An HONEST Reaction to Westside Gunn’s “Still Praying”|Hip Hop Music

[@danieltenkorang9519]

I agree with you. At this point just vibes ain’t going to do it. He’s had his time, at this point it’s just for his fans. He has a niche

[@traviscarter1023]

R.I.P Quincy Jones

[@ndeed725]

Word up! & Rest In Power to Quincy Jones

[@Eeze]

💯… salute to the standard, Mr. Quincy Jones.

[@Daybreakhasme]

He found a lane..and tbh,im not looking for "substance " from him.🤷🏾‍♂️

[@Eeze]

I expect some sort of substance/evolution from ALL artists.

[@dfwherbie8814]

That’s why the black community is in this falling state. Men like you, “men” who haven’t accepted their age and grown in maturity, think it’s perfectly acceptable to consume content that denigrates women, mocks God, brag about selling and cooking drugs, brags about murder, etc. you are mentally underdeveloped if you can be a grown adult male and seriously listen to music like this and actually expect for the world to take you seriously.

[@jobros2795]

@@dfwherbie8814what a goofy ass comment lmao like I said yall some SNOBS it’s entertainment goofy. Where is your father at ? Looking for life lessons from rappers 😂

[@dfwherbie8814]

@ I’m goofy because I’m an uneducated man with morals and sense? Sure, lil guy. I own homes, business, have 4 degrees, happily married, etc. What have you accomplished in life?

[@jobros2795]

@ Could you sound anymore pretentious ?

[@peterbadami4872]

I like Westside Gunn, but he throws around the words "Legend" and "Classic" like the words are meaningless. You don't label yourself a Legend and stamp every album you release as a classic; the culture does over time!

[@v.m.m101]

Westside Gunn is an artist that you can’t expect much from except for his usual work, if you’ve liked his formula since day one, he won’t disappoint. It’s just that he gives us that responsibility to be prepared for his same stuff every time he drops. I’m cool with it. It works for me and I ride around to it

[@thatlobsterrtho1258]

i think that's why i fw gibbs more. every album he has something to say, and they're the same age too.

[@romaretaylor9953]

That’s not true Gibbs does a LOT of bragging and flexing, if you can do style over substance well like him and westside it’s fine

[@thatlobsterrtho1258]

@romaretaylor9953 ik he does but it does get stale talking about extravagance every album in a rudimentary way. U can talk about it but spice it up like what Clipse did throughout their career

[@mthokozisizikhali8105]

I 1000% agree with this take. Everything and more. On point

[@Eeze]

🫡

[@Bloombergizzle]

I'm glad someone mentioned this. I don't understand how something can be released and within the second it's a classical. Doesn't classic include a time frame? As in something in the distant past. Anyhow, I've been a very huge Griselda fan since 2017, but it's always bothered me that they mentioned what items are going to be classicals upon release. A classical test time and a few seconds upon release doesn't signify a classic. It's odd.

[@Vinnytint2]

Once Gunn got money he fell off , more concerned about his clothes and his jewels

[@CB12345]

Honestly his music is mediocre. It never stood out.

[@romaretaylor9953]

@@CB12345 name 10 albums in 2016 better than FLYGOD. Yall are buggingggg shit is a classic Album no debating

[@danewst.v7278]

#djzartan

[@da1onlynickvicious]

I don’t see it. The music itself is fire.. it is the same but it is what it is.. I would love to see him humanize himself more and talk about real life at this point for him more but shit still slaps.

[@Vinnytint2]

@ honestly this new one was much better than the last few

[@artdealernemesis]

This is my problem wit cats bragging about not writing no lyrics or writing their lyrics in one day…how can you possibly be proud of that! The artists that I admire took time to put a project together and they WROTE their lyrics. Cats that took the craft seriously wouldn’t release new music until a year later, maybe two. I could keep going but it’s too much to type.

[@WeizeBaby]

I agree you could feel there were effort put into the albums back then.

