An Orthodox Christian Perspective on Latter-Day Saints (Mormons)

Fr. Justin Havens is the pastor of St. Xenia Orthodox Church in Payson, Utah.
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[@carlitobrigante404]

I’m a former Mormon who became Christian a little over 2 years ago when I finally encountered Jesus of Scripture and finally started to look through LDS church history and saw the mess that it is and the contradictions. I first became a evangelical Protestant but later studied church history and the church fathers and quickly realised the Eastern Orthodox Church is the one true church. I’m now a catechumen☦️Glory be to God. Anyone reading this who is a Latter Day Saint please study the claims of the LDS church and the Eastern Orthodox Church and I guarantee you that the Eastern Orthodox Church will come out on top because the truth will always win out, we Christians love you guys and Jesus loves you☦️God bless anyone reading this and have a blessed day

[@martinlugo5026]

Christ is in our midst ☦️

[@joshevans4322]

​@@martinlugo5026 He is, and ever shall be

[@NVRSTP]

@@carlitobrigante404 LETS GO 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

[@JesusIsWayTruthandLife]

Same here! Mormon to Protestant to the actual true church of Orthodoxy.

[@ridgepayne500]

Said beautifully. I’m an exmormon currently a catachumen in the Roman Catholic Church. I have disagreements with orthodoxy of course, but I really respect you guys. I think we ought to embrace tradition as Christians.

[@kylekelson8533]

I’m ex LDS inquiring into Orthodoxy. Went to my first orthros and Divine litergy this past Sunday! Served a mission, married in the temple, and started raising my kids in the religion. I was very devout and believing. Losing my faith in the LDS church and God was the hardest thing in my life. That’s a huge understatement! I was an atheist for 2 + years. Eventually my wife had the same faith crisis I and we left the LDs church. We have been trying a lot of different non denominational churches because we think it’s important for our kids. I really struggle with most Protestant churches so far. I just don’t connect with it. Someone said it’s like a rock concert with a Tedx talk about Jesus. 😂 Honestly I was resigned to feeling that all I could do, feeling so burned and betrayed, that I would just try to live the best life I could, being grateful for the lessons Mormonism taught me, and when I die I’ll go or won’t go to wherever God wants me or doesn’t want me. The only thing I promised myself is I would face my maker, whatever that was, with an honest heart. I still believe that. I could go on, but to make a long story short, I finally started to look into orthodoxy and it was the first time in a long long while I felt a small ember of peace. GENUINE peace to my heart. I almost couldn’t believe it. Such a tender mercy after nearly a decade dealing with everything that comes with a crisis of faith. I’m still inquiring, and will be for some time. Not sure if I will fully embrace the orthodox faith, but I’m grateful to God for giving me peace at this time! Sorry for the long post, but I felt compelled to share. God bless!

[@NoName-yl3pb]

If you are in Utah, go to St Xenia in Payson

[@kylekelson8533]

⁠@@NoName-yl3pb Funny! I’m in Boise, but heading to Utah tomorrow and planning on visiting St. Xenia for Sunday litergy

[@gte811i]

Lord Have Mercy. I am ex-LDS along with my wife and 4 of 5 children who are all now Orthodox. I and my wife both served missions, Temple Sealing, all kids (except the last 2) baptized in the LDS faith. We were all in. Pres. Nelson really created a massive shift in the religion. For several years we remarked to each other how the LDS faith was no longer the same faith we grew up in. Massive shifts in morality; LDS have openly homosexual missionaries who have dated the same-sex before-no repentance necessary. It's insane the moral shift that is occurring. And it is occurring b/c of what Father said...the desire to be like by US culture. As a side-note, Utah is one of the few (if only states) that had a blue-shift (and a significant one at that!) in the most recent election....There is a reason for that. LDS are now pretty woke as a religion. The first time attending Divine Liturgy my wife was like a scared little rabbit-so overwhelming she couldn't get out of there fast enough! We were inquirers for over 1.5 years and then catechumens for 6 months and we were baptized 2-3 weeks ago. My suggestions is to allow God to work in your life and to let it proceed in a natural way. I am extremely grateful to God how things turned out. My entire family came very, very close to going through a very long angry atheist bitter time. The way things ended with LDS...well...it still boggles my mind and it just absolutely insane what happened. There is a lot to learn and unlearn. I absolutely agree with the genuine peace. God allows things to happen and right before we made the decision to be baptized (we were already getting close), the 2nd most traumatic event happened in our lives. The Jesus Prayer was the lifeline God provided to help us have peace thru this event.

[@carlitobrigante404]

@@gte811i Glory be to God☦️

[@rhyde0731]

I have a very similar background and am currently discerning the catholic faith! God bless you on your journey 🙏🏻

[@Chromebreaks]

Im not making this up, 20 minutes ago I just had 2 young mormon guys knock at my door and we had a brief conversation. The timing is incredible. Unfortunately I was too busy at the moment, but I got their contact to hopefully have a conversation some other time. Christ is Risen! ☦

[@BBBRRROOODDDYYY]

They will just do their rehearsed scripts on you and then ask you to call them on the phone and then they'll have one of their overseers listen in on the call you won't get to ask questions they'll just read stuff about moroni too you. It's super lame

[@seraphimwieber3893]

Send them the video

[@cartercromar3980]

@@Chromebreaks just remember, missionaries aren't trained theologians. Their mission and purpose is to "invite others to come into Christ..." And to preach about the Book of Mormon. They usually aren't trained for anything more then simple conversations about the very most basics of what to teach someone who knows nothing/a minimum of Christ. With love Brother ♥️

[@tylermccoy5014]

⁠​⁠@@BBBRRROOODDDYYYI was a missionary a few months ago and the idea that calls are listened to is hilarious

[@samuelvandenberghe2173]

I hope you have an uplifting conversation with them

[@big-daddy-o8576]

As a former LDS member of over half a century, your insights into Mormonism are amazingly spot on.

[@michaelnicholas5587]

A 50+ year LDS member, and this guys' insights sound spot on to you? That's almost comical.

[@big-daddy-o8576]

@@michaelnicholas5587 Let me guess, he hurt your feelings. I've seen so many people in the church over the years make such shitty choices based on their or their leaders feelings (or feeling the spirit, if you will). Pay attention to how everything from leaders' talks to church videos to the music, etc are all created in a way to pull at your feelings. It's manipulative plain and simple, and this guy just gets it!

[@michaelnicholas5587]

@@big-daddy-o8576 Didn't hurt my feelings at all, he just spoke incredible inaccuracies. How do you think the Holy Spirit is able to communicate truth to us? If you believe the Bible what does this scripture mean to you: Luke 24:32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? Most of what I hear in church talks appeals to me intellectually as much as it does spiritually. I'm sorry it didn't do the same for you.

[@TESHUVAAIRSOFT]

@@michaelnicholas5587 thats a misinterpretation 😉

[@michaelnicholas5587]

@@TESHUVAAIRSOFT What is the proper interpretation?

[@Zeik888]

Hi LDS here thank you for the respectful comments. I have some comments and maybe pushbacks on the interview, 1.) Creation out of Nothing or 'Ex-Nihilo' , am sorry not found in Gen 1 and 2 and yes we do not believe in a creation 'out of Nothing' 2.) We believe Christ is 'ontologically' divine but not as the same person as the Father. They are 2 separate personages, one in complete love in unity of purpose, and yes we are not 'strict monotheist' 3.)yes in Lds theology there is not a huge dicothomy on the 'ontological' nature between God and Man, however, the Gap is with the Father's 'intelligence' which is greater than all..see Abraham 3:19 4.) Faith based feelings..yes culturally we do hear this a lot in church..this is because spiritual experiences can trigger a lot of emotions..but this is not an arbitrary of truth in Lds canon or doctrine....in the Doctrine &Covenants , we have to learn truth through intellectual study and prayer by faith 5.) Theosis. Yes in latter-day saint context we believe if we are faithful in keeping God's laws and commandments we become joint-heirs with Christ 'adopted' through a 'covenant' we make with God and his Son...our nature's will be transformed and become partakers of the divine nature.. 5.) "The mysteries" or 'esoteric' experiences can be much more experienced within the temple context vs our wards and chapels

[@Surelyserious1]

I’m sorry I was Mormon 45 years and your theology doesn’t match what I learned. We were taught for all of that time that I was a member and in the temple that god once lived as a man and became god and there were gods before him and that Jesus was his oldest son who had a battle with Satan to be the Christ. He was our brother and we were going to come to earth to train to be gods. And my patriarchal blessing (fortune) mentions all of this. And in the entire time I was there we believed 💯 that we were going to be Gods of our own universe just as Jospeh smith taught in the king follet discourse. Today many lds are trying to pretend that this wasn’t taught and I call that extreme provable gaslighting !

[@Surelyserious1]

I’m sorry I was Mormon 45 years and your theology doesn’t match what I learned. We were taught for all of that time that I was a member and in the temple that god once lived as a man and became god and there were gods before him and that Jesus was his oldest son who had a battle with Satan to be the Christ. He was our brother and we were going to come to earth to train to be gods. And my patriarchal blessing (fortune) mentions all of this. And in the entire time I was there we believed 💯 that we were going to be Gods of our own universe just as Jospeh smith taught in the king follet discourse. Today many lds are trying to pretend that this wasn’t taught and I call that extreme provable gaslighting !

[@Zeik888]

@@Surelyserious1 Im sorry, I'm not aware that it was ever thaught in the temple liturgy the 'ontological' nature of God the Father or the 'regression model' of 'Gods' by Brigham Young... And yes Jesus in latter-day saint theology is a spirit son of our Heavenly Father (Eloheim) prior to his 'incarnation' and participated in the 'Heavenly Council' on the context of human agency, preparatory progression to mortality and the necessity of a 'savior' that through 'Christ' Heavenly Father's plan becomes operative..that we will become partakers of the 'divine nature' and joint-heir of eternal life with God and our families..becoming like God or as 'God is'... I was not gaslighting. I was trying to clarify some things in the OP..

[@jacobbowers7137]

@@Surelyserious1Provable gaslighting? You are speaking into the wind.

[@ivanlecic8965]

Do you know Josheph Smith changed the bible in his translation? kzbin.infoeHkEeTRrmWo?si=G9K7gTMiYNDYqxSK

[@lukenielsen8397]

I grew up staunch LDS. I even went on a mission. Around the time I went to war in Iraq, I lost faith in the LDS church and have been seeing it for what it is. I've never been able to put into words some of my thoughts, until you spoke it out loud for me! Thank you!!

[@victoriasfire]

Awesome topic, as someone who left mormonism and have been dabbling with the idea of Orthodoxy - so glad you put this out.

[@TheJosephPrice]

Thank you for a very direct, no beating around the bush answer. Incredibly refreshing.

[@danl6852]

As a member of the Restored Church of Jesus Christ I love talking with others about how they keep their faith sacred. But one of the things I personally dislike is the dishonesty others have towards my faith. I would love for this channel to sit down with someone from my faith that actually represents what we believe and ask us what we truly believe.

[@Vanpotheosis]

It's not "restored". It's altered and corrupted to satisfy the passions of men.

[@germanmarine6582]

They won’t and they can’t. Real dialogue and discussion destroys their faith in their institutions. Instead they hide and misrepresent and mischaracterize and bastardize

[@Fassnight]

The problem with the LDS though is that they tend to neglect the fact that they use similar words as Christians but they mean radically different things by them

[@atypeandshadow]

As a former Mormon what did he say that was wrong. I could go to PreachMy Gospel and show you exactly how close he was representing the LDS church accurately.

[@Zsketches]

I agree - just the fact that he states that “the LDS don’t know the gospels” shows that he lacks information. Disagreeing with an interpretation is different than “not knowing”. I would suggest this gentleman stick to talking about his own faith unless he engages with someone of the faith he’s criticizing.

[@hayteren]

Another contradiction this man speaks (if you look through the comments, I'm announcing many of them). He criticizes members of the Church for using emotion to detect the Spirit. In, literally, the previous sentence he said how important the feeling is in the an orthodox building.

[@fredheimuli5913]

@@hayteren 🎯💯

[@benzun9600]

exactly this priest screams of hypocrisy. Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;

[@Billy-ie3vw]

While you are right to point this out I think you are missing what the priest is saying. The 'feeling' you get in Mormonism is one of sentimentality, of feeling warm and comfortable. In Orthodoxy when one feels the presence of God he feels contrition and heart-ache for his sins. He feels awe at the terrible and awesome presence of God. Certainly living an Orthodox life brings joy but this joy isn't the fleeting kind that comes with 'living the good life' but a joy that can be felt even in the midst of sorrow. It is a joy that isn't attached to earthly cares.

[@michaelnicholas5587]

@@Billy-ie3vw How do you know what feelings Mormon's get? When I feel the Spirit, it can sometimes be a confirmation of truth, sometimes a warning against sinning, sometimes a comfort of protection, and sometimes a reminder to repent of sins committed.

