American Reacts Group B: When Rallying Got TOO FAST

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[@Ingleborough111]

Left foot braking means you have control over power and braking at the same time. This was used to set up the car for bends. Not required for normal driving.

[@bubbles1525_]

And you keep turbo spooled up, brake boosting

[@DiGiDaWgZs]

plus it puts much greater strain on the transmission and powertrain. If you do this in your road car you will trash it very quickly.

[@bubbles1525_]

@@DiGiDaWgZs not true, brake boost alot in my car haven't broke anything. Wears the shit out if your breaks tho

[@bubbles1525_]

@@DiGiDaWgZs and if it does break, most likely too much lower for transmission

[@-virux-3093]

@@DiGiDaWgZs Left foot braking alone won't trash your car that's bs. Your car doesn't care with which feet you operate the brakes. Staying on the gas while braking on the other hand will trash it.

[@RedLine0069]

those cars were doing 0-60 MPH in less than 2.3s ..... on Gravel lol

[@cliffcrabtree4359]

It was due to some spectator fatalities, and the death of Henri Toivonen, and his co-drver, Sergio Cresto rallying in France. Group B was banned soon after.

[@billyyank5807]

Completely tragic wreck that was.

[@nirfz]

The last nail in the coffin. The FISA boss already was looking for official excuses, as it bothered him that Group B had gotten more popular than F1. And that was not allowed to be.

[@shmupperfromhell]

You're not being annoying, we want your perspective - it's why we like your vids. Rallying is probs the craziest motorsport that has ever existed and is quite normal in europe. I personally enjoy seeing your astonishment at the danger of it :p it can get dark though, especially when these guys wrap themselves round a tree :/ EDIT: PS: You are taught 'safe driving' in driving school, not effective driving :>

[@IAT1964]

Isle of Mann TT

[@ocrOPK]

The teams often found dismembered fingers etc inside the scoops since many ppl actually tried to touch the cars.

[@schiet100]

ive just googled that. thats some crazy shit

[@PeeVee1979]

I forgot which driver it was who said that when the crowd got closer and closer to the cars the driver stopped thinking them as humans. They were just bushes and trees to them. It would've been impossible for them to go flat out through the crowd if they didn't change their mindset. You should see Ari Vatanen at Pikes Peak. It shows brilliantly his foot work.

[@Husnain237]

If I'm remembering correctly, it was Röhrl Not 100% sure on that but can't think of who else it could be

[@franklove9897]

@@Husnain237 - Yes I agree it was Walter Rohrl who said that about spectators

[@paulcaswell2813]

@@franklove9897 Definitely Walter. Although in the '86 Portuguese, the drivers were tip-toeing through that opening stage. To add to the problem, Santos was a local driver who shouldn't have been let loose with a works RS200...

[@zzirSnipzz1]

@@paulcaswell2813 crowd was standing in a stupid area the outside of a corner is always dumb

[@paulcaswell2813]

@@zzirSnipzz1 They always did in Southern Europe...

[@jjpark98]

To explain "turbo lag" very simply as you showed a little confusion in the video. When you step on the gas in a car that has a turbo charger, it takes a little bit for the turbo to spool up/"kick" in, hence why it's called "turbo lag". In-depth Explanation: A turbo charger has a turbine inside that recycles the exhaust gases of the engine to power the turbine. The turbine forces air directly into the engine intake manifold (fancy words for simply "air intake") which creates a higher fuel/air mixture which increases power in the engine. This term is called "forced induction". The common problem turbos inherently have is that they need to reach a certain threshold before it can start producing boost. The turbine needs to "spool" up to a certain speed in order to force air into the engine (this speed will depend on the engine and turbo used among other factors). So to break it down step by step: 1. You hit the gas pedal 2. This then brings up the RPM (Revolutions Per Minute) in the engine 3. Higher RPM means more exhaust is being expelled which propels the turbo's turbine higher 4. Like charging an attack in a video game, it takes the turbo's turbine a few seconds to reach it's intended speed. When it does, it starts creating boost 5. The engine revs up higher because of the boost and subsequently you go faster That's an oversimplification but essentially that's what is happening. As mentioned in the video you watched, there is also another type of boost/forced induction device called a "super charger". A super charger is typically mounted on top of the engine and uses NO exhaust gases to power it's turbine but instead is linked directly to the engine's crankshaft with a belt which allows it to be SUPER responsive and always providing some form of boost even at low revs. Though the inherent problem with super chargers is that they're always on. Since it's driven by the engine's crankshaft itself, whenever the engine is on, the super charger is also always on. For this reason, super chargers are much less fuel efficient than turbos as turbos stay off at low revs and only turn on at a certain point.

[@connor2053]

Probably one of the best basic explanations of a turbo I've seen in yt comments sections lol

[@imaysin97]

Damn bro ....nice job.

[@paulknox999]

for conventional driving you should never be braking and accelerating at the same time so if you use the same foot for both there is much less chance of you doing this and having an accident. your left foot is for the clutch in the majority of cars around the world as they are manual transmission, excluding the USA of course.

