Charlie Bronson isnt a gangster, he's just Britain's most notorious inmate.
@spruce3817 ай бұрын
Exactly.
@craiggoldfish48137 ай бұрын
when i was in HMP Exeter , I wrote to Charles Bronson & got a reply which had a little doodle in the corner of him choking a screw . Some c*nt nicked it off me tho .....
@Ingens_Scherz7 ай бұрын
...and nutter.
@quinnpaddock42417 ай бұрын
Definitely notorious......
@kbfried95747 ай бұрын
He went prison for robbing a shop with a shotgun?
@Tony-yp7ok7 ай бұрын
Tom Hardy plays both Kray twins in the film Legend, brilliant performance - should have won an Oscar for it.
@dicksplatts0077 ай бұрын
And Bronson, he's played some bloody good characters that lad
@da90sReAlvloc7 ай бұрын
Should have won a Oscar. Get a grip
@TomSmith-jp1es7 ай бұрын
@@da90sReAlvloc get a grip on what?
@grabtharshammer7 ай бұрын
Actually he should have won two😁 Seriously if you want an actor to portray a gangster then how can you do any better than Hardy ... or Cillian Murphy
@Tony-yp7ok7 ай бұрын
@@da90sReAlvloc ok, calm down mate 🤣
@Nobby767 ай бұрын
Lenny Mclean WAS in lock stock.. They wanted to have an "Enforcer" character in the movie, so hired someone who had actually been an enforcer in real life.. The ice cream wars, was a crazy time.. One of my best mates grew up in scotland and he said that the ice cream vans would pull up like normal, kids would go and buy an ice cream or ice lolly, then an adult would go up, buy and ice cream, but it had an 8ball of heroine stuffed into the bottom of the cone. Last time Charles bronson went back to prison, as stated it was for conspiracy to rob, which translates to, he was planning to rob someone, not he actually robbed someone. Which means he should have gone away for a fairly short amount of time, but because of his actions while in jail, his sentence just kept getting bigger and bigger. It included things like taking prison guards hostage, for no real reason other than boredom, he would toy with them for a few hours, scaring the daylights out of them, then just yell out "Ok ive had enough, you can come and get him" and let the guard go free. He spends most of his time in solitary confinement, mainly for everyone elses safety, he is rarely ever allowed to mix with other people (guards or prisoners) The kray twins we commonly known as "The gentlemen of murderers" If you wansn't involved, in that life, you basically had nothing to worry about, they would be nice as you like, shake your hand and be friendly with you. If you crossed them, you was basically a dead man walking. One of my aunties had a cafe in london, which the krays would visit all the time. They loved her like family, if anyone bothered her or acted unruly i nthe cafe they would take care of it for her (never in the cafe) She had a back room which the krays could use for holding business meetings, on the understanding it was ONLY for meetings. They was not allowed to do anything to people back there and they 100% respected that rule. If they was holding a meeting and something kicked off, they would simply get up, take the person outside and deal with it there. On her birthday and around christmas time, they would bring her bottles of champagne or other gifts to say thank you for allowing them to use the back room and for cooking them breakfasts.
@bigfrankfraser13917 ай бұрын
wasnt charlies conspiracy to rob an accusation by his ex wifes new husband, i remember when i read about it, it always felt like it was made up just to spite him and ruin his life
@boofuu31457 ай бұрын
and i always thought one of the ice cream vans in my youth was hardcore because they sold duty free bacca in an evening ha ha ha
@Jamie_Mackenzie7 ай бұрын
He was also in the original krays movie
@andrewwalmsley31297 ай бұрын
The Krays are complicated. While being extremely vicious, they kept violence to members of the criminal community (mostly), and were famous for making the part of London they controlled safe for normal citizens. An apocryphal story is that a mugger attacked an old lady and was caught by the Krays who nailed him to a door saying "that could've been my mum". Take it with a pinch of salt, but a lot of normal people thought they did a service keeping common crime and violence in check.
@yurihuffles7 ай бұрын
Yep. It's also important to remember that in the early days they also focused a lot of their crime on rich people that where taking advantage of the poor and often paid for things the poorer working class needed - this led to them having a bit of a Robin Hood image in the early days. This did change in their later years when a lot of their business was within richer circiles, but it did lead to there being a lot of the older generation around London who at least would have tales of "they Krays can't have been that bad. They did 'x' for my mom, so clearly they where good people at heart!"