[@leightonanderson]

@@Billy-ie3vw "The 'feeling' you get in Mormonism is one of sentimentality, of feeling warm and comfortable." No, that's bull. Read Luke 24:32 and tell me those disciples weren't getting the right feeling. Sheesh. "The 'feeling' you get in Mormonism" is one of communion with the Holy Spirit and if you have never felt that, I feel sorry for you.

[@gabelayton7966]

My wife, my son, and I just became catechumen a few weeks ago. We’ve both come from a LDS background. We’re very much looking forward to being baptized. Please pray for our family

[@dmitrynikiforov1986]

Orthodox is better than atheists in my opinion. Good luck. I am from Russia where the majority are Orthodox. You probably know what Russia is doing now, right?

[@birdlynn417]

A feeling in your heart about a church is true wherever one finds that feeling, and it is still very good. Being in the Orthodox Church gave me that feeling too.

[@michaelbarber5633]

Yes, always go with just whatever makes you feel good. Exactly what Aleister Crowley taught. Just go with your feelings, those are never wrong, right?

[@kemal3599]

Christian-Mormon dialogues are difficult because Mormons don’t understand how different their theology is to Christianity because their religious vocabulary is very similar in many ways.

[@NVRSTP]

I love this info, I’ll do more to explain that side of things now.

[@gte811i]

They say the same words, but they mean different things.

[@makanaima]

yet the theological terms they do know mean different things to them.

[@claesvanoldenphatt9972]

Got that straight. After I graduated seminary some Mormons came to our house and wasted 90 min of my day using the same vocabulary as we Orthodox do to describe a bunch of bs. Havens is great, I like how he talks SO much better than many online priests. He’s really frank and incisive. We need more like him and fewer like Mahfouz and Heers.

[@jacobmayberry3566]

It's also difficult because Christians tend to be extremely prideful and condescending to us. This video is no exception.

[@hayteren]

I'm begging listeners of this video to understand how pointless it is. One example is the contradictions. He talks about how humble members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints are because we understand the importance of obedience. In the next minute he says we are prideful. He also talks about how we don't know anything outside the Church, but in every credible study we are shown to be the most knowledgeable of other faiths, moreso than any other. A beautiful thing about this Church is that we are all called to share the Gospel. So while a layman might not always stand up to scrutiny of a high ranking preist in another organization, the average member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is going to be more than understanding of their own faith compared to others. Even this preist admits that.

[@can_ye_feel_so_now]

Not to mention he was invited to talk to BYU students, what does that tell you? That we are closed minded? lol

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@GarrettGlauser]

I've been a member all my life, and I can tell you, most LDS people know next to nothing about the history of the church, the mortal life of Christ, or how other faiths observe their worship.

[@can_ye_feel_so_now]

@@GarrettGlauser brother that’s your experience, I on the other hand have seen amazing examples of people who know there stuff and I’ve been in the church for more than 20 years.

[@valoredramack9117]

I am a Protestant Christian, but I have had discussions with LDS members. My understanding is that LDS People believe that Lord Jesus Christ is not GOD in the flesh, but instead they believe that Jesus is the spirit brother of Lucifer. LDS People also believe in "exaltation" or "eternal progression"; they imply that human beings can eventually achieve "Godhood" in heaven and that God did not just create mankind in His image but that God was also once a man who become became "exalted". LDS members seem to imply that men, angels, and God are essentially the same species, which is NOT what traditional Christians believes. As a Protestant Christian, I do not believe that Lucifer and Lord Jesus Christ are "spirit brothers." I believe that Lord Jesus Christ IS God in the flesh, which is part of the deity of Christ...meaning that Jesus is eternal, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and immutable. Jesus is worshipped as God because the Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit are all the SAME God.

[@JackSonOfJohn]

This guy says LDS dont know the bible, PEW research actually did a study on this, look it up. The LDS know their bible better than any other religion.

[@JackWebb-n6l]

Yes, but there is a difference between studying the Bible to understand God's word and studying the Bible within the context of an organized religion in which you are influenced by presuppositions. LDS and Jehovah's Witnesses seem to be similar in that way, my family has JW routes and they study the Bible every day extensively but can't think openly. Also with LDS in particular, their interpretation of the Bible is obviously going to be influenced by the book of Mormon, other texts, and even "modern-day prophets". The Bible should be interpreted in its historical context but not alongside false texts.

[@JackSonOfJohn]

@JackWebb-n6l yes. One side is open minded and sees truth wherever it is found, Book of Mormon, modern prophets, etc. One religion reads the bible with its false presupposition of the nicene creed and won't even read other texts. They basically say God is dead amd can't possibly speak to us anymore through prophets like he's always done, even though he's the same yesterday, today, and forever. Oh and no way he could've talked to people in the America's even though he said he had other sheep that must hear his voice. C'mon do better. You don't know me at all or how I read the bible.

[@JackWebb-n6l]

@@JackSonOfJohn I wasn't talking about you personally, rather LDS in general and pointing out that you do indeed read additional texts. I have read the BOM although not the other texts tbf. I never said he couldn't talk to the Americas, I just don't believe he did, of course it's possible. I don't know who says God is dead, I would say Christ made it possible for us to have a more direct relationship with God without the need for prophets. The issue with reading both the Book of Mormon and Bible as Holy Scripture is that there are contradictions. This is even more the case with the Bible vs modern prophets. I am aware there are some responses to common issues such as the LDS godhead vs the Bibles stance on God, and I am sure you feel there are no contradictions, but in my opinion and reading of the texts they seem irreconcilable.

[@JackWebb-n6l]

@@JackSonOfJohn I'm also not coming at this from an orthodox perspective, but just have disagreements with the idea that just because LDS study their Bible a lot (which I agree they do ofc), that doesn't mean they have a greater portion of the truth in relation to Christ, at least as far as I can see. I do think the Priests approach wasn't the best though but agree with most of his propositions.

[@JackWebb-n6l]

@@JackSonOfJohn The Nicene Creed in so far as it solidifies the Trinity is not an example of false presuppositions. It doesn't influence a reading of a text, it is the consequence of a reading of the text guided by the Holy Spirit. It is supported by the Bible and Church Tradition, and is the only way to avoid a contradiction in Jesus being God and there only being One God.

[@jamesbaldwin7676]

I'm a believing member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and not because of any "burning of the bosom," but because so many beliefs of the Church appeal to common sense and a simple reading of the Bible and with far fewer "holy mysteries." The very nature of God and His Son, for example (who is also a member of the godhead and with God from the begining) is exactly what it says in Genesis and something we firmly believe. And when Jesus asked Peter "Whom say ye that I am?" Peter replied... "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God." We believe this because that's what it says in the Bible. Peter never mentions a word about "holy Trinity" or any other incomprehensible concept. The eternal nature of God and man is something we believe and also happens to agree with modern science. (Read about the conservation of energy and matter.) There are holy mysteries of course and things we don't fully understand yet, but understanding the nature of God and His Son, is not one if them. "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

[@bakanaman2]

Great comment. I find it very interesting that so many religious people, mostly Christians, love to persecute member of the LDS Church. They are actually taught to do this by many, many pastors. It's quite unfortunate, but most people won't study and find out for themselves, they just take what they've heard and run with it. Spreading falsehoods and ridiculing very misunderstood doctrines. They justify it, as some in this comments section have done, by saying they are speaking out against falsehoods or even evil, thinking they are doing right. This video says we don't believe Jesus is God. This is not true. We believe Jesus is Jehovah, the creator of this world. Our Lord, our God, our Savior. We believe, as the Bible clearly states, that he has a father, who is his God and our God. This does not diminish Jesus in any way. We don't accept the idea of the Trinity which is not Biblical. For this reason many say we follow the wrong Jesus. I guess everyone can judge for themselves. Not that theology isn't important, BUT I think Jesus cares more about the way we live rather than if we got the theology exactly right or not.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

We were all “with God in the beginning”. Intelligences have no beginning. Jesus isn’t special in lds theology outside of being the first

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@jamesbaldwin7676]

@@Psuedo-Christian-Cult You're partially right... Jesus is the only Begotten Son of God and has been with the Father from the beginning (as have we) Jesus is also the creator of all things both spiritual and temporal. In this respect he is also our Father, the Lord of hosts and our God. Nevertheless, Jesus has a Father and it is to Him that we pray in the name of His beloved Son. We do this because that's what it says in the Bible.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

@ yeah Jesus had special super human dna also. Almost forgot THAT is what set Him apart. NOT that He is God… LDS doctrine includes abominations

[@kaseyjones2861]

Family game night on monday nights was one aspect that I was impressed with that many LDS famlies enjoy. The families that participated in this were very well adjusted, and very funny people actually.

[@Southlander1000]

They call it "Family Home Evening" and there are supposed to be church-supplied lessons and such to go with it, but yes, games and a large meal are a normative part of that. TV and movies are discouraged. It's one of the few good things I remember from my childhood in the LDS church.

[@hayteren]

​@@Southlander1000come back to the true Church!

[@Southlander1000]

@@hayteren I'm already there! Come visit some time.

[@JennaGeorge1010]

I became a catechum over a month ago, and its been the most beautiful, eneriching, and eye opening experience! I strongly believe that there is not one church on the face of this earth that would help me to become a better and stronger follower of Christ outside of Eastern Orthodoxy. (I come from an LDS background)

[@GldnClaw]

Give me your temple name. I've got $50 for you.

[@davidfrey5654]

That's exactly what people feel when they become a member of the Church of Jesus Christ after wallowing in evangelicalism and Protestantism for so many years. They finally have real answers that makes sense.

[@JennaGeorge1010]

​​​​I have come into Orthodoxy with a suspicious heart knowing the temptations of religions. I have watched them very closely, and try my very best to be as discerning as possible so that I may not be tricked. I've felt strong emotions in the LDS church, I'll admit, but there is no true healing as in the Orthodox Church. The joy I've seen in other religions is surface level, the joy I've developed in Orthodoxy in my short time seems to me powerful enough that even death is not terrible or fearful but a release back to Our Father in Heaven. I don't worship the life that God has given me, or at least I try not to, but I worship God who has given me life. The church service in Orthodoxy does not center on the people, it centers on God. For who should you look for guidance to goodness more, your fallen neighbor, or God himself? I do not confess parlor tricks to my congregation to prove God's existence to them or myself, I experience the blessings God gives me in a, hopefully, humble manner and thank him for his love, mercy, and forgiveness. Forgive me, you are right that there are many good people in other faiths, and all people have felt strongly for all different religions across the globe. This leaves you with a decision. Which do I believe out of all these churches which all give me or someone else butterflies? I further defined the question as: which has produced more spiritually wealthy and strong followers? I read of the saints, fathers, and mothers of the Orthodox Church and I saw the answer very clearly. Then I saw the terrible persecution and attempted extermination of Orthodox Christians over the years- 500 million, I believe, women and children starved to death across the Syrain Desert with the sole purpose to destroy them from the Ottoman Empire and the men and priests murdered. And yet, and yet, perseverance in faith and love. @@davidfrey5654 From what I have seen and experienced Jesus Christ is the sugar coating on the otherwise sour fruit of other churches, but the fruit of the Orthodox Church is sweet.

[@Southlander1000]

I left Mormonism 32 years ago. While much has changed, much has also stayed the same. I really appreciate that you not only acknowledge the major differences between Mormonism and the Orthodox Church, but that you acknowledge the good things about them. There is so much that they hold that is **almost** but not quite Orthodox. Once they lose the baggage holding them back, they can become amazing and devout Orthodox. Because of my experience both as one of them, and later, dealing with missionaries, I have been able to send many of their missionaries home early. I know of one case where the missionary went on to start their journey to Orthodoxy before they even returned from the mission field. The mission president for this region has repeatedly warned his missionaries to stay away from my trailer. All too often, they don't make the connection and knock on the door. My method is simple. I ask if their church still teaches that God took the priesthood off the earth around AD 150. They inevitably say yes. I point them to St. Ignatius of Antioch and point out that he died somewhere between AD 97-117, meaning he's inside their idea of the early Church and an authoritative voice. I also give provenance by pointing out that he was discipled by St. John and ordained St. Peter, and probably knew St. Paul. Then I tell them to read the longer version of his 7 letters (knowing that nearly all of them have contraband cell phones with them on their missions). Then I "challenge" them -- a term that has particular meaning in LDS practice -- to ask themselves honestly if what they see in St. Ignatius' letters looks even remotely like what their church teaches. Of, course it doesn't, but it opens the doors for them to leave and it presents a challenge to their faith that they can't overcome. I also recommend to them to go home and find the nearest Orthodox Church and see what they find there.

[@GldnClaw]

Give me your temple name. It's a little payout I've got for you, but decent.

