American Reacts to "UK Gun Laws"

[@englandcalling9721]

The UK does have the right to bare arms, it's called a T shirt.

[@welshpete12]

😁

[@susangamble6038]

😄😄😄

[@bubbleswilson4110]

😂😂😂

[@richarddiver1562]

Ok England Calling, admit it, you’ve been watching Family Guy again! 😄

[@englandcalling9721]

@@richarddiver1562 No. I didn't know the show had used that line.

[@PaoloTrianni]

For someone in the UK that used to shoot at a range and enjoyed the ownership of his rifles, I will say this. Long story short. I eventually was diagnosed with fibromyalgia as some of the treatment is taking pain relief drugs plus antidepressant drugs. These drugs mean I had to give up my firearm licence for the safety of my family, my self and the public. I believe here in the UK the system works.

[@TacticalDimples]

It’s like that with the US too. People who are diagnosed with a mental condition are considered to be in danger of themselves or others so they are not allowed to own firearms. It’s heavily recommended that the person sell or have another family member stow away their firearms for safety.

[@LawfullSpook]

@@TacticalDimples that wouldn't be an option here though the gun license here prohibits anyone other than the licence holder from having acsess to the weapon you would either have to sell the fun to a licensed firearms dealer or hand your weapon into the authorities. I hold a firearms license and I'm from the UK and one of the conditions is that only I have acsess to the weapon if I took it home left it on my table for instance I'd be in violation of my license as my child/wife would be able to gain access.

[@wssayer]

@@TacticalDimples " heavy recommended"!,but not enforced by law?

[@gerrywhelan5761]

@@wssayer Yes, "heavily recommended" caught that as well!

[@miaharkness2765]

@@TacticalDimples recommends? So they could just saY "no, I'm keeping the guns"?

[@rossicourvosi218]

Telling a American they can't have a gun is like telling us we can't have the NHS.

[@dancingclown0006]

This kid don't know American politics God brainwash in the media

[@mittfh]

Interestingly, I once read [Citation needed] that the number of people in the US who own guns is declining, but an increasing proportion of gun owners have multiple guns, with the 7+ cohort rising fastest. If true, I wonder how many of the guns the 7+ cohort have are in active use, since those kept for display may not have the relevant ammunition, or in the case of some period pieces, may either be incapable or firing or too fiddly to use "in anger" (e.g. archaic weapons which use black powder for the motive force rather than modern bullets / shells / shot).

[@prince_yt3406]

That’s why you guys suffer the most shootings

[@dancingclown0006]

American big country shooting doesn't happen every day

[@realdragon]

@@dancingclown0006 No, it happens almost every day

[@Smudge-1993]

Having served for 5 years in the British Army, joining at 16, first time on the range firing the L85A2 and the L86 and the minimi, was incredible. None of us having seen a firearm before to being on the range,was exciting but nerve wracking too. You're buzzing to fire some lead down range and the adrenaline was there. But a few years down the line, you hate firearms because they bring death. I don't think America will ever change their gun laws. They see school shootings,and if they don't change their laws when 6 and7 year olds are gunned down in someplace they should be safe, they won't ever change the gun laws, and that's such a shame for everyone.

[@Smudge-1993]

@tacfoley who said anything about being a bad person? I personally just don't ever want to deal with firearms again. Does that make me a nutjob or a bad person? You Crack on doing what you do, and you let me Crack on with what I do!

[@Dotterelly]

To be fair on Americans, they have a much bigger problem with corporate/rich people interests interfering with passing laws than the UK does. There is still corruption in the UK system but it's nowhere near as bad. Politicians in the US need a substantial amount of money to run election campaigns, and many wealthy industries use that to their advantage. An example unrelated to firearms is taxes - a major reason the tax system isn't nearly so automated in the US is that the industry of companies that help you do your taxes paid politicians to block changes that would make them obsolete. Similarly the NRA and other interested parties in the US buy political support for their own interests.

[@loc4725]

@tacfoley I've seen people come out the arms forces more or less like when they went in. And on the other hand I've seen other people radically changed by the experience, and not necessarily for the better. So in my opinion I don't think either of you are 'nutjobs', just different people with different experiences. It's how life works. 🙂

[@ducdashot1239]

no offence intended by this and all respect to you for your service but i think that your opinion of firearms may stem from the fact that your only interaction with them was in the military. its just my theory but personally i have never served and as much as i would like to i mostlikely never will but i have had experience with firearms in a civilian environment and though i see guns as a tool that can be used to enact great evil thats really all i see them as... a tool. a beautiful masterpiece of engineering that has the capacity to allow its user to do great good or great harm but that is the same with all tools, firearms are just unfortunately in a positions where they have been demonised for so long that most people only see them as a tool for destruction and forget how they can be both a tool for good and a tool for skilful leisure (target and sport shooting)

[@fablewalls]

@tacfoley - I think the sheer availability of guns in the USA is what worries most people. The idea of school kids being gunned down at school is what hits the media but the numbers of kids who die playing with loaded guns in their own home. Pew Research 2017 found that only 50% of household with guns locked those guns from their kids. Anyhow, I'm pro gun but I don't want to be American pro-gun, I'd rather we were Switzerland or Canada pro-gun if we ever did go back to legalised firearm / pistol ownership.

[@slashdisco]

As a Brit, I was worried about this comment section, but needlessly: I'm SO proud to see every single fellow Brit, even those who have ample access to/experience with firearms, united in their view that widespread gun ownership has no place in a civilised and safe society. JPS, you'll find that this is probably the single biggest factor that UK citizens just don't understand about the USA.

[@barryeva9186]

I am an Englishman living near Sandyhook... CT so have seen the damage all the time in USA. WHy do they quote the second amendment but NEVER correct. It seats of being the need for a trained Melisha note the word trained.... not everybody

[@twossle]

Well said lad..!

[@crowbar9566]

@@barryeva9186 its militia

[@blotski]

@@barryeva9186 The second amendment goes 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed'. So yes, it does imply they are talking about people having arms to be used in a well regulated militia. Not to put in their bags to go shopping. It does strike me as ironic that many defenders of the 2nd amendment quote that it's important so people can protect themselves from a tyranical government. One, they couldn't because the government has the entire armed forces, fighter jets and nuclear bombs etc etc. Two, what guarantee is there that the gun owners wouldn't actually be on the same side as that tyranical government? I think there is evidence from the events of the last few years that if the tyranical government was saying the right things politically they'd be out with their guns to put down any opposition to it.

[@ajs41]

If you live on a farm in the USA in the middle of nowhere, it makes sense to own a gun. That doesn't apply to the UK because we're such a small island.

[@stuartrobertson8211]

It would be worth looking into the Dunblane massacre, as this was the catalyst for the very strict handgun guns the UK has

[@marylynne9104]

We had strong gun laws in place long before Dunblane, they were just further strengthened after that tragedy.

[@stuartrobertson8211]

@@marylynne9104 of course, but Dunblane did result in more legislation on handguns in particular

[@marylynne9104]

@@stuartrobertson8211 - agreed.

[@cliffsinclair4900]

Although Dunblane was a horrific event and perpetrated against a school and the children, continuing to be the deadliest mass shooting ever in the UK, the main stimulus for more strict laws in recent times was the Hungerford Massacre of 1987. There one gunman had an array of weapons including 'assault' type weapons, and casually moved around Hungerford shooting people in the most callous and evil way. Hungerford resulted in the Amendment to Firearms Act 1988, which restricted the types available under license. God rest all who were affected. The UK / US argument to me still resides around firearms being restricted to those who could afford them at the time of the 'colonisation' of America. Normal citizens found themselves at odds with the British gentry who were systematically milking this new land through the use of armies, which the now more settled people saw as their own. With products and Taxes being taken, supported through the use of British armies and mercenaries (particularly Germans), it seems to me to be obvious that these 'new Americans' would want to protect themselves and saw the creation of their own militia as a right of their new country. Hence the 2nd Amendment. In the UK of course, the rich maintained the stranglehold on arms (ownership in the upper classes who could also use them as a means of suppression of the 'upstart plebians' as necessary). Licenses overseen by 'people like us' e.g. MPs, the good and the great like mayors, land owners, Chief Constables, etc etc - plus ca change! Visits are often undertaken to potential (or even current) licence holders to check where the weapons are being stored, having said that if one of the UK police saw what was in some Americans houses.....!!! To me the GB situation seems ok, although we need to keep a firm control over it. The use of arms by the police in recent years, although obviously in reaction to terrorist threats, seems to be becoming too normalised, and yet more important issue is the politicians and crazed lunatics and media using language such as 'terrorists' to artificially create a lower tolerance towards the use of ultimate force for nefarious reasons - e.g. Black Lives Matter, Pro life, voting rights, people with ANY divergent viewpoint.

[@marylynne9104]

@@cliffsinclair4900 - all that is so true.

[@KissMyFatAxe]

Our children don't come home from school in body bags. So we're doing something right 👍

[@JarlGrimmToys]

In British schools we have fire drills in case of a fire. I have an American friend who’s 13 year old daughter has to have active shooter drills at her school. In case of a mass school shooting. Where the kids have to react by barricading their classroom door. While actors with actors with replica guns try to get in. Search KZbin for ‘school active shooter drill’ it’s like military or police training.

[@barrystevens2699]

They do. Just with subs sounds. London has a bigger murder rate than New York.

[@milohenry1233]

@@barrystevens2699 how many school shootings have you had in the last 10 years ?

[@JarlGrimmToys]

@@barrystevens2699 London for sure has a horrendous crime rate compared to the rest of the UK. But in 2019 there were 145 murders in London. While in New York in 2019 there was 300 murders. Where did you hear that London has a worse murder rate than New York?

[@JarlGrimmToys]

@@barrystevens2699 I just fact checked and it seems that in February and March of 2018. There were more homicides in London than New York. Apparently in London in February 2018 were was 15 homicides, and 22 in March. While in New York in February 2018 there was 14 homicides, and 21 in March. So there’s 2 months 3 years ago where London’s murder rate was worse than New York.

[@SteveShovlar]

I am 62 years old Brit. Never fired or handled a gun. Never really seen a gun to be honest. And let’s keep it that way. No need for them.

[@tonyorome]

Come on Steve , be honest',I bet you terrorised your school with a gun firing bits of potato

[@loc4725]

@Steve Shovlar In that case why not just ban all potentially dangerous articles and activities unless there's a justifiable need for them? No leisure trips in cars (take the bus!), a complete ban on fast food (eat healthfully!). In fact why not have a form of permanent lockdown? It'll work wonders for the crime statistics! 😏 The point I"m making is that often risk and proportionality are usually missing from firearm discussions. Provided you control _who_ has access then in just the same way that vehicle licencing prevents dangerous drivers you prevent dangerous gun owners. In fact the U.K.'s only school shooting occured _because_ a police chief decided to grant a licence despite the legal requirements being far from met and the applicant deemed a threat to society by his own firearms licencing department.

