American reacts to ABSURD parking rule in Germany (Realer Irrsinn)

[@SweDaneDragon]

yes, it's a parking disk. You set the time of arrival, rounded up to the nearest half hour. The place you park has a set amount of hours you are allowed to park there. She said she could park there 3 hours with the parking disk. It's used all over Europe, not only in Germany.

[@vonBlankenburgLP]

It's not the nearest half hour, but the next half hour. You must always round up. Which is to your advantage.

[@kipchickensout]

​@@vonBlankenburgLPthat's why they said "round up"

[@SweDaneDragon]

@@vonBlankenburgLP try reading what I wrote one more time. it says Rounded up.

[@m.v.1594]

Ich muss widersprechen: nicht nearest Ankunfstzeit, sondern der, die als nächstes kommt, wenn du um 10:01 ankommst, dann stellst du die auf 10:30 sonst bekommst du Probleme (in Osnabrück) ....

[@kipchickensout]

@@m.v.1594 lies noch mal. gesagt wurde _aufrunden_

[@DaGuys470]

The idea behind residential parking is that only residents can park there for longer than 3 hours, meaning the spots are reserved for the people that actually need them. Apparently the planners forgot to account for people working there. Edit: resident parking apparently just applies between 9am and 7pm, hence the parking disc has to be set for 9. Stupid, but I get it.

[@dnocturn84]

"resident parking apparently just applies between 9am and 7pm, hence the parking disc has to be set for 9. Stupid, but I get it." Agreed, but it has to be a written rule / a law then. How can you fine someone, if nobody can check / read about these rules? That's rediculous.

[@LoFiAxolotl]

@@dnocturn84 all laws in germany are publicly available both online, at every public library and every town hall, by law you're required to inform yourself about the laws, there's a very famous german saying that's derived from a law "Stupidity does not protect from punishment" which goes back to roman times.. Ignorantia legis non excusat

[@dnocturn84]

@@LoFiAxolotl Did you watch the video? These people asked the city administration, where they can find information about this and where they can read about it. The town hall replied, that this does *not* exist in written form and they can't read it anywhere. Hence my issue with this.

[@LoFiAxolotl]

​@@dnocturn84 even in this case... Stupidity does not protect from punishment... the sign clearly marks the parking spaces to be used from 9!!!-19.... so you are NOT allowed to park there before 9am... if you think it's not written anywhere while literally staring at a sign where it's written you definitely fall in the category of "too stupid" you will find the exact explanation for that in the StVO... you can also use basic human intelligence to deduct that

[@Lisa-xn9xc]

@@LoFiAxolotl You are allowed to park there at 8 - but at 8 it's without the parking disc.

[@LemmyD_from_Germany]

Fun fact: The parking disc (Parkscheibe) had to be blue. If you buy one in a gift shop for your girl friend in pink (for girls, you know - just like blue things for boys) for example, than she might get a ticket because the colour is against the rule or law. That would be a gift from you that she will never ever forget!! 😅 Greetings from northern Germany 🇩🇪♥️

[@Auvas_Damask]

Warum ist unser Land so? 😩

[@lexmole]

@@Auvas_Damask Damit Ordnungsbehörden die Parkscheiben sofort erkennen können. Wenn jeder irgendeine andere Farbe und Form hat, dann wird's "zu bunt" ...

[@3DPrintingwithRoberRollin]

Your "Hallo" gets better and better 🙂

[@gurutheguru]

my diagnosis is: still too much from the throat. try to let it harmonise in your mouth

[@LemmyD_from_Germany]

The earlier ones sounded like the word hollow , or just like hollow 😂

[@Anna-zi7sx]

The parking discs are used in most of Europe. It’s set for the time of arrival (rounded up) and then you have X hours to part for free. Technically you cannot come back to change the time (people do though). That’s why they’re changing their spot. Normally you would just change the time on the disc and hope that no Ordnungsamt (the regulatory bureau) person is around and notices.

[@kipchickensout]

rounded up to the next half hour

[@mauer1]

its not only about a person beeing around. the ordnungsamt can note down the angle of the wheels and see if you moved enough like that.

[@Anna-zi7sx]

@@mauer1 yeah I guess. They can also just see if you’re in the same spot which seems much much much easier. That’s why you take your chance and hope it works out

[@mauer1]

@@Anna-zi7sx well that's not a given that you didn't move. If you park out do a round and park in the same spot, you wheel angle would be different you would have given way more opportunities for others to use it than it's needed but end up in the same spot, here only the angle of the wheels are a proof that the vehicle has been moved.

[@wolf310ii]

@@Anna-zi7sx You thing remembering the parkingspot of hundreds of cars is easier than just mark one tire on the car with chalk?

[@jurgenbaumann67]

In Germany you have to put the arrival time onto it up to the next full half hour. Example: You arrive at 9:00 a.m., you have to put 9:00 a.m. on the parking disk. You arrive at 9:01 a.m., you have to put 9:30 a.m. on the parking disk. You arrive at 9:25 a.m., you still have to put 9:30 a.m. on the parking disk. Once I got a ticket for not having a parking disk. It was allowed to park 2 hours with the disk between 8.00 a.m. and 6 p.m. I parked there between 8:30 and 9:30 a.m., so there was no way I could be longer there than the 2 allowed hours. But I got a ticket for not having a parking disk.

[@Leseratte]

*Next* full half hour. So if you arrive at 8:59 you put 9:00 but if you arrive at 9:00 on the dot you put 9:30.

[@Rok_Satanas]

Just get a digital one, no chance to forget it, cheaper than a single ticket for a few years, until you need a new battery, just put a calendar event for it, or find one with a low battery indication. I connected wires to the battery pads on mine and connected it directly to the car ignition power, with a step down converter.

[@dnocturn84]

@@Rok_Satanas That's actually problematic here in this specific case. Your digital parking disc does not know, that it has to jump to 9am, even though you started parking at 8am.

