How to Polish "Hard" Paint: Porsche Carrera C4S

This is a 2013 Carrera C4S with INCREDIBLY hard paint. We discuss the difference between Extra Cut MF discs and Regular Cutting MF discs. Thanks for watching!
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[@ItsTheBroski24]

All you big detailers are all super nice and friendly and so willing to help others, its just so amazing! I feel like yall are friends I can ask help for when I get into a situation with a car. Keep up the good work Larry!

[@RoachForLife]

Larry, not a pro just a car enthusiast but I gotta say I love how much time and dedication you put into all of these videos. You really go all out. Thanks!

[@christophh.1246]

It is always very nice listening to you. Cool facts in combination with complete sentences, uncut. Very seldom. Thank you!

[@amyhwang597]

JEEZE THAT THROW IS HUGE. Great vid as always. Thank you Larry

[@NicholasG28]

Excellent video as always Larry!

[@computiNATEor]

Finally! My e39's paint is as hard as a rock (as you alluded to in your "Bird Poo" wet sanding vid), so this is great! Thanks so much!

[@PeopleOfCasinos]

Amazing work, Larry! Awesome job on that Porsche! That white came out awwweswsommee. Thank you for your awesome videos. Keep them coming.

[@brandonkapana2453]

such a sick custom Ruper! cant wait to invest in one. changed the game for sure.

[@jamesbambury]

Thanks for this video Larry! I take care of a BMW and a Mercedes and I always seem to be battling hard pair with these two cars. I can never seem to get out those fine swirl marks that you see under lights at night this time of year! Hope to use this when I come to restore the paint this spring

[@PawelU2]

Beautiful car, great job. Thank you for your videos. Cheers Larry!

[@JeanPierreRegello]

yeah +AMMO NYC this is what we want to see at the end of a video. Great Job!

[@salikkhalid5455]

you nailed it man, i was also working on hard paint today. i know its a little bit tricky on that kind of paint.

[@abelcelestinjr8810]

Great video Larry, I see you putting that new rupes part 2 to good use !!!Keep the vids coming

[@Jergialipananu]

Wow that Porsche looks so clean, love the white and reflex

[@ipod1978]

Beautiful car and good tips. Good solid video

[@dalehemingway6266]

larry your videos are the best keep them coming!!!

[@jordanjohnson7264]

great video as always Larry.. thanks for sharing !!

[@danlc95]

Great vid, Larry. M100 is a badass. love that stuff.

[@matthewtrier4607]

Great video!! It's winter here in Colorado and I try not to take my gto out in the snow but when it does get coated in snow what's the best way to get it off. Let it melt off? Push it off? A video on safe snow removal would be awesome!

[@EmperorSeneca]

phenomenal job as always

[@dawsontupper4415]

Larry! I plan on getting a wood dash kit for my 05 CTS any chance you could do a wood interior care video? I love your videos and think this would be a great thing to do!

[@AMMO-NYC]

Great idea

[@FreestylerAlbert]

most helpful video on the channel! save tons of time!

[@mkillian492]

Larry, love the videos always great to see. Do you almost solely use the Rupes? I have been working with my Flex 3401, it has done well for me, many people note that the Rupes is more comfortable and easier to work with, would you agree?

[@iSOBigD]

Cool, I was just working on my Genesis sedan and noticed it's really hard to polish even very very light scratches compared to a Maxima and BMW I worked on, so this helps a lot.

[@intensitycardetailing-herv7370]

great video.! Always use Meguiars pads, tried them all but nothing compares to Meguiars for consistancy and life span.

[@shoaib1029]

Great job mate!

[@cup_and_cone]

Great video as always. Looks like a couple love dimples on the front bonnet/hood...but it is a daily driver. Larry, do you have a video on treating black plastic trim that's starting to turn? I can't remember if you did a video talking about all the different options out there. Cheers.

[@photilal1960]

He didn't as far as I know but he recommended me some type of treatment to apply. The results seemed awesome and long lasting but quite pricey

[@mk3euro]

Hello Larry your videos are amazing a lot info. when we are going to see the video with the garage finished. I think in this porsche m101 and foam pad will work better.

