An F1 Car To Forget - 2013 McLaren MP4/28

[@MadeByPerspective]

Hello. I just realised 😅 At the end, what I meant to say, was that Jenson’s criticism of the car and Sergios bad year was enough proof for us as to why this gamble failed. Not the only reason this car failed. Big brain moment.

[@anirudhr6052]

The best part is even though Mercedes were prepping for 2014,they defeated McLaren in 2013 and the rest is history (except this year)

[@elliotcrossan6290]

All McLaren needed to do for 2013 was improve their trackside operation and the reliability of the otherwise brilliant MP4-27, which could have won the 2012 championship if Hamilton hadn't been so unlucky with reliability, pitstops, strategy, and being crashed out of three races. Instead the team lost their star driver and messed up the MP4-28 bigtime. 2013 was the start of their decline, and they only really started to recover and rebuild in 2019.

[@NHR_Music]

Whats also crazy so that they would blame Honda for all of their issues in 2015-17 and only realised they had a chassis design issue with their car in 2018.

[@elliotcrossan6290]

@@NHR_Music yeah absolutely. It was clear that Honda was significantly to blame in 2015. But then Honda improved quite a bit in 2016. Whilst I suspect that McLaren got the 2017 aero regs badly wrong and that's why that year was so bad. McLaren only realised that in mid-2018

[@rjfaber1991]

Oh, absolutely. The MP4-27 was without doubt the fastest car on the grid in 2012. It just wasn't reliable enough, wasn't as light on tyre wear as some of its competitors, and it was operated by a team which started to make some real strategic errors in that year.

[@elliotcrossan6290]

@@rjfaber1991 the MP4-27 was about as fast as the Red Bull RB8. It wasn't without a doubt the fastest car, though McLaren had had the best driver lineup on the grid. What is certain is that it would've been a great title fight between Hamilton and Vettel had both cars been reliable -- with Alonso a strong third, but well out of contention.

[@grivous9515]

@@rjfaber1991 The mclaren car was very bad on some tracks instead of the red bull. The McLaren was fast but not enough consistent to be able to get the driver championship. You guys are amplifying things and getting biased.

[@rangafromtonga6975]

"it's embarrassing, i can't even keep up with the fricking Renault in front of me. My tyres have gone off, i'm heaver than a fricking boat. Guys you need to build us a new car, we need a new car to be able to win these races"

[@motorsportfanboy7769]

Lewis was bang on about that 2009 car at the time tbf

[@motorsportfanboy7769]

@smc Yep. They probably have like the second best car after Red Bull from Hungary onwards

[@mysticzz6685]

Which quote was this?

[@DrifterWill]

@@mysticzz6685 Hamilton racing around Istanbul in 2009.

[@grivous9515]

@@motorsportfanboy7769 the ferrari was better than brawn too

[@HighFlyingOwlOfMinerva]

The only car Perez genuinely sucked in/couldn't race with. Mind you, he has scored podiums with a Sauber, won with a Force India/Racing Point and a Red Bull, but not in a McLaren out of all cars.

[@elliotcrossan6290]

He wasn't actually that bad. He outqualified Button 10-9.

[@sentientspaghetti1898]

I mean that (t)Racing point wasn’t that bad during those races , easily best of the rest But that recovery driver from last to first was …*chefs kiss*

[@pranauvgnanavel3921]

Technically he nearly won with a Sauber in 2012 (his 2nd season) as well

[@elliotcrossan6290]

@@mike04574 Button is the only driver to outscore both Hamilton and Alonso in the same car across a season. And that's only happened twice to both Lewis and Fernando

[@SurrealCereal]

@@elliotcrossan6290 I mean, yeah, but he lost both of those battles overall if I'm not mistaken. I think it's better to look at his whole career since he has shown to be extremely adaptable, getting good drives out of multiple eras of car and showing his veracity.

[@BrendanP]

You know 2013 was bad when Ron Dennis said with hindsight a few years later that they should've reverted to their 2012 car at the start of the 2013 season.

[@thedeamonmeteor69420]

Ahh, 2013, the year were Lewis had a massive problem in the M-ulator

[@motorsportfanboy7769]

I see someone is a big fan of Toons 😂

[@dochidesu]

Oh dear it's happened again

[@imibuks-replit]

AH the M-ulator

[@F1-Person]

yeaaaaa...

[@ryanjonathanmartin3933]

lmfao childhood memories

[@uzaironf1704]

At least it had a nice livery, I suppose. 2013-2018 was painful as a McLaren fan.