[@strangelyjamesly4078]

@6:35 2 foot driving, but THREE pedals. Brakes, gas and clutch. These cars had a manual shift. Right foot is brake and gas, left foot is clutch. Work the brake and gas with both feet and then left foot on clutch to change gear. This slows you down and keeps the turbo spinning. You are taught not to do it as you dont have a works team of mechanics at home to rebuild your engine each night.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

I assumed sequential shift was common in motorsport even in the 80s. Apparently not.

[@pmericsson8672]

No, left foot breaking means you use the left foot for break and clutch. In mordern rallycars you nerver use the clutch on the stage. The old cars you had to use the clutch to save the grearbox kzbin.info/www/bejne/eH6oooJ9ms-fqNk

[@axlm.808]

@@lumpyfishgravy It was semi sequential gearboxes most of the time. Meaning you had a clutch pedla but used it only for starting up. Once launched you can shift without using the clutch as long as you are at the right RPM

[@numerologyart]

I just realized why this question came up in a first place - US has 99% of automatic gear boxes :)) Ok, you do use gas and brake in the same time to keep power as much as possible and to ensure that you have as much grip and steering capabilities at the same time (when brake, car front goes down) .. but it all is applicable if you are driving with a stick (manual) - no gear changing at that time (at least not on a up side)

[@Felix-sx8zh]

Because those are not automatic cars. You have a gas, break and clutch paddle.

[@r3uvsgaming]

That alone is not the reason, left foot braking is ill-advised no matter what the transmission type, manual or auto.

[@finnishculturalchannel]

If you're interested in the world of Rallying and Rally Drivers and the history, I recommend a well put together documentary "Rally: The Great Adventure". It's about an hour and half long, so maybe not for reacting, but it's interesting, entertaining and informative watching without a commentary.

[@julianmcwey866]

I grew up in this era saw the group b guys personally in ireland it was amazing !! Have not looked at rallying since group b died

[@sugoruyo]

Left foot braking is something you'll see in racing so that you can keep your right foot on the gas. There's a few reasons for this. One is, especially with turbocharged engines on loose surfaces: keep the engine RPM up and the turbo "spooled" so you have boost to pull away from the corner. Another is, it's useful on a loose surface so you can trail/threshold brake. Essentially, on gravel, mud etc. you need to take a longer braking distance and it's possible that you need to stay on the brakes all the way to the apex of the corner, riding the threshold where they would lock the wheels to maximise braking performance. At the same time, you wanna stay on the gas to keep your revs up and be ready to accelerate once you're past the apex. Finally, decelerating transfers the vehicle's weight "forwards"; that is the deceleration force cause more of the car's weight to push down on the front wheels than the rear wheels. This reduces traction on the rear wheel and, in conjunction with centrifugal forces pushing the car's rear end out, causes the car to rotate into the corner faster. Generally, this is not something you'd do on a public road and, in a US context, you're probably not being taught how to "drive stick" anyways. For rallying though it's a key technique to master in order to get fast, especially with 4WD turbo monsters on a loose surface where you can exploit vehicle dynamics to the max.

[@Tiax776]

Well, because Americans drive automatics. That's your answer about the braking.

[@r3uvsgaming]

Not really, even in manual driving, in driving schools all over the world, they are always taught to brake with the right foot. Left foot braking is ultimately a racing techinque, not a technique used in daily driving

[@dnocturn84]

Driving civilian cars with manual gearbox is still different from driving racing cars like this. Typically, you use your right foot for break and gas pedal and your left foot for the clutch pedal only. These monsters were driven using your left foot for the break pedal and your right foot for the gas pedal. Very different style of driving anyways.

[@roryslaine7896]

@@r3uvsgaming I disagree. I'm from Ireland and we use the left foot to brake. Right foot to accelerate and right foot to operate the clutch. Even people who are left-footed are taught the same way.

[@3M46DN1M]

@@roryslaine7896 What.. so if you use same foot for clutch&gas, how do you eg. "crawl" the car? I mean drive it really slow or take off on uphill from stationary?

[@zzirSnipzz1]

well you can cross leg if you need to but no real reason to do it other than if you bored

[@ManxAndy]

If you never stood in the dark listening to an Audi S1 Quattro popping and banging it’s way through a night stage, throwing flames from its exhaust……you cannot imagine the feeling……so glad I got to see it , 👍🇮🇲

[@FINALLYQQQQAVAILABLE]

Left foot braking with these cars wasn't about braking *only* with left foot, but occasionally applying brakes with left foot while keeping the throttle down with right foot. There's no use for that kind of technique in daily driving.

[@toniberger6005]

just drive a cup race with FF. still a normal today. and left food braking means braking while on throttle. if you just brake with your left foot, its called braking....

[@FINALLYQQQQAVAILABLE]

@@toniberger6005 What I mean is these cars had three pedals and the drivers had to use their right foot for braking too. With a semi-automatic or automatic gearbox you don't have to use right foot for braking at all. I guess that's what McJibbin was thinking of. I imagine they use only automatics for license training in the US. So, they could teach people to use only their left foot for braking. There are reasons why that's not done.

