An Orthodox Perspective on Roman Catholicism

Talk given by Archpriest Father Josiah Trenham at Saint Barnabas Orthodox Church in Costa Mesa California. Father Josiah delivers an Orthodox perspective on the Roman Catholic Church.

[@Peter-en6bc]

This talk was given back in 2016, here we are 8 years later and droves of Roman Catholics, including myself, have become and are becoming Orthodox. Thanks be to God

[@glorytofathersonandholyspirit]

My goodness, was 2016 really 8 years ago?!

[@KillerofGods]

I'm torn on switching over to catholicism or orthodoxy. I like both of my local parishes and see value in both.

[@clouds-rb9xt]

@@KillerofGods I'm neither, but, remember, it's not about what you like, it's about God

[@sebastianbolt7886]

Catholic ❤️🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

[@bweatherman3345]

​@Sebastian Bolt, beautiful comment. Until death I pray to God

[@grailcountry]

Start building more Churches. I would have become Orthodox 25 years ago if there was an Orthodox Church anywhere near me.

[@robo-]

that and let people know that the OC actually exists! i would bet real money that most people in the west don't know that there's anything else in Christianity except for RC and protestantism.

[@kenobi4582]

@@robo- I agree. I hadn’t even heard of orthodoxy until 2 years ago

[@caroldonaldson5936]

Totally agree - it's almost non-existent in UK. I resonate with so much of the 0C teaching but have nowhere to go with that!

[@danktankdragkings7117]

I certainly didn't know about the Orthodox Church until I had been lost and wandering churchless for 6 years.

[@chiagookonta3239]

So true.

[@mrmiz4372]

As a Catholic, I have to say that Fr. Trenham's comment on Francis is spot on for a lot of Catholics as well....

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

The papal office is first among equals for the Orthodox also.😂

[@jumpinkim]

@@wolfthequarrelsome504not anymore, not after 1054

[@malibudolphin3109]

@@jumpinkim Rome demanded what it never had, broke away from The Church and falsely claims authority and rejects what has been handed down.

[@Mickycho1964]

@@ourospost The catholic church evangelizes to the ones that God the Father calls them to His Son. No need to worry or be preoccupied about it.

[@debelae]

I was converted from from Protestant to Orthodox. Let me tell you My dear Sisters and Brothers in Christ, I am in so much peace and lots of blessings. I wish this to all you 🙏🏾

[@orthoglobus]

Glory to God!

[@firefromfire4429]

What is with that satanic picture as your profile? you are not orthodox you fucking communist fuck off.

[@debelae]

Fire fromfire visit Ocacaw on fb

[@Eagle1349]

God bless you!

[@kisha4256]

@@firefromfire4429 u aren’t supposed to be saying this as a Christian

[@revelation2-9]

This was the video that got me on the path to becoming Orthodox. I am now at peace as an Orthodox Christian as of October 2020.

[@user-ll7yr8iu3w]

Love from Serbia brother

[@revelation2-9]

@@user-ll7yr8iu3w Love from America

[@tabiripetrovich517]

Was it hard to convert? What was your experience

[@revelation2-9]

@@tabiripetrovich517 I ran into information in college as a history major that made me think "the Orthodox monarchies aren't really discussed as often as the Western monarchies, let me check them out." I also found Orthodox chants on KZbin which made me fall in love with Russian and Greek chants while also making me curious about why the Orthodox were also claiming the title of One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Eventually I found this video on my way home from college one day and it made me think to myself "alright I want to at least check out an Orthodox Church now". I had been looking at Orthodoxy for over a year before I went to my first OCA divine liturgy and after walking in and experiencing it: I knew that I had found the reason for being alive. I was home.

[@danspam]

@@revelation2-9 thank you for sharing. I'm a young roman catholic that has been looking at Orthodoxy for about a year now and this video took my breath away. I'm very interested in attending a divine liturgy to say the least!

[@lakaja6565]

I love how the orthodox church addresses issues that protestants wont even touch.

[@mariusfilip1847]

Fr. Josiah handled Protestantism in another book/video

[@RockSmithStudio]

@@mariusfilip1847 fr. Jospeh used to be a Protestant. Presbyterian if I’m not mistaken.

[@praisegod3768]

That's not fair. MANY protestant leaders have taken difficult and unpopular public stands and teaching on such things. Let us unite in those things that connect us -- including speaking the truth.

[@pdstor]

Fr Josiah has taken care of issues internal to Christianity; Fr. Damick has taken care of external heresies. It's almost finished - I'd like to see a Priest take on atheism. I could, since I was a antitheist for fifteen years - once published on a blog at that - and gave it up for Eastern Orthodoxy, but I'm just a layman, not equipped to teach from an Orthodox perspective.

[@jessicadavid6492]

@@pdstor Jay Dyer is a layman, though he often talks to a certain deacon and has talked some with other clergy. His channel is great; he's done debates with various people. He often argues from a metaphysical approach, and has some good stuff against atheism.

[@jeremyschwab6088]

I first came to Christ as a young adult and embraced the Catholic faith. At the time, I was 19 and knew very little about the Orthodox, but everything I heard from Catholics was positive. I have learned a little more here and there. I have tremendous love and respect for the Orthodox. I discovered this video tonight and am eager to learn more.

[@evem620]

We are interested to hear more about your journey😊

[@radscorpion8]

What about Zeus or Thor did you ever look into believing them or do you consider those to be bronze age myths? Do you agree that Zeus is just ancient superstitious nonsense? Why not God?

[@rodionraskolnikov3853]

@@radscorpion8 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_theism?wprov=sfti1

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

I am eager to learn more as well, but I’ve attended mass and I have family that are Catholic and Baptist. I didn’t know that I wasn’t supposed to take the Eucharist if I was not a credo Catholic or gone through all of the classes to become a Catholic but they only do that at Easter.. if I’ve been attending mass since I was a child on and off but regularly and knew about the Catholic Church, apocrypha than Why not that attend all of these classes for a year or more just to become an official Catholic? If someone doesn’t know anything at all about Catholicism, I understand, but not for someone like myself. I started attending classes at the one pair is here that does offer them and I started in January and it would’ve taken me until the next year at Easter, or 16 months, in order to be a legitimate Catholic! Additionally, I would’ve had to go off on some month or six Long camping retreat and that wasn’t possible because I had children that were still in school and I was a single mom. Here in Virginia, where I live, our lady of the Nazarene is almost trying to keep people from coming Catholics, but then Saint Andrews is completely different but they don’t offer the classes. sad!!

[@montrelouisebohon-harris7023]

@@radscorpion8 that’s funny, but Zeus is mythology & Thor is a great movie’

[@robertemerson1087]

As someone born in orthodoxy it’s nice seeing more people noticing it.

[@mariac4602]

I think what is lifting my heart as a Catholic watching this, is the tremendous Charity flowing from faithful Catholics who are commenting. It is the love of Jesus Christ Himself, gently reaching out in love, correcting where needed, but always with hand extended in brotherly, and sisterly, love. We continue to pray “that all may be one”

[@LadyMaria]

Charity? There is hardly any. One keeps spamming too.

[@StacieHaneline]

That's wonderful! Perhaps you will attend an Orthodox Church.

[@OrthodoxHSMother]

This is one of the videos I watched when I was a catechumen. We left The Catholic Church and are now Orthodox. Glory to God ☦

[@LuisRamirez-vv4dk]

Sorry to hear that.

[@catholicdad]

@HolyHammerOfByzantium Nice. The lack of Christian charity displayed toward Catholics by the Orthodox belies their calm and lukewarm attitude toward the Muslims. Amazingly arrogant.

[@catholicdad]

It would appear YOU don't have the answer my friend. Italy: 75% Catholic, Muslims nominal Turkey: 1% Orthodox, 99% Muslim Couple more points then I'm out. You set the tone here. Orthodox always lash out (Muslim inculturation?) rather than work together. Consider that. I'd add stubbornness & an almost complete lack of pragmatism as faults. Also, odd the Orthodox see the Reformation as a consequence of the Schism. Man made. The spread of Islam was dealt with in the West. You guys got in bed with the Muslims, letting millions of Christians die, starve, & convert. Your low numbers of faithful a curse from God for sleeping with the enemy? Correct your attitude brother. You (as a Church) failed our Lord & His mission.

[@catholicdad]

@HolyHammerOfByzantium You keep believing that buddy 👍 Your primus is in Constantinople, right?? That's in Turkey, right?

[@catholicdad]

@HolyHammerOfByzantium Hey! We agree! Jesus Christ is #1! But He left a representative on earth as head, with other Apostles/Bishops/Metropolitans/Patriarchs. Y'ever think Rome's screwing up so bad to let y'all "catch up?" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Seriously, the Muslim thing though . . .

