An unexpected JK ROWLING debate... during a podcast appearance

#jkrowling #debate #truth
Last week I was invited on a podcast with someone I did not know. In typical fashion I did no preparation or research. 20 minutes in this happened...
I interested I can release additional clips.

[@lodrbyroni]

This guy seemed to be genuine until that final point. "Transwoman are more likely to be sexually assaulted'? So if this person logic followed a man is more likely to molest a man in a dress than an actual woman? In that case wouldn't that still be an "lgbt+q whatever" issue? Gays molesting gays? Because straight men are not out there raping men in record numbers so this stat seems made up as hell.

[@katschrodinger954]

Excellent point!

[@joesouthborn2960]

So, are trans people afraid of trans people? Well, that explains a lot.

[@kiriyamask]

He's absolutely wrong. Trans activists have been producing propaganda saying they are "more likely to be sexually assaulted" for years. But it's not based on police reports. It's based on "self-reported" incidents when they were "not allowed to use the bathroom they wanted". Otherwise, it was self-reported for Trans people who are homeless, or working as prostitutes. At the same time, MtF transitioners were over 6 times more likely to be convicted of a violent offence than females. As well, 44% of Trans women in prison are convicted sex offenders (yet Trans activists want them housed in female prison).

[@alihenderson5910]

​@@kiriyamaskIt's the same bullshit with the 'trans genocide' narrative. Utterly baseless fantasy.

[@chrisparsonlives]

yeah i'd like to see the data

[@ayoole]

Rowling‘s stance on female spaces has been very clearly articulated by her. It has nothing to do with a fear of trans people. It’s about the existence of a taboo that prevents males from entering female spaces. When someone sees a suspicious man hanging around a female toilet etc they can report it or confront the man. But if the expectations of who belongs in female spaces is diluted, well meaning people won’t act, allowing nefarious men to invade female spaces without being stopped. Rowling’s fear is NOT about trans people, it’s about nefarious men taking advantage of weakened laws and conventions.

[@supergran1000]

Bingo.

[@Charrison9918]

So simple.

[@SunStorm_EUC]

There are countries in the world without special female spaces, and they are doing just fine. So I understand the fear, but it is mostly ungrounded.

[@supergran1000]

@@SunStorm_EUC Well, we don't know if women "are doing just fine" where there are no special provisions for them, but that's another debate. I have to ask myself why, in countries where the sexes are separated, men want so badly to enter the female space. The more I have pondered this, the more I have come to the conclusion that it is a fetish in many cases. As a woman, I don't want to be in a space where I am vulnerable (ie. in a state of undress), with a pervert, who (in the overwhelming majority) still retains fully functioning genitalia.

[@Charrison9918]

⁠@@SunStorm_EUCwhich countries and what type of “space” don’t they have.

[@PrincessFionaYT]

Pronouns are almost always used when the person isn’t around.

[@slimal1]

Bingo! Apparently many persons skipped English class.

[@ChrisRubeo]

THANK YOU!!!

[@deborahmcdowell6871]

Exactly.

[@mickfromleitrim]

I think it's mostly honorifics, thankfully I live in Ireland where we really don't bother. I can't remember ever being called sir here, America however, all the time, it's jarring and weird to my ears but that's just how they are. I'm guessing but that maybe why nearly all this pronoun shenanigans comes from the states

[@zoebella314]

​@@mickfromleitrimjust don't go to southern states, or anywhere there's going to be service ppl, AKA waiter/waitresses. If hearing pronouns "offend your precious ears". Then you'll be fine

[@impossibleagent3663]

If you let men into the women’s spaces, those will not be women’s spaces anymore. We will not have safe spaces anymore.

[@Bookhermit]

They were never fully "safe", of course - women can be evil too.

[@alihenderson5910]

​@@BookhermitPointless deflection at best.

[@rouninpanda6318]

​@@Bookhermit Mean girls exist, therefore women should also have to contend with men in their spaces?

[@gfunkenator7125]

In a true patriarchy, men have access to women's spaces...

[@Dukkha-Bhavana]

Don't worry ladies, I'm transing atpround your washroom right now with camera rolling, looking for 'creeps'. I'll keep you safe...& satisfied.

[@betty-boo9821]

Trans identifying men get sexually assaulted because a disproportionate amount of them are prostitutes

[@excession3076]

I think the lie is even more insidious. I would suspect that a high number of those identifying as "trans" now, were likely assaulted when a child before any "trans identification" came into play. But they are screwing with the figures and including them as "sexually assaulted trans". Just my suspicion based on the figures of how many SA victims are later identifying as trans.

[@fleshtonegolem]

And I would add to that fact that straight guys don't take too kindly to being catfished. I can't imagine the type of emotional confusion/anger you'd feel if you suddenly realized you are getting sexy with someone who has as much testosterone as you do.

[@joeanon1415]

Traps are called traps for a reason. If after the trap has sprung, the truth is revealed to his victim, his victim realizes he's being molested by another male and responds accordingly by defending himself, often resulting in the death of the trap. Uninformed consent is not informed consent. As a jury member I would not convict the victim of a crime in this circumstance any more than I'd put a woman in prison for killing her rapist. I'd be more likely to applaud.

[@andrewwade5655]

specifically in Brazil too

[@mra4955]

whos having sex with them

[@tonyennis1787]

The issue here is that a man can earnestly want to be a woman, might say he's a woman, might dress like a woman, might live as woman. But he's not a woman. Why do we have to pretend he's a woman? I haven't heard a good argument yet on why adults should be compelled, socially or otherwise, to pretend. Further, if any bearded man in heels is a woman, what's a woman, exactly? Some people, including US Supreme Court justices, can't even answer this challenging question.

[@commontater1785]

No one in this forum can answer the question either. Literally every time I've asked someone in this forum to define gender, their answer has been 'Just look in the dictionary. Or just Google it. I shouldn't have to articulate the answer myself because EVERYONE already knows what it means. ALL scientists know THE definition of gender and if you want me to spell it out, you are acting in bad faith." I'm not exaggerating. I even have one poster, claiming to be a 'tans therapist' tell me that I'm not allowed to come into this forum and offer a 'contrary opinion'. That my obligation is to be quiet and learn without questioning.

[@utah_koidragon7117]

Is it really that difficult to understand why men should not be in some spaces with women?

[@ChrisRubeo]

Apparently!

[@backintimealwyn5736]

what's difficult is to question an ideology that just accepted as a premiss without ever thinking about it. What' s difficult to understand is not your factual and obvious statement, but to risk being outed by your group of belonging. It's basic human behavior. As long as he's not ready to take any risk or challenge the group/mob, he will block his brain to avoid cognitive dissonance and the ideology will become crazier and crazier until it's no longer sustainable, then the all "group think " will collapse.They will all forget that they defended the ideology in the first place, they will all claim that they never believed it, did'nt dare to talk , or resisted silently, they will say that they are relieved, or they just wont talk about it at all, erasing it form their consciousness. It's what happens all the time with group think, totalitarian regimes, atrocities, moral panicks, mass hysteria...

