American Reacts to Why European Trucks Have So Much MORE Power Than American Trucks

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[@tweetdezweet]

My dad, who is a mechanic, always told me: when an American wants more power he builds a bigger engine, when a European wants more power he makes the engine more efficient... Always seemed there was some merit to that statement 😊

[@chriswilliment3304]

It's true. The euro 1 to 6 now you see the power go up. Somehow they made trucks better for the environment by give trucks more power.

[@modtec1209]

Well, the Detroit DD16 and Scania V8 both have around 16l displacement, while the Scania gets 170hp and 800nm more out of that. Taking the manufacturer claims of mileage, the Scania clocks in at about 27l/100km and the DD16 at 34l/100km. Now both of these are obviously horseshit, manufacturer claims on fuel efficiency are never correct and they will both most likely end up somewhere between 45-60l but still.

[@Skegget1]

@@modtec1209 so the european trucks are more efficient and probably have less emisions? with more power :P how is the cost on buying these trucks compared to eachother? if the eu trucks are more or less same price i cant really see why it would benefit the companys buying american made. just thinking a bit out loud now.. america is a big country, alot of countrys are striving for less emissions and stuff from all vehicles, here in eu/Sweden we have some of the hardest rules and regulations for this. there are already some electric trucks and boats moving around in Stockholm. in Barkarby near Stockholm we have small selfdriving busses that goes around in an area of Barkarby. its pretty funny seing a small red bus coming with no people in it

[@karlgeorgzinn5438]

​@@modtec1209 german here, my colleague had a R730 scania wich was said by scania around 33 Literatur per 100 km. He drove it around 29-30 Literatur per 100. There are much stricter Regulation in the EU, than you think

[@aukeboy1]

​@@modtec1209 well, saying they will use up to 45 to 60 liter per 100km is completly false, most modern truck do use between 20 to 30 liter/100 km hauling normal wieghts/loads on variations of terrains, driving a 450 hp DAF my self, and i'm doing between 20 and 25 liter all day

[@Maricavdven]

I'm a female truck driver in the Netherlands. The Netherlands are flat. But the only 'problem' I encounter is the small and very narrow rural roads I encounter on a daily basis. So narrow that my mirrors on both sides get struck by branches. Even the roads in cities can be very narrow because of parked cars. Sometimes there's 1cm space left between my truck and a mirror from a parked car.

[@PickupthePieces76]

But at least you have a lot of torque.

[@Qwertworks]

Soo how does this work, I’ve wondered for bus drivers as well: When you start out do you get assigned easier route or are you just screwed? 😅 At least I can imagine that it requires lots of experience to navigate tighter roads

[@Nordlicht05]

@@Qwertworks here they made roads narrower that people drive extra slower and now even busses need to brake and hold when they pass each other

[@1ihws]

@@PickupthePieces76 lol, lots of torque, and lots of talk…always a fine combination of vocab on these channels, but the gems are in the comments.😂

[@Ticklestein]

Well, on the plus side, in a couple years you’ll have the cams ipv spiegels.

[@theworldaccordingtochris4370]

It's a standard of 40 tons across Europe on 5 axles yet it's 44 tons on 6 axles in The UK and 46 tons on 6 axles in The Republic of Ireland and you'll see 5 axle rigid "straight" trucks running at 50 tons in Holland but they are REALLY heavy duty. In the Nordic countries like Sweden and Finland they are running really big stuff of over 60 to 90 tons plus.

[@kimreinikainen]

Except 42 tons on 5 axels in Finland

[@zwartepanter8]

@@kimreinikainen in nederland 50t (50000 kg) max that incl. the truck the 25.25m is more thane the 50t

[@kimreinikainen]

@@zwartepanter8 i got 25.25 atm 8 axles max 68 000 kg

[@kimreinikainen]

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[@matsv201]

@@kimreinikainen I´m pretty sure Finland have basically the same rules as in Sweden for sub maximum weight truck. That is typically 8 tons per paired axle or 10 tons per single axle. Where paired axle is any axle that is closer than 2 meter CC. So something like a mobile crane with 5 single axle can be 50 tons. Typically a 5 axle truck is in most cases 2 boggier and 1 single, then the maximum would be 42 tons.

[@janis7077]

Yes, the limit in USA is 80,000 pounds which is 36 tonnes.

[@phoenixsui]

in Switzerlands its 40t. I am not sure if the videos numbers are right. While we are surrounded by EU we don belong to EU. But i thought that Germany also has 40t limits hmmmm.

[@davepb5798]

Or 35.7 tons. The highest allowable weight in Europe is 50 tonnes or 110,700 lbs. (unless you have STGO type exemptions).

[@yanoHull]

It depends on number of axles on vehicle combination. 5 axles (2 on tractor, 3 on trailer) is 40 ton limit. 6 axles (3 on tractor, 3 on trailer) increases it to 44 tons (92000 lb). Just so you know 😉

[@rientsdijkstra4266]

@@phoenixsui In the Netherlands it is 50 tons (112.000lbs), and 60 tons (132.000lbs) for special spec "LZW" roadtrain trucks that are limited to certain roads

[@KristoferOlsson]

@@davepb5798 max weight in Sweden is 74 metric ton. 163 000 lbs.

[@eisikater1584]

Newtonmeters are very convenient because they fit perfectly into the metric system. Horsepowers don't and the official unit actually is kilowatts (1 hp = 0.745 kW). People still use hp because they're used to it.

[@GoldenCroc]

True, but any Newtonmeter number in isolation doesnt matter, as opposed to a power number.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

​@@GoldenCroc Power is torque x angular velocity.