[@joecappello6043]

I'm a Latin traditional Catholic and I love our orthodox brethren. Amen

[@joecappello6043]

One point, as a traditional Catholic, I believe V2 was a mistake and our pope who I'm praying for has done heresy.

[@David-we3sb]

@@joecappello6043 why the need to apologize for our faith? What heresy has the Pope "done"? I am sure you are incorrect.

[@johnsullivan4049]

​@@joecappello6043Catholicism needs to be restored to it's former glory. I respect Orthodoxy and will be praying for the return of traditionalism in the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church has been sadly infiltrated by Free Masons and Communists.

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

Is that a separate rite within the church? I never heard of them before.

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

​@@joecappello6043I'm absolutely sure that you cannot criticize the pope in his teaching and that you have committed material heresy which is an excommunicate wrong.

[@kristinpotoski9221]

My husband and I are being catechized right now. We've never been happier or more full of peace and true joy. We were both raised evangelical, but separately had been seeking deeper truth for many years.

[@dieselcowboy777]

You don't find deeper truths in false interpretations of the word.... They teach you that the apostles received all truth and all prophecy 2000 years ago which is a lie.... The apostles said they only know in part and prophecy in part.....that's because they didn't receive all truths yet and they didn't receive all prophecy either.... They are adding their false interpretations to scripture and making you delete the 2nd half of the ministry of the holy ghost which came during the mass Pentecostal revivals of the 1940s and 50s and 60s.... That's when the church received all truths and all prophecy....not 2000 years ago

[@johnsix.51-69]

@dieselcowboy777 LOL that is the funniest thing I have ever heard from a protestant. You are saying Jesus lied in John 16:13 "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." You're also saying that Pentecost was a lie when the church received the Spirit in Acts 2: 4 "All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues a as the Spirit enabled them." You're also saying Paul is a liar when he said that Jesus would take care of his church in Ephesians 5: "After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church" You're also calling Jesus a liar in Matthew 28: and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. AND SURELY I AM WITH YOU ALWAYS, TO THE VERY END OF THE AGE.” I'd rather believe God than you. You fell for your pastor's lies and that's okay because you didn't know any better, but now I have shown you the truth.

[@johnsix.51-69]

@dieselcowboy777 I have another question for you since you mention scripture and history. Who told you the books in your bible are the inspired word of God? Who gave you the canon? Which version of the bible did Christians read before the 400s? You might want to look up the councils of Rome, Hippo and Carthage. Protestant pastors hate history and hate the truth because it proves them wrong.

[@kristinpotoski9221]

@@johnsix.51-69 - the fact that Catholicism removed 7 books from the original Canon (the Canon which the Orthodox Church compiled,) and then, following the Reformation, protestants removed ANOTHER seven books, is worth noting. To those who cling to the heresy of Sola Sciptura, I gently inquire - "Which scripture, precisely, are you referring to? The original cannon, known by the entire first millenia of Christiandom? Or the dissected one which only the protestants claim to be correct?" Also, the KJV Bible is based on the Masoretic Text- which wasn't completed until the eleventh century! The Orthodox cannon, in contrast, is translated from the Septuagint - which was written 250 years prior to our Messiah. The Jews had no ability/need to alter the Christology of OT scripture during the Septuagint translation. So we can be sure of its validity and chronology, far more than scripture based on later translations.

[@johnadam9762]

It is always great to come back home.

[@user-dw8rv9mi3l]

Came from freemasonry to messianic judaism now in the holy Orthodox church as a catechumen its like every viel is slowly falling off my eyes Blessings to anyone who has fed me spiritually ☦️🖤

[@joannajones8533]

Just LOVE how Cleary father Josiah explains everything! Thank You SO Much!!

[@rabtroozirs54]

I'm born Catholic and love my Orthodox brothers and sisters, if I was born Orthodox I would love my Catholic brothers and sisters. Pray for Unity.

[@brotherbrovet1881]

When you love someone, you want them to know the Truth.

[@starcityoldy]

Unity with heretics? #pachamama

[@afvasque]

@@starcityoldy Brother, you talk like everyone is drinking of some sort of koolaid... It is the mission of The Church, and it's layity, as a whole to check and balance these types of heresy. Remember, it was also the work of Catholic brethren to take those and throw that stuff in the river. If we arent militant for our church, we fail. I pray that someday, as the Lord desires, for you and I to eat at the same table someday.

[@starcityoldy]

afvasque brother, I’m not against ecumenism, BUT every Christian must follow the first millennium Church teachings (Orthodox teachings) there is no compromise. It’s not only pachamama the list is HUGE.

[@sinfulyetsaved]

Roman's need look at the state their church is in an realize maybe somewhere along they line they have strayed for orthodoxy. Truth and love are inseparable. You can't have one without the other or all you have is reletivism.

[@thomasdonohue1833]

I pray the church can heal it's wounds and become one again.

[@blathermore]

Yes, for the sake of the poor people who cannot afford all this shopping around....such a luxury...like flying the globe chasing Marian Apparitions or driving miles and miles for a church service in a nice car with a tank of gas. None of these speakers ever talk about what a luxury it all is.

[@bratwurstkinsman6740]

May Christ and His Most Blessed Mother please bless all of His followers and may we find reunification soon; the Catholics of the world must unite in order to survive the Freemason Cabal that threatens to destroy us all. I hope to continue to have faith in God and His people. Amen.

[@eldermillennial8330]

Deus Vult Mox Cultural Western Christians all need to discover Julian Joseph Overbeck, the forgotten Tractarian. His coming late to the debate due to being quite younger than Newman and his Protestant rivals has had him unjustly overshadowed by them. His work, taken up by Saint Tikhon, has been further overshadowed by the evil distractions of Communism, which left the Overbeck/Tikhon project incomplete until 1958, when Blessed Antioch finished it. Here we are, the Western Rite as Overbeck Dreamed, growing slowly but steadily! Praise God!

[@PracticalBibleStudies]

There's still only one church. Just different organizations within it.

[@blackbaron4774]

Church never became divided. Heresies stepped from it before, but that doesn't mean that Church was divided by those actions. What catholics should do is to repent and return to Orthodoxy.

[@joachimjustinmorgan4851]

On being baptized by our name (09:15), My birth name is Justin, and I was told that I could use that when I was baptized, but my wife and I both had come to the names Joachim and Anna Separately and it seemed like such an incredible irony that I gladly was baptized as Joachim and love these precious saints. But since converting and reading the writings of St. Justin Martyer and other Orthodox Justin's like Fr. Justin Popovich I have discovered a whole new love for my birth name as well.

[@diananoonen2262]

Always in God's love, everything is possible. My husband of 30 years, was a Richmond California Catholic when he met me the first thing we did, before even dating, he attended liturgy with me. After liturgy, I unsuredly asked him, what did he think? He said, quietly "I'm home". My heart, my soul, my God, spoke to me in that moment and showed me the path and plan God had for me. Unknowingly to me at the time, my husband as well. He was seeking and found his way in a Virginia GOC Orthodox church in Norfolk Va.

[@ottomanosman2463]

I'm atheist from a Muslim family but I found Orthodox strongly connect with me more than Catholic did.

[@Felipe-kv8qd]

I wish you the best of blessings with Christianity, I hope you follow the faith, whether you end up following Catholicism, Protestantism or Orthodoxy.

[@velmajacobs933]

I am converting to the Orthodox Church. I have been a life long Roman Catholic, but I can no longer attend Mass. Thank you for these teachings.

[@orthoglobus]

Glory to God!

[@georgesk2506]

Welcome Home

[@evans3922]

Praise the Lord

[@thorvilkwilliams9596]

Catholic church is also the true church. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

[@angelolattanzio2629]

Dear sister do not do Just study the Life of saints in Roman catholic church pray the Holy Spirit for light in your doubts orthodox are still our Brothers but they still persist in errors our lord grave Saint Peter the KEYS of Heaven thats It i Hope One day our Brothers Will understand the mistakes they do i Hope the best for you sia lodato Gesù Cristo sempre sia lodato

[@senaitmichael]

Iam an Orthodox but never really understood it this way, Thank you so much God bless your work

[@b-ratedideas8560]

I am protestant and i fing this helpful too.

[@MD9790]

Two weeks after the second Congress of Peoples Deputies a Catholic nun called to us asking us to pray for the conversion of Russia. I told her about Gorbachev .... and the revival of Orthodoxy. When she understood that this was identical to Greek Orthodoxy... She wept tears of joy.

[@edwardhall2067]

Tha first time I watched this presentation, I had been through the Roman Catholic RCIA program, as a result of one of my two living sons leaving Protestantism and converting to Roman Catholic. After months of conversation with my other Protestant son, he called to ask me if I had heard of Eastern Orthodoxy. Thank you Father Josiah, for your Rock and Sand presentations and book coupled with Abbot Tryphon’s reflections gave me an excellent introduction to Holy Orthodoxy. I became a catechumen and was baptized into the Church at Three Holy Hierarchs Orthodox Christian Church in Wenatchee! Glory to God! My youngest son and his wife and children were baptized into the Church three weeks later in Pharrell, Texas! Glory to God in all things!