@glennaustin377 ай бұрын
Went on a fascinating Krays tour in Whitechapel. Definitely complicated, to the point of local hero worship. Were even involved in the Cable Street battles with British Fascists pre WWII helping to protect the local Jewish community.
@jonharvey62777 ай бұрын
I grew up in an area where a lot of cockneys moved to, as a child I thought the krays ran the east ends biggest crèche because all my friends parents would tell stories of how they were baby-sat by the krays
@willrichardson18097 ай бұрын
sorry but they are not normal people are they.
@somniumisdreaming3 ай бұрын
Take it with a boulder of salt.
@carolineskipper69767 ай бұрын
'GBH' is 'Grievous Bodily Harm' . It's the most serious charge for assault short of 'attempted murder'. The Glasgow Ice Cream Wars were a very serious thing, which peaked in 1984, with the murder of 6 people on one day.
@KathyBarnett-mv5vg7 ай бұрын
And ABH is Actual Bodily Harm which is lower than GBH.
@garymcatear8227 ай бұрын
6 people of the same family.
@jamesdignanmusic27657 ай бұрын
As I said to another reactor who saw this same video recently, many years ago, my dad ran a small printing company in north London. One day, a rough-looking guy came in and asked for a rush job. When the guy came to pick it up, he looked at the printing and said "Very nice. Reggie will be pleased with this." Dad didn't sleep for a week worrying about what would have happened if Reggie hadn't been pleased!
@AD2704797 ай бұрын
'Wan Baw' McGraw in Glasgow means 'One Ball' McGraw btw. He was rumoured to have had lost one of his nuts, so that's what anybody who didn't respect him, referred to him as.
@Cunning.Stunt77 ай бұрын
A Chinese man with one ball is called, Wot Wen Wong 🫣 A Russian with 3 is called, Ivor Nika Bollokovem 🥁
@deano25067 ай бұрын
In my humble opinion, the film Bronson starring Tom Hardy isn't a great film, but Hardy's performance is fantastic and compelling enough to keep me watching until the end. Of course, these things are totally subjective, and I'm sure plenty of people rate it highly.
@sarablack25477 ай бұрын
the tom hardy kray film came out in 2015. there was a krays film out in 1990 where gary and martin kemp from the 80's band spandau ballet(new romantic,pop) played the krays.gary then played whitney houston's character rachel's manager in the bodyguard and martin was in soap opera eastenders.
@kimbirch12027 ай бұрын
Don't be fooled by Beatlemania. Liverpool like all big cities had their fair share of gangsters.
@BreezyE-d3n7 ай бұрын
Hey man, just wanted to say, you have a real nice voice. I went to school with Tom Hardy. I know. No one believes me but there it is. Our mothers met in the same hospital giving birth at the same time. To say he's become more successful than me lol... would just be a silly thing to say. But I remember the last time I met him in the local pub, I just go the feeling, there's noting this guy can't do. All I want to say is, it couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. I mean, he's sound as a pound. Rory Kinnear on the other hand, who went to the same school (Tower House, East Sheen) and plays Bill Tanner in the James Bond films, well if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all. Keep up the good work! xx
@Cunning.Stunt77 ай бұрын
Ahhhh love a good bit of gossip! Yeah I know some assoles that are up their own arse too... I sometimes wish they were in that god awful celebrity world... only because they would get a reality check... The genuine ones in that career, I really worry for though. What an insane and stressful life they must deal with, right?
@WBGT0077 ай бұрын
Scousers are anything but friendly 🤣🤣
@alejandrayalanbowman3677 ай бұрын
The Kray twins were victims of their own publicity. They rarely harmed members of the general public - their victims were other criminals and they were mostly well liked by the people who lived near them because they cared and took care of non-criminals. I met many of those in the Kray's favourite pub.
@SykoticBanana7 ай бұрын
"Rarely harmed" ... oh that's OK then
@Ronnie-nh1wl7 ай бұрын
@@SykoticBanana it's not actually true either, they took money off regular people who if they didn't pay the punishment would be severe. They obviously had to carry that out if anyone put up resistance and made an example of them
@Tom-uv7ry4 ай бұрын
@@Ronnie-nh1wlwell said they were beasts both of them into boys young boys
@themoderntemplar15677 ай бұрын
I think you missed a few details, Charlie Kray was the twins Ronnie & Reggie's older brother and Mad Frankie Frazer was the Richardson's gangs torturer so it was probably Frankie who nailed the poor guy to the floor.