[@rogerflack415]

Yes. For some people it appears almost impossible.

[@user-ye6ed6cg4g]

I think a lot of males on the pro-trans side refuse to engage with the fact that women's lives are shaped and completely dictated by biology. We are and have been utterly controlled by our biology by men, throughout history. We can be raped and forced into motherhood, trapped, assaulted, etc, entirely due to the fact of biology - we are the physically vulnerable sex. Note: I refuse here to add 'not all men but...' because surely we are all capable of recognising fact and nuance. And even good men benefit from women's experience with bad men, from our malleability, learned disposition to make ourselves smaller, kinder, more subservient in order to avoid danger. My life experience as the female human, in every way, shape and form, is such purely because I am female (as a girl and as a woman). Men are our biggest predator, and yet we must live in the world with them, couple with them (if hetero and/or living anywhere with less freedom than our society). Even men are terrified of men, which is why you don't see the majority of men stepping in, in my experience, those who have helped me in danger have always been other women. Men say they are here to protect us, but from what? From men. Studies indicate that women are, by several points, more adept at recognising sex , from extremely brief glimpses, to at a distance, to isolated body parts or gaits, much faster than men are. It's a biological survival tactic. It matters less to men, biologically and otherwise. Regardless all humans, babies included (and the latter have no concept of gender stereotypes), can recognise sex from within a fraction of a second to less than thirty seconds. Sex is our most basic, primal, fundamental function and category. We are animals.

[@heatheromeara5115]

Most of the people who don't get it are men who have never been preyed upon. Not all men are sexual predators, but sexual predators, by definition, have multiple victims, which is why almost ALL women know how it feels to be prey. I did a survey several months ago asking the question "the FIRST time you were touched inappropriately by an adult male, how old were you?" One women claimed she'd never been violated, but 95% of 141 respondents said they were under 18, and about 75% were 12 or under. I was 9.

[@PrincessFionaYT]

NONE of the data the tran-activists use for ANY of there bullying HAS UNDERGONE ANY RIGOROUS PROCEDURE whatsoever.

[@jgjfaulkner]

Men are statistically the biggest victims of violent crime ….. therefore we should be aloud to enter female safe spaces , shouldn’t we ? 😂😂😂😂

[@jgjfaulkner]

One problem with data on trans women crime would be men when imprisoned suddenly claiming to be trans ….. eg faking it. Not actually changing their sex just pretending , oh silly me that’s all trans woman.

[@DietersYT]

If trans women were truly women, we wouldn’t need the prefix “trans”

[@damgful]

That's a bad argument, simply because people can poke holes in it by stating there can be other qualifiers before the word women (black, white, small, etc). This is also a bad argument, however; all these women have being female in common, trans women don't. I don't disagree with your position, just don't think your argument is the best.

[@DietersYT]

I see where you are coming from and it’s made me think more, but I actually disagree. I think it’s a fine argument and here’s why: It’s about what each of those specific prefixes _imply_ .You have to look at them on a case by case basis. And “trans” is a _very_ special case….because what does it imply?

[@annereidy7981]

@@damgfulparadoxical statement

[@annereidy7981]

He was wrong because he was not taking into account that trans women,, who are fully functioning, physical, adult males, come under male offender stats, trans,. therefore, doesn't make them less dangerous to women. His argument for empathy fails on the lack of empathy shown for the victim of sexual assault. Why should one be more worthy than the other?

[@bignumbers]

"Male women" is a better term

[@joedge6142]

It's not complicated monO, either you believe women deserve the rights to consent, privacy and safety or you think men's feelings matter more. It's not the job of women to keep males safe from other males or to be mental health props for strangers. When men use women's spaces it forces some women to self exclude for various reasons, it's telling those women you don't matter, when men compete in female sports it taking away an opportunity for a woman or girl and again telling them they don't matter. No one is obliged to use the language of an ideology that is not only harmful to themselves but also harmful to many of the people pushing said ideology.

[@Gingerblaze]

All of this.

[@simoncarney9944]

Precisely right!

[@nadogrl]

Exactly!

[@Tara-zq3il]

well said

[@ktwashere5637]

Wonderful, superbly put.

[@miketemple7686]

If you are feeling empathy towards people who are experiencing gender dysphoria, don’t play the affirmation game with them, get them REAL psychological help for their dysphoria.

[@Cynical_Finch]

the amount of brain fog on display by this "Mon0" character is truly remarkable and sad.

[@shoutatthesky]

He can't even talk properly!

[@MungeParty]

Long vax perhaps.

[@supergran1000]

From whom are transwomen in danger? Other men? Then they know the fear that women have about men invading their spaces. The irony should not be lost on so-called transwomen (and I use that term with extreme reluctance). And why should the safeguarding of transwomen be women's problem? Why should it be women who accommodate and "budge up"? I'm sick of it.

[@StephanieDonelow]

Exactly. If they are scared of men then how do they think we feel? Perverts will pretend to be trans so they can SA women. It has already happened.

[@ginnis_14]

do i need to cite statistical data about how how trans women who go into (in some states legally mandated) the wrong bathroom are at a much higher likelihood of assault? or how they are at a higher likelihood of assault in general? propensity of SA has nothing to do with chromosomes. women would be “budging up” more for trans men being forced to be in their bathrooms.

[@supergran1000]

@@ginnis_14 As a peaceful woman, I don't want ANYONE to be assaulted. But, as a vulnerable woman in the presence of men, I don't want to submit myself or my daughters to potential harm. That is why women and girls have safe spaces, not because all men are dangerous, but because SOME may be - and it's impossible to know who they are in advance. The same potential to harm women also applies to men who trans identify. Why should it be WOMEN who have to take the risk? If these men really feel vulnerable, then it is up to THEM to campaign for their own spaces, or at least for the provision of, say, more toilets that are self-contained and secure. They should also be asking for more acceptance from other men. I repeat, why should it be women who are forced to do the accommodating? We are already vulnerable enough.

[@Amanda-xx7sj]

@@ginnis_14this isn’t just about bathrooms. Do you think males who commit violent crimes against women and girls should be housed in female prisons because they say they feel like women?

[@theblackhand1]

@@ginnis_14where those same TS that you are referring dressed up as a clown?

[@midnitelite7210]

Little girls should not be forced into locked rooms with grown men they don't know. This ain't hard people.

[@DietersYT]

I’m a guy. If someone called me “ma’am” I wouldn’t care because I am confident in who and what I am. What does that say about trans people? I’ll let you guys work out the logic I’m alluding to…

[@forsencd8904]

Exactly, when mon0 asked the question I mulled it and thought “who even cares, obviously the person calling me that is dumb and trying to get a rise out of me.” I can complain to my boss or call them out on it but I shouldn’t be able to sue, what good would that do

[@fleshtonegolem]

I have had long hair and absurdly long eye lashes my whole life. People thought I was a girl all the time when I was a kid. Didn't bother me in the slightest. This is a mental fragility issue, not a biological one.