[@carmelitagood3392]

I was raised Catholic. I got to see the drastic changes in the Catholic Church in the 1960s. Needless to say, I was very disillusioned and dropped out. Just recently I am listening to Eastern Orthodox videos and bought a few books, including the Eastern Orthodox Bible and Eastern Orthodox prayer book. I am very enthusiastic about attending an EO church but there isn’t one anywhere near me within 200 miles since I live in the boondocks of New Mexico. But I will keep reading, listening to the EO Church videos and reading the Bible in its entirety to become familiar with Orthodoxy.

[@terrancehawkins1595]

Teachings of the Catholic Church never changed, the implementation of certain VAtican II documents as the Liturgical documents was a farce and we are still suffering the reprecussions.

[@terrancehawkins1595]

@@newlin83 That is a heretical movement. What bishops and what priest? It is no wonder non catholics have distorted view of the Catholic Church. Vatican II is not modernism, get wise and educate yourself about the Roman CAtholic Church, not all of this nonsence.

[@markschmitz5038]

@@newlin83 I respect the sedevacantist movement. Many of th3m are better Christians than I and I can learn from them, but at the same time it is hard if not impossible to reconcile the dogmas of the papacy with such an approach. Being a Roman Catholic who doesnt recognize the Pope is akin to being a meat eating vegan. The problems go back a lot further than the 1960s. It goes back to the advent of natural theology where doctrine is established by the novelties of theologians and their clever arguments. That is why the Pope can turn his back on the faith, what allows him to do so. If not for Eastern Orthodoxy I'd still be an atheist. It is the only form of Christianity that has stayed true to the teachings of Christ and therefore the only Church that can withstand secular modern thought.

[@dieselcowboy777]

They are both married to satan....any church united with the state is of satan.... That includes the anglican church of satan in England... All denominations are of satan also because the new testament doesn't have a hierarchical priesthood and that is an error that all denominations make....they all essentially create a hierarchical priesthood claiming they need a formal and methodical way to keep order hogwash.... God didn't put any man over another man....the only man over another man is the Lord Jesus Christ

[@Laura-om8gz]

Don't be sad, just keep praying and God will give you a way for you to become an orthodox christian. He can make all things possible, just believe!

[@Veronica-di4cj]

Thank God for you Fr Josiah.

[@willtheperson7224]

God bless you Sydney! May your life in Christ with the aid of Fr Trenham be great and triumphant.

[@Mark-yb1sp]

Sydney I am doing the same thing during this pandemic. Much blessings to you Sydney on your journey.

[@KurtGodel432]

The Orthodox accept divorce and remarriage which is against Our Lord’s words in the Gospels...

[@KurtGodel432]

Colin Sheehan an annulment isn’t a divorce. It’s a recognition on behalf of the Church of the invalidity of the sacrament.

[@KurtGodel432]

Colin Sheehan I don’t know what kind of people you happen to be hanging out with to draw such a conclusion based on the actual doctrine of the Church. 3 things are necessary for any sacrament to be valid, (the orthodox also believe this to be the case): form, matter, and intention. An annulment is simply the recognition that there was no sacramental union in the first place due to a lack of intention, or proper form. Catholic doctrine has nothing to do with what people are doing but with what Christ has revealed to the Apostles.

[@jofantioch]

I am an Orthodox woman married to a Roman Catholic man. Our faiths have helped us grow closer to God in the sharing. The schism took 500 years. Reconciliation will take just as long and can only be done through love.

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

It's s Catholic man .. Unless he is from Rome.

[@kristinesharp6286]

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 well the Greek Orthodox head isn’t the head of the Latin Church in the US. The Russian Orthodox head isn’t he head of the Latin Church in France. This is all really interesting and also a bit silly. There is one God. Christ came, died, is risen. The rest is just logistics of organization and language and culture. If there wasn’t a schism the Cold War would have been an actual world war 3.

[@timfronimos459]

Blessing and peace to Suzanne Gonsalves family. I had a Greek father and Irish mother joined for 60 years in the sacrament of Holy Matrimony. They are resting eternally now. Unity of the Church may be restored on the famy level first. An example of love humility and family that bishops East and West need to relearn. May God bless Timothy Constantine Fronimos

[@LadyMaria]

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 Roman Catholics are those in communion with the Bishop of Rome. Orthodox are Catholic but not Roman.

[@trevorwright2]

More then a women 😉 that's great be blessed to your whole family!

[@kyriakivarytimou9137]

God blesse you all! Wish you all a Holly and nice Easter! Greetings from Athens -Greece

[@EndAllDiseasecom]

I'm thinking about converting to orthodox from protestant.

[@joancute1000]

You must know the history :) and ask the holy spirit to guide you

[@lewiscollins988]

Try Lutheranism LCMS

[@greypilgrim1649]

And then eastern catholic from orthodox ;)

[@joancute1000]

David G Where are the remains of all the apostles?

[@joancute1000]

David G I am asking you a question, so pls answer me with an answer not a question :)

[@ZZZELCH]

One of the most important videos online for this issue. Thank you Father for such an in depth perspective.

[@BecomeAnOrthodoxChristian]

Very informative! God Bless you, Fr. Josiah Trenham.

[@dirtdiver4506]

I wish someday all the churches with apostolic succession will unite again because they are all true church.

[@Mark-yb1sp]

I am currently a catechumen at St John the Divine in Jacksonville Florida. It is a beautiful journey.

[@thomasdonohue1833]

I'm Catholic but love the Orthodox Mass. I won't leave my beloved Catholic church for the Orthodox. But I pray my church brings back the Latin Mass

[@pipsasqeak820]

Yeah the NO and latinization and modernisation is what turns off most orthodox coming back to the church. We will come back into communion with eachother, Francis is doing good in eccumenical things but isn't doing enough. As time progresses though we will in this hard time

[@troyadamson8618]

I am a convert to the Catholic faith and although the Latin Mass may be the correct Mass in people's eyes, I do not speak Latin so it is lost on me. Most of my brother Knights go to different parishes where they offer both a Latin and an English speaking Mass. That way you do not feel pressured to try and learn Latin. I prefer the English speaking Mass. It's how I learned it.

[@brotherbrovet1881]

When a lay Catholic Apologist studies the writings of the Early Church Fathers, and the Councils of the First Millennium, he becomes Orthodox.

[@troyadamson8618]

@@brotherbrovet1881 I have tried my best to respect the Orthodox but you just don't let me. You Orthodox are to in love with yourselves. I didn't convert to Catholic to become Orthodox. Sorry. I love being Catholic, I don't agree with what the Orthodox do. Do not try and convert me. It won't work.

[@alexjketchum]

Orthodox liturgy* :)

[@devanbrandalick1537]

I am a Catechumen for ROCOR, and this is a beautiful video. Thank you Father! Greetings from the Orthodox south (Texas) :)

[@alepine1986]

The first time I watched this I thought this priest was unfairly critical of Catholicism. After watching it a second time, I realize that he is speaking the Truth, as challenging as it may be to hear.

[@katherine3486]

Thank God you are able to open your mind and heart. May Christ lead you home.

[@CetomimusGillii]

I thank God that there are Christians willing to hear out other branches. We need as many as possible if the unity that Paul repeatedly instructed is to be restored. I think it is a serious mistake for trinitarian branches to anathemize each other as if they were Arians or Nestorians. God bless you!

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

Your will always know the side that is in the wrong when they start to criticize what they see as "the opposition". Your NEVER hear a priest in Catholicism give a homily criticizimg any other faith.

[@sinfulyetsaved]

Fr. Josiah is a great highly educated priest.

[@sinfulyetsaved]

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 hahahahaha yes I have and there was a lot more criticism when it was vatican I. Now because roman Catholics want to embrace everyone ecumenism you have this accept everyone even muslims and Jews.this is the reason why i converted from the Catholic church to Orthodoxy. There is no definitive truth. The papacy has embraced all truths as equal. Its a sad things when Catholics don't even know their own history. It was said before by Roman's if you were outside the church you were going to hell.

[@chuckHart70]

I really appreciate Fr. Josiah, as a RC, I know we are split, but this talk is very informative. I was lucky to be educated at a Catholic school by believe it or not an Orthodox priest. He taught me a lot of course. I will never be Orthodox as I cannot leave the RCC as I believe it to be The Church, I am hopeful that we can be together again soon. Thanks to my Orthodox brothers and sisters, pray for me please.