@jedisparktheboy94237 ай бұрын
“Liverpudlians are supposed to be friendly”. 😂
@enkiofsumer83747 ай бұрын
The 'Gunn' family were notorious in Nottingham. I worked with some of the family. Believe it or not they were actually very friendly and would do anything for you. As with most British 'gangsters' they never really bothered the general public, just other 'gangsters' who crossed them.
@DraftySatyr7 ай бұрын
GBH stands for Grievous Bodily Harm and is a serious criminal offense. It occurs when someone intentionally or recklessly inflicts serious bodily harm on another person. Here are some common examples of GBH: - Causing visual disfigurement: this includes injuries like a broken leg, fractured skull, or even a psychiatric injury that is visibly apparent. - Striking someone with a blunt object, such as a baseball bat. - Attacking someone with a sharp object, like a knife. - Deliberately running over someone with a vehicle. - Acid/alkaline attacks (this is very topical in UK right now). The difference between GBH and ABH (Actual Bodily Harm) lies in the severity of the injuries
@bobsteele95817 ай бұрын
Interestingly the Kray twins were the last prisoners ever to be held in the Tower of London, where they were incarcerated for a few days in 1952 after failing to report for national service.
@SteveHulford-ce3tu7 ай бұрын
You need to check out 'The Essex Boys'. There are more movies and documentaries about them than any other modern criminals.
@daylebluegrassprodigyhurn79047 ай бұрын
They should have mentioned the range rover murders, there's a movie called (Rise of the foot soldiers) very good film, based on true story and you can watch real footage on documentaries
@TheDemonGamerOfFleetStreet7 ай бұрын
He already had brain cancer our Lenny boy in those pics of Lock Stock but boy did his voice still have its bellow and its depth, especially when he shouts "quick". I shit my pants just watching it lol.
@colin.m6667 ай бұрын
The movie Legend with Tom Hardy playing both Kray Twins is worth a watch. He's brilliant in it 👍🏻
@Jinty927 ай бұрын
The Glasgow Ice Cream Wars was a crazy time and gave birth to The Glasgow Smile. Gangsters would slice their enemies face from cheekbone to cheekbone. This left a scar on each side of the face which looked like a Scary Clown Smiley Face from a Horror Movie. The scars look awful. GBH is Grievous Bodily Harm and ABH is Actual Bodily Harm.
@magpiesneedle25757 ай бұрын
Still seeing a few of this old scars around. Seemed there was a time that at least someone got ‘glassed’ in a pub every weekend (glassed -hold neck of bottle, smash end, jaggy face, reverse order with a pint glass). Ah, them were the days…
@TelztarWorship7 ай бұрын
I can remember when I first met Mad Frank. He visited my Uncle and Great Aunt often. He was always super polite and gave me and my brother a ten pound note(felt like a lot of money at the time) to buy some sweets.
@somniumisdreaming3 ай бұрын
When was this
@Don_Kikkon7 ай бұрын
GBH - Grievous bodily harm is defined as including bodily injury which is likely to endanger the health or life of a person, or to cause or be likely to cause permanent injury to the person.
@Don_Kikkon7 ай бұрын
'Brown bread' - East End rhyming slang for dead!
@quinnpaddock42417 ай бұрын
The blind beggar pub still going strong and the infamous bullet hole still there ..... in Whitechapel
@annamae8597 ай бұрын
Tom Hardy played both the Kray twins in Legend. It was good, but IMHO, I think the Kemp brothers did a better job in The Krays, it was kess 'Hollywood' and more down to earth gritty eastend. Also a somewhat unexpected performance from the the clean cut pretty boy brothers from Spandau Ballet.
@anthonynuttall96917 ай бұрын
9:03 literally pulled the same face 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@feewatt7 ай бұрын
Tom Hardy played the part of both brothers in the movie. Great acting.