[@MrMikucki]

but they are so fun to play with what do you mean no need for them?!

[@loc4725]

@@MrMikucki It's a common yet defective argument so I doubt you'll get a reply. Saying that you shouldn't have something because there's a lack of "need", whatever that means as it's never defined, is putting the cart before the horse. In a free society you don't start from a position of restricting everything but from the opposite, allowing everything. It's from that position that you ban or restrict based on the _qualified_ threat & benefit to society. But of course in the U.K. this rarely happens.

[@MrMikucki]

@@loc4725 i rarely see anyone with some intelligence in the comment section, you are 100% correct. Even more so if you're in the US and its a right.

[@dereknewbury163]

I grew up on a farm and my father owned a gun and our major diet was rabbit. Even then the gun frightened me, however and I cannot believe anybody would want to own one. We do have gun deaths in the UK but mostly from guns owned illegally and as a result of gang conflict and thankfully still quite rare. Like most people in the UK (and that does not mean we are right), I find the approach to gun ownership in the US to be puzzling to revolting and the statistics on gun deaths there (going on 40,000 per year all causes) terrifying. Similarly, I am pleased that our police do not routinely carry guns. Again the statistics speak for themselves. In an average month in the US, police shoot more people than our police did in the whole of the 20th century!

[@601salsa]

Absolutely agree. I actually dont believe having a handgun should be an issue for SELF DEFENCE PURPOSES ONLY.... meaning kept either on you with a concealed carry permit or kept locked at home to defend against intruders. Being a do domestic violence survivor I can definitly see how that could have saved me but also see how that could have been bad too had my abuser got hold of it. Whilst hunting is not for me I can appreciate its need to balance over population of wildlife like boars, deer etc but only with highly skilled marksman. Also as a quick humane way of putting animals out of suffering eg car accidents. HOWEVER I can not understand why anyone except a mentally unstable person would need to have a semi automatic rifle or automatic rifle..... they were designed to kill as many as possible without care, ski,l or attention. I love how the UK regulates and monitors is gun licences and permits and I do believe that it has saved many peoples lives because of ts regulation

[@alisonscurr4395]

100% agree.

[@kinkipup]

Wow, I never knew that fact about us police shoot more people in a month

[@jacobw446]

It is not "40,000 a year". It is about 8000 murders.. mostly in poor Democrat ran cities, where drug gangs are killing each other for their turf.

[@tonyrodd6348]

@tacfoley nuclear bombs are inanimate too. U saying we shouldn't be scared of those either??

[@petereastwood1]

Just occurred to me that if I wanted to own a gun, I'd have to Google what to do and where to get one - I simply have no idea where they'd sell them. I'm quite pleased about that.

[@KissMyFatAxe]

I'm afraid that if I googled where to get a gun, I'd end up on some sort of watch list 🤣

[@lynnwalsh7733]

Believe it or not, there is a gun shop in the town near to where I live simply named 'Shooting'. Ironically, right next door is a funeral directors. True story!!

[@likeitout]

Sourcing a firearm is rare. The weapons themselves are in short supply and fortunately, it takes more than a google search. There was even a gang who found a lucrative trade in hiring out reengineered replicas that they’d made operational. Why sell if you can make money lending them out? It was a stupid idea as getting caught was decided by time and not brains. But even if you could find someone to sell or rent a gun; the seller doesn’t know who you are and isn’t necessarily going to trust a stranger walking off the streets. Think of it more like the relationship between a drug smuggling cartel and a major street gang. The average shop lifter isn’t going to know where to find a Colombian dealer to buy 20 kilos of cocaine and he also doesn’t have the money. It would take time, cash and knowledge. The average criminal can’t afford the price so when you do hear of a street mugging or Jewellery shop robbery where a firearm was seen then it’s more than likely to be a replica or a lifelike toy. Most of the major criminals who do have guns, have never had any training and therefore don’t have the skills. Most victims have been shot from a very close range and it never ceases to amuse me to see the classic “big up ya sel in da hood” Glock pose where the weapon is held up high for all to see and canted over on its side without even an attempt at a obtaining an aimed sight picture. All for show but no affect. Other than going abroad on holiday or visiting central london, the average police officer in the U.K. has the same experiences as the average citizen and has more than likely never seen a firearm on the streets in the U.K.. Americans amuse me when they assume that all U.K. cops are firearms trained or carry a concealed weapon in the car. They don’t need to. Then we have the real problem for the would be criminal gun nut. Sourcing the gun is one massive hurdle to overcome. But sourcing the ammunition for it is even harder. Close to impossible in many circumstances.

[@crazytanks2001]

Youll find them ive seen some alot easier to get guns back in the day to me only farmers and police should have the access to guns to farmers not having a too many

[@ianvincent4911]

There is a gunshop in virtually every reasonably sized town in the UK - especially in rural areas.

[@McDonald_Mando]

Yeah we don’t really have any need for guns in most scenarios, also because barely anyone has a gun, there’s not any need for protection as an excuse.

[@liamjermy1170]

Yeah we just have MACHETES 😂😂

[@Mr2BY]

Due to the way the guns must be stored, having a gun for the propose of protection is not a good reason and is more or less illegal due to the fact that it has to be to hand for protection which is illegal.

[@simu31]

@@liamjermy1170 Yeah, I remember that story about a guy in a high window of a hotel opposite a music event killing 60 people with a machete... oh no, it was gun.

[@dWFnZWVr]

@@liamjermy1170 We stick to tradition in the U.K., just like the old days; settling our differences with swords and knives lmao

[@jimmyh6601]

@@dWFnZWVr And our witty repartee😁

[@reallynotpc]

Spent my whole life in the UK NEVER worrying about some nut job with an assault rifle on the street. Have still not figured out what scares Americans into carrying firearms for personal safety.

[@the_dropbear4392]

Nutjobs carrying guns is what scares other Americans into carrying guns which is what the problem is.

[@tacticalmexican1002]

Yeah how about some nut job with a acid bomb?? You guys live in a fantasy world but cant blame ya “ you cannot free fools from chains they revere”

[@daveaglasgow]

@@tacticalmexican1002 acid attacks are not common place, unlike gun crime in the USA. 2019 acid attacks in London numbered 123, in a city with 9 million people. More than half of these attacks in the UK are in London, therefore the other 57 million of us have less than 123 acid attacks in a whole year. Yes London has high crime, but look at the rest of the UK, Scotland has around 5.4 million people, and around 60 murders per year, of which (since 2012) the number of gun deaths is between 1 and 12. As a citizen of Scotland and it's capital I don't have to worry about either of those circumstances happening to me.

[@ianmay2394]

Acid attacks are not common in the UK either so we just don't need guns. Always wondered what part of Assault rifle, is for self defence?

[@reallynotpc]

@@ianmay2394 The answer seems to be in today’s Doonesbury.

[@fabulousaardvark4776]

The US has the constitutional right to bear arms for self defence whilst the UK has the the common law right to not need them in a safe society.

[@ducdashot1239]

in a perfect world that would be enough but as we have seen in the last 10 years in the uk, you can remove firearms but you cant remove crime, it will happen no matter what you do and sadly our laws regarding self-defence are lacklustre at best

[@JB-zs1oq]

As does New Zealand and Australia

[@fionagregory9376]

I agree.

[@MrDeadhead1952]

Actual that isn't what the constituation says the 2nd Amendment says 'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.' No mention of 'self-defence' only that the populous should be armed so they can defend the state. With the implementation of a standing army and an armed police force, that imperative no longer exists thus rendering the amendment no longer applicable.

[@balearicrob]

Admittedly, I'm from the UK, but I'm pretty sure there is no mention of self-defence with regards to arms in the US Constitution. Maybe if you extended 'self' to be the preservation of the country.

[@gurtsmunta1]

As a firearm owner of a few different calibers and a range officer at our club ,the one thing about the British mentality toward guns is that we see them as a leisure activity not unlike a set of golf clubs Not a means for protection and a right.

[@politicalinformer]

OOO OWNING GUNS IS DO COOL. NOT ONLY DO THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO SCARE TJE SHIT OUT OF PEOPLE, IDIOTS CAN ALSO SHOOT UP SCHOOLS WITH OMG HAHAH WHAT FUN YAYYYYYYYYY

[@ducdashot1239]

@@politicalinformer you really showed him, you really proved your point there... its not as if you snarky little tantrum just then could also be applied to... oh i dunno, knives, bats, acids, vehicles, bladed tools such as machetes or saws, crossbows, bows, hammers, screwdrivers, nail guns, acetone, bleach... and not to mention a large list of chemicals that are widely available to the public that when mixed together with basic chemistry knowledge can create both mustard gas and chlorine gas... tell me, which do you think is more scary? a shotgun legally owned by a shotgun class license owner with no shells as shells arent allowed to be stored at home unless extreme circumstances are met... or a guy with a screwdriver that you can buy from any hardware store and a bottle filled with bleach and ammonia that they can then simply shake to mix it up and then poke a hole in the side of it with the screwdriver releasing a large cloud of mustard gas (or even phosgene gas) which at best will cause 2nd degree burns, permanent or partial blindness and severe lung damage... or at worst melt your skin, liquify your lungs and or put you in a coma resulting in death... or they could simply stab you with the screwdriver in the chest, collapsing your lung and causing you to suffocate on your own blood within a minute (seriously, look it up, stab wounds are far more likely to be lethal than gunshot wounds) i dont know about you but a gun doesnt seem very scary considering the alternatives available

[@robotshaveiteasy9459]

Owning guns is nothing like owning golf clubs. Owning a gun doesn't automatically make you a wanker.

[@gurtsmunta1]

@@robotshaveiteasy9459 yeah you got me there😂

[@richardpaquette8429]

@@ducdashot1239 A pencil!

[@bobbralee1019]

I served in the military as an Armourer and have held a firearms certificate for a small bore target rifle in the past. Now I will have left the military I will never fire a weapon again. No place for firearms in a civilian world at peace and I’m really happy about that.

[@dancingclown0006]

Bod Bralee are you American Because I'm disagree with you

[@dancingclown0006]

Good for you all american here love gun here freedom

[@ducdashot1239]

i respect your opinion on the matter but i gotta disagree with you on the statement that there is no place for firearms in civilian life. self defence, sport, hunting and even education. as an armourer im sure you can understand the idea of wanting the ability to have access to firearms when a person is undergoing training or education regarding gunsmithing, defence engineering or even in the armourer engineering sector as knowing how a firearm functions would be critical to understanding how best to design a defence against said firearms. wouldnt you agree?

