American Reacts HOSTILE Fans: Euroleague vs NBA

[@DimShamrock]

Balkan guy here. Greek. Panathinaikos fan. I have a couple of notes for you to help you understand the differences. Both on the court and off. I hope it helps. On the Court differences 1. In the NBA there is the 3-second violation rule. In the Euroleague it doesn't exist. Which means guards can't just beat their man, and drive straight into the basket, cause they will face a Big Man. They have to be creative and get their teammates involved instantly. So there is no way for a Westbrook, let's say to become a stat padder. 2. In the NBA you pretty much play 1v1 most of the time. Something that annoys a lot of people. Because after a guard beats his opponent, the drive is wide open, as if the defenders were rolling the red carpet for him. In Euroleague that's something you NEVER see, because we use the Zone defense a lot more. 3. Euroleague tends to be more energetic for a few reasons. Explained below. 3a. Courts are about 2 feet shorter in length, and the 3-point line is 1.5 feet shorter at the top of the arc. 3b. In Euroleague you have 34 games, 17 home, 17 away, against the rest of the 18 teams. Not the 82-game mess. 3c. Euroleague games last for 40 minutes, unlike NBA ones that last for 48. 4 quarters of 10, instead of 12. Also 5 fouls instead of 6. 4. Because it is 34, and not 82, like the Euroleague slogan says. Every. Game. Matters. Something that you can't say about the NBA, as most matches are not even nationally televised most of the time. 5. Needless to say, there is no draft here, so no load management. Finishing last is a failure. Plain and simple. 6. Coaches are the end-all-be-all here. There is no superstar that talks down to his coach. We just don't allow that mentality here. You are part of the team. 7. We don't get players from drafts or universities. We have local youth teams, attached to the senior ones. For example Panathinaikos U19. Off the Court differences 1. The first thing you have to keep in mind is, like @enemde3025 said. Not every country in Europe is the same. Which means not every country in Europe PAYS the same. Western Europe (Spain, Italy, France, Germany) tends to have way higher monthly net wages than Eastern Europe (Greece, Serbia, Turkey, Lithuania, and even Russia and Israel to a lesser extent), and people often take out their passion in their sports teams. And you don't even need me to tell you that Americans are way better paid than most Europeans. 2. Let's get one thing clear. Western fans, are very different to Eastern fans, and much more similar to the NBA. Especially in the Defense chant and passion level. Here, it's non-existent. Also it looks funny. Also France and Germany are fully Americanized, unlike Spain and Italy which are countries who have fanatic fans, called ultras, but it's nothing compared to the Eastern European scene. Here you are expected to jump up and down. It gives you a feeling of "I have to do anything I can (within the limits of morality) to help my team win". It is a source of local pride. 3. You see it as a way to have fun. We see it as an important all-or-nothing game. You get bragging rights for a long while if you beat your opponent. You don't bring chips or popcorn to the games. You eat from a hot-dog stand after the match. There's a time and a place for everything. I will give you an example. Kevin Durant went to watch a Euroleague Playoff match between Olympiacos and Monaco (that game you saw with the flares), in order to support his friend and Brooklyn teammate Mike James. In the same game, Giorgos Lanthimos, a famous multiple-Oscar-Nominated director, had brought Emma Stone with him to watch the game for Olympiacos. Want to guess how many people cared? Nobody. On the contrary. They actually booed Durant. 4. You see Clubs as Franchises. Easily replaceable, especially if they are new. I remember a scenario of the Bucks leaving Milwaukee and relocating to Seattle. There are the Sonics, Hornets and Grizzlies examples. I can't imagine that happening here. Real Madrid, should be representing...well. Madrid. Barcelona, too. Panathinaikos will always represent Athina. Athens. 5. There are matches that I am watching, even now on TV, as I am slightly getting a bit older, and I can't sleep if my team loses a serious Regular Season game. When's the last time you felt like this watching a Regular Season match? Also we don't call our Champion a World Champion. But a Euroleague Champion. Just like the NBA champion should be called the North American champion. We are waiting for that Celtics game you owe us. Hope I helped. Take care. ☘

[@joshuacauser]

@@DimShamrock Nobody is reading all of that.