@patjackson86497 ай бұрын
Fun fact: Reggie Kray sent Damon Albarn a dozen red roses after he further immortalized Ronnie Kray in Blur’s ‘Charmless Man’
@davidmellish32957 ай бұрын
Forgot Britain's richest criminal, Curtis Warren
@enkiofsumer83747 ай бұрын
Watch the film 'Bronson'
@Tom-uv7ry4 ай бұрын
Why its shite
@jpmtlhead397 ай бұрын
GBH: Grievous Bodily Harm. According to British law GBH is the Most severe offence or form of battery( assault).
@TheTechnique737 ай бұрын
Lenny McLean, not quite or nearly anything like Danny Trejo but as someone who gave up one life for acting, they're the same
@craiggoldfish48137 ай бұрын
ref : Freddie Foreman a.k.a. Brown Bread Fred ( For any Non - Brits ) ; ' Brown Bread ' is Cockney / Gangster [ rhyming ] slang for ' Dead '
@lynnejamieson20637 ай бұрын
Tam is the Scottish version of Tom.
@demoneIephant7 ай бұрын
The film Legend about the Kray Twins is actually so good, Tom Hardy plays both of them, it's great
@Tom-uv7ry4 ай бұрын
Its rubbish😂
@davegoodwin19507 ай бұрын
He makes good dough with his art, Bronson
@rossshepherd98367 ай бұрын
If you've not seen Legend, the film about the Krays starring Tom Hardy, please see that you do.
@WelshAmethystGirl0877 ай бұрын
You have to think the Richardson brothers had their enforcer who did their torture for them and that was mad Frankie who was at the 4 slot so really it's mad Frankie who's number 2 lol
@MrPagan7777 ай бұрын
GBH = Grevious Bodily Harm (next one up from assault, or ABH = Actual Bodily Harm) Fred Foreman's son Jamie is very big in British films these days.
@PaulDee-k4p7 ай бұрын
Charles Bronson was a a hollywood hardman who was in real life a war hero and real hardman. I think for this reason our well known prison hardman changed his name to Bronson. Lookup Bronson to see the films he has been in.
@MarkFinnegan-h8k7 ай бұрын
'Gobbling Behind Hedges' ☹️
@imperialdebauchery59886 ай бұрын
Freddie Foreman is my grandmother's cousin. It's through him that she met my grandfather, who was working as a bouncer and enforcer for the Krays. Never actually met Freddie, but did run into Reggie Kray once. He was in hospital for cancer treatment at the same time as my mother. Shared a smoke and a 10 minute chat with him, all while he was chained up to prison warden.
@jedisparktheboy94237 ай бұрын
Is any of this any crazier than the average “Florida man” story?
@dface64477 ай бұрын
Tom Hardy goes from strength to strength as an actor 👍 and he does play the BAD GUY/GUY'S role extremely well,Bronson and Legend are both very good films but i 🤔 his role as a BAD GUY in th film LAWLESS 2012 was one of his finest imho,a definite watch.
@dorothysimpson28047 ай бұрын
George Raft was born in Hells Kitchen, he was brought up amongst the gangsters.
@bookah87877 ай бұрын
One of my dogs is named after the guvnor Lenny McLean absolute monster of a man rest in power bigman
@froggy80307 ай бұрын
How about doing a video on the UK's notorious female gangsters or gang families
@vitallink48307 ай бұрын
The person who made that list put 2 people who arent gansters. Bronson and McLean. In fact we use villain not gangster And how could they miss off Kenny Noye. Curtis Warren and a few other high profile villans.
@purdie78957 ай бұрын
You should watch the legend with Tom hardy he plays both of the twin’s absolutely brilliant
@jonbuk27 ай бұрын
Have a Look for Charles Bronsons art. he is indeed an artist.
@lesleycarney88687 ай бұрын
Wan Baw lollllllllllll never heard that before , too funny
@brynevans18257 ай бұрын
I'd have put the fewtrels at number one Eddie was a legend and he batted the krey twins 3 times
@nozzlepie7 ай бұрын
Pete and Baz are the first two people who now come to mind first when talking about British gangsters. Best 70 year old rappers. Sindhu Sesh goes hard.
@TomSmith-jp1es7 ай бұрын
they aren't gangsters though, they are cosplaying as gangsters, which is fine but obviously not the same.
@davegoodwin19507 ай бұрын
Liverpool is ruthless pal
@EarthlyEden17 ай бұрын
Just in case you are wondering wan-baw means one ball in scotland, prob has a testical missing. 😅
@johnchrysostomou94177 ай бұрын
George Raft was a gangster before an actor .