[@vrenak]

@@dnocturn84 We solved that problrm in Denmark with a little bit of legislation that says electronic ones can show either time. So if it's electronic and set for 0800 and limitation begins at 0900, it is to be considered set at 0900, no local rules or anything can overrule it.

[@TB-tt5xp]

@@vrenak Yep, same here in Germany (AFAIK). Do you know, if this settles the 15 vs. 30 minutes issue between our countries as well?

[@luisekahnt7387]

Parking discs are really good, because they afford short term parking without having to pay and the rule that you gave to mive your car before resetting it guves everyone a chance to get a oarking spot. My parents had an interesting episode with a parking disc. My dad was collecting my mom from work before they went to a store to do their weekend shopping. For the parking lot at the store you could set your parking disc and had 3 hours to do your shopping. That day my parents forgot to set the parking disc that showed a much earlier time. They got a ticket, but after challenging the ticket by saying that they were still at work at the time the parking disc was set to they didn't have to pay the fine - or rather just a small processing fee.

[@MarkusHofmann-iv5sg]

Fun fact: Setting up a parking disc in Germany is more complicated as just setting it to 9 AM. If you arrive at 8:59, you have to set to 9 AM, if you arrive at 9:01, you have to set to 9:30. Law allows to set up up to 29 minutes in future without being penalised. Welcome to Germany

[@dirkschittko]

It‘s residential parking, with the possibility for short time visitors. They bent the law, the law struck back ;)

[@mauer1]

well they just Fucked up the arrival time. if the 3 hours parking only start at 9 a.m. any disc time set to before that is basically not a disc set up for this parking spot. which means you dont have a disc. what they did with rearranging the cars every 3 hours is how you have to do it. you have to give someone else a chance to use that spot.

[@cetpe9998]

The same happened to my mum in front of our house. The parking time starts at 7 and she came at 6. She had to pay 20€ for giving the “wrong” arrival time.

[@MusikCassette]

@@mauer1 the ring around the rosi is an attempt to game the System.

[@mauer1]

@@MusikCassette well yes and no. each of them makes a spot open for someone who wants to park there. so everythings fine for them. until of course someone else snipes exactly the timing and is legitimitly claiming the free spot.

[@toxiccc777]

No, they did not bend the law, they are doing exactly what is required by law and that is changing the parking spot. They could also drive 1 min around the block and pull into the exact same parking spot. They did not get fined for the switching game, but for a "wrongly" set parking disk.

[@LythaWausW]

In Seattle they would go around in their tiny autos and scratch chalk on your tire. At some point they'd come back, see chalk, and ticket you. So we learned to walk back to our cars and wipe off the chalk. Also, did you know you can rub down a penny to fit into a dime/quarter only parking meter? It works. Are there still coin-parking meters in America?

[@MrsStrawhatberry]

Been to Hawaii in March and they had many coin-parking meters.

[@WSandig]

If you arrive at 9 am, you actually have to set it to 9:30. so you always have between 1 and 30 minutes more than it says on the sign. I have an electronic parking disc that sets itself as soon as the car stops.

[@inge6280]

We have the parking discs too in the Netherlands, normally though a company would be able to get a number of parking licences too in cases like this

[@ErnstGaming]

The parking zone is free for residents with a parking permit L. For everyone else, parking is allowed from Monday to Saturday between 9 AM and 7 PM, but only for three hours (or from 7PM to 9AM without restriction) at a time. Once the three hours are up, you must move your car and can then park again for another three hours. The problem with this parking area is that people want to start parking there as early as 8 AM. If you park at 8 AM, you must set the parking disc to 9 AM, as the three-hour limit starts from that time. To set a parking disc correctly, turn the dial to the next half-hour mark after your arrival time, or to the start time if you arrive before parking is allowed. For example, if you arrive at 9:10 AM, set the parking disc to 9:30 AM. Place the disc visibly on the dashboard so that it can be easily read from outside the vehicle.

[@stevenvanhulle7242]

Yes, of course we have these parking discs also in Belgium. You have to use one which is in all 3 of our official languages: Dutch, French and German. I know of at least one person who got fined because the disc didn't apply to the rules: apart from the three official languages it also had a fourth language on it, English...

[@LoFiAxolotl]

Whats written on them? Mine just have the wheel with the time and the [P]

[@CherryGS]

@@LoFiAxolotl if you're in Germany make sure it's a blue [P]-sign on the disk. People got fined for using pink disks that had the white [P] printed on them (exactly as the blue disks), but because of the different color of the disk itself the [P] had a pink instead of blue background and was therefore seen as invalid.

[@stevenvanhulle7242]

@@LoFiAxolotl "Uur van aankomst", "Heure d'arrivee", "Ankunftzeit". "Time of arrival" is not allowed.

[@ifzwischendurch]

There are no parking disks in America because you have enough space. But Europe is very densely populated and there is a lack of parking space everywhere.

[@LythaWausW]

The parking attendents drive around marking cars physically, routinely and precisely in America. It's a whole nother world.

[@borstenpinsel]

USA uses parking meters in cities (Parkuhr) something that's been replaced in Germany by the Parkschein (haven't seen a Parkuhr since the turn of the century). Being able to park for free for a few hours (with proof of arrival and thus proof you didn't park longer than allowed) actually should mean that more parking space is available than in areas where you need to pay from the first minute (and also need to estimate how you're gonna park there in advance)

[@koabua1973styria]

As the Saying goes : Why do something simple, when you can make it complicated. That is the Motto of the Bureaucracy.

[@snurfli5605]

It is ideology. You could also simply charge for parking spaces. After all, it is public land that is occupied by private cars. But then the residents would also have to pay and that is difficult because of the car ideology in Germany. There have been rulings in federal courts that the state is obliged to provide public land for parking spaces due to an official car ideology. You are not allowed to put your sofa in this parking lot, even though your sofa is private property, because there is no state sofa ideology. That's what the courts have ruled. No joke.