[@toniberger6005]

​ Yeah, I mean automatic is nice, when you get older. But in the rest of the world, the number 1 is still Manual. -left food braking is only used for 2 reasons. 1. and mostly used for better cornering via weight transfer 2. for keeping the turbo spinning otherwise there are only downsides, and outside of racing there is nearly no need for it. (but it doesn't hurt you if you can do it. It could save you and your cars live in a dangerous situation) I am not sure about US law on driving. But in Germany, you are not allowed to drive a Manual car if you got the Automatic car license (you can do your driver license on Automatic cars only. But then it's specific´ly marked on your Driver ID.)

[@Awaken2067833758]

@@toniberger6005 agree with the cornering part, but you need the left foot in the clutch to keep the turbo spining while braking and throtling with the right.

[@Awaken2067833758]

there is a good video of Walter Rörhl in the quatro wqREtbLe4sY

[@woolyimage]

I remember watching a quattro still racing with only 3 wheels ! Secondly, rally spectators are lunatics have seen so many near misses!

[@paulcaswell2813]

Hannu Mikkola RAC, with Arne perched on the back to take as much weight as possible off the front nearside brake-disc (there was no wheel!)

[@lumpyfishgravy]

Before the Quattro's turbo innovation, drivers would "left foot brake" and keep the engine under power while braking, so coming out of corners the turbo was already boosted and ready.

[@clivewilliams3661]

It was first generated by the likes of Stig Blumkvist who used it on front wheel drive cars to maintain speed whilst locking the rear wheels to aid manoeuvrability. The practice was then translated into the Quattro by Mikkola, Stig's compatriot. Mikkola taught Michelle Mouton how to left foot brake when she joined the Audi team.

[@nirfz]

@@clivewilliams3661 Let me add to that, that Walter Röhl said Blomquist and Mikkola taught him left foot braking when he joined Audi. Even someone like him had to learn. (But he did learn fast, winning the Monte in his first attempt with the Quattro)

[@paulcaswell2813]

It was the Quattro the first made left-foot-braking (lfb) essential. The original Quattro had very basic transmissions (virtually no centre differential): therefore, lfb was essential to get the beast round corners. This was not helped by the nose-heavy overall design of the Quattro (right from the original road-going car through to the S1)...

[@paulcaswell2813]

@@nirfz And giving Audi their final Group B victory in the San Remo in '86...

[@nirfz]

@@paulcaswell2813 I think Stig Blomquist (of the Audi crew) had been rallying with 2 stroke Saabs earlier in his career. Those cars had a 2 stroke engine with lubriaction by oil being premixed with the fuel, and they had freewheel. (I hope that's the correct word for it in english. Like a bycicles pedals, or like a ratched: only connected in one direction.) That means there was no engine braking. If you weren't applying throttle, there was almost no fuel getting into the cylinders and thus almost no lubrication. So on longer downhill parts, the drivers had to "always" apply some throttle to lubricate the engine, and have their left foot on the brake to slow it down at the same time. -> It could be argued that left foot braking already was essential with those Saabs. (Just for a different reason)

[@Happymali10]

That Turbocharger-Supercharger system Lancia came up with is still in use today, for example, a lot of Volvos use it.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

Fun fact before the Quattro, 4 wheel drive was for farm vehicles and trucks. After the Quattro, EVERYBODY wanted a "Point And Shoot" car.

[@Jabber-ig3iw]

Jenson had an AWD road car 15 years before Audi did.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

@@Jabber-ig3iw Ah yes I remember Jenson. Not a bad Top Trump card back in the 1970s.

[@jinxvrs]

@@Jabber-ig3iw JensEn please.

[@paulcaswell2813]

@@jinxvrs Indeed - Interceptor was the 2WD car, with the FF (Ferguson Formula) being the 4WD variant.

[@luiwammes4193]

6:30 You forget one little thing. All these old rallycars are all manual shifters. Automatic is the American way. In order to go as fast as possible the driver at all time needs to be able to decide in which gear he's in, so a stick shifter, manual shifter is the only option. When they say left foor breaking .... the actually say : - keep your right foot planted on the accelerator pedal - use your left foot to brake and off course also to operatte the clutch. The left foot is most off the time operating the clutch and is also needed to operate the brake pedal. Rallying is the most difficult form of motorsport. Sometimes the accelerator is used to brake, slow down the car. Or to swign it around goiing sideways into a turn. Your brain is switching tactics about every second.

[@hugovilag]

Got to see many units of Group B rally cars a few years back in Vigo. The Quattro S1 E2 and the Delta S4 look like they are out to eat you alive even standing still. Those cars are truly iron beasts, and I love them.

