An Honest Proposal To Christians...

Christopher offers an invitation to reconsider some misconceptions about the mother of Jesus.
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[@Swack]

Thank you for making this video! I'm Protestant, but I honestly can't stand when my Protestant brothers direct vitriol and prejudice toward those who are Catholic, and simply make blanket statements about what they believe despite not having truly looked into their beliefs themselves. Learning more about Catholic theology has been a good exercise for eliminating my own bias towards those who I have differences with. It's a shame that these miscommunications between brethren can result in Protestants losing respect and honor for Mary.

[@lulabella9249]

Praise be to God for your beautiful comment! Ave Maria!

[@christlyn1830]

Christians (Protestants) do NOT DISRESPECT nor DISHONOUR Mary, the Mother of Jesus.... Indeed, ALL Christians call her BLESSED...yet being aligned n faithful to God in His Word, Christians respect n honour Mary as far as God Himself has prescribed to be fitting for honouring a HUMAN BEING mightily used by God for His own Purposes n Glory, YES...created by God BUT YET... is still NOT GOD ...nor to be exalted to a position BETWEEN GOD n MAN... for that position is filled by Jesus Christ (God Himself) ... THE ONLY MEDIATOR BETWEEN GOD n MAN ... 🤔🙏 If any man were to be ABLE TO TAKE THAT POSITION.... it WLDNT HV BN necessary for Jesus (,GOD) to come AS MAN TO DIE FOR MAN! ... Mary WLDNT HV NEEDED to be bear Jesus as GOD-MAN in her womb... Any other GOOD HUMAN born of Mary wld HV SUFFICED... if Mary, a human...cld be "MEDIATRIX"...🙏

[@bobtosi9346]

@@christlyn1830not really sure of the point you’re trying to make. BUT MARY WAS GODS PLAN FROM THE BEGINNING.

[@bobtosi9346]

As you learn more about Catholic theology and what’s actually in the catechism my guess is that you will see that the Catholic Church is the one true universal church. I only say this because I walked away from the faith of my birth and spent years as a Protestant. The depth and richness of the truth of Gods word brought me back to my original Catholic faith

[@MattisWell.20]

Same

[@Gpacharlie]

She is the Ark of the New Covenant. She is our mother.

[@fredomcboxhead]

A living ark for a living covenant.

[@bobtosi9346]

@@fredomcboxhead🙏🙏🙏🙏👍

[@mikeydonnie]

I point out that most Protestants don't have a problem with venerating the American flag. They don't see reverence for the flag or songs about the flag as "worshipping " the flag, then why have a problem with MRy

[@user-xw7uc3kp4h]

With a deep appreciation to many of your teachings and mediations, I offer my perspective as a latino evangelical who came out of Catholicism. I understand the resistance and sometimes even hatred shown by some towards Mary but I don´t believe offending and much less being agressive against Catholics due to their theology of Mary (or any other beliefs) is from God. And yet if we are to honestly study and meditate what Scripture reads about Mary as well as to observe the practice of the veneration of Mary in many Catholic cultures (especially latino), we will find that the word play of "veneration vs worship" is quite unimportant. In practice, Mary is actually elevated to near godhood and is even referred to as mediator between man and Christ or is taught to be sinless (immaculate) including "forever virgin", ascended to heaven, miraculous, etc. Yet none of this is Biblical (even the parable of the field application to Mary is a far stretch), they may be teachings and traditions of the Catholic church but although Mary is mentioned both in the gosples as well as the book of Acts, we find no clear instruction in the Bible regarding any kind of interaction that should happen between the followers of Christ and Mary. And a sincere question I´ve had as I´ve listened to your very good meditations on sexuality; if our sexuality is something good given by God to express part of Himself in us within it´s bounds and limits, why the insistence from the Catholic church that Mary had no sex in her own marriage? And this even when the gosples clearly read that Jesus had brothers and sisters (and not the same word as cousins or relatives). I pray no one is offended but rather receives this in grace and considers it in prayer as it is shared in love and respect.

[@quicoboy]

...it's in The Manual...honor your father AND mother...and for a stepdad, you were pretty chill too, Joe...thanks for teachin the kid a trade...