[@MadeByPerspective]

I can only imagine 😬

[@KingofWolvesii]

Not the only time though - remember when Mclaren had Peugeot engines?

[@kityhawk2000]

I can deal with failure. It's the hope that really hurts. 2007, 2010 and 2012 McLaren should have really got at least 1 of these titles if not more.

[@KingofWolvesii]

@@kityhawk2000 2007 - politics 2010 - reliability 2012 - reliability the trouble with the 'modern formula 1 ' is that the cars are very reliable.

[@bigguy8435]

@@KingofWolvesii Imo, that 2015 Honda GP2 engine makes the Peugeot package seems competitive

[@grand24able]

Ohhh man, As a mexican I clearly remember the disappointment of watching Checo getting beaten race after race in what was supposed to be an amazing car. It also was my first full season as an f1 fan.... Keep up the amazing content, I love your work

[@MadeByPerspective]

Thank you mate very much appreciated!

[@kityhawk2000]

I think the problems with McLaren were starting to show even with the 2012 car. That car had pace to win the championship if not for the amount of retirements it had especially from race leading positions. Hamilton had 6 retirements that season. That's double what everyone ahead of him in the championship had added together

[@KingofWolvesii]

agreed

[@dbabu51]

Kimi had that same exact problem with mclaren. The mclaren Mercedes cars were very unreliable

[@mrdraw2087]

McLaren had a tendency to mess up big time when they had a great car. Not just in 2012, but 2005 and 2007 as well. Even in 1999 they tried very hard to lose both championships. It wasn't just retirements in 2012. They had some insanely poor pit stops and that fuel blunder in Spain as well. The championship should have been between Vettel and Hamilton, not between Vettel and Alonso (who had a terrific season). Vettel would probably have won anyway, as Hamilton was insanely unlucky as well.

[@KingofWolvesii]

@@mrdraw2087 hopefully they don't carry that trend with the new regs!

[@mrdraw2087]

@@KingofWolvesii I don't think their current management would allow that.

[@simbarocksone]

The start of a painful decline. Damn it was painful to see. Good to see them fighting near the front again.

[@SiVlog1989]

In retrospect, McLaren needed to only evolve the concept from 2012, that had been the fastest car for the majority of the season, but the team had had finger trouble, like pit stop blunders and poorly timed reliability issues. With 2013, they seemed to inexplicably threw caution to the wind and came up worse for it. They went from winning the Finale of 2012, with Jenson Button, to having their first season without a podium since 1980. They would have a false dawn of a podium in Australia 2014, but really, they wouldn't be podium contenders until 2020

[@JerryCrow]

I remember mclaren as a great when mika and kimi developed the car, and they had newey onboard. After that, lets say the fernando-lewis incident, they showed their true colours. These colours were show uptill the honda partnership. It wasn't just that it was the worst engine, they had also the draggiest car. It was evident after they swapped to Renault. It was not the livery that made it awesome, brawn was the catalyst.

[@Shenmoki]

start of 2013: Lewis why did you leave Mclaren >:( end of 2013: oh lol

[@MadeByPerspective]

Hahahah so true

[@benhorne9327]

As a McLaren fan, 2013-2017 (and somewhat 2018) was just painful to watch. Jenson (my fav driver) and Alonso (my fav "bad guy" of the grid) were absolutely robbed

[@GriggsHw]

MP4-18, the F1 car that never raced, and MP4-28, the car that was bad. There's only a few years left till MP4-38 now, hmmm... Edit: MCL-38, didn't notice the name's changed, my bad.

[@MadeByPerspective]

Uh oh…

[@thomascrawley5972]

That’s the reason why they changed the MP4-XX name format

[@ka9d00d3]

Also MP4-8 which wasn’t the greatest considering the 93’ Williams was on the grid

[@Adithya13303]

The MCL 38 will come a year before major rule changes as well.....

[@McLarenMercedes-011]

Coming from 2024, the MCL38 is a race-winning and consistent podium contending car 😄 you love to see it

[@aaronaaronsen3360]

I started watching F1 pretty recently, so I really enjoy those historic videos, thank you !

[@luisroman006]

Checo getting sacked was the best thing to happen, who knows where he’d be if had stayed, realistically probably an Indycar Champion which honestly would be cool, Indycar is a massively underrated motorsport but even better he’s now in a capable winning Red Bull. Good things come to those who wait. 🙏🏽

[@ashishmepani8536]

In a way it’s like Ferrari in 2019 who almost had the fastest car like McLaren but fell into the midfield a year later when the regulations staying the sm

[@marcoroberts9462]

well except for the FIA fuel flow directive which caused the whole 2020 situation

[@shravanav993]

My favourite F1 car is the MP4-23, The peak of aerodynamic lunacy

[@SemiMobilLampShade]

Thank you very much for taking the time to read through the other videos' comments, and through the poll comments. A lot of people are passionate about the colors of McLaren, and you do a very good service of bringing information about them to us. Stay safe, stay happy! I admit to being a part of the Gulf cult, but I do fancy the orange in any aspect it's used, but FLURO ORANGE was the best ever.