[@elahosun2101]

Yes and no.Now my favorite emcee is a writer but not everyone is a writer sometimes the paper can mess u up.When I was younger I used to write my ass but 1 day in 20s I tried to write something on paper and the shit couldn't click to save my life after that I either used photographic memory or freestyle punch ins and been sizzling since so it depends what type of mind the individual has to be good at that

[@RLRSHPGabarAsh]

Yea ever since Jay z said he freestyles his albums alot of these rappers be on that lying about writing and taking time to put together your projects like you wack if you write

[@danewst.v7278]

#splashalca💥 HARLEM NY IN DA MF BUILDING 💥#djzartan

[@LifebyDe]

I couldn't agree more. Once had a friend tell me, he don't like to think when listening to music. I didn't even know you couldn't, but that's the difference for me.

[@Peytonwatson14]

I had a friend say that and I was dumbfounded. Because I don’t ever want to be in that thoughtless mind state. Music is meant to be digested imo

[@BigCore-]

a lot of people say that (especially outside of NY)… My response is “if you read regularly you wouldn’t have to think, you’d know” 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@DeckCole]

Y'all buggin lmao. Not a classic but some of the doper shit out there.

[@alonargus]

Agreed. I’ve been listening to Griselda since FLYGOD. Every project just sounds the same now. No evolution, no more experimentation, light on substance. But yet, every drop is a classic and AOTY. Listeners need to give real lyricists more shine and flowers.

[@aaronbrown944]

I guess im in the minority in this comment section i guess 🤷‍♂️ and max caster is the best track to me and he definitely stepped up his game rapping wise to me with he was rhyme schemes and syllable piece up

[@perennialviralbasketball24]

RANSOM Cabrini Green Project is Amazing!!!!

[@jevonlloyd3058]

🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🎯

[@SomeplaceintheMiddle2025]

Westside is that dude!!! He's Jackson Pollock, Basquiat, Mark Rothko... the art alone for his work speaks volumes, and evolution is not always the goal!

[@inosukehashibira5511]

Evolution is very important

[@BklynZu]

I definitely agree the beats & the production is there but lyrically & topically he isn't saying anything especially for someone his age he has enough life experience to have something more to rap about then being fly selling drugs and getting money

[@leroygreen6310]

Bro Rae and Ghost got a hundred songs where they just flexing style. That's like 95% of they catalog and nobody expects anything more than that.

[@brunojosuequifanda3733]

@@leroygreen6310 Exactly Lol.

[@BklynZu]

​@leroygreen6310 that's not entirely true songs like " Cream" "Can it be all so simple"& " All I Got is you" are great examples of them rapping about their real lives & how they grew up & they did those songs in their twenties while West Side is twice their age and all he could rap about are superficial things in his forties come on he has more to offer then that at 42 years old.

[@BklynZu]

​@@brunojosuequifanda3733 you listen to Latin music so I have no idea why you involved yourself in this conversation Daddy Yankee 😂😂😂😂😂

[@brunojosuequifanda3733]

@@BklynZu do you Gave props when Eminem rap about his real life his entire career?

[@Baldedtoe]

This is his most thought out album since pray for Paris. It’s technically the same story I’m flyest and the grimiest, but this almost him taking a minute to look at his career. 11 is fucking amazing, a love letter to his friend and city. I don’t get the westside hate. I love lyrical spiritual, but Westside still has bars and makes great music.

[@winstonwolfwhiteshoes]

It's not hate. He's falling off and only talks about the same exact stuff everytime at age 42.

[@brandonwilson9101]

Most of the people that don’t like him or want him to grow are the purists not understanding his whole shit is about the lifestyle..shit Benny started out on trap beats lol they never were nor lived the boombap life they just found a niche

[@romaretaylor9953]

@@winstonwolfwhiteshoes if his core base still loves the music and still go to shows and making big money he didn’t fell off. Fell off means even talent wise you ain’t got shit he’s still lyrically better than almost all mainstream rappers rn, but yall old niggas Been saying rap fell off since Wayne and Jeezy popped so big shocker huh lol

[@Peytonwatson14]

He gives me “you heard it once you heard it all” type of vibes. He has some fun songs but it would be hard for me to listen to an entire album.

[@romaretaylor9953]

You should at least listen to flygod or pray for Paris. You might be surprised

[@Peytonwatson14]

@ I’ll definitely give it a try. He just isn’t talking about much imo but I’ve heard some songs off of PFP and loved them

[@leroywilliams7428]

Finally, someone speaking truth on this!

[@dfguttin7308]

It's ART!!!!

