Analogue Productions SACD Review Genesis "The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway"

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

Don't forget to leave a comment and subscribe to the channel if you don't want to miss my review of the Super Deluxe Edition boxed set coming in late March ! Purchase your copy of the SACD here: store.acousticsounds.com/d/178476/Genesis-The_Lamb_Lies_Down_On_Broadway-Hybrid_Stereo_SACD

[@bryonwine1873]

I was at the 1974 tour in Cleveland, the date Gabriel told the band he was leaving. Sixteen at the time and had no idea what an historic event I was attending. Mind blowing performance capped off with the encore of Musical Box and Watcher of the Skies.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@bryonwine1873 Cleveland ?! Not too far from me currently. Cool story !!!

[@bryonwine1873]

​@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeaboutThanks for the review. I was hoping this reissue had a 5.1 mix.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@ the box coming in late March includes atmos and 5.1.

[@bryonwine1873]

​@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeaboutCool. Thanks for the info.

[@jeffsimon9594]

@@bryonwine1873 I love that anecdote Geddy Lee tells about attending an early Genesis show, then walking out after their set as the headliner (Lou Reed) could not possibly equal it!

[@terrywalker8446]

Hi Ian. TLLDOB is one of my favourite albums, and for my money it still sounds fresh and could have been written and recorded yesterday. Yours is the first review of the SACD version I've seen so thanks for taking the time to offer up your views. As I'm a sucker for multi-channel mixes I've pre-ordered the 4cd/blu ray super deluxe version. I was tempted to purchase the 45rpm 4 album version but realised that having to flip each album over and swap to the next album every 10 minutes would totally impact the flow of the music and ruin the listening experience. The album deserves a spectacular multi-channel mix but given the band's antipathy towards that format I'm expecting to be underwhelmed. Hopefully I'm wrong, but if so, you've convinced me that the SACD version is well worth purchasing👍🏻

[@jg5861]

Thanks for the video about the album that changed my ears forever. Please do the video you mentioned about comparisons! Greetings from Portugal.

[@frisbiet]

On vinyl here and still love the album so much, thank you.

[@MrRubasso]

I discovered this album about 20 days ago and I wonder how it took me 46 to discover it. It's a masterpiece and I fell in love with it immediately. Now I'm looking for the first CD version released in my country in 1992.

[@sean317]

I find the surround sound remix"s box sets from all their albums really good its like hearing the album for the first time

[@progfrogian9226]

The Lamb is also my fav Genesis. I love it all, from start to finish, no filler for me. Love the story and all the images it conjure. My favorite side is side 3. Beautiful piano, guitar and a very nice Gabriel with lots of feeling. The Waiting Room live is killer (lots of great sounding bootlegs of the Lamb tour by the way). I need to dive into SACD I guess 😛. Great video Ian, keep on proggin' 👍

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@@progfrogian9226 I was trying to think of another double album I like the same way I like The Lamb, maybe The Wall is the only relevant example. It has similar pacing too, with a contemplative and quiet side 3.

[@antoniogalianojerez9942]

@progfrogian9226 the lamb is also my fav Genesis, with selling. My favourite side is also side 3 (specialy anyway and the lamia). I haven't had the luck of see them live, but i have seen peter gabriel, phil collins, pink floyd, roger waters, king crimson, marillion, roger hodgson, rem, the waterboys, the cure, the chamelleons, sting, natalie merchant, lana del rey, immaculate fools... good music is one of the best things in life.

[@ChristopherB72]

Yes; please compare the versions of Lamb if you are able. I will be springing for the boxset myself. Great video!

[@styles8007]

Hairless heart is my personal favorite track from the album.

[@CarstenMeyer-dx6mu]

I own the ap 45 Vinyl.., it's great, also heading out for the box😊

[@UdiKoomran]

I think This was the first Genesis album I owned either this or Selling England Bought it in 1974 after hearing In the Cage on the radio ( yes back in the day you could even hear Magma Slapp Happy and Hatfield on the radio) My favorite Genesis

[@RussMcCord]

Great job Ian. The SACD and Boxed Set are too expensive for me. But I'm in for an Atmos stand alone if it ever becomes available. Look forward to hearing your comments on the Atmos mix by Bob MacKenzie.

[@thomaswery3087]

I have all the boxsets from I think they came out in the '90s.All the discs are cd and dvd audio

[@carstenhorn5075]

The box sets which were released in Europe and the UK in 2007-2008 contain all albums on CD and SACD

[@thomaswery3087]

@@carstenhorn5075 thanks time goes by so fast seemed like longer but anyway nice box sets

[@Phlakaton88]

A top 10 all time album. A beastly and amazingly ambitious listen. Live versions were Intense and brought out Phil’s brilliance. I have that late 80s release. Big ugly thick cd case and man is that paper yellowed now. Haha. I will definitely be comparing the new box to that. I never did grab any other versions because friends had complaints over the sound and it scared me. Oh yeah. I wrote a script for this in college. Got an A- haha. Professor was very confused by it all and liked it anyway.