[@benjamingregersen9777]

I'm a Latter-day Saint myself and have read Ignatius and believe his teachings line right up with Latter-day Saint beliefs. Ignatius stated and knew that he was a bishop and not an Apostle. He knew that he had authority in his jurisdiction as a Bishop. Ignatius clearly stated that he did not have the authority to do what the Apostles did such as speaking for the entire church. Ignatius knew that he could only speak for those in his jurisdiction and not for the entire church like the Apostles did. Ignatius also knew that bishops could not give cammandments like the Apostles did. Saint Ignatius knew that Bishops had limited authority and they did not hold all the same Priesthood keys that the Apostles held. As a Latter-day Saint I do believe that Saint Ignatius was a man of God who righteously exercised the Priesthood authority the Apostles granted to him within his jurisdiction of the church. Ignatius stayed within those Priesthood boundaries of a Bishop and never stepped outside of that role. He absolutely knew that he didn't have the authority to do everything an Apostle does. Latter-day Saints who know who Ignatius is love and revere him. He was absolutely a man of God who held a true Priesthood calling. And acknowledging this doesn't contradict my own beliefs at all.

[@Southlander1000]

@@benjamingregersen9777 What rose colored glasses you apply to your rendition of the Saint! His teaching and theology has absolutely nothing in common with LDS teachings. He would not have recognized anything your church teaches or used to teach. He understood, for example, that the bishops are the successors to the Apostles. In Smyrnaeans, Ch 8, he tells people to obey the bishop as they see that Christ does the Father, i.e., a direct obedience. Then he likens the presbytery (i.e., the priests who are under the authority of the bishop) to the Apostles and urges obedience to them on that basis. This inverts the sequence of authority in the LDS church wherein the Apostles are near the top and the bishops are mere local functionaries. In Ephesians, Ch. 4, he says that the presbytery is "fitted to the bishop as strings are to the harp." The bishop is, again, the superior to the presbytery whom he likened to Apostles (a position rough analogous to the LDS bishop). As the risk of sounding blunt here, the LDS priesthoods have no Biblical or Apostolic precedent, their names and labels notwithstanding. For example, your Quorum of the Seventies: the Church has understood for two plus millennia that the Seventy (note: singular, not plural) were also Apostles. When we commemorate the members of that body in the Church's calendar, we call them now as then, "Apostles." They're not a separate order of some upper priesthood. The Aaronic (or properly labeled, Levitical) priesthood required not just membership in the Tribe of Levi, which no LDS have, but to be of the direct lineage of Aaron himself, which even modern Jews can't prove. The "deacons" of the Levitical priesthood never existed. It's a New Testament office. The "teachers" were never an Old Testament priesthood office. The priest and the high priest (which your church removes from the Levitical priesthood altogether; and, there was only one of those at a time!) were given the sole responsibility for the sacrificial worship and the offerings of bread and incense in the Tabernacle and later the Temple. It has precisely zero parallel with LDS practices and offices. This could go on and on for many books in length and this comments section is far too limited to continue at great length so I will stop here for now. I am sorry, but you are as far off base as you could be. I honestly mean you no personal offense when I say that, but you have created a caricature of St. Ignatius that has nothing in common with the real man or his teachings. This caricature only serves to give you a work-around that ignores the truth.

[@benjamingregersen9777]

@Southlander1000 I'm not wearing rose colored glasses, and his doctrines do reflect Latter-Day-Saint doctrines. Latterday Saints absolutely believe that they can't perform Priesthood ordinances without their Bishop because they themselves do not hold the Priesthood Keys. Ordained members cannot baptize, nore administer the Lord's supper without their Bishop. And I could go on and on about this. You obviously do not understand Latter-day Saint doctrine, and you are completely ignorant of everything Saint Ignatius said. He absolutely said that he only had Priesthood authority within his limited jurisdiction as a Bishop. That's absolutely true. Ignatius stated that he did not have the authority to do the things that Apostles do such as issuing Comandments. He knew that his authority was limited to the boundaries of a Bishop. He emphasized that he was not an Apostle. That is absolutely true and you are going to have to contend with that. Latter-Day Saint Priesthood holders really cannot do anything without the authorization of the Bishop who holds the Priesthood Keys. That absolutely matches what Ignatius said.

[@benjamingregersen9777]

@Southlander1000 your understanding of LDS Priesthood structure in relation to the Bible are very faulty. Moses ordained a seventy in the old Testament, and Jesus Christ likewise ordained a seventy in the New Testament. Your understanding of the LDS Seventy is completely wrong. The same is true of high priests within the order of Melchesidec. You need to take the time to thoroughly read the Doctrine of Covenants. Otherwise, you shouldn't comment on things you aren't properly informed about.

[@jonathanbird5094]

This is the best explanation between the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and all other Christian churches : In a pamphlet entitled The Strength of the Mormon Position, the late Elder Orson F. Whitney, of the Council of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, related the following incident under the heading "A Catholic Utterance": Many years ago a learned man, a member of the Roman Catholic Church, came to Utah and spoke from the stand of the Salt Lake Tabernacle. I became well-acquainted with him, and we conversed freely and frankly. A great scholar, with perhaps a dozen languages at his tongue's end, he seemed to know all about theology, law, literature, science and philosophy. One day he said to me: "You Mormons are all ignoramuses. You don't even know the strength of your own position. It is so strong that there is only one other tenable in the whole Christian world, and that is the position of the Catholic Church. The issue is between Catholicism and Mormonism. If we are right, you are wrong; if you are right, we are wrong; and that's all there is to it. The Protestants haven't a leg to stand on. For, if we are wrong, they are wrong with us, since they were a part of us and went out from us; while if we are right, they are apostates whom we cut off long ago. If we have the apostolic succession from St. Peter, as we claim, there is no need of Joseph Smith and Mormonism; but if we have not that succession, then such a man as Joseph Smith was necessary, and Mormonism's attitude is the only consistent one. It is either the perpetuation of the gospel from ancient times or the restoration of the gospel in latter days."

[@LadyMaria]

@@jonathanbird5094 Not really. He never knew of Holy Orthodoxy which is older than Roman Catholicism.

[@jonathanbird5094]

​@LadyMaria Eastern Orthodoxy is a break off from the original Catholic Church, therefore making them similar to the protestants and Evangelicals' break offs no longer having the authority line of ptiesthood.

[@LadyMaria]

@jonathanbird5094 That's incorrect. The autocephalos church of Rome, which was the minority of people and just one church of many, broke away from the Holy Orthodox Catholic Church. And no they don't have Apostolic Succession after they were excommunicated legally first (although they say we do have Apostolic Succession contrary to your idea). So they protested the rest of the majority not accepting their heresy, and were cut off. They then created new churches to create a new communion of churches to replace what already existed. That's called SCHISM.

[@alexbartschi602]

Not to brag but that's my priest

[@jainittai5104]

Fantastic Flex!

[@missionarydiscussions1286]

I'm sorry. He's pretty ignorant of Latter-day Saints.

[@t.d6379]

Schismatic priest, not good

[@hayteren]

It's not much of a brag given how misinformed he is😢

[@Robert-rw5lm]

Can you explain to me why he doesn't seem to know about the Temples in any way, shape or form?

[@snowmj]

30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures?

[@realmermaidman]

This is the single best Christian critique of Mormonism that I’ve ever heard on KZbin. It’s probably not a coincidence that it came from an Orthodox perspective! Entirely fair. Gave praise where it was well deserved and gave accurate criticisms that show you really know your stuff. Thank you for sharing this!

[@saguaro23]

@@realmermaidman Actually, this was largely inaccurate straw-manning, with the first propagated error entering the video around 3 seconds after he started speaking.

[@realmermaidman]

@@saguaro23 Nahhh. Joseph Smith did some impressive stuff but there is no chance the Book of Mormon is true. It’s a made up story filled with good lessons about life - like an epic American fable.

[@blessedt5676]

Visit us in Payson!! Utah!!

[@cianosorio]

I am in Utah and just came across this video, I also just looked up Orthodox church’s and the payson location stood out to me, I will come and visit this week.

[@bestgameralive1]

Fr Justin is amazing, I go to his parish St Xenia.

[@CourtMcMullin]

To say LDS members aren't aware of holiness is ignorant. Enter a temple of the Lord and tell me we don't understand the concept of something being holy.

[@blizzard2oo]

Read the Book of Mormon and no one can deny The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints is truly A Christian Faith and is the One true church of Christ on the earth!! Read the Book of Mormon sincerely to discover it's divine origin and NOT to disprove it's divine witness of Jesus Christ!!

[@TheExtremeIRON]

I have and you don't

[@alanmcquaig30]

Holiness means set apart. To say that God was once a man makes His status achievable to us and therefore not holy. God is something different entirely from us

[@WilliamPotting]

We pray for those outside the Church that they will see the truth and come to Holy Orthodoxy. ☦️🙏🏻

[@ShaneStone-bd3ir]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@alanmcquaig30only by the grace of God are we made holy not by any human achievement ❤☦️

[@jeffbingham2953]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the kingdom of God on the earth. No matter what others say or do, the stone cut out of the mountain without hands will continue to roll forward to fill the whole earth. Nothing can stop the work from progressing.

[@brijsmi072]

@@jeffbingham2953 If that’s where you’re at right now, good for you. I said the same thing for fifty years. Then I considered just how much grace I extended to the church because of the presupposed innocence I was trained to give it. Analyzing faith in an institution like the church, when you’re unwilling to consider evidence and truths that would refute it SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE, isn’t real consideration…it’s a great foundation for reciting all the right things we’re taught to say…but if you’ve never seriously and objectively considered, “…yeah, but what if…”, then it’s built on sand.

[@benjamingregersen9777]

@brijsmi072 The prophet Daniel's prophesy regarding the Rock without hands being cut out of the mountain is a prophesy for the Latter-days. How on earth can rock cut out of the mountain be some ancient Church???? Obviously, that rock must be a church that's established in the Latter-days because the Bible says so. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is certainly a worthy candidate for that prophecies fulfillment.

[@brijsmi072]

@ Was it the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?…OR was it the church organized by Joseph Smith (because they are NOT the same church). When Brigham took power, they rebaptized his followers into that church.

[@benjamingregersen9777]

@brijsmi072 Joseph Smith titled the restored church "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." That's a fact of history. And as you are aware, there are breakoff churches from that church.

[@brijsmi072]

@@benjamingregersen9777 Then why were the saints rebaptized after Joseph’s death?

[@user-yn9tv3pw6u]

Sad that a lds missionary can’t define holiness. It’s everywhere in the church, from reading our scriptures, to hearing a hymn, to worship in the temple. There is presence

[@michaelnicholas5587]

I'm not convinced this guy is telling the truth about that.

[@codygraham2713]

I’m LDS and have been looking into orthodoxy for a little over a year now. My wife has been hesitant and just this week alone she is now ready to attend a vespers service. The very day after we prayed evening prayers together for the first time, this video drops. Gods timing is impeccable. Glory to God. Thank you for your work.

[@BBBRRROOODDDYYY]

❤

[@IIZCHAOS]

God be with you

[@GldnClaw]

Give me your temple name, if you really are LDS. I've got a $50 for you.

[@2ndTimothyCh.2-24-2-w]

@@IIZCHAOS ,...The only thing that is with mormons and orthodox is deception, absolutely not the God of the Bible. These are both 100% false manmade religions.

[@BBBRRROOODDDYYY]

@GldnClaw Moroni of Fakeangay

[@sosa4893]

Excellent. Please consider doing a video specifically on “Jehovah’s Witness”

[@RootsofOrthodoxy]

Thank you! God bless. I will see if a priest can be available to discuss this topic soon.

[@samfrost9645]

As a current practicing member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I found that he makes a ton of really great points! I’ve always admired the level of commitment from different denominations. While I don’t agree with everything, I think there are some points that every member could take and use in their lives. Thanks for an interesting and insightful video.

[@SamyagAjivaAjiva]

How trite

[@BM_100]

Stop wasting your time in Mormonism. Ex LDS here, went to Orthodoxy and never looked back. Mormonism contradicts itself multiple times and lies to its members about doctrine

[@arkenjoan2220]

I was raised Mormon and converted to Orthodoxy in 2021. Its so incredible to learn that the church of Christ never left the earth and has been here the whole time.

[@spectralflapjack]

God bless you. The "Great Apostasy" is one of the most regrettable lies of LDS doctrine, and the argument for it falls on its face with the smallest amount of scrutiny. I'm so glad you found home.

[@DOA011970]

What difference does it make between being a Mormon or Orthodox believer?!? Both are serving the same idol.

[@spectralflapjack]

@@DOA011970 You mean God? It very much makes a difference. Mormons are neo-gnostic heretics.