[@dfwherbie8814]

It’s low level art. You are a grown man listening to horrible content that mocks God, denigrates women, brags about selling and cooking dope, brags about murder, etc. that’s not normal. You need to grow up

[@CB12345]

Art to dumb people. Not actually talented ones.

[@romaretaylor9953]

@@dfwherbie8814 sounds like the hip hop yall stuck in the 90s heads grew up on “I grew up!” But you still listen to that shit foh

[@dfwherbie8814]

@ not even close. I’m just a grown man and rather not consume content centered around low IQ and immoral rhetoric.

[@dfguttin7308]

@romaretaylor9953 That's good for you. It's more than enough of other music u could listen to, honestly...

[@Rich_iam]

This review garbage. I watched Shaq highlights and he's no that good because he cant shoot like Curry 😂. People really on here agreeing with this nonsense.

[@rpsibley73]

truth be told

[@Maccmittens823]

Lyrically it just wasn’t there. Westside Gunn my favorite out the group.

[@romaretaylor9953]

Your bugging he was rapping waaay better on this than his last album, and HWH10

[@jasonligon1989]

I’m glad you used ya platform to be honest. When we say these things youngsters think we hating. It’s the same gun and drug bars like you said EVOLUTION. These cats ain’t doing or living the same shit at 40. The beats are just looping along with recycled rhymes.

[@inosukehashibira5511]

Facts same with Benny and coke raps there not in the streets no more and I rock with Benny

[@DeeMaxum]

I was never really a fan of west side gunn... I just liked his selection of dope beats.... Lyrically, i'm more of a conway.The machine and benny, the butcher fan

[@generalonly]

Peace Westside Gunn Upholds A Spirit That Feeling That Hip Hop That Rebel and Yes it's Not All Fire But Moments That a Lot of People Find Great Reminds me of Lord Superb Peace.

[@taiquanmartin9399]

I like the cover!!!

[@gimmemyish]

Rare ass commentary right here. Salute.

[@Eeze]

🫡

[@creamvending4075]

It’s a decent album. Compared to his last 2 albums this is Gold.

[@Tariq-jn8ff]

Project was aiight, I am not going back to it.

[@BigCore-]

I checked for them because I fux with Conductor Williams 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@riqgeez8776]

Bro go listen to STABBED AND SHOT 2‼️ WestSide Gunn not a rapper 😂

[@jevonlloyd3058]

Facts. Album is 🔥🔥🔥

[@lindsayhobson8911]

Yeah I Listened to it once and didn’t want to hear it again. But I’m going in a second time to see, if there’s anything I can sit with

[@BdalingoFitnEnt]

Me I agree with you 100 percent. I really try to understand why people like certain music. I just can’t get in to some of it.

[@b-boycastertroy]

List some dudes u fw. This outta be good 😂

[@user-bd1iu7nq6m]

It’s a cult following. I have no problem comparing them to the WU. I’m going to listen to what Griselda puts out like i bump ODBs roc album or RZAs classical album.

[@Shysta30]

All facts

[@rodericwatson7873]

Amen

[@SignedByAP]

Thank you for taking about the “curator” word. People come up with labels for themselves that don’t mean shit honestly. He got a good ear for beats and sound cool but it’s insulting to me…as somewhere with a BFA in Painting, Certificate of Documentary Arts, and a Masters Degree in History. lol

[@Uzayr28]

Artists been giving us recycled themes for years. No evolution. No growth. WSG isn’t the only one guilty of this.

[@cultclassics587]

I agree with you on the subject matter part. He’s like pusha t in that regard to me. However I do like his ear for beats and who he puts into tracks. “UNKLE HOWDY” off of ‘11’ was imo better than still praying. ‘11’ had 5 tracks but felt a lot more consistent, cohesive and artsy than “still praying”. When it comes to westside Gunn his Hitler wears hermes, and pray for Paris are what I return with him. Griselda is cool for what they do and they’ve helped show us talent like Mach Hommey, Benny, stove God Cooks and Rome Streetz. I prefer ROC Marciano and Freddie Gibbs but wsg and Mach do have my attention when they drop.

[@davidkasparian3813]

Nah this project wasn’t as good as West is hyping it up to be. The 11 EP he dropped the day before had more preferable beats to me. Rome Streets X Daringer album what I’m fuckin with. Westside just dropped a version without DJ drama yelling all over the tracks too.

