Xu Xiaodong Students Test Tai Chi Master (In Push Hands)

[@FightCommentary]

Anyone that wants to play chess with me, I will sporadically share my chess accounts, so add me next time I share my chess account with you all! Looking forward to hanging out!

[@kc6401]

Merry Xmas bro 🙏

[@tomgoffnett5624]

I would take you up on it. MAYBE after I can win a game against the grand children. :)

[@DravisC]

Added!

[@FightCommentary]

@@tomgoffnett5624 If you play Latvian gambit against them, you win an award. I always play Latvian Gambit against children (because they almost always accept the gambit and overextend)..

[@newgrower072-qg5tq]

the boxer doesnt have a chance

[@Simon2k17]

Poor student. Now he's going to die 70 years from now due to those pressure point strikes.

[@1flash3571]

And by that time, he will be around 95 years old, now 25.......I think he would have lived a good and long life....LOL

[@Simon2k17]

@1flash3571 he could have lived to 96!

[@Owen-z1t]

@@Simon2k17 True dat. But in an alternate universe xaidongs head just exploded.

[@josephnatali8802]

LOL!

[@SirPraiseSun]

very very true see taichi master is right!

[@jackochan]

This is embarrassing. This guy is not a master of Tai Chi maybe he is a master of Chai Tea.

[@mre_man]

Chai tea is delicious lol

[@scienceteam9254]

CHAI AND TEA ARE THE SAME THING FFS

[@slaveofgod3481]

@@scienceteam9254 is this a spider verse reference 😁

[@biomorphic]

Tai Chi and Chai Tea I am afraid are not different things...

[@nicolasandresmartinez-cond126]

I see what you did there!😂😂😂

[@indefenceofthetraditionalma]

‘T-Rex hands’ had me rolling 😂😂😂

[@FightCommentary]

Do you know why he was like that? Maybe to protect against arm drags and stuff?

[@WhoThisMonkey]

It's autism, I should know, I have it myself.

[@batistabomb914]

He was scared. My Tai Chi teacher always says that if you have T-Rex hands your structure is very poor. There is no reason just scared.

[@indefenceofthetraditionalma]

@ it’s much more of a wrestling response than a tai chi one. Typically, tai chi practitioners want to have contact. They usually start from contact. This whole exchange was just weird

[@assoverteakettle]

'T-Rex hands' is actually a legitimate colloquial martial arts term used in Brazilian Jiu-jitsu and other grappling arts as a defensive posture to avoid getting armbarred, or - in standing position - arm dragged or wrestler's wrist grab by keeping your elbows tucked closed to your ribs and thereby only exposing your forearms and hands like a T-Rex.

[@immortalwarrior2406]

The mma student looks like hes the taiji master😂🎉

[@maxisalas5249]

Wasn't he? And here i thought i was seeing a tai chi master from the streetz!!

[@1flash3571]

That Tai Chi master was too aggressive. He should have been more defensive....

[@SirPraiseSun]

its almost like he actually knows better pushes than the bullshido fake pusher

[@assoverteakettle]

If that is the case, then I see tai chi masters all the time at the bar on a Saturday night!

[@Steel9k]

​@@SirPraiseSun Is he a bullshido fake master then, perhaps?

[@justoldog]

Did he get his "master certificate" from Walmart??

[@farkinarkin5099]

Yeah, it was on a pre-Christmas sale. 😆

[@idliketosay]

@@justoldog nah, def Temu

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

That's kind of the point behind the video lol. So yeah

[@DasCollective2.0]

Yes, from Walmart for $2.99 ,Target for $1.98

[@farkinarkin5099]

@@DasCollective2.0 Dang, cheaper at Target?

[@ColossalSwordFormAndTechnique]

They r being respectful and holding in their laugh 🤣

[@ArmyK9]

Hip-Hop Taichi master 😂

[@Knapweed]

The Tai Chi master has blocked the flow of Chi by wearing his baseball cap backwards and indoors.

[@maxisalas5249]

He was being humble !!!