[@caravanlifenz]

Calling a guy is a girl is a common insult that has been around for decades anyway, so most real males would be used to it. The military used to call soldiers "ladies" to motivate them to try harder. It's a fact that us females are slower at running and have weak upper body strength, so no soldier wants to be compared to a girl 😂

[@slimal1]

I'm a small guy and I speak very quietly... 'mis-gendering' is part of my life. I often ignore or laugh at the 'violent' act.

[@chrissy7388]

Thank you. We need more guys like you.

[@sublimebeauty1]

10.39 WTF! He seriously believes “the people who are most likely victims of sexual assault are TW..” ABSOLUTE BOLLOCKS

[@backintimealwyn5736]

regarding prison statistics they are even more likely to sexualy assault compared to the general male population. I think it's in the UK that they had numbers 70 % of Tidentified convincts are in for these reasons. Psychologicaly it makes sense, the possibility to brake boundaries that this ideological premiss represents has every chance to appeal to cluster B personality disorder, any P-do, psychopath, groomer , will exploit it without thinking. Society is creating "opportunistic transness". Once again we're facing a phenomenon of selective blindness regarding predation, there is collective denial with that issue , ex: Jimmy Saville.

[@untenableposition]

nobody is going to sexually assault a troon lol

[@sianais]

Yep, women and girls are always the top of those stats, and right under us is boys. When rates amongst males are considered, boys are still the most at risk. The only time transwomen find themselves at risk is due to engaging in high-risk activities. Pr-stitution and engaging with men without revealing they're trans. Homophobia is no joke, and gay men suffer because of this, too. So, crimes against them are more likely to be straight-up violence. There are places that still don't even consider r/pe a crime but will hand out the death penalty for any man that assaults another man like that, or imprison men engaged in consensual relations. Female stats become scary when you account for all the "cultural traditions" nobody views as SA. Name any man on this earth who has to fear their family marrying them off to some old pervert at six or pay for a man to r/pe them when they have their first period? The level of predatory sht against females is so endemic to our race that it's only recently that some societies made legal protections a norm. But these fools want to act like predatory behaviour from men is some unheard of fear mongering. If that was true, none of those laws would've been recent.

[@ghfudrs93uuu]

TWs usually are really promiscuous men who put themselves in all sorts of terrible environments. Yeah, they have a really high chance of being SAd. If you hang out with them, you have a really big chance of bring SAd by them too.

[@impossibleagent3663]

It would be silly to call a man a woman.

[@MungeParty]

It's the most common insult against a man, what are you talking about? Bitch, pussy, etc are all attacks on a man's masculinity.

[@hollyloomer7667]

JK Rowling wants "some" only biological womens spaces. Do some research and understand WHY she even made this comment about trans in 2020. She didn't denigrate anyone. She was speaking up for women who have sexual assault trauma from men, coming into "Certain" female spaces. Again, thinking error: Black and white no nuance. And, if it's illegal (which it's not) to misgender someone then it should be illegal to use a derogatory label such as TERF. Not all trans women should be in biological women spaces. Especially if those spaces help biological women overcome sexual assault trauma from men.

[@ricklyons6125]

if you haven't listened to the podcast. " the witch trials of JK rowling" its totally worth it.

[@ronhoward121]

Rowling ups the transphobia again, explicitly misgendering a public figure to her 14 million followers with some additional attacks on a British citizen who has legally transitioned. The question isn't whether people will stop defending Rowling; they will defend her. The question is "why do the transphobes defending transphobia feel the need to pretend they (and Rowling) aren't anti-trans?" Her supporters are all as anti-trans as she is or worse. They consider trans people invalid perverts who should be denied in every way including best practice medical and psychological treatment. But they still can't admit their beliefs are anti-trans? @hollyloomer7667 Are you opposed to trans rights? Do you know that Rowling is? If so, why pretend you and she aren't anti-trans? And please don't quibble on the definition of "phobia", since that's not what people mean. She's anti-trans and it is obvious.

[@ronhoward121]

Rowling ups the transphobia again, explicitly misgendering a public figure to her 14 million followers with some additional attacks on a British citizen who has legally transitioned. The question isn't whether people will stop defending Rowling; they will defend her. The question is "why do the transphobes defending transphobia feel the need to pretend they (and Rowling) aren't anti-trans?" Her supporters are all as anti-trans as she is or worse. They consider trans people invalid perverts who should be denied in every way including best practice medical and psychological treatment. But they still can't admit their beliefs are anti-trans? @hollyloomer7667 Are you opposed to trans rights? Do you know that Rowling is? If so, why pretend you and she aren't anti-trans? And please don't quibble on the definition of "phobia", since that's not what people mean. She's anti-trans and it is obvious.

[@ronhoward121]

Rowling ups herself again, explicitly wronggendering a public figure to her 14 million followers with some additional nagative remarks on a British citizen who has legally transitioned. The question isn't whether people will stop defending Rowling; they will defend her. The question is "why do they feel the need to pretend they (and Rowling) aren't anti-trans?" Her supporters are all as anti-trans as she is or more so. They consider trans people invalid SAers who should be denied in every way including best practice medical and psychological treatment. But they still can't admit their beliefs are anti-trans? @hollyloomer7667 Are you opposed to trans rights? Do you know that Rowling is? If so, why pretend you and she aren't anti-trans? And please don't quibble on the definition of "phobia", since that's not what people mean. She's anti-trans and it is obvious.

[@ronhoward121]

Rowling ups herself again, explicitly wronggendering a public figure to her 14 million followers with some additional nagative remarks on a British citizen who has legally transitioned. The question isn't whether people will stop defending Rowling; they will defend her. The question is "why do they feel the need to pretend they (and Rowling) is pro-trans?" Her supporters are all as against those rights as she is or more so. They consider trans people invalid SAers who should be denied in every way including best practice medical and psychological treatment. But they still can't admit their beliefs are An-ti-tr-ans? @hollyloomer7667 Are you opposed to trans rights? Do you know that Rowling is? If so, why pretend you and she aren't? And please don't quibble on the definition of "pho-bia", since that's not what people mean. She's an-ti-tr-ans and it is obvious.

[@DietersYT]

Why do we never hear about creepy females in male spaces?

[@ddfann]

No danger

[@DietersYT]

@@ddfann nah, it’s because most of the time it’s actually just a fetish/disorder called autogynephilia

[@chrissy7388]

Because men are stronger so creepy females don’t pose a threat to their safety. Same with female in male sports. Men wouldn’t care. That’s also why we don’t have trans men complaining not being in men’s sports. They don’t even want to!

[@Gingerblaze]

@@chrissy7388 they don't want to be put in mens prisons either. However, they do make other males uncomfortable being in their changerooms and toilets. It still infringes on their privacy.

[@oliverhug3]

@@Gingerblaze, true. They might not be a physical danger but they still break down boundaries.

[@niamhc6312]

"Empathy" with men wanting to enter women's spaces... but not for women with safeguarding concerns? Curious that it appears to flow one way.

[@ThumperLV]

Replace male/female with any other description and see if it works. Can those who are white demand to be called black? Can those who are fat demand to be called thin? Can old be young? Can ugly be beautiful? We're reaching levels of stupidity that are beyond simple insanity.