[@bobbralee1019]

@@ducdashot1239 If there are no fire arms in circulation you don't need a fire arm for defence, Hunting just for fun is a very cruel entertainment killing animals for kicks for me is a very special type of sick, Target shooting is fun but so few do it its loss wouldn't be great, Military and Police do need to be weapons trained However that's it for me.

[@ducdashot1239]

@@bobbralee1019 "if there are no fire arms in circulation you don't need a fire arm for defence" sir i would like to introduce you to knives, machetes and all other stabbing implements...

[@ok-__-]

i have never actually seen any real guns in the U.K., apart from marching soldiers of course, but never an individual

[@crazytanks2001]

I have seen double barrels and lucky enough to them shoot in puck competitions never held a gun unless you count a deactivated sidearm from hundreds of years ago ive seen police carry guns in airport train stations and also just firearms units in general public with my extensive knowledge of police and military

[@cameramao2716]

@@crazytanks2001 yeah ive done clay pigeon shooting but id love to get my section 1 to get into sport shooting.

[@crazytanks2001]

@@cameramao2716 ahh yeah nice not been clay shooting before or as it as a spor

[@arthurspils2565]

Seen a privately owned gun once - visiting my grandpa and he was just coming back from clay pigeon shooting, showed it to me before locking it in a safe.

[@Westcountrynordic]

Its quite refreshing to watch a reactor react to this video who actually listens to what is said and doesn't automatedly start saying its my right to own a gun.

[@vernonstevens3915]

I think this lad is the best of the younger generation regarding reacting to video clips, in fact I would say simply he's 1of the best full stop.🇬🇧 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 ✌ ALL THE BEST FROM THE U.K

[@Westcountrynordic]

@@vernonstevens3915 hmm now you've got me debating the merits of JPS & JT both are good reactors, both are young one 18 and one 19 and both actually listen to what the videos say.

[@THE-THATCH]

Knob

[@richardwoods5873]

My son has a shotgun certificate, his shotguns and ammunition have to be locked up at all times when not in use, in a secure, hidden, cabinet; he cannot even give his key to his wife. This seems entirely sensible.

[@johnleake5657]

Indeed, shorguns and ammunition have to be locked up separately.

[@vqmaxima3677]

No this seems sad

[@jacobcink1365]

What if his wife is home alone and somebody breaks in

[@jonsouth1545]

@@jacobcink1365 get a dog

[@jacobcink1365]

@@jonsouth1545 haha I'm allergic so I guess screw me right

[@polheg1]

I live in the UK and this video surprises me. However, the commentator is correct, we do not have an affinity for firearms as our American cousins do. Same in N.Ireland, where I hail from, as the general population there will have a 'meh' attitude too, even after our recent history. I personally do not see gun ownership as a 'right'. Besides, I think that there are too many folk around who would not be responsible enough to have one and to have a country swamped with them only increases unnecessary mortality rates as we see too often in the US. The only thing I prefer to shoot people with is a camera.

[@polheg1]

@Dave Stennett I have no argument with what you say. For competitive reasons - fine. I used to be an archer. It's the general and open ownership of firearms that the US has, which I am glad we do not have and for which I think there is no support or appetite for here in the UK.

[@flybobbie1449]

Shooting for most Brits has a novelty value, soon wears off. Been a few time clay pigeon but soon got bored. Been on range firing all sorts, interesting, but not hobby for me, but is for some, so be it. American uncle showed me his gun collection, but his daughter said she had never fired any of her fathers guns. She was told at a young age not to touch, so never felt compelled to have a go.

[@lynnejamieson2063]

As Jim Jeffries points out during his piece on guns, when you have really strict gun laws in place, it generally makes buying one illegally really expensive, as they are just harder to come by. That means that for most of the population, getting hold of an illegally obtained weapon isn’t really a financially viable option. Due to the way our gun licensing laws work, it also means that it is more difficult for someone to get their hands on someone else’s legally owned gun, as they cannot be kept in a shoebox in a cupboard or in a bedside table. The have to be kept locked away when not in use and this is regularly inspected by the police to ensure that the security is being maintained (as you have to have met the specified guidelines before a license can be issued). I am 46 and in my lifetime there has been 1 school shooting in the U.K. (from a rough count on Wikipedia, there has been over 300 in the USA since 2000) and that was 25 years ago in Dunblane, as far as I’m aware it’s the only school shooting that’s happened in the U.K. and we really don’t want to take the risk of having another...one is too many. I have to admit that I find the USA’s attitude of “The only way to stop a bad man with a gun, is with a good man with a gun.” absolutely mind boggling. I know that this isn’t the way that all Americans think but unfortunately, it is the way that you are portrayed in the non American media. The most hypocritical part being that the loudest and most ardent believers in the “right to bear arms” are right wing pro lifers who must only believe in the absolute right to life before you take your first breath...sorry that was maybe a little too political, no matter how honest.

[@MarkPMus]

I think you’re absolutely right. It strikes me as the absolute definition of hypocrisy that the most ardent US gun defenders appear to be pro-life, yet refuse to wear a mask in a life-threatening global pandemic, and believe in the so-called right to bear arms, ie kill people. They claim to be “Christian” but believe in the right to kill, despite, “Thou shalt not kill” being one of the only sentences in The Bible worth reading. I commented on this thread earlier about Dunblane being the only school massacre I remember in the UK, and I’m glad that reading your comment, it’s the only one you remember too, which means that either we’re both having senior moments (I’m 53) or that we’re both right! 😀😀

[@crazytanks2001]

I think your right but generally these gangs get their firearms over borders from European countries like spain france are some of the biggest factors its generally quite expensive i mean quite expensive for just a sidearm and they do this because they know they would never meet expectations to require firearms

[@loquayrocks]

Jim Jeffries also points out that when his home was invaded and he and his girlfriend attacked, he'd never have had time to fetch a gun from a gun safe. Also, check out the BBC documentary "Gun number 6". Criminals in the UK "Rent" the guns from other criminals for a specific purpose. They're not heading to a school or McDonalds to shoot up the place, they're targeting individuals. On a rare occasion you get a Derrick Bird or Raoul Moat, but that is extremely unusual (as was Guildford in 1987 or Dunblane)

[@lynnejamieson2063]

@@loquayrocks very true. I personally am very grateful that I live in a country that mostly has little to no interest in guns, resulting in a feeling that we are relatively safe from that horror.

[@loquayrocks]

@@lynnejamieson2063 I like knowing that some randomer who is having a bad day isn't going to shoot at me. I've come close though... I missed the London Bridge attacks by minutes (both occasions)

[@mrk8050]

I served 37 years in her Majesty's Armed Force's, most of which was in Special Forces. On rare occasions our duties were personal security for the Royal Family and other dignitaries, which meant carrying a side arm or in the case of Prince Williams wedding, Sniper perching in case of a terrorist attack. Also crowd walking, which meant a side arm, stun baton and thin blade ballistic knife. I can possess any fire arms I feel needed by requesting it directly to Scotland Yard. However, I have grandchildren to think of and also don't believe it necessary to have guns in my home. And as I have seen what they can do to the human body as well as having first hand experience of being shot several times I think the gun laws here need to be stricter. If I can have a high powered fully automatic submachine gun in my house, there is something wrong with the law.

[@mrh678]

Cool, which branch of the services we're you in, I've always had a fascination with it, 37 years is a long time for sure in a career like that. Interesting, so do you possess a Section 5 licence or something?

[@mrk8050]

@@mrh678 I joined up in 1981 as a Royal Marine Commando in which I was a member of 42 Commando, I saw action in the Falklands in 82, in 83 was posted to Sierra Leone to aid in training their Police and Military, in 84 the Island of Grenada to assist with rebuilding operations after the American invasion the year before. After that my Regiment was posted to Germany and then back home, in 88 a few of us were sent to record what was happening in what was Yugoslavia as the country was starting to break up on behalf of N.A.TO. and the U.N. After that I was invited to join a more specialised Regiment, after that I took part in the 1st Gulf War, the Bosnian War, a few other operations until the Invasion of Afghanistan after the Twin Towers were hit in America. Then the 2nd Gulf War and after that mainly Iraq, Afghanistan and the African Continent until in Afghanistan 2015 my career as an active Trooper was ended. I was retired in 2017 on medical grounds. I do not have any firearms licence, but I do have paperwork that I can present to Scotland Yard if I wished to or felt a threat to mine or my family's safety. But my wife and I do not want and firearms near our grandchildren or anybody else's children. Guns are an necessary evil unfortunately in war, but thankfully extremely hard to have within the United Kingdom, I personally feel not hard enough.

[@KissMyFatAxe]

I have seen what it can do to the human body too. I found myself on a very dodgy site once with users posting videos of murder/executions from various places. All uncensored. Some were Mexican cartel videos and some were ISIS, among other things. Out of pure morbid curiosity I couldn't help but watch a few. And it really opened my eyes to the real world. I've never served in the military. But I have seen with my own eyes what a shotgun blast at close range can do the human head. Nobody, I mean _nobody_ needs that kind of firepower.

[@lumpyfishgravy]

@@mrk8050 "After that I was invited to join a more specialised Regiment" We know what you mean haha.

[@bordersw1239]

Ah, a Walter Mitty.

[@TicketyBoo.]

As a former police officer I was trained to use firearms. We never carried them with us, they were only issued to a few well trained officers in very exceptional circumstances and had to be returned to the station immediately afterwards. Never in my career was I actually asked to carry a gun in public, let alone use one, a fact i'm quite proud of to be honest. The fact that so many americans feel it necessary to own and carry something specifically designed to kill other human beings say's something about the american way of life and perhaps how they regard their fellow countrymen. It was reassuring to hear you're not one of them though :-)

[@rachjade8785]

I think the US gun laws are insane, there’s been three shootings that I have heard of that have happened in America in the last two weeks alone. As a Brit, I’ve found I’ve become desensitised and find it hard to have any sympathy when there are shootings in the US, simply because the US acts like they don’t know how to stop them when safer gun laws would just make it so much easier. Edit: what I meant was I’ve heard of 3 shootings in America that were reported in the UK, but that statistic is wrong when only 30% of shootings end to make international news

[@alexhumphreys5243]

There has been 8 shooting in the last 12 month just in my area in the uk so that not true there is guns everywhere

[@alexhumphreys5243]

@@helenwood8482 What you mean no I’m telling you Manchester and Liverpool are flooded with I’ve lived both places . Birmingham London are just as bad don’t comment on thing unless you know about it

[@MarineAqua45]

@@alexhumphreys5243 She means by a spree killer,not by criminals shooting each other. Criminals do tit for tat shootings. Spree killers shoot many random people for the fun of it.