[@inhometraineroakville1174]

I dont train Tai Chi, but I do train in Bagua as well as several other martial arts. But the most important thing is to have proper rooting and structure. This guy had none of that. The students of Xu Xiadong actually understand Tai Chi and internal principles much more than this supposed master. Similar to how most Boxers have a better understanding of Wing Chun principles than most Wing Chun practitioners. There are so many guys out there who call themselves masters and have zero clue how to fight.

[@Simon2k17]

@@inhometraineroakville1174 maybe he has the structure from his spine to the ground, but not from his arms to the ground. There's not alot of information on solo training to create the structure from the arms. Furthermore, the shoulders is one of the hardest barriers to dissolve.

[@inhometraineroakville1174]

@Simon2k17 He has neither. Spine to ground structure is the most important one since everything is along the spine. You need to have a feeling as if your head is being pulled up by a string. This will naturally keep your chin down. You can see this idiot has his chin out. As far as arm to ground structure goes, we practice this in Wing Chun. We call it Turning Off The Shoulder. If the elbow is in and down and you coordinate with the body, that's the arm to ground structure also known as the three harmonies. To sum it up, this guy is just useless.

[@axellion4573]

Been a while since i was this early. MERRY CHRISTMAS, man.

[@omnigeddon]

Push hands requires extending your arms what you guys doing is called a shoulder charge not push hand

[@willms7173]

I believe that they were attempting to use it in application, and not how it's done during training.

[@stephenthomas6871]

I have competed in and won numerous push hands tournaments, including fixed step, moving step, and freestyle, as well as events at Koushu. Referring to this individual as a Tai Chi master does a disservice to the art. I trained under Zhang Luping, who remarked in the 1990s that many so-called 'fake Bushidos' lack genuine skill, and this individual seems to confirm that observation. That said, the skills learned through Tai Chi push hands should not be underestimated. I taught at the Baltimore Martial Arts Academy for 10 years, which offers instruction in ten martial arts styles, including Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and wrestling. Through my experience, I trained to counter and learn from all of these styles. To excel, you must approach training with an open mind-if push hands reveals techniques from another style that work, it only makes sense to incorporate them. The mechanics of the human body remain consistent across martial arts disciplines. Unfortunately, many Tai Chi purists are too closed-minded to embrace this perspective.

[@aweba25]

I really appreciate the honesty that comes from this channel. It's very rare that a martial arts influencer talks about the manipulation tactics that these fake teachers use. To hear the breakdown of the "teaching" manipulation tactic during the middle of sparring is refreshing. Also, the fact that Xu Xiao Tong picked up on it and stopped it immediately is refreshing. I have more respect for Xu and Andy now. I hope to hear more from Andy about manipulative tactics and aocial politics in traditional martial arts schools that are dragging down and destroying traditional martial arts.

[@phoenixmountain]

Never even seen "moving step" push hands. That guy's a "master"?

[@cujotwentysix7519]

Moving step push hands is part of tai chi competition, Josh Waitzkin (now a BJJ Black Belt) used to compete in it

[@phoenixmountain]

@@cujotwentysix7519 I've only ever seen fixed-step push hands at all of the traditional martial arts tournaments I've competed in (not that I've even been to that many). It does look interesting though.

[@willms7173]

Many push hands training videos covers moving step push hands. It may not have been allowed in some competitive events due to the rules, but in reality it's only natural for someone to move their feet. Traditionally, students start out learning fixed step push hands, and they will eventually progress to moving step push hands.

[@phoenixmountain]

@@willms7173 At tournaments I've seen Wing Chun guys compete in push hands because they practice chi sau and it's similar as far as the fixed position. For more realistic combat sports I tend to think Judo, Jiu-Jitsu (or wrestling) and Muay Thai (or San Shou) are the best arts to train in.

[@FlatlandMando]

I like that Xu, just wants..." stop talking & push."Absolute common sense in this situation!

[@WhoThisMonkey]

Common sense cannot exist, as the majority of humans aren't capable of it

[@ShorelineTaiChi]

In these matches, the principals all agree to pretend it was a real Tai Chi master. We are supposed to believe that he was a widely respected Tai Chi master yesterday; but today, thanks to journalistic reports like this one, we all know better. The problem is this. And I say it with all due respect to the man, who showed up and tried and played fair enough. The problem is, we didn't know about him yesterday either.