[@wolf310ii]

@@snurfli5605 No, the residents would not have to pay, resident parking card on the dashbord and they can park for free, like thesy can park without parking disc. And its not ideology, you are also not allowed to put your trash on the sidewalk, on the street or a bike lane

[@snurfli5605]

@@wolf310ii Of course it is. All parking on public roads was once prohibited. You could only had a car if you could prove you had a parking space. Until one driver took the matter to court. The court ruled as follows: As long as the state subsidizes driving, public spaces must also be made available for parking. That is judicially established ideology. It is not a human right to park your private car anywhere.

[@wolf310ii]

@@snurfli5605 No, you never had to prove that you own a parking spot befor you could get a car, that is only in Japan, very far away from Germany And the state is also not obliged to provide public parking lots and most parking lots are on private land, because the same law that prohibited parking on public roads says also land owner who build a house, has also provide enough parking space. By the way thats a law from a time Ferdinand Porsche designed the VW Beetle for his special friend from Austria.

[@aphextwin5712]

@@snurfli5605In Switzerland many cities ‘charge’ for parking everywhere. You are only allowed to park on marked spots. Parking spots outlined in white have some sort of parking meter. Parking spots marked in blue allow for free parking for a few hours (via the parking disk) or for unlimited time if you have a residential parking permit. The residential parking permit, that allows you to park in the blue zone, can cost up to CHF 1000 per year, though the typical price is a few hundred Francs.

[@henkdooi1]

In the Netherlands you can buy a motorized parking disc that uses a very small electric clock mechanism and advances the set time.

[@tosa2522]

These are short-term parking spaces where parking for longer than the specified period is not permitted. Even reparking, as shown in the video, is not legal because you have to leave the entire parking area. The traffic wardens check whether the car has been moved by making a chalk line on the tire. If the tire has not moved, only the parking disc has been moved, you still have to pay the fine.

[@stechuskaktus8318]

Yes, and it's not like you're "supposed to play musical chairs", doing that is essentially just using a loophole like getting infinite free trials with throwaway email accounts. The "can't set it to 8am when you arrived before 9am" is just absolute bs that benefits not a soul on earth. I also think it's stupid that it has to be this blue disk, you can't just note your arrival time on a sheet of paper if you forgot your disk.

[@o0ooo0]

​@@stechuskaktus8318maybe don't force people to work somewhere if they can't go to the place easily

[@toxiccc777]

No, you don't need to leave the parking area if you pull into a different parking spot.

[@tosa2522]

According to Hentschel's commentary on the StVO, the following applies: "Agreed swapping of spaces after the end of the maximum parking time is also inadmissible as a violation of the short-stay parking regulations, even in the case of a new entry." Furthermore, it is stated that the parking area must be left at least long enough to allow other road users to park. You should therefore drive at least "one lap around the block". If a parking space is still free afterwards, you may park there again.

[@stechuskaktus8318]

@@tosa2522 Yes that makes sense. Maybe they wanted to fine the parkdancers for that but couldn't prove it, so they were extra pedantic about "wrong time set" to get back at them.

[@MusikCassette]

the Idea, that you park at most 3 hours and leave. The ring around the rosy is there work around. When you come there for work you should park somewhere else or not use a ca at all. They are indeed breaking the spirit of the law with that.

[@aphextwin5712]

In Switzerland, the residential parking permit (allowing to park as long as you want in the blue zones in your part of the city) usually costs a few hundred Swiss francs per year. Many towns also offer a parking permit for commuters but at frequently 3x the price of a residential permit.

[@SWillut]

This this this!!! I can't believe I had to scroll so far to find this

[@Lisa-xn9xc]

They do break the spirit of the law. That parking area is meant for residents or short time parkers. By moving your car every 3 hours you may technically abide to the law, but you are tricking the authorities. Of course they try to find a way to give you a ticket. The spirit of the law would be that the employer provides parking for the employees or the employees park at another spot and walk the way or they use public transportation or a bike. The people working there are exactly the ones that this law doesn't want to park there at all. I'm not a fan of these reaidential parking areas if there isn't a big enough free parking lot nearby, because it's just harassing the working people, but this is what the law is.

[@srkares]

thats not what he meant and not what the ticket was for. the ticket was for not setting the correct arrival time. he commented on the spirit of that part of the law not being broken, since they did set their correct arrival time.

[@DramaQueenMalena]

This is clearly in the inner city. People have the possibility to go there with public traffic. Especially if they work at a "normal" time, 8 to 5. It's to discourage people to use their car. It prevents traffic jams in inner cities with narrow streets, it protects the old buildings. A lot of cities do it. Because we pay taxes in our city for maintenance. People who live outside come with their cars, take the parking places of those who live there. Leave their garbage here, use our infrastructure like parks etc. And do not contribute.

[@LoFiAxolotl]

i feel like the parking disc have kinda disappeared though, i still always have one in my car but can't even remember using it once in the last 20 years (relying more on public transportation and living in Berlin though)

[@UVCMD]

If your city has a trash public transportation system that uses only buses, that are as reliable as the DB, then these policies are just bullying. In my case it is simply 3 times faster to use the car. The argument about "our taxes for maintenance" is bullcrap. Many people that commute to work from outside contribute to the economy of the city by generating revenue for business through work and consumption. Take Frankfurt am Main e.g. where 1/3 of the cities business is taken care of commuters. As Gewerbesteuer accounts for a significant proportion of municipal finances, the city would simply go bankrupt if the income generated by commuters were to disappear.

[@DramaQueenMalena]

I live in Bern Switzerland. So maybe it's not the same. People living in the small villages or suburbs with very low taxes. And in a capital city most people work for government or for an organization that pays no taxes and makes no profit. NGO or Dachverbände. For us it's a problem and for many cities in Germany too. Maybe not Frankfurt. This was about Osnabrück and I'm sure they know exactly why they made that Verordnung.

[@UVCMD]

@@DramaQueenMalena They do this everywhere in Germany to pretend that they care about the environment, to reduce pollution by cars. But as you might see, this is quite counter intuitive, if you don't provide good alternative transportation methods to cars, that are reliable! They know why they made that, but this is fighting symptoms and not the reasons, why people choose to drive. And since no public transportation system can cover 100% of people, it is just not inclusive of people that simply rely on a car. As for Osnabrück, there are almost 59k commuters in, 27k commuters out and a population of 167k. So during the day 42% of people come from abroad. I really really doubt it, that most of it are working for non profit organizations. And I also doubt it that this is the case with Switzerland. Bern may be an exception, I don't know. But generally speaking the money has to come from somewhere.