[@jeffsimon9594]

A friend owned that original 'fatboy' double Lamb CD back in the early '90s, from memory it sounded awful compared to my vinyl copy, very mid-range-y with that infamous AC mains hum very noticeable in the background.

[@Phlakaton88]

@jeffsimon9594 I can totally agree with that. I'm so looking forward to a new copy. If I didnt buy so much other music I would have probably got the 2007 one but ... lol. Never happened.

[@twostikks1]

Nice chat, Ian! The Lamb Is probably USUALLY my favorite too. Years ago, after I bought the Definitive ‘94 release and heard the title track butchered with a piano part that FADES IN (“what?? Blasphemy! You bastards! ) I was in search of the best release - but of course the only versions that had a hard start were on vinyl. Anyway, I will enjoy your next lamb video. 🙂 peace!

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@twostikks1 hey Gary ! This master is a cold open on the piano part, so that should make you happy. :-) there’s also a a pricey quadruple vinyl version of this master at 45 rpm.

[@twostikks1]

@ Hmm! I should score the CD!

[@MrRubasso]

I really would like to listen your impressions about different versions of TLLDOB.

[@patbarr1351]

Thanks! It sometimes amazes me how we often hear differently from one another! I bought the Atco *Lamb Lies Down* & it sounded quite good, but a bit noisy, so I replaced it with a Charisma UK copy (a somewhat different album design!) & that was *it* (no pun intended) until CDs appeared. That 1980's 2-disc set you mentioned is the only CD in my entire collection that I couldn't accept. It was obviously made from a safety copy & had a ton of tape hiss so I traded it after a few weeks & kept listening to the LPs (I skipped the "definitive ed"). I now have the Nick Davis mix SACDs (mastered by Tony Cousins) which are terrific. The album didn't really need a stereo remix-- the 2 channel master is excellent-- but the surround mix from the multitrack is quite nice. (John Burns got a great drum sound!) My only complaint is that my copy is Japanese & the story (it's really a multimedia album) is reproduced in tiny print on a mini gatefold.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@patbarr1351 thats the first time I’ve ever seen anyone praise the Davis mixes !

[@patbarr1351]

@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout The 1st group were done for 5.1, which lots of people don't use. (The Atco versions were DVD-video sound, not SACD.) I've heard some people complain that the discs are "too hot" on the CD layer, especially the 1st remixes issued ( *Trick* thru *We Can't Dance* ) but that's down to the mastering. The early Trident LPs are quite murky sounding & Steve H mentioned that, saying that was just the sound Trident had at that time. The remixed *Trespass* is amazing, with those 12-string guitars sounding much clearer & warmer (I have a 1970's UK LP for comparison).

[@boombadoomba14]

Awesome! Anyone know when the Foxtrot reissue is coming out? Love the album, but like you said with all the Lamb reissues, I've never been satisfied.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@boombadoomba14 you mean from Analogue Productions ? I think it could be awhile. They seem to release them on vinyl first and then the cd some months later. APs vinyl edition of “A Trick of the Tail” is out now so I’m guessing that’s next to get the sacd treatment

[@boombadoomba14]

@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout Shame. Might have to preorder it. Don't have an sacd player so the vinyl will be fine.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@ there is a CD layer so if you play it in a conventional cd player it will play fine

[@boombadoomba14]

@ Ah. I'll probably opt for the vinyl nonetheless.

[@John-la-pizza]

If that new mix lets the instruments breathe more and put up front some great stuff buried back then, unfortunately some tracks (literally) on a few songs disappeared and it’s a crying shame! I do miss the staccato flute at the end of the lamia or the « big hits accents » or the wood breaking noise on the colony of slippermen…

[@BobDaniel]

The core trio thing was very evident in concert as well... Hackett and Gabriel would be gone from the stage for extended sections.

[@Larrybabbin1957]

I’ll be interested in your review of the upcoming box set! I’ve never been a big fan of this album but I do need to revisit it!

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

It snuck up on me over the years - I thought it was flawed for a long time but suddenly I realized it’s apparent ‘flaws’ were actually some of its strengths.

[@Nephilim-81]

Hi Ian. I’d love a comparison between the Blu ray audio verses the analogue productions SACD version. Thank you for your video.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@Nephilim-81 make sure you subscribe - it’s the best way to make sure you don’t miss it !

[@Nephilim-81]

I did. 🤝😀 My pleasure, man. The gift of physical media isn’t dead. Boxsets are absolutely incredible these days.