[@jacobbowers7137]

@@spectralflapjackit’s not a regrettable lie, it’s clear from history that there was an apostasy. Death of apostles and them only being replaced by bishops (who decades later were elected in various towns to their office), Icon veneration, intercession of saints, disappearance of prayer circles and baptisms for the dead centuries after Christ to name a few, and obviously also the confusing and unbiblical teachings of the trinity. I respect and have a deep appreciation for the Eastern Orthodox Church and those who believe, but don’t pretend like it’s obvious that there wasn’t an apostasy. There’s been a good amount of research on the subject as well. I recommend looking into the works of Robert Boylan who is an expert on this matter, along with the writings of the late Hugh Nibley.

[@Orthodoxy8078]

@@DOA011970 - your deceived.

[@S62r]

Being Christian is about more than mere affiliation with a denomination and whoever this guy is doesn’t decide but god alone.

[@SaintOfZion]

A Christian, by definition, is someone who believes in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, the Savior of the world, and the Redeemer of humanity through His life, death, and resurrection. Christians adhere to His teachings and seek to follow Him as the ultimate example of love, compassion, and salvation. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) is undeniably Christian because it holds Jesus Christ at the center of its doctrine, teaching that He is the Savior of the world, and that salvation comes only through Him. The LDS Church emphasizes faith in Jesus Christ (2 Nephi 25:23-26), teaches His gospel, and administers essential ordinances like baptism and the sacrament in His name (Matthew 28:19). Unlike other Christian denominations, the LDS Church believes in the need for a restoration of the gospel and priesthood authority, which was lost after the death of Christ’s apostles and restored to the earth through the Prophet Joseph Smith (Amos 8:11-12; Doctrine and Covenants 13). This restoration was necessary to correct doctrinal errors and preserve the fullness of Christ’s teachings, as seen in the Book of Mormon, which testifies that Jesus is the Christ (2 Nephi 25:26) and provides an additional witness of His divinity and atoning sacrifice. The LDS Church is not only Christian by belief in Christ, but is also the only Christian denomination that claims to have the complete, restored gospel-including the priesthood authority to perform saving ordinances-making it uniquely aligned with Christ’s original teachings, as outlined in the Bible and further clarified in the Book of Mormon. Therefore, the LDS Church stands as a true Christian faith, centered on Jesus Christ, His atonement, and the doctrines He established, restoring them in their fullness to guide all to salvation.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@e11-f2l]

A Christian is someone who follows the Nicene Creed, if you do not follow it then you are not a Christian

[@SaintOfZion]

@ As members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, we are Christians because we believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, the Savior of the world, and the central figure of our faith. While we respect historical Christian creeds like the Nicene Creed, we do not adhere to them because they do not fully align with the teachings of the Bible and modern revelation, which clarify the distinct nature of the Godhead. As Jesus taught in John 17:3, “This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent,” our faith is centered on knowing and following Christ as revealed in both the Bible and additional scripture. Therefore, we affirm that we are Christians, striving to follow Christ and live according to His teachings.

[@TheExtremeIRON]

​​@@SaintOfZionGnostics made a lot of the same claims in the first centuries that you are now. And yet they were Gnostics and not true Christians. You also realize that it's entirely contradictory to say you believe in the bible which only exists as we know it know through the authority of the Church granted by God, the exact same Church that established the Nicene Creed. If you hold that the authority was sufficient to determine which writings were actually inspired and which were heretical but not to create a statement of faith you are being blatantly hypocritical

[@SaintOfZion]

@ It’s curious that some yous attempt to redefine what it means to be Christian based on early heretical groups like the Gnostics, who distorted the gospel with their denial of Christ’s physical Resurrection and divinity. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, however, is built on the doctrine of Christ’s Atonement, His literal Resurrection, and His role as the Savior of the world-core beliefs that have never changed. In fact, Jesus Himself established His Church with divine authority (Matthew 16:18), which was lost during the Great Apostasy, as foretold in Acts 20:29-30 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3. This very authority was restored through the Prophet Joseph Smith, and that restoration includes the fullness of Christ’s gospel, with living prophets and apostles. Unlike those early heretics, we follow Christ by keeping His commandments and inviting others to do the same (John 3:5, Matthew 7:16). It’s not about arbitrary labels-it’s about accepting Jesus Christ as Savior and following His teachings. The reality is that the LDS Church not only claims to follow Christ but does so with the fullness of His gospel, as evidenced by our devotion to His word and commandments. At the end of the day, it is the LDS who know the Bible the best, as confirmed by the Pew Research Center, which has found that Latter-day Saints consistently score higher than other Christian groups in Bible knowledge. And that’s the truth-one that stands strong regardless of the opinions of those who seek to limit the definition of “Christian.”

[@truthUannex]

Was cut off temporarily by a commercial Sorry I really need to be very careful to hear, listen & pay attention after listening to your complete message before typing a single word. Please for give my mistake, thank you . God bless you, in your efforts to share perspectives with us your fellow youtubers. I feel somewhat better now that I realized thx to your keen insights one of my blind spots.

[@DRT279]

The LDS Church helps those with a sincere heart draw closer to Christ more than any other religion.

[@brijsmi072]

@@DRT279 They are obsessed with temple work, for which there is zero scriptural basis. The temple is a golden calf…a distraction.

[@brijsmi072]

@@DRT279 In what way?

[@briandavis6898]

​@@brijsmi072So many ways. The book of Mormon, priesthood, prayers in the name of Christ, redemption of the dead.

[@buddyduddyful]

Amen

[@DRT279]

@@brijsmi072 massive missionary work that is currently happening in almost every country. Almost every Christian religion teaches that you have to accept Christ here on earth or you’re going to hell. We believe that there’s more opportunities to accept Christ as their savior even after this life. So the billions of people who haven’t accepted Christ will have an opportunity to learn of him and choose to accept him as their savior. It’s gives so much happiness and hope.

[@tylergood9168]

I changed my life after talking with them. sold a motorcycle and snowmobile collection. they can't go. I was fascinated by it. in the end, the word of God lives in me. I can't teach it if I'm not here. I offered to loan the kids, "elders" my kayaks, fly fishing gear , quads, all kinds of toys for their day off...they visit from other places in the country. no can do. ok. I get it. I respect it. I had been doing a thing where you go 100 mph everyday of the year. legally. trails, boat, snowmobile, racetrack, and yes, the occasional public roadway, airplane, whatever it takes...generally... I quit. because of them. truly. I'm not sure what to do about surfing. at 60, I got a new board. and a skateboard...they are dangerous. deadly. my heart is for Christ and His truth. getting it to the kids...setting an example, these things were my thing....living well, working hard...going hard. going fast. I still play hockey. both. as does my ex. I said I'd take up golf when I could no longer play. mom raced. everything. cars to skiing. mom. buried among the USMC. mom. dad, lol...still with the motorcycle everyday. so...quitting is tough. I give credit to them. gave them a piano for their new church. the question here..."is there truth outside your church"....ish...yes. their claim is "another"....so...yes. I love my brothers and sisters. as for me and my house, I will serve the Lord. bless you and your loved ones. thanks for this video. I believe it to be the truth. also. it certainly is full of wisdom. thanks for that.

[@cartercromar3980]

I, an active member of the LDS church wanted to Weep listening to this. Its clear he has thoughtfully and genuinely engaged in the culture and community of my curch and people's. It makes me weep that so many of my LDS brothers and sisters are so weak in faith, so ignorant in doctrine and tradition that THIS is his take away. It genuinely disheartened me. LDS Doctrine is deep, profound, and focuses on the Mysterious and Beautiful ways of God. I pray that the LDS membership wakes up and realizes that we are NOT protestant. I hope there are better members in this world who can help all my Orthodox and Catholic brothers and sisters see what our doctrine actually is

[@GlorytoTriuneGod]

Well, saying that he's wrong about this is easy, but proving that he's wrong isn't possible, right?

[@cartercromar3980]

@AngryMoai1972 no I could, it's fairly well known in the church (LDS Church) that Utah members are more cultural members/"protestant" members. They don't actually engage in the meaningful doctrine but instead focus on the culture and the identity. I could make a response video to this and have been thinking of doing so for the past few hours. It wouldn't be a Debunking but a deeper explanation because it seems like he's very familiar with the shallow Utah explanations.

[@dereksyota]

@@cartercromar3980 but how do you know these doctrines are true and correlate with the prior revelation? For example, Jesus said the prophets were until John. But in these last days he preaches through his son. I’m paraphrasing btw😂 but you cannot just brush these contradictions aside. I used to be LDS until finding out the truth. And seeking truth. You cannot base truth off of a feeling in your bosom. We cannot be afraid of truth and if the church is the one true church, it can take the hits without having to change doctrines. But that is not the track record. So please come home to the ancient past and stop following this false Prophet Joseph Smith and Russell M Nelson.

[@cartercromar3980]

@@dereksyota I think that's just were we have a huge miss understand bud. I don't think that's what Jesus said. He said beware false prophets. Would that not imply true prophets?

[@dereksyota]

@ he said the prophets were until John. As in John the Baptist.

[@Dr.ChangPangWang]

Sir you speak well for me to understand better and I can try to do what you teach me

[@hmlinder]

Spoiler alert. The Church of Jesus Christ is the only church that teaches the fullness of the doctrine of Christ and is the only true and living biblical church on earth.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@livingmombirth4005]

Exactly. Our friend here dosen't understand revelation and many other principles that were inherent and part of the church of Christ.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

@ revelations of abominations are from different spirits.. not God. The angels that visited Joseph were not from God

[@hmlinder]

@Psuedo-Christian-Cult interesting claim, but you have to reject the Bible to believe that. Your choice. But not recommended.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

@@hmlinder hahaha sorry Joseph Smith is beyond anti biblical. I accept revelation. I accept the Bible. But lds and Joseph smith have revealed abominations and used Gods name to teach them

[@logannance10]

"If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him."

[@NVRSTP]

Galatians 1:8 is a stab at the heart of the entire ideology of Mormonism to anyone being intellectually honest.

[@SeanyeMidWest]

Not really. Because, that says if the angel brings another Gospel let him be accursed. The Book of Mormon does teach another Gospel. It teaches that salvation cometh by faith in Jesus Christ, Repentance, Baptism by one who receives the priesthood, and receiving the holy ghost. Not anything different than what Peter teaches in Acts 2 at the Pentecost.

[@AyoOdimayo]

@@SeanyeMidWest So it matches up once and that’s all you need? That makes the rest of it completely fine? In that case, Islam is fine because it teaches that Jesus was the Messiah and Son of Mary.

[@NVRSTP]

@ Yes, really. I get where you’re coming from, but Galatians 1:8 is actually quite significant in this context. The Greek word for “gospel” is euangelion, which means “good news.” For early Christians, and especially for Trinitarian Christians, this “good news” was very specific: it’s about Jesus’ life, death, and resurrection as the fulfillment of God’s plan to save humanity. It’s not just any message about Jesus-it’s a proclamation of salvation through grace, accessible through faith, without additional requirements. The core of the early Christian gospel revolves around the Incarnation (God becoming human in Jesus), His sacrificial death on the cross for humanity, His resurrection, and the promise of salvation by grace through faith. This gospel isn’t just about teachings or commands, or even shared terminology; it’s the message that through Christ, salvation is given freely to those who believe. The LDS “gospel,” while it shares some terminology like faith in Jesus and repentance, introduces elements that change this framework in ways that are central to traditional Christian belief. For instance, the LDS gospel includes the idea of Jesus and Lucifer being spiritual “brothers,” both seen as literal children of God in a pre-mortal existence. This view fundamentally alters the nature of Jesus compared to the Orthodox and Trinitarian understanding, where Jesus is the eternally begotten Son, fully divine, and of one essence with the Father and the Holy Spirit-without any notion of siblinghood with Lucifer. Additionally, LDS doctrine holds that God the Father has a physical body, whereas traditional Christianity teaches that God is spirit and does not possess a physical body. The LDS concept of exaltation also presents the idea that humans can become like God in essence and status, which contrasts sharply with traditional Christian beliefs, where salvation is union with God in holiness and love, not becoming a god in essence. When Paul warns against “another gospel” in Galatians, he’s stressing that any message that deviates from the one he received from Christ Himself isn’t the true gospel. Orthodox Christians and other traditional Christians view the LDS additions as a departure from the original message, which is why we’d say it’s “another gospel” in essence. The LDS claim that Moroni, an angel, brought a new revelation that introduced teachings not found in the Bible or early Christian doctrine-like the concepts of exaltation, pre-mortal existence, and additional requirements for salvation-fits Paul’s warning. We see a similar issue with Islam, where Mohammed claimed that the angel Jabril (Gabriel) brought him a revelation, resulting in an entirely different theology. Islam’s theology presents a monotheistic God but includes historical misunderstandings, like referring to Mary as the sister of Aaron, which reflects a timeline discrepancy. So, when Joseph Smith claimed that an angel revealed new scriptures and doctrines, many Christians see this as exactly what Paul was warning about in Galatians. They believe Paul’s caution against “another gospel” was intended to safeguard the integrity of the original gospel, regardless of who delivers a new message. While Paul wasn’t specifically referring to Moroni, his warning is often interpreted as a timeless caution against any future teachings that might alter the foundation of the Christian faith. Hope that helps clarify things!

