AMG’s Hybrid Assault Begins! 843BHP GT63S E Performance! Full Review 2023

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At 635BHP, few have ever left a GT63S and said: that needs more power. Except maybe AMG, who took the world’s fastest 4 seat 4 door on the ring, and gave it an F1 derived 843 BHP hybrid power train.
This is the GT63S E Performance, carrying the same model designation as Lewis and George’s F1 car, it is the first car from AMG we get to drive that gives us a glimpse at every significant future car, which will almost all make use of the P3 Hybrid system this car has.
I’ll show you the tech, the new interior driver controls, the insane mix of EV and V8 sound, before we launch control the car onto Spanish roads and see what the future looks like.
The big flagship cars by #AMG coming in this new generation are almost all going to pair combustion with electric power in some form. The most powerful of those will use the type of system this GT63S E is going to show us in full force today!
That includes the top flagship versions of the new SL, S63 and every other big name to follow. As well as the next C63 and GLC63 with a 4 cylinder version, using even more AMG ONE hypercar tech.
So what is this P3 Hybrid? It pairs an AMG combustion engine with a hybrid system, developed with F1 and the Project one. This GT uses the awesome 4.0 AMG V8.
An engine that when used in isolation gives the current #MercedesAMG GT63S 635BHP and a 0-60 of 3.2 seconds.
This hybrid V8 GT, eclipses this with System power of up 843 BHP, 1400NM of torque, and zero-60 of 2.9 seconds
So, how does it all work?
First the engine changes: we have the same 4.0 V8. Where they added a belt-driven starter-alternator (BSG) which combines the alternator and starter in one component, and gives an output of 14 hp.
Then the big and clever change : the Electric Drive Unit or EDU. This is the electric motor, unlike having the electric motor in-between the combustion engine and transmission which is more typical, AMG have installed a super clever unit on the rear axle instead!
This compact unit houses some key things within it, firstly: the E-Motor itself which is a permanently excited one. There is also a 2 speed transmission where the 2nd gear is for higher speeds and finally a more familiar limited slip differential. Power is managed in a totally variable way, meaning both ICE and Electrical power can be sent to any wheel as required. In this set up, the EDU operates independently of the transmission, so it’s more efficient.
Theres a full EV mode possible too up to 130 km/h, it’s normally rear-wheel drive, but power can be sent to the front wheels via the cardan and drive shafts
Next: The AMG Performance battery! This is an always alive system, directly out of F1, and delveloped by High Performance Powertrains (HPP) Formula 1 engine forge in Brixworth and Mercedes-AMG in Affalterbach. Tech is shared with the HyperCar ONE.
This is a 400VOLT battery, with 560 cells and can provide continuous power of 93BHP, Or 201 BHP at peak for 10 seconds! This is added to the V8 engine’s base power!
It weighs 89KG which gives it a power to weight density of 1.7kw, which is double that of traditionally cooled systems.
The entire system adds around 200KG weight compared to the GT63S.
The new SL seems like it’ll benefit from a similar system, and the same is true of the upcoming S63. I wonder if the upcoming new gen of the GT 2 door will get it too? Hmm.
Will it be worth it? We’ll find out today.
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[@Tommmmmmmmmmmm]

They definitely need to design their next generation of cars from the ground up with this hybrid system in mind. That way they can better integrate it without the car becoming too overweight, make the packaging more efficient and no silly charger placements. Say what you want about hybrid tech and down sizing of engines, this stuff is cool as hell and here to stay.

[@memememine1]

I might be in the minority but atleast to me the v8 sound and the electric sound together sounded really cool. I feel like I'd enjoy listening to that every day.

[@bryanbanxs]

facts! totally agree ✨ it sounds like a spaceship cause it is!

[@florian_d]

I hope the S63 and C63 will be out soon, over 1,5 years without an AMG Version is too long for an s class

[@sahilshergill7278]

I’m still so happy with my ‘18 c63s. But I think the time has come to upgrade to the e63s as the c63s has started to appreciate here in Toronto so I’ll be selling it for a great price with a renntech r3 tune on it. The brand new e63s should be here in the summer so super excited! I’m looking forward to a new S63 would be nice but im not so happy with the downsized c63 cylinders. We purchased the 2022 s580 recently and it’s beautiful so the 63 version is gonna be insane

[@GravityDefyingFlowerOfKent]

13:53 Seems like they got an owl trapped in there :D

[@Sergesedd22]

🤣🤣

[@plutodestroyer12]

you just had to remind me they’re making a c63 with a 4 cylinder. ruined my day

[@dheevesh16]

Doesn’t matter to me if it’s fast and drives well!