[@alexhumphreys5243]

@@MarineAqua45 that’s not what she said she said there has only been 3 shooting I’m saying that’s not true if she is stalking about spree killing there hasnt rely been any

[@crazytanks2001]

In my knowledge of police and military i agree but i think America has too far gone with their gun laws

[@JakeThys]

He got off to a bit of a bad start with the stats. He references the UK but 56 million is the approximate population of England alone. The UK population is around 66 million.

[@tonyhunter1892]

It's sort of balanced by his using The Geneva Declaration on Armed Violence and Development which states that the UK's homocide rate is 1 per million when in fact it is half of that.

[@loc4725]

@@tonyhunter1892 I can't find a reference to that but according to World Population Review ( worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country ) there were 0.6 homicides per million in the UK (44.6 /M in the U.S.).

[@JoeK25301]

It is not about having “the rights” to access firearms, but the management of infrastructure with the use of firearms and how one can access the firearms.

[@darrencooke4207]

I like the knowledge that my neighbours are unlikely to be able to shoot me if they get arsey about me complaining about their parking!

[@TexasTeaHTX]

I know for a fact my whole street is armed (Legally) and we’ve never had this problem.

[@darrencooke4207]

This was an exaggerated example but it eoesn't get around the fact that the number of gun related murders in the US per capita is so much higher than in the uk. It's far safer to not have guns in general circulation as can be easily proved and I am safer in this knowledge

[@nickloven6728]

They can still stab you to death, use blunt object. Hit you with thier car, the only difference is now you can defend yourself with a firearm.

[@darrencooke4207]

@@nickloven6728 In 2019, there were 4 gun related homicides for every 100,000 people (13,000) in the US. In the same year in the UK, there were 0.04 gun murders per 100,000 people. 100 times less. I know where I feel safer and I know the reason why.

[@tcharles2466]

How refreshing to hear from such a 'level-headed' and inspiring young man - particularly in the wake of so many recent atrocities in the US.

[@masterkyoogway3565]

(UK here) I knew about guns being here as my uncle lived on a farm, However, that was a single rifle and that's it. Guns have always been pointless to me, they are technology designed only to do harm.

[@ducdashot1239]

so are knives, explosives, acids and crossbows/bows... all of these are legally purchasable in the uk without a license and most of the time without even an ID. my point is just because its original design was to do harm doesnt mean that that's all its good for and should be removed from society.

[@the_dropbear4392]

@@ducdashot1239 No knives were designed to cut food. Explosives were designed for mining, acids weren't designed but are used in lots of ways

[@ducdashot1239]

@@the_dropbear4392 knives were originally designed to stab things, they came from knapping in prehistoric times and were always designed to have 2 functions, to cut and to stab. the first bladed edge wasnt used as an eating implement it was designed to go atop a spear, arrowhead or even be used to knap other tools. the first mass producible explosives were designed by the chinese and were used for fireworks, these fireworks were then used as both a celebratory tool but also saw a lot of use in warfare. the chinese then invented one of the first implementations of a canon. the first guns however were designed in the middle ages around the 1300's, known as the hand cannon or handgonne in europe and was used in siege warfare, anti cavalry warfare and used as essentially a very old version of a rocket launcher occasionally being used to blow in castle doors. acid compounds were designed, as with all chemicals whilst they do exist in nature theyre so heavily diluted or reacted to a point where the base component is no longer recognisable. scientists over a long period of time (mainly the 1700's to 1900's) figured out how to purify and then stabilise certain acids and alkaline in either liquid or solid form. acids arent just magicked out of thin air as a pure chemical, it took hundreds of years to figure that out.

[@g4viscon]

We absolutely should NOT have the right to gun ownership in the UK.

[@ThatTallGuy0]

Please expand on your reasons

[@crazytanks2001]

To me i think the only ones with access to guns should be farmers and officers i think for now the officers have what they need especially if your within an armed unit however our normal police officers should have better equipment to help protect them against knife crime or any sort of attack also would also like cop cars to hold one sidearm in case of a terrorist attack or knife wielding maniac

[@crowbar9566]

I can't get the police down here to do their jobs,, so i don't know, maybe we should.

[@crazytanks2001]

@@crowbar9566 putnin a complaint if they to you aren't doing their jobs

[@truxton1000]

@@ThatTallGuy0 Loose gun laws means a lot of gun crime, more mass shootings and a lot of trouble. US citizens claim they have guns to "protect themselves", which is ridiculous, as 9 out of 10 times someone point a gun at you you do not have the gun at hand or you are too late anyway so there you go, you are shot, and maybe dead. Just look at the statistics, speaks for itself.

[@lavender-rosefox8817]

guns and knives have gone from tools for survival like hunting for food to weapons and honestly in my opinion it's rather sad

[@g4viscon]

In the UK most people who live in towns and cities have barely ever seen a gun. We see our armed police units with them on occasions at railway stations and airports and occasionally armed patrols but the majority of our police are unarmed. You will never see a civilian with a handgun, only shotguns in the countryside. I feel so much safer knowing that I am living in country with responsible gun laws.

[@WB19990]

So are we just gonna forget gangs have guns

[@likeitout]

@@WB19990 Read my post above. Gangland gun violence is rare in the scheme of things.

[@CaptainAmercia]

Here in Northern Ireland it's more common to see police with firearms patrolling the streets holding assault rifles compared to the mainland UK like you said the only time i saw police in England was at important government buildings or train stations. Something else which took me by surprise was the ability to see police stations every police station I've come across in Northern Ireland surrounded by a massive wall looking like a prison or military base something I've gotten so used to that i was so surprised to just see a police station in the open lol

[@crazytanks2001]

@@WB19990 thats gang violence these gangs makeup the percentage of gun deaths in the uk

[@JarlGrimmToys]

@@likeitout agreed gang related gun violence is rare in the scheme of things. In 2019 there were only 33 gun related homicides in England and Wales. With a total population of 59 million. That’s 1 gun homicide for every 1.7 million people. In the US which also has gangs there is 1 gun homicide per 23,000 people. If gangs in the UK have guns, they’re not killing many people with them.

[@Gregorovitch144]

Owning an Uzi is legal in the UK? Pfft. Maybe so, technically. Thing is you'd have to convince the local chief constable that you had a good reason to own an Uzi. Good luck with that.

[@johnc3951]

False, that’s a semi auto .22 with an uzi skin. Educate yourself. A real uzi is an automatic weapon, usually 9mm. Like comparing a Ferrari to a tricycle

[@Croucher_L04]

@@johnc3951 you can own a real uzi in 9mm. However it has to be deactivated. This means it can still have moving parts but some parts like the gas rod have been removed, the firing pin removed, bolt cut at a 45 degree angle and some still rods in the barrel

[@discomikeyboy2012]

@@Croucher_L04 not entirely true. You can still own one, but the hoops you need to jump through are so onerous that most never will.

[@JonInCanada1]

A Study in Contrast... In America: Owning a lethal weapon is a right, healthcare is a luxury/privilege. In The Civilized World: Healthcare is a right, owning a lethal weapon is a privilege.

[@leeowen4989]

As a Brit, I like guns from an engineering and technical perspective and the act of shooting as a skill to master. But I never feel the need to have one when I am going about my daily business, I just don't see the point. My reasoning is that I don't believe a gun would offer much protection when easier to use alternatives are available. I say that because I know of someone in the U.S. who is a huge gun nut and likes to advertise the fact he has a gun "in case someone wants to mess with me" but he got caught up in one of the mass shootings there, I think it was the one in a cinema? He had his pride and joy strapped to his hip but when the lead started flying he was pissing himself hiding in a corner. Apparently a couple of those who were killed had legally owned pistols on them too. My point is that being trained to handle a gun safely and effectively is one thing that anyone with half a brain can do. But the ability to keep your head together and stop an attacker when everyone around you is losing their shit is something only a handful of people can do.

[@PiersDJackson]

When you question about those guns identified as ironically being legal in the UK, it's when you drill down further, and realise it's specifically for those in private/personal security work, eg. bodyguard or armed escort work that have such weapons.

[@vaughanellis7866]

As a Brit who has worked & lived in the US and had a CCW, and I've owned rifles in the UK I find that each country has the laws they need but I've noticed that the number of illegally own firearms in America are a problem that need to be addressed but there appears to be no political will to go after them. Instead the politicians are going after those firearms owners who are responsible obey the law, store their firearms correctly and do not go around shooting people. The criminals who have firearms by definition do not obey the law so any on the books or new laws around firearms are ignored by them, if the politicians truly want to bring down the number of people killed by firearms in the US then they have to start going after those firearms held by criminals and use the intelligence know to local police of which criminals are firearms users/sellers and actively go after them, but if they are successful and do start incarcerate criminals with illegal firearms they must be prepared for the rise in deaths by other means, knives, screw drivers, hammers, baseball bats, virtually any implement you can think of, over here in the UK we have already seen this happen.

[@dugpug2961]

Uk: go to the moon and back and we might let you get a gun American: na man you smell ok here have a pistol

[@davedavids57]

The funny thing is all the UK Nuclear Weapons are built, tested and then owned by civilians who wouldn't be able to get a hand gun :D (UK Nuclear weapons are built by a private company AWE and then sold to the British government - AWE have a section 5 licence allowing them to own and produce nuclear weapons).

[@dugpug2961]

@@davedavids57 Imagine falling on to your chair and hearing a beep and a “ target locket”

[@heavyweightboxingfan2269]

I live in Scotland, UK. The only person I know that owns a gun here is one of my friends who is a gamekeeper. He got in to a fight years ago, and since then is bad from owning a gun, probably for the rest of his life. The last time I heard in the news of someone being shot in Scotland was the Dunblane Massacre which was in the mid nineties.

[@cjmillsnun]

Which brought in the laws we have today.

[@spinningtop5749]

@@cjmillsnun there have been more recnt ones ( www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-32920394#:~:text=A%20man%20has%20been%20jailed%20for%20life%20after,at%20the%20time%20and%20incriminated%20six%20other%20people.) ; however, they tend to be contained between gang members and not random member of the public.

[@Etherglide]

And what a fuckin horrible story that was. I hope I never see another one.

[@huxham]

Despite the video showing which guns are permitted in the UK, actually obtaining a shotgun or firearms certificate is not easy. I know this from being a previous firearms certificate holder. You need to have a GENUINE reason to have one. The difficulty in obtaining a gun in the UK (legally) is reflected in the low gun ownership and very low gun crime in the UK. Personally, I struggle to understand why, in a developed country, in the 21st century, why people would need a gun except for genuine farming/pest control. I think the UK have a good approach to gun control, although I accept the US will never control gun ownership to the same level.