[@bmwman4756]

Larry once again thank you.

[@RY4NP]

Hey Ammo, could you do a video on.....Tips and tricks for getting your car ready for trade in/sale?

[@basketball798]

Omg it took me 2 weeks to paint correct my old slk 55amg! I'm couldn't believe how hard the paint was I wish I had seen this video earlier. New paints are not what old use to be I can tell you that.

[@tepperpepper1047]

You are the Bob Ross of car detailing.. I love watching your videos. It's so therapeutic.

[@nhoff7703]

Wish I could daily a 991 C4S! Great vid too btw.

[@MJF40]

Larry, is it possible to do a video on how to remove paint ? I understand layering up prior to winter is recommended. The last 2 winters in the NE were brutal with snow and cold temps. No garage....means often cleaning off of snow, ice, sand and salt.

[@jaianjean]

Larry, how do you manage do polish corners in a proper way with DA polishers?

[@randabuffer6562]

Amazing work Larry but wouldn’t increasing arm speed cut a little less vs a slower arm speed/move ment? Just trying to understand cause I painted my car and am having trouble with haloes 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@williamarden5441]

I have sit here from 3 days and to pointers from you.nthanks for real! I love painting, so detailing is the thing I love since I can't paint. 10 year Navy veteran that can not find a job I like more than painting. I painted Hornets for 4 years. Look up VFA131 and you will see some of my work. I would love to have all of your stuff. I can't afford it right now because I got it to take care of my parents. Thanks for all the info brother! You are amazing to have a chance to work on those exotics. I can only say I got to paint the brds. Miss it for sure!

[@williamarden5441]

Sorry for the typos! I have big paws haha

[@vjaneczko]

I'm wondering; if you used the extra cut MF pad with M100 for the first stage, what would you use for polishing? Same pad with M205, the regular cutting MF pad or a polishing pad?

[@cryalowicki]

+Vince Janeczko Good question.

[@diamondfoxautodetail1140]

Larry would it have been faster to use a rotary?

[@drewweikum5073]

Ran into this problem this weekend. Unfortunately I only had the regular cut discs. 18 hours of paint correction is fun anyways..

[@cwizardS]

You took off the polisher before it stopped spinning :-O

[@AMMO-NYC]

+Edward Cosic Thug life...

[@pdrizzledizzle]

+AMMO NYC You rebel.

[@pedropedroso9248]

+AMMO NYC Do you really think its worth buying the MARK 2 or just buy the old Rupes version?

[@MrEyad1990]

+AMMO NYC Oh you bad ass

[@14infallible]

+AMMO NYChahahaI loved that comment

[@kafercrazy]

Larry, please do a headlight restoration video. I could have sworn you had one, but searching turned up nothing. I did see a link on a forum to an AMMO video for it, but the link was dead.

[@mockingj2204]

I love that machine that color so legit

[@JohanGSolaqa93]

Good job bro.

[@Caraholic94]

Question: why aren't you using a rotary machine to get the job done on harder paints instead of a DA machine? Great channel btw, keep it up!

[@In2oil2]

I have to say it// On the intro, I have the feeling when you see the big guy driving your car on the track and he says : "This car is so fun" I feel bad for you! It seems like your saying to yourself, "you don't have to beat the hell out of my car!" This s judging from your reaction on the video. Nevertheless. I am a big fan.. One question, I have a brand new TESLA MODEL S P85D and I am trying my hardest to maintain the OEM leather smell, DO you have any product that may enhance the smell as well as protecting or cleaning.

[@ChristiannTyler]

New Rupes 21 with the xtra cut disc and m100! what kind of paint is this might as well throw rocks at it

[@crystalsabundance]

Excellent

[@nissan300bhp]

hi larry, so do you use a rotary? im a DA guy, I just prefer them, I use my rotary sometimes for quickly remove transfer marks etc but I like the DA better

[@hipostang23]

Out of curiosity, have you ever heard of a DA polisher that has an LCD display which indicates the amount of downward pressure being placed on the pad?? Idk, maybe it's not important, but for an amateur it would be nice to know an objective figure to use.