[@RustyDust101]

I am old enough to remember these monsters on TV and even live once, albeit unintentionally. It is something I will never forget. The infernal noise these monsters generate, and that strange turbo-whistle-srtttchch-nyyyaaaa of the Audi Quattro with its row-5-cylinder engine and huge turbos. Absolutely incredible. In the first race that Audi launched the Quattro it ate up a many second lead in the first stage, and kept advancing on the previous cars at an astonishing pace in each of the further stages. In 1983 an all-wheel-drive turbo charged vehicle won the rally group B for the first time. After that no rear-wheel drive vehicle ever won the rally group B again. The advantages of cornering speed and full-throttle turbos right at the apex of a curve transfered to continuous improvements in performance over rear-wheel-drive. BTW: check out your video at 5:49 and the following two seconds. In the background you can see a spectator jump up at the last second, barely jumping over the twitching rear end of the car as it twitches through the curve.

[@-MarcelDavis-]

06:32 The reason you are taught not to use the left foot for breaking (at least according to my driving instructor back then) is because you opperate the clutch with it and the clutch usually has to be pressed quickly and all the way unlike the gas and break pedal. So basically it's to stop people (especially student drivers) from slamming the break accidentily out of habbit.

[@how2pick4name]

That's me first time in an automatic. Run up to a crossing, put the clutch to the floor and it was a good thing I wore a seatbelt. :D

[@billallen4793]

@@how2pick4name I had an old Harley that I rebuilt in the memory of one of my mom's friend. It was/is a 1951 H.D. Pan-head EL with the 61ci engine. The left hand controlled front brake, and timing adjustments by the left twist grip. The clutch was on the left foot, rear brake on the right foot, throttle on the right grip. I never dumped it by forgetting the differences, but heard many stories about screw-up's..lol..from Wyoming USA 🇺🇸 🤠

[@RandR_Motorsport]

I heard a story before that one of the Audi cars during an event arrived in service and when the service crew were checking over the car they found someone's finger stuck in the rear wing

[@blindarchershaunhenderson3769]

In the US Connor you only have two pedles on the throttle one for the brakes in Europe there are three one throttle, or accelerator, one for the brake one for the clutch, European countries teach their drivers to drive a manual, stick shift as you call it, gearboxes, where as the US it's all automatic

[@olivierdk2]

I was a kid when i saw the 205 rally and wanted one. My second car was a 1993 GTI 1.9 l, 130 HP ( in less than 900Kg that's real sport numbers ) . ABS : forget it, traction control : nope.But... Power steering, air conditioning, sunroof, metallic paint, full leather interior, optional but accounted for. As for the electric windows, the centralization and the leather and fabric upholstery, it is standard. Driving it in a rainy day was quite a sport in itself. "competition" from Renault didn't have a lot ( if any ) of them. But i think there are only 2 garages in the US who know how to properly repair them because they are connaisseurs and enthusiasts. Would drive one again any day if parts weren't so scarces.

[@magnuslundstedt2659]

The reason you learn to not break with the left foot for standard driving is that it is 3 pedals. Left foot on the clutch and right foot on break and accelerator. You often use clutch and break at the same time. Not often gas and brake at the same time. And with older non synchronised gearbox you need to use both clutch and gas when you switch gears. When driving an auto you dont have any clutch, but still use the right foot for acc and brake, since you should usually never use them at the same time.

[@whovianhistorybuff]

The idea of the right foot being used for the throttle and the brake was a system that predated the automatic gearbox, where in order to stop you need to apply the brakes (right foot) and cut the power from the engine to the wheels via the clutch (left foot) plus in normal everyday use putting the gas on and braking at the same time will do a lot of damage to the engine and transmission.

[@lahaire4389]

06:27 The logic behind it is the following. If you want to get speed you accelerate with the right foot to not brake at the same time & same the other way , you can get confused or on a high stress situation you are less likely To fk up with your pedal if you only use one feet to brake/accelerate (&+ the other feet to only use the clutch when needed) It give you more controle over your vehicle ,make you more focus and less likely to press both pedals at the same time in case of emergency. (fun fact everywhere in the world where there is more manual car its also easier to use right foot to brake & accelerate and only focus your left foot to use the clutch, yes it's common sense but since you ask here you go :)

[@soldeed77]

It might have been mentioned earlier, but the new documentary about Michelle Mouton who broke the male dominated rally driver mold is worth watching, and it had footage of mechanics picking severed fingers from the car - they were too close!!

[@novanoir8309]

The spectator finger?

[@soldeed77]

@@novanoir8309 Yes, several on the intercooler

[@Mind-your-own-beeswax]

Saw these first hand on the Lombard RAC rally and these were deafening. You really had to be there to know what it was really like.

[@pissedupreactions3077]

Left foot braking keeps the revs up and in turbo cars, keeps the turbo spooled and in NA cars keeps the engine in its optimum power band. Basically means you are at optimum engine power output when exiting corners.

[@billyyank5807]

Michelle Mouton drove an audi s1. Not many men could do it. And she did it!

[@ivarbergheim3485]

in driving school you arre tought that because in america you guys mostly drive automatic transmitions, breaking while staying on the throttle in a automatic car could lead to premature wear on the clutchplates within the transmition. if you tell students to just use the right foot then you eliminate the problem of someone "riding" the brake pedal while cruising normaly

[@ivarbergheim3485]

allso saves on the brakes that way haaha

[@ivarbergheim3485]

and driving around daily there is no need to brake at 130mph to turn in the nose and still have 7k rpm ready to put down to ride out the corner while going to the local strip mall

[@asg1183]

One foot for the accelerator & brake is preferable for daily drives as it leaves no chance of error under pressure and panic to confuse between the two.

