During my time in Tracy's, we never went to the ground. But I spent 2 years learning Kenpo 5.0. There, they really incorporate BBJ. Which I feel is more realistic.

[@FightCommentary]

Is the 5.0 label an often-used one? When did it emerge?

[@wsgutierrez1]

@@FightCommentary Kenpo 5.0 is Kenpo 5.0 it is not Ed Parker Kenpo , it is not Tracy's. Jeff Speakman has taken it in a different direction. Even though they may all be similar as in techniques and basics it has a different feel. I love Kenpo regardless of the style. It will always be my go to art.

[@FightCommentary]

jamie gutierrez looks like I Have another martial art to check out!

[@wsgutierrez1]

@@FightCommentary you can't go wrong with Kenpo but I would really recommend Kenpo 5.0

[@Herowebcomics]

Wow! This is some real life Street fighter stuff here! Several styles are being shown here and it is awesome! ...Even if it is not full force. I want to see some Kung Fu in there!

[@savagecoconut1735]

I know certain dojo’s if u attained a brown belt headshot is acceptable.

[@theqgene826]

I don’t spare without Boxing gloves, head gear, and shin guards.

[@OrfinMusik]

No commentary track?

[@FightCommentary]

Maybe I’ll bring someone in and watch this together with me. Definitely worth some commentary and slow mo too.

[@guillermoadrianleonarechig1483]

Did he get it? cos he deserved it all the way for the heart and technique put into.

[@FightCommentary]

Yeah, Manny got the black belt! I should bring him back soon!

[@Groomsman]

This was cool. I thought that Karatekas did more point fighting considering they were the only ones who wore helmets. It wasn’t kudo that’s for sure. I’m not sure how things would’ve went if elbows were thrown, the Kenpo guy would be throwing elbows as well (I would imagine). If there was ground fighting the Jujutsu and MCMAP guys would’ve had no problem (though I think the Jujutsu guy pretty much had it), it was clear the Kenpo practitioner wasn’t taught Kenpo 5.0

[@FightCommentary]

Groomsman when did Kenpo 5.0 emerge?

[@Groomsman]

Fight Commentary Breakdowns I don’t know exactly. All I can say is whenever actor Jeff Speakman wanted to develop it and teach it. I think it might’ve been early 2000s

[@complexblackness]

@@FightCommentary Early 2000s, maybe around 2002.

[@andy7666]

He did very well IMO. Very nicley done,

[@HalfSight88]

looks good but the guy in black needs to learn how to check low kicks, blocking kicks under waist level with your hands is very amaturist

[@russelladams9147]

I love the concept of various martial styles being a thing. Sadly, and always, it seems that once you put people of any style together, it turns into kickboxing/wrestling, etc. So, as someone who actually has experienced some very talented kenpoists, as well as other stylists, it seems to me that you're best bet is to put all the classical mess aside, as Bruce Lee used to say, and just become a dedicated athlete, focus on boxing, muay thai, submission escapes and takedown defense (you know, because you can't grapple safely on a city street). I do wish there was a fantasy world where we could see a master like Larry Tatum, walk into an octagon, and win a match in an MMA event. But then, I might as well wish aikido was an effective martial style as well or praying mantis Kung Fu, or drunken monk, or, you get the drift.

[@semenstainsthemountaintops9497]

Kenpo aikido karate etc. are all bullshit since MMA became a thing, if you want to learn something start training jujitsu if you like grappling or boxing/muay thai if you like classic fighting, everything else is useless bullshit

[@memegazer]

There is a video on this channel of a guy using drunken style...pretty entertaining

[@johnfkennedy115]

@@semenstainsthemountaintops9497 First of all. Kenpo still has a lot to offer so to say it’s bullshit is pretty stupid, and yes while the techniques are not gonna be preformed as taught the principles will still be applied. For example I may use a bit from one technique and put it together will a basic. To put this simply if someone throws a punch I could parry it and do a elbow to the face and a knee to the groin. I’m still using the principles but I’m making it more faster. So to make it clear while some systems are more effective than others it’s truly stupid to say a system is useless or bullshit. Because it’s not meant for combat fighting. They’re still many uses for these systems other than that.

[@bw5020]

​@@semenstainsthemountaintops9497 So how do you explain the folks who use karate in MMA? Do you actually do martial arts?

[@semenstainsthemountaintops9497]

@@bw5020 You can't compare "using" karate in MMA training to doing karate on its own. I used to do Kyokushin when I was a kid and the sport is very soft compared to muay thai, boxing or MMA. There is not enough contact for karate, aikido etc. to be put on the same level as the martial arts I've mentioned before, if you train to be a good fighter, karate alone will not be sufficient, muay thai on the other hand wlll be more than enough

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Very good