An Explainer: COROS EvoLab New Training Load & Running Metrics

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Nice hat! The airliner background noise made for some soothing background audio 😂

[@Dcrainmaker]

Now that the sun has come out, the hat has been strong in the rotation lately! Thanks!

[@rainerrain9689]

@@Dcrainmaker Do you see yourself doing in depth reviews in the future on running footwear ? Thanks.

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@rainerrain9689 Nah, just not my cup of tea, unfortunately. Sorry!

[@rainerrain9689]

@@Dcrainmaker That's OK, I understand , you have a full plate already with all the time and energy you put into your chock full of info reviews. Enjoy your weekend .

[@gilleek2]

It sounds pretty soothing alright. On the plus side if you can sleep there you can probably sleep anywhere.

[@RunWithMyDog]

Wow you guys are fast! Just watched your recap and Dave's. You guys are doing an amazing job in delivering the message to the public

[@Dcrainmaker]

Thanks! I've been using it for a bit of time now, so able to understand some of the nuances of it. Cheers!

[@larasharp3853]

Just getting up to speed here due to some health issues. I'm so grateful for your video! Very informative. Looking forward to watching more.

[@sheevys]

Nice coordination between Dcr, Des and Chase The Summit

[@seuncoker]

I think DES went first, then chase the summit, and finally followed by DC rainmaker...

[@DesFit]

@@seuncoker mine wasn’t the first but you’ll usually see these sorts of videos drop right around the same time which is set by the company who we’re covering.

[@ChaseTheSummit]

Embargoes certainly make for awkward situations 😬

[@ola95003]

It was nice to see an update of this and if the algorithms are still the same based on Heart rate

[@sensovision]

Thanks for overview of these new features! And charger is really cool! Also you keep telling that Coros always shows your VO2Max lower than other watches, I wonder if you ever measured it properly to find out which watch does the best guessing?

[@mlegrand]

That hat is looking sharp! 🙌 So pumped to see Coros adding some more running training load metrics!

[@sheevys]

What's your version? :D

[@mlegrand]

Also, I have this idea for making a watch charging stand in my office. I'll send you pics whenever I actually put it together. Great video as always Ray. Even with the airplane interference.

[@mlegrand]

@@sheevys - I will be making a Swim, Bike, Run, Rinse, Repeat hat at some point. I just need to get off my butt and make it happen!

[@fitgearhunter]

@@mlegrand I did the same - used a basic jewelry tree w chargers glue-gunned in place. It’s not quite pretty but it works. Would love to see yours when you develop it!

[@fitgearhunter]

Awesome overview! Quick question - once you complete 150min within 7 days do you have to maintain a certain amount of running to maintain metrics? Specifically - I train and test devices for CrossFit - if I logged 150 min of flat road running, and then switched to all ‘Non-GPS Cardio’ or whatever it is called - will it update Load/Fatigue/etc going forward? Like with Garmin - to get ‘training status’ you have to do minimum (I’ve found that 5 min is min) running to keep stats, or will stats always be solely based on running history? I did watch the video! Just didn’t catch a full grasp. Also - great great job clarifying the absence of other training types being a big gap!

[@fitgearhunter]

And yes - awesome hat. Way to give props to others!

[@Dcrainmaker]

Thanks! Once you cross that 150/7 threshold, you don't need to maintain anything for the training load portions. Whereas for the running portions you will. And technically speaking you'll get individual per-workout training load on every workout no matter the type, but for some odd reason it won't populate the trending graphs until the run side is completed. Honestly, a lot of those initial requirements seem a bit fuzzy right now. I have a funny feeling we'll see that change in short order, especially given you can't use trail running for the baseline.

[@fitgearhunter]

@@Dcrainmaker thank you for the response! Yes that makes sense, 100%. Thanks again for the specificity to the review!

[@tomylee]

It would be interesting to see a compare of the Coros and Garmin fitness data. They are the same, if not which feels more realistic.

[@mikeg4421]

Does evolab take into account your heart rate outside of work outs or is it purely pulling metrics from run or track mode activities. Example would be if youre going on walks that you don’t track or sleep with your watch does this affect your fatigue level in evolab? Thanks for the video.

[@michaelsteele5495]

Ray: I am stuck at home with kids. Kids: no, we are stuck at home with you (now we know who gave the 2 thumbs down)

[@Dcrainmaker]

Hahahaha

[@engadeepa]

Does COROS give VO2 max per run or does it only show your average as a whole

[@benhoad2961]

I am looking at switching from Garmin as looks like the Fenix 7 is too far away and thinking there could be an argument to have both a large long battery life watch with maps like the Vertix 2 together with the Pace 2 that can be used for short road/city runs. If you had these two watches will they both sync seamlessly into EvoLab or would there be some loss of data and not an amalgamated picture of fitness changes? Thanks

[@lasserasmussen5522]

I might be a bit slow, but does the Apex Pro provide a surgested workouts like Garmin Forerunner 55?

[@Dcrainmaker]

No

[@serbanalin5191]

How can i see the workouts from training peaks on my coros vertix 2 watch?

[@t.t.1232]

Is EvoLab also working if I use my Pace2 for cycling? Would be good to see my cycling training load, recovery

[@eyripidissalapanis1403]

Eyripidis Salapanis Hello I register on the computer but it does not show anything, it tells me to upload them. while in the application I see my data along with the performance. what should i do to see them on the computer as well

[@wongkokwei6983]

Good day to you. Would appreciate your kind guidance on how the 1) Training Load & 2) Running Performance appearing on the COROS app? Thank you very much

[@atakan5909]

11.5 km in 54 minutes? What kinda beast are u man?