[@appapag7036]

This for me is where all of the mistakes and mishaps McLaren made from about when newey left(end of 05) to 2012 culminated from the controversies and behind the scenes mess to losing Lewis and their status as mercedes main focus

[@johncale1849]

Fun fact - Mclaren didnt win a race in the year before Lewis joined, 2006. ... and the same in the year after he left. .... but they won every year he was with them.... Lewis is the bringer of luck.

[@Darilon12]

G'day, Great video. And I really like the usage of polls as a teaser for the topic of the next video.

[@yellowflag9945]

I bet you didn’t know there was a yellow McLaren

[@ksok715]

Its so crazy that mclaren dropped checo for Kmag lmao

[@julianmorgan79]

They didn't drop him because of poor performances only it also was his attitude, he was clashing with button all the time and refusing to yield.

[@louisheywood6624]

Kmag performed better for McLaren that Sergio did granted it was a slightly better car but considering Kmag was a rookie in 2014 he did a pretty decent job

[@rjfaber1991]

Magnussen was also dropped after a year though. McLaren really liked to scapegoat its own drivers back in those days...

[@TurdInternational]

@@rjfaber1991 Seemingly these days as well

[@mrbungle3310]

Ferrari 2020 was a shocker,but id say the conspiracy about the paycheck is real,for both teams,Hamilton moved to a planned championship winner,ah how i miss Og Ron Dennis

[@RiderRated18]

As a McLaren fan, 2013 was massively disappointing considering that the team had been in contention for wins and championships over the past 8 years. To then suddenly have no podiums at all was a huge shock to my system as I felt McLaren would never fall that far back ever. Great video as always Perspective 👌🏁

[@theunusualtofu]

The Vodafone livery especially from the mclaren from 2008 is what got me into F1 and I was feeling some nostalgia when Mclaren announced their livery during 2020 and earlier this because of how its similar to the vodafone livery

[@brandonm8901]

Still cannot believe how well Hamilton finessed that team change

[@alexpeak16]

I read somewhere the main problem with the '13 car was underfloor airflow stalling because of the brand new concept. Apparently, it was multiple design projects trying get the car together and it was a complete trainwreck. Didn't help that they went to pull-rod front suspension and raising the chassis height so on bumpy circuits, it was at its absolute worst.

[@tomhutchins7495]

Such a shame that Perez got written off by a lot of people. It took so many consistently excellent performances in underfunded midfield cars to rebuild his reputation

[@Arado_Missile]

And redbull is the wrong team for him bc he was paring with max

[@hugolouessard3914]

The Chrome/West livery was better than the Vodafone grey and red livery by far !!! The 1997 to 2005 cars were magnificent ! The 2005 MP4/20 is, still to this day, the most beautiful F1 car of all times in my opinion. After that, they introduces some red and I think it wasn't that good looking.

[@samsea0489]

I disagree l like the Vodafone livery more than the Chrome/West livery

[@ChadLouisNewton]

I agree, that design from 97' to '01 during Hakkinen's time at McMerc (I call it that because they had a 40% stake at the time) was absolutely gorgeous. It's still my favourite livery on an F1 car to this day.

[@amit6844]

Flaws aside...the car looks so dope, side profile looks like some advance fighter jet. Hope mclaren again uses the same colour in 2022...i absolutely love that red-silver combo with voda sponsor.

[@stepladder3257]

It's like Mclaren and Mercedes swapped positions

[@dasgtr]