[@jacobkeltz3584]

I'm a protestant (I think, I am not really sure what denomination I am in nowadays), and I like this video because at the end of the day truth is truth. Mary had a rare and exquisite honor to carry our Lord and there are few humans except maybe Peter or Paul that got a similar magnitude of honor. I'm still hung up on the Pope, especially the current one, but I do think the Catholic church has a better appreciation for Mary.

[@matthewwwade]

I like to remember that Jesus was a Jew and try to read the Bible in what I think a eastern writer would be trying to describe to us. In 1 Kings 1:31 we see Bathsheba bow to King David “Bowing to the floor in homage to the king, Bathsheba said, “May my lord, King David, live forever!” Because she was the bride of the King much like we are the bride of Christ. But in 1 Kings 2:19 we see the King do homage to his mother and provide a throne for her. “Then Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, and the king stood up to meet her and paid her homage. Then he sat down upon his throne, and a throne was provided for the king’s mother, who sat at his right.” I think this a glimpse into the Kingdom of God in heaven and that today Mary sits on the throne next to her son Jesus the King. Jesus has all authority and power given to him and Mary is allowed to sit next to him interceding for our needs.

[@cafiristanemperor]

Please, do notice the irony that many of our protestant brothers do not remember about the word "veneration". We use this word to talk about Our Lady AND just every other saint of God, since they all share the same attribute: to point us to Our Lord Jesus Christ.

[@seanmilliken4866]

Protestant here. I once spoke with a Catholic man saying facetiously 'Im protestant but i dont wanna fight you!' and this man said eloquently 'there is one God.' Now I respect Catholics because of men like him and you. Your videos healed my objectivity of women. Healed my idolatry of a womans body in my lust of the mind and eyes. And i say all this to follow honey with medicine. Im not sure you took the parable correctly. I am of the understanding that you and I are the pearl of great price. In Ezekiel 14 God is talking about idolatry and how He wants people to be for Him and He to be their God. Its a little bit of desperation I hear in Ezekiel 14 from God. Of course I understand this passage from a human perspective. Yet i cant help but wonder how Christ is not the purchaser, you and I the pearl or treasure, the field is the earth... In Revelation it talks about a scroll written within and without sealed with seven seals. John weeps. Why weep for a scroll? Dosnt make sense. Except that is the title deed to the earth. Christ is a next of kin to Adam thus eligible to redeem the title deed of the earth. Thus the field is the earth. Christians are the treasure hidden within. Christ is worthy to redeem it. He had to pay an enormous sum for it. I think somewhere in the old testament there is a foreshadowing of this very thing. The Jews were going into captivity and someone buried a title deed because they were gonna redeem it after being taken captive. God gave dominion over the earth to Adam. There is a verse that says to whome you give yourself to they are your master. So Adam lent him his belief and the serpent became his master. Esau disdained his birthright, reduced to a morsel of bread. I love Catholics but it is a stretch to venerate Mary so much. This parable, in my humble opinion, does not follow as described. Nevertheless John says 'he who hates his brother, the love of Christ is not in him' And Galatians 6:1&2 describes the law of Christ and its meaning. So I want to say i very much appreciate what God has accomplished in my life through you. I love you brother! Hugs and everything! Lets have a get together in the afterlife to worship our King of kings and Lord of lords! Amen

[@simeonwaia]

Biblical parables have many levels of meaning. His use of the parable to explain the concept of Mary being the field and Jesus being the treasure makes perfect sense. Here's another way to think of it, all christians venerate the cross of Jesus, because our salvation was made possible through the cross. Mary is venerated for the same reason. Except she is a living person, not an inanimate object, who carried Jesus in her own body. And no matter how much we love and venerate her, we can never love her more than Jesus loves His own mother.

[@seanmilliken4866]

​@@simeonwaiaexcept when Jesus literally says 'the kingdom of heaven '... It's really unambiguous. The kingdom of heaven has citizens and its not of this world, therefore a treasure hid... I just cannot bend myself to another understanding. I could listen to arguments about different rapture beliefs. I could listen to alot of different theological things. This is something that i can only play devil's advocate with. And that only flippantly or facetiously or ironically. Cest la vie. Je ne cest qua. Cest moi!