[@appleciderhorror12]

Lancia is not just a car it's an era! But yeah, we're all better of with cars having some safety for the drivers and all that jazz

[@Ozzpot]

As someone who has seen these monsters up close, I can say that one thing you don’t get a good sense of from these videos, even with headphones cranked up to the max, is the infernally loud noise they make. Now, I should say, I should qualify what I am about to say by admitting I am (just a little) too young to have seen them racing in anger, in their heyday, but was lucky enough to be at an exhibition rally stage of group B cars, maybe 15 years ago. Health and safety having gone mad and all, we were not permitted to be separated from the stampeding, murderous machines by a piece of safety string, much less stand in the gravel and play chicken with them. In fact, we were probably 50 feet or so away as these now coddled museum pieces hurtled past every minute or so. It makes the real thing an even more startling prospect then, when I say that the noise, the merciless, roaring thunder, even under these restrained conditions was close to unbearable. My friend and I had positioned ourselves halfway down a straight, from which I saw, if memory serves, a 6R4, a Quattro S1, an RS200, a 205 T16 and a few others, each easily distinguishable by their sound as they approached. Harsh, angry tones that scared the birds from the trees… But nothing compared to the ear-splitting, ground-shaking noise as they passed by at speed. I recall as if it were yesterday being perplexed that it seemed to be only me suffering from this, my head shrinking into my shoulders, my ears screaming with pain, an earthquake in my body, threatening to tear my organs asunder. Perhaps you roll your eyes at my hyperbole, but I insist it was as if a fighter jet had passed though my living room at full power. Imagine the frenzy of fierce explosions in those engine blocks. Imagine the furious pistons at work, the hot gases blasted from the system with extreme prejudice. Imagine the brutal, visceral roar, the unpredictable pops and bangs, the frequent lick of flame. Imagine that, full volume. Times it by ten. That’s how it felt. Yet no ear defenders were offered to anyone but the smallest children, and no adult reacted with anything more than a pleasant smile of nostalgia as each passed. It’s still a mystery to me. I guess a lifetime of full volume thrash metal had not prepared me for such a thing. The enthusiasts there that day clearly had conditioned themselves to it. Before and after, we did get limited access to the paddocks where these legendary machines were being prepared and fettled for the action, and I can say the high-octane smell is everything you would imagine and would likely transport me right to that moment even now. It was an honour and a thrill to see them in their element, but I would advise anyone who gets the chance, to be at a good distance and/or be prepared to save your eardrums from the pain. Loving the motorsports content, keep it coming!

[@sugoruyo]

Once drove a race prepped Gallardo behind an OG Quattro S1 and could hear that thing over my own engine. Also, it was idling at the car park, warming up, and it still could be heard over the filming helicopter starting up. On another occasion, I could hear it echoing through the mountains getting ready to launch at the start of the stage a couple kilometres away. When that thing hits boost it's as if the gates of hell are opening.

[@paulcaswell2813]

@@sugoruyo If you thought a Quattro was loud, try a Group 4 Stratos ;-)

[@rebbojar2475]

That's why the rally was created, to promote car brands, that's why they had to keep the bodywork, with the option inside the cars for racing mechanics, and the one who won the whole series in the championship that year (for example, let's call it AUDI QUATTRO Group B, that's what it was actually called: the best car of the year is for all roads, is the Audi Quattro). That's why the Rally is driven on closed public roads for everyone to see :)

[@TrashskillsRS]

Using the left foot on the brake and right foot for the throttle will make you likely to brake and throttle at the same time. It will both overstress the engine and the brakes, and could blow the engine and destroy the brakes due to the increases resistance. Also driving manually you would use left foot on the clutch. It requires a lot of training to not accidently brake and throttle when using both feet, as the default is pushing down with both feet.

[@TheBersky]

In Europe we're taught to use the left foot for clutch and right foot for brake or gas. You should never be pressing both the brake and gas so that's probably why you use only 1 foot for automatics (since no clutch)

[@billyyank5807]

Audi also used a version of whats called Anti Lag today on the Quattro. They were very innovative there at audi.

[@svenschwingel8632]

Henri Toivonen said it best in the interview before his fatal crash. "There is no brain that can work so hard (to control these cars)." RIP

[@paulcaswell2813]

RIP Henri. Basically he had HAD to do Corsica, as Fiorio told him that his Lancia contract was void if he didn't. He had flu-like symptoms on the run-up to the event and simply should not have driven it.

[@svenschwingel8632]

@@paulcaswell2813 I recall Fiorio being mad as hell when his Lancia guys joined all the other drivers in their retirement after that fatal accident with the RS200 in Portugal (?). And let's face it: Toivonen was in a league of his own in the 86 season, at least with Vatanen out of the competition. All the other drivers confirmed it, Vatanen included. Even a lunatic like Fiorio would have never fired the man who would have handed him the championship.