[@martinohnenamen6147]

@@GoldenCroc What do you mean by that? The benefit of a metric unit is that you can easily convert it if you have the desire to do so or if you need to. Nm to Ncm, easy peasy, try that with ft-lbs into inch-lbs ;)

[@GoldenCroc]

@@XtreeM_FaiL Thats a common thinking, but though it is kind of correct it some circumstances, it is a bit to narrow, and that leads to misunderstandings that perpetuate the myth that torque as an isolated number matters for propelling vehicles. It does not. Better would be to say that Torque is a factor if power in rotating IC engines. That different viewpoint makes a difference. Its for example very possible to make lots of power with almost no torque, its also very possible to make lots of torque with very little power. Only one of the two matters when it comes to propelling anything, and that is of course power. Some notable examples would be a jet powered car, a maglev train, a cordless drill, and a fuel powered RC car engine, all extreme examples in the torque/power equation that hopefully serves to illustrate my point quite well?

[@GoldenCroc]

@@martinohnenamen6147 I think you misunderstood my post, I am not strictly talking about Metric vs imperial units at all. It was a bit of non sequitur answer, I admit. I was talking about the myth that still lives on that torque numbers in isolation matters for vehicle propulsion, when its only the power numbers that does. Cheers.

[@jutimatias]

Hi from Finland. I work in cv spare parts and I'd say the basic Scania is 16L 580hp or 630hp, but also a lot of the older 12L 400+hp and newer 13L with +/- 500hp , and the same with Volvo, 480/530 quite common, with some 700+ now and then. About the weights, basic limit for full trailer combo is 76t (we have a lot less semitrailers) but can go up to 104t with special permission. Our trailer combos are also longer, as we have a basic set up of a rigid truck with a cargo chassis of its own + full trailer (anywhere from 3 to 5 axles most commonly) and the combination length is over 25m , about 85ft. Even combinations of 11 axles is not rare these days, after the law changed some years ago. The truck itself is limited to 5 axles. There, I just blurted this out of my system, hope I made some sense.

[@jussikivilahti9334]

Actual permissible lenght of truck+trailer combo is 34,5m

[@stevegray1308]

My friend worked for Scania in Sweden. She custom painted trucks if the buyers wanted them to stand out.

[@jayzhead]

That video was full of errors. Apart from the weight restrictions that others have already corrected in other comments, the consolidation/ownership map of global manufacturers and their brands is really complex. From memory, it goes something like this- * Daimler (Mercedes) owns: Mercedes Benz Trucks (Europe, Asia, Australia), Mitsubishi Fuso Trucks (Global), Freightliner Trucks, Detroit Diesel Engines (North America), Mercedes Trucks and Busses (Brazil), EvoBus (which includes MB busses and Setra busses, Global), Thomas Busses (USA) and a smattering of other smaller manufacturers that I'm forgetting right now. Up until recent unfortunate evens they also owned Kamaz in Russia, but that's pretty much over now... * The Volvo group owns: Volvo Trucks, Renault Trucks (Europe, Asia, Australia), Volvo VNL (North America, formerly Volvo-White), Mack (USA), Volvo Busses (Global), Prevost Coaches (North America), NovaBus (North America) and probably a few smaller ones I'm forgetting. * Paccar owns: DAF (Europe, Asia, Australia), Kenworth and Peterbilt (North America), Irisbus (which includes DAF, Carosa, Renault and Iveco busses, Europe and Asia). * VW group owns VW Trucks (Brazil) and Navistar (North America), and also holds controlling stakes in MAN trucks and Busses and Scania Trucks and busses (Europe Asia and Australia), and up until recently they owned the Belorussian truck manufacturer MAZ. Fiat used to have a heavy truck division - Iveco, but they sold it off to a Dutch holding company called Exor N.V. (hence the DAF+Iveco bus connection). I do not think there is any engine sharing between Volvo and Scania, at least none that I'm aware of. If anything, MAN and Scania are the relatives, both being effectively owned by the Volkswagen group.

[@Notmyname1593]

The shared parts could be something they outsource from another company. Not a rare thing in EU. For example, I had a chat with my Fendt dealer recently and he mentioned that the company that produced the front axels for Fendt took on a contract for military, which complicates things.

[@andrewspence3171]

excellent ! Its amazing how some youtube channels blatantly quote big errors!

[@gvisir]

Exor is a box, is an holding owned by the same who once owned Fiat. Based in netherland it also own things like insurance, luxury shoes, real estate, so that kind of financials objects for rich people to make them richer🙂.

[@magnuslundstedt2659]

You have a great memory. And can update with the info that Scania is 100% owned by Volgswagen group.

[@yasgamer]

The reason Exor is in the Netherlands is because NL is a tax haven for companies and the rich and tax hell for everyone else

[@deank3727]

I’m a truck driver from Ireland. These power figures are for the top end truck the average truck in Ireland is between 450 hp to 500hp about the gross weights it depends on axle configuration the 6x2 with a mid lift axle with air suspension is usually 44 tonnes ! We need to go more in-depth to compare USA trucks to European trucks love the video s

[@kalle5548]

Yup definitely, the main market for the Swedish beasts seems to be here in Sweden, just over the water in Finland and all the way down in Australia

[@pvtj0cker]

Pro tip. You need to add 10ml of Jameson for every L of fuel to unlock the full potential of the engine. It makes the fuel smoother.

[@TotalOpel]

The average truck in Ireland may be between 450 bhp to 500 bhp but there are a serious amount of 770 Scanias wandering around - I've no idea why but for some reason there are operators buying them.

[@VoidCosmonaut]

@@pvtj0cker Jameson selling in Russia right?

[@therighttoreply4849]

​@@VoidCosmonaut Pepsi, being sold in Russia

[@fabianweihe8702]

Fun fact: Detroit Diesel and Freightliner are owned by Daimler Truck (the Bus and Truck devision of Mercedes-Benz) they own the Thomas bus company as well, wich is the oldest still operational Bus Manufacturer in the US.

[@KristoferOlsson]

Volvo owns Mack, Volvo VNL and Renault. Traton/VW owns Scania, Man, Navistar. Paccar owns Daf, Kenworth and Peterbilt. I prob miss something.