[@tonyclif1]

False analogy. Fat and slim, or black and white have no exceptions, just in judgement. Male and female have plenty. Whether it's intersex, such as a female with testis, or having 3 chromosomes instead of the standard xx or xy for example. There are plenty of examples of a child called male or female at birth based purely on outwards appearance, but further investigation shows the Dr is just wrong, or the sex is not so easily determined.

[@333999dsk]

For the majority it is.

[@Gingerblaze]

@@tonyclif1 you are referring to those of us born with DSDs, which are males and females born with anomolis conditions. Not the same thing as trans identifying people who suffer a psychological condition.

[@tonyclif1]

@@Gingerblaze I get your point, though my comment still stands as it's talking about the ridiculous false analogies used above. And some people with those DSDs still choose to "change sex" broadly speaking.

[@matityaloran9157]

@@tonyclif1The existence of people with chromosomal or physical disorders that defy easy categorization of male and female doesn’t make gender a matter of personal identity. Even if you regard people like that as another gender or genders, that’s still a matter of biology

[@sparagmos4748]

JK Rowling is not using anecdotal evidence regarding sexual offending in the 'trans women' population. I have seen the data, it is related to prisoners both in the US and in the UK. In fact trans identified males in the prison population are more likely to be sexual offenders than other men in the same population!

[@excession3076]

Thank you, how do they ignore this when it has been quite widely reported?

[@sparagmos4748]

@@excession3076 It is usually suppression. One of her latest 'controversial' comments was a 'not our crimes' statement about a trans identified male who committed a brutal thrill kill in Oxford. Most news sites were referring to them as a woman or female - bizarrely some reports said right at the end of the report 'it is expected that she will serve her sentence in a men's prison'! Only gender critical, right wing and transphobic sites / channels were making it clear that the murderer is male.

[@Wolf-zp5iw]

I would like to add some clarity on this, the only data we have on "transwomen" in regards to sexual offenses comes from the UK MOJ. ~1% of women in UK prisons have committed sex offences. ~18% of men in UK prisons have committed sex offences. ~60% of so called "trans women" in UK prisons have committed sex offences. Its literally more than 3x the rate of normal men. Its almost like building an ideology around self perception and fetish is a bad idea.

[@slarti42uk]

The conclusion here seems to make a leap from prison population to general population which doesn't follow. For example the trans women population in prison could be 3, with 2 of them having committed a sexual offence, roughly 60%. This would not mean you could extrapolate that to the general population of trans women as the sample size would simply be too low. This statistic is given as the percentage of criminals who've committed sexual offences, by gender. Not the percentage of any given gender population who pose a risk of committing sexual offences.

[@Wolf-zp5iw]

@@slarti42uk The sample size is indeed small (176 if memory serves) and that is to be expected, the "trans" lot are a very tiny minority of the population which is part of the reason why is so obnoxious that they are pushed literally everywhere all the time. Also extrapolating this into the general population is something we do all the time for the other groups. These are just the stats as they are, attempting to exclude this specific group makes me question your motivation.

[@VerbDoesStuff]

@@slarti42ukThe problem is that “trans” in and of itself is an inherently self-identifying label that allows no room for nuance and has no distinction between said criminals, fetishists, and, dare I say, actual trans people.

[@MichaelAussie05]

"One of the painful signs of years of dumbed-down education is how many people are unable to make a coherent argument. They can vent their emotions, question other people's motives, make bold assertions, repeat slogans-anything except reason." -Thomas Sowell

[@dasfahrer8187]

This is what happens when you don't have free speech. Chaos, insanity and totalitarianism always ensues.

[@MrHackclan]

Not really... in germany you can be sued if you insult someone. Its not like you get in big trouble.. maybe you have to pay like 30 Euro or something and most people dont sue for this.. cause it can be expensive and backfire. The first german law is " The dignity of humans is untouchable " now.. i think there is much more chaos and insanity in the US .

[@khatdubell]

@@MrHackclan Did they remember that first german law when they were exterminating an entire race?

[@Si_Mondo]

The problem the Brit has in this discussion is that a UK Court ruled last year (maybe late the year before that) that being critical of gender theory *is* a protected form of speech, and thus Rowling cannot be prosecuted. His position is moot because he isn't aware of this. Edit: The dude (on the left) isn't a Brit. Just heard his accent more clearly. Speaks good English though.

[@tomjackson4374]

@@MrHackclan Is it chaos or freedom because freedom tends to be messy. Here nobody has the right to not be offended, and that means people are allowed to think anyway they choose. Nobody here is going to walk around on eggshells because you might get your little feefees hurt. That means there is nothing that can't be talked about or discussed, including Nazis, the holocaust because we trust our citizens to have enough sense not to be influenced by that. Apparently that trust doesn't exist in Germany.

[@MrHackclan]

@@tomjackson4374Well you can see it that way... but looking at it from another perspective. Seems like a lot of active shooter kids dont do so well with this mindset. There is only so much people can stomach .. wether its words or punches.

[@throatwobblermangrove8510]

People can argue this all day they want, but no woman ever raped and impregnated another woman in prison until "trans" women were allowed in women's prisons. Prove me wrong. I have to admit that this guy is one of the most analytical people I've seen you debate. Kudos to him.

[@StephanieDonelow]

Exactly

[@ronhoward121]

No trans woman has raped and impregnated another woman in prison. Nor should prisons be places where any inmate isn't protected from rape. J.K. uses anecdotes to imply that trans women are sexual predators instead of data. Yes, she can make that argument, and yes that argument is very weak. But that argument is ALSO transphobic.

[@williamjenkins4913]

Honestly I doubt he would have time to R anyone. The one dick in the building? If anything he was in a shank or be shanked situation.

[@ghfudrs93uuu]

Plenty of women are raped by other women, in prison and outside

[@Bill-ni3es]

Men cannot share change rooms with women. If that hurts anyone's precious feelings... too bad.

[@wanda520]

I’ve heard that gynecologists have been asked to do pelvic exams on a person without women parts

[@impossibleagent3663]

@@wanda520well… that’s not reassuring that they will be able to do their actual job. Their actual job involves women’s genitalia.

[@ribbonsofnight]

@@wanda520 I imagine being told all their equipment is 100% defective (especially their brain) would stop that quickly but a doctor who tells the truth has made an enemy for life and they'll be vindictive.

[@johnnunn8688]

Unfortunately, they are allowed to in many places and do so.

[@TTykwer]

Their "suffering" should not impose on the rights or privacy of women.

[@Bookhermit]

There is no such thing as "transition" - only disguise.

[@1603holly]

Bathrooms, sports, changing rooms , prisons, hospital wards, intimate care issues, rape crisis centers, possibly religious spaces; these spaces need to be sex specific. It is not complicated. Men can carve out spaces for trans women if they want to.

[@rosezingleman5007]

A person’s mental identity “suffering” cannot compel broader society to accommodate that “suffering.” Mon0 is full of it.