[@CopyCat_OG]

The sound of the V8 makes laugh with joy 😊 can't be matched

[@Madarauchiha86]

same bruh depressing

[@petejr7583]

This GT is an amazing car! I’m all for hybrid power, but leave the 4 cyl version with the A-class. Lost all interest in the ‘23 C63.

[@Sebastian_Daniels]

STOP CRYING OVER THE AMG C Class, it is, along with the GT, AMG's BIGGEST MISTAKES! Realise or regret this.

[@GeneraLigma]

No thank you to any of these AMG hybrids... Like the ownership costs after warranty weren't already high enough on an AMG....I can only imagine what these things with a much more complicated hybrid system would cost to fix down the road. Not to mention it completely ruins the whole point of having an ICE powered AMG. They should have just made the normal gas variants for as long as possible then release the EQ versions which are inevitable anyway.

[@CLS63AMGS]

You’re nuts!

[@CLS63AMGS]

“The GT63S doesn’t need more power” also nuts who cut this guys balls off?

[@GeneraLigma]

@@CLS63AMGS How so? Unlike most of the people commenting on how "sick" this is, Im an actual customer who is concerned about the longevity of these things. Im waiting for my G63 which could end up being a MY23 and I sure as hell hope it doesn't get this hybrid system.

[@crispyrat2778]

@@GeneraLigma MY23 G63 will be getting the V8 with EQ Boost, same drivetrain as the GLS63

[@roxiebkdime5224]

the production quality and editing on your videos are absolutely amazing. the gt amg looks like a really nice car was trying to decide on one vs the cls. love th body style on both .

[@daveking77]

Fully agree with your verdict, makes more sense on smaller engine. But even then, current cell technology has too low an energy density so adds a lot of weight.

[@DanielSadjadian]

It’s so cool to have F1 tech in a road car, AMG are killing it 👍🔥

[@Nickbaldeagle02]

Traction control is F1 tech that has made it to road cars. Anti lock brakes too.

[@trader5920]

@@Nickbaldeagle02True true

[@jamesh1345]

Money clip starting at 18:04...Wow!! For a sedan weighing that heavy that's pretty quick!

[@marcnobel3938]

I waited for that Video! Great like always! - THX for the afford.

[@sapnupuas7271]

Love this car! looks and sounds amazing for todays regulations. The charging port is weird tho. The only thing i wished for was some weight saving. Maybe a carbon fibre hood or stuff like that. Even just as an option it would be nice to have.

[@deenothru]

Love the video always brother Raz

[@beast9021]

YESSSS!!! Been waiting all year for this

[@Zach-wz4sb]

looks cool but i'm still mad they killed the C63

[@An.Individual]

I find the problem with IC cars is turbo lag and gearbox lag when kicking down. I wanted to hear him say that AMG have fixed the lag problem with this hybrid.

[@murazai2000]

Porsche turbo s almost has no turbo lag

[@An.Individual]

Now seen in another review that this AMG system does NOT deliver the instant punch of a full EV. I'm a bit dissapointed.

[@kunalmore5212]

843 hp and all that F1 tech and yet still slower than an M5 CS 🤣🤣 brilliant. Can’t wait for the M4 CSL (a whole class below) humble this big brut AMG

[@makatron]

The M5CS sounds insane on paper and even more in real life. And still has more usable space than this.

[@cazantrabant519]

M4 cs will be pretty close to the m5cs performance

[@kunalmore5212]

@@cazantrabant519 yeah + light weight because it’s not going to be a CS (my mistake in the comment) it’s actually going to be a CSL!!

[@cazantrabant519]

@@kunalmore5212 the csl will be even more insane

[@kunalmore5212]

@@cazantrabant519 oh hell yeah

[@The_Stanman]

Great review. Really appreciate the insight, good and bad.