[@almostyummymummy]

​@@joshuacauser I did.

[@Galantus1964]

@@joshuacauser so did i

[@bladablitz]

Excellent explanation... even if you are a Panathinaikos fan. Greetings from Belgrade. The RED Belgrade.

[@robertstack6844]

@@joshuacauser as did i, great explanation.

[@filipe3132]

In Europe we don't idolize the player as much, we idolize the club because we are a part of it by attending the games and supporting the club. Players come and go, while the club will forever be there.

[@DimShamrock]

We don't own the club...we (unfortunately) don't play for the club, for one reason or another.... But we feel like we can promote it, or pressure it to succeed.

[@nicoladc89]

@@DimShamrock some clubs are owned by the fans (Barcelona, Real Madrid, for example, but also Galatasaray I think)

[@DimShamrock]

@@nicoladc89 Not exactly owned. The presidents of the Spanish clubs are elected by the fans. Germany in football has clubs directly owned by the fans.

[@Ratko_Suzic]

Greeks and Serbians are like Gods among humans in EU bb scenery... ☝️😏

[@stefano_etrusco]

I think another factor to consider, like in European soccer, is that basketball teams in the US are merely commercial franchises, while in Europe are the pride of a city, deeply connected as a source of local identity for fans.

[@WHOTHEPHUKTOOKMYNICK]

Exactly! I remember my boss saying to me "Who roots for Olimpija, they're on a losing streak" and I replied "one does not root for Olimpija because they are good, one roots for Olimpija because they're from Ljubljana"

[@kinglizard3406]

in Europe fans follow club, mostly from town or region, while in US they follow players .. and money is nuber one thing for US sports

[@nenadlazic6379]

In Serbia, we want to see passion, hard work, sweat and blood on the court, fight for every ball. Winning is important, but desire and passion are more.

[@DimShamrock]

That's why you're the land of basketball. Η Μεγάλη των Πλάβι Σχολή. The Great School of the Plavi. Still used in Greece that.

[@АлексейСоколов-з9б]

Всё как в матчах звёзд NBA :((

[@GhostStalker1712]

its not really that hard to understand, you can sum it all up to this: in the NBA, players make the teams and a star is above the club. in Europe, no one is above the club, not a player, not a coach, not even the owner and be sure that the fans will make it perfectly clear to anyone who forgets that.

[@robertlefou]

Amen

[@hipotenuza5663]

Best explanation

[@znjzblj7995]

The club is the most important, not the players. That's why players can chant with fans, because it was the same goal, nobody on the stands care about someone's individual stats.

[@Etcpp-yf2bg]

When you are a franchise you have customers. When you are a club, you have fans! That is the difference between Europe and US.

[@u3pog4o]

In Europe we treat our clubs like we treat our armies. They must win for the sake of the nation/city they represent.

[@OldToothbrush0210]

As a football fan, I recognize a lot of these clubs. They are multi-sport clubs, so it's only natural that the ultras attend the matches whatever the sports

sports in us is about money and status in europe is about passion

[@RaceSmokie]

Bro, Im from Serbia and I got chills thru my spine when I watch this but trust me, there is noting what can describe atmosphere when you're on the stadium. I am not a fan of any football or basketball team especially, but when you there ,,, that atmosphere, just move you so hard that you just,,, must clap, scream and sing. It is a great feeling, but you just have to experience it live. It is unexplainable!

[@alexanderbalsvik592]

Europeans tends to be fan of the same team regardless of the sport, for example Barcelona is a super famous football(soccer) team I assume alot of the football fans are the same as the barcelona basketball fans. In europe you dont only cheer for your club, you cheer for the pride of your city and country. European cities/countries have been at war with each outer for thousands of years.

[@joeyrobertson9523]

In Europe you NEVER change team. Even if your team gets relegated to an amateur league. In the US people change teams every 2nd season because of their favourite player. Thats the difference. Religion versus Entertainment.