[@ryanhastie232]

I am a brit, born and raised, still here. I have a US friend who was begging their parents for a gun for their 18th birthday. It was shocking to me. I asked 'why a gun?' And she said 'for protection ' and I said 'against what?' And she said 'a crazy guy with a gun' The problem there is that the culture has created this. In the UK, we of course would feel like we had the ability to protect ourselves. But with guns being so rare in the UK, the chance of someone owning a gun , then using it for violence is VERY rare. But in the US, pretty much anyone can own a gun, therefore, the chances of someone bursting through your door shooting is much higher, thus, her feeling like she needs the same weapon in order to be even in protection. Get rid of the guns, get rid of the gun violence

[@dancingclown0006]

I'm American mind your own business about foreign affairs. Gun design Self defense and figh Tyrannical government. That's why we American separated the British Empire. Do your research American bill of rights.

[@ryanhastie232]

@@dancingclown0006 Sorry buddy, but it seems that foreign people like me are caring more for the American children than you. It doesn't matter what country you are from. As a human, its terrible to hear about mass shooting after mass shooting in your country

[@ryanhastie232]

@@dancingclown0006 Also, we are all aware of the history. But just because 400 years ago, you were allowed a musket, that doesn't mean that in 2022, a mentally unstable, uneducated 21 year can get a gun for no other reason that 'cuz I wanna'

[@dancingclown0006]

Unfortunately we cannot stop evil intentions I'm praying 🙏 all people got killed. 🔫 guns here rights not Privilege. I Live in Southern States Alabama some one Trying to purchase a rifle 18 year old need to go safety training class every state different laws here. We southern we value life here

[@dan2178]

@@ryanhastie232 mass shootings are mostly gang related. You say you care for our children more? I dont see your country banning red meat. A single big factor in child death us obesity

[@markcutmore7811]

"we need guns to protect ourselves" said no one with a brain.....EVER.

[@dan2178]

Wrong. 3 million Americans a year. Better to have it and not need it.

[@ducklabsgaming4676]

@@dan2178 Come on. Nothing good comes of it.

[@dan2178]

@@ducklabsgaming4676 yes it does. 3 million crime prevented. Name a country where gun control works.

[@dan2178]

@@lindsaytoulson7187 well the stats disagree. 27% increase in gun violence since 2015. Brazil. Venezuela. Mexico. All stricter gun control than the uk. The usa ranks 55 in countries with gun violence. Same as greenland. Northern Ireland actually allows handguns and self defense as a reason. So no.

[@Alexnahar]

@@dan2178 if the laws in America from the beginning was that nobody had the right to carry guns then retrospectively no body would have them meaning the rest of the US wouldn’t feel the need to go out and by guns to “protect them selfs from other people with guns” your own laws created your gun crimes lol. Also we don’t teach our kids that guns are our friends we are told from the beginning that guns should be feared.

[@szabados1980]

Gun laws in the UK: They aren't banned but you can't get one. Find another passtime that isn't dangerous to others.

[@bermudagirl50]

I've never seen anyone with any kind of a gun in the UK apart from the police at the airport. As far as I know it was due to the Dunblane massacre that our gun laws were tightened.

[@banquetable]

As one of the minority (FAC/SGC holder, committee member of my target club and shooting 2 or 3 days each week) I would say that we have the right balance between regulation and freedom in our licensing system. Shooting is simply a skill that is both fun and challenging to practice to me. The majority of people don't share that interest which is fine but the same could be said for many other hobbies. It's all really a complete non-issue.

[@noone6559]

Are you in the USA? Just want to confirm that before I have my say.

[@banquetable]

@@noone6559 Hi :) In the UK.

[@Stephneechan]

Rights are great and all, but the average person can barely even be trusted to not try running with scissors, let alone own a gun XD

[@kevclements8724]

Lived in Uk all my life 50 plus years and never touch a single gun, in fact never seen one accept at UK airports and at a service station where military were guarding a vehicle just wandered what they were guarding. Only other time seen them are overseas police.

[@mathiasosiriswoodhal]

I think the only people who should have guns is the army Also we don't really think about guns in the UK only time they come up is when we watch American programmes on TV lol

[@philipmason9537]

Out of 200 countries in the world only ten countries have police forces who don’t routinely carry guns and the U.K. is one of these. You’ll generally only see armed police at airports and outside certain embassies; armed response squads are, of course, alert at all times.

[@TheGarryq]

Great Britain, not the UK

[@SWLB]

London’s main train stations have armed cops but you don’t feel threatened. It’s bizarre when you know guns are given to US cops without any real training or psychological evaluation.

[@gingerbear967]

Many of the people who own firearms in the UK simply will never bring it up in a conversation as it is such a difficult process and expensive to own one. If they let the information that they own a firearm out the risk of gangs or criminals finding out could led to them attempting to steal their firearms. Which would cause you to lose your licence. Gun owners in the UK are very wary of this and is the reason most people won't disclose this info.

[@DaveLennonCopeland]

Hmm... Guns. I'm glad to say we don't have a "gun culture" like that of the USA. Our police are not even armed save for the special units of AFO (Authorised Firearms Officers) and only used as anti-terrorist prevention. Most airports (I think) have an armed unit; Gatwick airport (near me) has an armed unit for sure. Police forces of the British Empire were all armed to various degrees during their existence. That's why Australia, Canada, India etc, have armed police today. I'm with you Jps, "Say *NO* to guns!" :)

[@dexos9248]

As a 50 year old British man there’s never been a moment in my life that warranted the need to own a firearm. I am 100% in agreement with our strict gun laws . However I am also in agreement that America is a very different place to Great Britain and that your second amendment right to own or bear arms should not be taken away. What amazes me is how easy it is to acquire guns over there. Maybe tighten up the background check beforehand. And here’s a question. I understand the idea that you might want a weapon for protection . So you buy a revolver or a pistol. Why would anybody need an assault rifle or a sniper rifle to protect their home and family. That is mental.

[@rossross3689]

Your end statement also used to puzzle me until I looked into it a bit more. Someone firing a handgun who is untrained could have a very hard time actually hitting a target with it, whereas an assault rifle is so much easier to use. Most people would be able to hit a target almost first time

[@somebloke13]

The 2nd amendment in the US specifies the private citizens should be able to own the equivalent firearm to the government forces. No point in having a flintlock when the government has assault rifles. And that's the point. The War of Independence was a result of what was felt was tyrannical rule by the British. As it turned out, the American militias had better rifles then the British soldiers, so it gave them an advantage on the battlefield. So in 2057 when we are in to the 37th year of the 2 weeks to flatten the curve, good luck with your kitchen knife in overthrowing Boris's SAS troops...

[@dexos9248]

@@somebloke13 I agree with the 2nd amendments written right for private citizens to own firearms in States. But where is the line drawn. You make a point about me defending myself with a knife because that’s all I’ll have if the government ever persecuted the people enough for some kind of uprising or revolution . And you’re probably right. The flaw in your argument is that you or me or anyone could have a cache of weapons . You can own as many guns as you want but they’ll be as much use to you as a knife is to me when they send in the drones . It’s all about context. Personally I’m glad we don’t have a massive gun culture in England. We’ve got enough nutters on our streets with knives without the worry of giving them the right to carry repeater shotguns or semi automatic rifles. Don’t misunderstand me, I’m not criticising the principle of the 2nd amendment. I respect it. I’m saying that if the shit ever hits the fan then we’ve got no chance. In the meantime I’ll sit here happy in the knowledge that my kids aren’t going to be blown away by a disgruntled classmate who thinks we’re living in the matrix . Or worried that I’ll get my head shot off because the cop that pulled me over is feeling a bit twitchy . Also if you own a gun you’re probably more likely to use it on yourself .

[@LeftLib]

It is up to the Americans, but if I were one then knowing how things are in the UK I would want to ditch the 2nd amendment ASAP.

[@dan2178]

Assault rifles are illegal. You aren't well educated

[@bunjitsu7046]

I think the American fascination is mostly tied to the "right" to have one. You are proud and defensive of your rights by culture, and guns are part of that. In the UK, we do not think of it as a "right", to us it would be like driving a truck, you need to train and have a licence and be regulated and monitored, you may drive a truck for work, or leisure, and you may WANT to drive one, but it doesn't mean you have the right to...

[@johnfused8281]

Yeah I agree I agree with the Americans on this one though. I'm not a nut and I've never fired before and wouldn't really want to. But you can see their point. We let those in "charge" have them. We should have the right or it should be your right to own one. But everytime I've brought this up my fellow Brits shout me down.

[@poruatokin]

What's laughable is they have a right to own a killing device, but they have no rights for universal health coverage.

[@tecathome]

@@johnfused8281 There were 12 mass shooting in just over the last week in the US, mass meaning 4 or more, that's at least 48 casualties, we had none, you have very confused thinking if you think that is OK and that you would like that here, very confused!

[@maverick23121979]

What is daft is the US Government and media thanks in part to bribes (lobbying efforts) from the NRA and firearms industries tell it's citizens that it is their human right to own a firearm, yet when the United States of America is speaking to the United Nations an organization where it is a Founding Member at no point in there list of Universal Human Rights is the right to own and bear arms a "right" if the US truly believed that it is then surely as a founding member of the UN it would be listed as a universal human right.

[@poruatokin]

@@johnfused8281 Not surprised, it is an idiotic statement.

[@leehallam9365]

When the US split away, the right to bear arms was a right they had previously had as British, its just that as the US has a written constitution it never changed. Because in the UK there is no single constitution, rights adapt with time. When there was no police force then protecting yourself with a gun is a perfectly reasonable right, even more so in a frontier land, in the UK there have been a series of changes, usually in reaction to guns becoming more common after major wars, more recently massacres like Hungerford or Dunblane, reflecting that in a society with a police force you just don't need them. In fact less than 5% of police officers in England and Wales carry guns. The American laws are a crazy interpretation of what the founding fathers envisaged, that certainly wasn't suburban families openly carrying semi automatic guns to a supermarket to buy yet more for their armoury.

[@PhoenixFire2]

You're right, they are. The founders wanted people to be allowed to own actual private warships, they'd hate how many gun laws we have today.

[@UkSapyy]

@@PhoenixFire2 What a muppet. One of a few instances when head butting a wall might do some good for mental cognition.

[@RJALEXANDER777]

@@PhoenixFire2 Some wanted big government and others wanted hands-off government to the point that even the military would be the realm of volunteer civilians. The founding fathers disagreed with each-other as much as congress ever has in it's short history. But almost all of them would dislike modern America for one reason or another.

[@Gadgetonomy]

Let's not forget that the UK Police are not armed with ballistic weapons (except specialist firearms officers) and in my opinion I believe that's still one of the reasons that gun crime is relatively low here.