[@simeonwaia]

@@seanmilliken4866 The treasure in the parable is the Kingdom of Heaven. What makes a kingdom a kingdom? The King. Wherever the King lives, there is His kingdom. When Christ lived in the womb of the Blessed Mother, SHE was the kingdom. Because for one to be a citizen of the Kingdom of Heaven Christ has to be in you. Mary symbolically and literally fulfills Scripture. As someone who grew up a protestant, the more I learnt about the Church's teachings about her and began to ask for her intercession, the more I fell in love with her. And I began to see her hidden all over Scripture. In the Ark of the Covenant for example.

[@seanmilliken4866]

​@@simeonwaiammmm. I can see this. I could describe it as the pearl is the church. Who is the body of Christ. The continuation of His works. But its just just something maybe we will disagree with. I can see how mary would be compared to the basket Moses was hidden in. And that would make Moses a type of Christ. Colossians 3:15 If you find peace with it. Nevertheless i still wanna feel loved and to love all brothers and sisters in Christ. So... ❤

[@timrichardson4018]

I'm a new Catholic who came from an evangelical background. Mary, or course, was an issue I had to restle with. I had an eye opening moment about Mary after I first came to understand prayer to the saints, thanks to Bishop Barron. God is not the greatest being among many. He is the source and ground of all being. Ergo, he is not competitive with his creation. In other words, honoring someone or something because of the union that person or thing has with God does not in the least diminish God or the glory due him. It's this same fact that makes the incarnation non contradictory. Jesus' humanity is not displaced by his divinity nor visa versa. Also, her role is perfectly consistent with God's MO throughout the history of salvation. He always calls lowly human beings to fulfill his will and thus they are honored. Also, God wants to glorify his creation, making us participants in his own divine nature, as Peter says. She is the prototype of that, so to speak, the icon or first example of the fulfillment God wants to bring all of us to, but for her with the highest honor possible because she is the Mother of God.

[@trogaf]

Thank you 🙏🏽

[@clairetickell478]

Has anyone read the book “Jesus and the Jewish Roots of Mary” by Dr. Brant Pitre? This book, rooted in Scripture and our Jewish roots as Christians, answered a lot of my questions about Mary and brought me to a deeper understanding of her son, Jesus Christ, which is her role, by the will of God the Father! I’m also struck by the phrase: “It is not everyone who says, ‘Lord, Lord,’ who enters the Kingdom of Heaven, but those who do the will of the Father.” What is God the Father’s will for us in the person of Mary? I’m grateful for the gift God the Father gave us in choosing Mary to be the vessel through which He gives is His Son. I receive that gift. Thank you, God. This discussion deserves more space than a KZbin comments box allows… Happy research, Everyone!

[@georgefuentes4112]

❤❤❤

[@danielnunez3206]

Beautiful, thank you

[@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute]

We're glad it blessed you!

[@SeanMMcCormack]

Fantastic explanation (theology). thank you

[@Tamkaizen]

Helpful explanation .Thanks

[@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute]

You are welcome!

[@slyguy.7216]

It is truly a profound and beautiful teaching of the Church that Mary is our mother in a mystical way. I fear for many of my Protestant brothers and sisters the chasm is too far to cross in recognizing this, particularly in the West where we don’t understand filial honor or respect to parents. It is only the Holy Spirit who can open the eyes of people who genuinely don’t see these connections or who have even categorized many types of veneration incorrectly as idolatry. Compartmentalized Christianity leaves us robbed of the deep familial richness of our faith, that the human heroes who walked in friendship with the Lord on the earth (Saints) are to be viewed as the Jews viewed Moses in Christ’s time on the earth. I would dare anyone to speak of Moses or Abraham to an Orthodox Jew in the manner Protestants are often found speaking of the Mama Mary. I struggled with this myself until I realized that even the Reformers held a rightly oriented reverence for her.

[@hellokittyusamex101]

Does anyone know a Spanish version of Christopher West 😅 I have a protestant friend who only understands Spanish and I would love to share videos like these to him. Love these videos ❤

[@1annewatkins]

Beautiful .

[@_tndn]

Very important point about how worship is thought about in different circles and how it could propagate concerns about idolatry. I will have to do more research.