[@Gingerblaze]

8:36 It's wonderful that he feels empathy with "those who are sufferring". Where do women and childrens sufferring fall on his empathy scale? He can show his empathy best by not hurting trans-women who enter the mens changerooms, toilets, sporting events, hospital wards etc. He can accept that trans women are not any type of women. They are in fact, a type of men.

[@paulaustinmurphy]

To simplify. Warren Smith's debate partner (monO) is basically arguing is that J.K. Rowling isn't an academic who's written papers on the subject of what people call "trans ideology", etc., she should "shut up". Of course, monO doesn't use the actual words "shut up". If you take many of monO's points, they amount to this point. He talks about "data points", "sampling", "references", "only putting one side", etc. Is this a classic - if implicit - case of arguing the Rowling should "shut up" if she's not an expert/academic? The problem with this position is that it would also need to apply to those in on the other side of the argument too - if they aren't experts, then they should shut up. Indeed, he's not an expert, so he should shut up too. Also, Rowing has presented - or referred to - academic data and research. It's just not her own. Yes, she's not an academic..... monO also says that the "data" about certain trans people coming dominate female sports is not there. Yes, he said that! He also said the "data" is that trans people are more likely to suffer sexual assault than woman. That is almost certainly false. He means that he has read studies - or even a specific study - which may argue that. As someone who uses the words "academic studies", "data points" "sampling", etc - monO should be wise enough not to to treat particular studies - or even a single study - as gospel.

[@ddfann]

Mono is being disingenuous, he’s trying to set you up for a ‘Gotcha’ moment but wasn’t able to deliver the coup de grace

[@David-si8vq]

Minor leaguer trying to play in the major leagues using a whiffle bat.

[@helenhawkins4925]

Personally, I would not be terribly worried about a trans-woman being in a woman's restroom, but I would be worried about a rapist posing as a trans-woman entering into a woman's restroom. I would be very skeptical of an individual who flaunts his/her "trans" sexually as a means to intimidate women and girls. An individual who claims to be a woman but has no understanding of the discomfort that women have in dealing with male anatomy in places where they are vulnerable does not strike me as an individual who has a clue as to what being a woman means.

[@FireGlitch]

Agreed

[@tarrek]

You would be worried about men being in the restroom because they might be rapists. Therefore you WOULD be worried about a trans woman being in the restroom because they might be rapists. If not, you'd need to demonstrate how you know that men who claim they are women are less likely to rape.

[@bruticus0875]

I agree too. Anyone seeking to be more of a woman should at least sympathize with the worry of being hemmed into small spaces with someone with at least the capacity to overpower and assault. You might say other women could do the same. But women are not equipped to both overpower and SA another woman. The strongest woman might be able to wrestle the weakest man.....but as a whole, most men, transitioned or otherwise, could trap a lone woman in a bathroom with 0 escape options. Anyone with a female child immediately understands this. If bathrooms are ever opened, you're basically forcing ppl to "trust" in the honesty and integrity of every single trans man/woman that enters in there. If you lose that bet, a life is scarred forever horribly. You're not gambling with my child's life and neither will I.

[@mr2981]

​@@bruticus0875Like they say, how you feel about yourself is up to you, but how I feel about you is up to me.

[@lucymolockian1849]

47% of the transwomen(males) who are in prison are sex offenders. The average of other prisoners is around 13%.

[@doghelp]

When I was 4, my mom left my very abusive father, who dressed as a woman to find us. We had been put into shelter. Women, such as myself are not phobic towards people with gender dysphoria. Where is the empathy towards women being murdered, usually through domestic violence? We fear men who do, and have, for a long time, dressed as women to pass safeguards and KILL us. People with gender dysphoria deserve empathy. Do women also not deserve empathy? Do we not have the human right to have our experiences heard and validated? it should be enough to say, "We are being murdered by imposters."

[@marjoriekaye9336]

Women are expected to absorb male violence, that's part of why feminism exists.

[@keyser456]

The mental gymnastics these gentlemen have to go through in order to try to "play nice" with these nebulous "you've offended me!" rules speaks volumes. It's simply not possible to not offend people who are hell-bent on being perpetually offended. It's not just what do or say, it's now also what you don't do or don't say. The only logical and sustainable way out of this is to tell the perpetually offended to go pound sand.

[@alihenderson5910]

Yes, the arguments are set up to be unwinnable, outright defiance is the only way.

[@keyser021]

Seeing two grown men in 2024 discussing with concern the words they must choose to exist and navigate the world so as to curry favor with just the right groups so that they can think of themselves as "good" people making good choices that will make them and everyone around them feel "good" is a disgrace. wtf. The fall of Western civilization wasn't done at the barrel of a gun, it was done through weak men holding careful conversations about how to act toward other weak men so that their womenfolk will still accept them... because, why tf else would you be so concerned about men in dresses trying to swim on the women's team and get nice looks in the ladies rooms while hanging out with the ladies, because a dude with d*!k can absolutely be a lady, right fellas?

[@TheGavrael]

Only female police are supposed to perform strip searches on female detainees or female TSA agents pull over for pat downs of female travelers. Forcing them to undergo that by a male is another area of problematic interaction.

[@cwingnam]

But that male is identify as a female!! j/k

[@acacia_w]

He's confusing bullying and harassment with compelled speech. His question doesn't make sense. He's not as smart as he thinks.

[@ThumperLV]

Contrary to what has become a popular opinion - speech is not violence. Therefore in a society that supports free speech - forms of speech cannot be compelled. There is a difference between potential verbal insults vs slander/defamation.

[@Povole]

Are the signs on the bathroom meant to divide people by what they are or by their aspirations?

[@funnynina1]

This guy literally said Trans people are more likely to be assaulted than women. What a disgusting thing to say.

[@fleshtonegolem]

@9:34 the science is crystal clear there is a competitive advantage for males that transition and compete in woman's sports. This person is ignoring science that conflicts with his current world view. He keeps asking for data. Just look at the world records for the last 50 years in sports. Is that enough data for you?

[@AlexaOleksa]

And like, there is biological data of biological differences, such as lung capacity, bone density, muscle composition...what else data he needs?

[@headshot9]

Can we agree that it was already established that humans with a penis are more likely to sexually assault humans with a vagina, so by extension, unaltered trans women are more likely to sexually assault women compared to biological women? It might be less than men, but fairly clear that it will be statistically more than women. In the same way, we can say that trans men are less likely to sexually assault women compared to biological men.

[@sarahrobertson4629]

Actually, among prisoners (solid data for the UK), trans people are MORE likely to be sexual offenders than other male prisoners, by quite a lot.

[@impossibleagent3663]

Men with mutilated penises still are still men. And women pretending to be men have lower likeliness to commit SA because the are women. Though cross sex hormones do seem to be very bad for mental stability.

[@basedcentrist3056]

So this guy wants to make it illegal for women to discuss the destruction of their rights?

[@sianais]

Yep. It's like a merry-go-round where women's rights get to go back to the start, but worse.