[@LoFiAxolotl]

@@DramaQueenMalena cars are generally a problem in germanys bigger cities like Frankfurt, Hamburg, Berlin, Cologne, Düsseldorf etc etc etc... it's mostly Right Wing Gen X and older who complain about bad public transportation... seen by almost a third of Gen Z for example opting to not even get a drivers license which has dropped even more since the introduction of the Deutschland Ticket Also over a quater of the taxable revenue of Frankfurt is done by 5 companies... (Deutsche Bank, Deloitte, EY, KPMG, and PwC) with another almost quater of the taxable revenue done through companies associated with the stock exchange... also Frankfurt has really great public transportation... not on the level of Berlin but still more than good enough

[@nellitheretrogamer8666]

If you arrive at 9:01 and set the disk to 9:30, that is correct because it has to be set to the next half hour. People take advantage of this; if parking is allowed only for 30 minutes, arriving at 9:01 allows you to park there for 59 minutes.

[@DJone4one]

With the limited parking facilities, a solution had to be found. With the limited parking time of approx. 2 hours or 3 hours, the aim is to offer fairer parking options for others. However, this does not always work everywhere. Fun fact: The parking discs must look like this. They must not be changed. This is also prescribed by law. Both the colour and the size are specified by law in the StVO. The parking disc must be 11 centimetres wide, 15 centimetres high and blue and white. It must be possible to set the time in 24-hour format, with the word "Arrival time" above the setting window. Nor may a parking disc be black, red or patterned. The only permitted colour for a parking disc is blue, specifically the shade of blue in accordance with DIN 6171 "Supervisory colours for traffic signs". All other colours or shades of blue are prohibited for parking discs.

[@martinhuhn7813]

That´s generally not absurd at all. The parking rule is designed to protect the residents and to allow customers to find free spots, because nobody (except for the residents) is allowed to park there for more then 3 hours. If you are not a resident, you are supposed to look for long time parking at a more distant spot. In this case, no solution for the workers have been found and they exploit a gap in the rule by swiching parking lots, but that is not, how it is generally supposed to work. In such a case, the town might react by completely reserving parking spots for residents and not allow any other cars on them. That would be bad, because in that case, those spots are just all empty, when the residents are not at home, whilst nobody else finds legal parking spots there. Of cause, it is ridiculous, that the city does not look for solutions for the problem but instead tries to make it go away by (possibly incorrect, depending on how accurately they explained the case here) nitpicking in response to the (legal) nitpicking the workers there use, to systematically exploit the gap in the law. (Actually, the correct setting for the parking disk is the next full half hour. So, if you arrive at 9:01, 9:30 is the (only) correct setting. And even if the maximum parking time according to the signs is only 10 minutes, the end time would be 9:40 then (unless, the use of the parking disk is not indicated at all, then 10 minutes are just 10 minutes, if somebode controlls it).)

[@LemmyD_from_Germany]

On some models of these parking discs you can calculate the fuel consumption in liters per 100 km on the back! This is very useful if you drive an older car from the 80s or 90s because it doesn't have an on-board computer installed. Greetings from northern Germany 🇩🇪 ♥️

[@sebi6849]

The Problem is that they put markings on the tires, so they can see that the car was moved or not. But now there are digital parking disks available and legal.

[@MusikCassette]

you do not need a digital one. you always could just make a cheating disk with a clock. But that is actually fraud. I do not think free parking is worth committing fraud. especially in a way that can easily be caught.

[@CherryGS]

But the digital parking disk would also show 8am, because it only registers the parking of the car, doesn't account for (how should it?) the "Anwohnerparken ab 9 Uhr".

[@sebi6849]

@CherryGS yes that's right, but in this case the Ordnungsamt can not discuss. Or I have to go out at 9am and shake my car

[@fliplefrog8843]

Denmark has digital parking 'discs' like about 20years ;D Germany is sooo fast with new things.. Not!! Like battery lights on your bicycle.. It was 1978 i saw the first ones in Denmark. Germans drove their lights by a dynamo until LED became cheap 😅

[@sacerdor7467]

@@fliplefrog8843the reason was that it wasn‘t legal to have this as your only form of light on a bicycle. Because if your battery runs out of power, you‘re not allowed to cycle in the dark.😊

[@MichaEl-rh1kv]

Parking discs are used in parking spots where the allowed time for parking is limited, but free of charge. There is usually a sign at those spots showing the max parking time. You set the time of arrival on your disk and put it behind the windscreen, so it is visible to parking wardens. It is partly a system of trust, but if the wardens note that a car was here at their last round, but with another arrival time, they'll write a parking ticket. If you are a serious offender (e.g. repeatedly reset the disc without leaving the spot), they could even order a tow truck to remove your car. In this case the parking time is limited to 3 hours, so they have to leave every 3 hours the office, move their cars to another spot and then set a new arrival time - since they do this together at the same time, they can simply switch the spot. Such parking zones are often made in residential areas, where residents get a permanent parking permit (either a card behind the windshield or a sticker, always with the car's license number on it), while others are only allowed to park for some hours (3 hours is rather a lot). The rule is here only applied during the day between 9 am and 7 pm. But the idea that this means you can not officially arrive outside of this time slot is really a bit absurd - however for the employees it could mean they have to switch spots one time less...

[@TB-tt5xp]

I have even seen such guys marking the tires of cars with chalk. If the line still fits it is a proof, you have not moved. Those dudes in the video switch spots, but basically it is enoght to roll the car. It is not strictly forbidden, so nobody can realy keep you from doing it (except they see you doing so, I think).