[@PixTax]

In Dutch football (Soccer) they call the fans 'de twaalfde man", the twelfth player.

[@waynebrady1819]

In Switzerland too. "Der zwölfte Mann" or "Dr zwölft Ma"

[@peterweiss123]

in German football as well

[@cynic7049]

Sweden: "Den tolfte spelaren"

[@joshuacauser]

@@peterweiss123 I think all of Europe do this

[@DimShamrock]

Here too. In basketball as well.

[@Nebuloid1]

11:14 how on earth is a player allowed to push his coach away like that !? Nah instant ban or even fired from the team, what !?

[@Slgjgnz]

About the flares, it's pretty simple, you smuggle them in. No it's not legal, but once it's lit what are they gonna do, face a thousand fiery supporters?

[@DimShamrock]

If you are an ultra, you can do that. If you are just a regular devoted fan, not so much.

[@Kyarago]

The American system also expects you to be a fan of a team from your region, even if there are 100s of miles to the arena. Whereas in Europe, most places have a local team that plays in some level of competition (remember the relegation / promotion system), so the connection is much stronger. Heck, there are things like North London derby in football, 2 high profile teams from the same area of the city.

[@darkwolf1202]

players in the NBA :win or lose who cares players in Europe: win at all cost

[@enemde3025]

Don't include the UK in this. I couldn't even tell you where the nearest basket ball team to me is, never mind the names of any national team players !

[@slickwilly7341]

The UK has a national basketball team?!?! Damn talking about learning something new every day...

[@joshuacauser]

@@slickwilly7341I knew they play in the Olympics, not sure what else they do tho 😂 KD, Lebron, Steph etc wiped the floor with them

[@DimShamrock]

@@joshuacauser Wait for the next ones kid. Then we'll see what happens when they'll all have retired. Also you didn't even make the World Cup final.

[@DimShamrock]

@@slickwilly7341 Nothing special.

[@joshuacauser]

@@DimShamrock I’m English you muppet.

[@ingobordewick6480]

The big difference is, that these clubs are there for more than 100 years mostly and they are a huge part of the identity of the city, not just some entertainment event.

[@cynic7049]

And never moves (well sometimes inside the town/city they where created).

[@ingobordewick6480]

@@cynic7049 YES!

[@markmuller7962]

Nah, it's just old typical European tribalism that infects everything in society

[@markoradulovic3307]

US basketball is about making money Europe is about true passion for the game

[@arndbaggen3011]

Greetings from Germany. We are the Basketball World Champion . Not the USA . Imagine the USA league without the European players .

[@beno844]

Andy Obst müsste schon lange in der nba sein

[@TheRedsfan8]

Here in Serbia we live for our team, support in the best and worst moments is 💯 No player is above the club because players come and go, but the club is here forever.. It is a passion and cannot be compared to the NBA league.Support is passed from generation to generation and we are born as Delije (Red Star) or Grobari (Partizan)😆Excellent video and a big greeting and support 👍👏

[@cynic7049]

12:44: Nailed it In America it is about winning to make money In Europe it is about making money to win Very few clubs or team in Europe makes a profit, because normally they invest all the profit to make the team better.

[@bgdabg6769]

Nobody makes the profits in Europe. Some clubs are donated by football clubs and some by state and most just wash money. In Euroleague prize found is somewhere 30 million and almost each club invest that money

[@Sssmoken]

The NBA is about the players stardom, Europe is all about the team. No matter who you are as a player.

[@javierlorenzomartinez2330]

del nombre de la ciudad , son equipos que tienen 105 años, son nuestros equipos

[@MedenicaM]

Hello from Partizan fan, we are the best fans in Europe, probably in the world. In America it’s all about the money, in Europe it’s all about the passion. You guys overseas don’t have an ultras culture, you going to basketball games just for food and drinks. Lol

[@JohnGreenan-xh4tp]

Passion not consumerism. No which side off the water i like living on

[@Modifierparam]

The European supporter considers that since he took his time, his money and his energy to come and see you cheer you on, you have the obligation to give your life on a field, no matter the sport! In Europe, supporters can get a coach fired or make a manager resign if they show them a lack of respect on or off the field! In Europe, fans are the teammates who can't get on the field, but who ask you to sweat for them

[@biggersplash1]

I believe that there are many wars and conflicts of the past in European thought. King against king, duchy against duchy, neighbor against neighbor, family against family, Catholic Church against everyone... there was always war and strife. These are now held at a sporting level. The ultra fans are the Troops. Winning is just as important as not losing.