[@Nephilim-81]

Like me. You must be so excited for the 50th Anniversary boxset coming out in a couple of months for the Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. ❤

[@ricknorris1466]

The remixes are a totally different beast. The levels of the Instruments and Vocals are noticeably different but the biggest and most controversial change is the Backing Vocals that were not present or mixed way back are now way up in the Mix. The other thing I noticed on this Remix and the Selling England Remix is the de-Rickenbackering of Rutherfords Bass. The notorious growl that the Rick produces is tampered back. When he stopped using the Rick Bass he did abandon that style of tone. The Remix makes me wonder if the change was intentional. The 5 Band Members were very involved in the Remix projects and some interesting changes were made. On Nursery Crime Harlequin merges into The Fountain Of Salmacis which it did not on the original Mix. IMHO a Remix should be used to gain the best possible clarity while making it as close to the Original Mix as humanly possible. I do think that 5.1 Mixes are the perfect opportunity to take Artistic Liberties. The 5.1 Mix of The Lamb is a dramatic experience where the Vocals that you never heard before come popping out from a rear left speaker and the Fly from the windshield goes buzzing around the room etc… I know your post here isn’t about the Remixes but my main frustration is the constant reworking of these great Albums and what eventually becomes the go to version. It’s quite a mess. As Tommy Lee Jones says in Men In Black about the latest Audio Technology “I guess I’ll have to buy The White Album AGAIN”. I don’t know about everyone else but I just can’t afford to keep up with it all.

[@jandekker6055]

How does this compare to the version in the 2008 1970-75 multi album boxset?

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@jandekker6055 that version is a remix, this is a newly mastered version from the original tapes by Chris Bellman.

[@ignatzmuskrat3000]

Can you hear the nylon guitar doubling the keys, and the balloon pop on Slipperman?

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@ignatzmuskrat3000 balloon pop is present on Slippermen ! I’ll have to listen closely for that nylon part

[@ignatzmuskrat3000]

@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout thx! It isn't there on the Davis remix!

[@paulatB2B]

Trio Genesis appears in the second part of Cinema Show so that predates the Lamb.

[@Darrin.Crawford]

The new version is the original mix and not the 2007 remix. The concert is taken from the original FM broadcast tapes.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@Darrin.Crawford you’re right about the new version being the original mix, but there’s also a new atmos and stereo mix to consider, which I fear will be close to the 2007 in spirit. I have a feeling the concert will include the overdubs. Have you read somewhere that it won’t ? Thanks !

[@Darrin.Crawford]

@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout Just a little inside. The show from the Archive box was from Mike Rutherford's tapes in which as you know the tape ran out. This show will be from the original FM broadcasts. I was going to buy the AP on vinyl but once I found out that the new box is the original I chose the box. The Atmos and Hi Rez new mixes will be based on the OG and will not be the 2007 remixes. Hope you're looking forward to it as much as I.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@ wow ! That’s great news. I see you interviewed Tony so I assume that’s your source. Thank you.

[@diggr13]

Since the live version was released, I no longer actually listen to the studio version. The live version is a much more satisfying listen.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@diggr13 interesting

[@kschulwitz]

Is this SACD the original mix or the 2007 remix?

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@kschulwitz original mix

[@kschulwitz]

@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout Thanks. BTW some of the 2007 mixed songs I do like, others not at all.

[@robbills9584]

Unfortunately it’s $A134 on Amazon here Down Under! 😡I would ❤️ these new Analogue SACD releases, BUT they are way too expensive. Very disappointing. 😎

[@SpaceCattttt]

It sounds to me as if you're perhaps more of a Lamb fan rather than a Genesis fan? I mean, a Genesis fan wouldn't hesitate to double-dip or to buy however many versions there are of ANY Genesis album.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@SpaceCattttt not the case, actually ! The Lamb is the one I perhaps have the most nostalgic love for, but Selling England by the Pound, Trick of the Tail, Wind and Wuthering, Duke, Foxtrot, even And Then There Were Three are albums I have a lot of love for. I’m probably kidding myself saying I wouldn’t double dip for half a dozen others. :-)

[@SpaceCattttt]

@@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout Well, all right. But don't ignore the 80s albums. People dismiss them as commercial pop stuff, but I find them just as progressive as anything else they ever did. If anything, I'd say that those pop albums showed that it's possible to make prog rock appealing to the masses. It's not easy, but when it's done right, the result speaks for itself.

[@ShedSoundsMediawithIanBeabout]

@@SpaceCattttt I have explored as far as Abacab - which is an album I like a lot, and I’m big on the 3 Sides Live album and Bluray which I showed in my review when talking about the core trio Genesis. S/t is on the list for an sacd release from AP so I’ll get it when available.