The MP4-27 was not at the end of its development cycle no matter what McLaren said in the wake of the -28's poor performance in early 2013 season. Throughout 2012 season, the -27 was the car to beat. It was fast in qualifying, and had race winning pace with minimal issues with the 2012 Pirelli tyres. It was also the car that had the best interpretation of the Coanda exhaust system before Red Bull unveiled their definitive version of the system from Singapore onward. McLaren's failure was due to poor strategy, pit-stop blunders, poor reliability caused by misplaced priorities on development, and wasting half the season focusing on getting Button's poor performance up to par with Hamilton. While an 'MP4-27D' might not have won 2013 against the Red Bull RB9, it would have been competitive against the Mercedes W04 and Ferrari F138, and certainly outperform the Lotus E21. Button initially described the -28 as the "best car he's ever driven and the most sophisticated F1 car McLaren ever made". Fair enough, the car displayed impressive speed during day 1 of pre-season testing. But then that turned out to be an anomaly caused by an incorrectly fitted suspension component (really?). Perez described the -28 being notoriously inconsistent. The driver, mechanics, engineers, and race strategists would always alter the set-up of the car every time it left the garage. Sometimes the car would excel in qualifying but would be hopelessly uncompetitive in the race. And other times the car would be competitive in a race but unable to gain position due to poor qualifying pace.

[@yourbeautynevereverscareme]

4:02 well said...one of the greatest racing circuit in the world 🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾

[@tomorainns145]

Im just happy theyre back in the mix :)

[@m.sydneyvern2260]

This is why i use this car as an example to tell anyone why they should never overthink anything...

[@mrkillerspartan1]

I still have the Monaco Gulf livery as my phones background photo. It’s just beautiful but I think if it were used every race, it’d be bad for the livery itself

[@BOABModels]

To dash or not to dash? I always read the names as MP4 28 but I've noticed lots of people, like yourself Sam, saying MP4 dash 28. Is that the official way?

[@MadeByPerspective]

Maybe I picked up the dash habit from tiametmarduk 😅

[@benjamincook8479]

The offical name is MP4-28

[@nathanq33]

Love the channel 🙌

[@MadeByPerspective]

Thank you mate!

[@barrybraynen8786]

Hamilton made a master stroke by leaving mclaren. He saw the issues mclaren started to develop and he got tf out of there

[@eric11]

Well i mean in 2012 mclaren was a solid team

[@barrybraynen8786]

@@eric11 They had inter team problems and I don't think anyone would want to be in that environment for their career

[@ChadLouisNewton]

​@@eric11Apart from Ferrari style strategy calls, botched pitstops, Mechanical failures for Hamilton when he should have won at Singapore & Abu Dhabi when he had both of those races in the bag.

[@mrdraw2087]

There is an interesting post on the 2013 McLaren somewhere on the internet (McLaren 2013 - Where did the pace go?). Another post claims they couldn't develop the 2012 car any further, so they had to develop a completely new car. "2013 was a failure in the making for several years already" as someone pointed out. By the way, I think it was pretty amusing the car was fast in testing when a part of the suspension was fitted incorrectly.

[@cosmostrek2001]

McLaren downfall began when hamilton left the best driver they ever had. they did not have him to develop the car. just like when mansell left williams because the were to cheap to pay him

[@richardm5664]

Crazy that Mclaren never really recovered from this.

[@KometVonHelvetien]

"to forgot" and yet a very good looking McLaren if not one of the best looking.

[@ZeroHedgehog1996]

And this is the car that more or less allows Martin Whitmarsh to get sacked, Paddy Lowe to leave for Mercedes and Vodafone stopping their partnership with McLaren

[@mrdraw2087]

Losing Whitmarsh and Lowe was a blessing in disguise I guess.

[@LB_701]

The car maybe was bad, but I think it was one of the best looking cars ever to race in f1.😍

[@IronServerHK]

10 years later, the same story began

[@0xKazuto]

and just yesterday, Mclaren bring back their Chrome livery... 🥰

[@MigGames7274]

Mclaren cars from 2015-2018: Allow us to introduce ourselves

[@eight8ate312]

Hope you and the fam are safe. Happy lockdown 🥳

[@MadeByPerspective]

Cheers bro

[@LisaSalters420]

IMO still one of the best looking cars of the V8 era

[@djmakk_]

Could you do the beastly mp4-20 next?

[@LtNduati]

Ah yes, the 2013 McLaren the car that made Lewis's move to Mercedes not seem as illogical as it had seemed at the time, and the one when Checo's brakes decided to pull an uncommanded 2021 Baku GP Lewis Race restart just as Checo exited the tunnel in Monaco

[@Liammac1878]

This the best looking f1 car ever

[@MadeByPerspective]

Was very nice!

[@dictumobiter1365]

@@MadeByPerspective Mp4-2B+Mp4-4, best looking McLaren F1 car ever😉😉😉

[@swampthing94]

West Mclaren & Marlboro McLaren liveries are the best

[@louielouie95]

This Car Never Retired From A 2013 Race

[@Neersg09]

As a mc laren fan... those years were pretty forgettable..