[@philipphaupter945]

And Mercedes Trucks is the biggest Truck producer worldwide... They habe the biggest truck production plant worldwide near karlsruhe... 11.000 workers and 400 to 600 trucks on a daily basis

[@janstahl9589]

And the Detroit build Volvo is on licence ? What i know they build Volvo Trucks engine in Sweden. I don't think they are all the same 🤔

[@philipphaupter945]

@@janstahl9589 the engines used in the states in volvo trucks are completely different!

[@janstahl9589]

@@philipphaupter945Thx 👍

[@mhh7544]

The newton meter is a measurement of torque. One newton meter is equal to approximately 0.738 pound-feet. For example, exerting a 1 N force on a door 1 m from the hinges would be a torque of 1 . One newton-metre is the torque resulting from a force of one newton applied perpendicularly to the end of a moment arm that is one metre long.

[@Gazer75]

Keep in mind the European Modular System in some countries which changes the limits and length. For Norway this extends the length to 25.25m and weight to 60t on almost 5300km of the main roads, mostly eastern parts of Norway south of Trondheim.

[@JeroenBteE]

Volvo used to work on the US market with White. DAF with Paccar, Mercedes (Daimler Benz) with Freightliner and Western Star as Daimler truck. So those are as German as it gets 😄😂

[@lmancz]

how metric torque works: imagine 1m long wrench, put the wrench on a bolt, now tie 1kg of weight at the end of the wrench. You just applied 10Nm (10N force at 1m distance) at the bolt! Now imagine having your torque specs for bolts in Nm instead of footpounds and how easy life could be :)

[@rogerrossman5124]

Things have changed a lot in the last 50 years. When I was in Germany in the early 70's there was a section of the Autobahn outside Stuttgart that the German trucks were so slow that even our Army 6X6 would pass them like they were standing still. I was told that they kept the HP to an absolute minimum because they were taxed on the HP rating.

[@dandomine]

German cars are still taxed like this. It is dependant on power and displacement.

[@Catonaut.]

The slow autobahn part still exists if I guess right. It's the A8 east of Stuttgart that goes steep up a mountain with small curves

[@tomast9034]

yep we have here some mountain passes were the trucks 30 years back were slower as me on a bike. now with those 500-600hp they almost just fly over.

[@rogerrossman5124]

The part I was thinking about was the southbound A-81 north of the tunnel. It looks like the tunnel has been lengthened from what it was at that time

[@peter53k]

@@dandomine Sorry, but this is wrong. Cars like sedans etc. are taxed on displacement and CO2 emission. Trucks are taxed on weight in tons and emission classes. Power - that means kW (or convert it to HP) - is only the basis for insurance of cars (sedans or station wagons). For Trucks it is again the weight and the usage, i.e. factory traffic vs. freight transport.

[@roelbrook7559]

I think one of the main reasons might be speed restrictions. In Europe, the speed of a truck is capped at 80 kph. In the US, they are not capped (or, at least higher). Hauling a 100 ton load at 100 kph is considerably more dangerous compared to hauling a 100 ton load at 80 kph.

[@MyRegardsToTheDodo]

I think the differences in terrain also have to do with the density of the population in the US and in Europe. It's way easier to go around a hill or a mountain if the terrain isn't densely populated.

[@eve-llblyat2576]

That is the one point. In europe you can have to build expensive tunnels and bridges or safe money and built inclines. 8% is common, but there are also up to 13% somewhere in europe. The other point is that industrie is scattered all over the place. There are factorys in small villages only acessible by small roads. And 40t trucks have to reach them. In america the max incline in the mountains is 6%.

[@eroticgrimreaper1086]

I am Finnish and in an area of less than one person per square kilometer we still going over the hill

[@captainnutzlos3816]

Here in germany 40tons is the limit, with exemption its 44ton. Special heavy transports are only allowed from 10pm to 4 am with escort.

[@jim-bob-outdoors]

Manufactures in Europe have always got high output from engines. My pickup is only 2.5L TD and 12 years old but produced when new, 190 bhp and over 400 ft-lbs of torque. Not bad for a old school diesel.

[@Dan-fo9dk]

400 torque....??? What kind of measuring unit is that....???

[@jagjay8033]

my 12 year old jag has a 3l twin turbo 350bhp and 750 torque {ft-lbs} 0-60 in 4.8 sec and gets 45mpg

[@jim-bob-outdoors]

@@Dan-fo9dk ft-lbs. in English.

[@michaelsch.668]

@@Dan-fo9dk 400 Newtonmetern

[@Dan-fo9dk]

@@michaelsch.668 Haha....thanks for telling me about Newtonmeter (Nm). I am a physicist so I think I do have some idea about what that is. What I was addressing in my comment was that original comment saying that his pickup had "400 torque" ....which is just nonsense. Torque is not a measuring unit. That is like saying that a distance is 400 distances instead of 400 meter. It remind mostly of a ignorant kid babbling. One might ask how low education level can an adult person show off...????

[@diogomesquita2696]

I am a truck mechanic intern from Portugal and we currently have a man tgx 33.680 in our inventory, a truck with 680hp, 2212 ft lbs of torque and supposedly capable of towing up to 176.000 lbs . It is not that common but it sure is something else. Most common ones we have make between 460hp to 510hp and once in a while a few 580hp trucks come by. We normally work on Man trucks and buses. Greetings and I must say you sure have a great channel, keep up the good work!

[@johnvender]

In Australia the quite common 9 axle b-doubles can have GCM of bit over 60 tonnes (bit over 130 thousand pounds). You're right about the 80k pounds in the States.

[@tomwelch2205]

If it standard it’s 62.5ton and mass it’s 64.5ton and then hml it’s 68ton

[@Bioshyn]

In Germany the weight limit for trucks is 40t, except if the goods are partially transported on rail or water, then it's 44t. Everything above (or longer than 20m) needs a special permit and is categorized a "Schwertransport" and may need a companion vehicle, depending on the size of the load.

[@Mekkiceh]

Roughly the same in France, the weight limit is somewhere between 38 and 44 tons depending the amount of axles. The standard max length is however 16.50 meters or 18.75 meters depending of the vehicle (semi or trailer).