[@paulcaswell2813]

@@svenschwingel8632 You're right about Portugal. Joaquin Santos (a local driver) was given a drive in the RS200 as good local publicity. Unfortunately he wasn't up to the car, and we all know the tragic results...

[@svenschwingel8632]

@@paulcaswell2813 if I recall correctly, some idiot spectators also watered or muddied the track in the preceding corner. I've been told that was a pretty common practice back then 🙄

[@paulcaswell2813]

@@svenschwingel8632 Can't believe we're having this exchange on THIS page, rather than a specialist ralllying one!

[@TheOystei]

for a manual car you use the left foot for the clutch and the right for the gas and brakes, and while the ease of just cutting out the clutch pedal and the rest is the same is one reason, another one is that it keeps one foot near the brakes at all time, while not resting it on it (seen people do that, brakes are not happy) and in normal driving there really is no reason to left foot brake.

[@anthonyhamilton8007]

Great reaction m8! Best car I ever owned A4 2.8 v6 Quattro

[@GutkowskiMarek]

@6:35 because you drive automatic. You are simply unable to drive a manual(stick shift) car with only one leg. There are 3 pedals. Some race cars actually have 4 pedals. So you can brake on either side. It is done(or was) in Scandinavian Ice Racing.

[@jamesfisher1827]

Just to update the video as the person speaking doesn’t cover power figures much after the beginning. By the end of Group B the cars were producing 600bhp + and were real monsters to drive. One of the best drivers was Walter Rohl and in some videos you can see how hard his feet are working to control the car and keep the turbo spooling up to get the power. One video I would really recommend is a historic rally where Rohl aged in his 60’s drives the awesome Audi Quattro S1 E2 again and is still mighty fast.

[@rein2pella941]

About the one or two foot using. It's mainly for safety reasons we are thout to drive with one foot but its mainly faster to drive with 2 feet but in many racing cars today, clutch sometimes isn't even needed or not even built on the car. In for example Formula-1 cars the clutch is a built behind the wheel to reduce everything between weight to time gain.

[@billyyank5807]

Left foot braking isn't recommended for regular drivers because people panic and can hit the gas instead of the brake. In theory, it's not safe. It takes practice and getting used to. And it does serve a purpose in racing and really only in racing. Less traveling of your feet for one and your gas foot can stay on or above the gas for faster response. Using your right foot to brake then get back on the gas takes time. And in rally,seconds count.

[@pedrocor46]

You must use right foot only because, in a manual transmission car, you need the left foot to clutch. If you try to use left foot both to clutch and brake, without much practice, you will slam the brakes like you do on the clutch instead of feather the pedal and you would constantly brake full force when you are trying just reduce smoothly your speed.

[@Tumex83]

6:13 most of the drivers use both feet, left on the clutch, right to brake and gas.

[@how2pick4name]

They aren't using one foot, they are using the same one for braking and throttle at the same time. The other foot is on the clutch. You learn to use one foot because you mostly drive automatic, we all drive stick here. Sort of like what you use in old race cars and trucks to shift, over here we call it "tussengas", literally inbetweengas. You rev up the engine to get it to run in sync with the gearbox so you can shift without losing a sprocket. :D Tricks... =)

[@billyyank5807]

Probably some of the greatest racing cars ever. In my opinion. Nascar, F1,indy cars...cool you can drive on dry tarmac in circles lol. Rally,let's do 120mph (200+kmh) down that gravel road for 50 miles and let's see how fast we can take turns sideways. 😉 hahaha

[@kronop8884]

You should check out som Dakar Rally videos as well, similar but diffrent as its a Rally Raid type of event across the desert.

[@tazzz1783]

If you like Group B there is a short documentary called ''The Unfair advantage'' its a movie about how Audi makes the quattro and from Group B they came to race in the USA...with 5 cylinder car against your v8 beasts...watch to see its a very good story of the famous quattro by Audi

[@shona5512]

Did Connor just forget that he watched this same video 2 months ago? Lol

[@Happymali10]

Walter Röhrl, a former Group B driver (and considered one of the best drivers ever) has said that, had Group B not ended when it did they wouldn't have had any drivers next year as everyone would have refused. The cars were too fast, too unsafe, and crowd control was nonexistent. Nowadays any legit rally has ban-zones and spectator/media areas.

[@MrDlt7]

left foot braking is quite a high level technique, you use it to keep your turbo spooled up and control your acceleration and braking at the same time. normal drivers don't need that, i mean some drivers can't handle normal driving very well, so dumping some high level techniques on them, when they dont even need them is counterproductive, i think that is why they dont teach that in driving school

[@keku9658]

WRC rally Sweden starts this Friday (24feb 09:30 UTC+1). You can watch all stages live from wrc+ all live or BT sport extra 2 (maybe somewhere else also ).