[@SeanyeMidWest]

@@NVRSTP Ok so a few things: 1. In your paragraph about the Good News. You said salvation through grace / faith with no additional requirements. But don't the Orthodox and Catholic churches believe that the sacraments (baptism, eucharist, etc.) are also necessary? If not, please do enlighten me. But if so, I don't really see that as being any different from our beliefs. Along with that, pre-existence, exaltation, the temple are not mentioned in The Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon itself teaches faith, repentance, baptism, and the holy ghost. It teaches of priesthood authority. It teaches of the scattering and gathering of Israel. So, if you want to get technical, which often it appears that you all of other Christian faiths appear to like to, the angel itself did not bring another Gospel. That additional revelation was given over time to a living prophet. The same way the law was revealed to Moses in his day. 2. The part about the physical body. Yes, we do believe that God has a physical body. My question to you would be, what is the importance of the resurrection in that case then? If the supreme being is a disembodied being, why is there a resurrection? Wouldn't it make sense for us to just die and remain as disembodied spirits to be more like God? And why did God say Adam and Eve were made in His image when they were given bodies if He, Himself, has no body? 3. Jesus and Lucifer being spirit brothers - I do like how all you other faiths always say that "Mormons believe Jesus and Lucifer are brothers". It is true, but you all always leave out the fact that we believe that WE ALL are spirit brothers and spirit sisters of Christ. Because we are all spirit Children of God. Christ is the Firstborn and the Only Begotten in the flesh. And Christians always try to claim that we do not believe Christ is eternal. We actually in fact do. But what makes us different is we believe that there is a part of each of God's spirit children that is eternal.

[@NVRSTP]

​@@SeanyeMidWest 1. I can only speak for the view on Sacraments in Orthodoxy Christianity here. In Orthodox Christianity, salvation is fundamentally understood as being achieved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. This means that while the sacraments-such as baptism and the Eucharist-are deeply integral to the spiritual life, they are not seen as strict legal requirements for salvation. Instead, sacraments are viewed as essential means through which believers receive and experience God’s grace, aiding their growth in holiness and union with God. Orthodox theology teaches that the sacraments provide transformative encounters with God’s grace, but it also acknowledges God’s mercy and sovereignty beyond the visible boundaries of the Church. For those sincerely seeking Him but outside of the Church’s sacramental life, Orthodox Christianity trusts in God's grace to reach them in ways beyond our understanding. Sacraments are, therefore, normative and central in Orthodox practice for believers who are within the Church, guiding them deeper into communion with God. The focus is less about rigid “requirements” for salvation and more about the transformative power of the sacraments in a life committed to Christ. They are seen as a path of grace-a way to participate in divine life and grow closer to God-but not as absolute prerequisites. Ultimately, salvation remains a gift of God’s grace through faith, with the sacraments acting as profound gifts that orient and nurture the believer’s journey toward God. And as for “getting technical,” let’s go there! When you say, “the angel itself did not bring another Gospel,” that still doesn’t align with Paul’s warning in Galatians 1:8. Even if the teachings introduced by Moroni (or spread out over time through prophets) were not all in the Book of Mormon, they still represent a new, post-apostolic “gospel” in light of traditional Christian beliefs. Paul’s warning applies to any different gospel delivered after the revelation of Jesus Christ, and Galatians 1:8 directly addresses any gospel that diverges from the apostolic one. The angel’s introduction of new revelations still fits Paul’s warning, and Jude 1:3 backs this up, commanding us to “contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.” And mind you, it says if anyone, even an angel in Gal 1:8. Jude 1:3 is significant because it implies that the core teachings of Christianity were delivered definitively to the early Church and were intended to be complete and unchanging. Traditional Christianity uses this verse to argue that the apostolic teachings were final and that any later claims of revelation are unnecessary or even counter to the established faith. The LDS point about additional revelation given over time to prophets contrasts with traditional Christianity’s view of revelation as complete with the apostles. So, yes, Galatians 1:8 would still apply here, because in the Orthodox understanding, there is no role for angels or prophets to introduce fundamentally new doctrines after the apostolic age. Christianity holds that the fullness of God’s revelation was completed in Jesus Christ, who is viewed as the ultimate and final revelation of God (Hebrews 1:1-2). This revelation was entrusted to His apostles, who were eyewitnesses of Christ’s life, death, and resurrection. According to Jude 1:3, the faith was “once for all delivered to the saints.” This phrase “once for all” signifies a finality to the revelation; it wasn’t intended to be added to or changed by future prophets or angels. Apostolic succession-the unbroken line of bishops tracing back to the apostles-was established to preserve and pass down the teachings of Jesus without deviation. Church Fathers like Irenaeus and Tertullian specifically refuted groups that claimed new revelations, asserting that the apostolic faith was complete and that any divergence represented a “different gospel,” in line with Paul’s warning in Galatians 1:8. This succession has been the means of protecting against the introduction of “new” doctrines. Throughout history, ecumenical councils (like Nicaea and Chalcedon) have gathered to confirm essential Christian doctrines and refute divergent teachings. These councils relied on the collective wisdom of bishops and the apostolic tradition to preserve orthodoxy. When individuals or groups claimed new revelations, these councils generally rejected them as heretical, as they deviated from the “faith once delivered.” No angelic or prophetic appearance could override the teachings affirmed by the apostles and upheld through apostolic succession. 2. On God Having a Physical Body and the Resurrection Alright, let’s clarify. First, it’s actually quite simple: the reason for the resurrection has everything to do with the second hypostasis of the Trinity, Jesus Christ. Jesus is God, the eternal Son, who took on a human body in the Incarnation, fully embracing both divine and human natures. He’s not just some elevated being or a "brother" in a lineup with angels; He’s God Himself. The resurrection is crucial because, in His human nature, Jesus conquered death to offer us the hope of eternal life. Through His resurrection, He transformed human nature, giving us the promise that our own bodies will be raised and glorified. The resurrection isn’t about mimicking some idea of a “disembodied God” but rather completing God’s plan for humanity’s redemption. When you ask, “If the supreme being is a disembodied being, why is there a resurrection?” it actually shows you don’t fully view Jesus as God-because Jesus is God and had a physical body. You’re missing the central point of Christian teaching here. The Orthodox (and all traditional Christians) affirm that Jesus Christ, the second person of the Trinity, assumed human flesh and rose with a glorified body. God the Father, being spirit, does not have a physical form, but the Son took on flesh precisely to redeem us. The resurrection isn’t about becoming “like God” in the sense of a spirit being; it’s about God becoming like us so that we could be saved and share in His life. Regarding the “image of God” in Adam and Eve-again, this comes back to the Trinity. Being made in God’s image has nothing to do with physical resemblance. It means we’re created with attributes that reflect God’s nature: rationality, free will, the capacity for love, and the ability to relate to God. The “image of God” has always been about our spiritual and relational capacities, not physical bodies. This concept isn’t new or mysterious; it’s a foundational part of Christian teaching. Honestly, if you’re going to get “technical,” please be sure you’re on solid ground. This idea that God must have a body because we do was actually refuted nearly 2,000 years ago. The early Church firmly rejected the notion that God the Father has a physical body-it’s an error known as anthropomorphism, which the Church dealt with and dismissed. So yes, the Trinity is the key here. Through the Incarnation and resurrection, Christ (who is God) assumed and redeemed human nature. It’s not about God needing a body to be "complete"; it’s about God’s incredible act of love in joining Himself to humanity for our salvation.

[@HolkHugan]

I've been talking to LDS missionaries. They're very understanding, and surprised that Orthodoxy has already been talking about things they preach. The Sacraments needed to be saved, the search for divinity and spiritual virtuosity, the living faith through works done for the glory of God. I want to put Orthodoxy in the back of their minds so that they can ponder whether or not their church is true. I explained apostolic succession to them and they had no answers. "Oh, we restored Christ's church with a prophet and 12 apostles". That's what Christ's church is? 13 men who dictate all? So God let His people be in apostasy for 1800 years until He decided to make His true church in America? So all those Christians that were persecuted are not true Christians?

[@Lovecatholicfaith]

The comments are so disrespectful here. And why let me explain because LDS people are beautiful in their feelings, but they choose to believe in those feelings rather than facts. I used to cry a lot in my testimony times. Now I know it was a kind of manipulation that I was brainwashed for. At the moment I decided to read history, I found my way out of it . I am Catholic now. I love my brother's and sisters from LDS faith. Let's pray for them and for ourselves.

[@kylehansen639]

So just to clarify, people telling Mormons how they are not Christian is bad, but Mormons can say whatever they wish about RCs, Prots and Orthodox and it is totally good in your book, Christians don't need to "put a defense" as Peter says to? From the historic LDS Mormons with the authority to speak for the Church: "Many men say there is one God; the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are only one God! I say that is a strange God anyhow-three in one, and one in three! It is a curious organization. All are to be crammed into one God, according to sectarianism. It would make the biggest God in all the world. He would be a wonderfully big God -he would be a giant or a monster.” -Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 372. “And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal, uncreated, immaterial, and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit.” (Bruce R. McConkie, “False Christs,” Mormon Doctrine, 2nd edition, 269) "With regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world.” (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:199) “We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense…the Devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century.” (John Taylor, Journal of Discourses 6:167) “Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls.” (Bruce R. McConkie, “Damnation,” Mormon Doctrine, 2nd edition, 177) “As a church we have critics, many of them. They say we do not believe in the traditional Christ of Christianity. There is some substance to what they say” (Gordon Hinckley, “We look to Christ,” Ensign (Conference Edition), May 2002, p. 90). "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the "whore of Babylon" whom the Lord denounces... as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. And any person who shall be so wicked as to receive a holy ordinance of the gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent of the unholy and impious act. If any penitent believer desires to obtain forgiveness of sins through baptism, let him beware of having any thing to do with the churches of apostate Christendom, lest he perish in the awful plagues and judgments, denounced against them. The only persons among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people who have authority from Jesus Christ to administer any gospel ordinance are those called and authorized among the Latter-day Saints. Before the restoration of the church of Christ to the earth in the year 1830, there have been no people on the earth for many generations possessing authority from God to minister gospel ordinances. We again repeat. Beware of the hypocritical false teachers and imposters of Babylon!- The Seer, Vol.2, No.4, p.255 "The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church is the great corrupt ecclesiastic power, represented by great Babylon which has made all nations drunk with her wickedness, and she must fall, after she has been warned with the sound of the everlasting gospel. Her overthrow will be by a series of the most terrible judgments which will quickly succeed each other, and sweep over the nations where she has her dominion, and at last she will be utterly burned by fire, for thus hath the Lord spoken. Great, and fearful, and most terrible judgments are decreed upon these corrupt powers, the nations of modern Christendom; for strong is the Lord God who shall execute His fierce wrath upon them, and He will not cease until He has made a full end, and until their names be blotted out from under heaven."-Apostle Orson Pratt, Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, p.84 - p.85 Pagan cult text verses worth noting: -1 Nephi 13:5-6 -1 Nephi 13:8 -1 Nephi 13:26 -1 Nephi 13:28 -1 Nephi 13:34 -1 Nephi 14:3 -1 Nephi 14:9 -1 Nephi 14:10-11 -1 Nephi 14:12 -1 Nephi 14:13 -1 Nephi 14:15-16 -1 Nephi 14:17 -1 Nephi 22:13 -1 Nephi 22:14 -2 Nephi 6:12 -2 Nephi 10:16 -2 Nephi 28:18 -Doctrine and Covenants 29:21 -Doctrine and Covenants 88:94 "But returning to the general corruption that has prevailed nationally, politically, and religiously, under the name of Christianity, leaving out Christ and his Apostles, I do think there has been no idolatry in the world, under any form or system, that could surpass it. It is the mystery of iniquity, the great whore of all the earth. It has brought the whole earth under a lasting curse, having departed from the laws of God, changed the ordinances, and broken the everlasting covenant, in consequence of which the earth is destined to be burned, and few men left."- Apostle Parley P. Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 3, p.41 Original member of the 12: "She is termed, in other places, by the same prophet, "The whore of all the earth," making the nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication. Some three centuries ago there came out sortie excellent men, named Martin Lather, John Calvin and many others that might be mentioned, who protested against the wickedness and abominations of the Church wherein they had been educated, and of which they had been members. Because of their protestations against the mother Church they were called Protestants. They pronounced her the whore of all the earth; they declared that she had no authority, that she had none of the blessings and gifts which characterized the ancient Christians. They came out and established other Churches... But among all these Churches where are the characteristics of Zion? We hunt for them in vain."- Apostle Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses Vol. 14, p.346 Original member of the 12: "Thrones shall be cast down, and the Ancient of Days shall sit, and the body of the fourth beast (or Babylon) shall be given to the devouring flame, and then shall the remnant of the heathen know that the Lord is God, for they shall see and hear of his judgments, which he shall execute upon the corrupt powers of the earth under the name of modern Christianity, scripturally called "Babylon the Great"-"The whore of all the earth," with whom the nations for centuries have committed fornication, and have drank out of her filthy cup. O Babylon! thou hast decked thyself with costly ornaments! Thou has clothed thyself with the most gaudy apparel! Thy seminaries of learning, and thy theological institutions have been multiplied far and wide. Thy priests are polished with all the refinements of a profound and extensive education. Thy costly and magnificent churches have been erected in great numbers throughout all thy borders. The merchants of the earth have made themselves rich through the abundance of thy luxuries. The learned-the great-the mighty-the kings of the earth, have glorified themselves in thy grand and superb palaces. Thou hast indeed enrobed thyself in the royal splendors of a queen. Thine external appearance has excited the admiration of all nations. But internally thou art rotten with the filth of thy whoredoms."- Apostle Orson Pratt, The Essential Orson Pratt, p.109 1 Nephi 14:10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. Church of the Lamb="Restored Christianity" aka Mormonism. Church of the Devil=Anyone who doesn't buy in to the Mormon cult. The Brighamite LDS Mormons who belong to Russell Nelson will bear their subjective testimony (regurgitate their gut feelings) often that they "know" their church is the only true church on earth. Their miraculous 1st vision (1 of 8 differing tales) has Elohim (Mormon heavenly father) and Jehovah (Mormon Jesus) telling Joseph not to join any Christian Churches because "they are all abominations." It is safe to say Mormonism has a deep rooted problem with historic Christianity that much is crystal clear. The only weird part is the Modern Mormons that try to spin the narrative and pretend they are accepting of Christians. They are very deceptive.