[@militca6989]

Unfortunately catholics to Orthodox believers are nothing more than a sect in that reasoning we could ever join as we don't see anyone believing in a pope as Christian

[@joshuagilmore7522]

Dear brother. I too was like you. Born and raised in the Catholic Church. Catholic school, through high school. It was a long journey of searching for the original church in my early 30s. I thank God for revealing to me the truth in the Orthodox Church. For I the book of Jude 1:3, he wrote “to contend for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints”. The Catholic church has changed so much of what Christ hands down to the apostles. Unfortunately it has committed so many heresies over 2k years, how can it be the church. It makes me sad as an ex Catholic to see this truth, and to see my parents and siblings still holding on to it in hopes that it will return to it orthodox ways. But in reality, Catholics just need to look to was is still the original church, with all its grace, the Orthodox Church. Once you step into the world of a Orthodoxy, only then can you see the obvious difference. Not only in worship, but in spirituality. Fr. Josiah was right what he said at the end, even if the pope and clergy agreed with the Orthodox on a doctrinal level, we Orthodox could never go and worship at a Catholic Church even if allowed. Just as you may see Protestant services watered down and missing substance to the Catholic Mass. We Orthodox get the same feeling when going walking into a Catholic Church and experiencing the Mass. It’s as though the Holy Spirit is absent from the service. There is that big of a difference between Catholic worship and Orthodox worship. May God give us all eyes to see and ears to hear, and may he have mercy on us all.

[@damianperez7736]

@@joshuagilmore7522 The latin mass disagrees with your statement

[@joshuagilmore7522]

@@damianperez7736 been there done that brother. Much more reverent than lost Vatican II for sure. I attended the Alton mass very often for about a year and I did love it. But as both as this speaker talks about, the phronema is missing in the west. Its k noire than just the worship. It’s something very difficult to explain. She did a good job trying, much better than me. I always tell people that you have to experience it to understand. Orthodoxy is a way of life. Even if you go to Latin , the fasting, the prostrations, the chanting, the icons, the Jesus prayer, the renouncing of ones self, and so much more are still missing in the Catholic Church. You don’t feel it as a way of live.

[@godsaveskyrieeleison5859]

You must see today that it is not the church. Your dogmas from Vatican 1-2-3 are obviously false and heretical and you can't possibly support Pope Frank and his homosexual affirming, the praying in mosques and now the building of the Abrahamic House claiming that Muslims pray to the same God as we do. You can't possibly stay catholic in these times, the curtain has fallen and you have a heretic pope (who is infallible what an oxymoron). I pray you abandon this satanic house and return home. One who truly repents and leaves their sins and iniquity behind, the Lord will always embrace back into the fold. Repent and pray and come home brother in Christ. 🙏☦️

[@agnelodias411]

I pray for the unity of the Christian Church. One day we will stand hand in hand and worship at the same alter.

[@whitemakesright2177]

You can do that right now: just become Orthodox.

[@theresemartin3920]

@@whitemakesright2177 He doesn't need to become Orthodox , he already is : he prays like Christ did, and like catholics do :) and this is true sound doctrine =ortho-doxia ; as opposed to false pretentions

[@karenbartlett1307]

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[@karenbartlett1307]

@@nutcase777 Yep. If the doctrines are not the same, how can there be true unity? There could only be a false unity, ignoring doctrine or casting it away.

[@AprendeMovimiento]

Same here

[@chandleredwards7397]

This is an amazing video. I am very glad that I sat down and watched it. God bless.

[@mattnd20]

Thank you for your perspective Fr. Josiah. As a Roman Catholic, I am deeply saddened at the state of my Church, and I know there is so much the East has to teach the West, which we need to re-learn. Reverence, beauty in the liturgy, the steadfast of holding on to Tradition, the deep call to repentance, etc... and I welcome all these things. But no matter what, I can never leave Peter. I can never his successor, Peter's boat despite how rocky it is, which at times seems to be sinking. I love the Lord Jesus, and simply seek to do his will. I believe one day, somehow through God's grace we will all be one Church again. But it will not triumphalism on either side, rather we will all be in unity once again. I know not how, but I simply wish to extend brotherly love to all my Orthodox brethren. May our Lord heal all the wounds of the past, and bring His Church to full unity soon. God bless you all.

[@killjoyredux8361]

Didn't Paul rebuke Peter?

[@mattnd20]

@@killjoyredux8361 Yes, and often times he does need rebuke. But Paul never abandoned him, and neither can I, despite how rocky and sea sick I get on Peter's boat. "If someone does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?" (Cyprian, The Unity of the Catholic Church [first edition] 4, c. AD 251)

[@chamomile8591]

St. Peter is Orthodox.

[@jonathanbell8887]

I love orthodoxy immensely. I was raised a Protestant. I hold some Protestant beliefs very close to my heart. I’m trying to become a Catholic now simply because Jesus named Peter when He met him. Then of course He comes back and says I’m going to build my church on you, using Peter (rock) as His foundation.

[@lbwnova6654]

I haven’t watched the video yet, so what I’m about to say may be redundant. I apologize if that’s the case You won’t be abandoning Peter by becoming orthodox. In Orthodoxy, the Pope would be the first among equal patriarchs. This means that he’s have the highest seat of respect and, in an ecumenical council, his word may hold more weight. But he doesn’t have the ultimate word. This reflects the council the apostles held in the book of Acts.

[@trudy-annbrown3650]

I really appreciated this. As a Catholic convert for the past two years, I am always learning and expanding my views on other denominations. I am looking into the Eastern Orthodox Church more and trying to understand their view of history.

[@orthoglobus]

👍

[@pavelrazamazov2672]

Why not just look for an Eastern Rite parish?

[@LittleGirlAlexa]

@@pavelrazamazov2672 Why not just respect someones decisions and life choices?

[@Mickycho1964]

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[@adrianleszko79]

Greetings, I am a Roman - Catholic and must say that Father Josiah Trenham prepared very good speech. I agree with his view in 60% if we talk about (in many points of the conference )the Catholic Church in USA. I am Polish so in my country Catholic devotion and rules of fasting ecc. are different. However, Fr. Josiah doesn't know much about Catholicism, it seem to me that he just looked from outside, took some notes from few ecumenical councils and build beautiful sermon about how catholic Church is heretic. He forget about historical context, Papal state and many different things which had influence my Church. We have different understanding of documents and we look in different perspective. I must say that as many listed "heresies" of Catholics Father Josiah pointed, as many "heresies" and points of disagreement we Catholics can also present. Figlioque is one of this the same with Purgatory and authority of the Pope. Patriarch of Moscow is not best example to quote. As te same, unfortunately, with our Pope Francis. However, there are many mistakes in Fr. Josiah conference. First, Children of Fatima: 2 girls one boy. the oldest girl became a nun and died in XXI century, the boy and younger girl died soon after "revelation" as you call it. Second, no one in Europe among Catholics say that Russia would be converted to Catholicism(never heard about it). As you say Father, it's about converting to God in Russian origin Faith - Ortodoxy..... There are few others mistakes, however, is good to know what Orthodoxy thinks about Catholics. God bless!

[@sarapalmes8515]

Thanks Fr. Josiah. I'm a Catholic living in Barcelona... Learning about orthodoxy with my husband since we got married. And the more we search the more we consider of leaving Catholic church and joining orthodox church. Thank you for your words.. that is the Truth!

[@MyLovelyButtercup]

Sara, te recomiendo visitar iglesia orthodoxa en Barcelona o Madrid, lo más probable sería iglesia rusa. Puedes preguntar el cura sobre las cosas que te interesen..

[@francismurphy5986]

Why don’t you come back to the true church ,The Latin Catholic Church, the Orthodox Church is Protestant, very Protestant it’s false

[@patriciadileonardo4620]

Father Josiah Trenham and his family are in special prayers.

[@dropsofink1336]

Clarity and truth. Thank you.

[@garebear1712]

Awesome video had tears in my eyes thinking of the separation of my Christian brothers and sisters

[@matheusmotta1132]

What a wonderful video! I was a Roman Catholic, and now I'm an Orthodox Christian. May God reunite the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches again once and for all. Amen.

[@wes6363]

Matheus Motta - the Catholics and so called Orthodoxy have different fundamental beliefs. They distinguish between the essence and energies of God and by doing so, Believe in Three gods, not the Trinity. They also take many pagan practices of the Eastern Religions, such as practices reminiscent of Yoga.

[@Charity-vm4bt]

@@wes6363 Which one? RC believe in one God in three Persons. They do not believe in yoga or buddhism.

[@mariavaldez7563]

I was born Catholic and I'll die Catholic

[@wes6363]

Charity Comments Orthodoxy does. Their "st"" Gregory made the Byzantine church declare a distinction between gods Essence and energies, therefore, Orthodoxy is actually Polytheistic.