[@riversedgekickboxing694]

Merry Christmas Jerry hope you’re having a great one brother!

[@silkplayer9]

Internal Martial Artist here, first basic principle of internal m.a is structural strength and it’s hilarious that the “Tai Chi master” has ZERO of this and Xi’s student actually did way better. P/S: i will give you guy a sneak peek of the secret of Push Hand. It’s for training and building your structural INNER power so not about striking or grappling like most misconceptions, when doing push hand you must keep the right EXTERNAL posture and INTERNAL posture correct at the same time, you “push” with your whole body not just your hand(like the “master” in this clip). How to train it right ? ? I don’t know . . .

[@FlatlandMando]

White ball cap guy got nothin'. Even if an "average"young man were to mug the master, he'd have his wallet in seconds while meeting very low resistance! WHY is the guy so bad?

[@silkplayer9]

@ As an insider i have some explanations, the nature of Internal M.A is esoteric so even of you ARE a student doesn’t mean you are a closed door student which the masters actually teach you the real thing. Second Internal M.A is abstract, demand a lot self examination from within so basically 100 dudes learn it only about 1-2 dudes really achieve something. And other 99 dudes will mostly become a “teacher” and spread the wrong thing(like countless “master” you saw being smash on this channel). So yeah a game of attrition.

[@kagyu1]

@@silkplayer9 so much bullshido here. Would love to see you against an uncooperative resisting opponent with one years training in boxing , Sanda, Jiu Jitsu or Muay Thai. There is no inner circle , closed door. You don’t have super chi powers. You are delusional.

[@Seoulmoonrhee]

Thanks for pointing out how the taichi master in the video is underwhelming- I'm an internal martial artist too, and trained with mma guys, grapplers etc who respected my kung fu abilities instead of any lineage I might have. Sad to say, I haven't met many kung fu guys who can do authentic practical sparring! 😂

[@SouthpawJoe]

I'm really sorry you've been wasting your life 😢

[@StylinAzn]

I love your videos bro!! Keep Up the good work 👍👍

[@imatimetraveler5760]

It's obvious he doesn't want to hurt him he just demonstrates something that is not a fight. 👍

[@ShorelineTaiChi]

Xu's students are using a distant fence opening. Nothing wrong with it... but within Tai Chi, this is generally considered an invitation to sanshou. Normally tuishou is initiated from a contact bridge position instead. So it's mixed messages for the Tai Chi guy.

[@FightCommentary]

That’s interesting!

[@MissesWitch]

It's great to see Xu Xiaodong again! And I can see you're wearing yellow glasses like Bruce Lee! It might give you some of that knowledge!

[@mo-em1ke]

Bruce lee didn't have any knowledge or experience... all he did was rebrand wing chun and market it to the west..

[@Ostsol]

Xu Xiaodong is always great to see. He really is going into this in good faith - obviously doubting the efficacy of these masters, but completely willing to let them try.

[@1080ilowres]

He's like the James Randi of martial arts.

[@factshunter187]

Good video, I liked it a lot. Thanks! 😇

[@nicholasg9804]

You should interview shoreline Tai Chi and his videos. I've been doing Chinese martial arts and sport fighting arts for about 20 years on and off and he openly has an open push hands with MMA and Brazilian jiu jitsu people coming in to compete. He does this to kind of get rid of the bulshit you should go and interview him and you should also post his videos.

[@basilefff]

Chess is an amazing game but it's so addictive

[@FightCommentary]

Especially when you make a new opening work! Lets play some time! Add me! Link’s in pinned comment.

[@cambodianriverpig7613]

@@FightCommentary What is the best way to become a chess master? Is there an online course you can recommend?

[@atomic_wait]

老师还是老失吗。Been learning Chinese long enough that I can start making bad puns!

[@always_trust_all_scientists]

I love this channel man.. this is cool.