[@oskarprotzer3000]

0:23 you actually nailed the "ü" in Osnabrück. Good job Ryan :D

[@nickhaas3085]

I know that too. I always call it Car Tetris

[@unverbunden]

Why Car Tetris? In which way is reparking similar to Tetris?

[@KittenKatja]

7:35 The problem with the American parking time limit is that the car needs to move out of that parking lot. German efficiency of changing the spot to a nearby spot does not work. Rarely, changing the spot to another parking lot also doesn't work. (and remember, portraying American police officers as idiots in comics is forbidden)

[@aphextwin5712]

In Switzerland, just moving your car a few spaces is considered as illegally trying to circumvent the time limit and can get a fine for that (CHF 40).

[@luckyisalreadyinuse]

parking times are between 9am - 7pm so the time between 7pm and 9am is not restricted. thats why they start counting from 9pm. A bit petty tho but still, that way it makes sence. And since they're only allowed to park there for 3 hours until they have remove their car, which is fine for people who just wanna go to a store nearby etc. but since they work there they repark their cars to avoid that 3h rule. That could get fixed if they would get a parking licence as well as the local residents, but at the moment there are none for employes of companies nearby.

[@philippgro2797]

There is another video on this YT channel about parking discs, where the shape and color decide whether they are legal or illegal. In one of Germany's neighboring countries, the shape and color of the paring disc may be different, but in Germany only 2 versions may be used. One parking disc shape was shown in the video and has a secondary function as an ice scraper, and the other is completely made of paper. and MUST have a dark blue color in Germany. (This comment was created using Google Translate)

[@stuborn-complaining-german]

There is also officially certified electronic ones that will automatically set the time when the vehicle stops moving. So in this case that one would also set 8h and not some stupid imaginary time the city thinks is right. I'm sure this ticketing practice won't stand in front of any court...

[@winittiwary7893]

Thats what came to my mind, too, since I use them since at least 12 years - and got at least three tickets "for not using a park disc", a picture from my front window always solved the issue so far luckely.

[@stuborn-complaining-german]

@@winittiwary7893 Jup, same here. I even had a policeman writing a ticket and who was just putting it behind my wiper when I had to point out the electronic parking disk, clearly visible fixed to my front screen... He was surprised those exist... . ..for over 10 years now... 😆

[@winittiwary7893]

@@stuborn-complaining-german They are officially allowed in the EU since 2008 :)

[@MrTuxracer]

If you set your parking disk before 9 am, it means you arrived before 9 a. but you are not allowed to park there at that time unless you are a resident. Sometimes extra 3 leaves out some facts, so things look more stupid than they are. Setting the disc to 9 am means, you bet on the chance, noone is checking before 9, otherwise you are fined for parking at Anwohneparken, although you don't have an Anwohnerparkausweis.

[@cerliezio]

Used in Italy and the rest of Europe as well. Parking is free for a limited amount of time as posted. That is why you must indicate the time of arrival so simple. Normally tihs is valid between 8/9.00 until around or about 20,00rs. Very simple

[@Seban420]

btw the show is called Extra Drei (3) because its was broadcasted on channel 3, maybe im reading too much into it but in german Drei is pronounced kinda like dry, so to me its also a lil world play ->extra dry, for the extra dry humor

[@LordKosmos]

Yes, we got a lot of this little bureaucracy quirks and mostly they are very entertaining...and sometimes you just sit there in disbelief and try to comprehend, how or why some of them came to be or never got corrected. And the most "deplorable" thing is, having a public servant openly and with a straight face defending those quirks, as if it is the most reasonable thing (because some regulation says so), to entrench an old ladys house, build a bridge over a never build road or forcing a restaurant owner to cut his tables to the allowed length. XD

[@theheinzification]

Austria here. Parking discs work in 15 min. intervals here. And it is (or should be) common knowledge, that you set the arriving time to the time the short parking begins analog to the traffic sign indicating it. But I would have never thought, that you get punished for putting it before that like in the video. That is wild.

[@CornedBee]

Yeah, that's weird, even for Germany. Seems like technically, this is what the law states, but of course no one is going to enforce it ... until a parking attendant gets really annoyed at the people getting around the 3-hour restriction by playing ring around the rosy. My best guess anyway.

[@theheinzification]

@@CornedBee There is not playing ring around the rosy. As I wrote in another comment here, in reality they for sure only "correct" the time of arrival.

[@kerouac2]

The blue parking disks are used everywhere in Europe. It's not just a German thing. In olden times in the US where there was free parking for 2 or 3 hours, the agents would come and make a chalk mark on the tires to be able to see if the cars had moved.

[@haraberu]

I got an automatic parking disc. It's a little digital clock with an acceleration sensor inside. You glue it on your windshield and it shows the real time on the inside and the time when the vehicle stopped moving on the outside. After setting it up, you never need to touch it again until you change the battery.

[@lutzj74]

Unless the parking restrictions apply at a time after your arrival. As you can see in the video. :)

[@corncutter]

Ok, first of all getting a ticket for NOT setting the arrival time to the future when the parking rules start to apply is ridiculous! But the parking discs in general are ok. Yes, they are a little bit more inconvenient for you as the driver because you need to set them up before you leave your car. BUT in the end it is way more efficient for the city since the controllers don't have to remember or note down tons of license plates over the day but just check the time on the discs. They don't have to circle around the same area over and over again. They just show up whenever it fits an check the discs. There are also automated systems at supermarkets with sensors that just check for how long a car is parking over them. And when it's longer than an hour someone gets called and writes a ticket. In those cases you just need to set the car back and then hop in again from time to time so that the sensor resets.^^

[@Erik69118]

I can't tell you how many times I quickly went into the post office or pharmacy for 10 minutes and forgot to put my disc out in view with the time I arrived and came back to my car with a ticket on it for not having the disc out. I moved to Germany in 2006 and got my German license in 2016 so it took me a long time to get used to always putting the disc and setting the time when I arrived.

[@Rok_Satanas]

Get a digital one, it's cheaper than a single ticket. And it's set it and forget it until you need to change the battery, get one that has an internal lcd as well, when that one is off while driving, you know your battery is out. I'm a forgetful person, so i went immediately to the digital one.