[@onnasenshi7739]

There are only two major differences. 1) In the USA, sport is a business, in Europe it's more of a religion. 2. US fans want to be entertained, European fans are part of the team.

[@fairybeliever4479]

It’s very cut throat in European sports. The leagues are structured in such a way that if you finish the season on the 3-4 lower spots. You get relegated from the league to a lower league. In USA bottom teams fight to finish worse. So they can get to pick players for the next season. That’s just crazy! Takes the incentive to fight to the end out of the sport.

[@mauriziobarlafante6830]

in euroleaghue every single match is a war, you cannot go to the stadium to eat or drink.... you go to the stadium to support your team, till your voice support you!

[@SasaNovak-e2o]

The Passion is needed in NBA bro. In Europe,Basketball is passion. Love to the game.

[@SeArCh4DrEaMz]

"everybody clap your hands!" oh the cringe, I dont need to be a european to feel it, just a human being...

[@mihaiachim244]

I saw all these scenes in different videos. But this guy did a good job putting them together.

[@napoleondiaz2313]

It is a football ⚽️ environment, some clubs from Europe and other places are multi-sport, part of the football team has a basketball team, volleyball, etc. etc.

[@prouvencau6343]

If the fanbase is outrageously lit, it is a call of duty to be at least as lit as they are. In Europe, players have the obligation to respect their club which means its institution, its history, its rivalry and most important of all its fanbase, which is also its customer. And that's for any sport.

[@Sezercik3333]

Fan culture originally comes from football. The ultras of the football clubs eventually switched to basketball to support their teams.

[@xX_CRIZII_Xx]

The big difference is in US u r just a Customer, in Europe u r more part of the Team you Support, likebthe 12th Teammate in Soccer! Its more than buying Merch.

[@aleksovskialeksandar3577]

Nikada vi Amerikanci to nećete shvatiti. To je iskrena ljubav prema svom klubu i iskrena tuga kada izgubite. Kod vas je to biznis. Ako to postane i u Evropi (nažalost mislim da hoće) prestajem da gledam košarku i prelazim na balet.

[@Roque-Cachamuiña-gs1wd]

The big difference is that in the United States sport is a spectacle, in Europe it is a passion. Here many people cry when their team loses a final.

[@DainiusB2]

Euro-league right now is what NBA used to be in the 80s and 90s. It appears that competition and rivalries were eradicated from NBA to make more money and keep the stars happy.

[@mudyla1]

Europe basketball is like war where the best 5 R fighting 4 nation, America feels like show where U win or lose U win.

[@leopartanen8752]

Maybe Americans could understand it better if New York Knicks would be a right-wing team, Republican owned and Brooklyn Nets would be a left-wing team, Democrat own, if there would be at least one local match where there would be some tension.

[@drigerdranzer7514]

2:35 That's true. In football the fans, especially the organized ultras are called the twelfth player.

[@primoz1231]

There was something that wasn't pointed out clearly enough. It showed the front row of seat in US with celebrities. But look at European front row. It looks more like it does in a hockey arena. It's completly closed off with a row of security guards - just check @2:22

[@santa_pepsi]

In Uruguay we have 1 death per game

[@Originalkugelzwerg]

Flares are smuggeld in easy, because the security guys are part of the Fanbase...

[@milesdust3465]

Basically, it is not for the love of the game. It is the love for their teams, and it started hundreds of years before the sport even was invented. Sometimes thousands of year like Hurling for example.