[@0ooTheMAXXoo0]

Tai Chi master? Why not name the video Fake martial artist? An actual Tai Chi master would at least know the first thing about Tai Chi... What is the point of taking a novice, calling them a master and then showing how bad they are? These videos have nothing to say about styles, only about specific fraudsters...

[@AntusrioCreoli]

That's true, There's real Master and FakeMaster, The real Tai Chi master can kill Xu xiadong in 1 second.

[@chessshyrecat]

@@AntusrioCreoli This is as ridiculous of a comment as pretending the guy in the video knows actual Tai Ji. Sometimes it is important to differentiate. Proper Tai Ji practitioners who actually learned the real skills for fighting would probably do much better, but not kill someone in one minute, who also trained as much or more to fight. It is already rare to even find a good teacher nowadays who can actually do it, because of the cultural revolution in China and I'm sure those who do don't want too much attention because of that and true Tai Ji practitioners are Daoist and that means they are also not into bragging, competition or openly sharing :D Anyone who is running around in China pretending to be a big shot and Tai Ji master is already outing himself to be a fraudster. Like any Chinese martial art it is a weapon based art first anyway. Tai Ji was mainly fighting with a sword and things you could do, based on sword fighting fundamentals in case you couldn't use a sword. Context matters and Tai Ji is not designed for dueling someone empty handed with a rule set.

[@AntusrioCreoli]

@ I understand what's tai chi is. TaiChi isn't for fighting. It is good for health

[@chessshyrecat]

@@AntusrioCreoli This just means you fell for the false advertising of the chinese communist party selling fake tai ji as gymnastics. Congratulations, you are as ignorant as the people who do this kind of park tai ji and think they can fight. The funny thing is proper tai ji actually also conditions your body and would therefore improve your health too, like training any style of fighting would, but the fake stuff doesn’t even do that 😅 But it is ok if you are brain is too challenged by having more than to boxes where everything needs to fit in perfectly and nothing inbetween is allowed to be possible. I won‘t judge you if it is too much for you to comprehend something a little more complex and nuanced and you need to limit yourself to still function in this world. I wanted to help you understand, but I don’t care enough to force you to widen your horizon. It is your choice to stay ignorant. Alright, go have fun and play with your toys and enjoy the bliss of thinking you are really smart, good for you :)

[@tomgoffnett5624]

Great that you address these martial artists that want their students to be literal dummies. Stand here, don't react to any of my openings, just take the strike and act like it was amazingly effective.

[@FightCommentary]

Yep. Even Xu’s student was almost falling into that trap. Makes me feel better consider I’ve had that type of bullshido stuff done to me too.

[@sifuniko]

He needs to Push with Me! ❤

[@FightCommentary]

Niko!! Glad to see you here!

[@codforlife]

Exactly! @sifuniko you are a beast! Xu Xiaodong doesn't seem to challenge people that are actually good. It would ruin his image.

[@michaelnurge1652]

@@codforlife That's kind of the point, isn't it? I mean, for him, wasn't it just about exposing fakers? He seemed to treat a lot of others respectfully, as long as they don't start making outlandish claims or try to manipulate his students.

[@devindodge8648]

Bro great video.

[@richardhenry1969]

Jerry merry Christmas and happy new year. Always enjoy your videos. I train FMA and small circle jujitsu because they are the best self-defense I've found in my area.

[@fwfefrtefdv4719]

You can easily judge this book by its cover

[@EngineerMK2004]

I once had a supposed high level BJJ instructor do a pushing drill in a class. He said we were only to push and off-balance eachother. When he was losing to some of us, the started throwing and claimed he was "triggered" into cheating the rules of the excercise. Never listen to these people.

[@ThaWu]

That's it, I'm quitting my tai chi classes tomorrow

[@smartresearchwingchun494]

Pushing hands is supposed to be used in action (both parties are pushing or pulling) it takes advantage of weak moments.