[@Erik69118]

@@Rok_Satanas Where did you buy it? What is it called in German so I can look it up. Thanks!

[@dnocturn84]

@@Rok_Satanas That's actually problematic here in this specific case. Your digital parking disc does not know, that it has to jump to 9am, even though you started parking at 8am.

[@Rok_Satanas]

@@dnocturn84 All digital ones i know have a half hour jump button, you can actually adjust it after parking up up to the time you want

[@dnocturn84]

@@Rok_Satanas But then you still have something, that you can forget again, right? There is no difference between forgetting to move your digital park disc to 9am and forgetting your analog parking disk.

[@Milo_W]

About the cops patrolling in the USA instead of using parking discs. In Germany more and more public parking lots (like next to supermarkets or other public buildings) and parking garages are now equipped with cameras that automatically capture your license plate and the time of your arrival and do the same when you leave, so they can see if your car is parked there for more than the time allowed.

[@williamrockwood5234]

i think in theory it's a gopod rule that is meant to ensure that residents get a parkingspot at where they live. the people working there are just playing the system, cause they're just not supposed to stay there longer than 3 hours, so they just move the car and park somewhere else - technically. I think the ones to blame here are the people that work there and do these park shenanigans, they're supposed to park somewhere further out and just walk some meters to work and let the residents use these spots.

[@helenahlm]

In Germany (or other European countries) they don't check every street for parking offenders every 2-3 hours, haha. so it's necessary to work with a parking disc

[@AHVENAN]

That parking disc is completely standard allover Europe, we also have automatic versions that you put in your windshield and then it uses sensors to detect when you park and automatically displays the arrival time, I see no problem at all with that, BUT, I do agree that if you have to park in such a spot because you either live or work there, you should be able to have a card allowing you to park longer

[@andreasfischer9158]

Just a note: Even the font and the tint of the blue colour that have to be used are specified in Germany. No modifications are allowed either. I learned that when I used a Swedish parking disc with the municipal coat of arms of the municipality in which I live on it. This is perfectly legal in Sweden. Not so in Germany.

[@LoFiAxolotl]

Must've met some real asshole who told you that... i mean technically that's right but 999/1000 "Ordnungsamt" would not give a S*%t

[@SPEEDY4004]

never needed to use a park disc very often but all we learned was to set it to the next 30 min interval - like you arive at 10:15 so you set it to 10:30 though makes me wonder than - if it is parking with disk from 09:00 onwards does taht mean you can park there from 8:30 on with the disc set to 9:00 even when it is technically half an hour to early mfg Olli

[@fake6294]

The sign only applies FROM 9am, so all the time before that does not count in this case, because the sign gives a time window. Outside this time window you can park as usual.

[@Lancelot2000Lps]

It is for residents free the parking but the people are not living their they are at work their and most company's have own parking in Germany. When your company is at around 20 people you must have parking or must pay a fine each year in Germany. And the parking laws are different in each City but most are the same more or less.

[@kohlenstoffeinheit5298]

Setting the parking disc wrong on purpose??? You criminal mind!!! 😱🤣

[@porky1118]

8:35 No, if you always set the timer to the next half hour. So between 8:30 and 9:00, you always set it to 9:00. And between 9:00 and 9:30 you always set it to 9:30. So setting it half an hour further, it's not an issue.

[@fabianwhs9891]

As far as I understood it From 9am to 7pm, it's a residental parking area So you can only arrive at 9am to the area, so putting the arrival time to the time you park your car at 8am is against the law In this case, you can park as long as you want if it's not residental, so technicaly you only spent the allowed 3 hours in the residental parking area, not 4 Germany. We love/hate burocracy

[@wolf310ii]

You understood it wrong, it a residental parking area 24/7, only from 9am to 7pm you need a parking disc, if you dont have a residental parking card. From 7pm to 9am you can park there without a parking disc.

[@TheWeissrond]

I live in such an area but recently it was changed to meters because of people doing the disc trick. It's way better now (as residents we can apply for a card that lets you park for free in your area)

[@DragonDrop4758]

3sat is a satire show. This IS a local rule in wherever that is. 3Sat called it out because this rule is so obviously stupid. They are known for this content and I enjoy watching it. xD

[@borstenpinsel]

You mean "Extra3" is a satire show (on the TV channel NDR). Nothing to do with the TV channel 3sat 😅

[@hellemarc4767]

They have to move the cars every 3 hours, they're not even allowed to simply change the time on the parking disk. But this is crazy. Recently in France, a Tesla locked itself with a baby still inside. I wouldn't trust these cars.

[@Leartin]

"In no way breaks the spirit of the law" Of course it does. The idea is that non-residents can't park there for extended periods, such that the spots are available for residents. The whole "shift every 3 hours" is already a workaround - it's not that anybody wants you to do it. But since it follows the letter of the law, it can't be punished. What can be punished is setting a wrong time. If you arrive at 8, there is no zone yet, so you didn't arrive at the zone - you can't arrive earlier than 9. Usually, nobody would care if you set your arrival time too short. Eg by setting it to the exact arrival time rather than the next half hour mark, as would be legally required in Germany. But those people tried to outsmart the spirit of a law by trying to follow it to the letter, and were punished for not actually following to the letter in the attempt. A bit like getting Capone for tax fraud. Does excluding workers make sense in the first place? Yes, of course! There wouldn't be residential parking if it wasn't a residential area. Sucks for the workers, but they have no more right to park there than anyone visiting a relative, blame the employer for starting a business without providing spots. The only absurd thing is the audacity to complain when your sneaky manouver backfired.

[@sirlees2986]

it is super common here, and yes, you can round up to the next full 30 min from the time you arrive.

[@paperbaface8130]

German here: sry but its simple logic Its only allowed to park for not residents between monday- staurday from 9-19o clock => everyone that is there before with a parking disk (pll without resident pass) parks illegal. => if you come erlier and have luck that you get controlled afte 9 o´clock its ok if you have 9 on parking disk as arraivel time => if you set (in your own stupid mode) the disk on 8 you say self that you have ignoren the 9-19 rule => its like to go to cops after stael a candy bar just to say you donw catch me but I steal an candy bar. sorry for my terrible english but i hope you get it.