[@likeitout]

That’s not the reason. The reason gun crime is low is because the average street mugger wouldn’t have the first clue where to source a firearm. Even if he did, the price of a WORKING firearm on the U.K. black market, is much higher than the retail price in nations where they’re legal. We’re talking thousands of pounds in some cases. If the average mugger had that spare cash then they wouldn’t need to rob to get cash. It’s logical. Whenever you hear of a firearm used in a robbery then there’s a good chance it’s a lifelike toy or a replica. Most shop or street robbers who are arrested in possession of a gun, will have one of these but it’s still classified as a firearms incident. But even harder than sourcing guns is sourcing the ammunition for it. Often, the rounds cost more than the gun. Attempts at using home made rounds have even resulted in the weapon exploding in their hands or a ballbearing powered by a starting pistol blank, comically dropping out of the barrel. But the reason for my response is to slay this idea that criminal minds have scruples. They don’t. If they were scrupulous then they wouldn’t think it ok to hurt people and you name a crime where there’s isn’t a victim. To be a career criminal (not an addict) there has to be an element of clinical psychopathy or else they wouldn’t choose the lifestyle. Experience is knowledge, everything else is information. I worked in that world for thirty years and have NEVER come across a criminal who consciously wanted to give the police and authorities a level playing field and an equal fair chance. Speak to any criminologist and don’t just take my word. If they could get an advantage over “the pigs” then be assured that they would gleefully grab it and celebrate that fact. For those who could find a means of procuring weapons, the real reason for the choice to not use guns is the deterrent. An automatic sentence of five years, just for mere possession. In many cases where armed police intercept a gang on a “hard stop” the gangsters knowing this, will try to do is throw the weapon as far away from them as possible and try to argue their innocence in court. Five years is a long time. But those same gangsters wouldn’t do the same thing with an eighth of cannabis. The deterrent factor is the same reason why MOST burglars want to get away from you if you surprise them, even if they’re the country’s top martial arts expert and you’re a skinny weed. The sentence is automatically five years for an aggravated burglary and that includes the use of violence on the victim inside his own home. So those few who are reckless enough to use a gun, will use it REGARDLESS of if the police are routinely armed or not. In fact they like it better that the officers who they are more likely to first encounter, are unarmed because that can mean the difference between getting away or getting caught.

[@Gadgetonomy]

@@likeitout I said one of the reasons. I think the UK Police not carrying guns shows that we are not a nation of gun toters. We are less exposed to guns and show general apathy to firearms overall.

[@likeitout]

@@Gadgetonomy There’s no evidence of that being a reason. If you think about it, something illegal is only peddled by the criminal. That’s what makes them a criminal in the first place but you also have to have that mindset in the first place. Google the psychological philosophy of sheep, sheepdogs and wolves. Ordinary law abiding citizens aren’t going to pick up a gun simply because the police are armed and ordinary criminals aren’t going to go out of their way to do the same because they want to even out the odds. It’s a simple analysis. Those that will will do it anyway and those that are too scared to won’t do it regardless.

[@Gadgetonomy]

​@@likeitout It's my opinion. Not sure why you have jumped on to this one simple comment of my personal observation with some sort of lecture. If it makes you feel better then dip your bread in.

[@likeitout]

@@Gadgetonomy it’s a commonly held belief so it’s not personal. But it’s a very wrong commonly held belief that’s causing problems. As we witness note and more county lines encroachment into our once safer rural areas, the police and authorities need to be given the tools to keep all of us safe.

[@MsCheesemonster13]

I’m shocked (and not happy) that some of these weapons are permitted in my country (the UK).

[@georgeh-w5041]

The weapons that you're probably shocked at... they can only be stored at a gun club. You cant store an Uzi in your house for example

[@jaynesleigh4722]

@@georgeh-w5041 Yes the video should have made that clear.

[@mjograus8800]

To use your phrasing, I’m shocked (and not happy) that some morons are permitted to own and drive cars in my country (the UK). You will have come across these idiots yourself but I bet you have never been confronted by a gun wielding criminal.

[@shaunwild8797]

Don't worry yourself too much. The chances of someone getting permission for one of those guns is near impossible.

[@MarineAqua45]

@@georgeh-w5041 You can actually,as its classed as a Section 1 firearm, basically a .22 rifle,under UK law. There are no bans on appearances of guns either. The only guns that are restricted to club-storage only are,Section 7.3 pistols,which cannot be stored at home & can only be stored at certain sites,like Bisley.

[@keithrose6931]

In the UK if you have an altercation with someone and the police are called you could have your guns and licence revoked and its very difficult to get them back .

[@bencaraccio2623]

As a brit, I've handled guns before for clay pigeon shooting etc and I've been shooting in America. I have absolutely no desire to own a gun, let alone have one in my house. I can't think of anything more dangerous.

[@jaynesleigh4722]

I’ve previously owned a carbine musket for the purposes of historical reenactment. Even these need a shotgun licence. A firearms officer visits your home to check that it’s stored in a gun cabinet. You also need a separate licence to use “black powder” and a different one to store it. Its important to have strict regulation to keep people safe

[@DK-cy5mt]

Sealed Knot per chance?

[@vaudevillian7]

Same

[@derwindhund116]

I'm a WWII reenactor, and I have a German 7.92 K98 bolt action rifle, but am only allowed to have blanc ammo, but no live ammo unless I'm a member of a gun club.

[@aly6272]

well having a gun shouldn't be a right - it should be completely illegal to own a firearm and tbf ive never even seen a person own a gun or use one - yes exactly, owning one gun for hunting is fine but more than that its a bit excessive - there are rarely any gun crimes around where i live in the UK, that doesnt mean there isnt any because there is but its a rare thing

[@LiveHedgehog]

A hunter would require more than one gun, especially if they hunt different animal types. It's a job, and you need at least 2 guns in case one becomes unusable and you need a backup. A deer will require a different gun to kill than a game bird, for example. You're not going to use a hunting shotgun on a bird.

[@aly6272]

@@LiveHedgehog yeah i understand but guns for anything other than hunting imo are used for the intention of harming - this is from an outside perspective tho because i live in a relatively gun free area where theres little to no hunting either

[@simu31]

@@aly6272 The problem in the US is the NRA have successfully lobbied to insinuate that even AR-15s (and the like) are for "hunting"

[@THE-THATCH]

Knob

[@daveharrison7707]

​@@aly6272 what about clay pigeon shooting or target shooting? i own a shotgun but i have no intention of harming anyone, never even shot at a live target!!

[@SWLB]

People don’t want to own guns here. What’s allowed still needs a good reason beyond I like guns or even protection. You don’t need a gun

[@GloryCarrier22]

Not in the UK, no, but theres little to no actual understanding of the real stats in the US; of the around 32,000 gun deaths per year in a country of 330 million, approximately half are suicides; by the time you take into account lawful killings, ie police shootings of armed criminals, accidental shootings (which are actually astonishingly rare), the actual figure of unlawful homicide is around 5000.....again in a country of 330 million......that's 0.0015% of the US population; but according to the CDC in America, between 500,000 and 3.5 million lives are SAVED by the judicious use of firearms by law-abiding citizens defending themselves from criminal attack (the reason theres no precise figure for this is that few of these incidents are reported to police since there would be little point.... An interesting statistic is that armed robbery in households in Britain where theres a good chance that residents will be home is around 67% of all robberies, whereas that same situation only occurs in 13% of all robberies in the States, for one good reason; theres a good chance any householder will be packing and all the robbers want to do is grab the loot and get out of there in one piece; thats far less likely in the States! Also the perception is that guns are crazily easy to get without having to do much, which simply isn't the case; the "gun show loophole" is a myth, and no dealer can sell any gun at gun shows without going through FEDERAL background checks PLUS any other checks required by the individual State your in, which often means you simply cannot walk away with a firearm there and then; its true that family members at gun shows can hand any gun to each other thats legally owned by one of them, but since liability for any criminal consequence rests squarely with the owner of the gun this is rare! America's history is the reason they have guns, they had to take up arms to defeat a tyrannical government (the British government!). and they'd already had to defend themselves in the wilderness that was the North American continent against everything from natives to bears and wolves; because of the culture, many criminal gangs are armed to the teeth with ILLEGAL guns, so taking away legal guns from citizens in this situation would be saying to those criminals "just rob us and kill us"; a well known saying in the States, which lets be honest applies in the UK as well, is "When seconds count, the police are always minutes away" frequently they just get there in time to take the bodies away! In the UK it offends our sensibilities but another well known and pertinent fact that the anti-gun rights lobby don't tell you is that the majority if not all "mass-shootings" in the US occur in so-called "gun-free zones", for fairly obvious reasons!

[@ghughesarch]

@@GloryCarrier22 total bullshit. "Half are suicides", so, um, that's great then? I expect their friends and relatives must be delighted by that. "Oh great, we got guns, kill yourself if you want to". "according to the CDC in America, between 500,000 and 3.5 million lives are SAVED by the judicious use of firearms by law-abiding citizens defending themselves from criminal attack (the reason theres no precise figure for this is that few of these incidents are reported to police since there would be little point...." So - you shoot a burglar, and then don't bother to report it? Great. Where do you bury the body? And how, exactly, do you get away with that? "I said he was a burglar, the police believed me" "they had to take up arms to defeat a tyrannical government (the British government!)" - no, that one is total rubbish. "the majority if not all "mass-shootings" in the US occur in so-called "gun-free zones", for fairly obvious reasons!" Really? where are these "gun-free zones" in the US?

[@GloryCarrier22]

@@ghughesarch and what part of the history of the US don’t you get? Idiot. Does 1776 mean anything to your tiny mind?

[@garthhentley5957]

The first sentence of the 4th paragraph needs you to have further thoughts.

[@ghughesarch]

@@GloryCarrier22 I know all about 1776, and the context. You don't understand what happened.

[@Matt-vj3nb]

You just need to look at the evidence to see what’s right and wrong. The amount of school shootings, police shootings and others gun related deaths are massive in the US compared to Britain and as a Brit, I am fully against having the right to firearms.

[@matt-patrickpsychology7957]

Guns are a privilege not a right. It is no different to any other form of property.

[@dancingclown0006]

YOU ARE WRONG SIR I'm American my birth right to have gun 🔫🤣 Written of founding fathers USA Constitution

[@free_wifihesinnocent5553]

In UK we view gun ownership as a privilege which you have to earn, Americans see it as a right which is bonkers, since they don't live in the Times of funding fathers,

[@glastonbury4304]

This vlog your watching is a little poor, he makes it sound as if we own guns in the UK like Uzi's 🤣, plus he mentions nothing about the police not having guns...he makes it also sound like a debate in he UK when it isn't, I know no one in the UK who owns a gun or would even want a gun, I mean what's the point ...hunting squirrels 🤷🤣🤣

[@Westcountrynordic]

That's is your personal experience, my personal experience is different. Off the top of my head I can think of 6 people I know who own and use guns in the area of the UK I grew up in. Now I'm in a different part of the UK I only see the guns carried by the police and troops at the garrison.