[@atlasz...2155]

You need to try Euro Truck Simulator 2, if you try it you will see what kind of elevation changes the trucks need to overcome mostly on side roads.

[@mikldude9376]

That is a valid point , the higher the elevation the more HP you lose , so having bigger donks to compensate makes sense.

[@fo221]

That Cummings logo was for Cummings Leasing and Truck Repair based in South Florida.

[@chrissmith8773]

The EU cross border weight limit is 40,000 kg on five axles (about 88,000lb). Individual countries can have higher domestic weight limits.

[@eisikater1584]

Germany wanted to raise the limit, but given the sad state of some autobahn bridges, they decided not to.

[@Chris675R]

​@@eisikater1584 It's not just the bridges, the roads are ruined too. In the area where I live, some patches are so bad, that you have to slow down, otherwise you could damage your suspension/wheels. Our infrastructure is as bad as it never was after the war.

[@eisikater1584]

​@@Chris675R Totally agree. They're spending millions of euros into constructing new roads instead of maintaining the ones that are already there, as if roads were built to last forever.

[@fredrikalfson1541]

@@eisikater1584 somewhat true, but as we do in Sweden with 70t is cutting transports by half. That makes the total less damaging to the roads over time. So both for the environment and the budget it makes more sense to use higher payloads.

[@35manning]

Fuel economy can actually be a bit backwards in that sometimes larger capacity engines are actually more efficient if driven correctly. Of course if you take a larger capacity engine and put the pedal to the floor, it will use more fuel, but a more powerful engine allows you to use less accelerator in order to accelerate at the same rate as a less powerful vehicle.

[@tortozza]

The laws of physics dictate that the larger engine will still consume more fuel to accelerate even though you require less of a physical push on the accelerator. Energy doesn't come from nowhere

[@rientsdijkstra4266]

Another mistake in the video: US = 80.000 lbs max (as you said), (about 35 metric tons) Europe: depends on the country, Scandinavia and the Netherlands have quite high limits, 50 metric tons or even 60 metric tons for road trains in the Netherlands.

[@matsv201]

Scandinavia.. or rather Nordic countries have very different from country to country. Denmark use to have 44 tons, just got 60 tons. Finland got 84 tons, Sweden got 72 going to be upgraded to ~90 tons this summer. Norway have something else, like 50 tons or something, don´t remember exactly. Also Finland and sweden have exception roads that have 90+ tons already since 10 year.

[@johnkochen7264]

Consider this, foot is a measurement of distance while pound is a measurement of weight which is a roundabout way of measuring force (mostly by gravity). The Newton is a measurement of force irrespective of gravity. There is no confusion here. The meter is a measurement of distance too but centered around the decimal system which makes doing math easier and more convenient.

[@johnrevell6684]

Generally it’s 44tons some individuals countries like Holland are 50Tons, but you can go higher with special categories. And you must remember that Volvo & Scania have a historical competition where hp is concerned.

[@AlexanderBurgers]

There's also the bit where Germany and Sweden set minimum horsepower/weight figures for trucks because they were crawling up hills so slowly they were causing a trafic hazard. That's what got MB to put a massive turbo on their engine and Scania to go all-in on the V8.

[@msumungo]

In Finland we have 100 (metric) ton trucks. Those come also with extra long trailers. You can see those for example at West Coast 8 road hauling wood chip cargo between towns of Pori and Rauma.

[@1201suddenturn]

exactly, stop and go in EU is much more frequent -> traffic stops, exits, small windy roads…

[@etorepugatti9196]

And those f** roundabouts..

[@conexant51]

I know very little about trucks. What I do know is that the sound of a Scania engine is the best I've heard when it comes to trucks. It's so distinct and fierce sounding.

[@fingimygig]

I’ve been a truck driver for many years, tractors (front part of semi) average 12 litres up to 16 litres for some of the more specialised vehicles that run terrain and of course your wreckers. Trailer lengths are generally standardised at 45 feet for curtain siders and boxes, but lately there are a few 54 foot trailers out there which can carry extra 4 pallets.. Skeleton container trailers now are generally 40 feet extendable to 44 feet .Generally trailers have 3 axles with super single tires (instead of your twin tired axles and have air suspension which allows for carrying more weight and damages roads less than sprung trailers, a system the Americans should take a serious look at. Trailers can be raised and lowered when docking. Tractors also have air sprung rear axles but utilise the twin tire sets and/ or an air lift axle (also fitted to some “tri” axle trailers) to up the carrying capacity. Also these lift axles on some trucks steer in tandom where others are fixed. Scania is famous for its steering lift axles known as China axles. The last 20 years has seen the biggest changes in my life. Disc brakes on trucks and trailers and I started with up to 18 gears with range changers and overdrives on underpowered tractors, but now the gearboxes are fully automatic 6 speeds only with auto range change giving 12 forward speeds, with manual paddle change option. The RPM of the engines usually max out around 2300 rpm so torque is key. Gas mileage is difficult to calculate as your US gallon is smaller than ours, I am old skool . Using imperial gallons generally depending on load and driver 6 to 10 mpg loaded and 10 to 15 with an empty box trailer. Hope this helps, sure some one will contradict me on some stuff, but you will get the picture.

[@markchapman1757]

Not automatic, automated manuals,still a clutch,but no clutch pedal. All done with actuators.

[@crewealex1125]

Another thing about the geography in Europe is how densely packed everything is. This gives way more time spent stopping and starting, and much less pinned on the limiter.

[@mynameisnobody3931]

I think it is basically up to that Europe is generally more mountainous. Although the highest mountains is actually in USA, the topography in Europe is generally more rugged and mountainous.