[@terrelljackson1995]

That Rome streetz and Benny the butcher album also is 🔥🔥🔥

[@khetwaashutip2476]

Agreed. It's a cool album but definitely neither are classics by a long shot.

[@nololin82]

I’ve always thought this about Griselda overall. They can rap, but it’s mostly crack/street rap. The fact that people act like these dudes are elite level lyricists, makes me feel like the bar is lowered when you’re “tapped into the streets”.

[@jahleft7403]

Commercial hardcore rapper.. thats it .. Dolloar Arizona

[@highfived]

If you say anything about his music he will block I did not ever say any negative you was one of his biggest fans I was there from day one in regards to his career.

[@DeeMaxum]

I was a fan of griselda when they first came out because I knew they were a breath of fresh air to those of us who grew up in the nineties boom bap era... But to be honest I knew their wave would get old quickly... And as far as beat production, they haven't grown much. These days it's easy to put their sound together with sound pack Loops, and everybody is copying the same style. The same old boom bap drum loops, just filtered and EQd in different ways

[@JasonMcDaniel-n2l]

They still dope....been..... Upstate NY Niggaz the best out... Westside isn't a bar spitter.......We got plenty of them up here....too many to name

[@phillipwattsjr.4714]

Names like "GOAT", "LEGEND", and "CLASSIC" have been thrown around so often, they've become participation trophies at this point.

[@dopesoul7179]

I’ve never seen anyone call this a “classic” but it’s dope. I could have done without DJ drama. I can’t stand his voice

[@MrLordjordan]

Man I appreciate you speaking the truth brother, I used to be a big fan of westside and the whole Griselda collective but the shits the same like all of it across the board with the entire collective and honestly the quality of everyone in Griselda’s music has plateaued and westside music being the worst offender of them all with poorly produced beats and redundant coke bars and like you said with no sort of evolution behind it. I gave up on westside and Griselda around 2022

[@romaretaylor9953]

They have a lane and style what’s wrong with that?

[@ericwilliams6153]

The " I recorded this in a day" or " I don't write my rhymes " is not something the majority of rappers should do, ya not jay z.

[@Beatboxbaker]

Thank you. I heard talk about this being AOTY and was disappointed too when I heard it.

[@Beatboxbaker]

Had no idea that you were from this area. Met you at the gas station morning. Keep doing what you do. Thank you Bro

[@Eeze]

🫡

[@goatsquadtv8786]

I agree but too be fair Westside said in many interviews that he doesn't care what people think of his ability. He got alot of yes men around him at this point...

[@kingsun122]

He always brags about doing projects within a day.

[@inosukehashibira5511]

You can say that same thing about most projects they put out

[@Joxif]

TOTALLY agree, its got a few heat rocks on it, but folks is really gassing too much shit these days. If anything, the new Gibbs album deserves way more praise than this. Its not a classic either, but its def way better than this, its very solid.

[@jaynice3562]

Disappointed his album is mid at best freddie gibbs and lolyd banks and earthgang had the best albums

[@terrelljackson1995]

That new Benny the butcher and 38 spesh stabbed and shot pt2 Rome streetz album is better than westside Gunn album

[@cyrusdaoutcyda2599]

Gunn is doing what everyone else is doing and getting paid for.. yeah his projects can be repetitive but he found a loop hole.. I’d rather listen to him than A lot of of other niggas in the industry

[@zncuentertainment712]

I respect your opinion and can understand where you are coming from but I still enjoyed the project. I thought "Beef Bar', "Max Caster", "Duran Duran", "Free Shots", "Underground King" and "LeSalle Station" were dope. I just don't expect anything out of the norm from a WSG album.

[@Killjoy.Z]

Where is thr "Kool G" Westside Gunn at? Anybody who doesnt know what I'm talking about type Griselda Kool G on here right now. You will see he really is a goated rapper, he just doesnt try 😢

[@uccimane]

i agree whole heartedly i even liked the ep more because there was less of westside on it lol

[@cscott412]

Finally seeing a WSG take that I agree with. Fly God was great. Certain records after that are decent. But man, it gets so redundant listening to these records. They feel like slapped together rush jobs. I don't get the "fine art" angle with it.