@BassistInATutu7 ай бұрын
Dude there are plenty of friendly crooks around! lol.
@waynepunkdude7 ай бұрын
You're thinking of Tim Commerford bass player from Rage Against the Machine
@TomSmith-jp1es7 ай бұрын
The guy at 8:55 who you say has a terrifying face looks like Bill Hader doing a character
@MJMoonwalker3327 ай бұрын
I know him from Waterloo road In the Earlier series character name Lewis Seddon
@johnadams22867 ай бұрын
Hes now serving a lengthy sentence as well i believe for breaking into a home and threatening a family with a machete
@thatguy43117 ай бұрын
The krays only really did horrible things to other gangsters. They took care of their community, which is why their community took care of them. I’m not saying they were nice guys, they clearly weren’t. But they were smart and they knew how to make people respect them.
@middi67 ай бұрын
The Krays might have been ruthless but they didn't Tolerate crimes against women.
@naomihobbit27587 ай бұрын
One of the reasons some of these gangsters were able to walk about and do their business in the open as you say is because they put money into the area they lived looking after those they saw needing help! Not taking away they were gangsters but they were/are people too most of them grew up early post war when the UK was completely broke so when these gangsters would pay a families grocery bills or give the local kids sweets etc that's how you get a community that will defend them. It's a lot different nowadays as guns are used a lot more than when most of these gangsters were doing their business so they used other methods as you've seen sick and twisted methods but that's how you breed fear into others especially other gangsters showing them how far they would go to keep/defend or take others money etc etc. Charles Bronson/Salvador is actually an ARTIST and his art sells very well and I don't think he set up that foundation just as a ploy for parole. Watch the documentary about him and watch Bronson the film as tom hardy plays him amazingly well!
@HumblePupp7 ай бұрын
guy ritchie uses alot of real gangsters in his movies
@mikryan65677 ай бұрын
Bronson well worth a watch
@TheEnigma647 ай бұрын
No mention of Kenny Noye?
@Tom-uv7ry4 ай бұрын
Exactly the whole list is twaddle near enough he insists tho on watching nonsense watchmojo content because he's not interested in the subject just views
@GAMING-CELT7 ай бұрын
Yeah he got actual gangster for his movie lol
@kentpont7 ай бұрын
Python did a sketch called the Piranha brothers about the gang scene which features a segment about 'nailing my head to the floor' based on Richardsons/Krays etc. Link added for context not review? kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2rOZ5KViqt5Z5o&ab_channel=BigDog
@jimparis50737 ай бұрын
Bronson isn’t innocent but the length of time he’s served has way overpaid the price, he needs realising in my opinion
@evelynroadmedia94157 ай бұрын
I don't like saying it because it is a bit cliche, but I knew someone who knew Lenny McLean, he is a giant of a man and had a temper to match. I had worked with the son of one of the Richardson (building industry back in my early days), and also did some door work for their security business (around 15 years ago). Charles Bronson/Salvador is not really a gangster, more of someone who is a real handful, especially towards the police and prison staff. The others are more respected within their home towns as mentioned so had not gotten the lime light as much as he Krays and Richardsons.
@Ayns.L14A7 ай бұрын
if you like Tom Hardy check out the movie Legend where he plays both of the Kray twins.
@AquascapingLiverpool7 ай бұрын
Yeah watch mojo haven’t got a clue mate
@tanyacampbell297 ай бұрын
Made up gangsters Tom Hardy has played is Handsome Bob in Guy Ritchies Rock N Rolla, Clarkie in a Layer Cake, he plays a brilliant Jewish Gangster as Alfie Solomon’s in Peaky Blinders, he played both Ronnie & Reggie Kray in Legend, Al Capone in Capone and yes Charles Bronson in Bronson but Charles Bronson isn’t a gangster and never was he committed a crime which was never actually that serious compared to some he is actually Britains most notorious and violent prisoner, more famous for causing riots and fighting guards inside of prison. He has committed more crimes through being violent in prison than he ever did outside but he has spent most of his time in solitary confinement because prison has turned him more insane.