[@JeanPineau44]

If you have trouble with Nm : Imagine you have a 10kg dumbbell (most can lift). Now extend your arm forward, hold it at arm's length. It's quite difficult, but definitely possible. Your shoulder joint is experiencing 10*9.8*1= about 100Nm. That torque is good enough to get a bike moving quite quickly, too small for a a car. Add a couple dumbbells, now the car moves. Add another 5 dumbbells, now the pickup truck moves. Add another 10 dumbbells, your semi moves. Add another... 2000 dumbbells, now your cargo ship moves :D

[@mikaelwerner8146]

Here in Sweden you need it 60 tons totally must have trucks with power and the terrain can actually be brutal in some places

[@Dan-fo9dk]

Like where in Sweden is it "brutal" terrain....??? Maybe you mean the in the alps in Skåne...???

[@einar8019]

@@Dan-fo9dk perheaps in this placed called the scandinavian mountains

[@mikaelwerner8146]

@@Dan-fo9dk Du är väl svensk som jag förstår det men du vet väl bäst då för där jag bor med lsterna dom kör så går det åt och dessutom ju starkare motor dessto mindre bränsle går det åt Japp så är det

[@paulmakinson1965]

It is easy to calculate your torque in Newton meter by dividing your power output in Watts by the rotation speed in revolutions per second multiplied by 2*Pi (the number of Radians in a full rotation). This formula is intuitive if you know that power is an amount of work divided by the time it took to do it. And work is a force exerted over a certain distance (like a horse pulling a cart over a certain distance). Once you know this, it does not require the use of constants to correct for funky units. Making physical calculations in IU units (international units) is way simpler.

[@FaithlessDeviant]

The trucks I usually see are 450-550hp ones here in Denmark only hauling one trailer. I believe you need to haul two trailers to make sense to have those high powers ones or specialty transports for mining equipment etc.

[@MrRossi1805]

In Europe, the Standard weight is max. 38 metric tons! The other weight mentioned is over load / over height / broadloom trucks - this is not standard or regular

[@omega3556]

Big thumbs up from a Dutch viewer. If you like big powerfull trucks you may have heard of the DAF 'Turbotwin' that competed in the Dakar rally from 1986 to 1988. It uses two identical diesel engines and its final version has a rumored top speed of 125 mph.

[@roglar]

Where I live in Sweden a mining company are transporting stuff with 90 ton trucks on public roads.

[@alexpostma645]

I am a truck driver in the Netherlands I got a max capesitie of 50 tons= 110.000 Lb the fuel/ Miles is roughly the same as in the United states of American as I have learned from a American truck driver in the states on tiktok

[@Beam-lj4mm]

hay.I am a German truck driver.I drive a Scania S500NexGen. 13,000cc. 500 hp at 1900 rpm. total weight, Truck + trailer, approx. 14.5 tons payload, approx. 25.5 tons. I drive a standard trailer. In Germany you are allowed to weigh a maximum of 40t. Containers and special transports are excluded.

[@chemieingenieur6536]

The Standard GCWR for trucks in the EU is 40 metric Tons, about 88185lbs. In combined distribution it can be up to 45 Tons, 99208lbs. In Scandinavia it could be, not sure, 60 Tons. There is a Initiative for Euro-Combi, 60 Tons around all the EU, but not legalised yet. At the End, 500HP/1900lbf ft has become the low end of daily long distance trucks in the EU. 600HP/2350lbf ft has become normal and over 650HP/2600lbf ft is nothing to mention about, just a truck. You need the power, going up a 5% grade for 10 miles on a highway with max. 25-28 mph isn't that nice, but doing it with 400HP with 10-12mph is pain in your what ever.

[@BrimirMe]

The byfjord tunnel on the main road trough southwestern Norway, has a 8% gradient for almost 3km each way to 223m below sea-level. On the regional roads there, there are even deeper and steeper tunnels. Don't be caught lacking.

[@IanDarley]

To convert HP to KW or lb/ft to Nm (roughly) divide by 1.35. To go the other way multiply by 1.35

[@BradGryphonn]

I grew up using ft/lb for torque doing mechanical work, so in that context, I can relate to foot/pound easier than Newtonmeters. However, my new torque wrenches have both measurements so I'm learning to use Nm. As for vehicle torque and horspers, I am easy with both measurements.

[@quantisedspace7047]

It's not a foot/pound. It is a foot pound. A foot/pound is what you would get if you DIVIDED length by force. Torque is distance MULTIPLIED by force, so it's a foot pound, analogously with "Newton metre"

[@BradGryphonn]

@@quantisedspace7047 Fair enough. My mistake with my grammar.

[@basdevries27]

Lol Stef Stuntpiloot is a drinking game in the Netherlands

[@HRM.H]

I once got to hear one of the Scania 770s on the highway, they sound absolutely insane.

[@Schmokkie1984]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/q4fKf4OVf5efiKM thats my favorite sound video Scania R950 hehe

[@Sadgrim]

As truck driver in Europe, i can put here some numbers. I drive 2012 Volvo semi. 13 litre engine with 460 hp. It has it has mileages 768 000. Average consumption is about 8.4 mpg.. my cargo is liquid, cargo weigh is around 24 000 - 28 000 kg. Whole truck loaded is 40 000 - 44 000 kg. Some one who is driving in US, can use this to compare. 2020 and newer trucks have lower mpg. In our company we have 2018 volvo 500 hp consumption is around 9-9.5 mpg.

[@ElmarLecher]

There is no "one" law for maxweight in Europe. For germany and most of the central european states its either 40, 44 or 48 tons, depending of type of truck, axles and some other details. The Netherlands has indeed 60 tons for the extralong trucks and i know in scandinavia it goes up to the values mentioned in the video, mostly for Wood Roadtrains.

[@tomjoad1363]

Plus in germanic countries like Austria you have to strap your load with a strap each meter. Drivers at work needs 20 minutes to fully open both sides of their trailers. And in France you need to have some stickers about blind spots.

[@ilkkak3065]

Here in Finland many trucking companies run their trucks 24/7 over 200k miles/years. I used to drive one trip wich took 4,5 hours one way on FH 440hp on 60 000kg total weight. Later I drove FH16 750hp on 76000kg total weight same trip. It took only 4 hours one way, so my day was 1 hour shorter. If you count it 1 hour per shift, 2 shift per day 360 days per year it makes 720 hours more driving time for truck. That's one month worth of working hours... And yes multiple drivers I was one of them.