[@wes6363]

Megyn - I did not say three gods. I said that they have a difference between The fathers Energies and Esscence, one of which(the energies) more sacred than the other (according to "Orthodox" theology) therefore, they are separate Gods in their own right. Also, no difference in theology? Their entire concept of the trinity is radically different from what Catholicism teaches. Catholics teach that the Father and the son are co eternal, and that the holy spirit descends from both of them, as expressed in scripture and the church fathers, whereas the "Orthadox" teach that the holy spirit and the son both come from the Father. Very very different things.

[@johnclarksr3423]

Excellent speaker. Very clear. I am not Christian, just a servant of Jesus, but can appreciate a man of conviction and competence.

[@andys3035]

How can you be a servant of Jesus and not Christian?

[@grumpycrumbles7360]

I have not yet watched the video but I want to say that as a Catholic I have a deep deep love for my Orthodox brothers and sisters in Christ! I visited a Coptic Church in my hometown not too long ago and everybody was so kind and they invited me to their Mass! You have a beautiful tradition ✝️❤☦

[@LadyMaria]

Coptics aren't part of the Orthodox Catholic Church. They're Orientals. We don't have Mass, we have Divine Liturgy. Please visit one of our churches some day. May God bless you!

[@jdk67]

Coptics aren’t in communion with Eastern Orthodox. Lmao.

[@LittleGirlAlexa]

in orthodoxy it's the divine liturgy, not mass :)

[@Ruger1022]

Thank you Father for the much needed talk...still there are mistakes regarding RC doctrine sometimes historical, sometimes current. Yet bias and loyalty is both good and bad. We are blessed to have you educate and speak out. Many years!

[@Mickycho1964]

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[@johngammon963]

Wonderful talk, God Bless

[@alyvon777]

I am grateful that someone had the sense to record this guy. It would have been a shame to waste all of that wondrous wisdom on just a handful of people. I must admit that I had to take notes and will go back and research some of his words since his vocabulary is way over my head but nonetheless - he has taught me a great deal and prompts me to delve in and understand even more! Thanks for the upload.

[@silveriorebelo8045]

woundrous wisdom, isn't it?? sadly, full of anti-Catholic bias and distortions- so, the extraordinary thing is that the unity of the Church has been kept in the Byzantine church, despite the fact it separated from the patriarch Rome, the center of unity that the Lord has given us - the problem is that I seen no unity among the Greek-Orthodox - they are not even able to gather an ecumenical council...

[@xenosmann831]

Its never a waste to work w/others. However I agree this is on you tube. As a ex RC who converted to Orthodoxy the 1-1 was great too. We all have a path whom have converted, some similar, some different. But in the end we found Orthodoxy, that was the miracle yet the life to live is still on.

[@emmao3188]

@@silveriorebelo8045 Distortions? No: He was spewing outright LIES. As Dr Tyson would say, there is nothing more dangerous than a man who knows very little, but builds a whole story around the little little he knows, and presents is as the WHOLE story.

[@PETERJOHN101]

@@silveriorebelo8045 There is no ecumenical doctrine promoted by the Apostles. As for Rome, its departure from synodal authority was the falling away from the true Church. HISTORY.

[@Ruger1022]

@@silveriorebelo8045 agreed. Many issues discussed here were to diminish others while missing the opportunity to educate the why's and what for's so to speak. The East has centuries of experience in anathematising each other and falling in and out of communion at the whim of a patriarch.

[@cop77407]

Thank you Father. God bless you. ☦️

[@martinmartin1363]

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[@kayeallen2742]

Thank you and bless you, I am drawn to the Orthodox, and I wish you all well. Thank you for this fabulous talk. ❤️

[@nabeelyounis7949]

His talks are all lies and misinformation, the recent popes have given them so much respect for no reason. No matter how hard the Roman Catholic Church of Christ try to bring these schematics to her bosom they will keep despising her out of their jealousy

[@victor382]

Nabeel Younis I did notice resentment. Like, this people got some serious beef against the Catholics. Wow! It did not escape me that even though the Church realized that treating them wrong is not ok, they still hate her guts! Hahahahaha. What the freak?

[@SeminoleFanatic111]

As a former Roman Catholic myself who has been chrismated into the Orthodox Church I find this video very insightful and helpful. I'm So blessed to be Orthodox.

[@orthoglobus]

Glory to God!

[@thorvilkwilliams9596]

Catholic church is also the true church. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

[@DavidporthouseCoUk]

That means that you now deny the sainthood of John Fisher and Thomas More, which makes you a variety of Protestant.

[@Mickycho1964]

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[@nnamdichrisume9384]

Lord have mercy

[@PiperMcPhersonTheWren]

Glad to see videos are still being made on this channel. God bless. I read a year or two ago, that the Patriarch of Moscow allowed the veneration of Pre-Schism Celtic saints. I'm an Orthodox catechumen. Though, I'm not very good at it. Prayers.

[@achapa799]

Olivia, don’t be discouraged, none of us are, that’s why we need Gods grace ;)

[@saenzperspectives]

Ron Grimes have you been reading any orthodox books in the time being? Also patristic nectar has an entire series of catechumen classes you can get.

[@christosrizos5739]

Ron Grimes no worries Ron, orthodoxy is not learned in a day or a week or even a year. Many things take lifetimes to learn, growing in virtues such as patience, persistence, ECT are life long struggles. So be patient pray to God and he will provide for you the right people to come into your life to teach you everything you need to know. The best advice I could give it just don't give up, keep pushing and praying and God will guide you.

[@kaybrown4010]

Be worried, very worried, if you ever think you’re good at being Orthodox! ☦️ Have a blessed Pascha.

[@johnpearson5669]

Destynation Z Well your arrogance certainly isn't helping to create unity now is it?

[@ricdimarco1499]

As a Catholic who knows the teachings of the Church, I will say that I believe Father Trenham (who I believe is a real priest ministering real sacraments and who I think, from I’ve seen, is a great man) is understandably making the same mistake many Catholics themselves make, which is conflating common theological opinion and prudential judgement/practice with the dogmatic teaching of the Church, itself. And I can hardly blame him, as even within the Church this distinction is very often totally unclear. In addition, secular ideologies have permeated many diocese and all acknowledge that a great many mistakes have been made, particularly with regard to catechesis and piety. However, we must trust to God’s judgement and remember his promises, that just as the Iconoclasm heresy did not delegitimize the Orthodox Church and, in the working of God’s Providence plays a role in the ultimate triumph of Christianity (which I believe will include the reunification of the Orthodox and Catholic Churches), so too we must trust that this dark period of confusion in the Church will, in the end, contribute to her ultimate success.

[@Fedeleness]

"Confusion" or heresy, there is a difference?

[@catholicdad]

The West is tainted by Arian heresy's effects & the East by the Gnostic's heresy similarly. It's that simple. We're a family. Families fight. Protestants are more like cousins 🤣🤣🤣🤣 I will say, in addition to this excellent priest's notation of Orthodoxy's failings, they also fail in evangelization & proselyzation . . . and they know it. The example of Peter in the Petrine Episstles, Acts, & the Gospels is the West's best defense. I would also point out that Orthodoxy does not share "infallibilty"--so there you go!

[@Bdfhvj]

I’ve been telling myself this- but I realize I personally can’t take Francis anymore- I pray for him but It has struck me that I wouldn’t go to him for ANY advice. 💔

[@catholicdad]

@@Bdfhvj Many of us didn't take him in the first place. The future of Catholicism is traditional. He & his minions HATE traditionalism.

[@catholicdad]

@HolyHammerOfByzantium Naaah, 200 - 500 years ago should do the trick. Now maybe if Orthodoxy does something about the Muslims, maybe we'll talk.

[@rev.j.rogerallen9328]

Thank you for your excellent presentation!

[@anthonyrebock5351]

Continuing in the adversities for unity in the Faith. As He said..My grace is sufficient for thee for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities that the power of Christ may rest upon me. II Cor. 12:9

[@expecttheunexpected8070]

Heres the 1st time ive seen american spirit in a positive way.Im really happy to see that It is a friendly and united spirit but its not fake like i use to see it om television etc.

[@carolweaver3269]

"Rock and Sand" Remind's me of a song when I was a child I heard and we sang ( I grew up Protestant) Changed to Orthodox, But the song says " The foolish man built his house upon the sands and the rains can tumbling down. (* It was demolished it anyway) Then the Wise man built his house upon the rock and the house stood firm. * This is telling this song in short, but this is sort of how it went.

[@franklinfitzgerald375]

i became a catechumen on December 4th 2022 in the orthodox church

[@SalsKitchen]

Thank you! Me & my beloved will be Converting this year 2022 to Orthodoxy

[@martinmartin1363]

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[@keepers...]