@DAVID502657 ай бұрын
John bindon was the ganster who had a great time with princess Margaret you left him out
@corringhamdepot44347 ай бұрын
"Grievous Bodily Harm"
@dogstar55727 ай бұрын
Branson was never a gangster. He should be freed. He’s done his time. Some real gangsters are in movies.
@paulmilner84527 ай бұрын
Liverpudlian are known for being nice spoken like somebody who never been there yobs everywhere 😂😂
@Mark_Bickerton7 ай бұрын
GBH... next offence down from manslaughter... I think!
@christopherearnshaw63067 ай бұрын
Yes......GBH, Greivous Bodily Harm
@NailahRoberts7 ай бұрын
Check out Pete and Baz
@delithnutkins60177 ай бұрын
Love your voice
@itsdogz27757 ай бұрын
Such a smooting voice
@stewartmackay7 ай бұрын
Some of these guys are thugs, as opposed to gangsters.
@MoodyMarco-vj3oe7 ай бұрын
As with most of these Mojo UK top 10 videos they're complete nonsense and should be renamed "the Top 10 that the mainstream have heard of". Doesn't include at least 5 British crime figures that would be in the top few of this list that I don't think most of the public will have even heard of, even in Britain.
@jennieferris7 ай бұрын
Gbh.... grievous blodaly harm
@zeekmatthews6807 ай бұрын
The thing is gangster the old days to now way different because what act and do different. older one Will not start fight but will end it but never bring it to poeple just over gangs.
@FrancesThompson-e3m7 ай бұрын
They very bad individuals no doubt but unlike today if you weren’t involved in their world you had very little to fear. However today the criminals will attack you if you are an innocent old lady! Of course there was always exceptions but this is generally true!
@Ayns.L14A7 ай бұрын
There some amazing interviews with some old school british gangsters on youtube (ladbible) (19 minutes with) well worth a look I'd love to see your reaction you might need subtitles as their london accent is quite thick.....
@Finchie_977 ай бұрын
Liverpudlians friendly? Not sure where you got that idea from.
@jackie63437 ай бұрын
❤❤❤ love my country 😊
@tazzatamania7 ай бұрын
Would you call Lenny McLean a gangster?
@sophieandwayne7 ай бұрын
The krays took out the trash and essentially did the old bills job! They never attacked innocent and always looked out for families in their area. I know this as my dad and his brother knew them my uncle more so as he was more part of their gang.
@carlthomas52547 ай бұрын
Noonan guy looks like you, really lol
@Sdea19037 ай бұрын
What a shit list. Doesn’t even have Arthur Thompson on it.
@salfordnick53367 ай бұрын
Suprised jimmy the weed isnt on this list considering he ran Manchester for decades and sent the krays packing
@marlee6805 ай бұрын
Gbh. Grevious bodily harm
@denisemeredith24367 ай бұрын
GBH means Grievious Bodily Harm.
@Jinty927 ай бұрын
The Glasgow Ice Cream Wars was a crazy time and gave birth to The Glasgow Smile. Gangsters would slice their enemies face from cheekbone to cheekbone. This left a scar on each side of the face, giving a look of a Horror Movie Clown Smiley Face. The scars look awful. GBH is Grievous Bodily Harm & ABH is Actual Bodily Harm.
@Roedeadeye7 ай бұрын
The Krays were popular around east London because they kept the streets clean and in many ways made east London safer with them then it was without them. You kind of have to take everything you hear about the Krays with a pinch of salt but reportedly they didn't allow things like muggings, low level drug dealing particularly dealing to children and they apparently killed nonces and sex offenders too. They were bad people but they didn't shit where they ate and they took pride in their community, hence the massive turnout for their funerals.
@MrsMillwall7 ай бұрын
Thats codswallop trust me!
@rosshughes79777 ай бұрын
they apparently used to kill nonces and sex offenders but they apparently supplied children to politician's to gain favour with them there's a reason they were known as nonces by the Richardson's
@willrichardson18097 ай бұрын
wow do you seriously belive yourself, the Kray were thugs courting the media, they were nothing special, Manchester turned them away they did not make it out of the station. In Glasgow they would never made it out of their teenage years. In fact any Northern city would have wiped the floor with them. It sickens me tat peoepl make heros out of them, we it sickens me that they are so hood winked by the media.
@Tom-uv7ry4 ай бұрын
Absolute nonsense fan boy 😂 they were well known bad beasts both of them