[@quickheavenseta]

T-Rex style of Tai Chi master is perfect for a right cross just like on other videos 😅

[@EliteBlackSash]

His body language is completely afraid the entire time 😅 soon as they touch him he chicken wings his arms back and steps back. He’s a master of practicing in the park at 6AM 😅😅

[@DasCollective2.0]

Marry Christmas to you brother

[@rogermanley9017]

There’s a really good video of an authentic Tui shou practitioner ‘wrestling’ with one of the Gracies. Just because this clown is fake doesn’t mean there isn’t some merit in Tui shou training.

[@EliteBlackSash]

I think you are referring to the video of champion Tui Shou Chen vs Marcelo Garcia. He does very well, his only weakness is leg hooks - which he could supplement with Shuaijiao

[@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812]

That's not actually the point of the video although most make it out that way. Xu's videos really are more so individual specific. He only intentionally does this stuff with individuals he knows for a fact know diddly 💩/are a joke. Whatever happened to him fighting yi long?(Find out that he beat buakaw 1 out of 3 times lol)

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

​@@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812I think unfortunately we have the Tai chi sucks crowd that believes ALL Tai chi practitioners are this bad. And this video gives more ammo to their argument. Xu Xiadong knows this and continues to make more video's. For all we know, this man could be a street corner homeless guy or paid actor that doesn't even know Tai chi.

[@21centdregs]

hell yeah. keep on keepin on man. i love this channel. charlatans and bullshido artist's of all stripes strike a very dissonant chord with me

[@immortalwarrior2406]

Did anyone else see the Asian superman pop up😂

[@FightCommentary]

Yeah! I bet you a lot of Xu’s students are super fun to chill with!

[@draekan2753]

The T-Rex arms are from his tai chi. The relaxed shoulders and sinking elbows combined with wanting to keep his hands up but not extended much .

[@R0der1que]

What style tai chi is this guy supposed to be master of? Not sure if i missed it but that doesn't look like tai chi at all

[@gi7685]

Is there a efficient style ? Please show me.. because feom what i see this is exactly what i expect from tai chi

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

​@@gi7685See the video" Real Kungfu fight Ep41/ TAJI Quan Vs Wrestling / it's about gongfu". There's about 15 others showing Tai chi beating other grapplers. And some others of it winning in the cage.

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

See the video " Real Kungfu Ep41/ Taiji. Vs Wrestling/ It's about gong fu". There's about 15 other video's of Tai chi guys taking on judo, shuai jiao, Greco Roman wrestling and freestyle wrestling. I'm surprised you never saw better than this.

[@R0der1que]

There's a video I saw on KZbin where a tai chi guy took on one of the Gracie's I saw a while ago but can't find the link.

[@Steel9k]

​If this is what you expect from Taichi, then you might not be the sharpest knife here.. sorry : )

[@SelectsCanneberges]

I practiced push hands on and off for a few months years ago, and what we got to was a standing type of pummeling wrestling where the goal was to break your opponents structure to throw them off balance and trip them or tie them up. Part of this included what Japanese Martial Arts call "Muchimi" or sticky hands sensitivity. There is nothing magical about it. It's a subset of standing fighting and it best paired with striking and grappling elements. I would personally not refer to it as its own martial art.

[@FightCommentary]

Muchimi sounds like a great term for me to search up!

[@BWater-yq3jx]

There are really TWO issues in all of this Tai Chi vs MMA debate. 1. The question of the effectiveness of Tai Chi in that context. 2. The questionable skills of the so-called masters who participate.

[@tayslaywift9361]

Nothing says "taichi" more than an old dude in taichi garb and a backward cap

[@williamcotts1552]

Master my backside, I have done Tai Chi for fifteen years, both short and long form,. Before that many years learning Karate at 78 I know I could still wipe the floor with him .

[@markdaniels4178]

Tai chi is not known as a fighting art but as a healing art. However, it could be affective if integrated into boxing, judo, wrestling or karate

[@sifuniko]

Xu Xiaodong VS SIFU Niko Let’s make it happen ❤ Sparring!

[@FightCommentary]

Let's get you to China one day and that would be so cool! Especially if you and Xu's kungfu friend who's done push hands do some push hands!