Excellent! I feel your love and I'm Roman Catholic even though I keep looking at my roots. 😉

[@mountainbikepro426]

Catholic here. THIS is interesting!!! Very good video. I watch a lot of traditional Catholic videos as well and now you have caught my attention. I've been looking for an unbiased book on church history. Does Rock and Sand cover that or do you have other recommendations?

[@MAMRetro]

As a traditional Roman Catholic, this lecture serves as a starting point to understanding the differences between the still traditional east, and what's left of the traditional west. Magnificent content. Bravo Father Josiah. As believers in Christ, we are all obligated to acknowledge our mistakes, misunderstandings, and shortcomings, and to seek and receive forgiveness. No one is innocent. A single point of discrepancy -- as someone who has known all his life the details of the miraculous apparition at Fatima -- never, EVER did I hear any priest ever interpret the phrase spoken by Mary: "Russia will be converted" (which is a mere fragment of the monumental message she gave) to mean that Russia will embrace Roman Catholicism. Never ever. Every Roman theological analysis that has been made to date (as far I know) points her words to mean that Russia would recover from the anti-Christian, atheistic Communistic errors she would spread throughout the world (mind you, these words were uttered a full month before Lenin's Bolshevik overthrow of the Russian Republic) and that Russia would RE-EMBRACE her old Faith -- in this case, her traditional Faith, Russian Orthodoxy. It would be difficult to disprove Fatima, being that the miracle of the sun on October 15 was witnessed by nearly 200,000 people, and not necessarily in the vicinity of Cova Da Iria, in Portugal (some as far away as France witnessed the sun dance in the sky) and that not one or two, but literally thousands, of lame discarded their crutches, blind recovered their eyesight, deaf began to hear, and numerous other inexplicable miracles, all well documented and witnessed, even by members of the government at the time who were agnostic Freemasons.

[@wolfthequarrelsome504]

You can't be a traditional "Roman" catholic ( unless you live in the diocese of Rome).. But you can be a traditional catholic.

[@MAMRetro]

@@wolfthequarrelsome504 Got it. Roman, as in the western rite. In my case, the growing adherence to the so-called Tridentine liturgy. Father Josiah is correct in saying that the codification of the Roman form of Mass obliterated most of the other rites in the west.

[@CaroleStlouis]

True but we need a serious break from the deep filth displayed in the Catholic Church. We are human living on earth and children of God. We don't deserve to be abused, mistreated and mislead. It's a great feeling to hear what this Priest has to say. We feel the pains most particularly when the devotion is meticulously deep. God bless you

[@MAMRetro]

@@CaroleStlouis and God bless you too.

[@MAMRetro]

@@SS-qo3nt The Blue Army, like any number of prayer groups or sodalities in the Catholic Church, is a lay initiative that may espouse a particular opinion within their group. Some agree, while others do not. This doesn't make what they say theological fact. Ultimately, determining the truth of a declaration is the job of theologans. Books declaring truths carry a nihil obstat, given by a bishop, assuring that it is free of error. As far as I know, no nihil obstat has ever been given regarding the faith to which Russia will convert. This is a matter of opinion. So, in my opinion, and in the opinion of every Catholic I know, it makes perfect sense that Russia would, as it has, reembrace its Orthodox Faith. It fills me with joy to see Russia's churches packed with faithful, not having to fear for their lives for worshipping our Lord Jesus.

[@blathermore]

What a good talk....I have one foot in each church and have attended both a lot...family in both. Love Orthodox but also (and I'm glad you said this) believe the masculine energy out of Rome evangelized with a clumsy zeal. We must pray the Catholic church returns to the first love.

[@blathermore]

I don't know what you mean about Catholic schools, hospitals, defense of marriage, pro life.....where on earth do you live? My husband works at a Catholic school and I could give you an ear full The Trad Catholics are mostly well heeled and self righteous....I think Jesus and Mary have more to worry about than whether well off Americans get Latin Masses. The Cath. hospital here has merged with the Methodist into a corporate business model. That's all over... pro life? Divorce? I think the real core problem was when the Church succumbed to the 3rd Temptation of Christ...everything proceeds from that choice.

[@michaeldonovan4948]

I hope and pray for unity between the Orthodox and Catholic churches. Pray with me.

[@Mickycho1964]

Let's pray that the Ukrainian orthodox church will reunite with the catholic church. Baby steps?

[@fenellacartwright9303]

Beautifully explained and expressed I am in awe of the paintings, monasteries and the Saints I could go on, God Bless Fenella xx

[@andrewmartin6445]

The Fatima children weren't three sisters. One of them was a boy and they were not even all siblings. I think the eldest (Lucia was cousin to the others).

[@muadek]

Also, Lucia, the one that lived to our times, was actually the oldest.

[@gerardmaroney3918]

Yes, he was somewhat misinformed there. But his address is magnificent otherwise.

[@muadek]

@@gerardmaroney3918 Hello, fellow Pageau fan:)

[@darthlinathegreat7489]

I am converting from Protestantism to Catholicism because of history and God. Neither History nor God does not lie.

[@jmjaquinas7298]

Welcome home! The journey has only just begun

[@Love.Yah.]

All the true Christians .. Catholic, Orthodox or different are already united in the Faith of the basic doctrines .. Holy trinity , virgin birth , atonement of Christ by His death and resurrection etc .. May the Lord open our hearts to realize our unity in Him and respect our differences and pray for each other 🙏🏼 As different children for one Father... God deals with the heart and intention of any Christian despite of the Church that belongs to ..

[@hectorlopez9338]

Though I am a Reformed Protestant, if I ever want to learn something reputable about Orthodoxy I go to Josiah.

[@ignatiusl.7478]

Read his book Rock and Sand. You should listen to his testimony.

[@johannesdekoning9521]

Reformed Protestant as well.

[@autisticheadscarf]

Former reformed Protestant now in the process of becoming orthodox because of Fr Josiah 🙏🏻

[@Mickycho1964]

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[@joseguddo694]

I am in the process of conversion from the Vatican II Catholic Church. To the Orthodoxy.

[@orthoglobus]

Glory to God!

[@robinsteendam1311]

Welcome to the Orthodox church

[@paulwright8064]

Jose- I'm accompanying you.

[@Mickycho1964]

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[@projectmustardseed857]

May God forgive us all and heal our church...

[@maximusthrax4520]

Great video Father. I too dream of a day where the church is whole again.

[@carlpittenger]

the schism was tragic, but the orthodox church remains whole.

[@cyberp0et]

Greetings from Romania, where the Orthodox church is under siege.

[@cyberp0et]

@Kyril J There have been two scandals involving a priest that was also a traditional music singer and I personally considered him to be kind of weird as a priest, somhehow inclined towards Protestant practices. Eventually it was found out that he was ”into boys”. Another case of homosesxuality in the Romanian Orthodox church is even of a bishop, the former bishop of Huși. This is very worrying to see such rot inside the Church. And because so many people are stupid, ignorant and superficial, there is a strong anticlerical current that contributes to the errosion of the Romanian orthodoxy and the rise of atheism and shit. I personally think we, the Orthodox people should be more united. The Orthodox countries. But the West is doing their best to demonize Russia and Putin. Even if we did have a lot to suffer from the Soviets, if we have to think in terms of historical perspective. it most certainly would do us better alongside Russia than with the traitors like Merkel and Macron.

[@karenpierce6424]

I was not aware of this. I will pray for you and the Orthodox Church in Romania; and hope everyone else does too.

[@eeaotly]

Mike Turk Offtopic question here - I am not trying to intrude, but just out of curiosity: is your name Mihai Turcu?

[@theresemartin3920]

@ Mike Turk who's besieging the romanian orthodox church ? the orthodox who dispute their own church rulers

[@cyberp0et]

@@eeaotly I reckon it must be. Now it is my turn to become curious... Actually, when it comes to translating the ”turk”, there is only one way.

[@marybee1594]

People like Father Josiah and Father Seraphim Rose are precious for West, like people from english world who can close up Ortodoxy to Western man in way understandable to him, Us on East try to, but Our way of thinking in Old World sometimes is to mystical for Westerners, so thanks God for people like this priest from their people and to chance for us to look that chance has been given to our brothers from America to meet first original apostolic Church as it is for 2020 years.

[@dropsofink1336]

I actually have been praying about this and Mary led me here. Thank you so much ☺️

[@ronaldignacio3574]

He is a joke in some aspect of Catholic faith always insist on their unacceptance of felioque phrase ,the infallibility of the Pope,the Immaculate Conception .and other practices they believe is wrong.They keep on protesting without dialogue I don't know if these Orthodox Minister read the Vatican Council II.He keep on insisting uniformity rather than unity over diversity.