[@coldforgedcowboy]

Nice job on this one Christopher!

[@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute]

Thanks for listening!

[@JacksonMulkey]

I am a Protestant and found this channel recently - I really enjoy these videos so much and they have really helped me a lot! This is one of the few teachings from this channel I’ve heard that I even disagree with 🤣 but I totally understand it and respect it. Offering a Protestant perspective to those who might want to hear it, when I read John 1 talking about the Word becoming flesh and dwelling (or tabernacling) among us, I don’t think John is really trying to emphasize Mary as God’s dwelling - that doesn’t necessarily feel connected to the point of the chapter. To me it just seems like he’s talking about Jesus being human, God becoming a man. That is central to the gospel. Overall, to me it seems like the Catholic view of Mary is an eisegesis that is being read into passages that don’t have anything to do with that. I also think making the point “to know Mary is to know Jesus” feels like a slippery slope, even if well intended. I think Mary is worthy of so much respect and honor, but statements like these almost feel like John 14 where Jesus says that if we know Him or see Him, we see the Father. It seems to almost put Mary on the level of Jesus. Rather than putting such an emphasis on Mary as the temple of the Lord, I think we are called to see each Christian as God’s temple. That to me is the beauty of the gospel - that God’s manifest presence is no longer hidden away or constrained behind one physical space but dwells with and inside each of his people. We are all temples of the Holy Spirit. Each of the arguments you applied to Mary as the temple could hypothetically be applied to believers being “temples” of the Holy Spirit, which seems much more supported in Scripture. But because of seeing all believers being filled with the Holy Spirit and made in the image of God, I love the people of this channel and my fellow brothers in the faith, even if I don’t share all their views! I don’t agree with the views stated in this video, but I really respect that Catholics feel convicted to give Mary such a high level of honor, with it all revolving around our shared love and worship of Jesus as Lord. Thank you to the people of the Theology of the Body Institute for making such kind, helpful videos! I’m subscribing to the channel 👍

[@RJFares]

Totally agree. Connotations were introduced to justify the Catholic reverence of Mary. I totally respect the author of the channel, but I stopped watching at around 4 min in when he used 1Jn1-4 (We have seen the glory of the lord, the eternal life)… I mean, even if I REALLY want to force myself to see it, that's just a weird connotation of Mary. It's about Jesus, not Mary's womb. Other instances were about Jerusalem or Jesus, not Mary.

[@TheologyoftheBodyInstitute]

Glad we can have a rich dialogue! Pray for us please!

[@TrishT_3]

Without Mary, there is no redemption, for it is her surrender to God that brought Jesus into the world. Mary who chose to believe the Angel and risk her self to the wrath of men, by accepting the Holy Spirit and bringing forth our Savior as a virgin. A faith so strong, so pure, that she chose to trust God and bear Jesus, God Incarnate. No one else could answer this calling. For God prepared and predestined Mary to be the Mother of God. It does not take away from God to venerate His Mother, rather it glorifies Him, for this was His plan. From the end of the first century Mary is depicted in the frescos in the catacombs. St. Justin Martyr, (165 AD) wrote, The Son of God became man through the Virgin that the disobedience caused by the serpent might be destroyed in the same way in which it had originated. For Eve, while a virgin incorrupt, conceived the word which proceeded from the serpent, and brought forth disobedience and death. But the Virgin Mary was filled with faith and joy when the Angel Gabriel told her the glad tidings.... And through her was he born. St. Irenaeus (202 AD) wrote, Just as Eve, wife of Adam, yet still a virgin, became by her disobedience the cause of death for herself and the whole human race, so Mary, too, espoused yet a Virgin, became by her obedience the cause of salvation for herself and the whole human race.... And so it was that the knot of Eve's disobedience was loosed by Mary's obedience. For what the virgin Eve bound fast by her refusal to believe, this the Virgin Mary unbound by her belief. St. Ambrose (397 AD) said, It was through a man and woman that flesh was cast from Paradise; it was through a virgin that flesh was linked to God....Eve is called mother of the human race, but Mary Mother of salvation. How can we not venerate and reverence the Theotokos who always points us to her Son.