[@kadmii]

I have mormon missionaries coming back next Friday. I promised to read some of their book (and I will at least to better understand what it is they believe), but most importantly, how do I reach out to them and present Orthodoxy to them in a non-confrontational, inviting way? I don't expect to win them over, but I want to help open the door for them

[@johnnyd2383]

How did the meeting go.? Cults are hard to address I can tell you from my personal experience with SDA.

[@katrinad.571]

I’m a former orthodox Christian that converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. If I’m not a Christian in your eyes that’s fine. I feel much more comfortable referring to myself as a disciple of Christ.

[@jashergrunau8235]

Every person I know who became Mormon (I know many) admittedly did so because they wanted to date/ marry someone who was Mormon. Lot of attractive people in the LDS church. Blonde hair blue eyed beauties that are outwardly wholesome and educated

[@can_ye_feel_so_now]

@@jashergrunau8235 my man that is is not the case for most people, as a returned missionary and as a convert, I can tell you this is not the case. The restored gospel just makes sense. Way more than anything else out there.

[@SamyagAjivaAjiva]

@@jashergrunau8235it’s status-driven. Theocracy. Sure there’s industrious but that’s honestly far more acquainted with the enterprising rather than the ethical. Observe their history.

[@LadyMaria]

We have a lot of Mormons turned Orthodox in our Parish, including my husband.

[@WilliamPotting]

Some of the Mormons need to calm down. This is an “Orthodox Perspective” on LDS.

[@LadyMaria]

Sadly, the majority of them do not know how to be civil when their beliefs are called into question.

[@brucedegler4301]

An "Orthodox Perspective" on LDS should at least first seek to understand the doctrines and practices of that church before expressing an opinion on them. In this interview I heard mostly what I would call straw man arguments based, it seems to me, on mostly poorly informed ideas of what the actual beliefs of that church are. I would suggest that Father Justin first seek accurate information from informed and faithful LDS sources, and then perhaps to interact in a discussion with one or more of those faithful and informed Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. This would serve to dispel any false notions as to what faithful and informed Latter Day Saints actually believe and practice.

[@LadyMaria]

@brucedegler4301 From someone who has studied this stuff on and off for a couple decades, married an active Mormon (at the time), and conversed with Mormons, it's pretty spot on. Need I remind you that Mormons often get our beliefs wrong and refuse to learn about our beliefs? They think the Trinity is Modalism. They never ask us about our beliefs but use wrong information based on what other Mormons have taught them and strawmen. And they will argue with us saying they know our beliefs better than we do or just straight up insult us.

[@briandavis6898]

“We talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ, we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ, and we write according to our prophecies, that our children may know to what source they may look for a remission of their sins” (2 Nephi 25:26).

[@SorryNoMike]

I'm still a catechumen, but seeing the beauty of Orthodoxy makes me want to share it. My best friend, a devout Mormon, lives his faith daily, and his family prays together with a depth that reminds me of the reverence in the liturgy. Mormons have this commitment to prayer and family that feels so close to Orthodox values. I think he’d find something powerful in Orthodoxy, a deeper home for what he already believes. I think this video is so spot on. I'm going to share it with him.

[@hayteren]

As a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, I can say we have no issue in depth. But it would be a good idea to share this video with your friend because this priest is misinformed and your friend can help you out. Please listen about our faith. Don't tell us about something which we know more about.

[@obsessedgoose]

I was raised Mormon. And I know you’re going to flip and say “It’s LDS!”, we were just Mormons when I was a kid. You really don’t have depth. I’m orthodox now and have seen both. You’re in a puddle that you think has depth, where orthodoxy is an ocean that has no end to its depth. So, I can tell you, because I’ve seen both sides. You e proved his point numerous times in this comment section, you’re all emotion.

[@SaintOfZion]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) is the true Church of Jesus Christ, restored in its fullness through the Prophet Joseph Smith, a restoration made necessary by the Great Apostasy after the death of the apostles (Amos 8:11-12; 2 Thessalonians 2:3). While the Eastern Orthodox Church claims apostolic succession, it does not possess the fullness of the gospel or the priesthood authority necessary for salvation, which was lost during the apostasy and later restored through divine intervention (Doctrine and Covenants 13). Jesus Christ prayed for unity among His followers (John 17:21), yet the existence of numerous denominations with conflicting doctrines clearly contradicts this intent. The LDS Church, unlike the Orthodox, recognizes that the Bible alone is insufficient and that additional scripture, such as the Book of Mormon (John 10:16), is essential for understanding God’s complete will for His people. The LDS doctrine of salvation, which combines faith in Christ with essential ordinances such as baptism by immersion and the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38), is rooted in the teachings of both the Bible and the Book of Mormon. As the only church possessing the restored priesthood authority to perform saving ordinances, including baptism, the LDS Church fulfills Christ’s command to “bring forth the fruits of the gospel” and administer them in His name (Matthew 28:19-20). Therefore, the LDS Church, through its divinely restored priesthood, doctrine, and scriptures, is the only true Church that can claim to fully represent the gospel of Jesus Christ.

[@alexmartirosov]

I've been truly blessed to know this incredible person, who has been my pastor, father, and friend for two decades. Father Justin baptized both me and my beautiful daughter, who is the light of my life. He is truly a gift from God, guiding and inspiring all of us on our journeys. If you’re near the Salt Lake area, I highly recommend visiting our beautiful church in Payson, just off the exit. Father Justin is a deeply loving, welcoming, and fair man. Thank you, Father, for sharing your years of wisdom, knowledge, and unconditional love. - Alex and Zoey

[@davidfrey5654]

By what authority did he baptize you. The Bible itself has no authority. He, himself, cannot claim authority. Who gave him his authority to baptize you. Read the Bible. The Bible explicitly shows that you must have authority from someone authorized to do this holy ordinance. If you don't, it's like taking a little dunk in the water.

[@mattwebb8234]

Mark 9:38 ¶ And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is on our part. Apparently this guy needs to read his Bible. Jesus clearly said if we are doing good works in his name then we are his.

[@zacharyclement2880]

The origins of “peculiar people” for Latter Day Saints actually comes from the Bible, not just from modern prophets. 1 Peter 2:9, Titus 2:14, Exodus 19:5, psalm 135:4. However, I think this may only appear in the KJV (and I also recognize that the meaning of “peculiar” has changed somewhat since the KJV was done.

[@dmitrynikiforov1986]

The Book of Mormon is the word of God and it proves that the Bible is true!

[@roncook6280]

No it doesn't

[@dmitrynikiforov1986]

@roncook6280 the time will tell

[@alexzank4821]

False prophet, opposes the bible harshly

[@michaelnicholas5587]

@@alexzank4821 What do we (LDS) believe that opposes the Bible?

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@beauty4ashes-33]

When he gagged over people feeling the Holy Spirit is wild, how do you dismiss the Holy Spirit like that when it plays a huge part of the Bible? The Holy Spirit tells you the truth.

[@CancerousCosmic]

Because how do you know the Holy Spirit is communicating with you in that moment. Two people claim the Spirit is telling them something completely different, how do they discern the truth?

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@briandavis6898]

​@@CancerousCosmicwhat does the Bible say? The fruit of the spirit.

[@briandavis6898]

Objective truth? Mormons know far more about history of the early church. They just see the corruption in it. No you don't know God though historical study

[@biggentallen]

​@briandavis6898 this is hardly an effective metric. To a mormon, good fruits will be whats familiar to them. To a catholic, protestant, baptist, etc.. it is just the same. There is no measurable value there. Not even subjectively

[@TheFurlock]

“But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed.” ‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3‬:‭10‬ This is the rock speaking of the church in its complete form that is LDS.

[@johnnyd2383]

Excuse me... but... wasn't the LDS founded back in 19th century by the man.? Lord Jesus Christ founded His Church - His glorious Bride... thus... Lord's Bride is 2000 years old. Lord promised His Bride to be pillar and ground of truth and that gates of Hades will not prevail over it... meaning... He promised perpetuity and preservation of His Bride in the history until His second coming. How does the man made 19th century LDS fit into the Biblical facts about the true Lord's Church.?

[@hayteren]

"The Mormons don't know history". Oh dear. The absolute irony. No my friend. We don't know your version of history. And to say atheists objectively agree the orthodoxy traces it's leadership perfectly to Christ is a lie. There's many disputations. I also find it strange to see anyone relying on an atheists verification on things they refuse to understand. I hope that is not a usual standard by which they use to find truth of orthodoxy will surely fall

[@budgetsquid0639]

Most of you don’t know that you’re all Arians in believing that Jesus isn’t uncreated and is just a first spirit child offspring of God, you all go a step further and deny the Father of His uncreated being and is simply just an exalted man from a planet called ‘kolob’.

[@michaelnicholas5587]

@@budgetsquid0639 We believe we are his literal spiritual offspring. He says so Himself. He wants us to become as He is. Is there something wrong with that?

[@selvinavila6783]

Haha, you are right. If only they knew the archeology of Mesoamerica! They have no idea!

[@Billy-ie3vw]

Most LDS people I grew up with believed that the Nicene council was about rewriting scripture and that the church died with the apostles even though we literally have writings from their direct disciples who believed in Orthodox doctrine.

[@michaelnicholas5587]

@@Billy-ie3vw Do we, I have never seen them nor heard them argued for. We do know from the scriptures that Christ said there would be a falling away; what do you suppose that means?

[@bakanaman2]

Unpopular opinion: being a Christian is more about the way you live than whether or not you have your theology 100% correct.

[@CancerousCosmic]

First comes faith in the One Triune God, the author of all creation, Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Three persons. One Essence. Co-eternal. without beginning or end.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

They are connected. Mormons are not Christ like. Coming from a guy in utah county

[@MWDPond]

I’m with you dude… all these people, drunk on boundaries… it’s weird to me.

[@CanditoTrainingHQ]

The difference between LSD and Orthodox/Catholic/Early Church theology isnt a matter of getting it 100% or 90% correct. They're two radically different viewpoints. You fundamnetally do not value early church authority if you're LDS, and the early church absolutely punished heresy. You can't have the Bible and hate the church or how it functioned. Also, our faith is defined by accepting the gift Christ gave us, NOT on how good of a person we are. You're tip toing on palaganism. Theology matters because it defines faith, and faith matters because it accepts grace. Become Catholic or Orthodox and accept church authority to relieve pressure off yourself.

[@TheGriff967]

If you are wrong about who Christ is, then it doesn’t matter how “good” you are. A moral pagan is still a pagan. It’s both true faith and moral living

[@Misa_Susaki]

I love all religions, but I very grateful for my faith and the LDS church. Christ's church. God bless!