[@pltcsetc]

Olympic level mental gymnastics displayed by the gentleman on the left

[@DietersYT]

I firmly believe that in the vast majority of cases, “it” boils down to a fetish or a symptom of a different mental disorder (depression stemming from loneliness, mainly).

[@WinkLinkletter]

Mid-life onset gynophilia. A full on fetish that we are all being forced to participate in.

[@lizgilbert9129]

Im so grateful for these conversations that don't happen in the big-time pocast spaces. What gets me, an older woman, is hearing men making decisions about *my* spaces and life. When long-term women speak out they are savaged. Im sorry men who feel they are women have a hard time, but women born as women have a hard time too. If you want to talk about an every month horrible event for 40 years (over a thousand days of blood and pain in a lifetime), childbirth or miscarriages, rap* (or constant awareness of the possibilty) and then huge issues of aging. Feel some empathy in the women's direction maybe. One of the problems men who dres s as wonen have is that they are suddenly forced to confront many of the things women live with all the time. Assault, mockery about appearance etc

[@paulmartin2348]

Personally, I don't care much what you call me because I have not spent my entire life throwing everything about me, real or imagined, in other people's faces so that I can try to find something to be offended about.

[@williamjenkins4913]

I also don't care about you!

[@VerbDoesStuff]

@@williamjenkins4913Note that nobody was offended by you saying that.

[@streglof]

It's not harrassment when someone uses the pronoun that corresponds with the s3x you're born with

[@pilroberts6185]

Agree and I'll add, nor is it hate speech refuse to use made up neologistic 'pro-nouns' (zhe zher puppy etc)

[@CrudelyMade]

the problem is that these people have redefined harassment to be subjective. really, look into the laws in canada and UK.. this is where their legal verbage leans towards.

[@vilgessuola]

Or the s4x. Or the s5x.

[@Scratchy8644]

@@pilroberts6185 Agree and I'll add, nor is it genocide to not affirm confused kids under the Dutch protocol and "gender affirmation medical care".

[@ijclark]

It clearly is when you’ve been asked not to.

[@edwardkopp1116]

Anecdotes and cherry picking are the tactics being used to attack JKR.

[@paritybit7830]

Bathrooms are really one of the more minor problems, they already have separate stalls internally. It's still a point of contention, but minor compared to locker rooms and other shared clothes-changing spaces, sex-separated nude hot tubs and hot springs, and services like hair removal waxing. There is already a known, publicized case of an intact male trans-woman (with a beard) choosing to join the hot tub with a minor girl in it, protected in that action by California anti-discrimination law, and a trans-woman insisting on getting the nether bits waxed at a facility that does that for women, suing under Canadian anti-discrimination law when denied, and of course many cases of trans-women with their intact male parts exposed in changing spaces. Even if one is fully supportive of gender dysphoric people being able to transition and live as fully as physically possible as the opposite sex, these things are still problems because they create opportunities that can be abused by individuals who are not actually gender-dysphoric, but just say the necessary words in order to get into spaces they would otherwise be excluded from.

[@CynsCorner]

I wouldn't call an obvious man a woman even if it was required by law.

[@impossibleagent3663]

It’s simple; men abuse women. Why do you think we have single sex spaces. Like it or not transwomen are not some alien race we know little of, no they’re men. And they offend at the same rate as the other men.

[@joesouthborn2960]

Exactly the same rate? You sure about that? Please share your facts.

[@impossibleagent3663]

They’re men. Yes exactly at the same rate as the other men. They are not a different breed. They’re the same.

[@joesouthborn2960]

@@impossibleagent3663 ... taking a fact (trans women are men) and turning it into an assumption (trans women compromise/damage female body autonomy as much as men)... that's not a statistic. It's not even a hypothesis. Yup... it's an assumption. Added to that, how can you tell the difference between someone who is trans and a sex offender who uses drag to increase access to future victims? Assuming that all men could be sex offenders is one thing. Ignoring that a small percentage of men is responsible for most acts of crime (heard of the Pareto principle?... it also applied here)... that's just ignoring reality. But that seems to be more of a thing now in our increasingly virtual world. Who knew?

[@excession3076]

@@impossibleagent3663 No, not at the same rate, higher. Figures from government on male prison population in the UK. A higher percentage of trans identifying men have been convicted of sexual crimes compared to the general male prison population. It's worse than you think. It's utter madness to ignore the sexual fetish aspect of so many trans identifying men, but here we are. Being told that the creeps, if they put on a dress, should be allowed to assault women otherwise you are not "being kind".

[@alihenderson5910]

​@@excession3076The truth is much more sinister than that. This is a carefully constructed, top down subversion operation, designed to completely break us.

[@chrisrynn1]

Surely being addressed by the wrong pronoun would only be offensive to a sexist.

[@aaronthompson192]

Andy Ngo just reported a woman was convicted of misgendering someone trying to use a woman's restroom. The charges were "harassment" and "bias crime in the second degree". Does anyone know details on a bias crime? Is that a proxy for compelled speech?

[@impossibleagent3663]

Yes, this was Portland… need I say more?

[@AbzScotland]

Canada has compelled pronouns. Trans woman = biological man = more assaults? If the risk was lower it would be pushed by MSM.

[@seanadb]

Canada does not have compelled pronouns.

[@AbzScotland]

@@seanadb Tell Jordan Peterson, not me.

[@seanadb]

@@AbzScotland You are the one saying it. Peterson has been told as well, he has an allergy to reality.

[@AbzScotland]

@@seanadb What law firm do you work for?

[@whisperienced]

​@@seanadba man was arrested in 2021 for misgendering his 'transitioning' daughter. That is compelled speech.

[@tonyyayo2883]

This he/she stuff is bs. The only time I say he/she/whatever, is when I'm talking to someone else and they aren't there. Otherwise, I use their name. Hey, she can you come over here? Doesn't make sense. So they want to control what I say when they aren't even around? How is that harassment? It's just about controlling others. That's what it's always been about.

[@SacClass650]

Presumably if they (pun not intended) want you to refer to them as something they are not because it is "their truth", then you can in turn say: But it is my truth not to call you by that, and you need to respect my truth?

[@Pneumanon]

To a rational person that makes sense. To people who believe in hierarchies of oppression (intersectionality) that doesn’t hold much water. The surface level conflicts about pronouns are just symptoms of the deeper conflict in worldview. If you don’t address the worldview level arguments you will never get anywhere with people who insist on pronouns. Since the intersectional argument is based fundamentally on compassion, you need to appeal to the person’s sense of compassion to make headway. Reasoned arguments only start to take effect once the issue of compassion is dealt with.

[@SacClass650]

@@Pneumanon Ideally, reason and compassion pervade one another, the former measuring and regulating the latter. However, the left do not believe in grounding their ethics in anything. To appeal to their compassion would be to appeal to their moral nihilism.

[@slacktoryrecords4193]

@@Pneumanonthey’re often narcissists-like, for real-so appealing to their sense of compassion might not go as planned.

[@SacClass650]

@@Pneumanon However, their compassion is unregulated and unmeasured, so I feel uncomfortable appealing to it. I would rather use their "compassion" against them to illustrate how dangerous and weird it is.