[@robertlussenburg1770]

The limit is indeed 80,000 pounds and your also right about the name Cummins.

[@GoldenCroc]

Yep, not the best video. Also, torque figures doesnt matter, thats an old misunderstanding. Power is what does.

[@mikldude9376]

@@GoldenCroc torque is what gets you off the line and up the hills bud , do you think a 1500 horsepower formula one car could pull 40 ton truck ? The answer is clearly no .

[@GoldenCroc]

​@@mikldude9376 Funny thing is that the answer is actually yes, it would do just fine. "Torque" is a simply a factor of power as made by rotating IC engines, and over time people have gotten a correlation as a causation, just as with many other things. "Torque" as per the definition of the word, is a "byproduct" in this context. Nothing unusual about that, happens to lots of things, and in this case its in reality power and power alone that matters. What most people really mean when they say "torque" though is "low rpm power" so their thinking is reasonably correct, even if they use the wrong word.

[@muylae]

consider this, tanks (the military type) can weigh up to 80 tons and when they need to be moved over long distances, they put em on trucks ...

[@Naeron66]

That is primarily because tracked vehicles damage road surfaces unless you fit special tracks, fuel economy is not great and maintenance intervals are shorter.

[@DKC0994]

Nice Content! I'd so much love to drive a W900 around here but its turning circle is just too wide to comfortably move around some goods with it here in Germany.. Not the biggest fan of 3-Point turns but i love hearing the CAT Diesel though

[@AcenzioGaming]

Fun fact, Scania is technically part of Saab. Saab-Scania was formed on 19 December 1968 through a merger of Saab AB and Scania-Vabis. The company was dissolved during the 1990s when the passenger car division Saab Automobile was formed in 1990 and became part of General Motors and Scania AB and Saab AB became independent companies in 1995.

[@darenzy]

You were right about weight limits, video creator lost himself in conversations. 90 and 104 tones in Europe is extremely rare, perhaps only in Finland and Sweden rest of Europe it's 40/44 tones on regular, 5 axle setup anything above 50 mostly requires "special transport" with more axles. Interesting facts, Magirus/IVECO had a nice V8 back in the day, MAN as well had 680 V8 which was discontinued not long ago, not sure if Mercedes still uses V8, but they do have interesting V6 engines in their trucks.

[@tharos3969]

Mercedes uses Detroit Diesel Inline 6Cyl Engines in their Trucks. You can choose between the DD10,DD12 or DD16 which varies from 330hp to 630hp. The V6 and V8 Engines were in the older Mercedes Actros MP3 which was build until 2014.

[@martinwebb1681]

Darko Darenzy ... Unlike most other European countries here in the UK its 44 tonnes on 6 axles set up.

[@Headhunter-5000]

This guy messed up the foot-pounds and newton-metres numbers. At the beginning he said 3700 foot-pounds and later 3700 newton-meters

[@wernerr.5532]

Dear IWrocker, I recently started to follow your channel. I am really interested on your thoughts and reactions regarding the countless comparisons between the U.S. and Europe. Have you ever considered to travel through Europe, giving yourself the oppurtunity to witness all the great things you are talking about? If so, take a rest in Austria, you won't regret it! 😁

[@AlbandAquino]

In France you can have 24T (48000 lbs)with one axle on the trailer, 36T (72000) with 2 and 41/42T with 3. The combined weight with the tractor can't be over 45T. At least for regular logistic.

[@ft3917]

in europe there is a 2 liter 3 cylinder motor, with 600 hp, and only weight about 50 kg. the motor also is sweedish

[@ehsnils]

Koenigsegg.

[@simonhirschmugl5134]

I can only talk for Austria an Germany, but horse power is more commonly used in normal conversations.

[@volvofreak86]

In Sweden, the highest legal road weight depends on the classification of the road itself, winter time most roads are BK1 i think and takes 74 tons, otherwise only good main roads do, and one road have 90 tons max legal weight but most cargo truck have between 35 to 50 total weight

[@matsv201]

It will be changed 1 of July this year to something higher, don´t remeber exactly what it was.

[@kalle5548]

Fun fact, In Sweden a 15 year old with a moped license (AM) can drive a 60ton 770hp semi truck legally, the truck just has to be limited to 30km/h and re-registerd as a tractor

[@Zerashadow]

Bara på gotland xD

[@woodworkshop01]

EPA

[@sjors9110]

Many of the engines in Europe are also put into usa trucks, Mercedes-Benz engines are sold in the USA as Cummins, daf engines are paccar engines, and Mack has a joint with Renault

[@macdonaldjohnstonfan]

You have no idea what your talking about. Cummins engine’s are Cummins engine’s, recent Mercedes and Detroit engine’s are the same and Mack and Renault are owned by Volvo and run Volvo derived engine’s.

[@sjors9110]

@@macdonaldjohnstonfan thank you for the better explanation I thought I had it clear in my mind but apparently I was wrong.

[@etorepugatti9196]

@@macdonaldjohnstonfan Yes, Volvo purchased RVI(Renault véhicules Industriels) when they sold their car branch. Renault bought Mack Truck in the early 80's and was then in the balance. Renault sold his truck branch when they take out Nissan.

[@jarrusjenkins]

Here in the UK we are allowed (in normal conditions) to run up to 44tonnes (which is roughly 97,000lbs) on a semi truck with 6 axles.

[@Spidouz]

11:40 ABSOLUTELY!! That’s a good thing to be different and we should do everything we can to conserve our uniqueness, regardless our differences. Very too often, people see differences as a way of conflict, but it doesn’t have to be. We can just learn to live with people that are just different from us, and it’s all fine.

[@mat_jas]

in general the weight limit is 40 metric tons in the bigger part of Europe. Anything heavier requires a "convoi exceptionell" designation and individual road permit

[@Wolf-ln1ml]

...or a combined freight thingy where the majority of the freight unit's journey if on rail or ship, and the linear distance the truck has to travel is at most 150km, in which case the limit is 44t. I've driven dozens of those loads.