[@choshun8]

Yes please. Was going to suggest

[@bestthingsinceslicedrice]

Taichi master: I will push you but be careful since you will fly a 100 ft because of my powerful chi *applies the technique, totally fails* Taichi master: ok looks like you have your left pinky toe on the wrong place, your tounge a little bit loose on your mouth, the direction of wind messed up my Fengshui and the morning glory is not up thats why it was nullified

[@EskiltheWanderer]

The first bout was not so much push-hands as it was a standing wrestle joust. In the second bout, the new challenger actually proved that he knew how push-hands works, and the tai chi master would not hang out in it. Instead, he would scrap for a chance to shove his opponent and then just bailed or got shoved when he couldn't, which is disappointing.

[@DavidHerreraLópez-x1t]

Student look more like Tai Chi than Tai Chi guy

[@SpiritOfJustice]

An old Tai Chi master with a backwards baseball cap😂

[@mayadog2497]

way too many fantastic ridiculous claims are made about Tai Qi and its "powers'. Its a shame that its not just recognized for what it DOES offer. I spent years practicing Tai Qi, and using it for fighting or self defense had NOTHING to do with what we learned. What I learned was not that different from the physical therapy Ive had to do for serious injuries. We learned balance, movement, form, body mechanics. When I was learning JiuJitsu,, what I learned from Tai Qi most definitely gave me an advantage as a beginner as I had a basis of knowledge on how to move another persons body, or mine in order to maximizer leverage, balance, force. That being said, I dont get what it is the "tai qi" master in the video was trying to do. He didnt appear to have any of the skills that we focused on, and was himself under the delusion that his weak old body had a change against someone with even the slightest knowledge of balance and movement. Be nice if theyd just stay in their lane. Everywhere Ive been in Asia, the parks are filled with older people practicing Tai Qi together. Its beautiful and looks like theyre gracefully dancing in slow motion. Id would say that none of them are under the delusion that have any fighting skills, but I can say, that for being as old as many of them were, they were moving better and had more flexibility and strength than your average american kid. I took the chance to practise with them several times, and they were very good. I never considered myself all that great at my Tai Qi....and those old folks made me feel awkward and clumsy by comparisson.

[@checkmategaming9188]

The answer is simple. That is no master. Just someone who loves to talk hands

[@ShorelineTaiChi]

You can also see the difference between sport rules and park rules here. Park rules are light and polite, right up until they are fast and vicious. You make the senior lose face, and suddenly he goes for your neck?! To be perfectly clear, these are not good rules at all. However they ARE the historically accurate, time-honored convention for amateur TCMA, including Tai Chi.

[@azazelreficulmefistofelicu7158]

Merry holidays and happy Christmas 😂

[@Joel-xt5yz]

push hand is really mystical. there is a guy who is a Shaolin tempo karate black belt in my judo club, and obviously the way how he fight incorporates push hand movements. therefore I just told him from my Xing Yi experience that once you use push hand to get through the sleeve of the gi (aka the most annoying fighting range) take a deep grip under the arm pit or back

[@FightCommentary]

You wrote "tempo" like you were playing chess. I love it! If you play chess, add me. Link is in the pinned comment.

[@Joel-xt5yz]

@@FightCommentary I mean "kempo", my computer has autocorrection

[@FightCommentary]

@@Joel-xt5yz Oh man, I thought I found another chess player. Well, sounds like you have trained some very cool arts. Please send me footage some time! You're the type of martial artist I want to feature more!

[@Joel-xt5yz]

@@FightCommentary thank you! I think you are a very rational and objective commenter, and I like your work as well. I would love to share my training with you, and I will ask my coach if he want me to take some footage of me training at the club in future

[@kevinho2746]

Omg this taichi master is awesome... I expected him to try some silly physics display but instead he literally tries to use a Jedi mind trick 😂😂😂 and then Xu Xiaodong is like, your Jedi mind tricks will not work on me or my student!

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

He:s a Tai chi master? How do you know?