[@LadyMaria]

@@ronaldignacio3574 How can there be unity if you believe in those dogmas and I don't? That is false unity to say that these dogmas only apply to the Latin church and perhaps not to the 23 Roman Catholic Uniates (like the Melkites who eschew Rome's innovative dogmas). That's unity only under one man (the Pope) and only for numbers. That means that all that matters is if the Pope recognizes your church's communion regardless if you accept all of Rome's dogmas then you're united. It is not unity of Faith in Christ which is the whole point.

[@ronaldignacio3574]

@@LadyMaria In the Catholic Church sense of unity means United in only one Church founded by our Lord Jesus not churches which is the pillar and the foundation of truth, unity in diversity in terms of liturgies and ect.The pope is a Unifying head of Christ Church as successor to St Peter .Talking about dogmas are synonimous to Christ commandment on sacraments and Faith.If you believe that his Church is in error that is not the promise of our Lord He already said that I will be with you till the end of time..

[@sigma4171]

I am faithful Catholic and it pains my heart that we are divided. I pray for our unification.

[@Kevin5279]

I am a Roman Catholic. I really liked Fr. Josiah's exposition. I wish the session could have been longer

[@grafxnrg]

Orthodox and Catholics are brothers we should always remain united.

[@aaroncarlson1162]

Marco Casarrubias how though. In order to be united, in the sense of pre-schism, either the Catholics or the orthodox have to become the other… There is no compromise, either the pope has to return to being the patriarch of the west, or the eastern orthodox churches have to accept the pope as the head of the church.

[@grafxnrg]

At the time of the Schism of 1054 between Rome and Constantinople, the membership of the Eastern Orthodox Church was spread throughout the Middle East, the Balkans, and Russia, with its center in Constantinople, which was also called “New Rome.” The biggest difference between all the churches that were created by the apostles had to do with traditions and culture, where the Orthodox Catholic Church was Greek and the Roman Catholic Church was Latin. The Orthodox Church viewed all Bishops as equals but Rome felt that the Bishop of Rome was the direct descendant of Saint Peter and therefore needed to be the leader of the church and represent the church when dealing with political matters. After the great schism, the Orthodox church realized that a leader was needed to represent the church, so a Patriarch was established (leader among equals) which is basically what the Pope is. Soon, each Orthodox division elected their own Patriarch, as in Patriarch Pope of the Coptic Orthodox, Patriarch of the Assyrian Church of the East, Patriarch of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, Patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, etc. The followers of all the Orthodox Churches amount to a few million whereas the followers or the Roman Catholic Church is in the billions. It is to our benefit that the original churches that were established by Jesus Christ's disciples remain united like they were during the first thousand years after they were established. This is why the efforts between Rome and the Orthodox Catholic Churches to re-establish friendly relationships and eventually become one is very important, to be in communion with each other. We already have enough enemies of the church, like Atheists, Radical Muslims and other Religions (including our brother Christians and Protestants) attacking us, we should stop attacking each other and pray for each other. That's what I meant "Orthodox and Catholics are brothers we should always remain united." Traditions and practices set aside.

[@aaroncarlson1162]

Marco Casarrubias Okay, but traditions and practices cannot be set aside, lest the two churches cease to be - my first point about The papacy in relationship to the other patriarchates ultimately ends the debate. A prima intere pares status for the papacy, would be excellent, but at that point Roman Catholicism wouldn't be Roman Catholicism anymore, it would be western Orthodoxy. And if the Orthodox Churches of the east would acknowledge the pope to be infallible, and supreme, they would become Eastern rite Catholics. By definition neither are going to do that. There is a fundamental ecclesiological difference between the two, should they be united as far as possible, absolutely! Especially in social issues and collegiality in demonstrating the very close theological systems, nevertheless, there are stark differences, not only in theology and practice, but also in communication and language (not just liturgically, but as far as theological categories are concerned). There are Christological differences, creedal differences, differences in the understanding of grace, what it's for, and what is it? as well as episcopal differences. The West holds to augustinian-Thomistic divine simplicity, the East to the distinction between essence and energy in God (Gregory of Palamas), these things can't just be swept under the rug. Each side regards the other as in schism and heresy. I would love to see the churches become one united entity once again, I'm just skeptical about the optimism especially coming from ecumenical Roman Catholics, I'm concerned that they don't actually understand the differences or the ramifications of unity. Just things to think about.

[@grafxnrg]

I agree. I have subscribed to this channel, I enjoy these videos and I am Catholic but very open-minded about the Orthodox Church. Great videos.

[@aaroncarlson1162]

Marco Casarrubias just so you're aware, I am neither a Roman Catholic, nor Eastern Orthodox, I'm a Lutheran, I'm just very closely paying attention to these issues and I am also passionate about the unity of Holy Mother Ecclesia.

[@albertobenagli7622]

Thank you father: in your words I see genuine desire for reconciliation with the Catholic church and a deep love and understanding for western tradition. I know union seems so far ahead of us and mutual skepticism is still yet but overcomed, yet I pray one day the Lord will clear our vision and bring His flock together once again.

[@johnnyd2383]

With your Papal blessing of the Sodom & Gomorrah... things are not going well for your wishes.

[@dennis69phd]

Excellent talk! I'm not officially Orthodox, but very interested and driven to learn more. I'm a Nazarene Protestant with an M.Div. in Christian Apologetics. I have been attempting to memorize Creeds and study the early Fathers and continuing to be enlightened by Orthodox practices and biblical truths. However, I'm concerned and hope that I don't become bitter towards Protestantism. I look forward to watching and learning more. I've already begun ordering materials and books from Father Josiah.

[@voievod9260]

Hi ! If you need help with questions about the Orthodox church, I can try to help. If there are tougher challenging questions that arise, Ive got my spiritual father (my parish priest) to back me up. Im no theologian, just a sinner.

[@Mickycho1964]

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[@Sancte_Benedicte]

Im making a journey from Rome to Orthodoxy as well, and Im finding this to be a difficult yet amazing road. I ask that you pray for me brothers and sisters.

[@robertamann2093]

I feel your pain so to speak. I drive nearly 200 miles to closest orthodox church it's a Ukrainian orthodox church mostly converts loving supportive people. You will be in my prayers.

[@glennlanham6309]

I will pray you repent from your schism....

[@glennlanham6309]

@Euro-American Resurrection then why are you only in the East, when the Catholic church is throughout the world? you know very well there are "Uniate" churches all through the east though the Communists favored your schism and that the Lebanese Maronite Catholics NEVER LEFT Rome....

[@glennlanham6309]

@Euro-American Resurrection plus you are splintered just like the Protestants and unable to agree, only its on ethnic anc country lines. there never has been a Pan-Orthodox council with any universality like Vaican II, etc

[@glennlanham6309]

@Euro-American Resurrection Blah blah find another fool who has never read the fathers or studied the Councils....

[@ordinarylistener4142]

i love both catholic and orthodox church after all long time ago we are in one church

[@raunothomas]

Most of sense it is most good, and right talk here!

[@hvalentin1987]

As a devout Catholic i pray for unification of the east and west.

[@mariusfilip1847]

Knowing what the differences are and acknowledging their importance would be a good start.

[@DysmasTheGoodThief]

You gonna renounce all your wrong beliefs? If not we won’t unify with the west lest we fall into heresy as well

[@jlouis4407]

@@DysmasTheGoodThief Gonna renounce your pride? More schism is the only thing that may do that.

[@alhilford2345]

There can only be unification when Orthodox accept Catholic doctrine. Our Lord Jesus established only One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.

[@alhilford2345]

@Ecclesia Bro : Deny it if you will, but the simple truth is that Our Lord Jesus, second Person of the Holy Trinity, became incarnate and established one Church. He entrusted His revelations to His personally chosen Apostles, appointing just one of them, St. Peter, as His vicar on earth. He ordered them to go and teach all nations, and promised that He would be with them until the end of time. That Church is the Catholic Church!

[@jibinbabu3756]

Thank you Father. It was very insightful.👍 A fellow SyroMalabar Catholic

[@philipmathew5720]

Wat d u mean by the word insightful, eastern orthodoxy is heretic and you are catholic aren't you, why do you say this, I am also a syro malabar Christian....

[@peacengrease3901]

Anglo-orthodox here for lack of a better description. Just want to say thank you for a wonderful presentation! We are in absolute agreement. I don't deny 40 days of mourning after the death of a believer, but I only wonder what does Saint Paul mean when he writes "to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord"? How are we to understand / reconcile those teachings?

[@5692Nate21]

Father Josiah I really enjoy your videos! I believe it would be a great idea if you did a video on the role and importance and revival of the diaconate within the church. I would love to hear your thoughts on the diaconate, those who wish to remain deacons instead of furthering their ordination to the priesthood, and the benefits of The deacon to the church and community in our modern day.