[@Will-nn6ux]

I know a guy with a .22 AR15 style rifle, a .308 bolt action repeating rifle, a semi-automatic 12 bore shotgun with a large magazine and a .22 semi-automatic long barrel pistol.

[@glastonbury4304]

@@Westcountrynordic ...I would say I don't know w anyone personally, but if anyone has guns in UK it would be West Country people like farmers or bored out of their brains in the winter gun clubs down that way 😄

[@glastonbury4304]

@@Will-nn6ux ...sad guy I guess, what on earth does he use an AR15 for in the UK, is he compensating for something 🤣🤣

[@Will-nn6ux]

@@glastonbury4304 There are quite a few target shooting clubs around the country where people participate in various competitions.

[@bigal6352]

I got tugged by the rozzers in Florida about 16 or 17 years ago for what I like to call 'enthusiastic' driving. Whilst here in the UK it's pretty standard to just hop out of your car and go and meet the plod on the roadside with a friendly hello and a hope that he's not going to nail your hat on for driving like a twat, it's a very different story over there. Mistake number one was opening the door and starting to get out of the car, as I had done many times at home without giving it a second thought. "Stay in your vehicle! STAY. IN. YOUR. VEHICLE!!" came the shouts from the dibble's P.A system on his car, followed by "Keep your hands where I can see them!" Dangling my hands over the side of my door like a naughty school boy, I took a look in the mirror to see a very red faced, portly copper with the shiniest mirrored aviators I've even seen slowly approaching, holster unclipped and hand hovering over his piece. Mistake number two came when he asked to see my license and insurance. My wallet was in the centre console, so that was no issue, but without even thinking about it, I reached over to the glove box for the rental papers. Before I'd even reached the glove box, he's taken several steps back, had his gun drawn and had it pointed pretty much square at my head. I had my hands clamped back on the wheel faster than he could say "Git yo hands back on that wheel, NOW!" Once the colour of his face had returned to a shade that didn't suggest he was on the verge of a major coronary and after apologising about not being familiar with the protocol and cooking up an "awfully sorry, old chap" cock and bull story about forgetting about the U.S speed limits being different to ours (which is true, but I can't think of anywhere here with a 30mph limit that wouldn't see you get royally fucked for nudging 70mph...as 'might' have been the case in the residential area just before we spotted each other in at the same time and he clocked me at a less fuckable 45mph as I threw the anchors out) he relaxed a bit and realised that I was no threat to him, we had a pretty civil and interesting chat about how different things were there. He was actually quite a nice chap, just a couple of years from retirement and pretty used to over enthusiastic Brits taking advantage of rental mustangs on his turf. With me being on the way back to the rental depot and about to catch my flight home too, he knew that there was absolutely fuck all chance of me paying the fine within 30 days, or whatever the limit was, and just sent me on my way with a slap on the wrist. It was with some weariness though that he'd explained that they wanted to make it to retirement there and with their state laws allowing for anyone to carry a concealed weapon, they just couldn't afford to relax for a second and had to assume that everyone, tourist or not, was carrying. A point that was drilled home when he told me that one of his less experienced, newer colleagues had been shot in the knee and had a second bullet hit his car inches away from where his head was just a few months earlier...on what should have been a routine traffic stop. It really was in quite stark contrast to how things are here, where you'd never even think for a second that, unless you were giving it toes from a bank job or something, anyone pulled over for speeding would be armed. Sometimes the charm offensive on the plod works here, sometimes it doesn't. But getting out of the car and going for a chat with the rozzer who's hit the blues and twos on you is just the norm.

[@Rroff2]

These days the cops in the UK don't take it very friendly if you get out the car to meet them when pulled over either. Had a similar thing happen as a tourist in the US - though in our case were quite lost in the dead of night trying to find the entrance to a hotel (and in completely the wrong place) and passing state trooper thought we might be trying to break into a building. His instructions weren't very clear and I thought he was asking to see ID and started to reach into a pocket then almost immediate realised bad idea and froze mid-action but he already had his gun out in reaction and stepping back. Fortunately was quickly cleared up and albeit a bit grudgingly was very helpful in pointing us in the right direction after that though at the same time made it very clear he didn't consider it was his job to do so like it was a huge favour.

[@bigal6352]

@@Rroff2 With a license that seems to be constantly hovering around the 'I'm going to need a solicitor if I get any more points' level, I've never once had any kind of issue with getting out and meeting the plod on the roadside here. I don't know, maybe if you're cruising around a 10 year old blacked out M3 around Manc city center at 2 in the morning, they might get a bit twitchy about people getting out of the car, but I've never known it to be a problem when I've done it. The only time that I thought I was well and truly up shit creek here was getting tugged at WAY over the ton on the M56 on the way to work at Manc airport. I've absolutely no idea where the hell he came from, but on what was an empty stretch of motorway at 3.30am, a dark blue 5 series Beemer appeared on my arse end out of nowhere. To this day I'm convinced that he must have been running dark, because he tugged me about a mile after a police layby that everyone on that stretch of motorway knew about and I'd made a point of eyeballing as I passed to see if anyone was in it, or if any headlights came on in the rear view as I left it behind. There was nothing! Wherever he did come from though, he was on me about a mile after passing that layby, lit me up, pulled me onto the cargo terminal junction and got me stopped in what was the old Four Seasons hotel car park. With him directing me into there and at the speed I was going at, straight away I just knew that he'd directed me off the motorway and into the car park because I was probably getting nicked. I got out of my car and started to wander over, but was met with a hand out of his window, pointing me back towards my car. "Oh fuck" I'm thinking, "this boy is not happy!". But you know what, he was absolutely sound! He actually apologised for keeping me waiting for a couple of minutes, saying that he was trying to 'sort his system' out. I must have been nudging at least 130 when he pulled me...instant ban territory all day long, but he didn't even write it up! I didn't bullshit him, or try to talk my way out of it and just though 'fair enough, you've got me red handed here', but it turns out that he had a sister who worked for the same company that I did and knew how much of a bunch of cunts they were with their shift hours and docking pay for being so much as a minute late...and I was already 30 minutes late for a 3am start after a 6pm finish the day before. He just gave me a slip to say that he'd pulled me for a vehicle check with no speed recorded, had a word in my ear about calming down even though the motorway was completely empty and a 'what would happen if you had a blow out at that kind of speed...?' word of advice. The only thing I can think of for why I wasn't calling a taxi from the local nick several hours later though, sister or no sister at the same company, was that when he said he was 'sorting his system out', it hadn't been on, or had an issue where it hadn't recorded anything. Either way, going as fast as I was, he'd have been well within his rights to go absolutely ape, but he didn't. I can honestly say that I've had more of a bollocking from the fuzz for spinning the rear wheels up pulling out of a junction than that that dude gave me for the speed I was chipping along at.

[@poruatokin]

Try watching the Jim Jeffries stand up on gun ownership - Hilarious

[@xen0g3n]

Yep. As an Aussie (as he is), most of us are quite happy to have banned auto weapons after the Port Arthur massacre in 1996. New Zealand has passed similar laws recently for the exact same reason. Fewer guns, less gun violence. Then again, the UK, Aus, and NZ don't have a Second Amendment, which technically was written when the US only had muskets and flintlock pistols. There were no automatic weapons when the Constitution was written. A huge difference between that and the present day, given the whole point of that Amendment, was in case the *government* was suspect and the citizens could rise up as a militia to overthrow, not randomly walk around shooting indescrimately like a crazy person.

[@LongdownConker]

Definitely and his ride along with uk police in Birmingham

[@maxthecat14]

I have seen it, and he is not only funny, but absolutely spot on.

[@nickloven6728]

And full of bs

[@chrisparsons1945]

Should point out that the reason we allow weapons such as the MP5 is for Police use, rather than civilian use. The restrictions on handgun and rifle sizes (ie the minimum size) is also to minimise concealed carry.

[@garthhentley5957]

The 2nd Amendment is 27 words long and full of ambiguity.

[@carlhartwell7978]

It's very straightforward, where is the ambiguity to you? _A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed._ In order to protect the security of a free state, the militia needs to be well regulated, which in turn requires that the people have the right to bear arms, simple.

[@marylynne9104]

@@carlhartwell7978 - so Joe Blow with his fifteen AR-15s, seven handguns and a pre-frontal lobotomy is a ‘well regulated militia”?

[@carlhartwell7978]

@@marylynne9104 I think you're exaggerating with the pre-frontal lobotomy Mary, but yeah, if all the guns are legal he's obviously well regulated!

[@justcode2822]

The definition of Militia is : a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.

[@Charlieb82]

@@carlhartwell7978 where does it say that those who use their right to bear arms are allowed to infringe on the rights of others who disagree with them, that they will intimidate and threaten the safety of others?

[@Tijuanabill]

Kansas Conceal Carry Law: 1. Be 18 2. Be a Kansan 3. Have a firearm 4. Have a pocket big enough to put said fire arm in. 5. That's it. No process. No paperwork. No problems since the law passed.

[@bluelogik7300]

Its nice to actually hear your thoughts after the video finishes rather than the video ending after the reaction

[@catherinewilkins2760]

I have three antique fire arms, two pistols, one 1800, the other 1840 and a deactivated Martini Henry, from Zulu wars. Not illegal as no ammunition available for them. Ornaments on the wall.

[@ianvincent4911]

Actually your Martini Henry is legal, as it is deactivated - not due to the ammo availability. There is plenty of resources to make Martini Henry ammo, and they are routinely fired in historical firearms competitions. See www.martinihenry.org

[@WheelieMacBin]

The first time I ever fired a gun was in the army, an FN FAL (SLR) and a Sterling SMG. The training in such weapons instills respect for them. In my honest opinion, guns have no place in everyday life, and that isn't some kind of soy-boy sentiment. Sadly, in our big cities here in the UK, gang related gun crime is becoming a real problem, and it is getting worse.

[@noneofyourbusiness9436]

I don't get how you can feel safe with a gun I feel the exact opposite I would feel very unsafe if I knew nearly everyone carried a gun but then again that could just be the fact that I'm Scottish and have never actually seen a real gun in my whole 20 years of being alive 😂

[@patrickhows1482]

Another difference between the UK and the USA is that blood sports are unpopular in the UK, ordinary people do not go shooting (UK)/hunting (US), in the UK shooting/hunting is generally a rich person's sport.