[@jimanHK]

Don't call him Tai Chi master because obviously he is not

[@lindltailor]

At this point we assume this is a paid advertisement for Xu’s gym, and the tai chi master is an actor. Why show up in his silk Pyjamas? Super fake, these marketing scams happen a lot in China

[@axellion4573]

The pandas are following the master pandas

[@Owen-z1t]

I've done tai-chi on and off for years, most tai chi guys can't fight at all, and most don't even do push hands. Funnily enough the best at push hands I encountered was a 65 yo woman who had training in beijing, she was good at it, but I wasn't going to "test" her by shooting the double leg or being aggressive anything.

[@mmurmurjohnson2368]

The 2nd guy has more of the combat Tai chi posture and attitude. I'll say it again, Tai Chi has to be wielded with a thuggish attitude, no blocking, no retreating, no monkey slapping. Connect, blend, devistate, one two three. You can't approach this style timidly, you gotta commit, gotta jump into the fire

[@753studios6]

@@mmurmurjohnson2368 exactly because martial arts are for making it home at the end of the day.

[@thai-cheese]

I do tai chi push hands. While there are some pressure point stuff in tai chi, it is not a primary technique. This "master" is doing terrible in the first round because he was trying to sneak his hands through the student's guard instead of engaging his structure, which results in a compromised position when the pressure point can't reliably do some magic. The second kung fu and MMA guy actually does a good demonstration of what people should do in terms of engaging from the arm and then pushing into the structure.

[@ShorelineTaiChi]

Nobody has a fool-proof, clear-cut, universally accepted definition of "Tai Chi Mastery." But everyone knows that it is more impressive to crush a Master, than to beat a hobbyist. Therefore, both sides of these bouts have an incentive towards grade inflation. (And maybe the people reporting on them, also have the same incentives?)

[@codforlife]

I find these videos quite sad. Delusional fake 'masters' get exposed, while there are other really great push hands practitioners out there. I don't think i have ever seen him challenge any good sparring based, young strong martial artists. Always picks the weakest examples.

[@CharlesBetancourt-iq9oe]

Your not alone in your opinion. See the video " Real Kungfu fight Ep41 TAJI Quan Vs Wrestling/ it's about gongfu". Listen to the you tuber talk about Xu Xiadong'.

[@driver3899]

Ok now lets see the same set up for Wing chun's chi sau/sticky hands Can a WC master redirect an MMA guys punch if they start with in the traditional position? Can an MMA guy stop a WC master's punch from start position?

[@user255]

No. Yes.

[@LiwaySaGu]

old man vs young man ... more than 20 yrs gap it wasn't the skill of either it was the age gap

[@loudradialem5233]

Xu knows we (KZbin and X) watch him? These sites are illegal there.

[@FightCommentary]

They're technically not allowed, but even the government uses them, so as long as you don't do too much stuff that's "not allowed," you're usually okay using all these sites through a VPN. That being said, I'm not advocating for anyone in China to interpret what I just said as the norm or the official policy.

[@ShorelineTaiChi]

I'll make a few quick points in separate comments here, as an expert insider. Not to justify what is happening, but to help viewers understand why it is happening.

[@milk_steak_the_original]

no, this isn't push hands. in push hands there is sensing, typically a light touch. it doesn't stay light but it should start that way. the young guy is doing more tai chi then the old guy. his hands are actually open and palms facing his opponent. the 'strikes' as you call them should be aligned with the 8 postures, outside of that ex: punches...thats sparing. I've seen pressure point grabs in push hands but that is kind of cheap and weird unless agreed to, and this is even cheaper.

[@stephenkywong]

I know that some tai chi is pressure point based, but you still need strength and pressure test testing to perform the tai chi moves but what baffles me is that the tai chi master doesn’t seem to be doing any tai chi am I missing something?

[@zacapodcast]

Poxa, sacanagem! Colocar um velhinho caquético pra disputar força contra um atleta.😂

[@toshioikene8200]

looked a little weird. I thought push hands were planted feet(any movement short of swivelling the foot and you lose), started connected or touching. Then all else goes, push/pull/throwing, china(small joint manipulation), sticking hands, striking, locking/trapping. Not suppose to step to move the opponent off stance. Then again, who knows... maybe different rules.

[@illiJomusic]

taiji master doesn't know Taiji Quan. His hands show his lack of applied knowledge.