[@nicogoliath4902]

I've been waiting to see a review on this beauty

[@lav773]

Best car reviews by a mile 👌

[@spewp]

This car is so ridiculously complex, can you imagine what repairing this thing out of warranty will cost? The months (years?) one might have to wait for parts? As the owner of a GT, I've learned the hard way a small problem on a Mercedes turns into a massive ordeal once you need parts from Mercedes.

[@L77yma]

That’s got to be Portugal, Algarve is beautiful 😃. The production of this video is unreal, Well done to you both

[@BernardMina]

Having just watched all the way through stoked to see what the gt63s will be excited what that will show

[@Prof.Dr.Diagnose]

Sounds like you‘ve trapped pigeons inside the exhaust when you rev it

[@BIGGELATO]

22:25 I was thinking the same, about the new C63 that'll come out, I'm now kind of excited for the 4 cylinder hybrid which is crazy to say that as I'm writing it lol. But I believe the V8 belongs in the larger AMGs

[@blazesmooth5573]

u belive wrong, the c63s were borned for v8s, how are we gonna make fun of bmws for having an i6s when we're switching to 4 pots

[@BIGGELATO]

@@blazesmooth5573 BMWs are converting to EV quicker than Mercedes, were lucky to even still have ICE AMGs rather than EVs... Look at the bright side of things instead!

[@rks-bh6tb]

​@@BIGGELATOI would have an electric over that 4 cylinder it's not even loud

[@BIGGELATO]

@@rks-bh6tb at least the 4 cyl still had a soul 😂

[@BIGGELATO]

@@blazesmooth5573 the C63 originated from i6s not V8s… all though, I do wish the new C63 would have the E-Performance 800HP and keep this new 4 pot hybrid as the C43 E-Performance. Even go as far as rebranding to C46 E-Performance (4 cyl, 6XX HP). 🤷‍♂️

[@Ideost]

I think as long as they keep ICE in those signature cars, I'm totally OK with hybrid technology. If they somehow change their mind and decide to go with fully electric, that's when I'm going to start not loving Merc.

[@Ideost]

@ss Yes, totally. As mentioned in the video, handling is one major downside compared to the previous models. But still, it's very sad to see we start to see car manufacturers transform their cars with electric ones. BMW just announced new 7 series, and for someone who is in love with V12 engines, it really is a hard to swallow such transformation.

[@liquidhyperion4189]

And keep it lighter, or it will be for nothing.

[@rks-bh6tb]

They will have to at some point

[@th-redattack]

I really like the 3d illustration to explain

[@BIGGELATO]

A tune can put an AMG GT63S close to 750hp, turbo upgrades and other goodies would add another 150hp to 250hp. This electrification being so small with low range is just added weight. If people want a silent vehicle, they get an EV, if they want an obnoxiously loud sports car they go for the AMG. As much as I like this car, i'd know that if i ever was able to afford one i'd know the ev side of it is only really useful for not waking up the neighbors leaving the house, instant torque, and a smoother start/stop system. I wish they added a larger battery pack and sacrificed storage or something. No need for the second transmission for the EV, the engine take over high speeds and high RPM...

[@sammyhaidi6807]

What I love about your reviews is that you’re brutally honest about any car

[@DanielSadjadian]

Been so excited for this video, these new AMG V8 hybrid models are going to be incredible 🔥🔥

[@ElectroMusicLab]

Waiting for it 🔥

[@RaGoCars]

Absolutely beautiful design.⭐⭐⭐⭐

[@petedavis4097]

Fabulous engineering, I wish I was still young enough to have the reactions to drive it !

[@yanzi1957]

I’m just happy she still has a v8

[@TrancEndingMedia]

Combustion sounds lovely with that electric hint

[@saul_bloom]

Hope they do this to the E63S soon. Waiting for my 2023 AMG wagon.

[@theguywiththemug9504]

2:10 crouching tiger 🐅

[@All_Together_Now]

So you pay more for less boot space, a much heavier car with worse dynamics, 18km of ev range, and slightly more straight line only performance. Could’ve done without and been just as well if you ask me.

[@GeneraLigma]

FINALLY, some common sense. Not to mention with its more complicated hybrid system it will be pricier to fix down the line. They should have just stuck to the V8 and release their electric rubbish which is incoming anyway.