[@richybinns]

I live in N.I, took me over a year to obtain my firearms, including a .22 rifle and .22 semi auto pistol, I also owned a CZ85 in 9mm, doctors reports obtained to confirm I was neither suicidal or had any mental health issues. Police spoke to the other members of the gun club to confirm I wasn't a risk re: Gun handling/safety and finally the Police inspected both my gun safes, one for the weapon and the other for ammunition, bolts and magazines. Both must be bolted to walls and floors. I'm not advocating for gun ownership as I think the same old arguments for ownership are just crap, I do however think we do ownership right........

[@joshsheff7189]

Of course there are guns in circulation illegally, and you read occasionally about gang related shootings, but it's never something that I've personally felt scared of, nor has it ever made me feel as though my having a gun would somehow make the situation better. The simple reality is that more guns in the streets makes more shootings likely. There was a shooting (non fatal) in the Kettleblack Bar just around the corner from my apt last year, but it's never happened before, and likely never will again, cos the dude who pulled the trigger is now locked up for a LONG time. I think the we've got the right balance between making it possible for those who wish to get a gun, to do so, and at the same time making it difficult enough to weed out the lunatics. We had a mass school shooting in 1996 (I think??) Called Dunblane, and that was the straw that broke the camels back. We introduced gun laws... and guess what, haven't had once since.

[@fossy4321]

A couple of mistakes in this video, owning a shotgun is a right in the UK - the Police will only deny you for a reason, this reason can be as little as the visiting officer felt something was not right. Owning a rifle is not your right and the onus is on you to justify owning one. Also handguns are permitted but you must have a valid reason for owning one, many deerstalkers own a handgun for dispatching deer near roads where a rifle would be dangerous due to its power. The reason most people think handguns are totally banned is that target practice was removed from the list of valid reasons so a huge percentage had to be surrendered to the Police with massive media coverage.

[@crazytanks2001]

If the shotgun has more than two shots then its illegal which is why youll see people pretty much which double barrel

[@fossy4321]

@@crazytanks2001 Incorrect, you can buy 3 & 4 barreled shotguns which are rather unwieldy but quite legal, also almost all semi-auto shotguns are 3 shot, 1 in the chamber and 2 in the magazine. And if you have a section one certificate then semi-autos are allowed which hold 10 or more cartridges.

[@crazytanks2001]

@@fossy4321 oh didnt know that my bad 😅

[@derekwordley1837]

A little bit of nit picking, for such a serious subject. Why is the Union Flag upside down?@

[@fossy4321]

@tacfoley Don't quite understand this post as you're just reiterating what I said but saying I was wrong. Obviously multiple barreled shotguns may need a section one certificate but as I said they are quite legal.

[@aarontaylor4967]

I'm British. Unless maybe you are a farmer, why would you need a gun? If I was allowed one, I wouldn't want one. What would I do with it, other than worry my kids would accidentally shoot themselves?

[@markchester7584]

The worst part about UK gun laws is the different ways that the separate constabularies enforce the guidance issued by the government. A further, very annoying aspect, is the time taken to process simple variation requests (for the acquisition of a new firearm or moderator for instance). For the most part, this type of licensing is a sensible way to operate. Gun crime, however, just like the US, is based around the proliferation of illegal firearms. Pistols with high capacity magazines are preferable as they are easy to conceal and easily disposed of in a nearby river or by breaking them into their constituent parts.

[@adriansams6066]

Can't fault Sussex there as they tend to be very quick and even variations can be as short as 14 days.. My last Co Terminus Section 1 and Shotgun Cert took 4 weeks and that included the home visit.. I know other forces are allowing their anti firearms Chief Insp to stall renewels etc which is disgraceful.

[@loc4725]

It's funny how comments like the above from British gun owners are so well reasoned whereas those from Brits who don't own guns seem to be largely ignorant and laced with fear.

[@tonysutton6559]

UK 60 gun deaths a year. USA 12,000 gun deaths a year. More people get killed with guns in the US in two days than are killed in the UK in an entire year. I know which gun laws I would rather have and where I would rather live.

[@scottirvine121]

Great reaction, no one generally needs or bothered about owning a firearm. I also loved your Deep South accent when mimicking an American haha I’m proud we have very strict controls and our death rate as a result

[@Niki91-HR]

As a Croat I think having a gun should not be a right. But thank God Europe in general doesnt have that fascination with guns like America does. Hopefully that will never change. No one needs a gun. At least not regular people. Also we dont have to be afraid to go to school...

[@jasonmctaggart3766]

As a Brit I could not look past the union flag being repeatedly shown upside down in this video.

[@chris747f]

When the right to bare arms in USA was brought in it was at end of the American civil war which is over 100 years ago I think it needs updating as the guns available at time of civil war guns were single shot but now in USA can get a automatic rifle and it’s so simple to get a firearm it’s way too easy for citizens of the USA it’s the reason why the USA have so many mass shootings and in UK we hardly ever see a shooting

[@bencoatesworth7731]

Being a brit it is crazy for me that you could just walk into a shop and buy a gun like you would a dishwasher or television.

[@joho5955]

Well.. not quite that easily.

[@improvesheffield4824]

For a lot of us Brits it’s strange to think of a society where the public can be armed. It seems to lead to an arms race because people feel they need to carry a gun because other people are. I feel that mindset is a harmful one. Over here nobody’s worrying about some nutter who may be carrying a gun so we feel freer to just be and do what we want without fear.

[@jimmyh6601]

Well put, we have actual freedom due to lack of guns

[@diamond1897]

"The desire to ever own a gun should prohibit you from ever being able to own a gun."

[@sahhull]

Shooting is the only sport where able bodied and the disabled can compete on equal terms

[@joho5955]

Why??????

[@diamond1897]

@@sahhull It's not a sport.

[@madyottoyotto3055]

Never mind that JP what your view what do you think America could do to still allow guns so that the 2ñd amendment could still stand I feel like you shouldn't be able to Carry This wouldn't go against the 2nd amendment And banning the smaller guns means you can't hide them and do things you shouldn't You could still carry them to ranges ect as long as booked in ect ect And you should have to use a vehicle to commute to a hunting ground ect

[@ghiblilove86]

I’m from the uk and the scariest thing I’ve ever seen is a video done about how easy it is to obtain a gun in US. They sent a young male teen into 3 different corner shops, first he went in an asked for cigarettes in 1, adult magazines in another and alcohol in the last, needless to say he was refused. They then sent the same young boy into a gun convention and without any parent accompanying him he was able to buy a rifle of some kind, no checks not even identification or checks he just handed over the money and walked out.

[@dan2178]

That cnn video was faked

[@garyl5128]

@@dan2178 Maybe it was, but with almost 3,000 child deaths from guns every year in the US, they're getting guns or getting shot just as easily.

[@dan2178]

@@garyl5128 where did you get that stat from

[@garyl5128]

@@dan2178 One of the many stat websites out there. Google will find them if you look. This one came up when I just had a look, but there are plenty out there: www.thetrace.org/2019/08/children-teens-gun-deaths-data/ That wasn't the one I stumbled across the last time I looked, but seems consistent with the numbers. The one I remember seeing said 2,900 child gun deaths a year, but that one has over 3,100. This one has a higher number: www.childrensdefense.org/policy/resources/soac-2020-gun-violence/ "In 2017, 3,410 children and teens were killed with guns in America-the greatest number since 1998"

[@dan2178]

@@garyl5128 can't argue thats unacceptable then claim the millions upon millions of abortions are ok. Kids die from obesity. This 3,000 would cease to exist if parents actually cared

[@Nathan-F1]

To be honest I clicked on this video expecting the guy to be preaching about self defence and stuff but he didn’t and I completely agree with him I just think with everyone who has a gun in America it would be so hard to take all the guns off them so they can’t really change the gun laws but to answer your question I’ve seen one gun in my life and that was on holiday so no there isn’t many guns in circulation here

[@newt7705]

I have never wanted to own a gun, neither do I know anyone who has one and I have never even seen one for real.

[@joho5955]

Meaning what exactly... that the government should outlaw something just because someone doesn't like it, well if that were the case everything would be illegal.

[@danielwhite6940]

You’re camera is terrible, looking like you’re filming at 15fps or something, use a dslr

[@likeitout]

The assault rifles he’s referring to at 22 calibre rim fire, are affectively very small calibre rook guns. The round is only marginally larger than an air gun pellet.

[@davedavids57]

WOW THE ABOVE IS COMPLETELY WRONG AND DANGEROUS!!! .22 rim fire is AT LEAST 13x more powerful than any air gun. Look at the 12 people shot dead with a bolt action 22lr by Derrick Bird in Cumbria in 2010. More people are killed by 22 rim fire in the US every year than any other caliber. Also bullet size is irrelevant. The standard bullet fired by the AR-15 is pretty much exactly the same size as a 22lr rim fire (it's .223) it's just going three times as fast. A .22lr rim fire has about 130 ft pounds of energy at the muzzle. In the UK air weapons can't legally fire over 12 ft pounds of energy at the muzzle. So a 22lr is typically at least (no air guns go to the limit) 13 times more powerful. .22lr can kill up to a mile away!!

[@susiepoulter4548]

Why do we need guns? If you live in a part of the world where you need a gun for your safety, as in wild animals or for getting food fine have a gun. We in England know we are safer for not having guns. There are police units that are trained to handle guns in case of emergency, that's reassuring and a deterrent. We are happy our police don't carry guns.

[@650Max]

The desire to own a gun should automatically disbar you.

[@dan2178]

No it shouldn't

[@ducklabsgaming4676]

@@dan2178 Yes, it should.

[@dan2178]

@@ducklabsgaming4676 thats literally means no one can buy a gun. Thats ridiculous

[@nekroneko]

@@dan2178 I think he's trying to say you should only get a licence if you need it for your profession. At least, that was my take on it anyway.

[@dan2178]

@@nekroneko profession? Its for self defense. Northern Ireland even recognizes this

[@derrenwebb4550]

for such a young lad jp, you've got such an old head on young shoulders... why can't more young ens be like you m8

[@ianprince1698]

from this side of the pond would you trust someone who demands a gun? with a gun?

[@benwilliams4091]

i live in england and only game keepers, torys and posh people own shotguns but I know no one that owns a firearm but lots of people including me own shotguns

[@lumpyfishgravy]

I'm glad there are very few guns in circulation in the UK. The numbers speak for themselves. Guns are violence amplifiers. But it would be stupid for the US to try the same thing. Their gun addiction is too far gone. They have to learn to manage it the best they can. Slowly - they are succeeding.

[@crazytanks2001]

Thats exactly what i say they are too far gone and there are too many in America a war would break out if they try to take them

[@WheelieMacBin]

It is also very much about the money to be made from selling guns in the US. The gun lobby is very powerful and protective of its vast profits.

[@dancingclown0006]

I'm American southern state Alabama we love gun and freedom gun 🔫 right not Privilege