[@traviscarter1023]

My thing from those guys in Buffalo they dropped so much music. The problem I have with Benny and Conway Machine they shit don't stick it's not impactful. Don't tell me it's for the streets plenty impactful street album. They need to spend more time in the studio and stop putting out so much music at once . He didn't need to drop 2 albums in one day. Them niggas gotta stay off the snooze shit and stay aggressive make timeless shit. I feel like Dame Dash would help them out so much with picking records.

[@inosukehashibira5511]

You can throw Conway the machine in there two and I fuck with Griselda

[@mikejwomack9597]

To me his last good project was the album 10. "and then Pray for me" was overhyped and Mid. now this is also Mid. The problem is Westside is 40 and his heart isn't really in Rap. It's in Fashion. He has told us that for years. So i think he will continue to do this until people are tired of it until a major door opens up for him in fashion

[@travahnb.896]

Of course it sounds like he made it in a day, thats the whole artistic selling point for this record! And yes we' re in a classic drought, who really cares tho? How many classics from 2004.can u name? What about 2014? This period in every decade has a lull point

[@Vinnytint2]

AFRO X STU BANGAS NEW ALBUM … THE BAD AND THE UGLY IS 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥FUCK WESTSIDE GUNN

[@isiahrivera5882]

He doesn’t care about being an artist or a super lyricist. You want that shit go somewhere else. Trust me he’s missing no meals lol

[@Eeze]

Thanks to God, neither am I. I hope your family is fed too 🤷🏾‍♂️

[@82DC]

People saying it’s art but he’s been painting the same picture over and over

[@romaretaylor9953]

Not really. Stylistically for him maybe but production wise I can tell the diff between flygod and supreme blientele and and then you pray for me lol

[@82DC]

@@romaretaylor9953the production is all beginner level pick the best part of the record to loop over and over apart from WWCD because Beat butcher produced most of it

[@BAMADAN]

Still praying is the only song i listen to on the whole album... I ain't feeling the rest at all...

[@Justice098]

I’m tired of artist putting out the same albums over and over and over…curre$y, Larry June , Boldy James , Westside , Flee lord , etc . I’m not saying these artist aren’t dope…i just remember a time when an artist changed there whole image and production from one album to the next. Like an artist went through a transformation before coming outside with new material. Now we are getting the same albums each offering. It takes no effort

[@MichaelBrown-ti1un]

You're wrong about Larry June. He's versatile. Has dope-to-classic albums entirely produced by varied producers such as Cardo, Alchemist and Harry Fraud. Same thing with Curren$y, but he puts out a ton of material, so you've just gotta sift through it to find alotta the gems, which are all unique.

[@Rich_iam]

Spitta got a lot of different projects lol, as does Larry, Westside was just criticized for making an album that wasnt boom bap and Boldy whole style is unique. Yall just dont know what you are listening to

[@v.m.m101]

I think he letting his artist shine, but they don’t actually shine, they wack and ruin songs, like the Stove god cooks, I think he wack

[@immortalkombvt]

As a long time fan, I have to say this is just more of the same. I actually don’t even like this or 11. Hitter 8 and peace flygod was the last time he dropped something worthwhile imo. It was a good run for griselda though might be coming to its end.

[@balance4123]

Think of Westside like Master P and Stunna. He’s a visionary. The glue. He’s not a contemporary artist. Catch up or go listen to talib kweli 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@Eeze]

This sounds like a direct quote from him 🤣

[@balance4123]

@ Doot Doot 😂

[@SHAKE-S-PIERRE]

I personally think 11 was better, no skips for me.

[@terrelljackson1995]

That ten album was better Benny the butcher 38 spesh stabbed and shot pt2 Rome streetz new album was better

[@taylorgordon4920]

Why they don’t push Armani ceaser like that she’s nice like what the hell I just love they brung boom bap beats back but the subject matter is the same like talk about something different

[@DanielIvan707]

Griselda is just fluff

[@e5141981]

hold up. you mean to tell me some of you are now catching up to this? WSG best album was flygod and everything after that is rinse and repeat benny and conway are amazing rappers but all their albums are basically more of the same. no story telling, no concept albums, nothing out of the box just rinse and repeat, its extremely disappointing because the talent is there just lack of effort

[@MrMonkeylawyer]

Been listening to Griselda since 2010. I just got tired of them. Beats be crazy though.