[@sonofthunder-fb3cm]

I'm LDS but I was Orthodox first. It was orthodoxy which led me to become LDS. I have tremendous respect for the Orthodox Church. There's more similarities than differences in theology believe it or not. The idea of theosis or deification that the Orthodox have, we take that idea to it's logical conclusion, for example. I still have my icon corner in my house, I still venerate them. However, I am a grateful member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints. Our church is one of logic & order. God gave us our logical, rational minds for a reason. He would prefer honest questions over blind faith, i feel. I also feel this well meaning father is woefully ignorant of LDS theology lol misrepresenting us wildly

[@TheExtremeIRON]

@@sonofthunder-fb3cm Well logic would lead one to the conclusion that Mr. Smith was a fraud as that's where the evidence points

[@SamyagAjivaAjiva]

@@TheExtremeIRONthis isn’t invalid. But I believe the communal sense and emphasis on living a wholesome, familial life can be found in the underpinnings of the LDS. And this is coming from someone who’s held some wariness with the LDS.

[@TheExtremeIRON]

@SamyagAjivaAjiva You could say the same about a lot of faiths but that doesn't mean they are Christian or that they are actually leading people to salvation. I'm not going to criticize Mormons for living wholesome lives. But I will always criticize them for misleading people into a belief that Jesus is distinct from God and formed from a union between the Father and some godly woman and away from the saving faith that God incarnated as man and died for us to save us from our own sin.

[@brucedegler4301]

Wildly misrepresenting is right. My wife became a member of that parish almost 8 years ago. I had felt real respect for Father Justin before I watched this interview. I think I am able to better see a possible source for her increasing negativity towards The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, of which I am still and will remain a member. A religion that treats other faith traditions in such a manner is one towards, at the very least, I am cautiously suspicious.

[@V.X.4]

It’s super encouraging to see so many fellow former Mormons in the comments who are finding the truth of Orthodoxy ☦️🙏 Walking away from Mormonism isn’t an easy path, it’s filled with heartache and anxiety BUT coming Home is worth every moment of turmoil. God bless all of you!

[@DOA011970]

Is it obviously far too much to ask of a person to obey The Lord Jesus Christ and become a Born again Christian? Instead of being a Catholic, Mormon or an Orthodox church believer..

[@GldnClaw]

You were not mormon. If you were, tell me your temple name. You know the consequences of telling, but if you *really* don't believe, you'll have no trouble. Damn yourself properly by telling me.

[@2ndTimothyCh.2-24-2-w]

The fact is, there is zero truth in the Godless abomination of mormonism, and zero truth in the Godless abominations of orthodoxy/catholicism. You have all only gone from one deception and false manmade Godless religion right into another one. Repent, and learn what the truth of the Bible actually is.

[@benjamingregersen9777]

The only reason Latter-day Saints would join Orthodoxy after leaving their own faith is because Latter-day Saint doctrines have more in common with Eastern Orthodoxy than any other church that exists on earth today. The Eastern Orthodox religion truly has so very much in common with the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

[@seasonedwithsalt5129]

@@benjamingregersen9777 ,...And they are both 100% apostate from God and from the truth of the Bible. These people are all the accursed of God, all vessels of wrath made only to be destroyed.

[@tylerahlstrom4553]

As a Latter-day Saint, I feel that while he is knowledgeable about us, he doesn’t really know us. He gets something’s right, but a lot of things wrong. Saying things like we don’t really know the Bible and are doctrinally shallow, too focused on outward appearances, don’t understand holiness because we don’t use gold and incense in our chapels, rely too much on emotions, don’t believe Jesus is God, don’t know history, etc. This is pretty dismissive of us and offensive. Not to mention, just not true of the vast majority of members I know. If you are trying to win us over, it’s a strange way to do it - Insult us and put us down so you look better in comparison. I’m not sure that was your intent, but that is how it came across - like a back-handed compliment.

[@can_ye_feel_so_now]

We do believe Jesus is God, the Book of Mormon even says so, the early Christians where called saints, and no we don't believe just because we "feel" it's true, we are invited to "ponder" to think to study from the best books, among other things, this man does not represent us well, sorry but he needs to know more about our faith.

[@mommyoftrips]

Ponderize.

[@mommyoftrips]

Ponderize

[@can_ye_feel_so_now]

@@mommyoftrips We do that as well! Had to look up that word lol. We are encouraged to memorize scriptures. When I was in Seminary we had to memorize at least 100 verses from the Bible to the BoM and DnC. “ Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do.” -2 Nephi 32:22 We do value the scriptures.

[@tracyg5993]

I stumbled upon your channel and wow this really makes sense. I'm a born-again christian, closer to Southern Baptist Protestantism. I've been searching the faith deeper and found myself drawn to the truths in Catholicism; however your video opened up even more understandings that I am now on a mission to understand further. Thank you for your sharing your faith in this platform.

[@ladybugmom10]

I’m Mormon. I’m a Christian.

[@daretobeamormon]

The real question is: is orthodoxy christianity? None of the points he's making are biblical. Christ's christianity was Judaism under a fulfilled law. Orthodoxy is a melting pot of philosophies, political aims, and sects.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@kylemills8033]

😂😂😂😂 he litterally used scripture to foil the argument to follow one’s heart and and Jesus’ church IS the Catholic and Orthodox Church, historically and biblically, I hope you come to one of them and check it out, Christ be with you

[@daretobeamormon]

@@kylemills8033 re-read your comment. It literally lacks the contextual clarity to actually make any sense out of it - and I for sure don't think it's properly aimed at responding at what I said from what I can understand of it. I hope you read the actual history associated with the claims you appear to be making. What formed into the Catholic church had moved a very long way from what Jesus' church was. You may argue it has reformed and corrected historical errors. That's an argument worth making. However, the idea that there is a clear Church moving from the first century to the formation of the Catholic Church or from that time to now - that's a fully delusional effort at history.

[@briandavis6898]

​@@kylemills8033Did he? I must have missed that part. He certainly didn't speak of the fruits of the spirit or the stories or the conversations when they said "did not our hearts burn within us.'

[@ELCAPATAZ]

Why do representatives and members from other Christian denominations feel the need to make videos bashing The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints? What do you gain from telling lies and creating contention? You will never hear or see a representative from the LDS church be it a bishop, apostle, missionary, etc promoting discord amongst other faiths because we have different religious views and beliefs. Remember, contention is of the devil!

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@dmitrynikiforov1986]

Amen

[@Billy-ie3vw]

How is it bashing to tell the honest truth of our perspective? I have heard many LDS people speak of other religions in even harsher terms. I think he was very balanced

[@Fenderbender85]

​@Billy-ie3vw saying something calmly doesn't make it factual or fair . Everyone whos ever met a mormon and asked if there christain is going to say yes . And most importantly its not his choice to make that claim , most religions wont even argue this point because they all believe they are , its just one man making a claim out of nothing

[@hunterbrimhall1522]

@@Billy-ie3vwGranted, it is true that some members are very passionate about our beliefs and feel like they are under attack or try to prove the church to be true through these artificial means (bashing). I don’t think it is a good thing and is actually looked down upon in the church of Jesus Christ. I don’t think it is right for any faith nor ours to bash or try to discredit others, but debating about those topics in a respectful manner and with non-malicious intent are different things.

[@iulia1690]

I learned to wear best clothes on sunday the hard way. I went once with an older long dress, holding my child. All the old ladies started to give me money. Confused i go out of the church and stopped at the gate to gather my thoughts. That made it worst, a man crossed the street to give me some money. I made like 20 lei that day, wear my good clothes since then. Nice old ladies

[@Psalm91ArmorUp]

Great job Father Justin!!!

[@bradhudson6269]

The core doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the belief that Jesus is God. He got that wrong in the first minute.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@Foxes90]

Agreed.

[@helmuthnaumann8521]

Apostasy means closing the cannon and not accepting new public revelation from God. Apostacy means creating another God "Trinity" which no one author of the Bible explains it but must be gathered by several verses from different authors of the bible. No one author taught the trinity, clearly. It's a 4th century philosophy mingled with theology. Christians are good people and do have great things that made me want to learn more about Jesus and their convictions.

[@helmuthnaumann8521]

The jews were in apostacy because they rejected Jesus and the apostles and new revelation. The Creedist Christians are in apostacy as they also reject continuous revelation and closed the cannon (God's mouth), giving all authority to the Bible. Nowhere does it say that God will stop and ceased his public revelation. This is all man-made.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

The plurality of Gods is blasphemy

[@helmuthnaumann8521]

@Psuedo-Christian-Cult God the father, Jesus God, Holy Spirit is God. 1+1+1 does not equal 1. Read the scriptures without your exegesis. Read them with the understanding of the Israelites in 1000 BC. The Trinity is blasphemy. Rejecting prophets is blasphemy. Giving authority to the Bible (old documents) is blasphemy. Baptizing infants is blasphemy. We worship ONE God, God the Father. We don't pray to saints and Mary. That's all blasphemy.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

@ the Bible is clear about how many Gods we worship In Christianity 😂. 1 x 1 x 1 = 1. 1 / 1 / 1 = 1. In any case this doesn’t apply to infinite beings. ♾️ + ♾️ + ♾️ = ♾️ Or infinity plus infinity plus infinity = infinity. Not “3 infinities”

[@HowdyHowdens]

As a former Mormon, I believe what you said, they make the best orthodox and Catholic Christians.

[@hayteren]

Anyone honestly wanting to learn about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should be very wary of anyone talking about "Mormons" or "LDS". The name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Talking about any organization means addressing it properly. People who casually address organizations without respect aren't people to learn from any that organization.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@RangaRussian]

Was in the Mormon church when I was a teenager. Personally, this particular church I went to had a huge focus on Joseph Smith. They viewed him as higher than God. They hardly ever spoke of Jesus or read from the Bible. Though not every Mormon church is like this I’d like to think, it was why I left. I’m proud Orthodox now and got baptised last month ☺️✝️ Christ is King.

[@daphnepearce9411]

Glory to God!

[@DOA011970]

And now to the next step: to step away from the Orthodox Church and finally do what The Lord Jesus Christ has commanded us to become and to be: Born-again Christians.

[@RangaRussian]

@@DOA011970 I was raised in a “born again Christian” church for 15 years. Even going to a Pentecostal school for a majority of my education. Nothing wrong with it, but personally, orthodoxy is a far better fit for me.

[@lindabati5625]

Glory to God!❤

[@davidfrey5654]

Obviously, you didn't listen in your Sunday School lessons when you attended the Church of Jesus Christ.

[@MongoBongo271]

Christianity has existed since Jesus the theology of the Trinity has only existed since the 4th century. The church of Jesus Christ derives it's doctrine from the word of God given to prophets and ancient scriptures we are the purest form of christian

[@danielnatzke6733]

This is like saying oxygen didn't exist until the term *oxygen* was invented for it in 1774. Think more carefully about how concepts do not need a name in order to exist. The Bible shows us a trinity when many verses are all triangulated and pieced together logically.

[@jonoc3729]

Saying that the trinity has only existed since the 4th century shows your complete lack of knowledge on the topic.

[@MongoBongo271]

@@jonoc3729 the first evidence we have for people believing in a Trinity appears in the mid third century and it became widely accepted in the 4th to my knowledge. But what really matters is that Jesus nor the apostles or any of the prophets ever spoke of the Trinity or said Jesus was or would be good.

[@MongoBongo271]

@@danielnatzke6733 well I don't believe the Trinity exists in general. But to address your point no it's not at all like that, even if the Trinity is biblically accurate people didn't begin to notice it or base a theology around it until centuries after Christianity had already been around.

[@stefanalbu9227]

The lamb and the lion will graze together. May God help us

[@pajabesa2492]

My father was studying to be a Catholic priest in South America when he converted the Church of JesusChristofLatter-day Saints. He still respects other faith traditons and tried to teach that to our family. But wow, the level of hubris and lack of empathy is amazing here. Thanks for pointing out the mote in our eye. Sadly it seems you have interacted with some of our 18 and 19 year old missionaries and you seem to think that they are our theological scripturians. They are not. They are full time volunteers trying to preach of Christ and invite people to repent. There is so much depth and beauty that you are missing, especially in our temple worship. I encourage you to seek out more about our faith tradition. Maybe from our professors of acient scripture at BYU, sense you seem to have some connect there. Also, Utah "Mormon" culture is not "The Church". I am not from Utah and I can see where some might miss understand and take issue, but don't think that that is all of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has to offer. There is so much more. Oh and I believe Christ is God, just ad Thomas testified in John 20:28

[@globalmilitarycollections4591]

I like how you talk about the “feeling” part about Protestants. I’ve been watching a lot of orthodox videos and I don’t detect any propaganda in it. But the Protestant and even the Roman Catholics always seem to say things that are trying to pull on the heart strings or manipulate/convince you of their truth. But the Orthodox Bishops I watch just tell it how it is.

[@Bucephalus84]

There is a sort of romance between Christ and his people. Those heart strings are pulled at to call you home.

[@lionheart5078]

its both. You dont want to base your faith on pure feelings but obviously God works through them as well. Some modern Orthodox sort of speak about it in a patronising way as if they are above emotions etc. This priest, no disrespect, is a little dismisive to me. On the road to Emmaus they said "were not our hearts burning" as Jesus was speaking. So yes your emotions can play a role but you have to be able to discern spirits and emotions etc. This is the catholic perspective and probably also the orthodox perspective in reality.