[@themetalslayer2260]

most of time trucks on the both sides of the ocean are about 450hp 770hp Scanias are really expensive so they're rare like nearly all trucks over 550hp (the average trucks in europe are 500hp but a lot of trucks are under 450hp) i drove a volvo FH 540 during one week and it was a beast in most of european countries the limits are 44tons for a 5 axles (tractor + trailer) and 38 tons for a 4 axles (tractor + trailer) 38 tons are from old regulations . I don't know where in europe we can have 60 tons limit except in scandinavia (but they're forbidden in the rest of europe) Mack trucks and Renault trucks were associated and they putted a Mack V8 on a Renault Magnum AE

[@theworldaccordingtochris4370]

770hp Scania'a are NOT rare in Europe. In Ireland there are trucking companies who collect milk from farms with 770hp Scania'a.

[@sebikkos]

@@theworldaccordingtochris4370 i have never seen a V8 scania in Czech Republic here are rare

[@mikaelwerner8146]

You know what you talking about ? here in sweden Scania and Volvo have that horse power since many years

[@MrJamesBanana]

Mack and Renault are still associated, since both are owned by Volvo.

[@mikaelwerner8146]

@@MrJamesBanana Ma ck and Scania is cooperating since longe time back i know that becase i was there when Mack try and buy Scania

[@fermitupoupon1754]

Contrary to what some people will argue, torque is actually a pretty pointless figure when it comes to an engine. Power is what actually matters. Because torque can be made in a gearbox. Power = torque * rpm (I'm over simplifying, I know). So if you have say 10 torque at 100 rpm, that makes 1000 power. No matter what you do in a gearbox, if you put in 10 torques at 100 rpm, you will only ever get out 1000 power. However if you put in that 1000 power, at 100 rpm on the output you will have 10 torques. Change gears and still put in that 1000 power, at 20 rpm on the output you will have 50 torques. Hence torque can be made in a gearbox and power must be bought at a gas station.

[@fredrikalfson1541]

As we do in Sweden with 70t is cutting transports by half. That makes the total less damaging to the roads over time. So both for the environment and the budget it makes more sense to use higher payloads.

[@markhutton6824]

OMG look at the Australian Road Trains... those things are INSANE!!!

[@Tom-Lahaye]

Good review of that video. It does indeed contain some errors. Staring with the weights, in the US it is indeed in general 80.000lbs (36 metric ton), in some states they allow higher gross weights up to 129.000lbs (58 metric ton), so an extra or heavier trailer can be added (axle loads are still 20.000lbs and tandem axle 36.000lbs however). The maximum gross weight is 50 metric ton in general across Europe, but there are some exceptions. Switzerland had a 28 ton limit to discourage trucks crossing the country on international routes by road, and to get them on piggyback trains instead. But they now have a 40 ton limit. In the Nordic countries and since a few years in the Netherlands on approved routes longer and heavier trucks can be used, they are like small road trains with a semi trailer and a normal trailer behind that or with a special articulated semi trailer, and can weigh up to 60 ton in Netherlands and between 60-90 ton in the Nordic countries. The idea behind these is to get fewer trucks on the roads moving the same tonnage, so less pollution, congestion and drivers needed. You were right about Scania and Volvo being rivals, they don't share engine lines. Volvo sells trucks under their own brand now in the US, but the US and EU model lines are still separate. Paccar owns the brands Kenworth, Peterbilt, DAF (Netherlands) and Leyland (UK). Mercedes is active in South America. As far as my knowledge goes Scania doesn't have agencies or dealerships in the US, Some may have imported Scania trucks privately but I have never seen one in any video made in the US. But the V8 sounds awesome, especially with open pipes.

[@11thhussars61]

The Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) of an American tractor+trailer+load is 80000 lbs/40 US tons, 40 US tons is 36.3 Metric tonnes. The MAM of European tractor+trailer+load is 44 Metric tonnes = 97003 lbs/48.5 US tons.

[@cedricserieys9768]

Many years ago, Mack belonged to Renault. Now Renault belongs to Volvo. It's no surprise to see Volvo and Mack working together today.

[@shlinn]

Best part of the imperial system is that its defined in metric. The definition of an inch within imperial i 1/12 foot, and one foot is 12 inch causing them to vary from region to region. So when they standardiced them they used metric to define them. Edited: typo (not english native, so probably more that I missed)

[@Twikiy]

if i remember correctly, the limit is 40 Tn, for more weight you need a special permit

[@teropiispala2576]

I have other theory. Not so long ago, Americans didn't care fuel efficiency at all. It seemed to be totally opposite and large consumption seemed to be a goal in design. Maybe 20 years ago, a friend on mine ordered 6.5l long model, raised chevy van. When he drived it from the port, highway consumption was about 40l/100km. It's much more than full loaded European semi. He had it. In service 3 times and consumption dropped into 16-20l/100km. Same time, similar sized Mercedes or Ducato was happy with 8l/100km. So, in US, raising power did increase consumption so much that lower power option was often chosen when Europeans made engines with wide efficiency range and higher power was only small compromise. And by the way, the myth of torque is not true. It's the power which provides acceleration. The trick is to use available power in rpm area which is actually used. Power is rpm times torque. Engine maximum power don't matter if it's available only in very high rpm, which is not used. That's why maximum torque often gives better idea of usable power reserves. It's typically closer to practical rpm values.

[@Finderskeepers.]