[@Vidar.m]

People standing in the track was the problem not the speed of the cars

[@nogame94]

Another thing about left foot braking is most of us use the right to write because we can control better our writing same goes for who uses its left to write. Basically what im trying to say is usually you have a better feel on your right foot and you can modulate braking better with your prominant side. If you arent used to using your left foot on braking before you gain sensibility to modulate braking as you should you will be stabbing the brakes making the car behave in a very unpredictable way. Left foot braking is something that takes time to learn and use without killing your self let alone master it. Usually its used to move the weight of the car back to front giving more grip in the front axle thanks to weight transfer, basically a nice way to tighten your line. Kinda like the trailbaking idea. Look at GT races and you will see cars breaking into the corner and keeping some brake on until they are turned into the corner its all about weight transfer from back to front and vice versa. A must have technic in many racing categories. But in road cars its much harder, you know unprecise brake pedal, and a lot less feedback to the driver.

[@regfenster]

And just to think there was another class on the horizon greater than Grp B, it was grp S with a few manufacturers having prototype cars ready, one worth a look is Lancia with it's ECV project, it looked like the Lancia S4, but was rated at over 800BHP with it's outstanding Tri-Flux engine which was super charged with twin turbo. Beppe Volta rebuilt it, but due to only one spare head casting it's never really let off the leash, although Chris Harris had some footage of it at a tyre event in Italy a number of years ago giving it some beans.

[@conziefishinggods2458]

They often had to get fingers out of the car that people lost when trying to touch the cars when they went past

[@Arvipa.]

3:00 let’s just settle to safety regulations were different back then

[@lumpyfishgravy]

It was the 80s. People were happy to have survived the 70s.

[@tihomirrasperic]

right foot on accelerator and left foot on brake it is a trademark of the Rally consequences? extreme acceleration and braking and destroyed the gearbox after the race (because they changed gears without a clutch) As far as spectators at the Rally are concerned, for me it’s the same as the bull run in Pampalona

[@EclecticInstinct]

Brilliant. I have just reached your reaction to the sheep wandering into the middle of the road and an oncoming car having to avoid them. The noise you made had me laughing outloud!

[@clivewilliams3661]

Group B was the Formula 1 of the rally scene being very high tech. In Europe in particular ,rallying is as big a sport as circuit racing so having an ultimate formula was a sound principle as was being a car based on a volume manufacturer's vehicle. There were two issues with Grp B, the first was crowd control that was woeful in some countries but there were good, safe examples as practiced in northern Europe, this situation was present before Grp B that the authorities failed to address. The other issue was that the cars were basically unsafe with the performance being the primary concern. Toivenen's accident in the Lancia was notable as the fuel tank was placed under the driver's seat and the rollcage was made of aluminium that burns in intense heat. Group B could have been made safer whilst retaining the general principles as is the case today with WRC but the politics of the time instilled a terminal knee jerk reaction. The FIA and manufacturers were to blame for creating an unsafe sport, the issues should have been recognised from the outset and addressed.

[@Rassskle]

Race car drivers use heal and toe, left foot breaking, change gears without the clutch...... anything to go quicker and win. The more skilful at this wins unless they break the car. So sometimes the best driver is not the quickest, but quick and gentle on the car. What we learn to do is not racing or even driving. We learn to aim a car and hope we don’t hit anything . lol

[@Ayns.L14A]

because most of the cars in the US are automatic, the rally cars have manual gearboxes

[@doctorsatansrobot]

I guess its a bad idea to teach automatic drivers to use both feet, as it would encourage you to use both pedals at once. When you have 3 pedals the right does go and stop, and the left does clutch. Left foot braking is needed where you need 2 pedals down, such as keeping a turbo spooled or to induce some oversteer in a fwd car, neither of which you'd normally do on a public road. If left foot braking confuses you you're going to love 'heel and toe', when you brake, put the clutch down and blip the throttle all at once so you can downshift and rev match the engine to the gearbox.

[@sergiofernandes6798]

1:32 Fafe, Portugal, 5 minutes from my house, i know a guy who lose his leg in the 80´s when one these cars run out of the road...

[@RudiTheMan]

You don't want to use left foot for brake right foot for gas for normal driving, It's gonna be dangerous if someone jumped onto your lane and you kick both pedals, the car isn't gonna stop since both brakes and engine fight each other and usually engine win,

[@mhh7544]

RIP Henkka 🇫🇮

[@RaceSimCentral]

I saw a little confusion when looking at the graph. Basically he's saying that they got rid of the drop in power by adding a second method to make it climb again. Ignore the first drop once he adds the second.

[@anthonyholroyd5359]

Left foot braking and 'heel-toe' Are a not usually very useful when driving in a civilian setting In racing however? Hitting the gas - I.e. accelerating whilst still on the brakes? Keeps the revs up and keeps the engine hot. This gives you better performance and a quicker exit through coners. Not particularly useful on the run to town, but very useful in a racing regime.

[@zzirSnipzz1]

People back then thought it was an honour to get hit by the car one guy broke his leg and thought it was great lol

[@kevinthompson8608]

people where killed in 1986 when a group b car lost control. This is why they banned group b, baring in mind the group b cars where lapping estoril f1 circuit, at time that would have put them on the 2nd row of a f1 starting grid

[@RageDavis]

I my oppinopn, it is way easier to break with the right foot, since both, throttle and brakes require a certain feel when pressing the pedal, whereas using the clutch (if any) is a question of a sensible releasing the pedal rather than pressing. I remember driving with a friend of mine, when something happend to the carburator middrive and he had to keep his foot on the throttle to keep the engine running, which in turn required him to brake with the left foot. Let me put it this way: after a few miles, I had marks from the safety belt, caused by harsh breaking...