[@jackross5698]

This is a very interesting talk! I am already halfway and plan on watching the rest of it. And please, in the charity of love and pursuit of truth, I will also send you to Fr. Chris Alar’s videos tackling most Orthodox criticisms of Catholicism and which ones have historical substance and which ones may be more or less embellished. If I can watch an entire perspective directly from Orthodoxy I pray you will also charitably watch the Catholic perspective in Fr Chris Alar’s talks.

[@aleksandarstavric2226]

"Now I confidently say that whosoever calls himself, or desires to be called, Universal Priest, is in his elation the precursor of Antichrist, because he proudly puts himself above all others." - Pope Saint Gregory the Great - defender of Orthodoxy (or as he is known in the Orthodox Church, Saint Gregory the Dialogist; Book VII: Epistle XXXIII)

[@martinmartin1363]

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[@catholicdad]

Who's calling himself Universal Priest?

[@aleksandarstavric2226]

@@catholicdad patriarch of Constantinople wanted to institute such title - and such act would be a heresy....ironically, todays popes use such title

[@catholicdad]

@@aleksandarstavric2226 59 years a Roman Catholic (now moving into Maronite Rite) I've never heard that title. We are told Catholic (Katolikos in Greek) means "universal" but I've never heard/seen the term "Universal Priest" used in any context.

[@aleksandarstavric2226]

@@catholicdad that's the problem sir .... "Katolikos" doesn't mean "universal" at all ! That's a primitive latin translation , Latin language is very beautiful but very limited and poor. It was very difficult to translate first Bible (originally written in Greek ) to Latin... Greek language is super rich and abstract , latin is non of this ....regarding all this word "katolikos - Καθολικός means fullness or perfection, wholeness ...

[@tomj4506]

We are Roman Catholic. What you said about Francis is spot on. He is the main reason we are exploring the Orthodox church.

[@rachelshelley3234]

My brother was in school for the ministry as a Protestant when he uncovered the history of the Christian Church back to the apostles. He really soul searched for months. He was sure he had to convert to Roman Catholicism because that's as far back as he knew until he discovered that the Roman Church split from the original church, which is now called the Orthodox Church. It took nearly a year, but he visited his local Orthodox Church, asked questions, attended classes, and finally God laid on his heart that he was home. He converted a few years ago and now just this last month my father converted as well. We did not see that coming. He was the greatest apologist against it! The Lord laid on my father's heart one day that he too would convert to Orthodoxy. BAM! Saul turns into Paul! It was crazy and amazing! And I'm still attending a Protestant church with my husband... To be honest, I have never seen my family so happy. They are new people. The purpose in their lives is absolutely renewed. My mother is hesitant, and my father is patient and kind with her. I pray you find your way with the Lord. And if it would help, the Orthodox Church offers classes for those who are interested. It would not be so hard for an RC to convert as it was for my Protestant family. God bless!

[@KristiLEvans1]

Rachel Shelley the veneration of Mary is not Biblical. For me, that is an all stop.

[@bpowell7999]

@@KristiLEvans1 "Honor thy mother and thy father"...do you really think we could even come close to honoring Mary (the Theotokos) more than her one and only Son, who happened to be God?? Where in the Bible does it say everything about the Christian faith will be found explicitly in the Bible itself? (spoiler alert: it doesn't). Yet we see 2 Thessalonians 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle." The apostles themselves saw their oral tradition to be just as important as their written....and the veneration of Mary is almost as old as the Church. Orthodox Christians and Catholics existed 1500+ years before the Reformation, and we all honor Mary in a way that Protestants have forgotten. As a former Lutheran, the evidence is undeniable that the early Church held these views and even within early Lutheranism, Mary was venerated. I think it was the 3rd ecumenical council that gave Mary the title of "Theotokos", the Mother of God... that title alone should let Christians know Mary's place of veneration (veneration is different from worship...we venerate people all the time in secular society and it's not considered "worship" by the way). You also say regarding the veneration of Mary "for me, that is an all stop"..... 2 Peter 1:20: "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." You don't get to decide how the Church interprets Scripture within the context of Tradition...that's the job of the 2000+ years of the Church.

[@KristiLEvans1]

Dr. Bret Powell you pray to her. You believe she was immaculately conceived, was taken up to heaven, bodily, and that she is co-redemptrix. That puts her as almost peer to Hesus Christ. You have to use tortured typology to hammer the Bible into fitting Mary into that role, as it is not Biblical, at all. All of this is fine. We just have different religions. Church tradition and dogma is the guide and they teach a different view and essence of Mary. For me, if it’s not in the Bible, I don’t believe it. Sola scriptura - which is anathema to the RCC - is all I do.

[@bpowell7999]

@@KristiLEvans1 This is a great conversation! "You pray to her". I'm assuming you mean that prayer in itself is somehow always worship? Where is that in the Bible? Prayer in English simply means a "petition", a request. Orthodox actually do not believe in the immaculate conception of Mary or her role as co-redemptrix. Those are Catholic terms that are foreign to the Orthodox. We recognize the Dormition of Mary on August 15th. Was Mary assumed into heaven? Likely! Given the vernation of relics of those as far back as the apostles (look at the Bible! ...you won't find relics of Mary the Mother of God....don't you think that is strange in itself? At the time of the apostles, there were people even wanting to bring the sick in their presence, even if just the shadow of St Peter! Acts 5:15: "Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them." These people desired to have even the shadow of St. Peter pass over them...don't you think they would have had a very dedicated veneration to the remains of Mary if her body was still around?) As a former protestant, I can honestly say that I always knew something was missing in regards to the unified body of Christ...and part of that is the logical practice of asking for prayers of intercession from our saints, those who have died but are still part of the same body of Christ. Just like I'd ask a friend here on earth to pray for me, so too I'd ask a saint in heaven. And why wouldn't you want the Mother of God praying for you? Look at the Old Testament if you want typology. Who was the queen with King Solomon? His Mother, whom he had a throne built to be on his right side (1 Kings 2:19: Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.) Mary is the New Eve. She's the new Ark of the Covenant. This is theology that protestants have LOST...it's not new and has been around since the beginning of the Church. Mary is our adopted mother...why wouldn't you want to talk with her?

[@franciscomendes3433]

Father, peace be with you! There’s an error, because it wasn’t 3 sisters that saw the apparition of the Virgin. It was two brothers, a brother and a sister, and a cousin, that later became Sister Lúcia, of the Carmelite Order!

[@sshields2173]

Awesome. I would like to become orthodox. Attending Orthodox services is not easy.

[@Cobruh_Commander]

How so? Is it because there's no nearby churches?

[@TedBruckner]

Lord Jesus said: believe Me, an hour is coming when neither in this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. But an hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for such people the Father seeks to be His worshipers. God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. (John 4:21-24)

[@willtheperson7224]

Due to distances?

[@MadHatter-cj8bh]

I was baptized and confirmed in the Catholic Church in 2003 and just accepted everything on faith. I have to admit I felt that new person wonder of it all, as the years have gone by, my eyes are opening to secularism going on within. I've begun to feel like I need something that is nearer the origins of the Church. So....I'm still searching.

[@luiscampos-ponce949]

The Tridentine Latin Mass my friend.

[@SuperDarkMan12TV]

The divine liturgy is the way to go. Check out your local Eastern Orthodox church, it's pretty great.

[@JC-lk1mz]

I was raised Roman Catholic and after learning about the Schism I grew more and more interested in knowing the Orthodox Church. My way of repairing the division is simple: to become Orthodox! I found totally unacceptable to remain on the wrong side of the schism. How can I remain roman catholic after knowing about the Schism? No way.

[@johnnyd2383]

Welcome home.!

[@JJ-il8vf]

You know the orthodox are the schismatic, right?

[@JC-lk1mz]

@@JJ-il8vf The other way around, but the romans think they are right.

[@JC-lk1mz]

@@Jerry-er6lq I think roman patriarchy went overboard and orthodox are waiting for the roman bishop to come back to board. I has to happen some day.

[@empirical_blade6926]

@@Jerry-er6lq Since the schism the patriarch of Rome has done so many innovations that it is hard to list them all like Fr Josiah said, starting with the Filioque doctrine and going so far as to change the Nicene Creed simply because the Franks wanted to add the Filioque and get a rival from the East, Pope Leo III went as far as to having to explain to one of the Frankish kings in a council with the Easterners that his reasoning behind the filioque was wrong. Due to the Franks pressing on the Filioque the Pope had two shields with the original nicene creed written in Latin and Greek in order to make it clear that their intention was not to change the creed yet they ended succumbing to the demands of the Franks just because of territorial control and supposed unity. I don't like debating the papacy because all one has to do to throw it out of the window is demonstrate that the pope has been falible many times before.

[@christopherbautista9057]

a good discussion of the christian church...i do hope that the initiative of our leaders will lead to the true healing of the church whether we call it orthodox or catholic....foremost we are christians or followers of Christ

[@dragat5081]

It’s encouraging that people recognize a real value of the orthodoxy.