EU roads have evolved often from cart tracks with some 1000's of years old unlike the US. Also the EU is far more densely built off these roads and more urbanised leading to more stop start driving. The extra hp & torque helps with acceleration to address these issues and keeps ALL traffic moving

[@MK-xc9to]

In Germany its usual 40 / 44 Tons , but on some routes they test the so called " Gigaliner" = 60 Tons , but those are not allowed to drive everywhere , they are simply to long . And you are right its 80 000 lbs usually in the USA which is a weired Measurment ... ;) = 36,287 tons

[@Xantec]

80 tonnes is wrong, it is 80,000lbs (around 36 metric tonnes) Europe is 40 tonnes for a 5 axle truck, 44 tonnes for a 6 axle truck 60 tonnes for a scandinavian eco combi (9 axles 25.25m truck) 104 tonnes for a Finnish HCT (two semi trailers like a Turn pike double)

[@karlgeorgzinn5438]

Horsepower is the nummer that tells how much you can crash in to a wall, the Newtonmeter tells you, how much you can move the wall ☝🏼😂

[@chrisdavis7229]

I'm in Australia and drive a 700hp mack at 62.5 tons. My truck can legally tow 90 tons. Some of our trucks tow 120 tons

[@lucsurmon2623]

As a retired french truck driver I can tell you that the average horse power of our semi trucks is between 450 and 520. The 750 and 770 are extremely rare.

[@Why-D]

In the German law it is defined, that a truck at least has 7 horse powers per (metric) ton, but all engines are stronger. It would be very interesting, which engines need more fuel or less.

[@reboundtmp8066]

2:32 Mistake here. European engines can have up to 3700 Nm and not ft-lbs of torque which is about 2730 ft-lbs

[@loochan325]

About the Nm. N is the unit of force, and the older one was Kgf. 1Kgf = 9.80665 N being related to Earth gravitational force. The unit for torque is Nm so 1Kgf on a 1m lever is 9.80665 Nm. The conversion is close to 10 so pretty easy. If you read the specs in Nm, 10 Nm is just a little over 1Kgf on a 1m lever, (1.019716213 kgf). And because 1m lever can be alien to people with wrenches, you can multiply by 5X for a 20cm lever or 8" wrench , so 10 Nm is 5.098581...Kgf on a 20cm or 8" lever. But beside that, engine torque is not the same with wheels torque, coz' beside some losses we also have gears that reduce the speed but increase the torque. And also on a drill driver the so coled hard torque is not in the speed 1, and soft torque is not in the speed 2. The soft torque is the normal max sustained torque in speed 1, and rhe so coled hard torque is just converted from one impact at hard stop in shock in speed 2 from max RPM with small load, from inertia, momentum and kinetic energy in relation with the speed squared, but before that impact the max torque in speed 2 is soft torque in speed 1 / (max RPM speed 2/ max RPM speed 1), so 3-4+X lower then normal soft torque. Some have 3 or 4 speeds gears but it's the same thing, soft torque is in speed 1 and that's the max sustained torque. Hard torque is real but most of the time is "good" to break scews and the stuff you work on, and also is mostly used as marketing BS.

[@alexlycan8]

6:34 when he’s saying 80 Tons, he’s using the US Tons, as 80 US Tons is accounted as 80,000lbs from my knowledge.

[@GeweerBeer]

the main difference for using lbs/ft vs Nm is that pound is a measurement of weight, where Newton is a force. Newtons are the same here as they are on Mars, where the pound changes. Besides that, the way of measuring torque is pretty much the same. The force applied over a set distance. 1 pound of force (weight technically) moving 1 foot, vs 1 Newton moving 1 Meter. After a quick search: US trucks have a weight limit of 80.000lbs (40USTons, 36MT(Metric tons, 1MT = 1000Kg)). in Europe it varies a bit, the lowest being 36MT (80.000lbs, 40USTons), though most are around the 40MT (88.000lbs, 44USTons) mark, and the highest are at 50MT (110.000lbs, 55USTons).

[@MeroxNorway]

80,000 pounds Federal limits are 80,000 pounds gross vehicle weight, 20,000 pounds on a single axle, and 34,000 pounds on a tandem axle group. There are also Federal standards for length and width on the National Network (NN). The NN comprises the Interstate and certain roadways designated by the States.

[@Alex57010]

As a truck driver in Europe I can tell that the main reason for the powerful trucks is the road, expecially in Spain, France, Italy and some parts of Germany you can have hills that "never" end and in some the speed that the truck cam go at full gas is 30-50 km/h, but is also because of the aerodynamics and the ofter very short highway incorporation where you have to reach 80-90 km km/ h in a very very short distance...

[@diwe9984]

The Volkswagen truck division is called TRATON SE, Traton includes Scania, MAN, Navistar and Volkswagen Truck & Bus - so it is not surprising that, for example, Scania and MAN share some data and parts, even if these brands do Competitors in the global heavy-duty and large engine sectors are.

[@TangoSuckaa1]

Here in the UK it’s 44t MGW (Maximum gross weight). Obviously you can be heavier but you then need permits etc.

[@ehsnils]

Emission control regulations makes for the cooperation on some parts while other parts are unique. However Volvo, Mack and Renault are in the same family while Scania and MAN are in another family so I think that there are some misconceptions in the video you watched.

[@florians.1905]

I think usually it´s 40,000 kgs (gross vehicle weight) - at least for Austria. Yet there is an exception for trucks that transport logs - they are allowed up to 44,000 kgs

[@wazwulf2698]

Longer Heavier Vehicles are not currently allowed to operate on UK roads because they exceed the mandated limit of six axles and 44 tonnes (43.3 long tons; 48.5 short tons) of gross weight and length of 16.5 m (54 ft 2 in) for articulated lorries, or 18.75 m (61 ft 6 in) for drawbar lorries.

[@paulricketts5657]

I'm a mechanic, and I can confirm with you that a more powerful engine gives better mileage

[@tamsyndavis784]

Think our biggest engine factors are emissions. Not sure what American systems are like, but the exhaust on my Merc Actros has a £15k exhaust system that breaths out fresh air and averages 8mpg. Feels gutless. Its supposed to have power, I just haven't found it yet. The 4x4 system has proved to be amazing in the snow though.

[@marcioceia3608]

I love the sound of the Scania V8 just a monster ❤

[@jurgenolivieira1878]

"Cummings Leasing, Inc. is a full-service transportation provider offering transportation resources, contract maintenance, and fleet service."