[@petebeatminister]

Well, the disk is still better then having to pay for parking. Here you have to buy a ticket every 2 hour to park. The resident pass thing is another scam they do. The town sells lots of such passes for 200 bucks/year - but that doesn't reserve a space for you.

[@steemlenn8797]

200? That is a lot more than is usual. Still a lot less than it should be, but where it is?

[@kide81]

Parking in city centers is like that everywhere. It’s either very expensive or downright impossible. They should just use public transport to get to work. You could never park like that on the downtown street in my homecity. Maximum paid street parking is 1-4 hours and underground parking for a whole workday is about 40€/day or 350€/month. Those parking discs are used here mainly in suburbs.

[@65Tedybear]

Usually residential parking means that only residents with a licence are allowed to park there. Since a lot of residents use their car at daytime to get to work, their places are nor needed. Instead of keeping those places empty, other people are allowed to park there too, but only for 3 hours so that there will be a certain fluctuation over the day, instead of all spaced filled within an hour and blocked for the whole day. 3 people changing spaces among them is not was was meant to happen and I'm not sure such shenannigans are actual legal. That 'ring around the rosy ' is in fact just using a loophole to circumvent the rules. 4:14 parking is allowed from 9 o'clock onward. Setting the parkscheibe on 8 o'clock confirms that you parked illegally for 1 hour before parking is allowed!

[@cg909]

"parking is allowed from 9 o'clock onward" I understand the signage at 3:44 differently: The restriction is that you can only park for at most 3 hours between 9am and 7pm ( and residents with a parking permit are excluded). That means between 7pm and 9am there's no restriction and anyone can park there between those times.

[@Silizium_]

When you arrive, you always have to set the parking disc to the next half hour, so if you arrive at 9 o'clock, then to 9 o'clock, if a minute later then to 9:30 ans if you arrive at 8:55 or something than to 9:00

[@Leseratte]

*Next* half hour; so if you arrive at 9:00 on the dot you have to set it to 9:30 already.

[@Mikepet]

The bureaucracy in Germany is the biggest nightmare anyone can have. We make our lifes worse ourselfs with this ridicolous "laws". Our Economy suffers, our lifestyle suffers, our work suffers, our inovations suffer because of bureaucracy. This is one big reason Germany gets more and more behind as an economic powerhouse. As you said, the government is poking at us residents and are actively to make our lives more miserable. You explained in America your parking time starts when the patrol sees your car for the first time .... so how do you calculate it when you have to move. In Germany you know exactly when your time runs out.

[@MusikCassette]

"The bureaucracy in Germany is the biggest nightmare anyone can have." true but this is not an example of that.

[@gregorygant4242]

@@MusikCassette No it isn't I see it as being fair rules for everyone even those of lower or higher class . Bureaucracy is even more rampant in other countries in Europe with smaller economies for simple , normal citizens like in Belgium, Netherlands , Italy , Greece, etc . So it's not bureaucracy thing just a German fair rules for all thing no matter who you are !

[@MusikCassette]

@@gregorygant4242 y do you adress me when what you are saying has nothing to do with what i said?

[@Enkrod]

They're gaming the system, so the system games back.

[@srkares]

that was not the issue here. they received the tickets for allegedly setting the incorrect arrival time. if they knew that was a rule - one which apparently isnt written down anywhere - their "gaming the system" would still be completely fine.

[@fake6294]

There are digital parking discs available too. You place it inside your windshield, and it shows the time when the car has been moved the last time. Always, even if you do not even need it. Could be tricky if you don't want people to know how long you have been to a specific place... You know what I mean. 😉

[@neilfazackerley7758]

We all have the disks in our cars. You have to put the time of arrival. It is quite a good system.

[@Mokrator]

it's OK normally, the other option is add a machine to buy parking tickets. There is just a rule you need to leave the lot within the time limit. It's not allowed to reset the disc. Discs with a motor to change the time have been seen, certainly those are not allowed too. it's common and free, many cities opt for expensive parking tickets, and those often have a time limit, too. In city centres it is most likely more expensive than a Parkhaus (you know haus is fully german?)

[@EvilGrin]

Your pronounciation of Osnabrück was very close, nicely done! Self-adusting parking disks are not allowed by law, and getting caught using one can get you into a lot of trouble actually. (Digital is okay, but it may not change the arrival time by itself) Also, this is not "german" government, this is local government, they can set the rules for parking themselves withing the limits of the law. (equal to NY having tighter traffic laws then other US cities). The rules are still silly and don't acomplish what they were meant to (giving more parking spaces to residents), but that's just the normal burocratic insanity.

[@ronaldderooij1774]

It is quite simple, at 9 am, the obligation to use the parking disc comes into force. Before that, the parking disc is irrelevant. I do find it odd that a parking disc set to 8 am is relevant enough to fine. But whatever, the fine was only 10 Euro. The design of the parking disc is uniform in the whole of the EU.

[@Geverae]

She put it to 20:00 or 8pm. Because when 9am the time for setting the disc starts the earliest time can be 9am. Everyone should know that. 🤷‍♂️

[@Solidbiker7]

I think we have this Parkingdisc, because the plates ar registered on a person and you have the possibility to change the plates on your car's.