[@devindodge8648]

Tai chi master needs to pull after his push and push after his pull. He's basically using wing chun crossed with mantis style, not tai chi.

[@circulationsolutions9149]

This is such a problem for traditional martial arts! No pressure what so ever... they love their games, hate the uncontrolled enviornment...

[@ChristopherCheung-me3kc]

All about the center line and ground power

[@tule8669]

Even the mma student uses kung fu ready position...

[@milk_steak_the_original]

his hands specifically are not tai chi hands(open hand middle and thumb slightly forward), unless it is something I've never heard of. the fingers and hands are supposed to sense his opponent. He has no peng or ward off which the young guy does have. It looks like he is going for a pressure point strike, which again....I've never seen the fingers configured that way for pressure point strikes. Looks like a bad praying mantis fist.

[@Gwer98]

Great point...application.

[@josephnatali8802]

T-Rex hands because he's an elderly gentleman. It's really sad actually.

[@emptybuddha5308]

This is pushing hands? It’s just pushing. I thought in pushing hands the two are in constant touch and trying to push each other off balance or destroy structure.

[@stanbaker2116]

No Taiji master in the video

[@biomorphic]

Master of none.

[@dtla5052]

Xu X my favorite Chinese fighter 🤜

[@inmemoryofin]

If you’re not already a fighter no martial art is going to make you one. It’s gotta be in you to begin with. You don’t have to be born with it but it’s gotta be there or you’ll never be able to fight. It’s like how learning to operate a guitar won’t make you a musician.

[@Octopussyist]

Ho is he a master? I have done pushing hands with guys who seemed better than him.

[@digimonsho0123]

Is the "master" just a local talkative visitor with alot of theories? Or does he have a legit school and teach?

[@cldavis33]

I have seen and touched with some talented legit Tai Chi teachers, they were nothing like this old joke. He has no base at all!

[@JohnSmith-gu9gl]

Xu Xiaodong is a chinese Hero! I love this guy. May God guide and protect him!

[@bpsutherland]

It's very simple. That is not a taiji master. He doesn't even hold himself like a taiji stuident. Y'all shouldn't be so gullible or ignorant.

[@shmoopiebear]

If it's co-operative drilling for learning, it's one thing. But if it was a challenged sparring scenario, then NHB. The tai chi teacher wants to show his tricks, but only on his terms. Nerp.

[@jerry171460]

I wonder if Xu Xiaodong called himself Sifu or teacher/trainer.

[@LeonYuL]

if the taichi "master" uses blocking technique from football and gets his hands into his center, he could have pushed the student easily

[@FightCommentary]

Very few people train in football (I assume you're talking about American Football) in China. That being said, if you're talking about the other football (soccer). I once met a pro soccer player who had amazing "push hands" abilities. She was so hard to push because she applied her ability to "box out" another soccer player. It's something she trained as an offensive soccer player when dealing with the defense. So much of this stuff is connected and similar. And that's why it's so interesting to look at different arts and sports. If Tai Chi were trained better, it could be applied to so many sports and life situations (not just fighting).

[@catocall7323]

​@@FightCommentary I did tai chi and push hands for years. There was only a select group of people I met who practiced in a way that created real skill in what you are supposed to be learning and the ones who did have it were amazingly hard to move and had you off balance the minute you tried to muscle your way through. There really is a valuable skill that can be learned through it. It's not a fighting system, it's a skill that can help any fighting system. But these skills are very rare, even in the tai chi community, and most push hands I've seen is either useless or just crappy wrestling. The skill is to redirect whatever pressure applied to you in a way that makes it impossible for them to affect your center of gravity but to do it subtly enough and quickly enough that you are ahead of their initiative. All fighters develop this naturally with experience but proper push hands develops it to a very high level rather quickly.

[@LeonYuL]

@@FightCommentary I mean American football 🏈

[@cent0r]

Bullshido aside, it's a young man vs an old guy

[@fauzalr.6784]

@@cent0r Don't you know that in the movies the greatest tai chi masters are people who have mastered the power of chi for decades and are able to defeat strong, muscular young men?