[@jaymac8421]

I can only listen to Westside Gunn in doses! 😂

[@GKnightent]

West is like a street dude that does real art. At the same time its like mobb deep wutang. Its Really only for street life.

[@truskool1971]

As much as I kinda hate to admit it? Dude right - once you strip away the boom bap nostalgia - it’s as repetitive as fuck and Lyrically? Subject matter wise ? all 10 albums could be one long ass song literally But I fux with it heavy - can’t front

[@b.o.1951]

The he had DJ drama yelling all through the album. It was annoying af to hear

[@frankleespkng]

Speaking all facts… Album was definitely no where close to a classic. West claims everything he drops is a classic. And like you said when is there going to be evolution. I feel the same for Con. We all know he can rhyme but there is no way he’s top tier. Obviously, we all have a different ear for music but eventually there has to be some type of “step ya game up” in you.

[@nkosigore8836]

I don't get the hype with Grizelda anyway - I think Trust Gang is Wayyyy Better!!!!

[@thaddeusdaruszka4994]

West is a bit hit or miss for me. Skip this album... go listen to Benny and 38 Spesh album instead.

[@leroygreen6310]

First off the "classic" is DEAD. There are no "classics" in this era cause if there is name em? I'll wait... This is the era where literally 100 plus albums come out a year from artists with established positions in the mainstream and another 100 come out underground so albums have a 24 hour period to a week to make impact and then they're gone. Lost in the ocean of streams, reviews, reactions, releases, and short attention spans. What we have now are the remnants of classics when we actually waited 2 years minimum before we even had the discussion of it being classic because the culture was largely at the mercy of major label releases. Now with the internet you'll have one person saying yo Tyler just dropped a classic, Westside dropped a classic, Killer Mike, Drake, Blu, Lupe, Snoop, Currency, Masta Ace, T.i, AB Soul, Busta Rhymes etc just dropped a classic and each one of these are a different demo with different opinions that will not all agree that any of these are classic across the board. Those days are gone. Imo a "classic" now is did your album meet the sound expectations of your particular fanbase and style and did it last for a week smh because those albums that lasted whole decades in the minds of the masses like The Blueprint, Aquemini, Chronic 2001, No Way Out, GRODT are gone post 2012. That being said I can see your point though lol.

[@414MILboy]

Good Kid Madd City by Kendrick is def a classic

[@leroygreen6310]

@414MILboy Yes with Dr Dre and Jimmy Iovine behind it so they not letting it not be.

[@414MILboy]

@@leroygreen6310 that didn’t make any sense

[@d.michael372]

Killer Mike album Michael is a classic, no hyperbole. It checks off all the boxes. The build up to the song, the musical transition into the next song. Well thought out subjects from beginning to end with great lyrical ability. I don’t throw the word classic around, but this is. I can’t speak for anything else that has came out currently I would call a classic.

[@Polostar79]

I would argue KD3 and Magic are bonafide classics.

[@rdenn_shapes]

Good production, though, but westside is not saying nothing

[@thecreamofthecrop2694]

Album fire u buggin

[@TheOriginalDonGuillory]

Listened, but didn’t cop. Repetitive.

[@inosukehashibira5511]

Classic hell no his subject matter same as Benny even though these guys can rap I wish these dudes rhyme about deep shit not come shit which I don’t mind hearin from Time to time

[@thecheck4879]

That new shit trash.

[@jonathancoleman6482]

Respectfully I can’t listen too Gunn the voice just can’t sit in listen too. Whole westgunn album.

[@JeromeCarle-k1x]

Bro compared to what's out it is

[@JusThompson]

Absolutely I’m disappointed as well , He trash not gonn lie he waisted dj dramas time

[@SHAKE-S-PIERRE]

Griselda>

[@NicoDa1]

His beats don't even hit like that too.

[@thearchitectdjphonz1974]

Thanks for this. Westside joints and, Benny doesn't have shit to say different. Majority of the beatz are wack too. Also the tempo is too damn slow. How do all the wack niggas get popular. Conway sounds like an artist since day one. Daringer is not that good.at all. Easy production. Drumless tracks throughout whole albums is boring and lackluster. 😂

[@Polostar79]

WSG suffers from Rick Ross syndrome. Mediocre bars over great production.