[@NextLevelAutoDetail]

did you one step this with m100? or did you finish it with 205? if really didn't see any compound haze or micro marring.

[@clarke89]

Hi ammo any recommendations for a machine polisher starter set? I don't yet own a machine polisher but I am keen to buy one

[@KD-mm3li]

Can you do a aluminum rims polishing tutorial?

[@cenz2279]

Hey Larry, great video as always. I have a question. I recall in one of your previous videos you actually performed paint correction with nothing but the polisher, MF pad and quick detailer/water. Since this is hard paint, would you recommend that technique as well or advise to sticking with polish + extra cut pad? Thanks!

[@nirvandass5114]

He only used that method because the paint was super soft on that boxster. For hard paint like this it wouldn't really work.

[@cenz2279]

Yea this is where my confusion lays. If the combination of polish and pad was not aggresive enough to remove defects on soft paint why would combo of polish and pad remove defects on hard paint. it would seem the pad itself without the buffer of polish seem more aggressive vs using polish.

[@nirvandass5114]

Detailers Corner its the other way around. The pad itself has a certain level of abrasiveness. He had to use water for the Boxster because anything else was giving him residual problems. I believe with hard paint the use of an abrasive cutting compound would be needed to give the desired outcome. The pad by itself won't do much to hard paint in my experience with QD for lubrication vs using a decent compound.

[@cenz2279]

Makes more sense. I guess depending on the level of abrasiveness within the polish plus the pad would be more ideal for hard paint. I now recall the boxster video and his issue as the combo of polish and pad was too aggressive. Thanks for the responses. appreciate that.

[@nirvandass5114]

You're welcome!

[@IMon503]

hi Larry. how would you know what type of paint is on your vehicle?? I am a novice and watch a lot of your videos but still haven't taken a machine polisher to my 14 plate 330 bmw. p.s. nice to see the new rupes being used.

[@AMMO-NYC]

+Iain M Test spot...test spot....test spot. :)

[@MrJoe1627]

Hey Larry I'm about to polish my 2015 3 series do I have to mask off the head/tail lights or can I polish those as well? Any help would be nice

[@illusionzauto]

Hi Larry. I use these with the Rupes 21 mm but is there anything you can do about the vibration using these pads? Because they are so thin. There is less cushioning and makes for a very uncomfortable polish while using the machine.

[@douggreen980]

Larry, you need Buff and Shine Uro-Fiber Pads and Sonax CutMax. This combo will blow you away on hard paint.

[@arthurlbn]

What did you use after de compound? have you just compound and put the skin?

[@adreanharrigan755]

So I'm looking into getting a rupes mk2 but can't decide if i should get a 15 or 21 what would you recommend.. I'm hearing more people saying they find themselves using their 15 over their 21

[@whatismyname3775]

have you ever tried Rupes UHS for really hard paints?

[@Darkyinkia]

I love watching your videos! They are very informative and you don't try and push your products on anyone. Your gulping spittle with tongue smack is really annoying, but your videos are so entertaining I can push past that... Keep up the good work!

[@carbonconnection2480]

I need that white machine 💪

[@KD-mm3li]

So im experiencing my polishing compound drying on the car and when i go to wipe it off its instantly dry to the touch. My pad gets warm and im using a good amount of product in 2foot sections. Any thoughts or something that you’ve encountered?

[@Hawkens85]

I ran into a car a few weeks ago that had some kind of gunk/environmental hazard on it where I had to use the MF cutting pad, but I noticed that the more pressure I put on the pad, the more easily the fibers became matted down, so I'd have less cutting and would have to stop more often to blow out the pad. I found that the lighter the pressure, the more space I was giving the pad's fibers to breathe, and I was cutting more more effectively. Does this sound like a wrong technique, right result, or are there exception to the rule?