[@Pneumanon]

@@slacktoryrecords4193 @SacClass650 Using ones' own judgement on a case-by-case basis is of course important. Some people are unwilling or incapable of having a good faith debate on the topic, in those cases other techniques might be better suited. Using someones compassion "against them" is (in my mind) what I am suggesting. By appealing to their compassion you help them see the contradictions in their thinking. Refusing to be compassionate because it's "not my truth" is just a way of saying "I don't care about you/your argument/etc" which is generally counter productive in any argument unless your goal is to increase conflict. Flattening all people with opposing views into a monolith and referring to them all as a collective entity is lazy thinking. "They" don't all think the same way. Some people are clearly fanatical in their views on these topics. Other people, and I would guess this is the majority, just want to be good people, and haven't thought through the implications of these ideas. Those are the people I am talking about- people who are essentially good people, well- intentioned, capable of rational thinking but currently persuaded by bad arguments. You don't need to convince everyone of your positions, you just need to persuade a majority. The battle is not for the extremes, it is for the center.

[@fribersson]

The mono chap made a crucial mistake: he assumes that he knows that people are suffering when they say they are suffering. As psychologists know, the human psychology is complex. And people lie. Some people will be suffering, others will pretend to be suffering. Unless he is a telepath, he can’t tell the difference. And if he operates in a universe where bad faith actors don’t take advantage of kindness, he is operating at low resolution level And has massive blindspots. It seems many people are concerned about bad faith actors taking advantage of other peoples’ kindness, but few can articulate it as a bad faith actor problem.

[@SaintKimbo]

Yes, it's no wonder Mono gets called 'she' all the time at work, he's such a pu$$y.

[@shannonpotratz489]

It seems like mon0 is so unconvinced of his own argument, that he can't even form a coherent narrative.

[@sufferedlearnedchanged]

What other mental disorder do we do this with? None.

[@DejanOfRadic]

This shouldn't be a discussion about people, with some attempt to glean their motives. This should be a discussion about best practices and about designing systems that bare in mind the failings of human nature. When we design traffic laws, we are not concerned with the identity of the drivers, nor do we care about their feelings inside. We design traffic laws to reflect the inherent danger of traffic. These debates end up sounding like Highschool exercises, with one side feigning an obstinate ignorance concerning what people do with poorly designed systems. It has absolutely zero to do with suggesting that trans people are in any way dangerous.

[@WinkLinkletter]

Obstinate ignorance Deliberately obtuse.

[@SaintKimbo]

So, you are saying that trans people should only wear red, yellow and green colored clothing?

[@DejanOfRadic]

@@SaintKimbo no, I'm saying that I expect funnier jokes than that

[@human.imagination]

Watching someone suffer from cognitive dissonance is hard for me to watch.

[@rijntje73]

His willingness to engage in trans apologism doesn't help him to make cogent points. His empathy is precisely what is being weaponised by the trans lobby and the institutions and it gets misdirected. It overrides common sense and unfortunately this happens to way too many people, which allows the many problems that stem from this (of which many kids having their mental and physical health and bodies ruined is clearly the worst) to perpetuate and fester.

[@WilliamEllison]

You can tell this guy on the left is very confused.

[@WilliamEllison]

He is thinking of slander, but you can't slander someone by telling them the truth.

[@International_Jetset]

This guy talked for ten minutes and said nothing

[@Zukadog]

Can the law distinguish between transgenders and transvestism ? Either way compelled speech is a very dark road !

[@StephanieDonelow]

Some men have a fetish to dress as women but I'm supposed to respect that? I don't want someone with that kink in the restroom with me.

[@kafkakitty8630]

Nice to see people talking calmly. However never the twain shall meet when it comes to issues of punitive power grabs and attempts at thought control.

[@noah1502]

calling a man “she” to demean him is misogynistic because it implies he is in some way lesser than if he acts in feminine ways. calling a man “he” when he wishes he were a woman is just properly sexing him. these are two very different scenarios.

[@TheAffrojutty]

You do not ‘help’ these people by feeding their delusion. Real love is not always wrapped up in a warm blanket, it can be unwaveringly brutal at times 🙏❤️

[@claudiafahey1353]

Good grief, can they just leave her alone? She's entitled to her opinion....theyre like psycho bullies

[@seazonz2192]

"...the people who are the most likely victims of $e$ual a$$ault are trans people." Where in the boggy hell did he pull that BS?? I'm in total awe of your ability to stay calm and continue a civil conversation, because that statement seems so beyond the pale it just completely peeves me. This is why I like your videos... you remain calm, open to debate on all topics, and can then have real teaching moments.

[@lizgilbert9129]

Not agreeing with him at all, but he was talking statistics. I have no idea how the statistics could be gathered, so that's a question that needs to be asked. Like the stats about trans suic** based on one study from Brazil. Statistics are always dodgy when they're being brought forward to "prove" a case. There's an old statistic that says one in four women will experience rap* in their lifetime. That is a lot of people across a population - 25%. There aren't that many men who dress as women, so the statistics look worse. And those rap* statistics do not include the raft of non-sexual assaults, of the kind that trans folk would experience.

[@mktay2067]

the statistic states by other trans people they are more likely to be sexually assulted so it is within their own community :(

[@sirMikell]

In addition to the pinned comment the thing that seems to escape the discourse around this issue is how he plainly said "you have to suffer pretty bad" in reference to wanting to change your gender, completely disregarding the aspects of confusion and coercion that weigh into those decision, which aren't given any grace as far as other mental conditions go,

[@WinkLinkletter]

"Of course she's going to be trying to discuss what she wants to discuss, we can't fault her for discussing the things she's trying to discuss..." But that is EXACTLY what they attempt and succeed at all too often. Preempt any discussion or debate and vilify all dissent before it is heard.

[@leighgordon9311]

There is one question that I have yet to see answered. It is this: If biological sex is disassociated from gender, then what is the difference between gender and personality?

[@RJWhitmore]

I presume you mean answered by Trans Ideologists- I have also had difficulties in getting that answered in any meaningful way from them. Myself, I can answer what gender is: it is a set of societal stereotypes involving appearance (makeup, clothing, hair length, musculature, etc.), behaviour (submissive, confident, boisterous, passive, etc.), and role (looking after children, making money, chores, etc.) that is then attached to one or the other of the sexes. They don't like this answer, though, because it reveals that they want to enforce stereotypes rather than break them. Essentially, they know they don't fit into the stereotype associated with their sex by the society they inhabit, so they choose to seek acceptance as the other sex-associated stereotype by insisting on actually being that sex - then when that fails they attempt to coerce people into doing so by calling them Transphobic if they do not. For those like myself who abhor gender altogether we look on with despair at the whole situation. Sex is binary, based on gametes. Physiological differences exist that usually follow from sex, which encourage different appearances, behaviours and roles but do not define these. Gender is a stereotype pushed by society - instead, people should do what they like to do while acknowledging what they are not so good at and may need help with. Seek good people that accept you, don't try to force everyone into an illusion.