[@kurthasedd7923]

I think there are good points to be made on both sides of the argument. As a Catholic, I think some Catholics cross the line of veneration and into worship, as some do with certain Saints, not all but some. From the Protestant side however, some of the things that come out of their mouth towards Mary borders on the slanderous. This is usually in the context of talking to Catholics, but still some of them will diminish her downright to just being some lady that God picked out of a hat and that's just plain wrong. As for Mary and the Saints standing in the Catholic Church, I was torn on this for some time when I began taking my faith more seriously. Protestants will point out that in scripture it says this that and the third and say "this is conclusive" and I disagree. We don't pray to the dead, we pray to those that are alive, we do not pray for their direct intervention as though they were God although they do at times intervene, we don't make offerings etc. I don't think Protestants will fail to meet Gods expectations in most of their views, but I believe with a lot of what we do as Catholics is an enhancement of our experience with God on earth. I also think from the practical point of view is that there's just a lot of bad blood between the 2, Martin Luther might be at it's base, but the roots go further back to even Jan Hus and maybe even the Cathars. But we can look at another instance, early in Catholic history where there was truly ONE church that had a schism, creating Latin Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Catholics. They parted ways on relatively good terms with the intent to get back together and although that hasn't happened, despite almost 1000 years of growing as separate institutions, a lot of Eastern Orthodox Catholic practices line up with Roman Catholic practices. They still practice Eucharist, they Baptize children, they hold their own version of Confession and they still say prayers to Saints and Mary, just like Roman Catholics, despite them as well having a lot of negative things to say of Roman Catholics

[@schottlife9205]

Christopher, you have opened my eyes to see that Catholics can have the Spirit of God living in them. Unfortunately, I have never met face to face a catholic who lives with what I would refer to as an authentic love for Jesus. I am Protestant and have benefited greatly from your teachings. I still disagree that praying or giving “praise” to Mary or the saints is part of the Christian walk. This and other Catholic rituals are not what Christ did or called us to do. I could ask questions surrounding these things. For example Peter was married. Why does the Catholic Church not allow preachers to marry?

[@joyfulservantsofthecross]

Fr Gregory Pine OP puts it this way - YES we WORSHIP MARY / with Dulia -like we "worship" our parents or spouse not with Latria which is the highest form of worship, and goes to God alone, so as he puts it, yes we do worship Mary, but not the same type, or a category of worship, that we worship God

[@christlyn1830]

3) Matthew 13:44-46... The Parable of the Hidden Treasure 44 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and hid; and for joy over it he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. The Parable of the Pearl of Great Price 45 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking beautiful pearls, 46 who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had and bought it.

[@AndyReichert0]

I love your perspective on things, so i was excited to hear what you'd say of Mary. sadly, it's the usual approach: assume a typological reading that, unlike truly scriptural types, isn't given by scripture, and imply a dichotomy of either hailing Mary or belittling Mary. To protestants, such a weak case comes off as either naïve or deceitful. Yes, we should respect Mary, but scripture has no command to pray to or sing praises to anyone other than God.

[@LaserFace23]

Respectfully, this perspective of "Scripture has no command to sing praise to anyone other than God" is borderline Gnosticism; everything about Mary points to God, as the video says, so all praise of her ultimately praises Him and does nothing to take away from Him. If we take the attitude you outlined to its logical conclusion, we're left wondering why God created anything as He did at all, because to praise any of it distracts us from Him. Rather, God is an artist, and Mary is His masterpiece -- and praising a masterpiece's quality is ultimately saying "Look how great of an artist the one who made you is." The praise is all scriptural, the types are all there, and I'm happy to explain them, but obviously none of it is going to matter if we take the (ironically not stated by Scripture) attitude of "if it's not explicitly stated by Scripture, don't do it."