[@roodimentaer6339]

On many parking spots of shops, they register the licence plate via camera. So you don't need the disk anymore

[@mickypescatore9656]

It`s an easy way for the city government to get money! (Irritating people)! 😵‍💫 I try to explain what`s going on there (at last for myself!!"). The parking rule (on the sign) says: parking with parking plate is alouwed from 9 to 19 o`clock. So a time before 9 doesn`t exist in this case. (Maybe the resident is still parking there at 8:45 or so). Just 9 o`clock counts if you want to park your car there. What I know is that you can round up the arrival time to the nearest half hour! The city's inspectors apparently also look closely to see whether the car has ever been driven away (based on a chalk mark or something). The idea is that once the parking time is up, residents are given a chance to use “their” parking space. So just coming back and changing the parking disc is not enough. Some cities would like to avoid traffic in the city anyway! Well, this all is annoying, but that's how it is here! 😝

[@LoFiAxolotl]

The sign clearly says, parking allowed from 9am to 7pm with parking disk... not sure why anyone would be outraged if they parked there before that and get fined.... and if they can't find the regulation... might want to take another look at the big blue sign where it literally says the time on it.... the only one who should be pissed is someone living there who's parking spot was taken before 9 am while they were bringing their kids to school or did whatever

[@eaglevision993]

There are parking discs with a little step motor and battery inside which always "adjusts" the time.....not legal though

[@theheinzification]

I do NOT believe for one second, that they actually park their cars anew every 3 hours. For once, they most likely wouldn't park in an ideal position as the one shown in the video most of the time, but somewhere random nearby. In any instance, it's a save bet, that they carefully look around for a parking sheriff and, in the absence of one, just "correct" the time of arrival. I have done it often at my place of work and so did my collogues. Btw. parking disks getting out of fashion as in more and more areas parking isn't free anymore. Edit: Even police officers might tell you to simply forward the time of arrival as needed as once happened to me, when I asked a police officer to withdraw the ticket, because I went over the (1 1/2 hours in that case) allowed parking time according to my parking disk.

[@spyki13359]

We've had to pay for parking since last year. Residents, like me, can park for free. But teachers at the school in the street can't. They have to pay.

[@zoefezius6615]

The legal cat and mouse play. Local government and residents want residential parking, but regional law says - no. So local government makes 3 h parking. Employees still wanna park there and use the lawful law breaking practice to swap parking spots. Residents and local government get pissed and search for a legal way to strike back. And find a common law for not solving the problem but show off their frustration 😄

[@Grovion]

In america you can live withouth parcing discs since you have waaaaaaay more parking spots than you ever need.. but not in european cities. Here it's quite the opposite.

[@myeramimclerie7869]

residential parking from 9am-7pm, makes total sense! Couse every resident is most likely at home during working hours. 😅

[@wolf310ii]

Yes it makes sense, so the resident can find a free spot when they come home from work, because no non resident is allowed to park there indefinitly

[@berndhoffmann7703]

6:14 not teh German Govt, it is federalism, it is actually the major of Osnabrück, who decides that

[@franconianbike]

Well, that's fraud and frau is a criminal offense. I would simply file a complaint at the police or the public prosecutor. @08:55 - it's not a show, it's a business model for the communities and cities. And they get forced to do so, because otherwise their income (for example by tax) would be insufficient.

[@thomasblueschke6938]

According to the you have to make the parking spot available, means you have to leave the spot and come back or take another down the road. Normaly they mark the positon of the valves on the wheel, so they see if you still standing there or only roll a few meters/feet in the parking spot behind you. So they don't have to act dubious like in this case.

[@fake6294]

Is I'd because the parking plate does not show if you arrived at 8am or I'm (20:00). So in theory she could be standing there 13 hours 1 minute, and would be over the limit of 3 hours.

[@AskanHelstroem]

1:50 that's what the international media is asking, when they see the k.haos of the german train system. They think the delays r due to the EM. (more people, etc.) But that's just the normal state of decay of our railway system xD

[@tonchrysoprase8654]

The only thing stupid here is the premise of the clip. Residential parking is a thing elsewhere, too. Here in Washington DC it’s pretty much implemented in all residential areas. I used to live next to American University who have their own people go around fining students and employees who park in surrounding neighborhoods at all, even for the 2 hours allowed by law. The woman in the clip just thinks she’s entitled to circumvent the rules and screw over residents by moving her car.

[@marcw.4870]

It's the largest social experiment under the sun.

[@jurgenbaumann67]

9:40 - If the tesla can put the new arrival time on the parking disk, it´s okay.

[@lexmole]

Well, technically the administration was right. One does not have to set the "real arrival time" but the "legally required arrival time". E.g., if one arrives at 09.01, one must not put the disc on 9.00 but rather on 09.30. If the requirement of parking discs begins at 10.00, one must set the disc to 10.00 ... I have learnt that in driving school as well. 08:00 this would legally not be possible here due to data protection law. Bless Germany!

[@fliplefrog8843]

The more tickets you write, the more money 😂 So u have to do some creative ticket writing ;D

[@sayrocks11]

Yes really annoying parking in the city or buy a park ticket the same

[@simanova837]

when you arrive at 9am you just wait 1 minute to be able to set it legal to 9:30am

[@DieGurke_]

It "helps" the residence because you can only take the parking spot for 3 hours. But with this loop hole its useless

[@exkaliburausdemmisthaufen]

There are also parking disks with clocks in them, so they constantly adjust the time time of arrival.

[@exkaliburausdemmisthaufen]

Politessen hassen diesen trick

[@MusikCassette]

well that elevates what otherwise would be a parking violation to fraud.

[@borstenpinsel]

​@@MusikCassette not really. You're supposed to stop the clock when parking and the new and digital ones detect if the car is moving and set the clock according to the rules. And don't do that when the car is parked. No violation😅

[@DerNivel]

Hey Ryan. You used to sometimes show mails from viewers that sent in watch suggestions. Are you still doing this? Where can I send something to?

[@BennoWitter]

It's not cheating, if you move it to the next half hour if you arrive a second past. It's actually the rule to do that.

[@w.es.3974]

Here in Hilden you are allowed to park your EV for four hours free only with the parking disk. Other stinking cars have to pay a lot.

[@paulivideo4520]

This should not hold up in court: nulla poena sine lege.

[@steemlenn8797]

What I find ridiculous is that in the US there are 8-10 parking spaces per car. With the result that the typical "development" is just an asphalt wasteland that doesn't even bring in profit for thje town that build the infrastructure around the shops, which would certainly approve if they could decide how many parkign spots their customers need. Socialism for car makers.