[@billyyank5807]

Spectators got hurt. Drivers got killed. There were a few major accidents involving crowds. I know of one before toivonen was killed where a car came over a crest and people were literally blocking the road,he turned but it was no use....they hit over 30 people. 31 were injured and 4 dead. That was just Spectators.

[@allancnc]

I would say maybe 10 people where killed by rally accidents and additionally 5 drivers in the 80ties and 90ties all together, all because of rallycars going off, crazy spectators all survived as far as i know. The driver uses both feet for both braking and speeding up the revs to keep momentum up, you don't use that in ordinary traffic, its only in racing. If you have a turbo it will loose a lot of power under 3.000 revs, so to prevent turbolag the speeder is kept to the bottom, so you are in the powerband where the max torque is :)

[@grizzlygamer8891]

Whilst left foot braking, you keep the throttle to the floor so it's a bit aggressive for every day driving.

[@KillBones]

Audi was also the only team to have a woman as a pilot, Michelle Mouton, she won many races!

[@guiguijol]

You're taught to drive with one foot because Automatic shifting is very common in your country since long. In France as instance, still today young people are taught to drive manual gearbox cars, meaning left foot for the clutch pedal. It's supposed to be only for this pedal and you use the right for others. (obviously not braking and accelerating at the same time in opposite of a rally driver)

[@KarILsson]

Not only fatalitys also the lack of crowd control at some of the events specialy Rally Portugal 1:48 10:58 also contributed to the Ban of grp B, lack of crowd control was also the reason Rally Poland was canceld (if im not misstaken)from the WRC calendar after 2017.

[@oldmanmyass3699]

Only in USA they learn 1 foot drive as there are only 2 pedals as you most of the time you drive with automatic gearbox. In EU we learn 2 foot drive as we have 3 pedal, gas, brake and clutch, we learn to drive manuel gearbox with a stick.

[@angrychihuahua7923]

Some people love adreniline. If you lived in Europe, you could spend a bunch of money for equipment and lots of time learning to be good at extreme sports (most of them didn't existing back then) or go watch a rally race and see how close you can get to the cars.

[@BerishStarr]

Rally is so fun, Rally Sweden this weekend! 🤙

[@chancemcclendon3906]

single-foot driving is safer. having the accelerator still pressed when you break will cause the non-driven wheels to lock up or at least lose traction (in FWD you will understeer, RWD oversteer) losing control. It also stops you from having to think a lot. you just slam down on the break instead of both because in an emergency people are stupid

[@Cobalt-Jester]

I'm sure this has been said on your other videos. But there has been a tiny amount of spectator injuries. And, almost no fatalities. So there has been little legislation in the way spectators behave. If in 30 years the number of injuries and deaths of the spectators is, as close as you'll get, non existent then why impose a safety rule when, according to stats, is not unsafe at all. lol.

[@KarILsson]

11:30 Joaquim Santos accident happend becouse a spectator steps onto the Tarmac so he had to make a correction to avoid him and when he made the correction and tried to come back to normal "race" line he lost the rear of the car.

[@TintinBxB]

You should react to the group B short film, it's about 20 minutes, but it's amazing.

[@zwieseler]

You’re taught to drive with one foot in driving school because you won’t be driving a rally car to go down to the shops for your groceries.

[@daveofyorkshire301]

This is why racers should NOT have limits.. remove and control the spectators. But races should be innovation engines where competing entrants go all out to improve on the competition. That's the point of racing, not limiting and restricting, but pushing boundaries and developing new technologies...

[@Alniemi]

I think many spectators got hurt in the 80's not so much today, but some still. best to stand near a tree

[@tuomotarkkanen9477]

These cars have manual transmission so the car has 3 pedals clutch, brake and gas unlike a car that has automatic transmission with only 2 pedals brake and gas and on a manual car you use right feet on gas and brake and left foot on clutch

[@MrSomethingdark]

You're taught to use one foot because that is safer. Any time you want to stop there is no need or possibility of going on the throttle. You brake when you have to and power on when you need to. They mix it up in racing but they also replace half the car after the race.

[@meinzwolftkanal9872]

Driving School 1 foot for gas and break so you have 1 foot left for the clutch if you don´t drive Automatic gear.

[@johnt8636]

Don't know if you drive or not, but if you do, next time you go for a drive, try left foot braking.

[@jonosmith4919]

The narrator sounds like he's 12 lol ,I remember Group B LOMBARD RAC RALLY (UK) CHASTWORTH HOUSE DERBYSHIRE about 7 miles away from me HAPPY DAYS.

[@nightstorm5914]

Could you react to "Motorsport History - DTM Legends of the Golden Era (80s and 90s)" (Part1) to see why this cars were legendary and made the serie so popular