[@christlyn1830]

4) Hi, Mr speaker...the Bible verse u quoted from Matthew 13:44 (The Parable of The Kingdom of God)...is followed by Matthew 14:45,46 (The Parable of The Pearl of Great Price). Indeed, the man in vs 44 did buy the field in which the treasure was found...but is it recorded about what he did with the field? Indeed, the treasue was what the man was after...n indeed that treasure ALONE had THE INTRINSIC VALUE ... that field merely contained the treasure... So, what is reasonable to be concluded from a layman's stance?...Wld the man hv focussed on the treasure or on the field...in other words, does the field become as much treasured by virtue of it having held the treasure before?...Just like THE ARK OF THE COVENANT... Was the Ark ever considered as HOLY for having housed the Covenant before? 🤔🙏

[@christlyn1830]

8) Hi, Mr speaker... ROMANS 8:30... says.... _"Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified."_ _To a non-believer in Christ... "blessedness" / 'to be glorified" definitely holds different meaning from that of a believer in Christ... or one who SUBMITS TO CHRIST as God, Saviour n Lord ..._ 🤔 *_What kind of GLORIFICATION wld a child / servant of God desire / covet from God in this life... ie even BEFORE JESUS HIMSELF is GLORIFIED or COMES AGAIN IN GLORY as The King of Kings and Lord of Lords ???_* _WHO wld HE/SHE be... who desires/covets the EARTHLY THRONE OF GOD even BEFORE JESUS RETURNS to take His Rightful Place?... _*_I wld think....Surely NOT Mary, The faithful, obedient n humble Mother of Jesus..._* 😬🙏

[@Maryismymom2]

Oh look another know it all post from another Protestant troll. Go away.

[@christlyn1830]

7) WHEN n IF Christians truly BELIEVE n CALL Mary "BLESSED" in the Biblical sense of the word...if appreciated n applied in true Biblical PROTOCOL n by Biblical DEFINITIONS... everything falls into place ACCORDING TO GOD'S DIVINE PLAN... Man is NOT to meddle/mess with God's PROTOCOL n DEFINITIONS... for indeed everyone PRE-DESTINED OF GOD wl be CALLED... wl be JUSTIFIED ... n wl then be GLORIFIED... ROMANS 8:30... "Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified." To a non-believer in Christ... "blessedness" / 'to be glorified" definitely holds different meaning from that of a believer in Christ... or one who SUBMITS TO CHRIST as God, Saviour n Lord ...🤔 What kind of GLORIFICATION wld a child / servant of God desire / covet from God in this life... ie even BEFORE JESUS HIMSELF is GLORIFIED or COMES AGAIN IN GLORY as The King of Kings and Lord of Lords ??? _WHO wld HE/SHE be... who desires/covets the EARTHLY THRONE OF GOD even BEFORE JESUS RETURNS to take His Rightful Place?... _*_I wld think...Surely NOT Mary, The faithful, obedient n humble Mother of Jesus..._* 😬🙏

[@christlyn1830]

10) Hi, Mr speaker...Genesis 3:14-17 says... So the Lord God said to the serpent: “Because you have done this, You are cursed more than all cattle, And more than every beast of the field; On your belly you shall go, And you shall eat dust All the days of your life. 15 _And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel.”_ To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.” Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. ... 😖🙏

[@christlyn1830]

2) Hi, Mr speaker ... To continue on my PREVIOUS COMMENT (1) ... Wld be good for anyone here interested in Biblical Truth... to go back to the Garden of Eden to relook what the contention was that gave rise to this enmity... What was the DIVINDING LINE between the TWO "enemy groups"? 🤔🙏 Not claiming to be any expert on this...nor claiming clarity in my attempt to explain...but just a sharing on my part. Hope this wl help roman catholics (rc) to undertand that Christians in general HV NOT misunderstood rc-mariology ( with some exceptions maybe ) ... so perhaps rc need to RE-LOOK what they are prescribing to the contrary...in the form of rc-mary who is "OFF-CHARACTER"... compared to the Mary of the Bible... 🤔🙏 Again, Christians (or Protestants against d rc system, NOT AGAINST GOD / GODLY TRUTHS)... do NOT HATE Mary... the TRUE CHARACTER, Mary the Mother of Jesus... but indeed, hate the IMPERSONIFICATION of Mary who is also/ still named "Mary" ( or I wld call rc-mary for purpose of identification)... a stance which I believe is IN LINE with OBEDIENCE to God in His Word... 🙏

[@MrFluffykat]

To worship Mary it to commit the sin of IDOLATRY

[@TrishT_3]

Catholics do not worship Mary.