[@0ShadowG0]

Relegations. That would be a massive game changer for the NBA. No more tanking, everyone's head on the chopping board if you loose (lower pay, lower viewership, etc.) Put that in and see how much more seriously the games are taken from the get go

[@_Wolfsbane_]

"Franchise". The teams are franchises, soulless money machines that can be traded and moved. == USA. "Tribe". The teams are region/city tribes important to the people of the region/city. == Europe. This is for all professional team sports.

[@mohaa556]

Yeah the Euroleague is a competition of sports teams, the NBA is a celebrity reality show that sometimes have basketball in it. Don't get me wrong the NBA does have some great players in it, but I can't help but laugh when NBA fans say stuff like "Oh the weakest NBA team could smoke the entire Euroleague, because it just shows how little they actually know, especially if you consider all the players bought by NBA teams who were former Euroleague players.

[@The_Judge300]

I love how the Americans are desperate to call themselves world champions, even if they are not. And they have world championships in all sorts of sports and other events, where they don't invite or inform a single non-American that it is going to happen at all, and then they crown someone the world champion because he/she won it that day with only Americans present. There are VERY many Americans having some sort of World Champion title that have never competed against a single non-American in their life...

[@djolek85]

Like @GhostStalker1712 mentioned - there is only 1 constant, and it is a saint one...called the Club! no relocation, no superstar more important then the title.. if the superstar or club become to arogant, they are being ingored nad bowed by the fans... that means no future transfer for a superhero or no future for club as fans do not sell the tickets, or TV rights die due to the poor game responses. And in the end that is why you see players being mixed with fans - they all care about is the club, and not $$$ !

[@nicoladc89]

Gigi Datome tells of a derby in Istanbul when he played for Galatasaray, they were greeted by the opposing fans throwing thousands of coins.

[@vasileiosavlonitis8895]

i have seen NBA players get their feelings hurt from some fan close to the court and asking for that fan to leave the game. I really wanna see lebron trying to make the referee have a fan ejected ..This game is not gonna end and lebron would end up in a hospital

[@boleperishon5272]

Everyone knows - in the US, you play for money, in Europe, you play for the fans.

[@jaorlowski]

In Europe you don't consume a game, you participate.

[@manoletiislar354]

Europe is real, America still has a lot to learn.

[@vasileiosavlonitis8895]

nba has way too many fans that are fans of the players first. Thats kind of a big no no in EU

[@YpsilonK]

imagin the boston celtics walk into one of these arenas to play for the world champion ship. would look so funny in nba arenas on the one side nba fans....on the other a complet war zone :D :D :D

[@SJ-kz2ii]

The superstar in the team is the coach doesn’t matter how big of a celebrity u r , once u put a badge u r an unknown soldier who has to die for what s he is wearing or he ll had to explain himself to the ultras

[@Erodius]

Thats some cardio the europian fans have. NBA fans arent physically fit for that much intensity as europians😂

[@timometsanoja9666]

One of the biggest differences is the ticket pricing... The tickets are so expensive in the NBA that the hard-core fans that are usually just normal people can't really afford to go to the games regularly. And the games are attended by a bunch of rich people who aren't that invested in the sport. This is something that has happened in Finland with Hockey and especially in the World Championship tournaments... Where the prices are extra high. And these games have fallen flat as the crowds and the people are not the real fans... It is what happens when the prices soar... The passion falls on the way side of the almighty dollar...

[@TheColonyRed]

4:00 good point, it's a cultural thing, superhero movies from childhood , idols, separation - there's this side and that side, make it or break it......through and through american culture

[@dominiknycz7912]

It's abouth the greed & pride vs. sport & fight.

[@sorikos1]

i have said that 1.000.000 times, bring the nba champions in europe to play against the european champions, but in an european court with europan (fiba) rules, until they understand the game the nba team will be down 20-25 points with 3 miutes for the game to finish. NBA is amazing show and everythting, but in europe we play basketball...ask keba walker that he his first season in europe (as an nba super star) was bellow average

[@bjorndebar8361]

There are cities in Europe that have been spiritually at war for several hundred years, this has been transferred to the cities' clubs and this has often given rise to rivalries in sports, but these often have a different origin. As an example I have Hannover vs Braunschweig 2nd league Germany. Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia: The enmity between Hanover and Braunschweig has lasted for centuries. Once it was about power games at the royal court and the privileges of the various aristocratic lines, later about the awarding of the Lower Saxony state capital or a place in the newly founded Bundesliga. These games are also available in other cities. Maybe this will give you a better understanding of the European sports mentality. You can also explain it in short with the word, war.