[@globalmilitarycollections4591]

@@lionheart5078 hopefully I’ll push through and go to Masse this Sunday.

[@Orthodoxy8078]

@globalmilitarycollections4591- that's because real faith isn't based on emotions nor do the Orthodox go door knocking to try to convince people.

[@lionheart5078]

@ Orthodox are all about beauty and music which affects the emotions, let’s not at all patronising like emotions mean nothing for the orthodox

[@djenntt]

Yes, we are Christian.

[@Petunia_Rosa]

I attended an LDS service once and couldn’t spot a single cross.

[@michaelnicholas5587]

It is not that we (LDS) do not recognize the cross as a symbol of Christ's sacrifice; we simply concentrate more on His resurrection and the giving of immortality and Eternal Life. We understand that without what Christ did on the cross, that no one would be saved, but it is just one component of the most glorious plan ever.

[@benzun9600]

whats your point? I attended Orthodoxy and could not find Jesus there

[@hmlinder]

@@Petunia_Rosa are crosses sacred or to be worshipped?

[@ajus5050]

He is not here, for He is risen!

[@Petunia_Rosa]

@@benzun9600 False.

[@hayteren]

11:00 he's just talking nonsense.

[@qsam14]

I discovered Orthodoxy a couple of years ago. I had visited a Non-denominational and an Episcopal. There was a 'feeling" in the latter but I disagree with their leftist reform. I had spoken to JW and Mormons.. they know the Bible but they're indoctrinated to their churches interpretation of the Bible. I had an "f it" moment and read all the way back in history. I am Muslim but if I had to convert .. I would be an Orthodox Christian. I have visited the Church and it is definitely more than just a feeling.. there is a strong sense of community and wholeness that I could not find in other churches.

[@briancrismonpetersen7885]

All this time, taking His name upon me, taking the Sacrament, always remembering Him, calling Him God, praying to the Father in His name, making covenants, not to qualify based on your definition of Orthodoxy and traditions and creeds. I’ll take it. Without being offended or sense of loss, knowing what it feels to have Him in my life

[@kylehansen639]

No. You minimalizing what you actually believe in order to try and overlap beliefs that aren't there is absurd. Typical mormon. Mormons invented a completely different Jesus, redefine Biblical terminology, and preach a 19th century invented gospel. Mormons are who Paul would of been referring to about "another gospel" which you bring. Also, a pantheon of polygamous Gods that you believe exist. Just because there are SOME overlapping characteristics doesn't not mean you believe in the same Jesus. Every heretic claims to believe in Jesus. Therefore so what? Are your teaching consistent with historic Christianity, if not then why you even trying? Mormons are NOT Christians. Both are making DIFFERENT absolute truth claims about reality. Only one can be right. BASIC reasoning skills there (Law of non contradiction) Your own sloboi prophets of your past said the same things I am saying. Modern Mormons like you just keep inventing a newer, less weird version of Mormonism every few decades. It is adorable. "All this time" you were worshipping the figments of Joseph Smiths mind. Your elder brother is still laying dead in the tomb. Repent. You are heretic.

[@ZeusAndKiller]

We worship God and Christ. We don't worship Mary, we don't pray to a cross or any idol. God and Christ are Father and Son, therefore two separate beings

[@helmuthnaumann8521]

You were wrong on saying the Book of Mormon is more authoritative than the scriptures. The only authority we give is to God, Jesus, and the prophets as they did in the Old Testament and new Testament times.

[@issaavedra]

When I converted to Christianity from atheism and was trying to discern which was the Church established by Christ, I didn't even consider any protestant denomination or mormonism. If the Church fell into apostasy after the Apostles, and there was no depositary of the faith for more than 1500-1800 years, then Christ's promises were empty and Christianity is false as a whole.

[@VAATAUSILI4139]

2 reason why, some left THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST, either rebel, lack knowledge, or both.

[@valoredramack9117]

I am a Protestant Christian, but I have had discussions with LDS members. My understanding is that LDS People believe that Lord Jesus Christ is not GOD in the flesh, but instead they believe that Jesus is the "spirit brother" of Lucifer. LDS People also believe in "exaltation" or "eternal progression"; they imply that human beings can eventually achieve "Godhood" in heaven and that God did not just create mankind in His image but that God was also once a man who become became "exalted". LDS members seem to imply that men, angels, and God are essentially the same species, which is NOT what traditional Christians believe. As a Protestant Christian, I do not believe that Lucifer and Lord Jesus Christ are *"spirit brothers."* I believe that Lord Jesus Christ IS God in the flesh, which is part of the deity of Christ...meaning that Jesus is eternal, omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and immutable. Jesus is worshipped as God because the *Father, the Son, and Holy Spirit are all the SAME God.*

[@michaelnicholas5587]

Your answer has more spin on it than a high-speed blender. I think you severely misunderstood LDS people if you think that we do not believe that Jesus is God in the flesh. First off, does Jesus have a spirit and a body? Of course he does. Does Jesus have a Father? Does Lucifer have a Father? If so, then Jesus and Lucifer are spiritual brothers. What do you think we are doing here? Why would God send us here to go through all sorts of trials and refining fires if he didn't want us to become like him? If God the Father is only spirit, then what is the purpose of the Holy Ghost? Why couldn't the Father just take care of all of the spiritual stuff? It makes no sense.

[@BornAgainBuilders]

@@michaelnicholas5587 satan was an angel, Jesus was never one, He is the Son of God.

[@michaelnicholas5587]

@@BornAgainBuilders What are angels? Are they not spirits? Jesus has a spirit, as do we. We are all spirits. Our Father in Heaven is the father of spirits (Hebrews 12:9). Angels are just spirits awaiting their opportunity to be sent here to obtain bodies. What do you think happened in the War in Heaven? If I remember the scenario correctly, Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels outright rebelled against God and were cast down to the Earth. One thing that is significant is that being cast down to the Earth as spirits, they are no longer eligible to obtain bodies. Why is that important? Perhaps the story of the devils entering into the swine (Matthew 8, Mark 5, Luke 8) might shed some light. So great was the devils desire to gain a body that they were willing to be allowed into pigs to have one.

[@spiderb3367]

Thank you Father. I always invite the LDS missionaries in to talk. One really must study their theology to be able to communicate with them

[@Tony_Lewis]

Thank you !!!!

[@jonboatwright7777]

May all come and experience the healing of Christ in the Orthodox church.

[@hayteren]

But there is more when you can experience it though Christ himself

[@dmitrynikiforov1986]

😂

[@maximusk545]

I agree with you Father☦️🙏🏻 Mormons are not Christians. In fact anti. Orthodox Christianity is the One Church handed down to all of us by Our LORD JESUS CHRIST through apostles and apostolic succession. I am Orthodox Christian 🙏🏻

[@michaelnicholas5587]

Weren't ALL of the apostles of the original church martyred? How could there be apostolic succession without any of the original apostles to hand it down? How did you guys come up with the Trinity that was NEVER mentioned in the scriptures? Wasn't it through a council of MEN several hundred years after the last apostle was martyred? Don't you guys pray to other people besides Jesus Christ? Sorry, not buying it.

[@Billy-ie3vw]

@@michaelnicholas5587 St. John the apostle who wrote the book of Revelation was never martyred. The apostles appointed successors before they were martyred. Fr. Justin's jurisdiction is the Antiochan archdiocese which was founded by the apostle Peter and is mentioned in the BIble (Acts 11:26 and Acts 11:19-26). The doctrine of the Trinity is found in the scripture and through holy tradition (2 Thessalonians 2:15). The word Trinity doesn't have to be in scripture for the doctrine to be taught there.

[@michaelnicholas5587]

@@Billy-ie3vw Why then was it necessary to have a council of men to determine the essence of God? The doctrine of the Trinity is destroyed in John 17 with the intercessory prayer. Here is the original wording from the King James Version of the Bible, John 17:21-26: 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me. 24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. This is how that same prayer would sound from a Trinitarian viewpoint: 21 That they all may be one; as I,I, art in me, and I in I that they also may be one in I: that the world may believe that I hast sent me. 22 And the glory which I gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as I are one: 23 I in them, and I in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that I hast sent me, and hast loved them, as I hast loved me. 24 I, I will that they also, whom I hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which I hast given me: for I lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25 O righteous I, the world hath not known I: but I have known I, and these have known that I hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them my name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith I hast loved me may be in them, and I in them. Am I confusing anything here? Does Jesus have a Father? He says that His Father is greater than He. He also says that His God is our God? Do they sound like the same being or whatever you think they are?

[@Billy-ie3vw]

@@michaelnicholas5587Micheal you obviously have no idea what Trinitarian or Orthodox Christians believe on this point. I too was taught a wrong view of the Trinity when I was Mormon. I invite you to learn more about what Orthodox Christians believe in. kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXndYYWmd9F8fc0si=dpUeyNQ04-_H7Qcz

[@michaelnicholas5587]

@@Billy-ie3vw Perhaps I am ignorant, certainly confused. What is the Trinity? How does it work?

[@brotherofiam]

The Spirit bears witness of truth; Doesn't matter if the truth is outside mormon theology, or in a movie like "The Lion King". in Luke 24 as the two disciples walking to Emmaus and joined by the resurrected Jesus. verse 32 They asked each other, “Were not our hearts burning within us while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?”

[@henriettanovember4733]

May I ask what is the relaation between Orthodox and Catholic?

[@lindabati5625]

@@henriettanovember4733 catholic church and Orthodox are sister churches but they split up.Sill have same main beliefs but lots of differences also and Orthodox we still honor and venerate the Icons.

[@jeffkardosjr.3825]

​@@lindabati5625There's icons in Roman Catholicism. Two Roman churches I used to go to had them.

[@saguaro23]

This is so utterly laced with inaccuracies and flat out misrepresentation. I don’t even know where to begin. You’re encouraging me to make my own KZbin channel just to respond to this one video because I would have a hay day picking it apart starting at about three seconds into you speaking.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

Some major issues with Mormonism actually come from metaphysics. Conservation of energy just says that the universe has the same amount of energy as it always had - if it’s a contained system. Has nothing to do with Christian theology. You guys think God cannot create or destroy matter nor intelligences. You teach God “became God”.. which is blasphemy. God is eternal. No beginning. Did not “become God”. He was always The Most High. God is not “contingent” (look up “contingency argument”). You teach God must rely on a female spirit to make other spirits. God is complete in Himself and can make all things without relying on others. Who made her spirit ? “Mysteries to be revealed in the millennium”? These are abominations. You teach Jewish men sailed to America and a portion were cursed with dark skin. Your prophets taught it over and over and faithful (gullible) members believed them. Prophets taught God cursed African men !! Prophets taught that Jesus Christ literally spoke D&C 132 and cursed emma and any Virgin that resisted Joseph’s abominations. You should seek the True face of God. Not these false prophets

[@amurry1030]

Par for the course though. There is an unbelievable amount of ignorance and misunderstanding regarding what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints actually teaches in doctrine.

[@Psuedo-Christian-Cult]

@ especially by members who defend it online

[@saguaro23]

@Psuedo-Christian-Cult It’s because of the fog created around by non-Latter-day Saints who are simply going with the hate flow, like sheep taught to accuse and malign, like unawake cultural participants who do it and accept it because everyone else does. There is such a thing as a culture of anti-Mormonism. Culture silently permeates perception and skirts the reason of those who simply accept it hook line and sinker. This guy and many like him have simply become mouthpieces of a culture of anti-Mormonism and the spirit that perpetuates it.

[@saguaro23]

@No comparison at all. Members defend the faith quite well… but the spiritually blinded can’t see.

[@rdrzalexa]

This orthodox priest has never sincerely read an LDS text. We certainly believe that Christ is God . Cmon man

[@stephen562]

The Book of Mormon teaches Christ is the very Eternal Father.

[@MarkHigbee]

Are Christians who believe in a doctrine that renders half the Bible nonsensical, Christians? Yes, the trinity doctrine is completely nonsensical. The difference between Mormons and other Christians is Mormons believe the Bible while the others do not. How many did Stephen see when he looked into heaven and saw Jesus standing on the right hand of God? One or two? If you say one, you don't believe the Bible. See Acts 7:54-55

[@firewerk66]

This is why I love Orthodoxy...so deep and real.

[@hayteren]

If you love it for that reason, you'll fall more deeply in love with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints because it is led by the Savior himself

[@The_Man_Chidi]

Nice insights shared here. As a latter day saint, I find your statement that we hold the book of Mormon as more authoritative than the Bible as a misconception. In truth, the Bible and Book of Mormon are scriptures and we use them equally. I love the book of Mormon more but that's my personal preference. Because I find holiness in the Book of Mormon more than any other book of Scripture.