[@seventyseven5140]

God could have sent Jesus to earth without Mary so I don’t think No Mary No Jesus holds up

[@TrishT_3]

God could have done it any way he wanted as He is God. But He chose Mary to be a part of His plan and bear and raise His Son. He did not pick her womb, He picked her. So no Mary, no Jesus was His Divine plan.

[@LaserFace23]

God also could've just snapped His Divine Fingers and forgiven our sins instantaneously without becoming incarnate at all, but instead He chose the Crucifixion as His method. So if it's accurate to say "No Cross, no salvation" it's also accurate to say "No Mary, no Jesus"

[@tatie7604]

Without Joseph, Mary and Jesus would have been dead.

[@maryzupo7176]

Through the Holy Ghost, Mary became pregnant with Jesus. Through God's Plan. She was humble and obeyed God, said yes to be the Mother of Jesus. We still pray to God through Jesus Christ. As a Catholic/Methodist I respect and honor Mary as much as the Apostles as they all answered the call of God. Just as the prophets in the old testament answered the call from God, from Noah to Hosea. She said yes. I still follow Jesus instructions to pray to my Father in Heaven just as he did. I have no disrespect for Catholics or how they worship. I don't agree with everything the Catholic or the Protestant Church's decree or practice. We are all human, fallible and incapable of perfection. Only through Jesus Christ are we saved. All I can give God is my love.

[@christlyn1830]

11) Reading IN CONTEXT ... the Bible verse that was quoted within Genesis 3:14-17... n setting it against the backdrop of the event of the FALL OF MAN... from the sin of Adam & Eve...it can be seen that that ENMITY was SET BY GOD following the INTRINSIC MEANING / NATURE OF that SIN which God sees as SERIOUS...ie that is the DIVIDING LINE between Truth n lies/pseudotruths ... in fact, BETWEEN "of God" ...and ... "NOT of God"... but yet MIGHT SEEM TRIVIAL TO MAN! ... NOT believing God ABOVE ALL ELSE... putting OWN voice / other things / ppl's voice above God's ! ...That was what Eve n then Adam did ... n that was WHERE Mary of The Bible...ie Mary the Mother of Jesus DID THE OPPOSITE! ...🙏

[@christlyn1830]

12) And so, Mr speaker... when Roman catholicism presents a "Mary" whose character does NOT TALLY with the character of Mary that God has portrayed/revealed in His Word... are u of the opinion that a FAITHFUL Christian, a born-again child of God who is not necessarily a child of Mary.... ought to be LOVING that rc-mary....ie to DISBELIEVE GOD about Mary, the Mother of Jesus??? 🤔🙏

[@christlyn1830]

5) Hi, Mr Speaker ... This is NOT TO SAY that the field has no value n need not be appreciated ...NO!... What's emphasised here is that the field n the treasure...TWO DISTINCTIVE items need to be treasured / appreciated in ways APPROPRIATE to each... Rc use the word "VENERATION" for honour of rc-mary...but this is often STRETCHED TOO FAR...not only by rc magisterium headed by d rc-pope ...but also by individual groups of rc ppl in their LOCAL churches! Besides, Mr speaker ...u were saying that WORSHIP involves a SACRIFICE...so singing exaltative songs of praise to "Mary" is NOT WORSHIPPING her...but indeed...TO THE CONTRARY... Hebrews 13:15..."Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name." Thus the singing of praises is part n parcel of WORSHIP... In the Christian context... PRAISES is offfered IN SACRIFICE as the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to God's Name... but why is such used FOR EXALTATION of the name of "Mary" ... whom rc themselves also agree was HUMAN n NOT GOD??? Rc cannot deny this OVERBOARD EXALTATION of "Mary" simply by using ANOTHER WORD ("veneration") to name that blasphemous act!...😬🙏 www.desiringgod.org/messages/the-sacrifice-of-praise

[@christlyn1830]