[@SofijaStevic-me]

Serbian girl here.i personally think that sport is life

[@mirceamaier6546]

In europe, especially in the Balkans, there have been so many wars ... It is actually better that now these wars have moved on these sport fields. The fans' behaviour is just a mirror of the wars that have been fought over the centuries in this region.

[@bogoljubdjordjevic7528]

Players come and goes but club stay forever!!!

[@sleshflex4170]

the difference is "the audience is here because of me" and " you are here because of the audience" is called respect.

[@dom2dmountainvendigo366]

Take into account that most european ultras can have political statements statements aimed at other clubs/fan bases / counties so that makes it more hostile everytime rival clubs meet.

[@airobsmith]

In Europe the club is always more important than any player or coach or anyone else. If you don't perform you'll be out and the supporters will be the first to start questioning

[@Youdoyouyeah]

Passion levels for sport in Europe is OFF THE CHARTS. So too in Asia to be fair. Americans have the same passion too- look at College Football. It’s just that cultural identity is what drives passion. College sport has tons of it because they have their own unique identity. Not so for Franchises. But in Europe, the clubs have their own unique identities. Also remember a lot of European crowds are super homogeneous culturally. America of course is far more diverse. That ends up making for a better school of players but maybe not for crowds. Interesting conversation topic.

[@MrCrazysatan]

In europe nobody is bigger then the club.. the sportsmen are just passing by!!

[@magnusthulstruplemming706]

NBA is more about money and euro league is more for the fans

[@Bukoe]

in most of Europe we have something we call the Law of Jante ... its a old part of the culture here its more or less just Dont think your better .. And if you are better Dont show it .. we like down to earth people you stick your head out we cut it off .. Here you can stand beside a Star or a super rich person and not even know it most of them just Act and look normal..

[@nyiszala2]

We don't care if we lose bro. We wanna see them put literally everything they have in the game, wanna see them fight for the last breath and leave the floor with heads up.

[@HakleberryFinn]

7:33 I´m thinking the Same about that, Almost every aspect of the U.S. needs these Anecdote´s with that Happy Ending. The whole Voting Campagne´s are a pretty Present Example or even almost every Historical Story got that weird Taste in it, at Least at some Point´s. Seeing these Celeb´s in there, acting like they do, is exactly that Taste. German Fun Fact: Our Celebrity´s meet at the Horse-Racing-Track. I had once an invitation/Ticket from Daimler/Benz with everything included. And nobody there care´s about Horses or even Horse-Racing. And its F´n boring there!

[@lethargicmosquito]

Basketball in USA = PG13 Fun Game Basketball in South Eastern Europe = WAAAAAAAAAAR!!!! Do yourself a favour and go for a little European tour just to experience a couple of big games, your mind will be blown. Although tbh with you, what you'll see will be a slightly watered down version, as fans used to be even better when no modern phones were around

[@stevannikolovski]

In NBA everything is about the money. In Europe everything is about the game and the Club. The Club is the main entity here, everyone is just a little part in the machine of the club. If celebrity comes to a game, everyone is like its okay but and nice but nobody gives a fuck really, he is just another guy watching a game. Not like Rihana and Jay-z there.

[@aleksejjovanovic986]

I watched my team Buducnost from Podgorica play against Red Star Belgrade 2 weeks ago, i am still deaf after that game. Lmao Fans started throwing lighters and whatnot on judges and Red Star players after some dubious situations on the field. Riot police had to throw out a whole section of fans. Its was just a normal game.

[@hipotenuza5663]

You mean Future vs Red Star. Don't translate names of clubs.

[@aleksejjovanovic986]

@@hipotenuza5663 Future...Lol Ill still call my team by its right name BUDUCNOST! Like any of you westerners translate your names so others can understand... Buducnost/Crvena Zvezda. Now cry me a river, snowflake.