[@sarahrobertson4629]

This guy is pretty clueless about "the data" because a lot of trans claims turn out to not be true when you actually do good research. Also, is he aware the majority of transwomen are fetishists? They're far more likely fantasizing about being sexually assaulted then actually being sexually assaulted, and they appear to be disproportionately sexual offenders themselves (including preying on younger transpeople in support circles). But maybe he's actually trying to figure it out.

[@WinkLinkletter]

Mid-life onset gynophilia.

[@sarahrobertson4629]

@@JonathanJimbo The fetish is called autogynephilia - a term coined by researcher Ray Blanchard. The proportion of transwomen who are AGPs will vary from study to study and from year to year and of course from culture to culture - AGPs are prevalent in the West where it's ok to be gay so gay men are less likely to transition but not in cultures where transwomen have fewer rights than other men (because they are legally women). The actual proportion seems to be 2/3 or more in Western cultures but that may have changed in the last decade if there's been an increase in men transitioning for new reasons.

[@sarahrobertson4629]

@@JonathanJimbo Also, check out the book Men Trapped in Men's Bodies by Anne Lawrence. There may still be a pdf online. It summaries Blanchard's research before going on to Lawrence's research.

[@sarahrobertson4629]

@@JonathanJimbo Interesting, and more thoughtful than I was expecting. There's so much that needs to be talked about, isn't there?

[@Kaztrofy]

The level of todays philosophical problems, it's astounding to witness.

[@markhla427]

I found mon0's argumentative inconsistency here to be disappointing. He suggests Rowling should use data points to improve her arguments, but then mentioned data about assaults on trans women but didn't seem to have any detail. I think this is where data becomes a problem. Either argue on the philosophical principles (which is what this should be), or have two subject matter experts debate the research.

[@user-so3kx5sv8r]

This just shows again how little is understood about the implications of letting men simply self ID as women - with no limits - no framework . It also shows a lack of understanding of the fact that the term ‘ trans’ is not worked out.

[@fb8966]

yea..... demand those who criticize stupidity, and insanity, do more research.

[@LadyHermes]

Next step is adult men pretending to be 10yo to legally have s.. with teenagers. And people who disagree with that will be called pedophobic. Reality and feelings are two different things, that's it.

[@andrewgilbertson5356]

It is not JK Rowling job to gather and present data. She is expressing her genuine point of view.

[@synthwavesurfer]

I find that we are increasingly expected to serve at the whims of others without questioning anything. People are so scared to even have these conversations because of the implicated threat to their livelihoods if they fall out of line. (Edit: I meant to say "implied threat".)

[@uruk_bye1232]

The different cultural perspective regarding how the law would be involved is very interesting. It was a very authoritarian take, expecting that you should be able to invoke the law in the case of personal offense.

[@zereimu]

The problem with the pronoun issue is that enforcing alternative pronouns is forcing someone to both participate and practice in the trans belief system, which is a human rights violation. Pronouns are sexed, and using feminine pronouns on a male is an affirmation of the belief system that males can be women and that females can be men, which is an alternative definition that deviates from correct English definitions and general consensus. In other words it's not only compelled speech, but it's also though policing and ideological assault. People who believe in radical transgender ideology do not have the right to bully the rest of the world.

[@squidward6187]

The difference being that most of us would not take it to the police because bullying is juvenile behaviour and the police need to deal with REAL criminals. If someone constantly referred to me as "him" (I'm female) I'd be genuinely perplexed and confront him/her about it to understand their confusion. If he/her was of the opinion I'm a male and I can't shake that foundational thinking, I'd be like, "okay, well, this person is a loon," and then ignore the idiot because it's not wise to rile up the mentally ill. They get violent easily.

[@anonamos225]

Sometimes it crosses my mind how I never hear anyone having these discussions about trans men. I've never seen a single complaint about trans men in sports. Never heard a single complaint about trans men in men's bathrooms or undressing in the changing room at the ymca with minors. I don't hear complaints about trans men specially at all even though they're technically in the same fight for all the same things there's this massive discrepency and it'd be really interesting to hear people bring up the contrast more often.

[@veritas4698]

I've heard some complaints from gay men that these women go into their spaces and expect them to date them or have sex with them. But that's about it.

[@jackiejones690]

Because they are not a threat to real men. When the chips are down the man still has the stronger body and chases no problem defending himself against a trans man ie a biological woman

[@joesouthborn2960]

SUMMARY: (liberal paraphrasing) Empathetic person: I have seen data that aligns with my asymmetrical understanding of reality. It's not just my subjective biases getting involved - that would never happen (proceeds to demonstrate multiple examples of weak and feelings based arguments). Warren Smith: Really? That's worth quoting. Got a quote? Cos if you have no facts and it defies logic, that's no argument.

[@mugglesarecooltoo]

India Willoughby was called a woman until he threatened to kidnappad women who disagreed with him on trans issues. Then one of them called him a man. Don't threaten people on the internet, then demand respect.

[@familycorvette]

Poor Mon0. He thinks there's an upside to being a simp.

[@gilbo9576]

The guy says he has empathy for those who suffer, but it's a one sided empathy. He doesn't seem to care at all for women. He doesn't care about the horrific abuses A LOT of women have endured from men. Most men don't know, and most men don't want to know. They only care about the sufferings of their peers. Women just have to endure. Once angain. That's what the society expects from us.

[@stevestephens4106]

It's hard for me to wrap my head around being so damn dense...

[@ScarlettRose7221]

Apparently the guest has no comprehension of “free speech”. This is a prime example of what’s being taught in our educational institutions. Insanely irrational logic.

[@ExpatRiot79]

It's almost painful to watch MonO swim through the soup of his own cloudy thinking.

[@imitationofwoman]

I think what JK Rowling would say is that in the prison population the percentage of men who are sex offenders is around 20%. Male prisoners who identify as women in prison, the percentage is 60%. This is very worrying and needs to be explored. Trans rights activists seek to close-down these important discussions by screaming that people are saying all trans identified males are sex offenders. The conversations should be that we know men are more likely to commit sex offences/be domestic abuse perpetrators so THIS is why we need safe female-only spaces. Seeing as 300 women have been killed by men since Sarah Everads death it is women who are more likely to be victims of these crimes, not men who think they are women.

[@skotski]

"that's what the data shows..." Hmmm...I haven't seen the data, that's interesting" Maybe because there is no such data. And like the phenomenon of gender dysphoria, it comes down to subjective self reporting and fuzzy definitions of sexual assault. If being accurately identified as your biological sex is considered assault, or worse, a hate crime, then I'd imagine there are a lot more trans identifying people claiming it this.

[@branboom3342]

Empathy is being exploited to subvert the very reality in which we live. You can see the interviewer trying to do mental gymnastics because he knows it doesn't make sense but wants to be compassionate. This is a mental health issue that deserves compassion but it does not do anybody any good to lie and say one is whatever one thinks one is in spite of reality.

[@HankD13]

Never knew JK Rowling was a scientist collecting data. She is a women who has every right to have an opinion. Just like everybody else has a right to have an opinion. Not really rocket science.