_12) And so, Mr speaker... *when Roman catholicism presents a "Mary" whose character does NOT TALLY with the character of Mary that God has portrayed/revealed in His Word*... are u of the opinion that a FAITHFUL Christian, a born-again child of God who is not necessarily a child of Mary...(God only reveals about being A CHILD OF GOD, no mention about becoming a child of Mary...This was only inferred from Jesus giving Mary to the care of John)... ought to be LOVING that rc-mary....ie to DISBELIEVE GOD about Mary, the Mother of Jesus???_ 🤔🙏

[@christlyn1830]

1) Hi, Mr speaker... This video wld hv bn valid if u only had clarity in that which u are prescribing here. Indeed, NO Christian hates the Mary who was the Mother of Jesus described in The Bible...but indeed, Christians cant do anything else but "hate or detest" that which God Himself "hates or detest"... And indeed that had bn laid down in The Bible verse in Genesis 3 about the enmity that God Himself has put... between the seed of the woman and the seed of d serpent. And so, what is the difference between the TWO GROUPS of seeds? Even so, a qualifier is needed here so that this ENMITY wl not filter onto enmity between PERSONS of the TWO GROUPS...ie the enmity is in the BELIEFS...as the Bible verse is NOT MEANT for anyone to identify with either one of the groups n thence culivate HATRED for people in the other group...NO! Why is that so?... Do take some time off to think about that, wld u? 🤔🙏

[@seventyseven5140]

I believe that Jesus was fully man and fully God, and that no other of mankind is any more than man. It sounds like you place her higher than I would have even expected any Catholic to do, saying that she alone is the temple of God. I also think you misquoted the verse about the Word becoming flesh and dwelling amongst us, which I think suggests dwelling in each of us, each of us a temple of God, it dwelling solely in Mary’s womb. Yes she is to be respected as the chosen mother of Jesus, but she is no higher nor greater than any other woman. Those are my thoughts

[@christlyn1830]

9) Thus, Mr speaker... pls be clear that ur contention...that Christians have a "HATRED FOR MARY" is NOT CORRECT n is indeed UNFOUNDED! ...Indeed, Christians LOVE MARY, the Mother of Jesus... the way God prescribes as He does for the way that children are to LOVE N PROVIDE FOR THEIR PARENTS esp in old age... but indeed, Christians can be said to HATE d mary who is venerated n exalted by rc... d rc-mary who, besides being blasphemously EXALTED by rc itself ... also EXALTS HERSELF thro her own apparitions n demands upon rc ppl TO DEFY GOD'S COMMAND to not make GRAVEN images of anything in heaven or on earth! ... that RELIGIOUS PRACTICE that God Himself SAYS that He HATES!... 😬🙏

[@Maryismymom2]

Try again-evangelicals do not honor or respect her. You only hear about her at Christmas time and only to allude that “she’s just a Girl and was not sinless”. That’s an exact quote from an evangelical pastor I worked with that loved to flap his gums about Mary and knew nothing. Get off this channel and stop wasting the comment section with your downplaying of Mary. Despicable behavior.

[@christlyn1830]

6) Besides, Mr speaker...U were saying "NO Mary NO Jesus"? ... Do u mean to imply that God's Plan of Salvation WLD HV FAILED if WITHOUT MARY???... Is that true...Is that a possible scenario...one that HINGES ON MARY as the main player, so to speak??? ... That is DEFINITELY NOT TRUE! In fact, it ought be the other way around ...ie NO JESUS, NO MARY...for it is coz of God's PRE-DEFINED SOVEREIGN PLAN OF SALVATION that the role of Mary came as part of the "drama" of the INCARNATION of Jesus in her womb!... Besides the ACCOMPLISHED ROLE OF MARY herself was ORCHESTRATED by God Himself by virtue of His Omniscience....having KNOWN BEFORE Mary was born, wjat kind of woman she wld be, when given the FREE CHOICE to either BELIEVE or DISBELIEVE GOD! ...God knew that Mary WLD BELIEVE and OBEY...God knew that His Plan WL WORK OUT even befire the Plan was rolled out...coz it is also HE HIMSELF who wld being it to completion BY HIS GRACE ...n NOT by Mary's "YES" alone... Mary was CHOSEN from among MAN (woman) coz of the disposition of HER HEART THAT LOVES GOD... that was KNOWN TO GOD even BEFORE she was born!...🤔🙏

[@Maryismymom2]

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