[@All_Together_Now]

@@GeneraLigma i feel like the buyer is footing the bill for their experimenting and r&d here. Like pay extra so we can try to figure this stuff out.

[@GeneraLigma]

@@All_Together_Now Could not have said it better myself. All the comments you see praising it are kids who see a cool car and a higher HP number and go: "thats straight fire bro"... Im currently waiting for my G63 and it could be MY23 which is rumoured to get this same hybrid system and Im sitting here praying they keep the normal G63 for a year longer so I can enjoy my last dance with a V8 before everything becomes electric.

[@k0zzu21]

In many European countries this will be considerably cheaper due to lower emissions.

[@sokolmiftari3887]

you prefer the 2 liter against the 4 liter in the version of an e performance , bu its not the engine making it heavy its the electric bateries and electric engine , so even if its a 2 liter c63 with e performance , the weight its to mutch for a c63 and imagine a g wagon would reach 3 tons almost if you add the e performance , i thing the gt can have more power but from the v8 that engine can deliver more and they could have done some weight saving , same thing as with m5 cs , do you think the m5 cs would be that fast and that good if they would add an electric powerterrain , ofc not , the m5 cs is scary fast on straight line and it handles amazing , low weight enogh power , im a mercedes fan but with this model i think mercedes is trying to sell with numbers , like 840 hp and 0-60 3 sec etc , im sure this is slower than the m5 cs in straight line

[@DavidBoy333]

Panamera Turbo S E-hybrid did this 5-6 years ago. Its a great combination but doesn't push the car faster than the non-hybrid version of the Turbo S, And also most people paying 200K Euro for a car doesn't really care about the few K anual emission tax and this is the main reason these manufacturers swap a battery in all cars now.

[@christophergresco9677]

Very nice jacket Raz. 👍🏼

[@carspear]

I like the car and its engineered well, thanks for sharing

[@7477238]

Insanity. I'm going to have to go back and rewatch how the entire system works as it's quite complicated. It took me a bit to understand how the 48V mild hybrid system worked and now there's this system.

[@2bunphettered788]

The electric port should be dual or centered. Nice ride. It wears red well. 👍

[@themalaysian1035]

That sound i suspect is the ev motor in order to save space they use straight-cut transmission, it's the gear sound not helical

[@FixItRyan]

This gets me excited for the new AMG C I feel like it’s good that they made this so that we can understand why the 4 makes more sense in this system. Wondering if they will do it with a 6 too

[@zartmo4830]

too bad the 4 cyl was really a dissapointment

[@stickydh]

Been waiting for this one....

[@ilya4759]

They should offer a 50/50 gas/electric power ratio. The 400hp 4-cylinder plus 400hp elect would make this car a new car species

[@MrSiddji]

What black wheels are on the AMG 63 ?

[@ravivlogger14]

nice brother..this car is dream for me

[@BernardMina]

I guess as long as its still got a v8 still makes it great! Wasn't sure how I was to feel about it... It loses some practicality in the boot... May still lean towards just the v8, if its still an offer below the e- performance

[@vincevinnyp9224]

I don't know what to think I have had an E63S wagon for 4 years as my daily and it has been ideal. I have been actively looking for a replacement, that would improve on it, for the last 2 years and have been half hoping that this engine would find it's way into an E class, but I am not so sure I would want that now. I am definitely not excited by a 4 cylinder but I suppose I should keep an open mind. I like more room and a flat load to sit on so this is out. The Panamera is too small, the RS6 doesn't seem to offer much and, especially as the UK options stand even the facelift E63s seems a step down. I wish BMW had a touring M5.

[@firewaffle1]

Prefacelift E63s wagon I would just keep. The prefacelift sound is just amazing. Not sure what could beat it really

[@cristianchavira8591]

Flat load to sit on? What about RS7?

[@rks-bh6tb]

Face-lift e63 is better

[@Cassp0nk]

Just noticed the worlds smallest suitcases for the luggage test!

[@TobiasHenreich]

843 bhp is sick!

[@inui12494]

What is the mpg for the car

[@larryc1616]

What's the 1/4 mile time and trap speed in mph?

[@hottub2249]

I wish there’s a greater focus on weight because of the batteries. I would think there’s a business case to use much more carbon fiber than aluminum and steel.