[@ikkiiiieee]

I didn't exactly get why you didn't do it on the bumpers :o

[@Blackeyedbeaver]

Holy crap! A few weeks ago I had an '03 Mustang "Zinc Yellow" that I decided I needed to be in during a nuclear war as I couldn't even remove surface scratches without going "full grit" and a pad that was like your dish sponge's rough edge. And then? I did the same on the edge of the bumper. ...Sigh... I had to get touch-up paint and didn't charge my customer a nickel as I was the one who effed up. Shake my head. Live and learn.

[@SarcastSempervirens]

can you do a clip on washing/cleaning/maintenance for like 3M vinyl wraps? I have an old car with the paint almost gone in the middle of the roof and the hood but I don't have the money to really get it repainted properly and would like to protect the metal from corroding, so I'll just wrap it, but how do you deal with the material after that?

[@hoodman420]

just plasti dip it. very easy to do and can be washed like normal and you can peal it away and change the color at any time. great for vehicles that you do not want to spend a lot of money on and it will do what your asking. i have done my 96 blazer (winter truck) and worked great.

[@IXIslimjimIXI]

How long did it take to compound out that rear panel?

[@ozzstars_cars]

Looks great. How many hours did you you spend polishing this car?

[@AMMO-NYC]

5-6

[@AmmarAbotouk]

+AMMO NYC Damn !

[@AltaSonata]

+AMMO NYC Including wash?

[@bretthobbs3363]

You could try using a machine with more grunt than the Rupes, and a faster speed on the polisher. I'd be smashing it with speed 6 on my Flex with a wool pad and HD Cut and take those swirls down no problem.

[@v1c1ous0ne]

Did you ever get a mk3 Bigfoot 15? Or are u a believer of the 21 and as needed use a mini..........

[@Steelandbrass]

I'm sure you have answered this a million times but about how much should it cost to have a paint shop remove all the Orange peel on oe paint

[@baezn88]

Larry, How would you determine hard paint from soft paint? I'm sure a freshly painted car would be consider soft paint and hard paint would be a car that has some time on it? like a matter of years.

[@samuelcabrera9456]

it typically depends on the manufacturers. American cars usually have hard paint, meaning it's harder to scratch and harder to correct. and some porches and Japanese cars have soft paint, which can get scratched easily, and you have to be careful when polishing not to burn through, since it's very soft paint. the hard paint can take a beating more and the soft paint is easier to correct with a regular microfiber pad and polisher.

[@baezn88]

+samuel cabrera Thanks.

[@user-lt9jx2tt3o]

Hello Larry, I am glad to watch your video in KZbin! I just want to know the model or ID Extra Cut MF discs and Regular Cutting MF discs in order to buy it in Ukraine. Could you help me, please?

[@jaimcr]

What are going to do with your old rupes 21? Maybe give it to a lucky fan😉

[@crystalclearautodetailing4292]

Where do you get 7" MF Extra Cut pad for your 21es?

[@GoInGcRz]

Hey larry, when you said you had the polisher on 3, did you mean 3000 rpm or was it something else?

[@NextLevelAutoDetail]

speed 3 on the mark II rupes 21, not 3000 rpms, that is just crazy fast! only a rotary goes that high. and never polish that fast. dual action polishers are measured by OPMS (orbits per minute)

[@GoInGcRz]

Joey FaME thanks for the info man :)

[@philiplubduck6107]

I have 2014 Cadillac ats with I believe hard paint, as a non expert should I just stick with regular cut pad and spend the time with my porter cable to prevent accidental burn or should I just go big with xtra cut. I just don't want to wreck the paint, want to get all non nail catching scratches out.

[@AMMO-NYC]

least agresive methods first so I would say stick with regular cut and take it slow. It will take more time but safer. only go to extra cut if you feel comfortable doing it.

[@philiplubduck6107]

Thank you for the response, I'll stick with the regular cut pads. Your videos have been such a great help to detail my own cars, especially the interior detail trick of using steam.