[@ashishm5763]

hey bud some qstns- how accurate is the elevation data in a gps watch without altimeter as compared to one with on board altimeter. will there be difference in accuracy in the data of both . can i use a garmin 45 for trail run and get accurate elevation and distance data as not having elevation data in real time is not a problem but accurate stats are what i need . garmin 45 could give the required accurate stats on any other accurate watch u could suggest in a simliar price range under 300$

[@Alexander_amsponaorsotc]

Crazy that Coros doesn't factor in altitude, elevation change, etc. when determining threshold HR and all these other metics. Crazy.

[@nickthequick]

Only works on flat, paved surfaces; I guess you're in the perfect country for that watch then 😁 Anyway, how do you rate these features compared to Polar's Cardio Load/Recovery Status/Running Index metrics?

[@GoSlowToGoFastOG]

My Garmin VO2max is generally higher when compared to the what I see in Daniel’s tables or McMillan calculator so perhaps this is more in line with those tables.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Yeah, seems unlikely in my case. I've been tested at higher values before, the Vo2Max 51 seems like it's just a case of not being able to quite hone in from the 6 week dataset it has.

[@jaywoo5545]

Is COROS EvoLab free or is there an annual subscription?

[@Dcrainmaker]

Free

[@Onemanengine]

Aren't you happy the rain gave way for some sun today? Ha! Lucky timing with the kid at home!

[@Dcrainmaker]

Indeed, I'll take the sun! Though, that meant I did an indoor workout instead. Sigh... Maybe it'll stick around till tomorrow!

[@Onemanengine]

@@Dcrainmaker oh and pools opening Wednesday!!

[@irunovermountains]

What's all the who haa with the new Training metrics. Suunto's recent update added Training Peaks type TSS, which is way more useful, albeit not linked to my actual TSS in Training Peaks. Hope that comes in the next version. The wee charger thingey definitely is nice

[@nabeel5757]

Hey ..how will these show for cycling activities ?,

[@hannesaltenfelder4302]

The snap of the usual Coros cable is all right. So far no need for that 2nd one (ridiculous expensive).

[@hafizjafri9598]

DC, this firmware support coros pace 1 ... ?

[@xiaochenfan5056]

PACE 1 will have Training Focus, New Training Effect, other new metrics will only show on the COROS APP

[@hafizjafri9598]

@@xiaochenfan5056 i see thanks bro. Btw is good to get pace 1 in this years ?or better find pace 2

[@whatsinthebox6783]

Can you track your km shoes on the coros apk like on garmin ?

[@Dcrainmaker]

I don’t see any way of doing that, or at least, not unless it’s hidden somewhere.

[@stephenverb2102]

Better than garmin?

[@mikesimms1]

My Garmin makes me click past a "Suggested Workout" before going for a run. Their "Recovery Manager" interrupts me when I'm taking a nap to tell me how I'm recovering. I hope Coros makes these features easy to ignore or disable for those of us that aren't interested in being coached (or are either self-coached or coached by another human being).

[@Dcrainmaker]

You can easily turn off the suggested workouts if you want (steps for Fenix 6, but same on all watches): www8.garmin.com/manuals/webhelp/fenix6-6ssport/EN-US/GUID-3E98F0F7-8B88-46FC-9F82-61EB6ECEC628.html. On the Recovery Manager, I'm honestly not sure what exactly you're referring to there, as I've never had it prompt me on recovery in the middle of anything. But you can disable toggle virtually everything on a Garmin.

[@mikesimms1]

​@@Dcrainmaker Thanks for the reply and the link to disable the Suggested Workouts. As for the Recovery Manager, it just randomly presents a notification several times a day to either congratulate me on a good recovery or scold me for not recovering well enough (presumably this is based on resting heart rate). The watch is indeed a Garmin Fenix 6. I've paused my Training Status and even disabled Activity Tracking. No luck. Also, I'm a little "on the spectrum" so I probably find random interruptions a bit more annoying than most people, lol.

[@tomylee]

Awesome hat :D

[@Alexander_amsponaorsotc]

And.......... Gotta change the "landscape only" mode for looking at graphs etc. We need to have the option to turn our phones or not turn our phones. C'mon. Please!?!?!

[@ScarletRain818]

150 minutes to enable the running metrics? And even that is possibly not enough by their algorithms 😄 I guess I will be buying a Garmin 245 instead of the Apex I had in mind after all...

[@GoSlowToGoFastOG]

How is GARMIN not suing COROS into a different solar system.

[@Dcrainmaker]

Technically speaking there's really nothing Garmin-specific here actually. Sure, COROS largely copies fonts and icons, but in terms of the training load bits, that's all pretty standard TRIMP stuff.

[@GoSlowToGoFastOG]

@@Dcrainmaker In my non-technical novice mind, my first thought was oh wow they got all the GARMIN stuff.

[@Peakabike]

It's more like they ripped off Runalyze, including "Marathon Shape" !

[@Dcrainmaker]

@@Peakabike Garmin has been doing Marathon predictions for years. It's just a simple VDOT lookup table, they even used to link to it back in the old days. These days it's a bit more complicated as they also account for heat and altitude in VO2Max estimates (which is all these are based on), whereas COROS doesn't.

[@harryl5085]

4:05 Yall that don't do too much track running - HEAR THIS PART.... Was gonna say that EvoLab is broken but then hearing this I was like " ah ok makes sense". Running cross country definitely doesn't help speed up the process.

[@harryl5085]

Hitting about 40 minutes of track time per week (rest either on trails or routes with elevation change), finally got my EvoLab to set in after ~2.5 months

[@Marty72]

TLDR: Not for cyclists.