[@P_M21]

Can you remap the ECU on a Hybrid car like this GT63s? or would it cause problems?

[@P_M21]

Also: 13:47 Twin Turbo Owl sounds

[@fiercedevil6955]

The charging port ruins the look of an otherwise great looking car. And I do think AMG is not placing the charge port on the left fender because of cost cutting. Like what you said about the SL. It is a new car developed from the ground up, which should've opened up the possibility to have the charge port on the fender. But then when you look at pics of the upcoming S63 hybrid, its charging port is on the left fender...

[@collenmusemwa]

Always feel these type of set ups work better with fewer cylinder engines.

[@bulelanibaqwa]

I think it might be a benefit when you're stuck in bumper to bumper traffic, the full electric mode will save you petrol when you're inching. Secondly, city driving is a lot of stop start, so the electric acceleration will help at times. This is just me observing from my day to day experience and looking at how this car would be a pleasure to live with day to day over the normal v8

[@YounesLayachi]

Catching up to the panamera e-hybrid ?

[@joemadrio8245]

The 1470nm torque figure is even more astonishing

[@Raziel_91]

Omg.. a soft-limiter? My lord, they killed the sound ! >.< it’s so quiet! The exhaust sound is so underwhelming! :( otherwise awesome, ut the sound has always been the most important thing for me in my AMG’s :/

[@wasdwasdwwasd]

How often are you really revving your car from a standstill?

[@Raziel_91]

@@wasdwasdwwasd my 2016 C63s? Whenever people ask me to :p but my stock 2016 C63s is way way louder and sounds much better and way more brutal. I know it’s regulations etc, so i get it has to be quieter but.. a soft limiter? Man.. that’s such an Audi thing to do. Doesn’t fit an AMG or BMW M.

[@wasdwasdwwasd]

That can't be that often, perhaps a few times a month max? Unfortunately I just don't think enough owners do that for them to avoid putting a soft limiter in. That being said I find cars sound best under load.

[@Raziel_91]

@@wasdwasdwwasd it actually happens kinda often - like, groceries, young kids.. especially when you have boys pulling up their phones and recording you, i like to give them a rev or occasionally a little ride etc. Yeah, sure, i don’t disagree with you, but damn, i like being able to at least rev it when i want. It’s that extra control that i hate - i never wanted to ever buy an audi because the extra childs control (under-steer, unable to fully turn off TC, Rev-limiters etc) - so i really hate how the brand new AMG’s now also are getting these stupid limiters.. just leave it alone?

[@liquidhyperion4189]

You can remove it with some coding.

[@sinethembandlovu5032]

did they also take away the fixed spoiler?

[@SuperHacker38]

I'm quite intrigued - what is blurred on the dash? Doesn't look like the speedo...

[@YounesLayachi]

What's the power/weight ratio ? 2 engines, 2 fuel tanks, 2 gearboxes, might as well be 2 cars in 1 body xD

[@tonygeei]

What a gorgeous car.

[@superfast4849]

is this 2023 new generation 'mild hybrid' version??

[@reda497]

9:09 what if a car hit it in the back, how is it gonna be fixed

[@clifflee5404]

I hope they offer this system in the E class

[@hightiernub1313]

4:03 the BSG was removed and replaced with an ISG.

[@emanuel65000]

still don't understand why they never update the looks of their cars, swear the styling has been out for donkeys years now

[@Brother-Louis]

I can't believe you failed to mention the amazing electric hybrid turbo chargers that eliminate any bit of turbo-lag that remained within the hot-V engine and also generates power to the batteries when not boosting.

[@YounesLayachi]

It's a given by now I think

[@themaster7993]

just install stage 1 softowere to your gt63s. it will have 740hp and 1000nm.

[@Kruse1]

How much does it weigh?

[@js002003]

I think I would just go with the regular non hybrid version or just go full electric at this point with an RS etron gt, taycan turbo or turbo s and go as fast or even faster (in the turbo s) than this car. This AMG hybrid and the taycan/etron gt weigh the same but the taycan/etron gt has better balance and lower center of gravity and will handle better (and look better).... Think this car only makes sense if you want that electric boost but you have to commute long distances without any charging infrastructure.