[@tadeuszprzyszlak]

In USA you care waaay to much about celebrity and money. Here a player isnt a celebriity, iits a guy who you can take to a bar for a beer. The Club iis the most important thng, then there is a coach who can yell curse and even sometimes smack the player iif he doesnt do what h is told. Fans can freely interact with players and berate them when they play badly. Its all about the club and the city, lot of ciitiies are 1000-2000 years old and its all about ancient tribal wars and not some overpriced celebrities. We still remember who iinvaded who etc and clubs and fans do this instead shooting guys from different towns. Its just a dfferent culture, not at all about mooney and celebs.

[@HakleberryFinn]

I Love the Passion in Europe. I Love that you can relaxed take youre Kids with you in U.S. (It looks so chilled^^) Both got their own "Charme" (As Long as Flare Lights are charming lol)

[@TheOrlandoTrustfull]

I physically grimaced when the commentator got all excited because Rihanna walked in front of him. That's probably a 50 year old man.

[@Touchpadse]

In football the home fans are called the 12th player

[@DrMcKay66]

Some sports are above god here in Europe. It is a thing americans will never understand unless you visit here and can see it for yourselfs. 😊

[@Vulcano92]

You got it right, americans are treated as customers because they are. This is the reason why US sports team sare called FRANCHISE, because they are companies. The reason is quite simple, the vast majority of european football or basketball club were founded by ordinary people, mostly workers from a factory who just wanted to beat the guys from the other factory from the other side of the city. CLubs in Europe are deeply rooted to the community, we're not FANS, we ARE the team.

[@DimShamrock]

No, not always. Panathinaikos was founded by elite track-and-field athletes for example. Not rich guys per-se, but not ordinary kids either. Real Madrid has been both Franco's team, and the Royal Family's team. Also Florentino Perez's team. Closest thing to a Thanos you can possibly imagine in Football terms.

[@JoJo-vm8vk]

5:11 Hey, the fans need to practice too 😂

[@ihuntkillerz4450]

It's different here, teams represent people, us fans. Rivalries goes from city to city, country to country, historical, political, religion, everything you can name 😂 and that's great! Example would be SAS and Mavs are from the same state, they should be hating each other, every away game should be like no way to win. Knicks and Celtics, oh man ... and then even Eastern teams against Western, and so on... you can't put ticket prices expensive, players are here for the people, and the people show up for the team. And most of ultras are perfectly organised so it's great.

[@CristiannSoS]

Another analogy... In Europe everything is sport and passion, when in USA everything is a show. The sports part missing badly. Even the football is a show. In Europe we have UCL, UEL and other competitions. You have world League, where only USA teams play. Because other way, when the sport coming to action, unfortunately you do not know how to play.

[@Siplexus]

imagine a NBA Player in Euroleague with the same ego as in the US and he will get his ass beaten on the court, by the coach and even the fans

[@dzjacels336]

its the "rules" i have no doubt that if NBA allowed even half of the shit that for fans to do whats allowed in Euro it would be crazy too

[@rupertmurdock6783]

In America they will throw you out and even arrest you for saying a dirty word to a player. xD

[@brians2869]

I'm with you, dude... it's more visceral... like college hoops x100

[@bubbles1525_]

LeBron would get destroyed by the defense in the euro league, there wouldn't be enough tissues in the world for him over there

[@brick_james]

We Europeans are fans and you Americans are customers.

[@chd.mcmxix]

us dont have club culture in basketball, its super different due to this basic thing: the club

[@Delta66-jz1vl]

A 82 games season is really terrible. You can't play with high intensity 4 games a week. In Euroleague teams have usually 2 games a week, which is allready quite a lot. Coaches have more time to adapt strategies to the next opponent. Greeks, Serbs, and Turcs are propably the most raucous crowds but it is not so extreme in every european country. But beside crowds the intensity on the court is way higher than a regular season NBA game, it is close to NCAA march mardness. There is no tanking either as the woerst teams in a league are demoted to lower divisions.