[@Dogomatic]

Well researched

[@DavidFerriday]

I never understood why they didn't just use the 2012 car. They were too proud to admit the concept was flawed and decided to keep the race winning car from the previous year in storage and continue with the 2013 flawed concept.

[@MrAmeame]

1:01 - Yes, it was a reminder that anything can happen in F1 except a driver earning a seat purely on driving ability only and not how many 0's daddy has in the bank 😶😅😂

[@F1-Person]

ah yes. The year where the M-ulator had a oopsie

[@hamzterix]

Mc Laren 2016: "Am I a joke to you"

[@roryevans4295]

I love Malaysia and sepang, but I won’t let anyone come by and claim sepang is more bumpy than Albert park (McLaren), speangs bumpy af, especially sector 2

[@NassimFTW]

Why was the lower ride hight a problem?

[@nightfury3546]

What about the 2009 McLaren?

[@elirussell1796]

Could you do the mp4/4 next?

[@wad316]

Mentions the poll, West livery still didn't get a shout :-(

[@bw8818]

2012, Mclaren had fastest car for most of the seasons but never capitalized on it.

[@A-BYTE94]

1:48 ye, and Perez got in to RB and wasted it's potential

[@raffaelender9464]

2015 McLaren: *allow me to introduce myself*

[@puiahnamte4763]

Mp4-27 was the fastest car in 2012

[@ХристиянМитев-я2д]

Well it's Still Better than 2015 lol

[@ENGCSHemangVerma]

If Checo never went to Mclaren, he would have been in Ferrari. 2013 was the year his career nearly ended.

[@indopleaser]

that orange livery would be fine without the matte finish. doesnt not look like a mclaren that i know

[@Huseyincc]

McLaren's great Tim Goss days.

[@robertmather7696]

Is that hat glued to your head? 😂😂

[@MadeByPerspective]

No but under the beanie is just my brain. No hair, no skull, just brain. It needs to be warm 🔥 🧠

[@lucaberger8344]

A ,,decent season" bruh they won 7 races out if 20😂

[@TL-xw6fh]

The McLaren-Hondud years after this are even worse!

[@SuperItalia494]

Would their 2012 car have been a better choice? Surely, considering it’s results in the 2012, Mclaren would of been better off.

[@joribremer5260]

why did they changed the concept.. couldnt understand.. McLaren had the fastest car of the field in 2012.. (mostly).. should had evolved it..

[@mrdraw2087]

They thought they couldn't develop the car further, that's how I understand it.

[@bojack99]

Yet lewis still won a grand prix! With 4 pole positions..

[@apc9681]

If they’d have listened to Whitmarsh and kept the 27 chassis who knows what could’ve happened, while Dennis was a time bomb 2013-2018 mclaren may not have ended as badly as it did, arrogance and stubbornness really wrecked the team.

[@mrdraw2087]

Didn't Whitmarsh want to re-unite McLaren and Honda in 2013?

[@bullseyearcher1]

Can someone explain to me why the noses were so high in the 2000s through 2010s

[@Disturbedmelloow]

Vodafone and Chrome was the best.

[@MENQN]

Lewis Hamilton 44 It was not the driver it was instead the car 😂😂😂

[@ignatiusng1843]

Who was the technical director in 2013 I hope he got sacked

[@benodaboy]

I mean it was a looker but.

[@hughesgoh5582]

Then 2015 came...

[@n1tro_rl]

i rate the car a stinky pooper/10

[@uhhhburger7321]

mate, no hate, but PLEASE, just speak a lil faster, I gotta watch at like 1.75 speed

[@OverHyped42]

i think u forgot the 2009 mclaren

[@MadeByPerspective]

That car won 2 races

[@Adithya13303]

That car was pretty quick after it got the double diffuser.

[@OverHyped42]

@@MadeByPerspective the updated car won 2 races it was called the worst F1 car at the start of the year by martin brundle

[@mrdraw2087]

@@Adithya13303 I believe the front wing was a problem as well. Once they fixed it, the car was quick indeed.

[@zorayzair0968]

The tytle and the video have two diferent meanings.

[@tobias03coimbra52]

Beautiful but shit, just like the Ferrari from 1993

[@MadeByPerspective]

Well said 😅

[@motorsportfanboy7769]

And yet '93 Ferrari still managed to get podiums...

[@dcnr]

Title spell check lol

[@MadeByPerspective]

Wot

[@nukedgamer9666]

Twenty therdeen twenty fordeen

[@maxwellpeter5955]

Mclaren, why must you make me hate towards you, huh?

[@MadeByPerspective]

Soz

[@DryMonster100]

Mclaren west >>>