[@k20mak]

I see you are using the new custom Rupes polisher. Is that your main machine now? I thought you were going to keep that one as a trophy.

[@AMMO-NYC]

+k20mak It's my trophy but I like taking out of the case once in a while! :)

[@tomertzur4851]

i think mercedes have hard paint and clear coat so you think meguiars ultimate compound and polish will help for scrathes and swirls on 2015 mercedes cla?

[@jaimcr]

I'd use menzerna products on a Mercedes. Use heavy cut 400 compound and super finish 3500 polish

[@TheDeafcanadian]

What model you using polisher machine?

[@luciovasquez7884]

cant you just buff it with compound and a wool pad or foam pad then with machine polish and then ultrafine machine polish?

[@frook28]

How do you guys remove snow off your car? Anyone have any tips to reduce scratches

[@yashs8586]

Could you just use a denim pad?

[@atbien21]

How about using a rotary the first time around?

[@ALEXANDERCRETA1]

You mean hard clear coat? Or is single stage?

[@ibidibi100]

What's the difference between soft and hard paint and how do you determine it.

[@ibidibi100]

+Trent Hallmark thanks a million great explanation. thanks for taking the timeout

[@BlackArtBMX]

+Trent Hallmark Also Volvo black. Almost lost my mind trying to get it right a while back, kept getting those tiny scratches from the towel. Any advice on how to avoid that? I just ended up being insanely careful when wiping the residue off.

[@hallmarksdetailingllc8078]

Honestly I haven't a clue. Make sure the towel you're using is superb. (Eagle Blue Edgeless for example). Those towels are super soft and don't have issues with that type of stuff. What towel are you using?

[@BlackArtBMX]

***** I normally just use a Carlake microfibre cloth. Sometimes and Autoglym on that's softer and better.

[@MrEyad1990]

+Trent Hallmark HONDAS sucks .

[@motiverebuilds3524]

How do you blow it out without air compresser?

[@masterspin7796]

Got anything against using a rotary?

[@zmike]

Was that orange peel after the polish ???

[@k2e15]

What happened to Ammo NYC compound & polish. Both are no longer on the Ammo NYC Website..discontinued?

[@fatherofmayhem68]

+Sheldon Kee If I remember correctly he said he pulled it for a while because he was not happy with his products. He thought they were doing what others on the market were already able to do, so he is currently reworking them.

[@k2e15]

+Father of Mayhem (FatherofMayhem) Ahh ok. I respect that. Looking forward to what Larry is working on. Thanks for answering my question.

[@jtm1979]

M100 vs M101 which one cuts more? I have seen lots of mixed opinions.

[@jtm1979]

I tested it myself and M101 wins M100 hands down with Rupes and megs mf. instagram.com/p/BPe8QzQBonA/

[@yamenyassin9915]

Hi Larry how are. I want buy this machine and all this how I can buy this. Please help me

[@number1pappy]

not for nothing but wouldn't a flex 3401 been the more appropriate machine in this situation?

[@ivancabrera403]

where i can buy the product to do that

[@pumpkinpot672]

I'm surprised you found a car where the MF cutting pad and 105 didn't work!

[@NickM1013]

pumpkinpot Except that it did work. 🤔

[@martijnouwersloot3233]

I need some help, i used compound and ive got the swirls after this i used a polish, but this didnt work i cant get rid of the swirls. What should i do? Use a stronger polish?

[@nirvandass5114]

It depends on what type of swirls. Are they micro marring induced by wiping off the residue?

[@martijnouwersloot3233]

+Nirvan Dass the same swirls he gets from compounding as shown in most videos.

[@nirvandass5114]

martijn ouwersloot check the polishing pad you're using, type of polish and compare it with the paint hardness. Also your technique is important. It can take a few passes depending on the aforementioned.

[@imran-tm4il]

You said every cars paint is different what if the car is built same factory and same time would the paint still be consider different.

[@richardhurr31]

I was talking to a female owner of one of these exact cars today (convertible version) I wonder what state her paint is in lol.