[@hankmoody7521]

Performance E-hybrids are such a niche market segment, I wonder why Mercedes/AMG is investing in it. Porsche is selling hybrid models since 2011 (plug-in since 2013?), but what you see is, that Panamera sales took a hard hit with the SOP of the pure BEV Taycan. I can see sports cars like the Ferrari SF90 or a RS hybrid model of the 911, but 4-door luxury sedans will go pure BEV by 2025-30.

[@mpower1106]

I'll pick the m5cs which does same performance times and cheaper also

[@supergoku1986]

That car make no sense at all... I want one 😁

[@997turbo2]

They could have hidden the charging unit behind the rear plate number plate place

[@gldi8hr]

This Merdeces❣️

[@DB-xc2wk]

Why doesn’t this channel have 5 mil subs?!!!

[@KwameTanner]

Do you think they will stop making this car? Or will there just be a facelift in 2025? You said this one is the facelift version but it looks the same.

[@omarqura4342]

So after seeing some videos on gt63e, you're better off with the gt63s and if you need more power just tune it

[@Cristopher492]

The electric pump is in perfect position, chargers are usually at the back of the garage and well designed. Car: monsters!👌

[@Cassp0nk]

It looks shit.

[@strykz63]

I'll just get a regular Gt63s and tune it to 800hp.. and still be down on weight with all the performance perks of the normal gt63s. I do like the fact that AMG is trying new things but that added weight cant be good

[@reda497]

Mercedes CEO: i want to have a better handling in our cars than bmw and faster too. Engineer: but thats impossible sir. CEO: just fucking mixed everything together. Engineer: yes sir. GT63s E CAME OUT.

[@djalali59]

Love the review, very happy to see some brutal honesty. Quite a few head scratchers with this car: all that extra power over the GT63s but only 0.2 seconds quicker to 60? Extra weight that ruins the handling? Absolutely baffling spot for the charging port? Call me a cynic, but ever since Tobias Moers left, Mercedes-AMG seems to be going downhill.

[@gottliebdee263]

I think it’s down to managing the traction. MB always seems to be slightly slower than the competition for similar power levels. Gotta be gearing or traction as there is no lack of power.

[@TheTruth51517]

Mercedes is dead

[@totom5095]

If you’ve ever walked between electric cars charging or went from boot to front door of your own car on charge you often hit the open charging flap . It’s a bad design this is maybe not as bad from a practical point. Side charging points are not a practical idea.

[@gouldnj]

I’ll stick with my Eurocharged tuned GLC63 for 650hp and a 3 second 0-60. The thought of adding nearly 500lbs of weight to get that extra power and 17 miles of EV range is ridiculous. If you want EV power buy a Tesla to compliment your garage and use it as your daily, that’s what I did. If that isn’t in your budget then you have to make your choice between a V8 noise or environmentally friendly. For the price of this car you could have an E63S and Tesla Model 3. Just WOW!

[@jeffreymorris6930]

Agree. They're going to lean heavily on the Formula 1 marketing angle, and the fact that consumers are caught up in the horsepower wars. It'll be interesting to see how this performs on the Nurburgring.

[@grayknight836]

The exterior design of this AMG is clean and sleek 👍🏻. The hybrid info is informative yet confusing. The bloated donut 🍩 steering wheel is too large.

[@kreigerbailey3550]

Portland, JAMAICA in The Building !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@wizardindustriesusa]

It sounds like there’s an owl in the exhaust 👀

[@freddiejones4598]

Every car manufacturer going down the route of big power but big weight. I know we are moving away from the combustion engine but it doesn’t make sense.

[@freddiejones4598]

So it’s only as fast as the m5 comp to 60. Proves it’s too heavy

[@chris0628]

Bloody good video and to put things into perspective.. The Porsche - Turbo S 0-60 is faster 😁

[@austensmith6857]

You can say that about anything but a plaid lol

[@chris0628]

@@austensmith6857 but the plaid has lot more power than the Porsche lol

[@prachya007]

damn!!! i love it but can’t afford it

[@arisistible1]

It’s a nice looking car and probably quick ask heck but your face says you’re disappointed with the sound. I don’t blame ya. I imagine the 4 cylinder would sound a step above an F Series M4. I will never trade my W205 C63S.

[@Be22ThePig]

Think there has always been F1 tech in amg's

[@vsboy2577]

That car is a nightmare if something breaks